If Tiff was a man...

[White_L10N]

If Tiff was a man her sexual behaviour would be seen as disgusting. Telling Jeremy she wants to fck him... in front of everyone. Trying to kiss him. Saying she will be there for Scotty T now that Megan has gone. In a sexual way. Talking about Darren even though he has a wife. Thinking back to Winston checking out some of the women... that was nothing in comparison and he was slated for it! There is a clear double standard here. The fact it doesn't even appear to be an issue or talked about is incredible. :nono:

[Carl Jayson]

Her behaviour is not sexist. The difference is she has told Darren/Jeremy how she felt and wasn't pervy/seedy over the situation.

Winston didn't approach Nancy or any of the other females he was undressing with his eyes and said look I think you're hot and that's that, or said I wanted to have sex with you the minute I saw you!

Comparing Tiffany's behaviour to that of Winston's is ridiculous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If Tiff was a man her sexual behaviour would be seen as disgusting. Telling Jeremy she wants to fck him... in front of everyone. Trying to kiss him. Saying she will be there for Scotty T now that Megan has gone. In a sexual way. Talking about Darren even though he has a wife. Thinking back to Winston checking out some of the women... that was nothing in comparison and he was slated for it! There is a clear double standard here. The fact it doesn't even appear to be an issue or talked about is incredible. :nono:

:clap1:

[White_L10N]

Her behaviour is not sexist. The difference is she has told Darren/Jeremy how she felt and wasn't pervy/seedy over the situation.

Winston didn't approach Nancy or any of the other females he was undressing with his eyes and said look I think you're hot and that's that, or said I wanted to have sex with you the minute I saw you!

Comparing Tiffany's behaviour to that of Winston's is ridiculous.

Come on. She was looking Jeremy up and down and biting her lip at one point. How is that not pervy? And the idea that vocalising your interest makes a difference is the ridiculous part. Doesn't make it any less seedy. Especially because Darren is married. She's clearly hoping he's going to turn round and say... lets forget about my wife and get it on. And the fact she said "don't tell any of the other girls". She knows she shouldn't be saying something.

[Carl Jayson]

Come on. She was looking Jeremy up and down and biting her lip at one point. How is that not pervy? And the idea that vocalising your interest makes a difference is the ridiculous part. Doesn't make it any less seedy. Especially because Darren is married. She's clearly hoping he's going to turn round and say... lets forget about my wife and get it on. And the fact she said "don't tell any of the other girls". She knows she shouldn't be saying something.

Darren took it brilliantly, she didn't make any advances she just got it off her chest.

And Jeremy has kissed her twice last night.

[wendywillow]

this is crazy talk

[White_L10N]

Darren took it brilliantly, she didn't make any advances she just got it off her chest.

And Jeremy has kissed her twice last night.

Darrens a gentleman thats why. Like I said imagine the roles were reversed. Like David Guest was to come up to Kristina Rihanoff and tell her he thinks about her sexually. Exclaiming infront of everyone how he wanted to fck Stephanie as soon as she came through the door. THEN talking about how he will be there for Meghan... physically, because Scotty has been evicted.

I guarantee he would be seen as a perv on just one of those accounts nevermind them all.

And also Tiff wasn't saying no to Winston in the bed. She was giggling away and getting closer. It was only because the other housemates thought it was pervy and thought she needed "protecting". Another double standard. Poor girl can't think for herself.

[Niamh.]

Jeremy and Scotty t seemed very into the kissing thing and showing her their bits last night :shrug: Looked like they were all just having a bit of a laugh tbh

[cfromhx02]

If Tiff or Gemma were men you'd invite them politely down some alleyway away from any evidence and then deck them. I'm honestly not looking for that on this show,but wouldn't it be more fun to have a boxing match or say a wrestling match set up where housemates abused by the worst get a chance to knock them to the canvass,

not knocked out

and in gull protective gear.

That's better and far more entertaining than watching cowards and bullies helped out by BB

who know those they abuse can't touch them.

[Northern Monkey]

Is'nt Tiff single?Winston married?

[White_L10N]

Is'nt Tiff single?Winston married?

Winston isn't married no. Has an ex wife.

[Vicky.]

It would only be classed as pervy if she was an older/unattractive man.

[chuff me dizzy]

Is'nt Tiff single?Winston married?

Who would have her ?

