12 men of Pakistani origin Jailed for raping a 13-year-old white girl

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/13/02/article-3445065-31264FA100000578-113_964x418.jpg
[The gang of men from Pakistani origin were
jailed for a total of 140 years
at Crown Court, for 13 months of
horrendous abuse of a British white
girl in Keighley, West Yorkshire.
However, the view expressed by
some members of the Muslim
community was that even if they
might have had sex with a 13-year-old,
she had lied about her age
and went with them willingly.
In other words, in that chilling phrase,
'it takes two to tango'.
Keighley was recently
named among
the 'least integrated' places in
the UK in a report by the
Policy Exchange think-tank.
Anyone who believes that race
and cultural differences are incidental
to these scandals should study
the evidence in this most recent case.
The young victim was repeatedly
called a 'little white bastard',
'little white slag', and 'white bitch'.
White girls are seen as more available,
more promiscuous and an easy outlet
for young Muslims who may be trapped
in unhappy arranged marriages. ]

[One of them
Arif Chowdhury, 20,
allegedly left for
Bangladesh during
the investigation after he was arrested
in 2012]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3445065/Twelve-rapists-13-year-old-girl-terrifying-truth-Britain-won-t-face.html#ixzz401wq0B7B

and also
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/08/twelve-men-sentenced-for-sexual-exploitation-of-keighley-teenager

[The ongoing inquiry in Rotherham
alone — which is expected to
run until 2018 — has already
identified 300 ‘predominantly’ Asian
suspects and an estimated 1,400 young
female victims over the past 16 years.]





So they are in a trapped marriage
due to strict Muslim
guidelines.

Not nice for them,
but to Rape this White 13 year old
girl for 13 months,
That was Evil

[Ninastar]

Poor girl :sad: I've been to Keighley before and it's pretty scary. I was told by a kid in year 4 that he was gonna set his dog on my cause I was white... A teacher then told me that one of the boys in year 6 held a gun up at her when she was in her car on the way home... Not a nice place at all/

[Ammi]

..it took a little more than 'two to tango', it took twelve to gang rape...

[arista]

..it took a little more than 'two to tango', it took twelve to gang rape...


Yes Pathetic .

[kirklancaster]

:nono: Enough with this xenphobia, racism, and Islamaphobia. You should know better Arista.

[Kazanne]

Bloody disgusting filth, send them home,we don't need that sort here,we have enough low lifes already,but they are probably Brits mores the pity.

[arista]

:nono: Enough with this xenphobia, racism, and Islamaphobia. You should know better Arista.



Yes you may find that problem
the secret is use the words direct from the DM
Edit the Headline to better words
and give the Official link.


So in a way
I do now better

[Nicky91]

Poor Girl


and i really hope those idiots get life in prison

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Another way to vilify Muslims. When there's a sex ring of white men it's certainly not reported in the same manner.

I remember the case of women saying they don't want Muslim cab drivers because they might get raped, yeah ok love but the White cab driver could also rape you.


Other than that, terrible act. Lock them up and throw away the key...but not because they're MUSLIM!

[Jordan.]

Another way to vilify Muslims. When there's a sex ring of white men it's certainly not reported in the same manner.

I remember the case of women saying they don't want Muslim cab drivers because they might get raped, yeah ok love but the White cab driver could also rape you.


Other than that, terrible act. Lock them up and throw away the key...but not because they're MUSLIM!


It's nice your empathy is in the right place!

[DemolitionRed]

They all deserve prison sentences and so does her mum by the sound of it.

This gives a much clearer picture of what unfolded and who got what sentence and why
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/08/twelve-men-sentenced-for-sexual-exploitation-of-keighley-teenager

[Northern Monkey]

Keighley is a very good example of how a beautiful looking place can be turned into a ****ing ****hole.I have been many times.

[VanessaFeltz.]

I am sick of their nasty culture. I am used to see guys raping girls and saying girls wanted it. İt happens everyday in turkey and they get away with it. Like not all the muslim people are like that ofc but culture/religion itself is nasty and now they are ****ing europe up like they ****ed their own country. I am sick of hearing people from syria running away from war then these countries (specially turkey) open their borders so they can live then these ***** **** that country up and push their nasty culture. If you are gonna live in somewhere you have no right to disturbe the people living there. I dont care if people think i am islam hater or something but i have had enough of these people ruining my and other peoples lives. If you are muslim and you are nice and dont do these things then my words arent for you but these people are using their religions as an excuse to justify their nasty actions.

[Denver]

Another way to vilify Muslims. When there's a sex ring of white men it's certainly not reported in the same manner.

