Muslim boy, 10, quizzed by police after mistakenly writing a T . word

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/20/08/2BF1AB7C00000578-3407915-image-a-2_1453278958851.jpg

The youngster made the error while at school in Accrington, Lancashire
Police then arrived at his home the following day to question the boy
Officers also examined the family laptop as part of their formal inquiries
Teachers now have a statutory duty to guard youngsters from terrorism
Do you know the boy's family?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3407915/Muslim-boy-writes-lives-terrorist-house-accident-quizzed-police.html#ixzz3xmYw8P5m

No DM I do not know his parents


And Lad
learn to write better


"mistakenly writing that
he lived in a 'terrorist house' rather than
a 'terraced house'."

-C
for that
do better

[hbk4894]

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-01-20/10-year-old-boys-terrorist-house-spelling-error-sees-him-interviewed-by-police/

[Niamh.]

why did you put this in Chat and Games? :/ I'm not merging it with the other thread because the other one is in the correct section

[James]

I just merged it. :blush: (the two threads)

But it is in Serious Debates now.

[Niamh.]

:fist:

[Marsh.]

:joker:

[arista]

I just merged it. :blush: (the two threads)

But it is in Serious Debates now.


Yes I thought due the lad
being young,
chuck him in Chat and Games.

But you are right James
this is the place I should have posted it,
sorry.

[arista]

why did you put this in Chat and Games? :/ I'm not merging it with the other thread because the other one is in the correct section


Sorry my bad view on youngers.


James Corrected me.

[Ammi]

"mistakenly writing that
he lived in a 'terrorist house' rather than
a 'terraced house'."





..yeah, school staff do have a duty of care and safeguarding and part of that now is radicalisation but an incorrect spelling mistake, that was reported as being the only thing ..?...there would have to be changes in a child's personality/moods/attention etc and so much more than that...it seems quite alarmist and silly to me and to put a child through police questioning for just that and only that as well..?..wow....

[lostalex]

so it's in serious debates now... what are we debating?

everyone agrees that the cops did a good job of investigating, right?

[Niamh.]

so it's in serious debates now... what are we debating?

everyone agrees that the cops did a good job of investigating, right?

Serious Debates and News Alex

[lostalex]

Serious Debates and News Alex

indeed.

I think we should make it Serious debates and News and Porn... just a suggestion

[arista]

"mistakenly writing that
he lived in a 'terrorist house' rather than
a 'terraced house'."





..yeah, school staff do have
a duty of care and safeguarding
and part of that now
is radicalisation but an
incorrect spelling mistake,
that was reported as being
the only thing ..?...there would
have to be changes in a
child's personality/moods/attention etc
and so much more than that...it seems
quite alarmist and silly to me
and to put a child through police questioning
for just that and only that as well..?..wow....


Ammi it made a nice change for the Lad
to see a Big Policeman visit.

It was a Error
maybe the Head Teacher
needs to get all facts before a Panic




Keep the lad off the Papers
after this
no need to make this go on FoxNewsHD
is there , Ammi.

[Cherie]

"mistakenly writing that
he lived in a 'terrorist house' rather than
a 'terraced house'."





..yeah, school staff do have a duty of care and safeguarding and part of that now is radicalisation but an incorrect spelling mistake, that was reported as being the only thing ..?...there would have to be changes in a child's personality/moods/attention etc and so much more than that...it seems quite alarmist and silly to me and to put a child through police questioning for just that and only that as well..?..wow....


Did you have to sit through that awfully made "prevent video" Ammi

[Ammi]

Ammi it made a nice change for the Lad
to see a Big Policeman visit.

It was a Error
maybe the Head Teacher
needs to get all facts before a Panic




Keep the lad off the Papers
after this
no need to make this go on FoxNewsHD
is there , Ammi.

..it's not an error that should ever have been mad by a head-teacher though..I'm not Muslim so if one of my children were that age now, 10yrs old and had made that spelling error an there had been nothing else in their behaviour to cause concern, would they have been questioned by the police../it's not only Muslims that are radicalised as we know...this is not a situation that is 'best to be safe than sorry', there really has to be a cause for concern because of multiple reasons, not something like spelling mistakes...and maybe it's right that his parents/family now are highlighting these alarmist type incidents if they're happening...and yes indeed, get facts and don't panic over something so silly and something that children do every day...