[wendywillow]

If Tiff or Gemma were men you'd invite them politely down some alleyway away from any evidence and then deck them. I'm honestly not looking for that on this show,but wouldn't it be more fun to have a boxing match or say a wrestling match set up where housemates abused by the worst get a chance to knock them to the canvass,

not knocked out

and in gull protective gear.

That's better and far more entertaining than watching cowards and bullies helped out by BB

who know those they abuse can't touch them.


:umm2::umm2:

[Headie]

Who would have her ?

Hundreds of thousands of men applied to be on her dating show :pat:

[cfromhx02]

:umm2::umm2:

That's true isn't it most of them are only brave enough to be so vile to people because they know people can't touch them ?

That makes them a cowardly bully.

Don't know why the eyes.It's simple enough to understand.And Tiff apart from her disgustingly nasty lie that Angie had said David Gest was dead has done nothing to cause drama.The only thing she's done is try to stop HM s talking about her to try and undemocratically block what they say to the public

about the coward.

Most of the time she has been a compete coward who normally talks in a wimpy voice as she looks up at Gemma to meekly agree with her.

[chuff me dizzy]

Hundreds of thousands of men applied to be on her dating show :pat:

Camera lovers, just like her

[chuff me dizzy]

That's true isn't it most of them are only brave enough to be so vile to people because they know people can't touch them ?

That makes them a cowardly bully.

Don't know why the eyes.It's simple enough to understand.And Tiff apart from her disgustingly nasty lie that Angie had said David Gest was dead has done nothing to cause drama.The only thing she's done is try to stop HM s talking about her to try and undemocratically block what they say to the public

about the coward.

Most of the time she has been a compete coward who normally talks in a wimpy voice as she looks up at Gemma to meekly agree with her.

:clap1: Proven liar ,and proven cheap skank

[Carl Jayson]

:clap1: Proven liar ,and proven cheap skank

Proven to win the public over :clap1:

Proven to provide the most iconic moment of any CBB series ever :clap1:

Proven herself and is going to be the winner :clap1:

:cheer2:
:cheer2:
:joker:

[Ant.]

I don't think so

I mean if the genders were reversed I'd feel the same about Tiffany as Tiffany approached it as a woman. She respected Darren's space and said she didn't want to make things awkward and just wanted him to know how she felt. I don't think that's really comparable to Winston saying all that disrespectful **** about the women undressing

[sungrass]

"If" as a hypothetical in this context is too abstract to have any meaning. Tiffany had a crush on Darren - Wiston was slimy. The thing is - its that roles cant be reversed- Tiffany is a woman - thats the fact - why imagine if she was a man? Men and Women are different. Thats also a fact.

[Withano]

You should compare the "victims" reactions rather than the perpetrators actions. If you did, you would realise that it is not double standards at all. Making somebody laugh with sexual actions is not anywhere close to the same as making somebody uncomfortable with them.

[joeysteele]

Not sexist but really sad and very desperate.

[RodHull]

Her behaviour is not sexist. The difference is she has told Darren/Jeremy how she felt and wasn't pervy/seedy over the situation.

Winston didn't approach Nancy or any of the other females he was undressing with his eyes and said look I think you're hot and that's that, or said I wanted to have sex with you the minute I saw you!

Comparing Tiffany's behaviour to that of Winston's is ridiculous.

So your saying if Winston had told nancy he wanted to ****** her it would have been acceptable, yeah right lol hed have been out of there quicker than a rat up a drainpipe

[jaxie]

If Tiff was a man her sexual behaviour would be seen as disgusting. Telling Jeremy she wants to fck him... in front of everyone. Trying to kiss him. Saying she will be there for Scotty T now that Megan has gone. In a sexual way. Talking about Darren even though he has a wife. Thinking back to Winston checking out some of the women... that was nothing in comparison and he was slated for it! There is a clear double standard here. The fact it doesn't even appear to be an issue or talked about is incredible. :nono:

If Tiffany was a man behaving like that with 2 younger girls, touching them between the legs in the shower, giving them some tongue, I think most of her supporters would be baying for her to be removed from the house. Remember how everyone got because Jeremy touched Chloe's robe? Tiffany had the shower door open and her hands all over Scotty's penis. No eyelids batted?

[jaxie]

You should compare the "victims" reactions rather than the perpetrators actions. If you did, you would realise that it is not double standards at all. Making somebody laugh with sexual actions is not anywhere close to the same as making somebody uncomfortable with them.