I remember the case of women saying they don't want Muslim cab drivers because they might get raped, yeah ok love but the White cab driver could also rape you.


Other than that, terrible act. Lock them up and throw away the key...but not because they're MUSLIM!

There has been child abuse rings exposed in the past involving white people so I don't understand your argument?

This is a reason why we should have the death sentence because they will have a nice life in prison most likely all get out alive while this girls life has effectively been destroyed and she will probably never be able to live a normal life again, she was fail to trust men probably even be scared of them and what support will she get? A few months consoling then thrown on the scrapheap.

[Nicky91]

There has been child abuse rings exposed in the past involving white people so I don't understand your argument?

This is a reason why we should have the death sentence because they will have a nice life in prison most likely all get out alive while this girls life has effectively been destroyed and she will probably never be able to live a normal life again, she was fail to trust men probably even be scared of them and what support will she get? A few months consoling then thrown on the scrapheap.

well said, mate


we must support this girl, and show our support to this girl

[Scarlett.]

****ing pricks, all of them. Feel so sorry for the girl :(

[Alf]

Another way to vilify Muslims. When there's a sex ring of white men it's certainly not reported in the same manner.

I remember the case of women saying they don't want Muslim cab drivers because they might get raped, yeah ok love but the White cab driver could also rape you.


Other than that, terrible act. Lock them up and throw away the key...but not because they're MUSLIM!
The voice of the modern left

Try this one on for size, Islam is a fascist death cult.

[lostalex]

only half of them are cute.

[Denver]

only half of them are cute.

Yes because when a young girl is raped the first thing we think about is are the rapist's cute :umm2:

[Nicky91]

Yes because when a young girl is raped the first thing we think about is are the rapist's cute :umm2:

nobody of those losers is cute :duh:

[Tom4784]

Animals.

:nono: Enough with this xenphobia, racism, and Islamaphobia. You should know better Arista.

Using the sexual abuse of a girl to mock people who don't agree with your agenda? How low of you.

[Tom4784]

The voice of the modern left

Try this one on for size, Islam is a fascist death cult.

All organised religions have been used to justify violence in the past, to pick out one and hate them and not all of them is utter foolishness.

Look at America, there's more incidents of terrorism involving Christianity on a yearly basis than there are Islamic incidents. People will always use religion to justify their unjustifiable actions, regardless of creed.

[lostalex]

Yes because when a young girl is raped the first thing we think about is are the rapist's cute :umm2:

what do you mean by "we" white man?

[Nicky91]

Animals.



Using the sexual abuse of a girl to mock people who don't agree with your agenda? How low of you.

i agree with you

[Denver]

what do you mean by "we" white man?

Don't turn this into something about race you know fair well what I mean

[Nicky91]

All organised religions have been used to justify violence in the past, to pick out one and hate them and not all of them is utter foolishness.

Look at America, there's more incidents of terrorism involving Christianity on a yearly basis than there are Islamic incidents. People will always use religion to justify their unjustifiable actions, regardless of creed.

well said, i couldn't add more to this

[lostalex]

All organised religions have been used to justify violence in the past, to pick out one and hate them and not all of them is utter foolishness.

Look at America, there's more incidents of terrorism involving Christianity on a yearly basis than there are Islamic incidents. People will always use religion to justify their unjustifiable actions, regardless of creed.

WTF are you talking about? please list the number of terrorist attacks by christians in America(which i assume you consider a christian country) compared to the number of terrorists attacks by muslims in the muslim world... let's compare like to like...

or we could compare the number of murders of muslims in America, versus the number of christians and gays murdered in the muslim world...

no matter how you slice it, the muslims kill THOUSANDS more... so i don't understand your point...

Please show us the statistics to back up your claim Dezzy, because i've never heard someone make such an outrageous claim before.

Are you actually suggesting that american christians are as violent and hateful and ignorant and just plain EVIL as muslims in muslim countries??? REALY?

You are very misguided and ignorant of the facts if you believe that.

[arista]

They all deserve prison sentences and so does her mum by the sound of it.

This gives a much clearer picture of what unfolded and who got what sentence and why
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/08/twelve-men-sentenced-for-sexual-exploitation-of-keighley-teenager


Thanks DR
I will add that link to my first post

[Crimson Dynamo]

WTF are you talking about? please list the number of terrorist attacks by christians in America(which i assume you consider a christian country) compared to the number of terrorists attacks by muslims in the muslim world... let's compare like to like...

or we could compare the number of murders of muslims in Amrica, versus the number of christians murdered in the muslim world...

no matter how you slice it, the muslims kill THOUSANDS more... so i don't understand your point...