Did you have to sit through that awfully made "prevent video" Ammi

...hahhhh, yeah quite a while ago with our safeguarding Cherie ..but we have more in depth stuff now/training...if you haven't done it already or are booked to, you probably will be soon...

[arista]

"yeah quite a while ago with our safeguarding Cherie ..but we have more in depth stuff now/training...if you haven't done it already or are booked to, you probably will be soon.."


Its all Positive in these
Troubled Times

Keep up the good work you 2 Pro Workers

[Ammi]

..yeah, Cherie and I are onto the spelling errors, no worries Arista...when they write..my birthday is in two days, we've clocked that is bit straight away....

[joeysteele]

"mistakenly writing that
he lived in a 'terrorist house' rather than
a 'terraced house'."





..yeah, school staff do have a duty of care and safeguarding and part of that now is radicalisation but an incorrect spelling mistake, that was reported as being the only thing ..?...there would have to be changes in a child's personality/moods/attention etc and so much more than that...it seems quite alarmist and silly to me and to put a child through police questioning for just that and only that as well..?..wow....

This for me, it seems rather extreme.

[bots]

While it may seem extreme, once written, the teacher has a dilemma ... what if the kid does live in a terrorist house, i do nothing and there is an event. In those circumstances, I can see the wish for responsibility to be offloaded to the police.

[Cherie]

While it may seem extreme, once written, the teacher has a dilemma ... what if the kid does live in a terrorist house, i do nothing and there is an event. In those circumstances, I can see the wish for responsibility to be offloaded to the police.

I agree it's a no win situation for the staff involved, it may seem over the top but it is a "hot subject" in schools and Colleges at the moment so would be hard to ignore

[Vicky.]

While it may seem extreme, once written, the teacher has a dilemma ... what if the kid does live in a terrorist house, i do nothing and there is an event. In those circumstances, I can see the wish for responsibility to be offloaded to the police.

Yeah totally. If it is ignored and then there is issues...the teacher would be in the wrong, everyone would be in the wrong. But something does get investigated, and the same people are still in the wrong. Sometimes, one really cannot win.

[Northern Monkey]

Ah but what if the kid was actually confessing that his parents are actually terrorists and it was'nt a spelling mistake?You never can be too careful.

[Ammi]

..but would the same have happened, had it not been a Muslim child/family though...and I'm presuming only that one thing and no causes for concern within the family because these things will be a combination and build up, not just one spelling error out of the blue...radicalisation in children will not necessarily be about their culture, it'll be a child who is susceptible for many reasons...maybe neglectful parenting and being exposed to online things and not having many friendships/much confidence/low self esteem etc...a teacher may show it to a Head, but for acted on as only that thing by the Head seems very alarmist to me because school staff know the child...there has to be something more to this story, surely....

[joeysteele]

..but would the same have happened, had it not been a Muslim child/family though...and I'm presuming only that one thing and no causes for concern within the family because these things will be a combination and build up, not just one spelling error out of the blue...radicalisation in children will not necessarily be about their culture, it'll be a child who is susceptible for many reasons...maybe neglectful parenting and being exposed to online things and not having many friendships/much confidence/low self esteem etc...a teacher may show it to a Head, but for acted on as only that thing by the Head seems very alarmist to me because school staff know the child...there has to be something more to this story, surely....

... and therein lies the real crucial point to this for me.

[Northern Monkey]

The crucial point is that it is Muslims who are being radicalised....

[Ammi]

..no it really isn't though, it's all vulnerable children and many children, no matter what their culture or religion if they have any at all are vulnerable through circumstances and are looking desperately to either 'escape', 'be understood' or to 'belong' and feel some self worth...

[Ammi]

..anyways, I do think that there may possibly be more to this story than we know...

[arista]

This for me, it seems rather extreme.


Excuse Me...

There is 2 Top Teachers on this thread
its for them to say if its Extreme.

