Is Tiffany being ostracized for being American?

[Cal.]

I'll post my thoughts later.

[ThriceShy]

It's because she is black. Simple as that.

[Pete.]

Yes

[Marsh.]

She's black, American and female. Three sins in Big Brother.

[Moosething]

She is

[GiRTh]

Being the only American left makes her an easy nomination target. The Hm's seems to assume that even if they act like arseholes just cuz they're British the public wont mind. I hope TIff makes the final, the nominations for her have been very tactical throughout the series.

[Amy Jade]

I think it's part of it, I think most of them make very little effort with her such and there seems to be two cliques now and she and Gemma seem out of the loop

I do think her nature may play a part, she's pretty unpredictable and doesn't hold her tongue and that won't sit well with some people.

[Niamh.]

I think it's part of it, I think most of them make very little effort with her such and there seems to be two cliques now and she and Gemma seem out of the loop

I do think her nature may play a part, she's pretty unpredictable and doesn't hold her tongue and that won't sit well with some people.


Yeah but the same could be said of Steph and Megan in all fairness

[Vicky.]

Partly.

She didn't get off to a good start with them all either with all the I am HBIC rubbish and then the David thing not too soon afterwards so I do genuinely think the others have bonded with each other more because of that.

Unfortunately, I think it will be the same until the end now. Gemma and John not nominating her though :clap2:

[waterhog]

she just does things different - that's why shes not fitting in.

[billy123]

She is being ostracized for behaving like gobby brat. Her reaction to nominations was pathetic behaviour.

[cassieparis]

She's being ostracized for being the biggest foreign threat.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Them racist bastards. All that **** talking about Gemma not many of them nominated her. What exactly has Tiffany done. Megan blew up like a volcano the other day that's alright is it

[Absorption]

I don't think it's so much a matter of race or gender, more cultural in that you have a group of mainly rather stupid, hystertical British people who can relate to each other on some level more easily than they can Tiffany, who is not the most likeable person in many respects either.

[the truth]

English housemates have on the whole been massively bigoted against the americans for many years. tiff is a twat, but shes an easy target now being the only american

[puzzled]

The housemates were o.k. with the other Americans.

[Withano]

No. People nominate their least favourite people (usually I'm sure even Tiff would admit she's made few friends in the house.

[Heaven = Winner]

I think it's definitely a big part in it, but I generally feel like they don't really try to connect with her, and use her as a scapegoat to make the nominations process easier for themselves to endure

[Visage]

Yes and that's probably why no one nominated Christopher because he's British.


Good call!

[rionablue]

I'll post my thoughts later.

It doesn't matter about the colour of her skin, she really showed herself up tonight being obnoxious and rude to the people who nominated her, not listening to their reasons. telling them not to look at her. I liked her now I am FED UP of her. Her and Gemma are the two biggest divas and bitches in the house.

The nominations face to face were difficult for everyone and not one other housemate treated the nominators like she did.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No for being a disgracefull bully

[RodHull]

It's because she is black. Simple as that.

Or perhaps its just cause shes a boring talentless nobody who just huffs around throwing tantrums whenever any comment is made about her :sleep:

[letmein]

She's the nation's sweetheart, so.

[the truth]

Or perhaps its just cause shes a boring talentless nobody who just huffs around throwing tantrums whenever any comment is made about her :sleep:

yes...but they all do that?

[RodHull]

yes...but they all do that?

No nobody takes it anywhere near as personally as her except Steph and everyone dislikes her equally

She kicked off at the first nomination nobody else did. She has a massively inflated opinion of herself and thought shed be a big deal and she isnt unfortunately she then ostracized herself remember 'i hate all these people in here they aint from where im from' (or words to that effect when speaking to Jonathan) well thats grand, clearly they aren't keen on her either.

Its clear she dislikes most of them and is just acting to survive and they all pick up on it. Its why she blows up when nominated cause it annoys her it was all for nothing (all the ass kissing)

Then she huffs off and isolates herself like child and nobody cares...

[Jarvio]

A load of bullcrap. Being American has nothing to do with it.

[Beso]

maybe they are to polite to tell her that it's her stinky minge that's off putting.

[wendywillow]

the core clique don't want to nom themselves for the most part so shes an easy nom, the whoe "ive bonded with others more" is a bit of a cop out

[arney]

Seriously? 'Pulling the racist card out'?

Some people need to catch themselves on and eat a large bowl of LOL's.

A) She's childish.

B) She's a loud mouth who you'd only want to spend five minutes in a room with, let alone Big Brother.

