A black woman will never win this show

[Headie]

And that's a fact.

[Heaven = Winner]

</3

[Jarvio]

What will happen first? A black female winner, or a male first evictee (by public vote) on civillian bb?

[billy123]

Predictable thread.

[nonstop]

Never say never.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah coz so far they have all been sh1t

#soreloser

[Pete.]

I'm getting sick of it now

[MB.]

Not Faria Alam's prophecy remaining true ten years on </3

[EspeonBB]

It will never happen.

[RichardG]

I think you're right </3

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tiff was a disgraceful stereotype

A step back

Embarrassing

[Crimson Dynamo]

Predictable thread.

:clap1:

[nonstop]

I'd rather have a good housemate win for being a good housemate and not just because they are black, a woman or the leader of some cult VH1 show with tumblr fans.

[T*]

Tiff was a disgraceful stereotype

A step back

Embarrassing

How was she, in any ****ING WAY, a stereotype?!

[Crimson Dynamo]

How was she, in any ****ING WAY, a stereotype?!

Smh

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'd rather have a good housemate win for being a good housemate and not just because they are black, a woman or the leader of some cult VH1 show with tumblr fans.

:clap1:

[Johnny Rebel]

Yeah coz so far they have all been sh1t

#soreloser

:cheer2:

[Shaun]

I'm not sure you should look towards a channel 5 reality show for social balance.

[GiRTh]

I'm not sure you should look towards a channel 5 reality show for social balance.:clap1:

[jaxie]

I disagree, I think a black woman could win but I don't think Tiffany should have win just because she is a black woman.

[delta]

Quetion to the OP.

Why?

[Headie]

Predictable thread.

Predict it and live with it honey! x

[Jason.]

On the bright side she left to cheers compared to most black women who get deafening boos. So slay a bit :clap1:

[Headie]

I'm not sure you should look towards a channel 5 reality show for social balance.

I never said anything about social balance :shrug: Just stated the obvious fact but I forgot it's a touchy subject on here!

[VanessaFeltz.]

voters are racists anyways..

lets vote for the bore or the cheater to win yay

[Maxxie.]

Her winning would have been too perfect so too gold to be true. A black hm, an american, an extremely good housemate. She was equally as entertaining as gary busey, dont understand how he could win and she came 4th ;(

[Beso]

lol. boring.

[Cherie]

I disagree, I think a black woman could win but I don't think Tiffany should have win just because she is a black woman.

:clap2:

[nonstop]

Using the race card is disgusting and further diminishes your point.

[Headie]

voters are racists anyways..

lets vote for the bore or the cheater to win yay

Spill it Melih :clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Steph second

What redemption

And we'll done LT for stanning her

[Johnny Rebel]

Spill it Melih :clap1:

Bye pumpkin :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Using the race card is disgusting and further diminishes your point.

Desperate measures for being wrong
Wrong

Wrong

Bwahahaha

[rubymoo]

Steph second

What redemption

And we'll done LT for stanning her

Noooooo.....i want Steph to win!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tiff fanclub

101 members

:fan:

[Headie]

Tiff was a disgraceful stereotype

A step back

Embarrassing

This post is proof why a black woman will never win the show with the British voting public.

[nonstop]

This post is proof why a black woman will never win the show with the British voting public.

Bookmarking for when a when a black housemate wins and you'll still be screaming "she won, it's racist.'

[Pete.]

Tiff fanclub

101 members

:fan:
Legend :clap1:

[Headie]

Bookmarking for when a when a black housemate wins and you'll still be screaming "she won, it's racist.'

Gurl it's never gonna happen so you're just wasting bookmark space! :pat:

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Maybe they need decent black women then

UK ones have been terrible.

Danielle Reyes is the only example of when one should have won. No one else compares

[nonstop]

Gurl it's never gonna happen so you're just wasting bookmark space! :pat:

Racist!123

[susie q]

What about Shilpa Shetty, doesnt she count. OK shes Indian, instead of black American, but she won against all white finalists, she was one of my favourite winners to.

[Headie]

What about Shilpa Shetty, doesnt she count. OK shes Indian, instead of black American, but she won against all white finalists, she was one of my favourite winners to.

So a woman of colour can only win the show if she is the victim of constant racial abuse throughout her time in the house?

That's how it's always gonna be unfortunately.

[chuff me dizzy]

They will have to find one worthy of winning ....up to now they have failed miserably

[VanessaFeltz.]

What about Shilpa Shetty, doesnt she count. OK shes Indian, instead of black American, but she won against all white finalists, she was one of my favourite winners to.

Well that doesnt count because of the race incident before that they were booing her for no reason.

Does anyone remember when Faria said public would never vote for her to win due to her race...

She is so right.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can't breathe

[Cherie]

What about Shilpa Shetty, doesnt she count. OK shes Indian, instead of black American, but she won against all white finalists, she was one of my favourite winners to.

:clap2:

[Cherie]

I can't breathe

Hands LT a paperbag

[susie q]

So a woman of colour can only win the show if she is the victim of constant racial abuse throughout her time in the house?

That's how it's always gonna be unfortunately.

WOW now that is a racist comment. It was the way she handled the racism with grace, dignity, and still managed to be entertaining, that made people warm to her, and vote for her. Oh and I dont remember her playing the victim role, Tiffany did, it was one of her more annoying traits.

[VanessaFeltz.]

http://share.gifyoutube.com/yAPnDD.gif
This is me when i saw that horrid f3

[Greg!]

Make the bb17 twist be all the housemates are black gals tbh

[Dominic]

Maybe they need decent black women then

UK ones have been terrible.

Danielle Reyes is the only example of when one should have won. No one else compares
All the guys in your sig are worse than Tiff will ever be tho

[Headie]

I can't breathe

Respiratory problems are natural with old age LT, it's ok :hug:

[VanessaFeltz.]

Respiratory problems are natural with old age LT, it's ok :hug:

:hehe:

[DrunkerThanMoses]

All the guys in your sig are worse than Tiff will ever be tho

Yet last time I checked 2 of them won their seasons and another came 2nd..... higher placings then what ever her name was who came 4th

[cassieparis]

Yeah coz so far they have all been sh1t

#soreloser

Yet it's all that spills forth, from you and all you think about.:shrug:

[VanessaFeltz.]

Yet last time I checked 2 of them won their seasons and another came 2nd..... higher placings then what ever her name was who came 4th

Steve&John&Memphis they were all boring trash..

Dan was amazing tho

[Jay28jay2]

Make the bb17 twist be all the housemates are black gals tbh

Big Brother: Ethnic Trip ?

[cassieparis]

What will happen first? A black female winner, or a male first evictee (by public vote) on civillian bb?

Purely a reflection of the majority vote.

Women who see other women as inferior to men. Or value a rat male before they value themselves and somehow are terrified by women with brown skin. :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Respiratory problems are natural with old age LT, it's ok :hug:

:joker:

[nonstop]

Big Brother: Ethnic Trip ?

Rasict232!

[andybigbro]

I hate how it's always brought back to race :rolleyes: :facepalm:

[Headie]

I hate how it's always brought back to race :rolleyes: :facepalm:

I don't because it's true :shrug:

[tanussa]

its not beyond the reLms of possibility. thankfully not this black woman cos all she was about was sex, sex & more sex & very crude with it

[Vicky.]

I genuinely do not understand how some people are so obsessed with gender or race.

[andybigbro]

I don't because it's true :shrug:

It's not :joker:

[rusticgal]

And that's a fact.

Thats a stupid comment.

Tiff was a good housemate but I think her failure to show any respect about her mix up over the 'David" misunderstanding on the task 2 days ago may have gone massively against her, otherwise she could have been in the running. However the Scotty T base and the evident manipulation of his voting line was always going to make him the winner.

[Lstan]

Steph second

What redemption

And we'll done LT for stanning her

Why are you talking to/accolading yourself? (i didnt mind steph tbh dont understand the extreme hate for her)

[andybigbro]

I genuinely do not understand how some people are so obsessed with gender or race.
:clap1::clap1:

[Lstan]

Thats a stupid comment.

Tiff was a good housemate but I think her failure to show any respect about her mix up over the 'David" misunderstanding on the task 2 days ago may have gone massively against her, otherwise she could have been in the running. However the Scotty T base and the evident manipulation of his voting line was always going to make him the winner.

Heh i thought they "sorted that out" :smug: terrible. (oops should clarify im talking about the voting thing)

[Cherie]

I don't because it's true :shrug:

No it isn't

[hazyjo]

Crazy thread. Yes, she was entertaining and would have been a fairly worthy winner as she gave a lot of entertainment, but there was a huge percentage who wouldn't vote for her (me included) as I didn't like some of the things she said and did. If a bloke had said it, he'd have got the boot.

