Steph was set up last night

[hot2go]

Comparing Stephs defensive behaviour with Danielas destructive behaviour at the same age makes no sense. Steph was just fighting back. Daniela was destructive on a massive scale and addicted to cocaine. Steph was just reacting to being nominated and doing so by laughing about it and being funny. It was the others who turned it sour not Steph. Gemma started saying that Steph was out of control and saying she was too scared to be around her. Oh Really ? Since when ? ! That's when it kicked off....the people in the kitchen went in on Steph not the other way round.
Around the same time Dani started challenging Steph in front of everyone instead of taking to her to one side. Big mistake. Surely Dani knows better than to do that. Surely she knows from her own experience not to do that. And def not to do that in front of Gemma because Steph would feel ganged up on again and Gemma would love it. And she did love it, she had a ring side seat again and Dani was played like a fiddle again.
Stephs reaction was to laugh in the face of the noms and thumb her nose at BB, it was funny .... she didn't start crying or isolate herself from everyone like others have, she was having a laugh and winding the others up....it was the people in the kitchen who were the miserable ones not Steph....they created the situation that followed not Steph.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its simple female jealousy, horrible to see but very real. Dani is old and haggard, Steph is youthful and free and has lots of male attention. Spiteful, bitter jealousy

[rionablue]

Dani might have handled it wrong by not taking her aside but she has had one on ones with her where she has tried to advise her about the Jeremy situation and Steph wouldn't listen. I really don't think Dani is jealous of Steph what I do think is that Dani genuinely doesn't want Steph to head down the horrible dirty road Dani herself headed down. I think the quote 'if you continue like this you will never work again' may have been way over the top BUT Dani must have thought that if she said THAT maybe THEN Steph would listen. Im sick of Steph. I have blown hot and cold on Dani but I seriously think her heart is in the right place

[Visage]

Dani might have handled it wrong by not taking her aside but she has had one on ones with her where she has tried to advise her about the Jeremy situation and Steph wouldn't listen.


She may have tried to talk to Steph on a one to one a few times, but if Daniella had anything about her or was remotely concerned with Steph then she should know better (through experience and age) than to publicly make Steph feel humiliated or even worse ganged upon.

The way Daniella spoke to Steph in front of everyone was wrong on so many levels, if the thought process was to try and help Steph.

[hot2go]

Dani might have handled it wrong by not taking her aside but she has had one on ones with her where she has tried to advise her about the Jeremy situation and Steph wouldn't listen. I really don't think Dani is jealous of Steph what I do think is that Dani genuinely doesn't want Steph to head down the horrible dirty road Dani herself headed down. I think the quote 'if you continue like this you will never work again' may have been way over the top BUT Dani must have thought that if she said THAT maybe THEN Steph would listen. Im sick of Steph. I have blown hot and cold on Dani but I seriously think her heart is in the right place

I understand that you think Dani means well and you are probably right
...I like her myself....but I think she is wrong to compare Steph with herself....there is no comparison at all....Dani was a human train crash with a drug addiction so bad her nose fell off, she was twice admitted to a high dependency drying out clinic and once sectioned.....she lost her family, her friends and ended up homeless.....she is herself a very vulnerable person like Steph but it's unfair of her to make any comparison between herself and Steph because there isn't one.
Steph was monumentally attacked and insulted 3 times last night...first put up for eviction by the housemates who had refused to do the task....then accused of being the same wreck as Dani at her age.....then, behind her back, accused of being out of control and too intimidating for the others to go to bed, by Gemma.
It's so awful it's hard to believe....and ironically it's Steph who looks like the bad guy in this story.

[jet]

Steph is behaving very erratically and unpredictably which is why the other HM's are uneasy. This is a 23 year old woman. If she's not jumping around like an 8 yr old (which is embarrassing to watch) she is screeching and raving and crying or in bed with Jeremy, cheating on her boyfriend. She went into the BB house to try to repair her reputation after her sacking from Hollyoaks and all we are seeing is the continuation of her downward spiral. The girl isn't well, and I don't find her demise entertaining at all.
That's the strain they all have to live with, and it is clearly getting to them all. They have tried talking calmly to her, but she never listens. Dani lost it with her, but she's allowed to make mistakes too. You can make them at any age, at any time. Having experience doesn't make anyone perfect.

[hot2go]

It's like watching two cats chuck a little mouse around...enjoying the distress they're giving it before one finally goes in for kill while the other one sits and watches

[jet]

I understand that you think Dani means well and you are probably right
...I like her myself....but I think she is wrong to compare Steph with herself....there is no comparison at all....Dani was a human train crash with a drug addiction so bad her nose fell off, she was twice admitted to a high dependency drying out clinic and once sectioned.....she lost her family, her friends and ended up homeless.....she is herself a very vulnerable person like Steph but it's unfair of her to make any comparison between herself and Steph because there isn't one.
Steph was monumentally attacked and insulted 3 times last night...first put up for eviction by the housemates who had refused to do the task....then accused of being the same wreck as Dani at her age.....then, behind her back, accused of being out of control and too intimidating for the others to go to bed, by Gemma.
It's so awful it's hard to believe....and ironically it's Steph who looks like the bad guy in this story.

You are exaggerating there. Gemma said she didn't want to go into the bedroom because Steph was yelling and screeching and it didn't look like it was going to end any time soon. What is wrong with that?

[waterhog]

Dani might have handled it wrong by not taking her aside but she has had one on ones with her where she has tried to advise her about the Jeremy situation and Steph wouldn't listen. I really don't think Dani is jealous of Steph what I do think is that Dani genuinely doesn't want Steph to head down the horrible dirty road Dani herself headed down. I think the quote 'if you continue like this you will never work again' may have been way over the top BUT Dani must have thought that if she said THAT maybe THEN Steph would listen. Im sick of Steph. I have blown hot and cold on Dani but I seriously think her heart is in the right place

as normal - I am right behind you rionablue - she done it because she has been there and got the tshirt - and like you say - she can see it clearly.

Daniella went up from last nights show in my estimation.

( don't worry I wont propose - well not yet anyway :joker:)

[rionablue]

I understand that you think Dani means well and you are probably right
...I like her myself....but I think she is wrong to compare Steph with herself....there is no comparison at all....Dani was a human train crash with a drug addiction so bad her nose fell off, she was twice admitted to a high dependency drying out clinic and once sectioned.....she lost her family, her friends and ended up homeless.....she is herself a very vulnerable person like Steph but it's unfair of her to make any comparison between herself and Steph because there isn't one.
Steph was monumentally attacked and insulted 3 times last night...first put up for eviction by the housemates who had refused to do the task....then accused of being the same wreck as Dani at her age.....then, behind her back, accused of being out of control and too intimidating for the others to go to bed, by Gemma.
It's so awful it's hard to believe....and ironically it's Steph who looks like the bad guy in this story.