Please show us the statistics to back up your claim Dizzy, because i;ve never heard someone make such an outrageous claim before.

Are you actually suggesting that american christians are as violent and hateful and ignorant and just plain EVIL as muslims in muslim countries??? REALY?

You are very misguided and ignorant of the facts if you believe that.

:clap1:

[Alf]

All organised religions have been used to justify violence in the past, to pick out one and hate them and not all of them is utter foolishness.

Look at America, there's more incidents of terrorism involving Christianity on a yearly basis than there are Islamic incidents. People will always use religion to justify their unjustifiable actions, regardless of creed.
Go in the "Why are Gods invisible" thread you'll see I also call Christianity a death cult.


But it's nice of you to only label these as "Animals" that's easy to do, you'd really like to call them more but your a coward.

Not so cowardly when it comes to Western White men, you don't have any hesitation labelling them racists, bigots, homophobes, Sexists and anything else you can get away with calling them.

[Tom4784]

Go in the "Why are Gods invisible" thread you'll see I also call Christianity a death cult.


But it's nice of you to only label these as "Animals" that's easy to do, you'd really like to call them more but your a coward.

Not so cowardly when it comes to Western White men, you don't have any hesitation labelling them racists, bigots, homophobes, Sexists and anything else you can get away with calling them.

You have quite the victim complex.

[VanessaFeltz.]

WTF are you talking about? please list the number of terrorist attacks by christians in America(which i assume you consider a christian country) compared to the number of terrorists attacks by muslims in the muslim world... let's compare like to like...

or we could compare the number of murders of muslims in America, versus the number of christians and gays murdered in the muslim world...

no matter how you slice it, the muslims kill THOUSANDS more... so i don't understand your point...

Please show us the statistics to back up your claim Dezzy, because i've never heard someone make such an outrageous claim before.

Are you actually suggesting that american christians are as violent and hateful and ignorant and just plain EVIL as muslims in muslim countries??? REALY?

You are very misguided and ignorant of the facts if you believe that.
I cant believe i am saying this but actually i agree with you on this one.

I have no respect for the muslim society for making my and other gay peoples life hell. If they didnt thrust their religion -also other religions are guilty for some degree - upon us then world would be more peaceful

[Tom4784]

WTF are you talking about? please list the number of terrorist attacks by christians in America(which i assume you consider a christian country) compared to the number of terrorists attacks by muslims in the muslim world... let's compare like to like...

or we could compare the number of murders of muslims in America, versus the number of christians and gays murdered in the muslim world...

no matter how you slice it, the muslims kill THOUSANDS more... so i don't understand your point...

Please show us the statistics to back up your claim Dezzy, because i've never heard someone make such an outrageous claim before.

Are you actually suggesting that american christians are as violent and hateful and ignorant and just plain EVIL as muslims in muslim countries??? REALY?

You are very misguided and ignorant of the facts if you believe that.

I've got statistics on my side, sweetheart.

Over the past 30 or so years, only 7% of attacks classified as terrorism by the FBI themselves have been comitted by Islamic terrorists. Since 9/11 less than 1 percent of violent deaths in America have been as a result of Islamic terrorism. The vast majority of terrorism in America is committed by extreme political groups and for some reason, latin groups although I'm not sure what the story is there.

As an American, you're more likely to die in a terror attack committed by a psychotic white teenager who has brought a gun to school or a public place than you are from an attack orchestrated by a Muslim of Arabic descent. Attacks on places like abortion clinics from Christian extremists is more common in America than Islamic terror attacks.

It's near enough the same story in Europe, even with the recent attacks in France you're still more likely to die to a terror attack orchestrated from a European entity than a Muslim one.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

There has been child abuse rings exposed in the past involving white people so I don't understand your argument?

reporting things in such a way that causes a lot of hate like from Melihv. When Christians criminals like KKK or just criminals in general claim to do things in the name of Christianity we don't blame all Christians. Muslims should be granted the same.

[Ninastar]

reporting things in such a way that causes a lot of hate like from Melihv. When Christians criminals like KKK or just criminals in general claim to do things in the name of Christianity we don't blame all Christians. Muslims should be granted the same.

Almost like blaming all white people for racism, huh?

[VanessaFeltz.]

reporting things in such a way that causes a lot of hate like from Melihv. When Christians criminals like KKK or just criminals in general claim to do things in the name of Christianity we don't blame all Christians. Muslims should be granted the same.

To be fair i live in an islamic country so for me to judge muslim culture/quran is like an atheist judging christianity in a christian country

[Northern Monkey]

Almost like blaming all white people for racism, huh?