Those Girls that went to Syria (a few months back, London School )
to be Sex Slaves or Terrorists
slipped right past all the Teachers.

Its a very Tricky area, joey

I am sure a Big Copper going in
was not to bad,
not like he arrested anyone.

[Livia]

If no one had paid attention to this and it turned out to be true, people would be calling for someone's head.

This had to be followed up. Not nice for a ten year old, but we live in dangerous times.

[arista]

If no one had paid attention to this and it turned out to be true, people would be calling for someone's head.

This had to be followed up. Not nice for a ten year old, but we live in dangerous times.


Yes Livia ,
they would have tracked the Teacher
and dragged her in to a School Enquirer

[arista]

..anyways, I do think that there may possibly be more to this story than we know...


It was on GMBHD and SkyNewsHD TV news
its a error
that got the new policy in action.


I mean this could be on QT BBC1
tomorrow

[joeysteele]

If no one had paid attention to this and it turned out to be true, people would be calling for someone's head.

This had to be followed up. Not nice for a ten year old, but we live in dangerous times.

I can see that very valid point too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

How sad that any 10 year old boy woukd be described as muslim.

[Kizzy]

If the teacher had asked the lad to read back what he'd written wouldn't it have saved any issue?

[kirklancaster]

:fist:

:laugh: I don't know quite why you make me smile Niamh but you often do. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

If no one had paid attention to this and it turned out to be true, people would be calling for someone's head.

This had to be followed up. Not nice for a ten year old, but we live in dangerous times.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: It NEEDED to be investigated.

[kirklancaster]

Excuse Me...

There is 2 Top Teachers on this thread
its for them to say if its Extreme.

Those Girls that went to Syria (a few months back, London School )
to be Sex Slaves or Terrorists
slipped right past all the Teachers.

Its a very Tricky area, joey

I am sure a Big Copper going in
was not to bad,
not like he arrested anyone.

True - And there have been children as young as him wielding guns and knives in ISIS videos. It NEEDED investigating.

[Ammi]

..I really can't see that it did need to be investigated in the way that it was though....


'Since last July teachers have been legally obliged to report any suspected extremist behaviour to police as part of the Government's Prevent anti-radicalisation strategy'...so with a 10yr old, mistaking terraced for terrorist is extreme terrorist behaviour, just that/nothing else but that one word would say 'extreme terrorist possibility' to someone...?...


Schools are expected to assess the risk of children being drawn into terrorism...so if the family were no cause for concern previously..(and it would seem not because nothing has been found to be a cause of concern by the police..)...then where was the assessment first, other than that one misspelled word, before the police were called....?....


...the police went to the family home/invaded their privacy by looking through the private laptop, would a white Christian family ever accept that or feel it was ok to do...would they say, well you have to be careful, don't you..I completely understand or would they say...em, excuse me, my child made a spelling error, has no record of any changing behaviour otherwise, do we look like terrorists to you ..?...it's that assumption that it was ok to do because this was a Muslim family and Muslim+mispelled word=possible terrorism...

[Kizzy]

It's a joke, one simple question to the kid would have prevented such a waste of time :/

[joeysteele]

..I really can't see that it did need to be investigated in the way that it was though....


'Since last July teachers have been legally obliged to report any suspected extremist behaviour to police as part of the Government's Prevent anti-radicalisation strategy'...so with a 10yr old, mistaking terraced for terrorist is extreme terrorist behaviour, just that/nothing else but that one word would say 'extreme terrorist possibility' to someone...?...


Schools are expected to assess the risk of children being drawn into terrorism...so if the family were no cause for concern previously..(and it would seem not because nothing has been found to be a cause of concern by the police..)...then where was the assessment first, other than that one misspelled word, before the police were called....?....


...the police went to the family home/invaded their privacy by looking through the private laptop, would a white Christian family ever accept that or feel it was ok to do...would they say, well you have to be careful, don't you..I completely understand or would they say...em, excuse me, my child made a spelling error, has no record of any changing behaviour otherwise, do we look like terrorists to you ..?...it's that assumption that it was ok to do because this was a Muslim family and Muslim+mispelled word=possible terrorism...



