Dead father and his mothers illness

[GiRTh]

Didnt make John cry but Gemma did? WTF That is cold. To bring it up in a petty BB task is brutal. The mans got ice water running thru his veins.

[cassieparis]

Do you think he likes his parents?

I don't get the stoicism in such tragic circumstances.
If Tiffany said the same I'm sure some of the F/Ms would arrange for the Klan to greet her on exit.

[Daniel-X]

It was done to clearly try and paint Gemma as some evil cold hearted bastard and win over the public. He's very calculated and knows what he is doing.

[MB.]

Do you think he likes his parents?

I don't get the stoicism in such tragic circumstances.
If Tiffany said the same I'm sure some of the F/Ms would arrange for the Klan to greet her on exit.

He's going on the show to fund his mum's care, so he must care a lot about her... just not enough not to use her to score cheap points in a fun task

[smudgie]

You get to a certain age and you learn to keep it all in, he may not have cried at his dad's funeral but he may have wept in private, silent tears run very deep.:shrug:

[Kazanne]

Boy ,he has Collins card marked and thank fcuk somebody does.

[MrWong]

Pretty crass to use something like that in his nomination on a game show.

[joeysteele]

You get to a certain age and you learn to keep it all in, he may not have cried at his dad's funeral but he may have wept in private, silent tears run very deep.:shrug:

This, every word is so true. Well mentioned smudgie.
My Mum and Dad didn't cry at my Mums mothers funeral but have many times in private as you point out.

[hot2go]

Even though, he didn't cry at his fathers funeral or through his mothers illness. WTF That is cold. Then to bring it up in a petty BB task is brutal. The mans got ice water running thru his veins.

Could not disagree with you more ...totally wrong

Cold is that bone idle human garbage disposal unit ......she's so slutty, one of the most slutty women that's ever been in there...not in the sexual way.... in the lazy, gluttony, wanton slutty way...she's text book...

Such an arrogant slob .....deserves the blizzard of misery and uhappiness she's made for herself...

A f-ckin abomination

[Marsh.]

Dead father?

Didn't nasty Nick try that game? :think:

[hot2go]

He quit Eastenders and gave up his personal life to care for his mom full time when she became ill....so you're judging on his loyalty as a son is completely totally wrong

[GiRTh]

John not crying is not the issue. To bring it up twice in such a petty environment, for the purpose of scoring points, was as low as I've seen anyone go for a long time on BB.

[Kazanne]

Dead father?

Didn't nasty Nick try that game? :think:

Totally different scenario,NN said his wife died in a car crash it was found to be made up

[MB.]

This, every word is so true. Well mentioned smudgie.
My Mum and Dad didn't cry at my Mums mothers funeral but has many times in private as you point out.

...but why would he feel the need to mention that?

[Kazanne]

John not crying is not the issue. To bring it up twice in such a petty environment, for the purpose of scoring points, was as low as I've seen anyone go for a long time on BB.

I don't care how low people think it is, he got his point across beautifully:smug:

[Marsh.]

Totally different scenario,NN said his wife died in a car crash it was found to be made up

Exactly. It was all a big fat lie to win favour. :suspect: I'm on to him.

[Kazanne]

...but why would he feel the need to mention that?

he was probably feeling so pissed off that is how he felt,he is penned in there we are not

[GiRTh]

I don't care how low people think it is, he got his point across beautifully:smug:I'd hardly say he made his point beautifully but he did show us the kind of man he is.

[hot2go]

Run along Tiffany....Run along Christopher...The Moose wants her ladies in waiting .....idiots

[Kazanne]

Exactly. It was all a big fat lie to win favour. :suspect: I'm on to him.

Who? Nasty Nick?:laugh:

[joeysteele]

...but why would he feel the need to mention that?

To get at Gemma probably, however in my view justified, she showed one thing in return, a very hard heart herself in my view.

Sorry, I liked her at the start but not now and in my view he is right, she does load guns then retire to watch others let fly with them at times.

[cassieparis]

I don't care how low people think it is, he got his point across beautifully:smug:

:shrug: But it's deeply manipulative and obviously so if it's true

[Kazanne]

I'd hardly say he made his point beautifully but he did show us the kind of man he is.

For a certain few ,I suppose it fitted:smug:

[Marsh.]