:clap1:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Almost like blaming all white people for racism, huh?

Did I blame all white people? But certainly this is most white peoples come back when racism is mentioned. They like to ridicule those that claim it exists or don't like to acknowledge the fact that they are still benefiting from the past actions. "The new form of racism is denying racism exists"

[Kizzy]

Ah well while there is pitchfork waving for this group let's ignore the fact this kind of exploitation and abuse has been happening for decades, longer.
Anyone read 'Dark Heart' by Nick Davies? it explains how this has been established and tolerated generation after generation.
Isn't the latest advice that rape victims not be believed? That's going to encourage young girls to expose abusers isn't it? :/

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Btw, unrelated, Arista. Why didn't you create a thread about the US cop that just got 268 yrs for targeting black women to rape? You don't care about black queens.:bawling:

[Denver]

Btw, unrelated, Arista. Why didn't you create a thread about the US cop that just got 268 yrs for targeting black women to rape? You don't care about black queens.:bawling:

Why dont you make it? I dont even think it made news in the UK

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Why dont you make it? I dont even think it made news in the UK

Of course it didn't. Didn't even make it on US main news. People know about it through twitter which is a damn shame. If a cop did that to numerous white girls it would be over the news. :bawling: He even abused a grandma :facepalm:

[lostalex]

I've got statistics on my side, sweetheart.

Over the past 30 or so years, only 7% of attacks classified as terrorism by the FBI themselves have been comitted by Islamic terrorists. Since 9/11 less than 1 percent of violent deaths in America have been as a result of Islamic terrorism. The vast majority of terrorism in America is committed by extreme political groups and for some reason, latin groups although I'm not sure what the story is there.

As an American, you're more likely to die in a terror attack committed by a psychotic white teenager who has brought a gun to school or a public place than you are from an attack orchestrated by a Muslim of Arabic descent. Attacks on places like abortion clinics from Christian extremists is more common in America than Islamic terror attacks.

It's near enough the same story in Europe, even with the recent attacks in France you're still more likely to die to a terror attack orchestrated from a European entity than a Muslim one.

You are not comparing like to like, you are talking about IN AMERICA... first of all muslims are only 1% of the US population, but they are responsible for 7% of the terrorist deaths? what does that tell you?

but i don't understand why you are only talking about America? i'm talking about GLOBALLY. Why are you pretending like the muslim majority countries don't exist, and why aren't you including those countries in your opinion??

and calling a lone gunman teenager a "terrorist" is ridiculous... there are not a billion white teenagers who all go to the same mosque and congregate every week. they are individuals, they can;t be lumped together at all. but people who self identify as part of an organization certainly can be lumped together, it's their culture, their texts, their religion, their ideology that links them all together.

comparing muslim terrorists to teens with mental health problems and a hormonal imbalance is not the same at all.

[arista]

Btw, unrelated, Arista. Why didn't you create a thread about the US cop that just got 268 yrs for targeting black women to rape? You don't care about black queens.:bawling:



I have not had time,
I do care about that story.
You should do a thread on it
with proper links.

[Tom4784]

You are not comparing like to like, you are talking about IN AMERICA... first of all muslims are only 1% of the US population, but they are responsible for 7% of the terrorist deaths? what does that tell you?

but i don't understand why you are only talking about America? i'm talking about GLOBALLY. Why are you pretending like the muslim majority countries don't exist, and why aren't you including those countries in your opinion??

and calling a lone gunman teenager a "terrorist" is ridiculous... there are not a billion white teenagers who all go to the same mosque and congregate every week. they are individuals, they can;t be lumped together at all. but people who self identify as part of an organization certainly can be lumped together, it's their culture, their texts, their religion, their ideology that links them all together.

comparing muslim terrorists to teens with mental health problems and a hormonal imbalance is not the same at all.

The reaching is real.

I don't think it needed to be said, I already said in my post that most terror attacks in America are committed by Americans just like most terror attacks in Europe are committed by Europeans. It's only common sense that most terror attacks in a Muslim country will be committed by Muslims. Do try to keep up and don't rely on stating the blindingly obvious as an argument, Alex.

You are the EMBODIMENT of White Privilege. If someone with dark skin plans to set off a bomb or shoot up a place then they are a terrorist but if it's a white person then they're obviously suffering from some deep seated mental issues and they're just tragically misunderstood! It's not terrorism if the perpatrator's white! Terrorism is not something that's reserved for religion, anyone that seeks to spread terror and death is a terrorist, a lone gunman that wants to shoot up a school is as much of a terrorist as a Christian terrorist that bombs an abortion clinic or an Islamic terrorist that shoots up a place.