Can you imagine some bloke snogging 2 female housemates and voting them on it, saying one was better as you could imagine how she'd suck c*ck? And about the things he needed to do (like get inside someone). There was lots more. People would be going mental. She also said enough to make Darren feel VERY uncomfortable. Not very pleasant.

Aaron got the boot for flashing at Joel in a previous BB. I'd say Tiffany's behaviour has certainly been on par with that with the things she's said to people.

It's nothing to do with the fact she's black. For those who keep mentioning it, or noticing colour, I suggest it's them with the problem. The quicker this bloody world stops going on about whether a black person has been nominated for something, or has won something, or what percentage are in the workplace, etc the quicker the world will move on. Let people be recognised for their talent or skills, not because they're making up a quota. Nobody wants a token anyone. Judge people on merit. End of.

Yes, of course a black person will win. Take a look at the bloody White House/President. They said that wouldn't ever happen in our lifetime. They said an American would never win CBB but they did, and said a woman would never win, but again, of course they did.

Give it time...

[Kazanne]

voters are racists anyways..

lets vote for the bore or the cheater to win yay

What a stupid statement,how are voters racist?:nono:

[Jack_]

People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it

As I've said before, Tiffany was a black American woman. Like hell was she winning CBBUK. Three strikes and you're out gurl

[LukeB]

People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it

As I've said before, Tiffany was a black American woman. Like hell was she winning CBBUK. Three strikes and you're out gurl

Big Brother Australia?

[Vicky.]

Purely a reflection of the majority vote.

Women who see other women as inferior to men. Or value a rat male before they value themselves and somehow are terrified by women with brown skin. :idc:

OK...if the British viewers are mainly racist as this seems to imply, how did Tiffany survive countless evictions, and win the vote one week (at least one week...maybe more)

She also said enough to make Darren feel VERY uncomfortable. Not very pleasant.


Darren seems rather easily offended. I think the way he got so pissed off about her going on about being horny was because he couldn't do anything about it...like he explained himself. Not because he is married, but because there were cameras everywhere :joker: He fancied the pants off Tiffany IMO.


Aaron got the boot for flashing at Joel in a previous BB. I'd say Tiffany's behaviour has certainly been on par with that with the things she's said to people.


Nahhh, only males she was touchy feely with were Scotty and Jeremy, neither of whom minded and both of whom went back for more. Joel did not enjoy having a penis rubbed against him. So there is a difference in this :laugh:

[Vicky.]

People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it


Can't speak for others, but the reason these accusations annoy me is because it is constant. Tiffany was my favorite by a long shot, and I am gutted with her placing but it really does noone any favors when people scream racist/homophobe (for example) whatever just because others happen to not like a black/gay person.

[Headie]

People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it

As I've said before, Tiffany was a black American woman. Like hell was she winning CBBUK. Three strikes and you're out gurl

:clap1:

[hazyjo]

OK...if the British viewers are mainly racist as this seems to imply, how did Tiffany survive countless evictions, and win the vote one week (at least one week...maybe more)



Darren seems rather easily offended. I think the way he got so pissed off about her going on about being horny was because he couldn't do anything about it...like he explained himself. Not because he is married, but because there were cameras everywhere :joker: He fancied the pants off Tiffany IMO.



Nahhh, only males she was touchy feely with were Scotty and Jeremy, neither of whom minded and both of whom went back for more. Joel did not enjoy having a penis rubbed against him. So there is a difference in this :laugh:

I believe Darren :) My OH had a similar background and would behave exactly the same way if a woman came onto him like that. He's a borderline prude - so far removed from his former self, it's ridiculous.

Yeah, maybe she did mainly come on to those who played along. I just know I wouldn't like it if a bloke did it, and certainly don't like seeing a woman do it. Nothing attractive in seeing people dry humping others like a horny dog you have to shake off your leg. That's not just at Tiff but the blokes too.

[Tom4784]

It's nothing new, there's always been undertones of both racism and sexism within the voting trends.

[Northern Monkey]

I honestly could'nt give a sh1t what colour the winner is and the vast majority of the British public are not racist.Colour has nothing to do with it.Who even cares what somebody's skin colour is?

I liked Tiff but her not winning is nothing to do with race.

[Amy Jade]

I half agree and half disagree.

I think a black woman could win someday but I don't really think about race so much.

I do agree there is a racial element though, even on here I've noticed it a few times how much hate women of colour can get especially on facebook, posts were being taken down calling Tiffany a chimp etc

[bots]

Someone considered boring won this series and the last over other housemates deemed more entertaining. In both cases, it had nothing to do with gender or colour. Not everyone likes the same traits in peoples personalities, not everyone finds the same behaviour entertaining. Its that simple. Nothing to do with colour at all.

[arney]

And that's a fact.

OK.

[Gstar]

People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it

As I've said before, Tiffany was a black American woman. Like hell was she winning CBBUK. Three strikes and you're out gurl

.

[Alf]

A person that choses their favourite housemate every single series by the criteria of the colour of their skin has the nerve to shout racism.


More bull s*** hypocrisy I'm afraid, and I'm not purchasing.

[Lostie!]

People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it

And you know this how exactly?

The overuse of claims of racism on here bugs me and I can assure you it's not because I'm either in denial or racist myself, that's quite a strong suggestion (or accusation) for you to make with no actual foundation.

Actually, what you just said is just another example of people way too casually accusing others of racism (and trivialising it in the process), which has become worryingly more common as of late.

Can't speak for others, but the reason these accusations annoy me is because it is constant. Tiffany was my favorite by a long shot, and I am gutted with her placing but it really does noone any favors when people scream racist/homophobe (for example) whatever just because others happen to not like a black/gay person.

:clap2: :clap2:

[Jack_]

Can't speak for others, but the reason these accusations annoy me is because it is constant. Tiffany was my favorite by a long shot, and I am gutted with her placing but it really does noone any favors when people scream racist/homophobe (for example) whatever just because others happen to not like a black/gay person.

It is not simply just a case of people disliking housemates because they are black, American or a woman (or whatever), although there are definitely examples of that, but more the systematic and underlying prejudices, double standards and bias that exists.

For example, Emma rightly pointed out to Jeremy that had it been a female going after a man in a relationship, they'd have been slaughtered (case in point: Daley and Hazel). Now I don't actually agree with a single party receiving any blame in situations like those but the point still stands. The existence of the 'angry black woman' stereotype is also very much a thing and something that is often portrayed on Big Brother, and so too do people get treated differently in such situations. The housemates were calling Tiffany unsafe to live with and requesting her removal yet Megan had a ridiculously aggressive meltdown and no one batted an eyelid? Men's behaviour is excused and they are cheered literally because they have a penis, women whom express their sexuality are often labelled slags yet men can get away with the same thing because they're 'lads'? The only notable exception I can think to that is Charlotte.

As with many of these kind of issues in society, they are discreet and underlying, almost institutionalised. But they do exist.

And you know this how exactly?

The overuse of claims of racism on here bugs me and I can assure you it's not because I'm either in denial or racist myself, that's quite a strong suggestion (or accusation) for you to make with no actual foundation.

Actually, what you just said is just another example of people way too casually accusing others of racism (and trivialising it in the process), which has become worryingly more common as of late.

Because examples of racism and sexism and even xenophobia are very much present on this programme and British people don't like to admit that we can and still do have issues with such things because it goes against our seemingly 'tolerant' nature?

And believe me, there is plenty of foundation and I am in no way trivialising anything, I cannot obviously elaborate any further or else I'd be reprimanded. But someone can feel free to give me the go ahead and I'll happily write you an essay with plenty of examples to back up mine (and many others) very genuine claims.

[Alf]

I I cannot obviously elaborate any further or else I'd be reprimanded. But someone can feel free to give me the go ahead and I'll happily write you an essay with plenty of examples to back up mine (and many others) very genuine claims.
Say it, you have the freedom, this isn't Nazi Germany.

[854]

Yeah there have been I think maybe a handful of black women who have survived an eviction. Maybe two in the regular series, Makosi and Gina that have survived multiple ones. Black women just are not liked by the public at all, and I don't want to say never, but it's getting to look like that unless the white HM's are equally worse or the black woman is racially bullied by the other HM's, which even then she will probably only get 2nd or 3rd etc.

Also Tiffany and Traci Bingham are the only two black women to ever be in CBB series too, so they never put black female celebs in the celeb version.

Not so much he's black, but she's ghetto, black and american. Which is actually still shunned and misunderstood here in the states yet probably more accepted and dealt with, are all things people in britain are still getting used to dealing with.

I don't think anybody outside London or Essex could even understand her accent or her diction/personality.

Like how people here in LA wouldn't understand a geezers accent or someone from Manchester etc.