How would public perceptions have been, other hijinks aside, if Ken Morley had went into the diary room after one of the young guys left and said he was going to be there for the guys girl interest with his legs open?

[lostalex]

but she's not a man, she's a woman, and women get treated differently. in most ways they get treated worse than men, but in some cases they have some privelidges.

also if 2 girls made out with the same guy, they would both be called sluts, but no one is calling scotty and jeremy sluts for both kissing the same girl.

[kirklancaster]

It would only be classed as pervy if she was an older/unattractive man.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Got it in ONE Vicky.

[Kazanne]

Darren took it brilliantly, she didn't make any advances she just got it off her chest.

And Jeremy has kissed her twice last night.

Well Darren is well pissed off with her now,after her stupid question to him in the truth or dare game.

[Niamh.]

If Tiffany was a man behaving like that with 2 younger girls, touching them between the legs in the shower, giving them some tongue, I think most of her supporters would be baying for her to be removed from the house. Remember how everyone got because Jeremy touched Chloe's robe? Tiffany had the shower door open and her hands all over Scotty's penis. No eyelids batted?


Tbf Scotty was the one flashing her in the garden and sticking his head in her boobs, it wasn't all one sided, that's the difference. Also people saying she's a much older woman and they're young guys? There isn't that much of an age gap between her and Scotty, he's 27 and she's 34

[Beso]

if i shared a house with someone who goes for a wank while a party is on the go i would be kicking them out, asap!

[MrWong]

If Tiffany was a man behaving like that with 2 younger girls, touching them between the legs in the shower, giving them some tongue, I think most of her supporters would be baying for her to be removed from the house. Remember how everyone got because Jeremy touched Chloe's robe? Tiffany had the shower door open and her hands all over Scotty's penis. No eyelids batted?

Jeremy opened her robe to reveal her boob.

Had Jeremy and Chloe been kissing beforehand?

I can't see how you can compare the two situations tbh.

[waterhog]

If Tiff was a man her sexual behaviour would be seen as disgusting. Telling Jeremy she wants to fck him... in front of everyone. Trying to kiss him. Saying she will be there for Scotty T now that Megan has gone. In a sexual way. Talking about Darren even though he has a wife. Thinking back to Winston checking out some of the women... that was nothing in comparison and he was slated for it! There is a clear double standard here. The fact it doesn't even appear to be an issue or talked about is incredible. :nono:

well said - its double standards.

[chuff me dizzy]

If Tiffany was a man behaving like that with 2 younger girls, touching them between the legs in the shower, giving them some tongue, I think most of her supporters would be baying for her to be removed from the house. Remember how everyone got because Jeremy touched Chloe's robe? Tiffany had the shower door open and her hands all over Scotty's penis. No eyelids batted?

Totally agree, last night antics (Making Darren feel uncomfortable,touching Scotts old man, pulling his pants down) were ALL removable offences

[jaxie]

Jeremy opened her robe to reveal her boob.

Had Jeremy and Chloe been kissing beforehand?

I can't see how you can compare the two situations tbh.

Well in both situations they were in the bathroom and privacy was invaded. Idk, does a bit of a snog in truth or dare send a neon invite to open the shower and touch someone's doo dah?
:shrug: If it does you are opening a whole new world to t or d for me!

[MrWong]

Well in both situations they were in the bathroom and privacy was invaded. Idk, does a bit of a snog in truth or dare send a neon invite to open the shower and touch someone's doo dah?
:shrug: If it does you are opening a whole new world to t or d for me!

2 people acting up in a sexual way.

1 person helping another person who is being sick. That person is then made completely uncomfortable when the person she is helping moves her robe to reveal her boob.

Yeah, they're the same.

[jaxie]

2 people acting up in a sexual way.

1 person helping another person who is being sick. That person is then made completely uncomfortable when the person she is helping moves her robe to reveal her boob.

Yeah, they're the same.

I'm sorry but kissing and 'acting up' isn't an open invitation to open a shower later and touch your sexual organs. :nono:

The only real difference is Scotty didn't say no.

[MrWong]

I'm sorry but kissing and 'acting up' isn't an open invitation to open a shower later and touch your sexual organs. :nono:

The only real difference is Scotty didn't say no.

A massively important difference wouldn't you say?

Like I said, the two situations cannot be compared.