Who? Nasty Nick?:laugh:

Jihadi John :smug:

[Kazanne]

:shrug: But it's deeply manipulative and obviously so if it's true

Why do people make out whatever John says is some terrible crime:shrug:

[Kazanne]

Jihadi John :smug:

Put the cork back in the bottle marsh :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Put the cork back in the bottle marsh :laugh:

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[hot2go]

What do Tiffany fans think about Gemmas new bitch ? I must admit she sure looks fine when she carries Gemmas sh-t for her....just got that touch of finess that Bell Boy Chris hasn't quite got....but she's not reached his status of servitude just yet,,,,she's gonna have to learn how to smear fake tan on the Mooses family allowance before she gets to those dizzy heights of submission

[MrWong]

What do Tiffany fans think about Gemmas new bitch ? I must admit she sure looks fine when she carries Gemmas sh-t for her....just got that touch of finess that Bell Boy Chris hasn't quite got....but she's not reached his status of servitude just yet,,,,she's gonna have to learn how to smear fake tan on the Mooses family allowance before she gets to those dizzy heights of submission

Deflection because there's no defence of John's crass nomination?

[susie q]

I dont know what his father died off, but I do identify with what he said about his mothers illness, which sound as if it is quite advanced. My mother had Alzheimers disease before she died. It is an awful disease that takes away every trace of the person that you once knew and loved. The mother that I loved "died" mentally about 3 years before her physical death. My family did our mourning then, when she actually died it was a release for both her & us. The fact that he put his career on hold to care for as long as he could makes him worthy of some credit. I think he was just using his experience to demonstrate how vile Gemma has been to him & other housemates, which he did very well.

[Samm]

He's a vile individual

[Tom4784]

God he's an awful human being.

[hot2go]

He nominated the two biggest idiots in the house ,,,,,well done Johnny Boy

[hot2go]

Deflection because there's no defence of John's crass nomination?

I'm sure your absolutely right ....what possible reason would I have to doubt you

[Kazanne]

I dont know what his father died off, but I do identify with what he said about his mothers illness, which sound as if it is quite advanced. My mother had Alzheimers disease before she died. It is an awful disease that takes away every trace of the person that you once knew and loved. The mother that I loved "died" mentally about 3 years before her physical death. My family did our mourning then, when she actually died it was a release for both her & us. The fact that he put his career on hold to care for as long as he could makes him worthy of some credit. I think he was just using his experience to demonstrate how vile Gemma has been to him & other housemates, which he did very well.

Exactly Susie,it's not rocket science to workout why he said it really,that is of course if you are fair minded.

[the truth]

john is allright, he cares for his mother that's good enough for me

[rionablue]

I cant stand Gemma but I thought that John could have used other examples of times he may have cried and didn't than his Dad dying and his Mum getting sick. THAT WAS WRONG to the extreme. He could have said Gemma you brought me to tears and that is something very few people have ever done. I don't respect him talking about his parents that way. No matter how much he wanted to put his point across he SHOULD NOT have mentioned it. I cried for weeks when my Dad died and had to get counselling to cope as he died suddenly. Different people react differently and many people hold things in but what John said tonight doesn't endear him to anyone like me who's bottom fell out of their world the day a parent dies.

[hot2go]

John says the right things in the wrong ways sometimes....but it's what people do that counts and not what they say....each thing he does comes from a good place ....the intentions are good....this is not a bad person ....I think Darren is rinsing it for all its worth....they had a man to man about it and put it to bed, that was genuine from John but clearly not from Darren....and as for that other old trout, nothing she says is genuine and everything she says is always personal.....I'm frustrated with some of em tonight ....it's like they're all scared of Gemma.....it's amazing

[Dollface]

I cant stand Gemma but I thought that John could have used other examples of times he may have cried and didn't than his Dad dying and his Mum getting sick. THAT WAS WRONG to the extreme. He could have said Gemma you brought me to tears and that is something very few people have ever done. I don't respect him talking about his parents that way. No matter how much he wanted to put his point across he SHOULD NOT have mentioned it. I cried for weeks when my Dad died and had to get counselling to cope as he died suddenly. Different people react differently and many people hold things in but what John said tonight doesn't endear him to anyone like me who's bottom fell out of their world the day a parent dies.