I know I work customer service here in LA and whenever I deal with someone with a thick british accent I feel dumb because they are speaking in english I just don't connect with it.

As a gay black male I would love to see a black female win our version, so this is a worldwide issue to be honest.

[RodHull]

And that's a fact.

Not if they are dull and overhyped caricatures they wont no...

[Ammi]

..I think the positive of 'a black woman will never win this show', though is that a black woman came fourth and for any housemate, that would be a great placing...if the vein of thought of any has been of another 'stereotypical' angry black woman, which I think someone said ..then that stereotype was a finalist, so is that not a positive step in 'a black woman will never win this show'..?...so many minorities in terms of BB winners with Tiffany, black, female, American, feisty etc, no 'victim' at all in her and she got to fourth place...

..and I do totally agree with Shaun...'I'm not sure you should look towards a channel 5 reality show for social balance.' ..BB is essentially trash TV which we all enjoy and maybe we do look at social balance..?...but it still has no bearing on winners, or relatively little because it's geared up to entertainment and drama as the primary thing...it was interesting last night with Emma I think as well...there have been so many females through BB time who have been booed, hated etc by the public because their behaviour with males has been seen to not be quite 'ladylike', on oh, the names they're referred to because of that/in comparison to a male housemate...and when they are voted out by the public, Emma will explain in their interview, well it's because of this, if you hadn't been so crude and descriptive etc...and then there she was describing Scotty T as a jolly old cheeky and charming chappy despite anything that he has said in the house....

[Crimson Dynamo]

lets try and look for any reason that "my fave" did not win

surely it cant be that she just wasnt funny, real or entertaining enough?

how could that be??


:joker:

[alex_front2]

Regarding civilian Big Brother
Even nice sweet-heart black women "non angry black women" black women won't win

-bb3 Alison
-bb8 Kara Louise
-bb 7 Dawn
-bb10 Sophia
-bb11Iffe, Rachel and cougar Jo
-bb 12 Heaven

Non of these even made the final

When there was more entertaining black women eg bb3 Amma, Bb6 Makosi, bb10 Rachel bb14 Gina, bb15 Toya , Bianca

Yet still no win. At best #3 place.

Regarding Celebrity Big Brother
A black woman won't win cbb as there are hardly any UK black female celebs nowadays. Hence importing Tiff from USA. CBB invites failed singers/ former soap stars / reality stars. How many of these are black women? Have yet to see a black woman on Made in Chelsea?

Reality shows like TOWIE, Geordie Shore, MIC are now a mainstay of CBB but these shows and showbiz avenues rarely include black women. No black Gemma Collins or Charlotte Crosbys.

There are no famous black ex soap actors like Daniella , Stephanie and John. Can't think of a black female actress on Coronation Street. There's barely any on Hollyoaks or Emmerdale. Eastenders is set in one of the least white areas of London and yet there are only 2 black actresses. It's even lost the actress who plays Shabnam (Asian) today. No major black stage stars like Darren. Hardly any black ex Strictly dancers like James Jordan and Kristina, there are hardly any black WAGs like Nancy. No black female James Hill, Katie Hopkins, Katie Prices, Louisa Zuissman, Rylan, Jim Davidson's, Alex Reid's etc. It's a similar state with Asian celebs, there's hardly any of them and Shilpa would not have won if it weren't the horrendous race row IMHO.

I chucked to myself when Nadiya Hussain won the Bake Off and p*ssed off the "ethnic diversify" haters. It's the same folk who hate the fact that bastions of whiteness such as Midsomers Murders is no longer all white and Countryfile has Anita Rani on the show and Crown Bowls has a presenter who isn't white. The same folk who hate Serena Williams presence let alone dominance in women's tennis and Tiger Woods in golf.

There are some funny intriguing entertaining black women in Twitter and Instragramm with really low number of followers, there are some really boring white women with shockingly high twitter followers. I've stopped getting pissed off by it as I know the score.

Which is why I am glad the race row has happened at the Oscars and increasingly black people are saying "I don't give s crap if white people like me. I don't care."

[Cherie]

A person that choses their favourite housemate every single series by the criteria of the colour of their skin has the nerve to shout racism.


More bull s*** hypocrisy I'm afraid, and I'm not purchasing.

:fan:

[Beso]

Rachel rice was welsh and boring, she won.

Is that not enough for you fantasists.

[billy123]

A person that choses their favourite housemate every single series by the criteria of the colour of their skin has the nerve to shout racism.


More bull s*** hypocrisy I'm afraid, and I'm not purchasing.https://media3.giphy.com/media/j2PS9MGm85WkE/200_s.gif

[susie q]

The thing that makes me so angry about these claims of someone not winning because of their race, is that undermines those who experiencing genuine and far more serious consequences of racism. Those who experience violence, exclusion etc because of their race. The emphasis being on race, I have just watched Coronation street on catch up, it looks as if they maybe developing a storyline relating to the rise of modern day slavery amongst Eastern European women. We all know that this is on the rise, but does anyone care, indeed we are seeing a rise in hate crimes/bigotry against eastern European migrants. In short anyone regardless of their colour can become victims of racism.

I didnt want Tiffany to win because of her behaviour, not because of her colour.
But lets get a perspective on this, Like all the others that didnt win, shes walked out the
house with a nice fat cheque, and yes like the others she has earned it so well done to her. She will be going home to country where she will be free to spend it, unlike many
others who wont.
Posts like these could potentially set back the cause of equality years, fortunately that wont happen because the majority of the population dont take them seriously, and also dont like the race card being brought when it isnt necessary. CBB really is just a game show.

[Cherie]

The thing that makes me so angry about these claims of someone not winning because of their race, is that undermines those who experiencing genuine and far more serious consequences of racism. Those who experience violence, exclusion etc because of their race. The emphasis being on race, I have just watched Coronation street on catch up, it looks as if they maybe developing a storyline relating to the rise of modern day slavery amongst Eastern European women. We all know that this is on the rise, but does anyone care, indeed we are seeing a rise in hate crimes/bigotry against eastern European migrants. In short anyone regardless of their colour can become victims of racism.

I didnt want Tiffany to win because of her behaviour, not because of her colour.
But lets get a perspective on this, Like all the others that didnt win, shes walked out the
house with a nice fat cheque, and yes like the others she has earned it so well done to her. She will be going home to country where she will be free to spend it, unlike many
others who wont.
Posts like these could potentially set back the cause of equality years, fortunately that wont happen because the majority of the population dont take them seriously, and also dont like the race card being brought when it isnt necessary. CBB really is just a game show.


:clap2:

[Beso]

They just need the right one in whos likeable to most viewers.....oprah, rusty lee..pauline black...

All would have a good chance, and wouldnt chase you lads about grabbing at their cocks.

[hot2go]

It's an attitude thing more than a black thing....for the most part the black females that enter the house have chosen to adopt a certain type of personality, ie, outspoken, gobby, brash and queen bitch of everyone in there....and if this was the USA it would be different but in the UK we just don't celebrate females like that enough for them to win.....only exception I can think of was Helen Wood and that should never of happened....ever.
Megan was voted out even before the final so were the voters being racist to her ? So did Gemma.....I don't see this as a black thing ...the girl came in fourth place, as an unknown American that is a remarkable achievement and reflects how not racist we are in this country.

[alex_front2]

The thing that makes me so angry about these claims of someone not winning because of their race, is that undermines those who experiencing genuine and far more serious consequences of racism. Those who experience violence, exclusion etc because of their race. The emphasis being on race, I have just watched Coronation street on catch up, it looks as if they maybe developing a storyline relating to the rise of modern day slavery amongst Eastern European women. We all know that this is on the rise, but does anyone care, indeed we are seeing a rise in hate crimes/bigotry against eastern European migrants. In short anyone regardless of their colour can become victims of racism.

I didnt want Tiffany to win because of her behaviour, not because of her colour.
But lets get a perspective on this, Like all the others that didnt win, shes walked out the
house with a nice fat cheque, and yes like the others she has earned it so well done to her. She will be going home to country where she will be free to spend it, unlike many
others who wont.
Posts like these could potentially set back the cause of equality years, fortunately that wont happen because the majority of the population dont take them seriously, and also dont like the race card being brought when it isnt necessary. CBB really is just a game show.

Firstly most of the crimes committed against Eastern Europeans eg slavery, rape, violence , trafficking are by white people. Bigotry yes, jingoism sure.

Secondly racism isn't just KKK, BNP, EDL violence. It could be in the form of microaggresions.And I for one are glad black and other groups are hitting back and not faint it.