[Edna Mode]

Definitely. Even the tea and coffee thing showed the cultural differences of American vs. British culture. In America, making tea for somebody isn't even a gesture of anything.
It's like, if you're making tea, you'll ask if someone wants some too, or something, but as Gemma was explaining how it's seen as a really polite thing to do, Tiffany was rightfully confused because in America people usually make coffee/tea in the morning or get it on their way to work. There's no social protocol to it.
Also, I think it's unfair that half of them knew each other in some capacity prior to the show.

[RodHull]

Definitely. Even the tea and coffee thing showed the cultural differences of American vs. British culture. In America, making tea for somebody isn't even a gesture of anything.
It's like, if you're making tea, you'll ask if someone wants some too, or something, but as Gemma was explaining how it's seen as a really polite thing to do, Tiffany was rightfully confused because in America people usually make coffee/tea in the morning or get it on their way to work. There's no social protocol to it.
Also, I think it's unfair that half of them knew each other in some capacity prior to the show.

The problem here is the other Americans suffered no such 'problems' with protocol, even Jonathan whom by any stretch inhabits a weird celebrity world fitted in rather well.

Her issue was she came in proclaiming to them all what a big deal and massive diva she was then wondered why nobody wanted to be close to her, once she realised the show was about survival by fitting in it was to late she had burned her bridges hence why she is now GCs bitch cause she thought that would be her best chance at avoiding noms.

[tanussa]

being american & being black has nothing to do with it. she didnt actually get that many noms for any form of bias to be considered. acting the way she did though during noms will ensure she is a target if there is a next time

[Northern Monkey]

Tbh i've gone off her.She does'nt seem to have a sense of humour.Always so serious.She could smile abit more and have a laugh and try and fit in.I think being American is maybe a small part of it,The humour and values are a little different.

[hot2go]

She's been volatile, unpredictable and explosive from day one...she decided at the start she had nothing in common with anyone...her words not theirs...she f-cked up big time when Bowie died then just as people were starting to forget her uncontrollable temper she kicked off all over again in the puppets task....can't imagine that everyone in the house is racist, that would be highly unlikely....but I'm sure everyone in the house is uncomfortable with psycho behaviour ....as for American, it didn't hamper Jonathon, Angie or David....in fact Jonathon and David were liked by everyone ....

[Stevep]

She's aggressive and confrontational, therefore the housemates want her out.That's not the reason they give when nominating her to her face because........she's aggressive and confrontational.

It's as simple as that.

[hot2go]

None of the people who cry about racism seemed too concerned about ageism when Angie was monumentally ridiculed on here or concerned about a homophobia when Winston behaved like a prick ....so you'll have to excuse me if I don't give a sh-t about peoples unfounded claims of racism ......you can't only fight for human rights if it only affects you...makes your voice irrelevant

[hot2go]

She's aggressive and confrontational, therefore the housemates want her out.That's not the reason they give when nominating her to her face because........she's aggressive and confrontational.

It's as simple as that.

GENIUS !!!

[the truth]

tiffany is a twat. but theyre all twats. shes being picked on for 2 reasons 1) shes a twat and 2) shes American and theyre anti American when it comes down the it. her blackness is nothing to do with anything

[hot2go]

Them racist bastards. All that **** talking about Gemma not many of them nominated her. What exactly has Tiffany done. Megan blew up like a volcano the other day that's alright is it

No....Megan is equally as dumb and unpleasant....it's not either/ or...they're both so silly bitches ...

[jet]

I think Tiff has always had a chip on her shoulder anyway, and now all the other Americans have gone, she feels like the odd one out. She didn't do herself any favours tonight, but I can kind of see where she is coming from if she was already feeling vulnerable when it was announced that the noms were starting. She isn't one to hold back and just take it, so off she went...:rant:

[arista]

It's because she is black. Simple as that.


She has a self imposed chip on her shoulder.


Right Now in USA she is a Producer of shows
so its a shock for her to be picked on.

Well Done Viacom.
Culture Divide is Real

I have been in America
Black folks ( seated behind me and a manager)
laughed at me having a go at
a waiter who was pushing real
Pure Sugar Cane on my Tea.
I started going on about how insecure
he came across etc.

[fitz2k2]

no.for example put tiff brain in chris brain your gonna see whole house hate chris

[RodHull]

Some people are just disliked cause they are total a holes, nothing to do with race or culture.