I never heard anyone say she was like Dani I must have missed that part. I genuinely don't think Dani or anyone else was accusing Steph as being the SAME as Dani at that age because if they were or did that was not right. Steph is a complete and utter mess. I cant stand Collins so I am not even going to talk about here as she is a patronising bitch but maybe I am gullible when I still think that Dani (even though she handled the situation all wrong) was trying to warn Steph that if she continued the way she was going her credibility would be gone. And I thought the only housemate who refused to go into that room when asked was Darren. It looks like Stephs ONLY friend in the house is Jeremy SPECIALLY when Scotty has turned on her

[rionablue]

Steph is behaving very erratically and unpredictably which is why the other HM's are uneasy. This is a 23 year old woman. If she's not jumping around like an 8 yr old (which is embarrassing to watch) she is screeching and raving and crying or in bed with Jeremy, cheating on her boyfriend. She went into the BB house to try to repair her reputation after her sacking from Hollyoaks and all we are seeing is the continuation of her downward spiral. The girl isn't well, and I don't find her demise entertaining at all.
That's the strain they all have to live with, and it is clearly getting to them all. They have tried talking calmly to her, but she never listens. Dani lost it with her, but she's allowed to make mistakes too. You can make them at any age, at any time. Having experience doesn't make anyone perfect.

Excellent post Jet and I agree

[Visage]

Having experience doesn't make anyone perfect.

Of course it doesn't, but it does have something at the very least.

I like Daniella and I was hoping to see a much happier person than we are seeing. I believe Daniella has many demons that she's battling with too and I can truly believe how difficult it would be to live with someone like Steph.

However Daniella has spoken out loud about Steph's behaviour - it didn't change Steph

Daniella has taken Steph to one side (so we're being told) a few times - it didn't change Steph.

Daniella then has another go at Steph in front of the housemates and to back Daniella's point, she said "I'm only saying what the rest of the housemates have been saying behind your back" - Is that really the best way to get a point across? No, it feels like the whole house is against Steph - hence Steph's continuation into another meltdown.

I'm not making excuses for Steph, but I'm also not in favour of how most of the housemates have dealt with it all.

[cfromhx02]

If Steph has been set up last night,then hasn't Tiff also been set up by BB too but kept being given a positive light and sell by BB Footage and BOTS talk of her ?

[hot2go]

They have tried talking calmly to her, but she never listens. .

I agree, they have tried talking to her , but do they have a right to ? Maybe Dani, in private, but no way should Steph be told what to do by Gemma who never does anything she's told to do.
The other housemates are assuming the role of BB and thinking they can tell her what to do and they really can't....Steph is acting out just like Tiffany is acting out....she's no more out of control in those moments then Tiffany in hers....in fact Tiffany was way more angry and out of control last night, and rightfully so too.....yet neither Gemma or Dani confronted her....or, like John did, comforted her either.
Steph is being picked out and isolated by the group and then Ganged up on....apparently that's not bullying, but what do I know, I always thought those things were

[chuff me dizzy]

Absolutely set up !! Felt very sorry for Steph

[cfromhx02]

This is not about my usual criticism of Tiff which I still cannot understand why that keeps being ignored on BOTS and BB etc Rylan even said "let's not talk about that" when trying to avoid it last night,but I'll sat no more about it.

What I can't understand is other things about Tiff but she still gets support.

She tells us she is a fighter but almost every time someone upsets her she runs away and cries or recently threatens to leave the house.

She also was praised on BOTS last night for her bitches in the diary room the person praising her told us they are normally just in the diary room but praised her for them.Normally on BB if someone just bitches in the dairy room and daren't outside most of the time then that is frowned upon and they are seen as not as entertaining as those who normally dare to bitch in front of people.

So Tiff by normally running away proving she's not the fighter she says - so lies and normally just bitching in the DR not daring to in front of people - that surely should be seen as not as entertaining as if she dared to go out and normally bitch to their faces.

So why is it Tiff still gets this support,though,never mind,it's just mainly online and in the hardcore BB people in crowd (although about half and half with them cos lot of boos in crowd for Tiff at last eviction) but the mass Majority of BB s audience aren't online or in crowd,on BOTS etc and they probably will not support Tiff to same level for these things.

I'm still not getting why she gets the support though.She does two things which I said normally put people off contestants and Rylan said "let's not talk about that" so check that out and try and find out what he meant by it.What have BB been trying to cover up.

[hot2go]

I never heard anyone say she was like Dani I must have missed that part. I genuinely don't think Dani or anyone else was accusing Steph as being the SAME as Dani at that age

It's sad and a mess but Dani did say that....on the live feed two nights ago the last 10 minutes of the show was Dani sat in bed telling all the others in the room that Steph is just like she was at that age and is heading for a life of destruction just like her.....that she is self destructive and is def going to ruin her life....that's a huge accusation and assumption ....especially to say to John and Darren who know exactly how bad Dani used to be ....that's a bad picture to paint of Steph....I understand why Steph feels so defensive all time and why she lashes out.....it must be so frustrating to know that there is a pack mentality taking place against you and that because of their ages their version of the story will be better than hers.

[hot2go]

This is not about my usual criticism of Tiff which I still cannot understand why that keeps being ignored on BOTS and BB etc Rylan even said "let's not talk about that" when trying to avoid it last night,but I'll sat no more about it.

What I can't understand is other things about Tiff but she still gets support.

She tells us she is a fighter but almost every time someone upsets her she runs away and cries or recently threatens to leave the house.

She also was praised on BOTS last night for her bitches in the diary room the person praising her told us they are normally just in the diary room but praised her for them.Normally on BB if someone just bitches in the dairy room and daren't outside most of the time then that is frowned upon and they are seen as not as entertaining as those who normally dare to bitch in front of people.

So Tiff by normally running away proving she's not the fighter she says - so lies and normally just bitching in the DR not daring to in front of people - that surely should be seen as not as entertaining as if she dared to go out and normally bitch to their faces.

So why is it Tiff still gets this support,though,never mind,it's just mainly online and in the hardcore BB people in crowd (although about half and half with them cos lot of boos in crowd for Tiff at last eviction) but the mass Majority of BB s audience aren't online or in crowd,on BOTS etc and they probably will not support Tiff to same level for these things.