[hot2go]

It def appears to be hypocrisy by some of the viewers, Jeremy and Steph are doing exactly the same thing....but I think it's great for some viewers.....I def applaud it...I think there should be more sex and naughty stuff.....it's a part of what BB is about ...and any of the young ones who go in there or any ones partner who goes in there must surely expect that these things can happen....my only discomfort with Tiffany isn't that she's chasing Scotty it's that she's chased 3 blokes one after the other...and even that doesn't bother be morally but it makes her looks bit silly and I thought she was a bit cooler than that

[Crimson Dynamo]

what age is she, 30 odd?

[Crimson Dynamo]

good god she is 34

[jaxie]

A massively important difference wouldn't you say?

Like I said, the two situations cannot be compared.

I'm not convinced had he said no any eyelids would have batted so no, I still believe a lot of people have double standards. I can almost hear people saying, had he said no or stop 'but he has sex a lot on his TV show.'

[White_L10N]

Darren said “how much have you had to drink”. So clearly he seen this situation as something that is only warranted if you’re highly intoxicated! Men are more comfortable with their sexuality and can easily and effortlessly accept and move on from something like this. Which is my point. If the same were to happen to a woman. She would be in the diary room slating a man for being a perv.

You don’t tell a man who has a wife, on television, that you are interested in him. Why would you need to? Other than the hope that he will say he does too? This is the definition of seedy. Lacking moral fibre. From a societal perspective anyway. But because she’s a woman she gets away with her overt sexual nature. Men don’t anymore. They are expected to keep it to themselves. If you’re going to say men have to keep it to themselves then surely Tiff should be expected to as well. This is why it’s a double standard. I personally have no problem with Winston or Tiff being overtly sexual. Because you’re lying to yourself if you’re holding it in otherwise. What I have a problem with is the fact a woman’s body must be respected more so than a man’s.

Men are made to feel uncomfortable about their feelings towards woman. Then woman who like a guy complain he doesn’t have the balls to take it to that level. But he’s been wussyfied by the years and years of conditioning. All a woman needs to do is say .. “I appreciate you find me attractive. I would too if I were you. But I’m not interested”. Nobody said this to Winston. If he were to continue his behaviour after this fact then and only then does it become acceptable to claim he’s making you uncomfortable.

[Trasadkel1]

Totally agree, last night antics (Making Darren feel uncomfortable,touching Scotts old man, pulling his pants down) were ALL removable offences

Agree and if it had been a man doing the same thing I very much doubt if he would have still been in the house.

[luvjustin]

They were compliant. They were drunk. Dappy was the exact same way with Louisa, which was also reciprocated. There is far too many moral highgrounders on here. Stop the slut shaming and chill until someone complains about behavior towards them.

[luvjustin]

Darren said “how much have you had to drink”. So clearly he seen this situation as something that is only warranted if you’re highly intoxicated! Men are more comfortable with their sexuality and can easily and effortlessly accept and move on from something like this. Which is my point. If the same were to happen to a woman. She would be in the diary room slating a man for being a perv.

You don’t tell a man who has a wife, on television, that you are interested in him. Why would you need to? Other than the hope that he will say he does too? This is the definition of seedy. Lacking moral fibre. From a societal perspective anyway. But because she’s a woman she gets away with her overt sexual nature. Men don’t anymore. They are expected to keep it to themselves. If you’re going to say men have to keep it to themselves then surely Tiff should be expected to as well. This is why it’s a double standard. I personally have no problem with Winston or Tiff being overtly sexual. Because you’re lying to yourself if you’re holding it in otherwise. What I have a problem with is the fact a woman’s body must be respected more so than a man’s.

Men are made to feel uncomfortable about their feelings towards woman. Then woman who like a guy complain he doesn’t have the balls to take it to that level. But he’s been wussyfied by the years and years of conditioning. All a woman needs to do is say .. “I appreciate you find me attractive. I would too if I were you. But I’m not interested”. Nobody said this to Winston. If he were to continue his behaviour after this fact then and only then does it become acceptable to claim he’s making you uncomfortable.

I can't even begin to wrap my head around these kinds of views. I thought you people were a myth.

[Withano]

How would public perceptions have been, other hijinks aside, if Ken Morley had went into the diary room after one of the young guys left and said he was going to be there for the guys girl interest with his legs open?

Completely different which is the point you missed. Its different using sex and appearing fun and using it and appearing threatening.