[alex_front2]

It's an attitude thing more than a black thing....for the most part the black females that enter the house have chosen to adopt a certain type of personality, ie, outspoken, gobby, brash and queen bitch of everyone in there....and if this was the USA it would be different but in the UK we just don't celebrate females like that enough for them to win.....only exception I can think of was Helen Wood and that should never of happened....ever.
Megan was voted out even before the final so were the voters being racist to her ? So did Gemma.....I don't see this as a black thing ...the girl came in fourth place, as an unknown American that is a remarkable achievement and reflects how not racist we are in this country.

So Helen Wood was black then? Megan, Angie, and Stephanie were all more aggressive than Tiff. They all attacked the DR camera, the two youngsters had security called in. However they will get labeled feisty, Tiff will be labelled angry dangerous and aggressive. Even though when Megan had her "clean up her sh*t" rant folk were very happy to explain it away as the alcohol. Whereas Tiff's conduct was described as part of her nature, as you know black women are angry. ALL THE TIME.:joker::sleep:

[Mystic Mock]

Tiffany had a multitude of different issues going against her and I'll list them all for those that are interested.

1. She was Ch5's worst enemy....... being black.

2. She was a woman.

3. She was a woman that thought about sexual things and made sexual jokes towards two men in the house.

4. No home territory meant that she was playing catch up from the very beginning and did very well to still bag 4th.

5. She was probably the least known of the final which means that she has the least connections in the UK to get her votes like how the others had friends and family being able to campaign for votes for their person that they know.

6. I don't think that many people will agree with me on this, but a lot of people on the Forums can be very sheepish and Housemates like Tiffany fall victim of getting "support" but away from their computers they're secretly voting for Scotty T, Stephanie, Darren etc, it's why you can never trust the Forums opinions too much.

[Mystic Mock]

It's not :joker:

You honestly don't think that a black woman never winning a total of thirty odd BB's may have some prejudice going on somewhere? They've not all been playing that same negative stereotype either to warrant losing yet they still lose anyway.

[hot2go]

So Helen Wood was black then? Megan, Angie, and Stephanie were all more aggressive than Tiff. They all attacked the DR camera, the two youngsters had security called in. However they will get labeled feisty, Tiff will be labelled angry dangerous and aggressive. Even though when Megan had her "clean up her sh*t" rant folk were very happy to explain it away as the alcohol. Whereas Tiff's conduct was described as part of her nature, as you know black women are angry. ALL THE TIME.:joker::sleep:


Well you just backed up what I said ....you did exactly what I did :laugh: I compared Tiffany with Megan and Gemma, they were all confident out spoken females and they didn't win either....in fact, unlike Tiffany, they didn't reach the final....and as for Steph, who also DIDNT WIN, she was gobby and outspoken and fought her corner like the others did, but she had one quality that took the edge off and that was the fact that she was the opposite of the other girls because she had no confidence at all....and that is why the British public accepted her behaviour easier than from the others.
And my reference to Helen Wood was my observation of a female winner who was confident and out spoken and proud...shes not really relevant, as a human being, but I knew that by stating that strong gobby women don't usually win the show, that she would be thrown back at me as an example of one who did.:laugh::laugh: I just got there first and saved you all the trouble.
Tiffany didn't win for the same reasons the white girls didn't win and it has nothing to do with anything other than her personality, which good or bad, was just too strong as a female for it to reach a big enough audience to win.
And if a man had the exact same qualities he too would probably not win

[Raph]

She was never going to win :( a black female and asian male will never win big brother uk

[jennyjuniper]

I think a black female could easily win, provided they choose contestants who are not bitchy and aggressive as previous black female housemates have been.
For instance when Charley made her guest appearence on last years BB, I noticed she had mellowed enormously. If she had been like that in her year she would have had a good chance of winning.

[Headie]

I think a black female could easily win, provided they choose contestants who are not bitchy and aggressive as previous black female housemates have been.
For instance when Charley made her guest appearence on last years BB, I noticed she had mellowed enormously. If she had been like that in her year she would have had a good chance of winning.

I agree that much of it is down to BB casting stereotypical black girls, however how do you account for people like Jo, Ife, Alison, Rachel Ifon etc getting evicted to heavy boos and large eviction percentages when they were generally quiet, sweet girls?

Alison Hammond pretty much has all the characteristics of a typical BBUK winner, yet she was evicted Week 2 over 2 white males? :shrug:

[hot2go]

I agree that much of it is down to BB casting stereotypical black girls, however how do you account for people like Jo, Ife, Alison, Rachel Ifon etc getting evicted to heavy boos and large eviction percentages when they were generally quiet, sweet girls?

Alison Hammond pretty much has all the characteristics of a typical BBUK winner, yet she was evicted Week 2 over 2 white males? :shrug:

I don't recall most of those names, or most of any of the house mates from so far back...but I also don't recall any housemate getting boos and a bad crowd for no apparent reason....usually when someone receives boos it's pretty obv the reason why.....I'm shocked if Alison Hammond got boos, I didn't think she did.
I was shocked she got evicted at the time though ... but that's not the first or last time we've lost great housemates early in the show, black or white.
I can't speak from exp of how it feels to find the programme racist because I simply don't think it is....but I do know if I believed it was racist then I wouldn't be watching it....if was homophobic I wouldn't entertain it either....makes me wonder why you give it your time.

[Lostie!]

Because examples of racism and sexism and even xenophobia are very much present on this programme and British people don't like to admit that we can and still do have issues with such things because it goes against our seemingly 'tolerant' nature?

And believe me, there is plenty of foundation and I am in no way trivialising anything, I cannot obviously elaborate any further or else I'd be reprimanded. But someone can feel free to give me the go ahead and I'll happily write you an essay with plenty of examples to back up mine (and many others) very genuine claims.

Right, your exact words were People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it

So tell me, does that apply to everyone who has an issue with these constant claims of racism? Which one am I, in denial or a racist myself? And you've yet to explain how accusing a whole bunch of people you don't know of such things has "plenty of foundation".

Having experienced racism, I can assure you neither of those accusations at all applies to me, but feel free to continue to make wildly offensive claims about people just because they don't like to cry racism at the drop of a hat.

If you don't intend to elaborate then you have no business in making such outrageous and insulting claims in the first place.

The thing that makes me so angry about these claims of someone not winning because of their race, is that undermines those who experiencing genuine and far more serious consequences of racism. Those who experience violence, exclusion etc because of their race. The emphasis being on race, I have just watched Coronation street on catch up, it looks as if they maybe developing a storyline relating to the rise of modern day slavery amongst Eastern European women. We all know that this is on the rise, but does anyone care, indeed we are seeing a rise in hate crimes/bigotry against eastern European migrants. In short anyone regardless of their colour can become victims of racism.

I didnt want Tiffany to win because of her behaviour, not because of her colour.
But lets get a perspective on this, Like all the others that didnt win, shes walked out the
house with a nice fat cheque, and yes like the others she has earned it so well done to her. She will be going home to country where she will be free to spend it, unlike many
others who wont.
Posts like these could potentially set back the cause of equality years, fortunately that wont happen because the majority of the population dont take them seriously, and also dont like the race card being brought when it isnt necessary. CBB really is just a game show.

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[susie q]

Firstly most of the crimes committed against Eastern Europeans eg slavery, rape, violence , trafficking are by white people. Bigotry yes, jingoism sure.

Secondly racism isn't just KKK, BNP, EDL violence. It could be in the form of microaggresions.And I for one are glad black and other groups are hitting back and not faint it.

My point is that East European girls are experiencing racism not only by who is doing it to them, but by those fail to do any thing about because they are only girls from Eastern Europe. It really isnt just black people that suffer from racism. I am also old enough to remember the racism directed Irish people, because of the IRA, they all had to terrorists etc,its probably like what Muslims are sufferring now. (no one seems to be to concerned about the asian community) Rascism is just wrong no matter who is suffering it black, white, jewish, muslim etc.

There is not any evidence to suggest that Tiffany has experienced racism inside or outside the house. I am the same as other people on this forum who simply did not want her to win because of her behaviour, her colour had
nothing to do with it, I would have been the same had she been white, jewish etc. However she did well to get 4th, and I wish her well for the future.

To continue suggesting that she didnt win purely on the grounds of her race, is just the sort of attitude that plays into the hands of groups like the BNP.
If you wish to pursue a racist element of Tiffany or anyone else not winning because they are black, provide some factual evidence your arguement may just "hold water" And just for the sake of fairness include some of the other groups Ive mentioned.
In the mean time stop assuming that people didnt vote for her because they are racist, that attitude is now in danger of becoming offensive.

[Beso]

She was never going to win :( a black female and asian male will never win big brother uk

Fatboy or the dad in eastenders would have a good shout.