I'm still not getting why she gets the support though.She does two things which I said normally put people off contestants and Rylan said "let's not talk about that" so check that out and try and find out what he meant by it.What have BB been trying to cover up.

I couldn't agree more but maybe copy and paste your post and start a thread for Tiffany....this thread is def about Steph so you're strong points may be lost

[ebandit]

embrace the joy........stephs laugh is great.........hearing she was nominated

best of all when she fell about watching HM's drink cocktails..........

all HM's are set up to a certain extent by the BB environment/production

Mark L

[jet]

I agree, they have tried talking to her , but do they have a right to ? Maybe Dani, in private, but no way should Steph be told what to do by Gemma who never does anything she's told to do.
The other housemates are assuming the role of BB and thinking they can tell her what to do and they really can't....Steph is acting out just like Tiffany is acting out....she's no more out of control in those moments then Tiffany in hers....in fact Tiffany was way more angry and out of control last night, and rightfully so too.....yet neither Gemma or Dani confronted her....or, like John did, comforted her either.
Steph is being picked out and isolated by the group and then Ganged up on....apparently that's not bullying, but what do I know, I always thought those things were

As far as I remember the only time Gemma has said anything to Steph about it was quite a while ago when she said outright "you've got a boyfriend and you're cheating on him" - and this was after the HM's had already tackled Steph about it. I don't think she has spoken to Steph about it again.
The fact that you bring Gemma up in every post as the root of all evil and when she isn't even involved in the incident being discussed diminishes the impact of your words as an obvious bias used that often just gets tiresome. For example, according to you, every negative word or action from Dani is Gemma's fault. I've seen Dani before plenty of times in other programmes, and she is impulsive and outspoken and can be nasty at times and Gemma has been nowhere in sight. I don't particularly like Dani, but I think last night she was at the end of her tether, in a bad mood, and that laid to her outburst.
Last nights problem was between Steph and Dani. Gemma had little or nothing to do with it.

[chuff me dizzy]

As far as I remember the only time Gemma has said anything to Steph about it was quite a while ago when she said outright "you've got a boyfriend and you're cheating on him" - and this was after the HM's had already tackled Steph about it. I don't think she has spoken to Steph about it again.
The fact that you bring Gemma up in every post as the root of all evil and when she isn't even involved in the incident being discussed diminishes the impact of your words as an obvious bias used that often just gets tiresome. For example, according to you, every negative word or action from Dani is Gemma's fault. I've seen Dani before plenty of times in other programmes, and she is impulsive and outspoken and can be nasty at times and Gemma has been nowhere in sight. I don't particularly like Dani, but I think last night she was at the end of her tether, in a bad mood, and that laid to her outburst.
Last nights problem was between Steph and Dani. Gemma had little or nothing to do with it.

Gemma has loaded the gun for all the others to fire, sneaky fat cow

[jet]

Gemma has loaded the gun for all the others to fire, sneaky fat cow

That's John's role and he loves it. He wouldn't be happy to hear that Gemma is getting the credit. :nono:

[chuff me dizzy]

That's John's role and he loves it. He wouldn't be happy to hear that Gemma is getting the credit. :nono:

Is it chuff John doing that :idc:

[Amy Jade]

I thought Danniella was wrong last night, Steph obviously has issues but I don't think she has addictions like Danniella does so I fail to see a comparison between the two.

Steph got fired from Hollyoaks but she's young and talented - I think it was wrong for Danniella to tell her she wouldn't get work as that was clearly something that worries Steph. I don't think Danniella did it because she cares either, she just wanted to snipe imo, most of the others had been slagging off Steph and she thinks she's the one who should confront her because she thinks she's 'real' and 'says it as it is'.

As for being set up I think she was set up by Big Brother, it was obvious who would be the toxic housemates and who would be allowed to nominate, Gemma was even exempt from being picked so she had a free pass.

[hot2go]

Gemma has loaded the gun for all the others to fire, sneaky fat cow

That's my, tiresome, point....Gemma hasn't said hardly anything to Steph compared to Dani....that's the difference, Dani has said it up front and to Steph, Gemma has said loads more but always to the others and behind Stephs back....the reason Gemmas name features in so many peoples posts about other housemates is because Gemma is always in the epi centre of all the trouble in the house ...mostly as a smiling assassin who, as chuff just pointed out, loads the gun then sits back and watches her minions fire the f-cker
It's impossible for me to defend Steph and NOT bring Gemma into the discussion because Gemma is the one who is instigating each and every attack that's taking place against Steph....but she does it in a way that fools others into thinking she's not involved....

[chuff me dizzy]

That's my, tiresome, point....Gemma hasn't said hardly anything to Steph compared to Dani....that's the difference, Dani has said it up front and to Steph, Gemma has said loads more but always to the others and behind Stephs back....the reason Gemmas name features in so many peoples posts about other housemates is because Gemma is always in the epi centre of all the trouble in the house ...mostly as a smiling assassin who, as chuff just pointed out, loads the gun then sits back and watches her minions fire the f-cker
It's impossible for me to defend Steph and NOT bring Gemma into the discussion because Gemma is the one who is instigating each and every attack that's taking place against Steph....but she does it in a way that fools others into thinking she's not involved....

All true ,John gets labelled the house back stabber but its not him,its Gemma the smiling assassin

[Tarryn]

I just don't know how anyone can defend Steph.
She is vile. A spoilt little girl who needs everybody to baby her.
Jeremy is not her potential boyfriend but he is now her carer.
She would have happily let Jeremy end his time in BB & walk out with her last night without a second thought for him.
She only cares about herself. She is one of the most selfish people I think I have ever seen.
Danniella was right to tell her what she thought of her. It must be so draining having to put up with a 22 year old girl with the mentality of a toddler.
I don't think though that Danniella is doing it out of love for Stephanie I just think she is trying to sugar-coat her hatred of her.

[jet]

That's my, tiresome, point....Gemma hasn't said hardly anything to Steph compared to Dani....that's the difference, Dani has said it up front and to Steph, Gemma has said loads more but always to the others and behind Stephs back....the reason Gemmas name features in so many peoples posts about other housemates is because Gemma is always in the epi centre of all the trouble in the house ...mostly as a smiling assassin who, as chuff just pointed out, loads the gun then sits back and watches her minions fire the f-cker
It's impossible for me to defend Steph and NOT bring Gemma into the discussion because Gemma is the one who is instigating each and every attack that's taking place against Steph....but she does it in a way that fools others into thinking she's not involved....

If you know so much about this, give the details of how Gemma instigated each and every attack. Just saying it without the evidence doesn't mean its true.
You could start with last night and work your way back...