Really strong point, I can get to a point what others are saying too but I think you have raised very strong and undeniable strong points at that.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/1/20/442227/default/v1/metro-1-992x558.jpg

[kirklancaster]

I really do not think, that given the sad reality of the world we are living in now, that anyone has done anything wrong in the chain of events leading up to this incident.

Hindsight, is truly, the most wonderful thing, and also one of the most useless - if the mistakes of the past are not learnt from.

Who can forget that the Police Authorities HAD Fred and Rose West and Peter Sutcliffe (among other Serial Killers) in their clutches several times but failed - for one reason or another - to 'join the dots', thereby allowing these killers to murder more innocents.

It is the same with MOST of the terrorists who have caused so much carnage in the UK, France, the USA, and other countries, who were not only Muslim, but Muslim Extremists who were 'Flagged Up' or even detained and questioned by those country's, or other country's Intelligence Services prior to them committing their atrocities, but who - for some reason or other - were released and had their security risk status downgraded, leaving them free to commit their terrorist atrocities.

So we HAVE to LEARN from classic and tragic precedents such as these, and when even a 10 year old child writes that he lives in a "terrorist house", it CANNOT be ignored by any responsible adult - ESPECIALLY when that child is a Muslim.

Yes - it is sad that this is the status quo, but it is a fact that the one terrorist organisation currently causing 99% of the carnage and atrocities in the world is ISIS or DAESH, who PURPORT to be MUSLIM.

It is also a fact, that MOST of the ISIS or DAESH terrorists causing 99% of the carnage and atrocities within WESTERN Countries, are domiciled within those Countries and living quite ordinary, suburban lives in quite ordinary suburban households.

It is also another fact, that children in quite ordinary surburban households sometimes paraphrase what they have overheard their parents or other adults within their households talking about, and as the word 'Terrorist' is not one which we should reasonably expect to be in the vernacular of the average 10 year old, then the teachers and others were absolutely correct in reacting as they did to these 'triggers' - 'Muslim' household and 'Terrorist'.

It should not matter if a thousand such incidents are investigated and turn out to be 'false alarms' because it is through being vigilant and treating this terrorist threat with the gravity it deserves, that we can stay 'one step ahead' of them, and if such vigilance does, just one time, result in covert Jihadists domiciled here being caught BEFORE they have had time to murder and maim innocent people, then these responsible adults will be applauded.

Much has been rightfully written about how the majority of UK domiciled Muslims are decent, peaceful, responsible citizens, so the parents and families of this 10 year old should accept with good grace that the authorities are acting in the best interests of all of us - no matter how draconian or OTT such action may first appear.

We read the headlines when Lee Rigby is slaughtered in cold blood, or the Paris atrocities occur and we react with shock, horror and sympathy - But do we REALLY understand the heartbreak and grief of the families and close friends? Though we can sympathise and empathise, REAL grief - like pain - is incummunicable, and that pain and grief and heartbreak must be magnified a thousandfold when such a tragic loss COULD have been PREVENTED by timely reaction to intelligence and proper investigation.

So if just ONE innocent person is spared injury or death by adults reacting responsibly as they did here, then YES, in my opinion, it IS better to be safe than SORRY.

As for the suggestion by someone that it is some kind of 'joke' and 'a waste of time' which 'could have been prevented by a simple question to the kid', I ask; having committed a 'faux pas', is a 10 year old then not capable of realising his mistake and LYING to cover it up?

We should NOT accept then the words of a 10 year old when he makes a certain statement, but should absolutely ACCEPT his words that he made a mistake in writing that statement?

Some 10 year olds are more than capable of deceit and guile - ask the police officers who questioned Thompson and Venables.

[user104658]

Ah but what if the kid was actually confessing that his parents are actually terrorists and it was'nt a spelling mistake?You never can be too careful.

Because terrorists don't refer to THEMSELVES as terrorists ffs. http://sfmail.za.net/img/1/skleroz.gif

They call themselves freedom fighters, or jihadists, holy warriors, whatever...

"O yeh derp I come from a terrorist house where we do terror stuff lol."