Also, surely anyone that wants to commit mass murder is surely not right in the head, mental issues are not only reserved for white people nor is it an excuse or justification for mass murder, it's rather sickening that you are basically defending these mass murderers because they are white.

[lostalex]

The reaching is real.

I don't think it needed to be said, I already said in my post that most terror attacks in America are committed by Americans just like most terror attacks in Europe are committed by Europeans. It's only common sense that most terror attacks in a Muslim country will be committed by Muslims. Do try to keep up and don't rely on stating the blindingly obvious as an argument, Alex.

You are the EMBODIMENT of White Privilege. If someone with dark skin plans to set off a bomb or shoot up a place then they are a terrorist but if it's a white person then they're obviously suffering from some deep seated mental issues and they're just tragically misunderstood! It's not terrorism if the perpatrator's white! Terrorism is not something that's reserved for religion, anyone that seeks to spread terror and death is a terrorist, a lone gunman that wants to shoot up a school is as much of a terrorist as a Christian terrorist that bombs an abortion clinic or an Islamic terrorist that shoots up a place.

Also, surely anyone that wants to commit mass murder is surely not right in the head, mental issues are not only reserved for white people nor is it an excuse or justification for mass murder, it's rather sickening that you are basically defending these mass murderers because they are white.

White privilege? i'm a gay man, i don't even have equal rights under the law in my own country, but you tell me i am privileged?? LOL! sorry that story doesn't fly... try again.

LMAO @ me having privilege! :joker:

You need to stop getting your facts from Facebook dahlink!

[lostalex]

reporting things in such a way that causes a lot of hate like from Melihv. When Christians criminals like KKK or just criminals in general claim to do things in the name of Christianity we don't blame all Christians. Muslims should be granted the same.

the difference is the USA has dealt with the KKK, as a majority christian country, the USA dealt with the KKK and they are a weak little group that has been reduced to a few people writing emails in their basements. they have been defeated. when are the muslims going to defeat the extremists in their religion in all muslim countries???

Why did American christians defeat the KKK but muslims claim they can't do anything about their own extremists???

[Livia]

It's not just the Muslim religion that allows some factions to treat women as lesser beings, and especially white women; it's the Pakistani culture that allows it. Sadly some people done realise that when they're in another country, not every part of their home culture is welcomed. We had Libyan troops here for training who were also Muslim, first night out they raped and sexually assaulted. While indigenous Britons of all colours do rape and sexually assault, they don't all believe it's their right.

[lostalex]

It's not just the Muslim religion that allows some factions to treat women as lesser beings, and especially white women; it's the Pakistani culture that allows it. Sadly some people done realise that when they're in another country, not every part of their home culture is welcomed. We had Libyan troops here for training who were also Muslim, first night out they raped and sexually assaulted. While indigenous Britons of all colours do rape and sexually assault, they don't all believe it's their right.

it's not just about having a culture that doesn't rape. it's about having a culture where most men would DEFEND women and risk their own lives to protect women if they saw a woman being abused.

[Tom4784]

White privilege? i'm a gay man, i don't even have equal rights under the law in my own country, but you tell me i am privileged?? LOL! sorry that story doesn't fly... try again.

LMAO @ me having privilege! :joker:

You need to stop getting your facts from Facebook dahlink!

Your sexuality has nothing to do with this, this is a race issue and it's about the fact that you basically think that white people cannot be considered terrorists even if they engage in terrorist acts.

[lostalex]

Your sexuality has nothing to do with this, this is a race issue and it's about the fact that you basically think that white people cannot be considered terrorists even if they engage in terrorist acts.

you are being silly and nonsensical dezzy. i explained before there is a difference between a worldwide religion/idealogy and a few mentally ill teenagers.

I don't believe that you don't understand the difference.

I really think you are just playing devil's advocate here.

[Tom4784]

you are being silly and nonsensical dezzy. i explained before there is a difference between a worldwide religion/idealogy and a few mentally ill teenagers.

I don't believe that you don't understand the difference.

I really think you are just playing devil's advocate here.

The FBI disagrees with you, they class mass shootings as acts of terror, you don't have to have dark skin and scream 'Allahu Ackbar' to be a terrorist.

I understand far more than you do, you're too bigoted to understand that terrorism isn't just reserved for Muslims.

[lostalex]

The FBI disagrees with you, they class mass shootings as acts of terror, you don't have to have dark skin and scream 'Allahu Ackbar' to be a terrorist.

I understand far more than you do, you're too bigoted to understand that terrorism isn't just reserved for Muslims.

well i disagree, i think you are the bigot. and I am right.