[jet]

All true ,John gets labelled the house back stabber but its not him,its Gemma the smiling assassin

Funny he is named as the house **** stirrer on BoTS, even a friend of his said it with a laugh. And Gillian said it too.He even gave his **** a stir before handing it back to her. :hehe:
All that doesn't come out of nowhere. But I guess they are all wrong and you're right. :laugh:

[MrWong]

That's John's role and he loves it. He wouldn't be happy to hear that Gemma is getting the credit. :nono:

He admitted as much to Gillian during therapy.

Did you miss that bit Chuff?

[hot2go]

I just don't know how anyone can defend Steph.
She is vile. A spoilt little girl who needs everybody to baby her.
Jeremy is not her potential boyfriend but he is now her carer.
She would have happily let Jeremy end his time in BB & walk out with her last night without a second thought for him.
She only cares about herself. She is one of the most selfish people I think I have ever seen.
Danniella was right to tell her what she thought of her. It must be so draining having to put up with a 22 year old girl with the mentality of a toddler.
I don't think though that Danniella is doing it out of love for Stephanie I just think she is trying to sugar-coat her hatred of her.

Another assumption, fantasy, whatever, that you KNOW Steph would let Jeremy end his time in the house to support her...you know no such thing at all....just like the woman who said the same thing on bbots doesn't know either....

Steph didn't say that, Jeremy did....and if there's one thing I'm certain of, if Jeremy does decide to leave with her, neither Steph, the others or a herd of wild horses would stop him......he is no ones mug....
For all we know, or you know, the reason Steph stayed could be BECAUSE Jeremy said he would leave with her.....how do you know how all that panned out, we only saw a few minutes of it.

[Beso]

That's my, tiresome, point....Gemma hasn't said hardly anything to Steph compared to Dani....that's the difference, Dani has said it up front and to Steph, Gemma has said loads more but always to the others and behind Stephs back....the reason Gemmas name features in so many peoples posts about other housemates is because Gemma is always in the epi centre of all the trouble in the house ...mostly as a smiling assassin who, as chuff just pointed out, loads the gun then sits back and watches her minions fire the f-cker
It's impossible for me to defend Steph and NOT bring Gemma into the discussion because Gemma is the one who is instigating each and every attack that's taking place against Steph....but she does it in a way that fools others into thinking she's not involved....

So sitting not saying a word as steph and danniella go at it is now classed as instigating an attack.:joker:

Steph made a fool of herself just like she has for the past three weeks.

She is so pathetic, acting up and speaking at the cameras claiming to be entertaining..what a deluded idiot.

[chuff me dizzy]

Funny he is named as the house **** stirrer on BoTS, even a friend of his said it with a laugh. And Gillian said it too.He even gave his **** a stir before handing it back to her. :hehe:
All that doesn't come out of nowhere. But I guess they are all wrong and you're right. :laugh:

Right, so stupid Gillian said it so that makes it a fact ....seriously ?

[Tarryn]

Another assumption, fantasy, whatever, that you KNOW Steph would let Jeremy end his time in the house to support her...you know no such thing at all....just like the woman who said the same thing on bbots doesn't know either....

Steph didn't say that, Jeremy did....and if there's one thing I'm certain of, if Jeremy does decide to leave with her, neither Steph, the others or a herd of wild horses would stop him......he is no ones mug....
For all we know, or you know, the reason Steph stayed could be BECAUSE Jeremy said he would leave with her.....how do you know how all that panned out, we only saw a few minutes of it.

Most of these threads are assumptions as we don't get to watch 24 hours a day.
I did not see Steph once try to stop Jeremy from leaving with her.
Nice try at an argument though, keep trying..............

[MrWong]

Right, so stupid Gillian said it so that makes it a fact ....seriously ?

John agreed. Stupid John eh.

[Beso]

Most of these threads are assumptions as we don't get to watch 24 hours a day.
I did not see Steph once try to stop Jeremy from leaving with her.
Nice try at an argument though, keep trying..............

she even went onto the diary room and told big brother that her and jezz want to leave, poor lad didn't want to leave at all but she was willing to bring him down with her..not very nice at all.

[hot2go]

All true ,John gets labelled the house back stabber but its not him,its Gemma the smiling assassin

Chuff, try and steer away from John if you can, cause this thread is for Steph and people will divert the attention of positive support for Steph by focusing on another house mate ....it's the way they play ....this thread will very quickly no longer be about Streph but instead will be a negative thread about John....they're clever....hope you don't mind me asking

[hot2go]

My own fault chuff...I made ref to him early on,...

[chuff me dizzy]

Chuff, try and steer away from John if you can, cause this thread is for Steph and people will divert the attention of positive support for Steph by focusing on another house mate ....it's the way they play ....this thread will very quickly no longer be about Streph but instead will be a negative thread about John....they're clever....hope you don't mind me asking

Not in the slightest my lovely xx Steph has been treat disgustingly in the house and on here

[jet]

Right, so stupid Gillian said it so that makes it a fact ....seriously ?

He admitted it! :laugh: And did you forget about BOTS and his friend?

[hot2go]

Most of these threads are assumptions as we don't get to watch 24 hours a day.
I did not see Steph once try to stop Jeremy from leaving with her.
Nice try at an argument though, keep trying..............

Most of these threads aren't assumptions at all....most people use real facts to support what they say ....you have no facts to support what you said about Steph and Jeremy leaving the house ...

[rusticgal]

Steph set herself up last night. She instigated the whole argument by telling the other housemates the house is boring...they were boring and that she was giving all the entertainment. Considering her 'entertainment' has meant the housemates have had to endure her tears and guilt and constant hypocrisy and let the situation dominate the house...the fact the other housemates have constantly offered words of advice only for her to ignore them.
Her comments were a smack in the teeth and that's why it kicked off.

[hot2go]

Not in the slightest my lovely xx Steph has been treat disgustingly in the house and on here

Thank you :thumbs:

[chuff me dizzy]

Steph set herself up last night. She instigated the whole argument by telling the other housemates the house is boring...they were boring and that she was giving all the entertainment. Considering her 'entertainment' has meant the housemates have had to endure her tears and guilt and constant hypocrisy and let the situation dominate the house...the fact the other housemates have constantly offered words of advice only for her to ignore them.
Her comments were a smack in the teeth and that's why it kicked off.

Would you be told what to do by others? I damn well wouldn't

[Tarryn]

Most of these threads aren't assumptions at all....most people use real facts to support what they say ....you have no facts to support what you said about Steph and Jeremy leaving the house ...