Nicely said Riona.

[jet]

Has John no self respect? I would never in a million years have admitted to Gemma that she made me cry. Never! WTH was he thinking...:shocked:

[RodHull]

Totally different scenario,NN said his wife died in a car crash it was found to be made up

Oh the good old days

'Your playing a very dirty game Nick'

[Ammi]

..wow, what a cruel, cold-hearted thing to say to someone..I didn't cry when my father died and I didn't cry through my mother's illness but YOU made me cry...that really did reach the lowest low...it could be said that says more about him than it does her..(and she's pretty darn grim as well..)...his emotions are all about him..me, me, me, don't you dare make me unhappy...self-centred...but really he didn't cry for his parents/when his dad dies/when his mum became ill etc so maybe, just maybe he's so very much needed that cry, that release of emotions that being in the BB house has given...so not really a bad thing, the crying in itself bursting to come out..ok, the trigger to it may not be the best and has made him feel miserable but it may still have been a trigger that was so needed....it's not just that though, it's the whole irony of what he so cruelly said...YOU MADE ME CRY, THAT'S HOW AWFUL YOU ARE....well, you would only say something as cruel as that if you wanted to really, really upset someone, if you wanted to project something that you feel back on them out of spite..so basically to try and make them cry...she didn't cry, well she hasn't atm...but that's what something like that was designed to do....she's grim, he's grim, they're as grim as each other and as me, me, me as each other....and not really seeing that the house/being in the house could be something that they could take positives from, releases that they both may need...

[Ammi]

..he made me annoyed....

[jennyjuniper]

You get to a certain age and you learn to keep it all in, he may not have cried at his dad's funeral but he may have wept in private, silent tears run very deep.:shrug:

I hate the assumption that because someone doesn't cry/scream/ tear their hair, that they don't feel. Some people are more private and don't wish to show their emotions to public view.:shrug:

[White_L10N]

I think cold is spilling water on the floor and not caring if someone breaks their neck falling on it. Then having the nerve to suggest to Christopher that is was a stupid reason.

[Beso]

Boy ,he has Collins card marked and thank fcuk somebody does.

he was sooking her bum on last nights l/f

[Kazanne]

..he made me annoyed....

I really don't know why? none of us know what his relationship with his father was and a lot of people don't cry at funerals but cry privately,so ,no sorry, I don't see what he has said so wrong again,he was obviously getting across to Gemma how awful her behaviour is ,John is dramatic but he certainly is not cold and cruel imo.

[Kazanne]

he was sooking her bum on last nights l/f

Ah,you think so :laugh::laugh:(Johns not daft)

[Beso]

Ah,you think so :laugh::laugh:(Johns not daft)

johns not mad..****in chicken nuggets,

[Northern Monkey]

Pretty crass to use something like that in his nomination on a game show.

This^

[Crimson Dynamo]

I didnt cry at my father funeral.

[jet]

..wow, what a cruel, cold-hearted thing to say to someone..I didn't cry when my father died and I didn't cry through my mother's illness but YOU made me cry...that really did reach the lowest low...it could be said that says more about him than it does her..(and she's pretty darn grim as well..)...his emotions are all about him..me, me, me, don't you dare make me unhappy...self-centred...but really he didn't cry for his parents/when his dad dies/when his mum became ill etc so maybe, just maybe he's so very much needed that cry, that release of emotions that being in the BB house has given...so not really a bad thing, the crying in itself bursting to come out..ok, the trigger to it may not be the best and has made him feel miserable but it may still have been a trigger that was so needed....it's not just that though, it's the whole irony of what he so cruelly said...YOU MADE ME CRY, THAT'S HOW AWFUL YOU ARE....well, you would only say something as cruel as that if you wanted to really, really upset someone, if you wanted to project something that you feel back on them out of spite..so basically to try and make them cry...she didn't cry, well she hasn't atm...but that's what something like that was designed to do....she's grim, he's grim, they're as grim as each other and as me, me, me as each other....and not really seeing that the house/being in the house could be something that they could take positives from, releases that they both may need...