[kirklancaster]

I cant believe i am saying this but actually i agree with you on this one.

I have no respect for the muslim society for making my and other gay peoples life hell. If they didnt thrust their religion -also other religions are guilty for some degree - upon us then world would be more peaceful

I think everyone can understand your point of view Melihv, and sympathise.

Your beautiful country is being unforgiveably destroyed and your lives ruined through no fault of your own, and it compounds the fear factor if you are gay.

:kiss::flowers: Keep your chin up and stay strong - it Will be over sooner than later and life Will return to normal.

[Tom4784]

well i disagree, i think you are the bigot. and I am right.

So now you're resorting to 'I know you are, but what am I?' tactics What is this? The Playground? How the flying **** am I a bigot? I'm not the one who's deluded themselves into thinking that white people are incapable of terrorism.

[lostalex]

So now you're resorting to 'I know you are, but what am I?' tactics What is this? The Playground? How the flying **** am I a bigot? I'm not the one who's deluded themselves into thinking that white people are incapable of terrorism.

i think we must have very definitions of terrorism. I don't see tons of white teenage boys on the streets being proud of school shooters after their attacks. can't say the same about muslims and their terrorist attacks...

there is no common ideology or organization of white teenage boys that shoot up schools, in fact every single one of them are always described as "loners"... the exact opposite of a large organization like Islam.

I don't know how you can even compare the 2 things.

and you never addressed my point that muslims make up 1% of the US population but they are responsible for 7% of terrorist deaths...

[Tom4784]

i think we must have very definitions of terrorism. I don't see tons of white teenage boys on the streets being proud of school shooters after their attacks. can't say the same about muslims and their terrorist attacks...

there is no common ideology or organization of white teenage boys that shoot up schools, in fact every single one of them are always described as "loners"... the exact opposite of a large organization like Islam.

I don't know how you can even compare the 2 things.

and you never addressed my point that muslims make up 1% of the US population but they are responsible for 7% of terrorist deaths...

It doesn't matter what you think, the FBI classes it as terrorism.

The last two major Islamic terrorist attacks in America were committed by loners, the Boston bombers didn't have any links to any known terrorist organisations and neither did the shooters behind the San Bernadino attacks. They were both a pair of deranged psychopaths that decided they wanted to kill a bunch of innocent people.

Religious beliefs and skin colour doesn't matter, if you're going to shoot up a place then you're committing an act of terror.

[VanessaFeltz.]

I think everyone can understand your point of view Melihv, and sympathise.

Your beautiful country is being unforgiveably destroyed and your lives ruined through no fault of your own, and it compounds the fear factor if you are gay.

:kiss::flowers: Keep your chin up and stay strong - it Will be over sooner than later and life Will return to normal. thank you kirk :kiss: i am very sad that i have to work ten times harder than other people here so i can get my equal rights.. By going to another country.

İt just feels so unfair that people are not willing to fight for their lives and accept someone abusing their rights. Even some woman said i am erdogans arse hair like how disturbing is that. Because of these people i and other people have to suffer.

This why we are not done as lgbt community we still have long journey ahead of us to beat the bigots.

[kirklancaster]

thank you kirk :kiss: i am very sad that i have to work ten times harder than other people here so i can get my equal rights.. By going to another country.

İt just feels so unfair that people are not willing to fight for their lives and accept someone abusing their rights. Even some woman said i am erdogans arse hair like how disturbing is that. Because of these people i and other people have to suffer.

This why we are not done as lgbt community we still have long journey ahead of us to beat the bigots.

Off topic, I know, but I - genuinely - believe MelihV, that a hell of a lot of people who hate on LGBT's, do so because they are closeted and denying something deep within themselves which they do not want to face, and every time they see a gay person, they are being forced to look in a mirror at that suppressed, denied reality.

I admire your courage and tenacity and determination, and assure you that you will see beneficial changes MelihV - it is getting better, slowly, but surely, and the tide is turning.

:kiss:

[Northern Monkey]

Off topic, I know, but I - genuinely - believe MelihV, that a hell of a lot of people who hate on LGBT's, do so because they are closeted and denying something deep within themselves which they do not want to face, and every time they see a gay person, they are being forced to look in a mirror at that suppressed, denied reality.

I admire your courage and tenacity and determination, and assure you that you will see beneficial changes MelihV - it is getting better, slowly, but surely, and the tide is turning.