She sat there & said Jez & I are leaving the house !
What more proof do you need ?.
Another friend would have tried to stop him.
Instead she was happy for him to leave with her.
You can only use real facts for one hour highlights.
The other 23 hours are mostly speculation without the live feed.

[hot2go]

Steph set herself up last night. She instigated the whole argument by telling the other housemates the house is boring...they were boring and that she was giving all the entertainment. Considering her 'entertainment' has meant the housemates have had to endure her tears and guilt and constant hypocrisy and let the situation dominate the house...the fact the other housemates have constantly offered words of advice only for her to ignore them.
Her comments were a smack in the teeth and that's why it kicked off.

They were boring....they were all sat in the kitchen festering away, like mysery itself ....they felt guilty because they had swerved being able to be nominated and they knew that was totally wrong and that the others would resent how unfair it was. When actually, Steph just laughed it off and started dancing around to annoy them...I would have done the same thing .

And you are wrong about Steph saying "she has given all the entertainment" , that is Gemmas line....Steph would never be that arrogant, Steph said " she's given more entertainment then big brother could have hoped for " and she is absolutely correct, she has.

[chuff me dizzy]

They were boring....they were all sat in the kitchen festering away, like mysery itself ....they felt guilty because they had swerved being able to be nominated and they knew that was totally wrong and that the others would resent how unfair it was. When actually, Steph just laughed it off and started dancing around to annoy them...I would have done the same thing .

And you are wrong about Steph saying "she has given all the entertainment" , that is Gemmas line....Steph would never be that arrogant, Steph said " she's given more entertainment then big brother could have hoped for " and she is absolutely correct, she has.

:clap1:

[hot2go]

If you know so much about this, give the details of how Gemma instigated each and every attack. Just saying it without the evidence doesn't mean its true.
You could start with last night and work your way back...

Really I am not trying to be unfriendly but I am really not gonna justify my views on that old cows bad behaviour again....if you want to know the tsunami of proof that's flooded this forum about Gemma Collins appalling personality them I'm afraid you're gonna have to trawl through all the old posts.....it's all there....it's all true....and it's shocking

[MrWong]

If you know so much about this, give the details of how Gemma instigated each and every attack. Just saying it without the evidence doesn't mean its true.
You could start with last night and work your way back...

Good luck with that :thumbs:

[Beso]

Really I am not trying to be unfriendly but I am really not gonna justify my views on that old cows bad behaviour again....if you want to know the tsunami of proof that's flooded this forum about Gemma Collins appalling personality them I'm afraid you're gonna have to trawl through all the old posts.....it's all there....it's all true....and it's shocking

Gemma's done nothing but show class.

The one with the horrid personality is steph, such a lowlife scrubber compared to gemma's mild mannered and polite ways.

[hot2go]

She sat there & said Jez & I are leaving the house !
What more proof do you need ?.
Another friend would have tried to stop him.
Instead she was happy for him to leave with her.
You can only use real facts for one hour highlights.
The other 23 hours are mostly speculation without the live feed.

How do you know she didn't try and stop him....and how do you know she was happy about it ? You really, really don't.
There could have hours of deep discussion between the two of them before the conclusion that we were privy to was shown.
You are making assumptions

[rusticgal]

They were boring....they were all sat in the kitchen festering away, like mysery itself ....they felt guilty because they had swerved being able to be nominated and they knew that was totally wrong and that the others would resent how unfair it was. When actually, Steph just laughed it off and started dancing around to annoy them...I would have done the same thing .

And you are wrong about Steph saying "she has given all the entertainment" , that is Gemmas line....Steph would never be that arrogant, Steph said " she's given more entertainment then big brother could have hoped for " and she is absolutely correct, she has.


Play it back....she said it.
She hasn't given entertainment she's given us a bore fest. BB seems to love this crap and everything revolves around it...EVERYTHING. If we didn't have the showmances there would have been other issues stirred up but unfortunately everything has had to revolve around them two..tasks etc etc.
Steph is one selfish person...everything is about her. Not once has she shown concern or thought for anyone else...all she does is sit and think about herself...what SHE needs...how SHE looks...selfish needy brat.

[bots]

Play it back....she said it.
She hasn't given entertainment she's given us a bore fest. BB seems to love this crap and everything revolves around it...EVERYTHING. If we didn't have the showmances there would have been other issues stirred up but unfortunately everything has had to revolve around them two..tasks etc etc.
Steph is one selfish person...everything is about her. Not once has she shown concern or thought for anyone else...all she does is sit and think about herself...what SHE needs...how SHE looks...selfish needy brat.

That applies equally to the whole lot of them. I think this is probably the first BB where there hasn't been any genuine warmth between any of the housemates (showmances excepted) I've never seen a more thoroughly unlikeable bunch.

[rusticgal]

Would you be told what to do by others? I damn well wouldn't



No I wouldn't but Steph has craved attention from the minute she walked in the house.
SHE has gone crying to the other housemates when she started to realise what she was doing wasn't good... It's because she was wracked with guilt they offered her advice...and then threw herself back into bed with Jeremy....then when the next rush of guilt came she was in tears...even Jeremy said he was sick of the tears and when everyone gave her wise words of advice and comforted her she promptly threw it back in there faces.
Everyone has tried to help her in her 'trauma' and she's never shown any appreciation.

[rusticgal]

That applies equally to the whole lot of them. I think this is probably the first BB where there hasn't been any genuine warmth between any of the housemates (showmances excepted) I've never seen a more thoroughly unlikeable bunch.


I disagree....people have supported each other from time to time...and you hear them say thanks for that..or I appreciate that.
All Steph has ever done is say "yeah yeah your right"....then go back to Jeremy.

[Patricia4]

I don't feel sorry for Steph she brings it all on herself.

[chuff me dizzy]

No I wouldn't but Steph has craved attention from the minute she walked in the house.
SHE has gone crying to the other housemates when she started to realise what she was doing wasn't good... It's because she was wracked with guilt they offered her advice...and then threw herself back into bed with Jeremy....then when the next rush of guilt came she was in tears...even Jeremy said he was sick of the tears and when everyone gave her wise words of advice and comforted her she promptly threw it back in there faces.
Everyone has tried to help her in her 'trauma' and she's never shown any appreciation.

They've ALL craved attention from the minute they walked in the house,not just Steph

[Visage]

I disagree....people have supported each other from time to time...and you hear them say thanks for that..or I appreciate that.
All Steph has ever done is say "yeah yeah your right"....then go back to Jeremy.