This is one of those cases

[ThriceShy]

Or perhaps its just cause shes a boring talentless nobody who just huffs around throwing tantrums whenever any comment is made about her :sleep:

You just described Megan and Stephanie to a tee.:joker:

[Jessica.]

She's just an easy target for them, she is completely different to them in so many ways, it's just sad, also if it wasn't face to face I'm sure she wouldn't have gotten so many. :/

[Ammi]

She's been volatile, unpredictable and explosive from day one...she decided at the start she had nothing in common with anyone...her words not theirs...she f-cked up big time when Bowie died then just as people were starting to forget her uncontrollable temper she kicked off all over again in the puppets task....can't imagine that everyone in the house is racist, that would be highly unlikely....but I'm sure everyone in the house is uncomfortable with psycho behaviour ....as for American, it didn't hamper Jonathon, Angie or David....in fact Jonathon and David were liked by everyone ....

..yeah, it didn't bother them to the point that they've all left without being evicted..:laugh:...THAT'S HOW MUCH THAT IT HASN'T BOTHERED THEM..:fist:...seriously though, I know that David and Angie are ill and sleep deprived etc...but stress weakens the body and makes it more susceptible/vulnerable, so that may have been a big factor there as well, to them feeling so unwell...

[Ammi]

..I mean at one point, David died through it all/the stress...

[Slevin]

being american is a bs excuse imo. she cares when shes being nominated though.

[Alf]

She's black, American and female. Three sins in Big Brother.
The exact qualities that make the favourite housemate of certain posters on here every single series,

I wont name names (we all know), but I guarantee that the next series of BB a Black woman will be these people's favourite.

[iRyan]

She's a black american woman from upstate New York. They just don't get her and it seems like very few in that house have even tried to.

[Ammi]

None of the people who cry about racism seemed too concerned about ageism when Angie was monumentally ridiculed on here or concerned about a homophobia when Winston behaved like a prick ....so you'll have to excuse me if I don't give a sh-t about peoples unfounded claims of racism ......you can't only fight for human rights if it only affects you...makes your voice irrelevant


...but isn't that what you then are doing, dismissing racism but 'fighting for something else'..?...I don't know what you mean by the ageist thing but there have been many offensive things on the forum/said on the forum if that's what you're referring to...some pretty awful things about Gemma for instance, nothing to do with her personality..(and Lord knows there's plenty to criticise there but very personal and totally irrelevant things to her being a housemate, the 'designer vagina' thing and some really OTT and quite offensive stuff...)...and 'slut shaming' as well, in how Megan and Steph have been judged, compared to male housemates....so ageist/sexist/racist/homophobia etc..they're all wrong, very wrong...but even more wrong (in my opinion..)..if one is dismissed because another hasn't got the same attention...

[Ammi]

..anyways, I don't know if it's a racist thing but it's interesting as to many reasons given to why she was nominated...'we don't connect, sorry Tiffany'...well why don't they connect, other housemates have acted pretty grim and yet there's the connection there, is that what you're saying..?...I do think that there is a difference between American and UK housemates so they just 'don't get each other' ...a UK housemate can scream the house down and behave awfully but they understand that, they've seen it all before..they're not quite so 'intimidated'' by it but with an American housemate..?...well, oooo, she scares me....(even though her reactions to things haven't been as awful as some..)...so yeah, I do think that she's at a disadvantage in the house and made some very valid points, maybe not in the best way, but then how many housemates ever do..?...but those points still shouldn't be dismissed just because of how they are made ....

...tbh, (I think as well..)...that she's nominated because many of them think that the voters will chose a UK housemate over an American one, being more familiar with seeing them on their screens etc...so an easy target really...

[chuff me dizzy]

Tiffany has brought it ALL on herself

[Cal.]

..I mean at one point, David died through it all/the stress...

lmao <33

[MrWong]

Hm's get **** on this forum for being American so it's hardly a leap to think that there would ignorant hm's displaying the same ****.

[chuff me dizzy]

Hm's get **** on this forum for being American so it's hardly a leap to think that there would ignorant hm's displaying the same ****.

You are joking ? Americans get idolised on here ,even if no one knows them they are seen as the 2nd coming before they've even got off the plane !!

[hot2go]

...but isn't that what you then are doing, dismissing racism but 'fighting for something else'..?...I don't know what you mean by the ageist thing but there have been many offensive things on the forum/said on the forum if that's what you're referring to...some pretty awful things about Gemma for instance, nothing to do with her personality..(and Lord knows there's plenty to criticise there but very personal and totally irrelevant things to her being a housemate, the 'designer vagina' thing and some really OTT and quite offensive stuff...)...and 'slut shaming' as well, in how Megan and Steph have been judged, compared to male housemates....so ageist/sexist/racist/homophobia etc..they're all wrong, very wrong...but even more wrong (in my opinion..)..if one is dismissed because another hasn't got the same attention...