[user104658]

it IS better to be safe than SORRY.

:suspect: Mods, someone note down this man's IP address and inform the authorities.

Why would he capitalise this word specifically, if not to covertly hint to us of his involvement with extremists? I for one can't think of any reason, and in this day and age you can't be too safe.

[user104658]

...the police went to the family home/invaded their privacy by looking through the private laptop, would a white Christian family ever accept that or feel it was ok to do...would they say, well you have to be careful, don't you..I completely understand or would they say...em, excuse me, my child made a spelling error, has no record of any changing behaviour otherwise, do we look like terrorists to you ..?...it's that assumption that it was ok to do because this was a Muslim family and Muslim+mispelled word=possible terrorism...

I would utterly lose my **** with them. I didn't even like Health Visitors coming in when my kids were babies, with both kids it didn't last long because we made it clear that we didn't need (or want) government workers poking around in our family life.

I can only imagine that if I was the "wrong race" I'd end up on some sort of watch list, because people would of course think "if he had nothing to hide, he wouldn't mind the state snooping about his stuff". Well, no. I don't have anything to hide. I just value my privacy and don't want to feel Big Bro breathing down my neck constantly. Of course that's OK for me, because I have a "white British" surname... it's obviously not OK if you have a Johnny Foreigner one.

[arista]

Ammi posted :
"the police went to the family home/invaded their privacy by looking through the private laptop"



The Police have a job to do.
Teachers must keep up ,
with the New Updates.

Laws are changing all the time



Its not Easy for any teacher, I agree.


Life In The City

[Northern Monkey]

:suspect: Mods, someone note down this man's IP address and inform the authorities.

Why would he capitalise this word specifically, if not to covertly hint to us of his involvement with extremists? I for one can't think of any reason, and in this day and age you can't be too safe.

:joker:

[bots]

Because terrorists don't refer to THEMSELVES as terrorists ffs. http://sfmail.za.net/img/1/skleroz.gif

They call themselves freedom fighters, or jihadists, holy warriors, whatever...

"O yeh derp I come from a terrorist house where we do terror stuff lol."

yes, but a kid could easily associate terrorist with guns and stuff if he saw them lying about the house. You are putting an adult mind into a child

[Niamh.]

:suspect: Mods, someone note down this man's IP address and inform the authorities.

Why would he capitalise this word specifically, if not to covertly hint to us of his involvement with extremists? I for one can't think of any reason, and in this day and age you can't be too safe.

:laugh:

[user104658]

yes, but a kid could easily associate terrorist with guns and stuff if he saw them lying about the house. You are putting an adult mind into a child
He's ten, not five... You're putting an infant mind into a pre-teen.

[Tom4784]

It's complete foolishness that this situation wasn't clarified before they called the called the police. It's shocking that the school hasn't even apologised to the family for their lowkey racism.

[arista]

It's complete foolishness that this situation wasn't clarified before they called the called the police. It's shocking that the school hasn't even apologised to the family for their lowkey racism.


Yes its tricky T word
both are - houses


Its a New Policy
at schools now
Ammi has the update

[lostalex]

they always tell children to confide in their teachers and counselors... but when he does he's pressured by family into saying he lied. this happens all the time to children that speak up.

[arista]

they always tell children to confide in their teachers and counselors... but when he does he's pressured by family into saying he lied. this happens all the time to children that speak up.


This was T.
error

It looked bad,

No one got beat up
Teachers followed new data
Police did their job.

[lostalex]

This was T.
error

It looked bad,

No one got beat up
Teachers followed new data
Police did their job.

according to the authorities it was not a mistake, the child was reaching out for help. now he's being bullied into silence... echoes of jimmy saville.

[kirklancaster]

:suspect: Mods, someone note down this man's IP address and inform the authorities.

Why would he capitalise this word specifically, if not to covertly hint to us of his involvement with extremists? I for one can't think of any reason, and in this day and age you can't be too safe.

:laugh: LOL - Just seen this you nutter.