:clap1:
I was pretty horrified at that. Basically it came across as if he was saying to Gemma that my Dad's funeral and my Mum's illness didn't affect me as emotionally as your treatment of ME! I doubt that is true, but it was a callous thing to do to use his parents death and illness to try to hurt someone else. Up until that point I thought his intentions with Darren's nomination could be genuine, but now I think he plays mind games to gain control over others. He's not only arrogant but ruthless too...

[rusticgal]

It was done to clearly try and paint Gemma as some evil cold hearted bastard and win over the public. He's very calculated and knows what he is doing.
T


To tally agree....in fact by making that comment only emphasised his fakeness. Why would you cry over Gemma Collins who tbf hasn't exactly been nasty...and not cry at your fathers funeral or your mothers demise :shrug:

He is playing a massive game. Now he is being everyone's best mate in there.

[the truth]

I think it was a fair point. the man cares for his sick mother around the clock, that makes him a hero in my eyes. none of these other selfish muppets would bother, bully Collins cant even bend her gargantuan anus to pick up a cup

[Kazanne]

T


To tally agree....in fact by making that comment only emphasised his fakeness. Why would you cry over Gemma Collins who tbf hasn't exactly been nasty...and not cry at your fathers funeral or your mothers demise :shrug:

He is playing a massive game. Now he is being everyone's best mate in there.

I think it just emphasised just how bad she had made him feel,he never once said he didn't care about his father,I think this is just another convenient stick to beat him with,we don't all cry at funerals,but we cry if someone pisses us off enough,we only see 45mins,he's with her 24/7

[Tom4784]

He's indefensible.

[the truth]

[QUOTE=Dezzy;8448224]He's indefensible.[/QUOTE)

Wrong, he is indefatigable.

[jet]

I think it just emphasised just how bad she had made him feel,he never once said he didn't care about his father,I think this is just another convenient stick to beat him with,we don't all cry at funerals,but we cry if someone pisses us off enough,we only see 45mins,he's with her 24/7

But you are missing the point Kazanne. I am sure he does care about his father and mother very much; it's the fact that he used their death and illness to get at Gemma. He could just have told her he rarely cries, end of story, but he used his own parents to make a big impact and make her feel awful. He was using emotional blackmail on her for his own ends.

[the truth]

But you are missing the point Kazanne. I am sure he does care about his father and mother very much; it's the fact that he used their death and illness to get at Gemma. He could just have told her he rarely cries, end of story, but he used his own parents to make a bit impact and make her feel awful. He was using emotional blackmail on her for his own ends.



not at all he was simply stating how he feels, or isn't a man allowed to do that?

[Suze]

Why do people make out whatever John says is some terrible crime:shrug:


I don't think John did anything wrong there, other than to get a point across in the best way he felt possible. Not crying at his Dad's funeral and his Mum's illness doesn't he doesn't care or even mean he didn't cry in private, just that he managed to hold those tears back in public, something many of us do I am sure. It isn't disrespect or point scoring for him to mention it, I have heard far far worse said in BBs. The point being missed with some I think is that John was saying in that house with cameras everywhere and nowhere to hide really, he found it hard to hold tears back when being attacked verbally by that moronic hag. Excuse my language, it is rare a BB contestant gets on my nerves so much, so goodness knows how John puts up with her.

[Niamh.]

not at all he was simply stating how he feels, or isn't a man allowed to do that?

Yeah it's really about the fact he's a man :hehe:

[Tarryn]

But you are missing the point Kazanne. I am sure he does care about his father and mother very much; it's the fact that he used their death and illness to get at Gemma. He could just have told her he rarely cries, end of story, but he used his own parents to make a bit impact and make her feel awful. He was using emotional blackmail on her for his own ends.

I tend to agree with you.
I also don't see why he would let somebody he dislikes so much see how much they have hurt him for any other reason than to gain sympathy.
He was so horrible to Darren last night when he explained why he was hurt so much that he nominated him back. He totally dismissed him & even tried to make him seem like he was making too big a deal out of it.
Is John the only one allowed to be upset :shrug:

[jet]

not at all he was simply stating how he feels, or isn't a man allowed to do that?

Yes, he's allowed, but it made him look like a callous, malicious, not to mention WEAK fool.

[arista]

Didnt make John cry but Gemma did? WTF That is cold. To bring it up in a petty BB task is brutal. The mans got ice water running thru his veins.



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