I'm sorry, that comment was really not aimed at people like you who are clearly objective and reasonable....it was specifically intended for a group of Tiffany fans who constantly say that she is only ever critisused because she is black yet never speak out in support of any other minority groups that are attacked on here....to expect my empathy for their view point on racism when they ignore or fuel hate towards older people or gay people or people they decide are ugly looking is something that I find arrogant and purile and offensive....so I speak out against that....but this is not aimed at you...at all...and I'm sorry if you felt it was....
I always try to not poke fun at things that people can't change like their race or their sexuality or their looks....if I refer to someone as being black it is a description not an insult, same goes for gay housemates, never an attack....if I call someone an old misery it will be a young person who behaves like a twat not a mature person ....if I say someone is ugly it will be a reference to their behaviour not their looks....the abuse thrown at Angie Bowie on here this week because of her age was disgraceful and none of the crowd I'm talking about said anything to defend her....yet continually they expect the rest of us to acknowledge their racism claims which are unfounded and an insult to white people ....it's racism in reverse .

[hot2go]

I would never dismiss racism....I am dismissing the views of a certain group of people who use racism to attack the rest of us ,,,,it's not the same thing

[MrWong]

You are joking ? Americans get idolised on here ,even if no one knows them they are seen as the 2nd coming before they've even got off the plane !!

They get **** for being American.

The fact that they have support is irrelevant to the point I was making.

[chuff me dizzy]

They get **** for being American.

The fact that they have support is irrelevant to the point I was making.

Load of rubbish

[MrWong]

Load of rubbish

:joker: ok.

[chuff me dizzy]

:joker: ok.

If Tiffany was white English with her attitude she would be hated on here

[MrWong]

If Tiffany was white English with her attitude she would be hated on here

So Megan then.

<checks forum> Hmm, barely any hate threads.

[hot2go]

You are joking ? Americans get idolised on here ,even if no one knows them they are seen as the 2nd coming before they've even got off the plane !!

What a brilliant observation and so very true ....and let's not forget our winner this year ..,without question it was gonna be David

[hot2go]

If Tiffany was white English with her attitude she would be hated on here

Of course she would....she's just an idiot ...she could be black, white, purple or a Tele Tubby makes no difference ...the people who dislike her do it because she's a twat...not because she's black....I feel sorry for people who think that, what a grim way to see the world

[chuff me dizzy]

Of course she would....she's just an idiot ...she could be black, white, purple or a Tele Tubby makes no difference ...the people who dislike her do it because she's a twat...not because she's black....I feel sorry for people who think that, what a grim way to see the world

Sure is

[chuff me dizzy]

What a brilliant observation and so very true ....and let's not forget our winner this year ..,without question it was gonna be David

Tiffany was rammed down our throats before she even entered the house

[hot2go]

How strange that a nation that loves black music and loved Michael and Whitney and Love Kim and Kanye can suddenly come over all funny when they watch big brother....come over all racist ...come over all white supremacy ....how funny...how strange....how convenient

[Jarvio]

..yeah, it didn't bother them to the point that they've all left without being evicted..:laugh:...THAT'S HOW MUCH THAT IT HASN'T BOTHERED THEM..:fist:...seriously though, I know that David and Angie are ill and sleep deprived etc...but stress weakens the body and makes it more susceptible/vulnerable, so that may have been a big factor there as well, to them feeling so unwell...

David and Angie are old. Old = more likely to fall ill.

Jonathan is the only one you may have a point on.

[Crimson Dynamo]

lol at the reaching as folks realise that like Visage last time their "kween" is rather less than they had expected and will be leaving soon

:joker:

"it must be raCISM"

"it must be coz she is american"

"it must be coz she is a woman"



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Its coz she is rubbish

[chuff me dizzy]

lol at the reaching as folks realise that like Visage last time their "kween" is rather less than they had expected and will be leaving soon

:joker:

"it must be raCISM"

"it must be coz she is american"

"it must be coz she is a woman"



------------------------------------

Its coz she is rubbish

:clap1:

[Niamh.]

lol at the reaching as folks realise that like Visage last time their "kween" is rather less than they had expected and will be leaving soon

:joker:

"it must be raCISM"

"it must be coz she is american"

"it must be coz she is a woman"



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Its coz she is rubbish

So I hear Steph wants to marry her true love Sam again now :flutter:

[Crimson Dynamo]

So I hear Steph wants to marry her true love Sam again now :flutter:

:nono:

she is finished with that wifebeater

[Niamh.]