[hot2go]

Totally agree, last night antics (Making Darren feel uncomfortable,touching Scotts old man, pulling his pants down) were ALL removable offences

The Darren question was bad taste and loaded with suggestion...very inappropriate ....the other stuff harmless IMO...I liked seeing em having fun for once, those boys were making Tiff feel include that's all......but interesting what you say about pulling pants down, your so right, when Deniese Welch did that to a female BB reprimanded her and there were threats of lawyers...i thought that was wrong and this was right but they must surely both be the same, one or the other not both

[jaxie]

Completely different which is the point you missed. Its different using sex and appearing fun and using it and appearing threatening.

It was said in the diary room why would it have been more threatening and less in fun if it was Ken instead of Tiffany who offered comfort by opening their legs?

[Jordan.]

No one cares apart from few 'outraged' people online

[Calderyon]

If any other man or woman was in Tiffany´s place, he/she would be lynched.

But because it´s Tiffany, she is going to be praised.

[chuff me dizzy]

If any other man or woman was in Tiffany´s place, he/she would be lynched.

But because it´s Tiffany, she is going to be praised.

Very true !! Steph has been blasted around this forum for cuddling up with Jeremy,she's never slept in his bed ,as far as been shown she's never pulled his underpants down,she's never played with his old man in the shower (and he's not in half a relationship like Scott is ) but its ok for the swanky cow to do it, in fact its funny !!!

[Alf]

I can't even begin to wrap my head around these kinds of views. I thought you people were a myth.
You can't wrap your head around it because your mind has been poisoned by years of leftie liberal hypocritical media.

It's not your fault and your not alone, everything we do in life comes from influence.

[chuff me dizzy]

Tbf Scotty was the one flashing her in the garden and sticking his head in her boobs, it wasn't all one sided, that's the difference. Also people saying she's a much older woman and they're young guys? There isn't that much of an age gap between her and Scotty, he's 27 and she's 34

He wasn't flashing her, he was flashing Jeremy, she ASKED him to show her it, big difference

[chuff me dizzy]

Agree and if it had been a man doing the same thing I very much doubt if he would have still been in the house.

People have been removed from the house for far less

[Jordan.]

He wasn't flashing her, he was flashing Jeremy, she ASKED him to show her it, big difference

And he had no issue in doing so, so what's the problem?

[reece(:]

This thread is doing the most.

[chuff me dizzy]

And he had no issue in doing so, so what's the problem?

Double standards,if she was a pretty white,English girl this place would be in uproar

[Jordan.]

Double standards

How? Also you missed out the point in Niamhs post that Scotty put his face in her boobs before any of that even happened.

[White_L10N]

I can't even begin to wrap my head around these kinds of views. I thought you people were a myth.

If you have something to say. Feel free. I'm open to opinions rather than bigotted remarks.

[JoshBB]

Okay so

1) False equivalency. Google it.

2) Talking 'too openly' about sex is not sexist, regardless of the gender of the person doing it. Unless they are talking about the other gender as if they are below their own, it is not sexist. Just a bit weird.

[White_L10N]

You can't wrap your head around it because your mind has been poisoned by years of leftie liberal hypocritical media.

It's not your fault and your not alone, everything we do in life comes from influence.

I actually am leftie liberal funnily enough lol I'd suggest the media are righty authoritarian. People should be free to express themselves in whatever way they feel like expressing themselves. However, when one group of people seemingly see themselves as priveledged... male or female. I feel obligated to point it out. As per this post. I'm glad you agree with my comment though. Very open minded.

[White_L10N]

Okay so

1) False equivalency. Google it.

2) Talking 'too openly' about sex is not sexist, regardless of the gender of the person doing it. Unless they are talking about the other gender as if they are below their own, it is not sexist. Just a bit weird.

I don't believe it is sexist to talk openly about your feelings and desires. What is sexist is the fact the female gender, in this situation, appears to be able to act in a more overtly sexual manner without being labeled as a man would. Winston being an example.

[Northern Monkey]

I did'nt see Scotty T complaining or saying no.If he'd said 'Howay man i'm in the shuwer wi mi barls oot.Gan oot nah' and she'd continued then yeah she should be removed.But that did'nt happen.

[chuff me dizzy]

I don't believe it is sexist to talk openly about your feelings and desires. What is sexist is the fact the female gender, in this situation, appears to be able to act in a more overtly sexual manner without being labeled as a man would. Winston being an example.

Dead right !!