[Headie]

I don't recall most of those names, or most of any of the house mates from so far back...but I also don't recall any housemate getting boos and a bad crowd for no apparent reason....usually when someone receives boos it's pretty obv the reason why.....I'm shocked if Alison Hammond got boos, I didn't think she did.
I was shocked she got evicted at the time though ... but that's not the first or last time we've lost great housemates early in the show, black or white.
I can't speak from exp of how it feels to find the programme racist because I simply don't think it is....but I do know if I believed it was racist then I wouldn't be watching it....if was homophobic I wouldn't entertain it either....makes me wonder why you give it your time.

Exactly.

Jo, Ife and Rachel were practically invisible in the edit and when they were shown they were just shown as quiet, nice, friendly girls. Yet they were all evicted over much more divisive charatcers :shrug:

[LukeB]

Isn't it a bit unfair to say "People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it" without any evidence because I know some people who don't agree but don't think they are guilty of being racist because they haven't shown those things.


The whole black woman will never win, I can see where people are coming from because there are some evidence of this. the public are not all to blame, it's the casting and the production. Look at Adjoa's public reaction, she wasn't a loud mouth or did anything wrong but she got OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF.. Also Hira got booed too when she didn't do anything bad in her VT.

[Jason.]

Adjoa being verbally abused and bullied by the fat chavs in the crowd still haunts me :worry: </3

[Mystic Mock]

Adjoa was pretty as well which never goes down well for female contestants on any Reality Show.

[Jack_]

Right, your exact words were

So tell me, does that apply to everyone who has an issue with these constant claims of racism? Which one am I, in denial or a racist myself? And you've yet to explain how accusing a whole bunch of people you don't know of such things has "plenty of foundation".

Having experienced racism, I can assure you neither of those accusations at all applies to me, but feel free to continue to make wildly offensive claims about people just because they don't like to cry racism at the drop of a hat.

If you don't intend to elaborate then you have no business in making such outrageous and insulting claims in the first place.



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No, or else I'd have said 'everyone that complains about this being pointed out' but I didn't, I said 'people' which could mean two people or a hundred. Now we're verging on dabbling in petty semantics and I'm not going to entertain such a discussion.

For the second time, and I won't be repeating myself again - I'm not about to elaborate on such claims because, as far as I am aware, that would be against the rules. If and when I'm told I'm allowed I will do so, because there is very real evidence in existence to justify such claims, hence why I have 'such business' in making them in the first place, please calm down with the hyperbole. I should also point out I am not exclusively referring to people on here, I was talking in general. There are most definitely examples of people disliking housemates purely based on ethnicity, nationality and gender, or judging them differently because of that, whether it's on here, social media, in voting patterns or the way the show treats and portrays them itself.

[LukeB]

Adjoa was pretty as well which never goes down well for female contestants on any Reality Show.

I don't think pretty has anything to do with it:laugh: Chloe was pretty she was voted winner and cheered, Sophie Reade was really attractive her reaction was amazing.

[Lostie!]

No, or else I'd have said 'everyone that complains about this being pointed out' but I didn't, I said 'people' which could mean two people or a hundred. Now we're verging on dabbling in petty semantics and I'm not going to entertain such a discussion.

For the second time, and I won't be repeating myself again - I'm not about to elaborate on such claims because, as far as I am aware, that would be against the rules. If and when I'm told I'm allowed I will do so, because there is very real evidence in existence to justify such claims, hence why I have 'such business' in making them in the first place, please calm down with the hyperbole. I should also point out I am not exclusively referring to people on here, I was talking in general. There are most definitely examples of people disliking housemates purely based on ethnicity, nationality and gender, or judging them differently because of that.

Precisely, you said "people", not "some" or "certain" people. I've found people usually backtrack or blame "semantics" because of their own poor word choice.

And I'm sure there are examples of people disliking (and also liking, for that matter) housemates based on their ethnicity, I never once denied that, that would be denying racism exists altogether. I simply don't believe that was the driving factor in Tiffany (and various others before her) not winning.

[Headie]

Isn't it a bit unfair to say "People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it" without any evidence because I know some people who don't agree but don't think they are guilty of being racist because they haven't shown those things.


The whole black woman will never win, I can see where people are coming from because there are some evidence of this. the public are not all to blame, it's the casting and the production. Look at Adjoa's public reaction, she wasn't a loud mouth or did anything wrong but she got OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF.. Also Hira got booed too when she didn't do anything bad in her VT.

This is actually the best post of the thread tbh :clap1:

[Headie]

Adjoa being verbally abused and bullied by the fat chavs in the crowd still haunts me :worry: </3

I have nightmares to this day

[Mystic Mock]

I don't think pretty has anything to do with it:laugh: Chloe was pretty she was voted winner and cheered, Sophie Reade was really attractive her reaction was amazing.

Chloe played herself down for the show, and was slightly chubby so was no threat to win.

And Sophie Reade won because again she piled on weight to make herself seem less threatening to the viewers, and Freddie, Siavash, Marcus, and Rodrigo shot themselves in the foot 50 million times over just to even give her a chance at winning.

[Jack_]

Precisely, you said "people", not "some" or "certain" people. I've found people usually backtrack or blame "semantics" because of their own poor word choice.

And I'm sure there are examples of people disliking (and also liking, for that matter) housemates based on their ethnicity, I never once denied that, that would be denying racism exists altogether. I simply don't believe that was the driving factor in Tiffany (and various others before her) not winning.

And I find that people usually incite semantic discussions when they're desperately seeking an argument, or to be offended - or both.

Okay then? But I think the evidence is stacked against you. If countless black women have been evicted over white males when most of the time they've done nothing wrong except...well, be black, if black women can be labelled 'aggressive' and 'unsafe' yet white women can act even more aggressively and people laugh it off, if there can be forty something series and no black woman has ever won...then yes I think there's some deep rooted issues. And passing them off as 'well they need to cast better black women' like many people do as if they've all been the ****ing same is what's actually wildly offensive, not pointing it out.

[Beso]

Apart from helen i cant remember many aggresive white girls doing very well either.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Trash like Danny got cheered but Hira was booed where is justice?

[Lostie!]

And I find that people usually incite semantic discussions when they're desperately seeking an argument, or to be offended - or both.

I incited nothing, you made a sweeping claim and I wanted clarification on what exactly you meant / who exactly it was referring to. None of which would have been necessary if the wording of your frankly provocative statement wasn't so broad in the first place.

And if you want to find people desperate to be offended by something, I'd look closer to home.

Don't see much point in the two of us engaging in any futher conversation on the issue, I don't see much chance of a common ground being reached. :)

[Alf]

Apart from helen i cant remember many aggresive white girls doing very well either.No speaking up for White people, this is a thread for attacking White people.

[Beso]

No speaking up for White people, this is a thread for attacking White people.

Oh right, well it needs merged with all the other ones then.

[hot2go]

Exactly.

Jo, Ife and Rachel were practically invisible in the edit and when they were shown they were just shown as quiet, nice, friendly girls. Yet they were all evicted over much more divisive charatcers :shrug:

And you think White House mates haven't been ?.....sorry, but you dream.....I don't have so many examples cause i don't hang on so much to those old previous shows....but two that spring to mind who were likeable and funny and came across as nice housemate and were evicted really early were the Eastnders actors who played Heather Trott and Sonia Jackson.

If you gen believe the show is so racist then why do you still support such bigotry ? Be like me watching a Chubby Brown DVD, ain't ever gonna happen

[Jack_]

I incited nothing, you made a sweeping claim and I wanted clarification on what exactly you meant / who exactly it was referring to. None of which would have been necessary if the wording of your frankly provocative statement wasn't so broad in the first place.

And if you want to find people desperate to be offended by something, I'd look closer to home.

Don't see much point in the two of us engaging in any futher conversation on the issue, I don't see much chance of a common ground being reached. :)

Well only one other person responded (and nowhere near as dramatically either) so it can't have been that provocative can it? Maybe you were just looking for an argument, yes I think that's it :think:

LOL I knew that was coming. It's a predictable but entirely false statement I'm afraid. Believe it or not it actually takes a lot for me to be offended, and anyone who knows me that well would vouch for that - I wouldn't constantly defend the boundaries of comedy if I was easily offended. I don't find the inequality that minorities often experience in reality TV offensive, I find it disappointing. There's a difference.

I could have told you that before you even quoted my first post, but sure, I agree.

[VanessaFeltz.]

No speaking up for White people, this is a thread for attacking White people.

It is not attacking white people, we are just stating what we have been seeing for the last 16 years.

I am white too so..

[Headie]

And you think White House mates haven't been ?.....sorry, but you dream.....I don't have so many examples cause i don't hang on so much to those old previous shows....but two that spring to mind who were likeable and funny and came across as nice housemate and were evicted really early were the Eastnders actors who played Heather Trott and Sonia Jackson.