:nono:

she is finished with that wifebeater

But she remembered everything she loved about him and is sure that she wants to be with him and marry him n'awwwww :lovedup:

[Jenkin]

Being the only American left makes her an easy nomination target. The Hm's seems to assume that even if they act like arseholes just cuz they're British the public wont mind. I hope TIff makes the final, the nominations for her have been very tactical throughout the series.

I actually felt for Tiffany at last nights nominations. Yes, she was an easy target and it must be hard for her in such an alien environment. The best most of them could come up with as a reason for nominating was the usual 'I haven't got to know you as well as the others', or 'I haven't spent as much time with you as I have with the others'

[chuff me dizzy]

But she remembered everything she loved about him and is sure that she wants to be with him and marry him n'awwwww :lovedup:

It was the way she suddenly realised she had a boyfriend, but over and over blamed her age,John was brilliant in giving her a few home truths in a calm but firm way

[hot2go]

They don't give honest nominations because they can't think of justified reasons to kick her out....they don't give honest noms cause they know she will react like she did and make the house unbearable to live in again for another 48 hours....
But I wish they would speak the truth, they're mostly wimps when it comes to noms this year except for John and Jeremy....they should keep nominating the idiot for her disgusting disrespect towards Angie, and not stop till she's out....the passing of time doesn't make some things right

[Livia]

Someone's got to be nominated, Tiffany completely overreacted and ended up looking petulant and stupid. Just when I start to like her she acts like a fool.

[chuff me dizzy]

They don't give honest nominations because they can't think of justified reasons to kick her out....they don't give honest noms cause they know she will react like she did and make the house unbearable to live in again for another 48 hours....
But I wish they would speak the truth, they're mostly wimps when it comes to noms this year except for John and Jeremy....they should keep nominating the idiot for her disgusting disrespect towards Angie, and not stop till she's out....the passing of time doesn't make some things right

Tiffany tried to come over all sweet when she nominated Dani because she said she wanted to go home and couldn't think of another reason to nominate her , BB told her it wasn't a valid reason, within SECONDS the vitriol spewed out of her mouth

[Niamh.]

It was the way she suddenly realised she had a boyfriend, but over and over blamed her age,John was brilliant in giving her a few home truths in a calm but firm way

Yes, he was, I liked the you're 22 not 16 haha, I've been wanting to say that to her for a while now :laugh:

[hot2go]

Some of the people who say that Tiffany is being attacked for being American are themselves the same people were attacking Angie.......who's also American....tut, tut, silly Billy's.....you know who you are ....not very bright

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes, he was, I liked the you're 22 not 16 haha, I've been wanting to say that to her for a while now :laugh:

She was shocked to the core that at long last someone had told her to grow up and act her age

[hot2go]

Tiffany tried to come over all sweet when she nominated Dani because she said she wanted to go home and couldn't think of another reason to nominate her , BB told her it wasn't a valid reason, within SECONDS the vitriol spewed out of her mouth

😀😀 Ain't that the truth . ...how fake and dishonest was she being there ? And after kicking off about people not being honest with their noms.....to stand there and do exactly the thing she's accusing others of....she's not the brightest lamp in the street is she ?

[Niamh.]

😀😀 Ain't that the truth . ...how fake and dishonest was she being there ? And after kicking off about people not being honest with their noms.....to stand there and do exactly the thing she's accusing others of....she's not the brightest lamp in the street is she ?

Maybe she really did nominate Danielle because she said she wanted to go home but had to say that s**t because BB wouldn't accept it as a reason?

[Crimson Dynamo]

when jeremy was dong the nom she was talking over him saying "yeah yeah yeah"

no class, just rude

utterly vile

[chuff me dizzy]

😀😀 Ain't that the truth . ...how fake and dishonest was she being there ? And after kicking off about people not being honest with their noms.....to stand there and do exactly the thing she's accusing others of....she's not the brightest lamp in the street is she ?

Coward and totally spineless

[chuff me dizzy]

Maybe she really did nominate Danielle because she said she wanted to go home but had to say that s**t because BB wouldn't accept it as a reason?

Naah Niamh ,Im not having that :nono:

[Niamh.]