[Samm]

Not gonna bother since some people avoid certain key posts that point out that they're wrong and carrying on so :pat:

[Niamh.]

I did'nt see Scotty T complaining or saying no.If he'd said 'Howay man i'm in the shuwer wi mi barls oot.Gan oot nah' and she'd continued then yeah she should be removed.But that did'nt happen.


That really made me laugh :fan:

[Vanessa]

I did'nt see Scotty T complaining or saying no.If he'd said 'Howay man i'm in the shuwer wi mi barls oot.Gan oot nah' and she'd continued then yeah she should be removed.But that did'nt happen.

:laugh3:

[wendywillow]

How? Also you missed out the point in Niamhs post that Scotty put his face in her boobs before any of that even happened.

stop making sense, no one wants that here :laugh:

[jaxie]

I did'nt see Scotty T complaining or saying no.If he'd said 'Howay man i'm in the shuwer wi mi barls oot.Gan oot nah' and she'd continued then yeah she should be removed.But that did'nt happen.

:laugh: You're great at Geordie Shore speak!

[Withano]

It was said in the diary room why would it have been more threatening and less in fun if it was Ken instead of Tiffany who offered comfort by opening their legs?

Because Tiff was saying it about people who were physically stronger than her whilst not having a tool that could penetrate the weaker person. There was no way that what Tiff said could have had sinister undertones unless, like you, you add a buttload of 'what if' hypothetical situations which would completely change the context of the thing that happened.

What happened was - nothing - and twisting the context until you find a way to be offended is senseless.

[Ammi]

..Northern Monkey, your Scotty T impersonation LOL..:laugh:...



Jeremy and Scotty t seemed very into the kissing thing and showing her their bits last night :shrug: Looked like they were all just having a bit of a laugh tbh

...yeah, not only thoroughly enjoying it but Scotty has been giving Jeremy and Steph a few 'longing' looks when they've been snuggling and kissing in bed, sine Megan left I've noticed...that young man is feeling a bit sexy/sexy and very frustrated ..:laugh:...I think with Jeremy, although he has Steph to snuggle up to, it's all feeling a bit too intense and not much fun to him and boys just wanna have fun, which is also the same with Tiffany...she's been a bit 'out of it' with the young single ladies and the first opportunity to have a bit of fun and sexy/sexy herself.... all of them just 3 single people having a bit of fun and desperately needing it...because it's a huge part of what housemates go into the house for as well/hope to have, but it often becomes too series and 'drama', tension etc very quickly....

[jaxie]

Because Tiff was saying it about people who were physically stronger than her whilst not having a tool that could penetrate the weaker person. There was no way that what Tiff said could have had sinister undertones unless, like you, you add a buttload of 'what if' hypothetical situations which would completely change the context of the thing that happened.

What happened was - nothing - and twisting the context until you find a way to be offended is senseless.

I'm not offended I'm pointing out as per the thread that double standards do come into play for people depending on who is saying it. You are assuming Tiffany is weaker than those she is coming on to and Ken is stronger when actually he's a fairly old guy, how can you know the girls in question couldn't throttle him? I'm a woman and I do think that sometimes there are double standards on behaviour and women can be a cut a lot more slack than men on what is and isn't appropriate. Not a Ken fan, but I thought he was a fairly good comparison. If we are emancipated then that doesn't mean men can't sneeze without being accused of being inappropriate it means we are, or should be equals. By those standards really what Tiffany said in the diary room was as inappropriate as anything Ken said and she should probably be given a warning.

[Marsh.]

"If Tiff was a man..."

Well she's not


/end thread

[Tom4784]

Everything she did with Scotty and Jeremy was completely consensual, that's the difference between Tiffany and the male HMs that got warnings or kicked out for sexual harassment. Scotty T and Jeremy liked and wanted the night's activities to continue, People like Chloe, Nancy, Joel and others didn't want none of that from the likes of Jeremy, Winston and Aaron. That's the difference.

It's kind of troubling that some people can't seem to tell the difference.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If Tiff was a man and was white and started calling people you fkg "N" word bastards

then that is disgusting racism and i think she should be evicted immediately:mad:


how horrible she, i mean he, is the vile pig

[jaxie]

Everything she did with Scotty and Jeremy was completely consensual, that's the difference between Tiffany and the male HMs that got warnings or kicked out for sexual harassment. Scotty T and Jeremy liked and wanted the night's activities to continue, People like Chloe, Nancy, Joel and others didn't want none of that from the likes of Jeremy, Winston and Aaron. That's the difference.