If you gen believe the show is so racist then why do you still support such bigotry ? Be like me watching a Chubby Brown DVD, ain't ever gonna happen

Yes but of course there are going to be white people evicted unjustly when 90% of the cast is white every year anyway? :shrug:

[hot2go]

No speaking up for White people, this is a thread for attacking White people.

I am....I think this reverse racism is very offensive and would never be allowed if it was the other way round.

[Jack_]

NOT 'reverse racism' omg

[Samm]

oh @ people saying it's because they pick the aggressive black females are we all forgetting half a year ago when Adjoa was evicted first and booed for no reason and she was probably one of the most innocent hms in recent times

[Samm]

No speaking up for White people, this is a thread for attacking White people.

No it isn't :conf:

[VanessaFeltz.]

I am....I think this reverse racism is very offensive and would never be allowed if it was the other way round.

Reverse racism DOES exist but this topic has nothing to do with it :shrug:

[Amy Jade]

Rachel Ifon's eviction was awful - she got an invisible edit but when they did show her she came across as a sweet, fun - loving girl - being evicted over John James and Dave was tragic and is still one of my least favourite evictions because of the nasty crowd treating her so awfully when shed done nothing to deserve it put me off the show, I watched only a few episodes after she left and quit altogether when Corin went.

[Headie]

oh @ people saying it's because they pick the aggressive black females are we all forgetting half a year ago when Adjoa was evicted first and booed for no reason and she was probably one of the most innocent hms in recent times

Yeah BB are partly responsible for casting black girl stereotypes... but like I said earlier it still doesn't account for why people like Alison, Adele, Anouska, Jo, Ife, Rachel, Rachael, Zoe, Adjoa etc. were all evicted and mostly heavily booed when they were neither 'aggressive' nor 'sassy' or w/e is classed as a stereotypical black girl.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Yeah BB are partly responsible for casting black girl stereotypes... but like I said earlier it still doesn't account for why people like Alison, Adele, Anouska, Jo, Ife, Rachel, Rachael, Zoe, Adjoa etc. were all evicted and mostly heavily booed when they were neither 'aggressive' nor 'sassy' or w/e is classed as a stereotypical black girl.

Oh the reason they booed zoe and voted her out was the most RIDDICULUS reason i have ever heard

[Beso]

oh @ people saying it's because they pick the aggressive black females are we all forgetting half a year ago when Adjoa was evicted first and booed for no reason and she was probably one of the most innocent hms in recent times

She said herself she wasnt being herself...maybe her vt was rank.

[Samm]

She aaaid herswlf she wasnt being herself...maybe her vt was rank.

what? all what she said in her VT was that she was a lesbian

[hot2go]

Yes but of course there are going to be white people evicted unjustly when 90% of the cast is white every year anyway? :shrug:

Well that's totally incorrect and frankly, out of order ...not that colour is the only thing that separates peoples culture anyway !! But this year we had Winston and Tiffany who were Black...we had Nancy who was Italian...Jeremy who was Irish...we had Jonathan and Kristina are Russain....we had 4 Americans, 2 gay guys and Gemma, who came from a planet all of her own.
Our country is diverse and accepting ...and people who aren't and people who think we aren't are a dying breed, thank god....in my opinion you are wrong but I believe that you think you are right......must be a terrible weight to carry around

[Headie]

Well that's totally incorrect and frankly, out of order ...not that colour is the only thing that separates peoples culture anyway !! But this year we had Winston and Tiffany who were Black...we had Nancy who was Italian...Jeremy who was Irish...we had Jonathan and Kristina are Russain....we had 4 Americans, 2 gay guys and Gemma, who came from a planet all of her own.
Our country is diverse and accepting ...and people who aren't and people who think we aren't are a dying breed, thank god....in my opinion you are wrong but I believe that you think you are right......must be a terrible weight to carry around

Do you realise that nationality, sexuality and personality are all completely different from race? :conf:

[Beso]

what? all what she said in her VT was that she was a lesbian


Poor vt then, she should have done better.

[hot2go]

Do you realise that nationality, sexuality and personality are all completely different from race? :conf:

Be pedantic if you want, be my guest ....I'm proving how diverse the show is and how many cultures there are involved...race is not divided into two groups, only black and white...and people who think like that are people who only think in black and white.

[Headie]

Be pedantic if you want, be my guest ....I'm proving how diverse the show is and how many cultures there are involved...race is not divided into two groups, only black and white...and people who think like that are people who only think in black and white.

You're completely changing the topic of discussion here so I have no clue what to respond.

What does this have to do with a black woman never winning this show?

[Samm]

Poor vt then, she should have done better.

Lol alright then

[Mystic Mock]

No speaking up for White people, this is a thread for attacking White people.

It's not a thread attacking white people, it's just a thread pointing out how white Housemates get away with more than what black Housemates can, and the Asian Housemates are a rare find on Ch5's BB's to even discuss their statistics.

If Stephanie had've been black in this series do you think that she would've bagged 2nd place with her behaviour? I highly doubt it, I do think she might've made the final due to the production loving her, but she would've probably been the first out in the final.

[Lostie!]

Well only one other person responded (and nowhere near as dramatically either) so it can't have been that provocative can it? Maybe you were just looking for an argument, yes I think that's it :think:

Well then you need to "think" again. I responded in the way I did because you said "people" (without even bothering to specify whether you meant all or some of those "people") who take issue with such frequent accusations of racism are guilty of either racism or turning a blind eye to racism themselves and it happens to be a topic I feel strongly about, considering I'm mixed race and have been on the receiving end of the very thing you saw fit to accuse a group of people (of which I was one of) of being guilty of.

As I said, it's just another of an increasing amount of examples of people feeling perfectly content with accusing people they know nothing about of being racist and it's absolutely shameful (and, contrary to what you think, certainly does trivialise the issue).

I don't give a damn how many or few responded, that doesn't make it any less provocative and if you don't like being asked to answer for and actually explain the claims you make, don't bother making them in the first place or at least attempt to word them better.

[hot2go]

You're completely changing the topic of discussion here so I have no clue what to respond.

What does this have to do with a black woman never winning this show?

I'm doing no such thing....you say the show is racist and only for white people and I'm telling you that it's not about black and white, it's about being diverse and including anyone, not making special dispensation only for black people...I proved how diverse the show is by listing the many different backgrounds within it....you on the other hand have yet to say anything to constitute your claims that I can take seriouslly.... As far as I'm concerned there is only one race, the human race...in all its colours and it's differences...Not just BLACK and WHITE...I don't think any views I have can be perceived as racist....as for yours, i can only reflect on how they come across to me and you know the answer to that.

[Vicky.]

oh @ people saying it's because they pick the aggressive black females are we all forgetting half a year ago when Adjoa was evicted first and booed for no reason and she was probably one of the most innocent hms in recent times

Adjoa was seriously ****ing annoying and had a filthy mouth, was obsessed with 'pussy' from what I remember. I don't know where all of this 'she was great and did nothing wrong has come from' :umm2:

[LukeB]

Adjoa was seriously ****ing annoying and had a filthy mouth, was obsessed with 'pussy' from what I remember. I don't know where all of this 'she was great and did nothing wrong has come from' :umm2:

saying pussy and having a filthy mouth is no excuse to go "OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF" "boooooooooo" her reaction was really OTT, they sounded aggressive towards her.

[Vicky.]

saying pussy and having a filthy mouth is no excuse to go "OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF" "boooooooooo" her reaction was really OTT, they sounded aggressive towards her.

They off off off everyone, and its rare to NOT get booed these days unfortunately :S

[hot2go]

Adjoa was seriously ****ing annoying and had a filthy mouth, was obsessed with 'pussy' from what I remember. I don't know where all of this 'she was great and did nothing wrong has come from' :umm2:

Totally agree....I liked her at first, she was a fellow Brummie from what I recall...but her constantly talking about pussy and her childish sulking because she had been nominated were exactly why people in and out of the house voted her off....I do believe that despite what Rylan thinks, there are a lot of people who went off Tiffany for the same reason and that contributed to her coming fourth...too Vulger in the last week....puts some people off...was def why Adjoa got booted.

Ironically when a man spoke like that, Ken Moorley, he was thrown out of the house for it....I don't hear the ' it's not fare ' police on here fighting his corner over that injustice

[Jack_]

Well then you need to "think" again. I responded in the way I did because you said "people" (without even bothering to specify whether you meant all or some of those "people") who take issue with such frequent accusations of racism are guilty of either racism or turning a blind eye to racism themselves and it happens to be a topic I feel strongly about, considering I'm mixed race and have been on the receiving end of the very thing you saw fit to accuse a group of people (of which I was one of) of being guilty of.

As I said, it's just another of an increasing amount of examples of people feeling perfectly content with accusing people they know nothing about of being racist and it's absolutely shameful (and, contrary to what you think, certainly does trivialise the issue).