:kiss:

I think a lot of it is growing up in an enviroment where there are'nt many if any lgbt people to mix with.So an ignorance.When i went to school the worst thing anybody could call you was a ******.If there was any gay people then they stayed very quiet about it.I was quite closed minded about it when i first left school.It was'nt until later when i worked with gay people and went into gay clubs etc that i opened my mind.I literally went from avoiding gay people at all costs to sitting in a night club sharing a joint with a transexual:laugh:
I think some lgbt haters may still be in the closet.Specially in the western world where there are loads of lgbt people to mix with but i think in places like Turkey it's probably mainly ignorance that is the problem aswell as what you say.People have closed minds and maybe a fear of things they don't understand.

[JoshBB]

This is a tragic story and I hope these monsters get what's coming to them. Just one question - why is their race relevant to the story? White people rape too (Jimmy Saville / Gary Glitter as examples) yet they are never labelled as 'man of white british origin rape child'.. because the crime in itself is enough to repulse people. Why do some media feel the need to add the race/ethnicity of the criminal if not to stir up racism and xenophobia?

[Livia]

This is a tragic story and I hope these monsters get what's coming to them. Just one question - why is their race relevant to the story? White people rape too (Jimmy Saville / Gary Glitter as examples) yet they are never labelled as 'man of white british origin rape child'.. because the crime in itself is enough to repulse people. Why do some media feel the need to add the race/ethnicity of the criminal if not to stir up racism and xenophobia?

Because in their culture, women are not equal and white women who are not Muslim are lower than the lowest. They've imagined they can bring their archaic culture here. But we don't want it.

Of course white men rape and they should be punished. But denying the inherent misogyny and racism of these Pakistani "men" though, is not helpful.

[lostalex]

Because in their culture, women are not equal and white women who are not Muslim are lower than the lowest. They've imagined they can bring their archaic culture here. But we don't want it.

Of course white men rape and they should be punished. But denying the inherent misogyny and racism of these Pakistani "men" though, is not helpful. you forgot to mention homophobia and christophobia, but yes, i agree completely.

[empire]

deport them to their country of origin, when they are out of jail, I don't care if they are born in this country, because if they think that this country has to be like pakistan, where the women are treated like a cattle, look what happend to saira khan from the apprentice, when she was on tv over their, we can't keep up with this, turn a blind eye, and tell a lie.

[kirklancaster]

Animals.



Using the sexual abuse of a girl to mock people who don't agree with your agenda? How low of you.

This is meaningless nonsense.

First of all; identify MY agenda.
Then; explain just how I am using the bestial sexual abuse of this girl by evil bastards who should be tortured then shot, to mock people who don't agree with it.

[kirklancaster]

i agree with you

Are you agreeing with Dezzy that these bestial rapists are 'Animals'? Because if you are, then you are correct.

But if you are agreeing with Dezzy's allegation that I am 'Low' for "Using the sexual abuse of a girl to mock people who don't agree with" my agenda? " then you wrong and being very, very, presumptious.

First of all - being a relatively new member - unless you have spent entire months reading through the many threads linked to this subject, then you are ignorant of the antecedents which lie at the heart of, both, my comment, and Dezzy's misplaced admonishment, and therefore you should NOT really be lending your support to any wrongful criticism of my post.

There is, on this forum, a long history of certain members immediately and illogically, attacking other members for speaking the TRUTH - if that truth concerns any type of wrongdoing by immigrants or Muslims.

It does not matter one iota if the post which has offended these certain members does not make the fact that the perpetrators of the wrongdoing are immigrant or Muslim THE central point of the post, the very fact that such perpetrators are identified as BEING immigrant or Muslim is enough to elicit vitriolic condemnation in a baffling knee-jerk reaction from the said certain members.

It is perfectly fine to report '12 Men Jailed For Raping A 13 Year Old Girl' but DO NOT include ANY DESCRIPTORS which identify those bastards as 'Foreign, Foreign Born, of Foreign Descent, Immigrants, or Muslim, because IF YOU DO, you will elicit illogical and angry responses along with accusations of being 'Islamophobic', 'Racist', or 'Xenophobic'.

It does not matter that one can CLEARLY SEE from the photographs that these men are NOT WHITE, and it does NOT MATTER that one can read about their Nationalities in the linked article, just as long as the member making the post does not mention these FACTS.

Does it matter in such a case what Nationality the perpetrators are? Or whether they are Muslim, or Immigrants?

NO - if it was one ISOLATED incident in any other era, but IT IS NEITHER.

It is just one MORE incident concerning certain types of LAWLESS and ARROGANT immigrants and/or Muslims, in a widespread and rapidly increasing series of incidents at a time when IMMIGRATION and ISLAM are THE NUMBER 1. topic of concern for most people in this - and other - Western Democracies.