[DemolitionRed]

Teachers are not part of the secret service.
Just as a doctor joins medicine to heal the sick, a teacher joins education to educate. Whilst I believe its crucial for a teacher or a doctor to pass on information that has aroused their suspicions on abuse issues and crime, to have a school teacher afraid of open discussion on certain subjects and to expect that teacher to spy on her pupils is a sad state of affairs.

The teacher who reported this, did so because she feared the repercussions of not sticking to the rule book. She could of even faced prosecution and so like it or not, she probably felt she had no choice.

Anyway, the story has been taken down for investigation, so I'm not sure what's going on.

[Kizzy]

Maybe it's all more anti Muslim hogwash?...

[DemolitionRed]

Maybe it's all more anti Muslim hogwash?...

I only read it in the Guardian Kizzy. Was it in other papers too?

[Ammi]

..the thing is though, that not the same action is taken when it comes to other things and when a child or family is really desperately in need of outside/social care help...there is no help at all or very little when there really is a huge cause for concern with a child and concern that does have many aspects of it, not just an incorrectly spelled word or one incident which would be an easy mistake for a 10yr old to make..as TS, I think it was who said, it's something that would not probably present itself like that anyway..I 'live in a terrorist house', 'I am a terrorist' etc...we're just a very small school in comparison to many town or city schools who must have many, many more families and children who really do need care and are screaming for help... but we have children with behaviour/violence issues, consistent and persistent ones and children trying to hurt people, really, really seriously hurt them but we're told almost daily that there is no help for that child/that family available and the thing to do is to actually wait until they do hurt someone, until that awful thing does happen...because it 'all seems to be under control'....and young people/young teenagers trying to harm themselves but no help there either because 'it's a phase that teenagers go through'....a great focus it seems on possible radicalisation and of course if it's a Muslim child/family it has to be investigated and with no time to waste because we can't be too careful can we...but nothing...nothing..?...in any other area, or very, very little at all...

[arista]

Teachers are not part of the secret service.
Just as a doctor joins medicine to heal the sick, a teacher joins education to educate. Whilst I believe its crucial for a teacher or a doctor to pass on information that has aroused their suspicions on abuse issues and crime, to have a school teacher afraid of open discussion on certain subjects and to expect that teacher to spy on her pupils is a sad state of affairs.

The teacher who reported this, did so because she feared the repercussions of not sticking to the rule book. She could of even faced prosecution and so like it or not, she probably felt she had no choice.

Anyway, the story has been taken down for investigation, so I'm not sure what's going on.


Yes DR
Ammi is not
she does her job well

[arista]

according to the authorities it was not a mistake, the child was reaching out for help. now he's being bullied into silence... echoes of jimmy saville.


Do You have a UK link for that?

[lostalex]

Do You have a UK link for that?

it read it on daily mail or guardian forget which, but those are the only 2 uk news sites i read so must have been one of them.

[Kizzy]

it read it on daily mail or guardian forget which, but those are the only 2 uk news sites i read so must have been one of them.

I suggest dropping the mail for the Independent Alex.

[DemolitionRed]

..the thing is though, that not the same action is taken when it comes to other things and when a child or family is really desperately in need of outside/social care help...there is no help at all or very little when there really is a huge cause for concern with a child and concern that does have many aspects of it, not just an incorrectly spelled word or one incident which would be an easy mistake for a 10yr old to make..as TS, I think it was who said, it's something that would not probably present itself like that anyway..I 'live in a terrorist house', 'I am a terrorist' etc...we're just a very small school in comparison to many town or city schools who must have many, many more families and children who really do need care and are screaming for help... but we have children with behaviour/violence issues, consistent and persistent ones and children trying to hurt people, really, really seriously hurt them but we're told almost daily that there is no help for that child/that family available and the thing to do is to actually wait until they do hurt someone, until that awful thing does happen...because it 'all seems to be under control'....and young people/young teenagers trying to harm themselves but no help there either because 'it's a phase that teenagers go through'....a great focus it seems on possible radicalisation and of course if it's a Muslim child/family it has to be investigated and with no time to waste because we can't be too careful can we...but nothing...nothing..?...in any other area, or very, very little at all...

This is so depressing.