It's kind of troubling that some people can't seem to tell the difference.

I think it would be a lot more troubling if people didn't discuss these kinds of issues.

[Niamh.]

If Tiff was a man and was white and started calling people you fkg "N" word bastards

then that is disgusting racism and i think she should be evicted immediately:mad:


how horrible she, i mean he, is the vile pig

:laugh:


I can't read this thread without singing that Beyonce song "If Tiff was a man, even just for one day...

[Vanessa]

Go Tiff and Scotty. Both single and ready to mingle :dance:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Go Tiff and Scotty. Both single and ready to mingle :dance:

http://images.ok.co.uk/1452274933_cbb_nancyandmegana.jpg

[Niamh.]

:laugh2:

[Vanessa]

http://images.ok.co.uk/1452274933_cbb_nancyandmegana.jpg

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/sites/default/files/10.gif :banana:

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/sites/default/files/10.gif :banana:

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[Vanessa]

Crazy Meg :laugh:

[Withano]

I'm not offended I'm pointing out as per the thread that double standards do come into play for people depending on who is saying it. You are assuming Tiffany is weaker than those she is coming on to and Ken is stronger when actually he's a fairly old guy, how can you know the girls in question couldn't throttle him? I'm a woman and I do think that sometimes there are double standards on behaviour and women can be a cut a lot more slack than men on what is and isn't appropriate. Not a Ken fan, but I thought he was a fairly good comparison. If we are emancipated then that doesn't mean men can't sneeze without being accused of being inappropriate it means we are, or should be equals. By those standards really what Tiffany said in the diary room was as inappropriate as anything Ken said and she should probably be given a warning.

It isn't double standards because you are comparing two different things. Compare it to a 4 foot skinny midget saying it about female wrestlers if you want to swap the genders. Its just not sinister. Its humorous. And everyone bar you and like two other people saw it this way

[Tom4784]

I think it would be a lot more troubling if people didn't discuss these kinds of issues.

What ssues? It's just people who dislike Tiffany trying to make her out to be some sex pest praying on Scotty T when he was more than consensual.

There's no issues to speak of when it comes to Tiff's, Jeremy's and Scotty's actions on that night. They all had fun and it was all consensual, nothing more nothing less.

[Cherie]

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[Niamh.]

Should Jeremy be ejected for pulling down Scotty ts shorts the same night? :think:

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[Vanessa]

Should Jeremy be ejected for pulling down Scotty ts shorts the same night? :think:

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He has done much worse to him and got away with it. I guess if Scotty complains he will be in trouble. :hehe:

[kirklancaster]

What ssues? It's just people who dislike Tiffany trying to make her out to be some sex pest praying on Scotty T when he was more than consensual.

There's no issues to speak of when it comes to Tiff's, Jeremy's and Scotty's actions on that night. They all had fun and it was all consensual, nothing more nothing less.

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Tiffany knows that it's best to leave the birds to play with their bushes and enjoy a cock in the hand. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

'If Tiff was a man'.......

She'd be whupping Tyson's Fury's ass and taking the belts from him. :laugh:

[jaxie]

What ssues? It's just people who dislike Tiffany trying to make her out to be some sex pest praying on Scotty T when he was more than consensual.

There's no issues to speak of when it comes to Tiff's, Jeremy's and Scotty's actions on that night. They all had fun and it was all consensual, nothing more nothing less.

I meant about the potential double standards in how people respond to Tiffany saying something in the diary room that is quite inappropriate and someone like Ken. I found it just as sleazy both times.

[White_L10N]

What ssues? It's just people who dislike Tiffany trying to make her out to be some sex pest praying on Scotty T when he was more than consensual.

There's no issues to speak of when it comes to Tiff's, Jeremy's and Scotty's actions on that night. They all had fun and it was all consensual, nothing more nothing less.

A few people have pointed out Winston is seen as pervy because his advances aren't reciprocated. Darren has said he was uncomfortable with her advances. So it wasn't consensual or acceptable to him. Technically that means Tiff is a perv aswell if we're following the logic here.

It doesn't even matter if its consensual or not. The point of the whole thread is that if she was a man she would be seen as a perv or seedy. Its a double standard. I don't think what Tiff has done is wrong. But in that respect why do we see Winston as wrong. You see what I'm saying..