I don't give a damn how many or few responded, that doesn't make it any less provocative and if you don't like being asked to answer for and actually explain the claims you make, don't bother making them in the first place or at least attempt to word them better.

I shouldn't have to specify, if I say 'people' and you take that to mean every person that's ever existed ever then that's your problem :shrug: I still stand by what I said, but I will change the wording now for you if it's so incredibly difficult to surmise what I most likely meant: some people don't like the thread title being pointed out because they either know it's true, or worse, are guilty of it themselves. Hopefully this puts such a ridiculous discussion to bed because it should be quite obvious that I couldn't possibly be talking about everyone, it's a turn of phrase that has common usage and not many people genuinely think it applies to all. When I say 'people don't like argumentative housemates' I cannot possibly mean everyone because quite clearly some people do. The same would apply here and in other instances of the use of the word 'people'. I am not about to overthink every word I use in every sentence I ever construct just to be absolutely sure that already blindingly obvious meanings are evident to everyone that reads them, that should go without saying. Such incessant self analysis of semantics would be akin to those who go around saying 'in your opinion' implying people need to write 'IMO' at the end of everything they post on a forum just to be absolutely clear that, shock horror, their post is their bloody opinion. It all goes without saying, quite frankly. And now you've managed to involve me in a discussion of semantics after all so congratulations on that.

Funnily enough I was actually accused of racism on here once before, and on another occasion someone insinuated as much, so to make out I have no idea of the seriousness of such accusations when I've been on the receiving end of them is silly. The difference is in those instances there was no evidence to support the claims, they didn't even make out they had any evidence and they most certainly did not know anything about me. I, however, believe there is evidence to justify the claims I am making. It is not widespread and it does in no way apply to every member of this forum, nor every single viewer of this show, but it does exist.

I couldn't care less who wishes to respond to my posts, I'm merely pointing out that it can't have been that provocative if only one person kicked up a fuss over it (queue more people doing so now or something) and that as you've already said, there isn't much point in us continuing this discussion (or most other ones to be quite frank) as we aren't going to agree. Feel free to continue and I will respond, but it seems a bit bizarre to say that and then continue replying?

[MrWong]

Totally agree....I liked her at first, she was a fellow Brummie from what I recall...but her constantly talking about pussy and her childish sulking because she had been nominated were exactly why people in and out of the house voted her off....I do believe that despite what Rylan thinks, there are a lot of people who went off Tiffany for the same reason and that contributed to her coming fourth...too Vulger in the last week....puts some people off...was def why Adjoa got booted.

Ironically when a man spoke like that, Ken Moorley, he was thrown out of the house for it....I don't hear the ' it's not fare ' police on here fighting his corner over that injustice

Wasn't he thrown out for his story about Frank Bruno? Calling him a n***o. Which was after he'd already called Alexander O'Neal a 'nice big fat n***o'.

[Lostie!]

I shouldn't have to specify, if I say 'people' and you take that to mean every person that's ever existed ever then that's your problem :shrug: I still stand by what I said, but I will change the wording now for you if it's so incredibly difficult to surmise what I most likely meant: some people don't like the thread title being pointed out because they either know it's true, or worse, are guilty of it themselves. Hopefully this puts such a ridiculous discussion to bed because it should be quite obvious that I couldn't possibly be talking about everyone, it's a turn of phrase that has common usage and not many people genuinely think it applies to all. When I say 'people don't like argumentative housemates' I cannot possibly mean everyone because quite clearly some people do. The same would apply here and in other instances of the use of the word 'people'. I am not about to overthink every word I use in every sentence I ever construct just to be absolutely sure that already blindingly obvious meanings are evident to everyone that reads them, that should go without saying. Such incessant self analysis of semantics would be akin to those who go around saying 'in your opinion' implying people need to write 'IMO' at the end of everything they post on a forum just to be absolutely clear that, shock horror, their post is their bloody opinion. It all goes without saying, quite frankly. And now you've managed to involve me in a discussion of semantics after all so congratulations on that.

This reminds me of the people who go around insulting people and then say "Well you chose to be insulted, not my fault". Of course you should have to specify if you insist on making such strong claims and accusations in such a broad, generalised manner. It's not even slightly comparable to the "in my opinion" example.

Funnily enough I was actually accused of racism on here once before, and on another occasion someone insinuated as much, so to make out I have no idea of the seriousness of such accusations when I've been on the receiving end of them is silly. The difference is in those instances there was no evidence to support the claims, they didn't even make out they had any evidence and they most certainly did not know anything about me. I, however, believe there is evidence to justify the claims I am making. It is not widespread and it does in no way apply to every member of this forum, nor every single viewer of this show, but it does exist.

Thanks for the clarification that I so unreasonably sought. :)

I couldn't care less who wishes to respond to my posts, I'm merely pointing out that it can't have been that provocative if only one person kicked up a fuss over it (queue more people doing so now or something) and that as you've already said, there isn't much point in us continuing this discussion (or most other ones to be quite frank) as we aren't going to agree. Feel free to continue and I will respond, but it seems a bit bizarre to say that and then continue replying?

I replied again because you decided to make an inaccurate assumption as to why I responded as strongly as I did even after I'd already stated why I feel so strongly on the issue. Since I actually have an iota of self respect I wanted to set you straight on that. Nothing bizarre about that. I stand by the fact that we have nothing more to say to each other on the issue of racism playing a significant role in BB results, but if you're going to misrepresent me I will gladly continue to respond and reaffirm the actual facts.

[ScottyT]

A black woman could win this show if they show the public they are a decent human being - none have done it so far.

[LukeB]

A black woman could win this show if they show the public they are a decent human being - none have done it so far.

this female was genuinely nice and lovely aka a decent human being.. gets evicted (On Vote To Evict)
http://www.tvthrong.co.uk/files/u1465/rachel1.jpg

[Vicky.]

this female was genuinely nice and lovely aka a decent human being.. gets evicted (On Vote To Evict)
http://www.tvthrong.co.uk/files/u1465/rachel1.jpg

I have no idea who this is :conf:

[Lostie!]

A black woman could win this show if they show the public they are a decent human being - none have done it so far.

Plenty have been decent (which itself isn't exactly criteria for winning nowadays when people like Helen Wood are doing it).

[arista]

And that's a fact.


Thats not true.
We need a UK Black Lady
next time

[LukeB]

I have no idea who this is :conf:

Rachel from BB11 she was a newbie.

[Vicky.]

Plenty have been decent (which itself isn't exactly criteria for winning nowadays when people like Helen Wood are doing it).

Cmon, Helen ius an exception to the rule surely. She would never have been anywhere near the final without the pass and some still think she only won as part of a betting scam.

No other winner has been as horrendous as Helen. Infact usually its the quiet 'nice' ones that win in the end :(

This is on normal BB. Celeb BB comes down to how many fans you have pre-show usually it seems

[Vicky.]

Rachel from BB11 she was a newbie.

Still don't remember her :S

[Cal.]

Adjoa being verbally abused and bullied by the fat chavs in the crowd still haunts me :worry: </3

That was horrible. Even Emma picked up on that and she usually ignores crowd chanting which shows how obvious it was in that instance.

I don't think people think outright 'ugh she's black I hate her' it's just the stereotype/stigma a black female has.

[hot2go]

Wasn't he thrown out for his story about Frank Bruno? Calling him a n***o. Which was after he'd already called Alexander O'Neal a 'nice big fat n***o'.

I don't believe so...I think he was told that his use of the word was out dated and is offensive now to others and was told to stop with immediate effect...
He was thrown out for inappropriate language regarding his attraction to the young female housemates....just like Tiffany...,in fact he merely said he liked being around the girls when they were in the bathroom...Tiffany actually looked at the naked body of another housemate and made sexual remarks about it.

[MrWong]

I don't believe so...I think he was told that his use of the word was out dated and is offensive now to others and was told to stop with immediate effect...
He was thrown out for inappropriate language regarding his attraction to the young female housemates....just like Tiffany...,in fact he merely said he liked being around the girls when they were in the bathroom...Tiffany actually looked at the naked body of another housemate and made sexual remarks about it.

Pretty sure it was the fact he repeated the word n***o after already being warned about using the word to describe Alexander.

The girls didn't like being stared at in the bathroom.

Scotty T encouraged Tiff and loved the attention.

Comparing the two situations is daft.

[ScottyT]

Why does a black woman need to win it anyway? You win it if you get the most votes. This thread is so pointless.

[Pete.]

Rachel from BB11 she was a newbie.
Enigma Rachel :worship:

[Kazanne]

From what I have seen of the UK version,the black women they decide to put in have all been mouthy,uncouth , Tiffany was probably the best of the bunch.I'm sure if they chose better we would see a black woman win,why is it so important anyway ? Colour doesn't really come into it,it is also NOT the reason she lost.

