What do you think about political correctness?

[DemolitionRed]

PC is often used within an accusation statement on forum boards like this and its usually used to discredit a belief and disregard another poster.

What are your thoughts on political correctness?

[Kazanne]

PC is often used within an accusation statement on forum boards like this and its usually used to discredit a belief and disregard another poster.

What are your thoughts on political correctness?

PC is a barrier to how people REALLY want to express their beliefs and feelings,and can be quite dangerous.

[Anaesthesia]

I'd agree with Kazanne, we do still have a right to a freedom of speech, albeit within certain parameters. I work in an extremely multicultural office because of the necessity for language speakers, and being non-PC is all part of the office banter, nobody is offended, we all give and take and we get along just fine. I call my workplace the United Nations. (It isn't *the* United Nations)

I think if there was a need for everyone to walk on eggshells with what we did / didn't joke about it would be a very different, and not for the better, workplace. Sometimes you just don't have to take yourself so seriously.

If it becomes offensive however, it's a different matter. But in general, I'm not a fan of PC, I don't need to be told how to interact with others, I can work it out for myself.

[JoshBB]

I think political correctness is a good concept that protects minorities from verbal attacks, harassment, and it overall makes the country a much easier for people like LGBT persons to go on with their daily life without having lunatics scream insults at us.

It might seem like you are being silenced unnecessarily, but usually it only takes common sense and politeness to what should and should not be said. I respect Freedom of Speech, but for example things like the N-word are not acceptable and do not come under that.

I think a lot of far-right lunatics also mistake political correctness with the established political consensus on how we treat minorities, and usually they use 'pc' as an excuse to fake outrage that they cannot go around chanting threats anymore.

[Anaesthesia]

usually it only takes common sense and politeness to what should and should not be said.

This. No need to be told what is / isn't PC.

[Macie Lightfoot]

what's the harm in trying not to offend someone?

[Mystic Mock]

PC can be good and bad like most things in this world, it's good points are mainly to stop harassment, and prejudice against people who can't help being who they are, it's bad points are when the Government feels like it's okay to stop people from saying bah bah black Sheep because "it's racist" when if anything the establishment are being racist by reading so much into an innocent Nursery rhyme.

[DemolitionRed]

PC is a barrier to how people REALLY want to express their beliefs and feelings,and can be quite dangerous.

I think it certainly can be but then I think PC is like a buffet in that we can pick and choose what is good PC and what isn’t. For me its about good manners. Imagine if your teacher told you that you were a '******' or your doctor called you a 'cripple'.

When my mum worked as a lab technician (a long time ago) she recommended a friend to come and join their team. When she turned up for her interview her boss called through the door to my mum saying, "Bloody hell Olivia, you could of told me she's a bloody w*g".

I'm glad those days are gone and we now live in a more polite society but I think where PC runs amok is where we have to change words like disabled for "mobility challenged" or a bin man a "waste management technician" and a pipe cleaner "craft wire". I think we've gone OTT when it comes to offending people.

[DemolitionRed]

PC can be good and bad like most things in this world, it's good points are mainly to stop harassment, and prejudice against people who can't help being who they are, it's bad points are when the Government feels like it's okay to stop people from saying bah bah black Sheep because "it's racist" when if anything the establishment are being racist by reading so much into an innocent Nursery rhyme. :joker:

'The Fat Controller' is no longer fat either!

[Anaesthesia]

it's bad points are when the Government feels like it's okay to stop people from saying bah bah black Sheep because "it's racist" when if anything the establishment are being racist by reading so much into an innocent Nursery rhyme.

My son, now 20s, had to sing "Moo moo Jersey Cow, have you any milk?" At nursery :/

I'd be well pi**ed off if we came from Jersey ;)

[Lostie!]

I think too many people use the "ERMAHGERD TEH PC BRIDAGE" as an excuse to say whatever offensive, insulting things come into their heads.

But on the other hand, I think some people go to the other extreme and find almost anything potentially offensive even when it clearly isn't.

[Ninastar]

depends, sometimes I think it's needed and other times I think it's made people waaaay too OTT about some issues. People these days (not everyone, ofc) get offended by sooo many things. I think this actually does more harm than good, because it takes away from true issues, which then get seen as less important because people complain about them all the time.