That sounds like Darren & John too, mainly coming from John's nomination of Darren.

Tiffany was pretty close too, telling Gillian, "yeah, yeah, you're right" about giving up the cigarettes, but soon went back to the habit.

How many housemates have said something similar to BB ("Yeah, yeah you're right, I will continue") when they want to leave the show, only to come back a few days later and want to leave again.




It's the house that's toxic

[jet]

Really I am not trying to be unfriendly but I am really not gonna justify my views on that old cows bad behaviour again....if you want to know the tsunami of proof that's flooded this forum about Gemma Collins appalling personality them I'm afraid you're gonna have to trawl through all the old posts.....it's all there....it's all true....and it's shocking

I was asking you specifically how Gemma instigated each and every attack on Stephanie - which is what you accused her of. You can't expect to make a sweeping statement like that without any facts to back it up and not expect to be challenged on it.
So from your answer it seems you have no evidence at all or you would at least have answered this question - how did she instigate the attack on her last night? That can't be too hard.

[Stormy]

Comparing Stephs defensive behaviour with Danielas destructive behaviour at the same age makes no sense. Steph was just fighting back. Daniela was destructive on a massive scale and addicted to cocaine. Steph was just reacting to being nominated and doing so by laughing about it and being funny. It was the others who turned it sour not Steph. Gemma started saying that Steph was out of control and saying she was too scared to be around her. Oh Really ? Since when ? ! That's when it kicked off....the people in the kitchen went in on Steph not the other way round.
Around the same time Dani started challenging Steph in front of everyone instead of taking to her to one side. Big mistake. Surely Dani knows better than to do that. Surely she knows from her own experience not to do that. And def not to do that in front of Gemma because Steph would feel ganged up on again and Gemma would love it. And she did love it, she had a ring side seat again and Dani was played like a fiddle again.
Stephs reaction was to laugh in the face of the noms and thumb her nose at BB, it was funny .... she didn't start crying or isolate herself from everyone like others have, she was having a laugh and winding the others up....it was the people in the kitchen who were the miserable ones not Steph....they created the situation that followed not Steph.

I totally agree. It was those sour pusses (Gemma and Daniella) that were bringing the whole thing down. Tiff's reaction was way OTT and Steph was totally having fun with it, laughing and kind of mocking Tiffany's reaction. The two witches of the house couldn't stand Steph's laughter and the fact that she wasn't 'scared' of Tiffany like they were...so the decided to take her down a peg with that pathetic remark about her career. I really can't stand Gemma and Daniella. They do remind me of the panto ugly stepsisters... jealous of the attention Steph gets from Jeremy and her laughing and having fun with Tiffany.

[chuff me dizzy]

I totally agree. It was those sour pusses (Gemma and Daniella) that were bringing the whole thing down. Tiff's reaction was way OTT and Steph was totally having fun with it, laughing and kind of mocking Tiffany's reaction. The two witches of the house couldn't stand Steph's laughter and the fact that she wasn't 'scared' of Tiffany like they were...so the decided to take her down a peg with that pathetic remark about her career. I really can't stand Gemma and Daniella. They do remind me of the panto ugly stepsisters... jealous of the attention Steph gets from Jeremy and her laughing and having fun with Tiffany.

:clap1:

[jet]

Chuff, try and steer away from John if you can, cause this thread is for Steph and people will divert the attention of positive support for Steph by focusing on another house mate ....it's the way they play ....this thread will very quickly no longer be about Streph but instead will be a negative thread about John....they're clever....hope you don't mind me asking

The same happens when you accuse a HM of being involved when they weren't - in this case Gemma. It diverts the attention of positive support for Steph by focusing on another HM who you are bashing for little reason - in this case Gemma. If that's the way you want to play then the attention will be diverted from your fave, Steph, onto the person you hate, Gemma, who will be getting positive support. That's not very clever.

[hot2go]

I was asking you specifically how Gemma instigated each and every attack on Stephanie - which is what you accused her of. You can't expect to make a sweeping statement like that without any facts to back it up and not expect to be challenged on it.
So from your answer it seems you have no evidence at all or you would at least have answered this question - how did she instigate the attack on her last night? That can't be too hard.

You must understand, that every time I explain my views on that old bag I am constantly told I have an obsession with her.....last night Gemma said she didn't want to go to bed because of the bad energy being created by the others...Steph wasn't creating a bad energy, she was having fun with it and making jokes about it and laughing about it....Gemma implied that she was scared to be around Steph.....since when ?!! Since when has she been scared of any of em ? And why should she be scared of Steph ? That's just planting seeds AGAIN in other people's minds to paint Steph in a bad way and diminish her personality....those are facts....what is not a provable fact and one we for sure won't agree on is, I believe without doubt, that when Gemma said to Dani " Dont speak to Steph when she comes in because she will kick off ".... What Gemma was really doing was putting that image out ther for people to imagine and act on...I believe, Gemma is the ring master of manipulation and manages to embroil everyone except Steph into her twisted games.....she's playing Dani like a fool...
So there is my reply you asked for....I know it's not any use to you and I know and respect your loyalty to Gemma....I like loyalty when it comes from rational and friendly people like yourself and I know you don't take my views personally...if Gemma wins next week I will actually be happy for you ...

[chuff me dizzy]

You must understand, that every time I explain my views on that old bag I am constantly told I have an obsession with her.....last night Gemma said she didn't want to go to bed because of the bad energy being created by the others...Steph wasn't creating a bad energy, she was having fun with it and making jokes about it and laughing about it....Gemma implied that she was scared to be around Steph.....since when ?!! Since when has she been scared of any of em ? And why should she be scared of Steph ? That's just planting seeds AGAIN in other people's minds to paint Steph in a bad way and diminish her personality....those are facts....what is not a provable fact and one we for sure won't agree on is, I believe without doubt, that when Gemma said to Dani " Dont speak to Steph when she comes in because she will kick off ".... What Gemma was really doing was putting that image out ther for people to imagine and act on...I believe, Gemma is the ring master of manipulation and manages to embroil everyone except Steph into her twisted games.....she's playing Dani like a fool...
So there is my reply you asked for....I know it's not any use to you and I know and respect your loyalty to Gemma....I like loyalty when it comes from rational and friendly people like yourself and I know you don't take my views personally...if Gemma wins next week I will actually be happy for you ...