It is a fact, that though these incidents are numerous and increasing, for the most part, time and space in reportage causes each to be viewed in splendid isolation from each other - like a thousand helium filled ballooons let loose into the air all at once, they seperate until only one balloon may be seen in the sky at any one given moment in time, but all thousand ARE up there.

Yet, those of us who KNOW this, are called 'xenophobic', 'Racist', or 'Islamaphobic', just because we not only KNOW, but DARE to SAY that we know.

“You are fettered,” said Scrooge, trembling. “Tell me why?”
“I wear the chain I forged in life,” replied the Ghost. “I made it link by link, and yard by yard; I girded it on of my own free will, and of my own free will I wore it.”

— Charles Dickens, “A Christmas Carol”

Well any 'chains' which are shackling the arrogant, ignorant, law-breakers who just happen to be 'Immigrant' or 'Muslim', are of their own making and they have forged each link of their own free will, so I personally do not give two flying fecks just WHO on here wants to shoot me as the messenger.

Just don't bleat when I shoot back.

[Kizzy]

Because in their culture, women are not equal and white women who are not Muslim are lower than the lowest. They've imagined they can bring their archaic culture here. But we don't want it.

Of course white men rape and they should be punished. But denying the inherent misogyny and racism of these Pakistani "men" though, is not helpful.

A Jewish boys’ school has been criticised by Ofsted after it discovered pupils share a “universal view” that a woman’s only role is to “look after children, clean the house and cook”.

Beis Aharon School in Stamford Hill, north London was visited by inspectors from the education watchdog who found it did not meet the required standards for an independent school.

The school, which charges annual fees of £2,860, was found to be prioritising the “ethos of its faith” over educational standards and not preparing children for life in modern British society.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/jewish-school-teaching-pupils-womens-only-role-is-to-clean-and-cook-in-north-london-ofsted-says-a6880341.html

[smudgie]

A Jewish boys’ school has been criticised by Ofsted after it discovered pupils share a “universal view” that a woman’s only role is to “look after children, clean the house and cook”.

Beis Aharon School in Stamford Hill, north London was visited by inspectors from the education watchdog who found it did not meet the required standards for an independent school.

The school, which charges annual fees of £2,860, was found to be prioritising the “ethos of its faith” over educational standards and not preparing children for life in modern British society.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/jewish-school-teaching-pupils-womens-only-role-is-to-clean-and-cook-in-north-london-ofsted-says-a6880341.html

Wow, £2,860 yearly fees, that is amazing value.

[lostalex]

Wow, £2,860 yearly fees, that is amazing value.

not really considering the low standards of education there. you get what you pay for.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

2 white women lured girls to the sex gang. Wow wonder if that's going to alter opinions on white women.

[arista]

[Rotherham Abuse Ringleader
Jailed For 35 Years
Six people, including three brothers,
are sentenced for offences involving
the sexual exploitation of girls in Rotherham.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1649308/rotherham-abuse-ringleader-jailed-for-35-years

[The ringleader of a gang of six people who groomed,
raped and abused teenage girls in Rotherham has been
jailed for 35 years.
Arshid Hussain, 40, was found guilty of one count
of conspiracy to rape, 11 indecent assaults, three rapes
and a series of other charges during his trial at
Sheffield Crown Court.
His brothers Basharat Hussain, 39, and Bannaras Hussain, 36,
have also been sentenced to spend 25 years and 19 years
in jail respectively.
Their uncle Qurban Ali, 53, has been jailed for 10 years.]

[lostalex]

[Rotherham Abuse Ringleader
Jailed For 35 Years
Six people, including three brothers,
are sentenced for offences involving
the sexual exploitation of girls in Rotherham.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1649308/rotherham-abuse-ringleader-jailed-for-35-years

[The ringleader of a gang of six people who groomed,
raped and abused teenage girls in Rotherham has been
jailed for 35 years.
Arshid Hussain, 40, was found guilty of one count
of conspiracy to rape, 11 indecent assaults, three rapes
and a series of other charges during his trial at
Sheffield Crown Court.
His brothers Basharat Hussain, 39, and Bannaras Hussain, 36,
have also been sentenced to spend 25 years and 19 years
in jail respectively.
Their uncle Qurban Ali, 53, has been jailed for 10 years.]

NO wonder Muslim men want to hide their daughters away and force them wear huge black blankets when they go in public, now we see why! it's because they are used to muslim men molesting girls and raping them in their culture.

[lostalex]

Madonna understands sexism from religion, especially Islam and Catholicism.

She is now a Jew.

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