Naah Niamh ,Im not having that :nono:

Well it would be a pretty good reason though, just imagining myself as a Hm and someone had said they really wanted to go home i would nominate them :shrug:

[Niamh.]

when jeremy was dong the nom she was talking over him saying "yeah yeah yeah"

no class, just rude

utterly vile

Atleast she didn't start puking :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Atleast she didn't start puking :idc:

i was crying with laugher at that bit

:hehe:

[Beso]

Atleast she didn't start puking :idc:

funniest part of the show.

[Niamh.]

i was crying with laugher at that bit

:hehe:

And Jeremy just looked pissed off that Christopher and stole his limelight :hehe:

[Niamh.]

funniest part of the show.

It was pretty funny..........and a little bizarre but Bizarre would be the word I'd use to describe this whole series if I had to choose one :laugh:

[Suze]

Tiffany is a weird one, I must admit from what very little I have seen so far, I watched the eviction show, and last nights show after reading the posts on here about Tiffany and Chris's reactions :laugh2: I do love her honesty even if over the top in being nominated :D and she has it right about some not getting Americans in CBB and so it is harder to cope out of there enviroment. Somehow though I do find myself liking her.

[the truth]

And Jeremy just looked pissed off that Christopher and stole his limelight :hehe:

true,,,, farking diva:hehe:

[ebandit]

it's a game show............what happened to tiffs.......'i'm the head bitch' crap

wants it all.........thinks she can do as she likes and still be popular

Mark L

[chuff me dizzy]

it's a game show............what happened to tiffs.......'i'm the head bitch' crap

wants it all.........thinks she can do as she likes and still be popular

Mark L

She left the "head bitch" at Gatwick Airport

[billy123]

Oh how hilarious to laugh at somebody that suffers with anxiety.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tiffany is a weird one, I must admit from what very little I have seen so far, I watched the eviction show, and last nights show after reading the posts on here about Tiffany and Chris's reactions :laugh2: I do love her honesty even if over the top in being nominated :D and she has it right about some not getting Americans in CBB and so it is harder to cope out of there enviroment. Somehow though I do find myself liking her.

no, her problem like some americans is she is culturally backward and poorly aware of other cultures and countries. She comes across as also poorly educated in general. Due to this she is out her depth and feels like people are ganging up as she cannot work out what is wrong.

[Stormy]

I don't believe she's being consciously ostracized by the house.

I believe that Jonathan was afraid of her and so he told some stories about her past to the British housemates and they became afraid of her as well.

Because of this, they kept her at arms length and treated her with caution...this contributed to Tiffany feeling like she didn't belong and she felt she was treated differently from the others.

[vivparker]

she's not being ostracized at all, she is just being treated with the contempt she deserves. Everyone has to nominate so what gives her the right to kick off at anyone who nominates her? She is a stroppy mare who could benefit from a good slap across the face

[wendywillow]

no, her problem like some americans is she is culturally backward and poorly aware of other cultures and countries. She comes across as also poorly educated in general. Due to this she is out her depth and feels like people are ganging up as she cannot work out what is wrong.

please stop using tiffany as your example of a typical American, jeeeeez :conf:

[cfromhx02]

No she is being ostracized,if she is, because she said she asked Angie if she meant that David Guest was dead and that Angie had replied to say yes she meant him.BOTH were made up.So she made up asking Angie that

and made up she confirmed so to save herself from looking like an idiot and to win the argument not caring about causing more trouble for Angie

by making out she had said someone was dead who wasn't.

For that she deserves ostracizing but from what I can see she's been invited into the bosom of Gemma and Megan's friendship

though they are just using her to attack their opponents (John at the moment)

and IMO scandolously her doing that to Angie is ignored and she tops polls.

[Lurkerville]

None of the people who cry about racism seemed too concerned about ageism when Angie was monumentally ridiculed on here or concerned about a homophobia when Winston behaved like a prick ....so you'll have to excuse me if I don't give a sh-t about peoples unfounded claims of racism ......you can't only fight for human rights if it only affects you...makes your voice irrelevant

Very off topic but this nonsense gets on my nerves. As a black lesbian (who happens to volunteer in the LGBT Human Rights field) I hear this nonsense from people who forget that Human Rights are just that. The Rights of Humans! Why on earth isn't it valid to feel an affinity with one or other types of Human Rights abuse? The only thing that's unacceptable is wanting to take rights away from one group or another or take away their voice which amounts to the same thing. people will have different life experiences, no? If YOU care amount abuse then start welcoming any voice who speaks against it whether it's domestic violence against men or women, racism against any culture or any sexuality or gender stereotypes.

Peace.