:worship:

[rocket]

I totally agree. It was those sour pusses (Gemma and Daniella) that were bringing the whole thing down. Tiff's reaction was way OTT and Steph was totally having fun with it, laughing and kind of mocking Tiffany's reaction. The two witches of the house couldn't stand Steph's laughter and the fact that she wasn't 'scared' of Tiffany like they were...so the decided to take her down a peg with that pathetic remark about her career. I really can't stand Gemma and Daniella. They do remind me of the panto ugly stepsisters... jealous of the attention Steph gets from Jeremy and her laughing and having fun with Tiffany.

Excellent post...but add John to the two witches..he is vile and vindictive too..

[jet]

You must understand, that every time I explain my views on that old bag I am constantly told I have an obsession with her.....last night Gemma said she didn't want to go to bed because of the bad energy being created by the others...Steph wasn't creating a bad energy, she was having fun with it and making jokes about it and laughing about it....Gemma implied that she was scared to be around Steph.....since when ?!! Since when has she been scared of any of em ? And why should she be scared of Steph ? That's just planting seeds AGAIN in other people's minds to paint Steph in a bad way and diminish her personality....those are facts....what is not a provable fact and one we for sure won't agree on is, I believe without doubt, that when Gemma said to Dani " Dont speak to Steph when she comes in because she will kick off ".... What Gemma was really doing was putting that image out ther for people to imagine and act on...I believe, Gemma is the ring master of manipulation and manages to embroil everyone except Steph into her twisted games.....she's playing Dani like a fool...
So there is my reply you asked for....I know it's not any use to you and I know and respect your loyalty to Gemma....I like loyalty when it comes from rational and friendly people like yourself and I know you don't take my views personally...if Gemma wins next week I will actually be happy for you ...

But those are not the FACTS. Steph instigated it when Dani was called to the diary room to nom by saying "It will probably be me and Jez even though we're the best crack". When Steph and Tiff were in the bedroom carrying on John walks into the kitchen shaking his head and goes up to Gemma and Dani.....

JOHN: "It's just horrendous in there right now"
JOHN: "It's ridiculous saying they're the most entertaining"
JOHN:"Why am I up for nomination".
GEMMA: "I'm stressed right now".
DANI: Is this Tiff?
JOHN: No, Stephanie.

Sounds of Tiff shouting in the bedroom.
Gemma: I don't want to walk into that bedroom, and that's not me.

Later Tiff is yelling loudly in the garden:
Gemma: Please if she walks in here don't say anything. (She was referring to Tiff, Steph was already entering the room when Gemma says this.)

Then Steph says something and that is when Dani said about her not working again. Gemma hasn't said a word and didn't say a word during the argument.

When Steph is going mental trying to get out:
Gemma: Who's that smashing up....(Inaudible) (She wouldn't have known if it was Tiff or Steph')
Dani: It's her.
John: This is upsetting!

Later: The camera shows Tiff grumbling and striding about the garden and the camera cuts to -
Gemma: I'm not going to speak to her tomorrow....I don't want to sleep in there.

Those are the FACTS of the scenes Gemma was involved in. Anyone can watch them as evidence. Gemma never said don't speak to Steph because 'it will kick off'. You put those words into her mouth. Gemma didn't say or imply she was scared of Steph - she was talking about Tiff - and much as I love Tiff, she WAS yelling and screeching. Gemma did NOTHING wrong to Steph.
Dani said plenty, and John said stuff, Gemma did not.
So it's unfair and wrong to surmise anything. Those are the FACTS.

I don't like posting anything unless I have the facts straight, so it bothers me when things are misinterpreted to fit in with what people want to believe.
So watch out for big bad Jet the fact checker. :fist: :hehe:

[hot2go]

But those are not the FACTS. Steph instigated it when Dani was called to the diary room to nom by saying "It will probably be me and Jez even though we're the best crack". When Steph and Tiff were in the bedroom carrying on John walks into the kitchen shaking his head and goes up to Gemma and Dani.....

JOHN: "It's just horrendous in there right now"
JOHN: "It's ridiculous saying they're the most entertaining"
JOHN:"Why am I up for nomination".
GEMMA: "I'm stressed right now".
DANI: Is this Tiff?
JOHN: No, Stephanie.

Sounds of Tiff shouting in the bedroom.
Gemma: I don't want to walk into that bedroom, and that's not me.

Later Tiff is yelling loudly in the garden:
Gemma: Please if she walks in here don't say anything. (She was referring to Tiff, Steph was already entering the room when Gemma says this.)

Then Steph says something and that is when Dani said about her not working again. Gemma hasn't said a word and didn't say a word during the argument.

When Steph is going mental trying to get out:
Gemma: Who's that smashing up....(Inaudible) (She wouldn't have known if it was Tiff or Steph')
Dani: It's her.
John: This is upsetting!

Later: The camera shows Tiff grumbling and striding about the garden and the camera cuts to -
Gemma: I'm not going to speak to her tomorrow....I don't want to sleep in there.

Those are the FACTS of the scenes Gemma was involved in. Anyone can watch them as evidence. Gemma never said don't speak to Steph because 'it will kick off'. You put those words into her mouth. Gemma didn't say or imply she was scared of Steph - she was talking about Tiff - and much as I love Tiff, she WAS yelling and screeching. Gemma did NOTHING wrong to Steph.
Dani said plenty, and John said stuff, Gemma did not.
So it's unfair and wrong to surmise anything. Those are the FACTS.

I don't like posting anything unless I have the facts straight, so it bothers me when things are misinterpreted to fit in with what they want to believe.
So watch out for big bad Jet the fact checker. :fist: :hehe:

That's very impressive and an accurate narration of what was said....thanks for taking the time to do that....I understand exactly how the dialogue in print looks like Gemma is innocent and you have every reasonable right to accept it on face value, especially as a fan....but myself I think it's very much open to interpretation and I think what Gemma says, or appears to say, and what Gemma actually means are two very different things....I don't agree that just because the edit shows Tiffany shouting then cuts to Gemma saying negative things about someone, that that someone was def Tiffany ...not at all....and I don't think for one minute that Gemma only had a problem with Tiffany and didn't relish the drama that was being directed at Steph by Dani.....I think we will get a clearer picture tonight when we see them reflect on it all....maybe Gemma will confirm the way it looks to you and say she only felt threatened by Tiffany.....or maybe she will confirm the way it looks to me and tell everyone that Steph was scary and that she was responsible for the bad energy in the house last night.....be kinda fun to see tonight's episode....you and me going head to head :laugh::laugh: in a clean but friendly fight :thumbs::thumbs:

[Dollface]

Steph is behaving very erratically and unpredictably which is why the other HM's are uneasy. This is a 23 year old woman. If she's not jumping around like an 8 yr old (which is embarrassing to watch) she is screeching and raving and crying or in bed with Jeremy, cheating on her boyfriend. She went into the BB house to try to repair her reputation after her sacking from Hollyoaks and all we are seeing is the continuation of her downward spiral. The girl isn't well, and I don't find her demise entertaining at all.
That's the strain they all have to live with, and it is clearly getting to them all. They have tried talking calmly to her, but she never listens. Dani lost it with her, but she's allowed to make mistakes too. You can make them at any age, at any time. Having experience doesn't make anyone perfect.