[Jack_]

This reminds me of the people who go around insulting people and then say "Well you chose to be insulted, not my fault". Of course you should have to specify if you insist on making such strong claims and accusations in such a broad, generalised manner. It's not even slightly comparable to the "in my opinion" example.

lmfao it's nothing of the sort. Again, if you choose to take 'people' to mean every person that's ever existed, that is your problem. I doubt any person that's ever used that word in a sentence has ever been referring to everyone, and I'm pretty damn sure most people understand that. All this is is petty semantics, and you know full well it is. It is completely akin to the 'IMO' example and actually if I remember correctly you may be one of the people who has pulled people up on that before so it's unsurprising you think they are unrelated. Anyway, I've given you my already obvious clarification so unless you need me to repeat it again why don't we end this completely pointless part of the discussion?

Thanks for the clarification that I so unreasonably sought. :)

You are so very welcome :hee: is there anything else you need me to clarify? How about pointing out my original post in this thread was '...in my opinion'? Actually that's a good one, yeah. People may disagree but I posted it because it was my opinion. Can't really think of any other obvious things that need clarifying but please do make sure to point them out to me if you spot them!

I replied again because you decided to make an inaccurate assumption as to why I responded as strongly as I did even after I'd already stated why I feel so strongly on the issue. Since I actually have an iota of self respect I wanted to set you straight on that. Nothing bizarre about that. I stand by the fact that we have nothing more to say to each other on the issue of racism playing a significant role in BB results, but if you're going to misrepresent me I will gladly continue to respond and reaffirm the actual facts.

Let me make this clear: I can totally understand why racism is an issue so close to your heart, and it goes without saying that I am sorry you have had to experience it, but to jump on a post that was so obviously not directed at every person ever in the manner than you did, as I have already explained above and in several other posts - was really quite unnecessary. I will end this post here for fear of recycling what I've already explained, but it is nothing more than semantics I'm afraid. It doesn't take a genius to work out that I couldn't possibly be talking about everyone that's ever posted on here or anyone that's ever watched the show, it's common sense.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Cmon, Helen ius an exception to the rule surely. She would never have been anywhere near the final without the pass and some still think she only won as part of a betting scam.

No other winner has been as horrendous as Helen. Infact usually its the quiet 'nice' ones that win in the end :(

This is on normal BB. Celeb BB comes down to how many fans you have pre-show usually it seems

Or the useless ones that bb sells us as nice.

For example Chloe, she was mean and nasty, nothing was nice about her when they were trying to sell her as "a nice normal girl"

Or Sam, i literally cant see how he was soo nice

Or Josie, nasty bitch made Caoimhe leave

vs vs

[susie q]

A black woman could win this show if they show the public they are a decent human being - none have done it so far.

Rusty Lee would be good, she comes across as quite strong, but funny with it. She would also be a good cook, Ive still got one of her recipe books.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

this female was genuinely nice and lovely aka a decent human being.. gets evicted (On Vote To Evict)
http://www.tvthrong.co.uk/files/u1465/rachel1.jpg

Tbf wasn't she the one that was suppose to be friends with Ben and then nominated him and worked in cahoots with Mario to get him evicted?:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Rusty Lee would be good, she comes across as quite strong, but funny with it. She would also be a good cook, Ive still got one of her recipe books.:laugh:

Everybody has a dark side to themselves though and you don't know if BB would just show the negative sides to her personality just to bring her down like they did with Charley Uchea in BB8 who was a lot nicer on Live Feed and was deeply misunderstood imo.

I feel it's less about the public being racist and more to do with the production wanting to vilify black contestants full stop, but the public are more naturally against women full stop so that's why the black women get it worse.

[cassieparis]

So Helen Wood was black then? Megan, Angie, and Stephanie were all more aggressive than Tiff. They all attacked the DR camera, the two youngsters had security called in. However they will get labeled feisty, Tiff will be labelled angry dangerous and aggressive. Even though when Megan had her "clean up her sh*t" rant folk were very happy to explain it away as the alcohol. Whereas Tiff's conduct was described as part of her nature, as you know black women are angry. ALL THE TIME.:joker::sleep:

Best post of the thread. The contrarians can now continue to tie their knots and themselves in denial of your logic.

These people that think racism is getting dressed up in sheets and shouting the N word must live this unconsciously as a defence mechanism.

[Tom4784]

So Helen Wood was black then? Megan, Angie, and Stephanie were all more aggressive than Tiff. They all attacked the DR camera, the two youngsters had security called in. However they will get labeled feisty, Tiff will be labelled angry dangerous and aggressive. Even though when Megan had her "clean up her sh*t" rant folk were very happy to explain it away as the alcohol. Whereas Tiff's conduct was described as part of her nature, as you know black women are angry. ALL THE TIME.:joker::sleep:

Excellent post.

[Cherie]

Cmon, Helen ius an exception to the rule surely. She would never have been anywhere near the final without the pass and some still think she only won as part of a betting scam.

No other winner has been as horrendous as Helen. Infact usually its the quiet 'nice' ones that win in the end :(

This is on normal BB. Celeb BB comes down to how many fans you have pre-show usually it seems

Helen would have been out the door without a final pass and a good final week edit gave her the edge, that's how fickle the voters are

[854]

Plus the woman who gave Helen the final pass was, drumroll please, black. Smh. Black women done so much for bb, yet underappreciated.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Plus the woman who gave Helen the final pass was, drumroll please, black. Smh. Black women done so much for bb, yet underappreciated.

Pauline is like the worst Black woman in bb history

[alex_front2]

If I were going on BB I would just be a much more cerebral "Nasty Nick" type villain or BB12 Aaron anti-hero rather than be likeable. The public would never vote for me if I were nice, funny due to 'suffering from 'black female-itis', no chance of winning the prize etc so might as well cause some dramatic scenes.

The hilarious thing is if the producers filled the house with 15 of the funniest, most charismatic, affable, wittiest, dramatic, endearing, sneakiest, entertaining cleverest black women and just 1 man such as ueber dullards: BB4 Gos, Scott, BB7 George , Michael BB 8 Jonathan Seany, David. BB9 Stuart, Mohammed Mohammad, Michael etc a black woman would still not win.:joker: Actually they should do this and I'd be right. In fact when the dull guy wins ala Cameron folk will say 'cause he's a good guy' etc

[cassieparis]

They will have to find one worthy of winning ....up to now they have failed miserably

Pray do tell? Up till now you've liked which one as the winner? :wink:

[Briancbbfan]

Sinitta LOL :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

To be honest Sinitta and Jamelia are both definites in the future and they'll both be perceived very poorly...

I think they should get a black Real Housewife. Nene Leakes probably wouldn't do it but for a big fee?

[Pete.]

this female was genuinely nice and lovely aka a decent human being.. gets evicted (On Vote To Evict)
http://www.tvthrong.co.uk/files/u1465/rachel1.jpg
:love:

[*mazedsalv**]

OK, i know it may not be a popular view, but I agree with the OP.

And FYI, I never thought Tiffany should win because she was black, I thought she should win because IMO she was one of the best HMs ever. If she couldn't win, I agree that I don't think any black woman would... well, certainly not an American black woman!

you get people like Rachel and Rachael in BB11 where the latter was booted first and booed to high heavens because she dared to not bow down to the bellend that is John James... who for the first 8 weeks of the series, was loved based on just his looks despite him being a nasty HM.

And then the other Rachel who was a very kind woman who was booed on exit.

But that's not to say it's just black women treated badly, the likes of Stephanie in BB9 was white and was unfairly booted out and had a mixed reaction despite her being a nice girl.

Do we forget that Mel was the first person to get a less than positive reaction in BB1... she was black.

Then the first if the horrific boos in BB3 went to Adele, which is fair because she was nasty.

Vanessa BB6 was a "meh" HM, but she got a dreadful reception.

The only thing we can say is that only Alison, Gina and Tiffany have been cheered on exit and were black. I understand there have been less black HMs than white ones, but how 3 out of at least what, 50? have been cheered...

Maybe we will have a black woman win in the future, but there will be a one in a billion chance that an American black woman would when you look at the fact there has only been 1 black winner... who was a guy, and 1 American winner (Gary).

[Crimson Dynamo]

People just can't a accept that their little pet hm came 4th

Still keep dreaming

:hehe:

[*mazedsalv**]

People just can't a accept that their little pet hm came 4th

Still keep dreaming

:hehe:

I don't really mind to be honest. I just think it's great for her that her that she will be remembered the most in the future.

In 10 years time I really doubt we will be here thinking about Scotty, Darren, Daniella, Kristina and Christopher.