Like as much as I think tumblr is a good website for young people, I also think it kind of brain washes teens/young teens into thinking that everyone is evil/if you don't think X you're Xist!!!!!/straight white men are the bane of all existence. People of tumblr claim to be non-judgmental/very PC, yet they end up hating on people anyway.

Just my thoughts.

[Jack_]

The phrases 'it's PC gone mad' and 'PC brigade' are basically just a smokescreen for 'I want to be a bigoted bastard and society won't let me wah wah wah :bawling:'

[arista]

USA Future President Trump is doing very well
being Anti PC

[arista]

PC is a barrier to how people REALLY want to express their beliefs and feelings,and can be quite dangerous.


Bang On Right Kaz

[Kizzy]

I'd say the PC police/brigade is a cry from some who use it to mask their ignorance on certain topics.

[DemolitionRed]

The phrases 'it's PC gone mad' and 'PC brigade' are basically just a smokescreen for 'I want to be a bigoted bastard and society won't let me wah wah wah :bawling:'

I agree, being offended is often used as a tactic in an argument or even a heated debate. Having to censor our expression through language restricts the message we are trying to give and so providing that language remains somewhat civil and isn't trying to jide someone into a cat fight it should be encouraged not suffocated.

[Anaesthesia]

I agree, being offended is often used as a tactic in an argument or even a heated debate. Having to censor our expression through language restricts the message we are trying to give and so providing that language remains somewhat civil and isn't trying to jide someone into a cat fight it should be encouraged not suffocated.

:clap1: language is limited in that it doesn't really, and cannot, convey the exact meaning of how we feel.

[bots]

When words are used to demean, degrade or ostracise someone, then that should be called out. All other uses of words should be acceptable.

The problem is that language is a very imprecise method of communication that is open to interpretation both by the speaker and the listener. The anti PC brigade rightly take issue when language is reduced to its most basic and useless form, a lowest common denominator that is incapable of offending anyone, because the richness, value and beauty of language is lost at that point to.

[Kazanne]

I think it certainly can be but then I think PC is like a buffet in that we can pick and choose what is good PC and what isn’t. For me its about good manners. Imagine if your teacher told you that you were a '******' or your doctor called you a 'cripple'.

When my mum worked as a lab technician (a long time ago) she recommended a friend to come and join their team. When she turned up for her interview her boss called through the door to my mum saying, "Bloody hell Olivia, you could of told me she's a bloody w*g".

I'm glad those days are gone and we now live in a more polite society but I think where PC runs amok is where we have to change words like disabled for "mobility challenged" or a bin man a "waste management technician" and a pipe cleaner "craft wire". I think we've gone OTT when it comes to offending people.

Hmm,I think people are LESS polite now in some ways,there seems to be a lack of respect for elders especially,I was brought up to ask before I left a table at meal times, to say please and thankyou,to be seen and not heard,I could never wear short skirts or make up , I cannot see kids adhereing to any of that nowadays.Say,you asked them to be quiet etc,usually all you get is mouthful of abuse even when you ask them nicely,so I don't think society is more polite,but I agree that it has stopped people being unnecessarily abusive.

[GiRTh]

I think it certainly can be but then I think PC is like a buffet in that we can pick and choose what is good PC and what isn’t. For me its about good manners. Imagine if your teacher told you that you were a '******' or your doctor called you a 'cripple'.

When my mum worked as a lab technician (a long time ago) she recommended a friend to come and join their team. When she turned up for her interview her boss called through the door to my mum saying, "Bloody hell Olivia, you could of told me she's a bloody w*g".

I'm glad those days are gone and we now live in a more polite society but I think where PC runs amok is where we have to change words like disabled for "mobility challenged" or a bin man a "waste management technician" and a pipe cleaner "craft wire". I think we've gone OTT when it comes to offending people.:clap1:

[Mystic Mock]

The phrases 'it's PC gone mad' and 'PC brigade' are basically just a smokescreen for 'I want to be a bigoted bastard and society won't let me wah wah wah :bawling:'

I agree that it sometimes can be used for that, but sometimes it can be very OTT.

It's honestly not all bad or all good, it really is like people I suppose in being merky.

[Mystic Mock]

Hmm,I think people are LESS polite now in some ways,there seems to be a lack of respect for elders especially,I was brought up to ask before I left a table at meal times, to say please and thankyou,to be seen and not heard,I could never wear short skirts or make up , I cannot see kids adhereing to any of that nowadays.Say,you asked them to be quiet etc,usually all you get is mouthful of abuse even when you ask them nicely,so I don't think society is more polite,but I agree that it has stopped people being unnecessarily abusive.

Tbf some elderly people can be right dicks for absolutely no reason other than they're older than the other person they're demeaning.

[Tom4784]

People who whine about PC are generally mad that they're getting called out on their terrible views.

Some people go OTT with it but it's generally only the bigots who'll act like they're in 1984 because of it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I always say, "well i am not a politician and not political"


PC means "i dont want to be blamed"

its bollocks

[user104658]

I'm not a huge fan of it to be honest. I get that it can "protect" people but... does it? Really? It shelters them, I suppose, if that counts.

Basically, people feeling like they are "not allowed" to say certain things or share certain views does not stop them from having those views, tucked away in their horrible little heads. They just keep them zipped up. And THAT is why I don't like it. I would like to know the unbridled opinions of anyone I meet, thankyouplease, up front and in my face, so that I can quickly decide which ones are or aren't worth my time.

There's not much worse than thinking you know someoneone and getting on alright with them, and then being suddenly confronted with the fact that they are a bigoted little arsehole undearneath the veneer. I'd rather just know from the start, so that I can say "Yeah. You're a bigoted little arsehole, kindly **** off. Bye."

That would be the real beauty of such a world. People would freely express their horrible, festering little opinions and then others would be free to rip them to ****ing shreds and laugh about it... and they couldn't start bawling about it... which is what weasly little bigots like to do, in my experience.

[Anaesthesia]

I'm not a huge fan of it to be honest. I get that it can "protect" people but... does it? Really? It shelters them, I suppose, if that counts.

Basically, people feeling like they are "not allowed" to say certain things or share certain views does not stop them from having those views, tucked away in their horrible little heads. They just keep them zipped up. And THAT is why I don't like it. I would like to know the unbridled opinions of anyone I meet, thankyouplease, up front and in my face, so that I can quickly decide which ones are or aren't worth my time.

There's not much worse than thinking you know someoneone and getting on alright with them, and then being suddenly confronted with the fact that they are a bigoted little arsehole undearneath the veneer. I'd rather just know from the start, so that I can say "Yeah. You're a bigoted little arsehole, kindly **** off. Bye."

That would be the real beauty of such a world. People would freely express their horrible, festering little opinions and then others would be free to rip them to ****ing shreds and laugh about it... and they couldn't start bawling about it... which is what weasly little bigots like to do, in my experience.

You sound so like Brookmyre in that rant. Love it.

[Ammi]

I'm not a huge fan of it to be honest. I get that it can "protect" people but... does it? Really? It shelters them, I suppose, if that counts.

Basically, people feeling like they are "not allowed" to say certain things or share certain views does not stop them from having those views, tucked away in their horrible little heads. They just keep them zipped up. And THAT is why I don't like it. I would like to know the unbridled opinions of anyone I meet, thankyouplease, up front and in my face, so that I can quickly decide which ones are or aren't worth my time.

There's not much worse than thinking you know someoneone and getting on alright with them, and then being suddenly confronted with the fact that they are a bigoted little arsehole undearneath the veneer. I'd rather just know from the start, so that I can say "Yeah. You're a bigoted little arsehole, kindly **** off. Bye."

That would be the real beauty of such a world. People would freely express their horrible, festering little opinions and then others would be free to rip them to ****ing shreds and laugh about it... and they couldn't start bawling about it... which is what weasly little bigots like to do, in my experience.


....hmmm, but what would that achieve though, that seems more of a 'personal satisfaction' thing but to me, wouldn't change anything that is the 'whole point' of prejudice/bigotry etc...it just puts someone into a defensive situation, rather than to keep the focus on prejudice and trying to change mind-sets etc..that can only be done through communication, rather than 'calling out'...and isn't that the 'bigger picture', that prejudice/intolerances etc are still very much in existence and really shouldn't be....


..like others, I don't think that 'PC' should be something that exists/that is needed...but is it less about 'wording' and how something is phrased and more that these prejudices still exist and even worded a different way, they'll still exist...but on the other hand, I guess PC has to exist because the internet exists...it's often said that 'back in the day' we didn't have PC and we could say......................and it was ok, but now it's ridiculous because we can't say otherwise we're called racist/homophobic etc...well, that's not true at all, it was never right back in the day either, it wasn't really perceived as anything different and not 'called out' as anything different..it's not a new invention but the age of the internet and technology/communication is and the age of the 'keyboard warrior' as well....people should be able to 'self PC' and to not be racist and to not be homophobic and to not be rude and to not be offensive etc and because that's there thought process to be non of those things, not because they're thinking of 'acceptable wording'....but that's probably not going to ever happen, is it because all these things have always been and probably sadly always will be...


..also I understand the 'OTT' thing and examples you gave DR...but for instance with bin men and waste management technicians...?..(again those 'formal names for jobs people do always existed as well but it's just that people used the terms that were a little more 'understandable' in describing a job..)...I guess it's more now that people are more encouraged to use them/the 'formal/full job description' ones....because certain jobs through time and with some people have been used as a way to insult in thinking lesser of a person because of the job they do...(a job that those people wouldn't do themselves no doubt because they feel it beneath them and yet have no respect for those that do them..)...so maybe feel OTT but ere intended to 'protect' from those who have no respect and who would use as an insult/put down....

[Ammi]

..but the 'attack' first of the, oh I'm sure the PC brigade will come rushing out now because I'm going to say this, is really just (I think..)..a self knowledge of someone's prejudice, that they are aware of it ..and rather than 'shoot them down', I think the opening of a questioning of it/those views and prejudice etc rather than outbursts of accusations back...


..and forth and back and forth and back..:laugh:...

[user104658]

You're an optimist though Ammi, not an angry ol' cynic like me. I personally don't think people ever really change. Not through conversation and persuasion anyway - major life incidents can change a person but that's something different, and rare.

In general, people's opinions, good and bad, are forged early and simply don't change. For that reason I'd just prefer people to wear their opinions on their sleeves so that I know who to bother investing time in and who to avoid.

I mean yes, you can usually figure out quite quickly what someone is vaguely about, but I can actually think of multiple occasions where I've known someone a while and then been slapped in the face with some nasty racist / homophobic crap that I'd never have guessed would come from them. I'd rather just know up front than have people hide it because they "have to". It's not real acceptance. The prejudice still exists... It's just silent and often then becomes even more insidious.

[Ammi]

You're an optimist though Ammi, not an angry ol' cynic like me. I personally don't think people ever really change. Not through conversation and persuasion anyway - major life incidents can change a person but that's something different, and rare.

In general, people's opinions, good and bad, are forged early and simply don't change. For that reason I'd just prefer people to wear their opinions on their sleeves so that I know who to bother investing time in and who to avoid.

I mean yes, you can usually figure out quite quickly what someone is vaguely about, but I can actually think of multiple occasions where I've known someone a while and then been slapped in the face with some nasty racist / homophobic crap that I'd never have guessed would come from them. I'd rather just know up front than have people hide it because they "have to". It's not real acceptance. The prejudice still exists... It's just silent and often then becomes even more insidious.

...hmm, I'm still thinking about this but it just seems to me to be 'fighting' the same with the same...'I don't care about PC because I will just darn well say what I think' (a sense of personal satisfaction, you could say..?..)...'well I will just darn well label you, then because that's what says about you'..(a sense of personal satisfaction, you could say..?...)...and there prejudices are and still remain (the whole point and focus..)...stuck in the mud and forgotten in it all...because people/both 'sides' want to say what they want to say and feel very in their right to do so....

[Ammi]

You're an optimist though Ammi, not an angry ol' cynic like me. I personally don't think people ever really change. Not through conversation and persuasion anyway - major life incidents can change a person but that's something different, and rare.

In general, people's opinions, good and bad, are forged early and simply don't change. For that reason I'd just prefer people to wear their opinions on their sleeves so that I know who to bother investing time in and who to avoid.

I mean yes, you can usually figure out quite quickly what someone is vaguely about, but I can actually think of multiple occasions where I've known someone a while and then been slapped in the face with some nasty racist / homophobic crap that I'd never have guessed would come from them. I'd rather just know up front than have people hide it because they "have to". It's not real acceptance. The prejudice still exists... It's just silent and often then becomes even more insidious.



..I actually don't believe that 'angry ol cynic' either...yes, sometimes you can be (occasionally..:laugh:..)...and life experiences etc, there is that in all of us anyway...'things that push our buttons' because of personal associations...but I also see a very shiny optimist in there as well trying to burst out...

[user104658]

..I actually don't believe that 'angry ol cynic' either...yes, sometimes you can be (occasionally..:laugh:..)...and life experiences etc, there is that in all of us anyway...'things that push our buttons' because of personal associations...but I also see a very shiny optimist in there as well trying to burst out...

Humbug! That's just your optimism talking.

[DemolitionRed]

I mean yes, you can usually figure out quite quickly what someone is vaguely about, but I can actually think of multiple occasions where I've known someone a while and then been slapped in the face with some nasty racist / homophobic crap that I'd never have guessed would come from them. I'd rather just know up front than have people hide it because they "have to". It's not real acceptance. The prejudice still exists... It's just silent and often then becomes even more insidious.

Me and the other half were talking about this last night. We'd gone out for a drink with a bunch of friends, one of which is quite new to our group. We have all invested time in this person but last night after one too many he became racially abusive. None of us were aware that he had this underlying grudge against certain races and religions and it was disappointing to discover we didn't want to be around what was otherwise a fun guy. Up until now he'd walked on eggshells weighing us up and now, if we spend any more time with him, we have to walk on eggshells not to bring any topic up that will have him going off on one.

I'd rather know than not know about a person like that.

[Ammi]

Humbug! That's just your optimism talking.

..actually I went off and came back again..:laugh:...because the 'optimist' bit did bug me a bit, I don't see myself as an optimist' anymore than anyone else..(I think) it's more a realist...yeah, we can all say..I'll say whatever I like and not be PCed over ..and then get back, well I can call you for what you are, then so that's fine...but that won't work and it won't work because it hasn't worked...all there is after that is two people with no respect for each other...I'm sure that you're right TS or maybe you're right..that it's doubtful of many mind-sets being changed but it leaves more of possibility open of that happening...and for every 20 or whatever people that we may experience in our lives who show prejudice/racism/homophobia etc...with the 'calling out' thing, all I think is that 20 people will still remain with their prejudices but with another moan and groan about 'PC' as well....whereas if only one mind-set could be changed through not calling out, then there would only be 19 people, instead of 20 and one person maybe thinking about their views and questioning them...?....

...there was a video I watched recently and the gist of it was that not being racist ourselves is not enough, it's also not walking away from racism in the knowledge that it's there...(obviously we all have knowledge that it's there..)...but if you or any of us walk away and say bye, you're a bigot etc and not someone I want to communicate with.. then surely that's walking away from prejudice and just leaving it there, there to deepen and maybe spread as well.....just 'distancing' from it and distancing isn't 'facing reality' of something existing...better to try and understand it surely, those fears/'uneducation' etc that are often the cause...

[DemolitionRed]

...there was a video I watched recently and the gist of it was that not being racist ourselves is not enough, it's also not walking away from racism in the knowledge that it's there...(obviously we all have knowledge that it's there..)...but if you or any of us walk away and say bye, you're a bigot etc and not someone I want to communicate with.. then surely that's walking away from prejudice and just leaving it there, there to deepen and maybe spread as well.....just 'distancing' from it and distancing isn't 'facing reality' of something existing...better to try and understand it surely, those fears/'uneducation' etc that are often the cause...

This makes sense to a point but the problem I have with that is, I've learnt never to rely on my own expectations. I've had to accept that I can rarely change peoples opinions and if I try, ill just end up in a depressingly frustrating place. We can educate people about why we have the opinion we do, provided they want to be educated but when it comes to things like racism, people tend to be entrenched in their already dyed in the wool opinion and lived with those thoughts since they were old enough to understand their parent/s own prejudices. Taking away those opinions also takes away the safety net of all those friendships they have forged with like minded people.

There's a man I work with who is a long established islamophobic. He's always trying to educate us about why he's that way but most of us just roll our eyes and tell him to shut up. Every time someone puts their view across to him he, just like them has a barrage of ammunition to back up his side of the argument.

[Northern Monkey]

I think shutting down other peoples views just because you don't agree with them is counter productive and just creates more resentment.In a free society we should all be able to put forward our perspective and be challenged on it.Banning words,nursery rhymes,Christmas,black boards etc and wrapping everyone up in cotton wool just creates more resentment and does'nt change anyones views imo."Ooh you can't say that,That's not very PC" is just going to stir up more anger and hatred.Take Islamaphobia for instance.If people who are already 'suspicious' of all muslims are told that their local community centre/shops/whatever are not allowed to have banners saying "Merry Christmas" anymore because it's not inclusive of other religions then that 'suspicion' they already carry can turn into anger which as we all know leads to the Dark Side.Political correctness is not beneficial imo as it just shuts down opinions rather than challenging them.

[jennyjuniper]

It's a bit like communism. The theory is fine, but in practise it's abused far too often.

[Ammi]

This makes sense to a point but the problem I have with that is, I've learnt never to rely on my own expectations. I've had to accept that I can rarely change peoples opinions and if I try, ill just end up in a depressingly frustrating place. We can educate people about why we have the opinion we do, provided they want to be educated but when it comes to things like racism, people tend to be entrenched in their already dyed in the wool opinion and lived with those thoughts since they were old enough to understand their parent/s own prejudices. Taking away those opinions also takes away the safety net of all those friendships they have forged with like minded people.

There's a man I work with who is a long established islamophobic. He's always trying to educate us about why he's that way but most of us just roll our eyes and tell him to shut up. Every time someone puts their view across to him he, just like them has a barrage of ammunition to back up his side of the argument.


..yeah I do understand and any communications have to be a two way thing as well don't they...not as in both speaking their opinions but there has to be an open to listening as well and then the complications also of ..there are times when we are open to listening and absorbing and there are times when we are not...it's like waiting for our children/toddlers etc to calm and finish their 'rant' before we try to talk to them because in the middle of or when still in the mode of, is only going to be confrontational and no one is going to be absorbing....so I do see that it's not always possible either....and I also see that many mind-sets won't be changed...especially mind-sets that are older and over much time and life experiences etc...but there are others I think that are very limited and their judgments/prejudice very limited because lack of balance of influences and balance in their lives so I guess I still think it's worth trying to communicate in the 'if only one person we meet were to question' themselves/way...and a possible different opinion reached...then that would be one less prejudice/bigoted view, you know...there are so many things that are beyond our capabilities do anything at all about and you're right..for the most part, other people's thoughts and views are one of them/we only have control over ourselves etc.. so there is sense also in the 'walking away from'....but for me personally that wouldn't sit right either/maybe I'm just a stubborn and persistent person.../which is also probably true....

[Ammi]

..I guess as well DR, that vid I watched really hit me and made me personally think so much...'if you walk away from racism, then because it's just being left there, are you yourself racist'..not you, personally I don't mean but that was the gist of it and the question being asked to us all because it's not enough to be aware of it, appalled by it/offended by it etc and totally lacking of all understanding of how people can have those mind-sets...but we 'should do' as well....and I just don't think that 'calling out' is 'doing'....

[Kizzy]

It's a bit like communism. The theory is fine, but in practise it's abused far too often.

Or capitalism?

[DemolitionRed]

I do get what you're saying Ammi. Patience really is a virtue and being a school teacher you probably have more patience than me.

If I expect my work colleague to listen to me, then he should expect me to listen to him and this is where my flexibilities falter because I find that bit really difficult. There is nothing more emotional than a deeply held belief being challenged and this is why people on these boards so often get upset, frustrated and even angry. I suppose the key thing is, we need to reduce the threat of a challenge and that would mean listening and trying to understand why they view things the way they do. In turn, that person needs to listen and understand why I view things the way I do...problem solved. Whilst neither of us will probably change one another's view, we will both come away with a better understanding.

[Kizzy]

Oh foff to all these whispering voices dripping the same poison in ears from the cradle to the grave. I saw the vid that suggests if you do nothing about racism but profess you are not racist it's not enough.
It should be enough, having your strong beliefs is enough... it should be an accepted social norm in the west.
If you became more extreme in those views then that would and does attract negative labels to your cause, that seems to be how its working. Mr Orwell suggests that pacifism is pro fascism which is a similar message, however it doesn't allow for modern day neoliberal spin.
Any progressive protest is packaged as subversive civil disobedience, militant, aggressive, anti-democratic and the ultimate insult....leftist.

The mantra of modern media 'If you can occupy peoples' heads, their hearts and their hands will follow.'
Where's our societal head at that our own PM can make overtly racist comments and it pass unchallenged and yet the rest of us must wrestle with our consciences?
Because he is representative of the establishment and they can never be seen as wrong, everything they do is for the greater good...isn't it?