Perfectly said :clap1:

[jet]

That's very impressive and an accurate narration of what was said....thanks for taking the time to do that....I understand exactly how the dialogue in print looks like Gemma is innocent and you have every reasonable right to accept it on face value, especially as a fan....but myself I think it's very much open to interpretation and I think what Gemma says, or appears to say, and what Gemma actually means are two very different things....I don't agree that just because the edit shows Tiffany shouting then cuts to Gemma saying negative things about someone, that that someone was def Tiffany ...not at all....and I don't think for one minute that Gemma only had a problem with Tiffany and didn't relish the drama that was being directed at Steph by Dani.....I think we will get a clearer picture tonight when we see them reflect on it all....maybe Gemma will confirm the way it looks to you and say she only felt threatened by Tiffany.....or maybe she will confirm the way it looks to me and tell everyone that Steph was scary and that she was responsible for the bad energy in the house last night.....be kinda fun to see tonight's episode....you and me going head to head :laugh::laugh: in a clean but friendly fight :thumbs::thumbs:

Sorry, you've lost me. I can't have any further discussion with you if you insist on disregarding actual proof and persist in attributing sinister meanings and motives to anything Gemma does or says without any words or footage to prove it.
Reverse things here. How would you like it if I was doing the same with Steph? Attributing words and actions to her that she didn't say or do? Then you take the time to give me evidence of her innocence and I persist that what she says and means are two different things and she only looks innocent etc? Wouldn't that annoy the hell out of you? :fist:

I know Gemma isn't perfect by any means, but she is not the conniving, two faced monster she is being made out to be. When she confronted Steph about having a boyfriend to her face, she was blasted. She can't win, cos then she is accused of saying things behind her back, but I rarely see that. Dani and John do that far more. John is sneakier and more two faced than Gemma by far, yet you don't blast him. You see what you want to see, imo.
When we can only go by what we see on the screen, that is what we have to take as FACTS. Anything beyond that is only an opinion, but you persist in stating your opinions as FACTS, with no EVIDENCE, and that is what bothers me and why I can't discuss Gemma with you any more. It's too frustrating. :nono:

I'm sure I'll debate other stuff with you though. Peace and out. :hug:

[jet]

Most of these threads aren't assumptions at all....most people use real facts to support what they say ....you have no facts to support what you said about Steph and Jeremy leaving the house ...

But...but...facts don't matter, right? Steph has shown herself to be selfish and self - centred (so many posts on this forum PROVE that) so just because she didn't say it doesn't mean anything. It's OBVIOUS that she selfishly wanted him to leave with her, the self centred little bitch.

See what I did there? :joker:

[hot2go]

But...but...facts don't matter, right? Steph has shown herself to be selfish and self - centred (so many posts on this forum PROVE that) so just because she didn't say it doesn't mean anything. It's OBVIOUS that she selfishly wanted him to leave with her, the self centred little bitch.

See what I did there? :joker:

Hey, it's all good....you don't have to post me if its gonna be so frustrating ....I'm not here to do that......I don't judge you for being a fan of Gemma....I can see how youre quote above uses information as a hook to interpret what is seen in a different way....I don't doubt how others see Steph...I certainly see how others disapprove of her and Jeremy...I see Steph as vulnerable and direct and light hearted...I don't see any malice there at all.. other people see a psycho who is scheming and mean....nothing I can do will change that.
Same with Gemma....you see a good person...I see a mean unkind manipulator....I see behaviour that I have seen many times in my life before from others just like her...there is nothing anyone can say that will change my opinion, nothing....I have changed my opinion on others in the house, I have seen over the weeks cracks in their armour that tells me they are fundamentally good people underneath....but nothing will change my opinion of Gemma...I'm sorry Jet....and each time BB pander to her demands, which again I can't prove but I know, they just make me and many many others like me dislike her even more.

[hot2go]

Play it back....she said it
.

I have played it back and you are incorrect

Steph said exactly this - " Ive been up every single week, I've given you more entertainment than anything you could wish for "

That is Steph talking about her contribution to the house

Gemma said she's the ONLY ONE who's given entertainment...

That is Gemma saying she's the only one that matters....

BIG DIFFERENCE

Steff is just being truthful
Gemma is just being arrogant...

[rusticgal]

I have played it back and you are incorrect

Steph said exactly this - " Ive been up every single week, I've given you more entertainment than anything you could wish for "

That is Steph talking about her contribution to the house

Gemma said she's the ONLY ONE who's given entertainment...

That is Gemma saying she's the only one that matters....

BIG DIFFERENCE

Steff is just being truthful
Gemma is just being arrogant...

Before she said "I've been up every single week....blah blah blah she said the house was boring. Rewind a little more...

[jet]

Hey, it's all good....you don't have to post me if its gonna be so frustrating ....I'm not here to do that......I don't judge you for being a fan of Gemma....I can see how youre quote above uses information as a hook to interpret what is seen in a different way....I don't doubt how others see Steph...I certainly see how others disapprove of her and Jeremy...I see Steph as vulnerable and direct and light hearted...I don't see any malice there at all.. other people see a psycho who is scheming and mean....nothing I can do will change that.
Same with Gemma....you see a good person...I see a mean unkind manipulator....I see behaviour that I have seen many times in my life before from others just like her...there is nothing anyone can say that will change my opinion, nothing....I have changed my opinion on others in the house, I have seen over the weeks cracks in their armour that tells me they are fundamentally good people underneath....but nothing will change my opinion of Gemma...I'm sorry Jet....and each time BB pander to her demands, which again I can't prove but I know, they just make me and many many others like me dislike her even more.

I know you'll never change your opinion of Gemma. :hehe: And I wouldn't expect you too. What bothered me was that you posted things about her that didn't happen, that were untrue. :fist:
If Gemma is at fault, and the footage and her words show her at fault, and you criticized her, I wouldn't have a problem at all. If she does something bad, then she's fair game for a bashing. I just don't like things being attributed to her (or any HM) that didn't actually happen.
I'm all about the finer details. lol
So anyway, happy posting and I wish you all the best for Steph tonight. :wavey: