It's not over

[Kizzy]

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[Tom4784]

God, I hope he wins.

[DemolitionRed]

That video is going to reach out to a lot of people.

[MTVN]

Old white man compares himself to Martin Luther King and Malcolm X

[DemolitionRed]

Old white man compares himself to Martin Luther King and Malcolm X

Maybe its time for a white version of Martin Luther King :shrug:

[GiRTh]

Bernies ticking all the right boxes.

[GiRTh]

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Any Hillary supporter needs to wacth this video.

[GiRTh]

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And this one. Once again it looks like he Clintons are hiding something.

[kirklancaster]

Old white man compares himself to Martin Luther King and Malcolm X

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Maybe its time for a white version of Martin Luther King :shrug:

Why? Are American whites oppressed? He couldn't lick MLK's boots.

Oh wait - They have something in common:

"I have a dream..."

.

[lostalex]

pathetic pandering to minorities.

Bernie has been in congress for 25 YEARS, what has he done to help black people? what has he done about police brutality??

If he couldn't get anything meaningful done in the last 25 years of power, why would you think he'd get anything done in the next 4 years??

[Northern Monkey]

Why? Are American whites oppressed? He couldn't lick MLK's boots.

Oh wait - They have something in common:

"I have a dream..."

.

:laugh:

[DemolitionRed]

Why? Are American whites oppressed? He couldn't lick MLK's boots.

Oh wait - They have something in common:

"I have a dream..."

.

No but black people are.

He's a white person fighting on behalf of black people, is that beyond your comprehension ?

[lostalex]

No but black people are.

He's a white person fighting on behalf of black people, is that beyond your comprehension ?

he's not though... what has he done to "FIGHT" for them? he's been at one of the highest seats of power for 25 YEARS! what's he done to fight for them? and where are the results after 25 YEARS of this supposed "fighting"?

[kirklancaster]

No but black people are.

He's a white person fighting on behalf of black people, is that beyond your comprehension ?

No - very little of which is rational is beyond my comprehension, but this is not rational. I was going to expound but Alex sums it up neatly enough:

Before, I was Gonna, Wanna, Coulda, Shoulda - but dinna
But now I'll promise anything if it makes me a winner.

[kirklancaster]

he's not though... what has he done to "FIGHT" for them? he's been at one of the highest seats of power for 25 YEARS! what's he done to fight for them? and where are the results after 25 YEARS of this supposed "fighting"?

Er....He once helped a black man get a Janitor's job? :laugh:

[Tom4784]

I think you're being very unfair. Can't white people side or fight for the rights of black people? Must we all be doomed to deny that America is facing a serious problem because we're white and we're expected to deny that racism exists because it makes us uncomfortable?

I don't think the point of that ad is to compare Bernie to MLK, he's saying that he supports and endorses the protests, I think he's saying that the protesters can and do embody the spirit of MLK.

[lostalex]

I think you're being very unfair. Can't white people side or fight for the rights of black people? Must we all be doomed to deny that America is facing a serious problem because we're white and we're expected to deny that racism exists because it makes us uncomfortable?

I don't think the point of that ad is to compare Bernie to MLK, he's saying that he supports and endorses the protests, I think he's saying that the protesters can and do embody the spirit of MLK.

it's not unfair at all, why didn't he put this ad out when he was fighting in majority white states Iowa and New Hampshire.... you don't think he's pandering to minorities that he is now putting this out right before he actually has to compete in states that have much larger racial minority populations?

he's obviously pandering to racial minorities just to get their votes. if he actually cared about minorities he would have been talking about these issues and making them the focus of his ads before now.

c'mon, don't be naive.

At least Hillary has been consistent for years now. Bernie sways with the wind.

[DemolitionRed]

No - very little of which is rational is beyond my comprehension, but this is not rational. I was going to expound but Alex sums it up neatly enough:

Before, I was Gonna, Wanna, Coulda, Shoulda - but dinna
But now I'll promise anything if it makes me a winner.

Alex didn't say much at all so I take it, you weren't going to say very much at all as well.
Its easy to jump on smear campaigns; getting to the bare bones of politics always takes a little more research.

Lets look at his supposed indifference towards black Americans and people of varying colour (what the headlines would have us believe).

The very first campaign he ever staged was to raise awareness for the plight of Korean orphans.
In 1962 he was arrested for protesting against racial segregation & racial equality.
He was part of the "Liberty Union" which fought for all laws on homosexuality to be lifted.

In 1985 he went to Nicaragua and was so troubled by what he saw (death and distruction financed by the American government). As Mayor of Burlington, he used his status to stop the Reigan government sending arms to left wing armies in Central America.

He has achieved High Ratings From Leading Civil Rights Organizations: A frequent critique of Sanders is that he is from a very white state. While this is true, he certainly has not ignored issues that matter to people of color. In 2002, he achieved a 93 percent rating from the ACLU and a 97% rating by the NAACP in 2006.http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/bernie_sanders.htm

He voted repeatedly against the USA PATRIOT Act. An act that has been used to violate the rights of Arab and Muslim Americans.

Traveled to Costa Rica to Defend Exploited Workers http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2007/09/sanders-and-mic.html to help organize workers opposing the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA).

he has repeatedly condemned police violence during the duration of the Black Lives Matter movement. Here he is in mid-August 2014 http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/nyt-learning-from-the-ferguson-tragedy and there's loads more.

Back in 2014 he embraced questions from immigrants when Hillary refused to talk to them. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/217697-dreamers-praise-sanders-over-clinton-after-confronting-both-in-iowa

Sanders fought Against employment discrimination and was a strong supporter of legislation to end workplace discrimination against LGBT Americans.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/senate-passes-employment-non-discrimination-act

Defended Voting Rights Against Voter Suppression Efforts: Sanders earned the endorsement of radical rapper Killer Mike by his leadership on defending the Voter Rights Act and calling for expanding voting rights. http://inthesetimes.com/article/18126/killer-mike-bernie-sanders

And the list goes on and on and on, so don't believe everything you read from right wingers because they honestly are speaking out of their fat white arses.

[lostalex]

Alex didn't say much at all so I take it, you weren't going to say very much at all as well.
Its easy to jump on smear campaigns; getting to the bare bones of politics always takes a little more research.

Lets look at his supposed indifference towards black Americans and people of varying colour (what the headlines would have us believe).

The very first campaign he ever staged was to raise awareness for the plight of Korean orphans.
In 1962 he was arrested for protesting against racial segregation & racial equality.
He was part of the "Liberty Union" which fought for all laws on homosexuality to be lifted.

In 1985 he went to Nicaragua and was so troubled by what he saw (death and distruction financed by the American government). As Mayor of Burlington, he used his status to stop the Reigan government sending arms to left wing armies in Central America.

He has achieved High Ratings From Leading Civil Rights Organizations: A frequent critique of Sanders is that he is from a very white state. While this is true, he certainly has not ignored issues that matter to people of color. In 2002, he achieved a 93 percent rating from the ACLU and a 97% rating by the NAACP in 2006.http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/bernie_sanders.htm

He voted repeatedly against the USA PATRIOT Act. An act that has been used to violate the rights of Arab and Muslim Americans.

Traveled to Costa Rica to Defend Exploited Workers http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2007/09/sanders-and-mic.html to help organize workers opposing the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA).

he has repeatedly condemned police violence during the duration of the Black Lives Matter movement. Here he is in mid-August 2014 http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/nyt-learning-from-the-ferguson-tragedy and there's loads more.

Back in 2014 he embraced questions from immigrants when Hillary refused to talk to them. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/217697-dreamers-praise-sanders-over-clinton-after-confronting-both-in-iowa

Sanders fought Against employment discrimination and was a strong supporter of legislation to end workplace discrimination against LGBT Americans.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/senate-passes-employment-non-discrimination-act

Defended Voting Rights Against Voter Suppression Efforts: Sanders earned the endorsement of radical rapper Killer Mike by his leadership on defending the Voter Rights Act and calling for expanding voting rights. http://inthesetimes.com/article/18126/killer-mike-bernie-sanders

And the list goes on and on and on, so don't believe everything you read from right wingers because they honestly are speaking out of their fat white arses.

WOW. you really do drink the Berniebro cool-aid don't you...

and you didn't answer my questions... What did he accomplish? Why didn't he achieve any real change after 25 YEARS of having a huge position of power in congress?

What did he actually GET DONE? what changes did he actually MAKE? so far all of your responses are about how he'd like to do something, but you haven't told me anything about what he's actually DONE! He's been one of the most powerful people in the country for 25 YEARS, and he hasn't actually DONE anything has he?

Complaining about things, is not the same as DOING something about things. Why would i vote for a president that thinks that just COMPLAINING = doing something?

Answer those questions directly please.

[kirklancaster]

Alex didn't say much at all so I take it, you weren't going to say very much at all as well.
Its easy to jump on smear campaigns; getting to the bare bones of politics always takes a little more research.

Lets look at his supposed indifference towards black Americans and people of varying colour (what the headlines would have us believe).

The very first campaign he ever staged was to raise awareness for the plight of Korean orphans.
In 1962 he was arrested for protesting against racial segregation & racial equality.
He was part of the "Liberty Union" which fought for all laws on homosexuality to be lifted.

In 1985 he went to Nicaragua and was so troubled by what he saw (death and distruction financed by the American government). As Mayor of Burlington, he used his status to stop the Reigan government sending arms to left wing armies in Central America.

He has achieved High Ratings From Leading Civil Rights Organizations: A frequent critique of Sanders is that he is from a very white state. While this is true, he certainly has not ignored issues that matter to people of color. In 2002, he achieved a 93 percent rating from the ACLU and a 97% rating by the NAACP in 2006.http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/bernie_sanders.htm

He voted repeatedly against the USA PATRIOT Act. An act that has been used to violate the rights of Arab and Muslim Americans.

Traveled to Costa Rica to Defend Exploited Workers http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2007/09/sanders-and-mic.html to help organize workers opposing the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA).

he has repeatedly condemned police violence during the duration of the Black Lives Matter movement. Here he is in mid-August 2014 http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/nyt-learning-from-the-ferguson-tragedy and there's loads more.

Back in 2014 he embraced questions from immigrants when Hillary refused to talk to them. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/217697-dreamers-praise-sanders-over-clinton-after-confronting-both-in-iowa

Sanders fought Against employment discrimination and was a strong supporter of legislation to end workplace discrimination against LGBT Americans.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/senate-passes-employment-non-discrimination-act

Defended Voting Rights Against Voter Suppression Efforts: Sanders earned the endorsement of radical rapper Killer Mike by his leadership on defending the Voter Rights Act and calling for expanding voting rights. http://inthesetimes.com/article/18126/killer-mike-bernie-sanders

And the list goes on and on and on, so don't believe everything you read from right wingers because they honestly are speaking out of their fat white arses.

I do not "believe everything I "read from right wingers" and it is both arrogant and presumptious of you to offer me advice on that matter.

Nor am I "jumping on" any "smear campaign".

I have my own opinion of Saunders and my posts - though slightly tongue-in-cheek' and ever so slightly 'jocular' - are based upon that opinion.

I suspect the REAL reasons behind his embarrassing video appeal is nothing more than personal political survival, and though I was not aware of ALL which you post above, I am now even LESS enamoured of him, because some of the organisations who 'endorse' him are - in my opinion - highly suspect themselves, so now I think he is a seriously dangerous 'leftie' who, too readily it seems, ass-licks any ass just as long as it's gaining him personal credit.

[lostalex]

I do not "believe everything I "read from right wingers" and it is both arrogant and presumptious of you to offer me advice on that matter.

Nor am I "jumping on" any "smear campaign".

I have my own opinion of Saunders and my posts - though slightly tongue-in-cheek' and ever so slightly 'jocular' - are based upon that opinion.

I suspect the REAL reasons behind his embarrassing video appeal is nothing more than personal political survival, and though I was not aware of ALL which you post above, I am now even LESS enamoured of him, because some of the organisations who 'endorse' him are - in my opinion - highly suspect themselves, so now I think he is a seriously dangerous 'leftie' who, too readily it seems, ass-licks any ass just as long as it's gaining him personal credit.

yup, you are right kirk.

i've noticed all the bernie supporters are just supporting him based on their Facebook friends, it;'s so trendy right now. but they have no idea about the actual issues.

i thank you for being a member of this forum that doesn't just go along with what their Facebook friends post. You seem to actually have the ability to think for yourself.

[Kizzy]

Alex didn't say much at all so I take it, you weren't going to say very much at all as well.
Its easy to jump on smear campaigns; getting to the bare bones of politics always takes a little more research.

Lets look at his supposed indifference towards black Americans and people of varying colour (what the headlines would have us believe).

The very first campaign he ever staged was to raise awareness for the plight of Korean orphans.
In 1962 he was arrested for protesting against racial segregation & racial equality.
He was part of the "Liberty Union" which fought for all laws on homosexuality to be lifted.

In 1985 he went to Nicaragua and was so troubled by what he saw (death and distruction financed by the American government). As Mayor of Burlington, he used his status to stop the Reigan government sending arms to left wing armies in Central America.

He has achieved High Ratings From Leading Civil Rights Organizations: A frequent critique of Sanders is that he is from a very white state. While this is true, he certainly has not ignored issues that matter to people of color. In 2002, he achieved a 93 percent rating from the ACLU and a 97% rating by the NAACP in 2006.http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/bernie_sanders.htm

He voted repeatedly against the USA PATRIOT Act. An act that has been used to violate the rights of Arab and Muslim Americans.

Traveled to Costa Rica to Defend Exploited Workers http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2007/09/sanders-and-mic.html to help organize workers opposing the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA).

he has repeatedly condemned police violence during the duration of the Black Lives Matter movement. Here he is in mid-August 2014 http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/nyt-learning-from-the-ferguson-tragedy and there's loads more.

Back in 2014 he embraced questions from immigrants when Hillary refused to talk to them. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/217697-dreamers-praise-sanders-over-clinton-after-confronting-both-in-iowa

Sanders fought Against employment discrimination and was a strong supporter of legislation to end workplace discrimination against LGBT Americans.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/senate-passes-employment-non-discrimination-act

Defended Voting Rights Against Voter Suppression Efforts: Sanders earned the endorsement of radical rapper Killer Mike by his leadership on defending the Voter Rights Act and calling for expanding voting rights. http://inthesetimes.com/article/18126/killer-mike-bernie-sanders

And the list goes on and on and on, so don't believe everything you read from right wingers because they honestly are speaking out of their fat white arses.

Excellent post DR, you always do come up trumps with rational, reasoned and factual responses.
Anyone can say there has been little done and yet it should be acknowledged those that do wish for change are still fighting against the tide.
What else can one man do but garner support and raise awareness?

[kirklancaster]

yup, you are right kirk.

i've noticed all the bernie supporters are just supporting him based on their Facebook friends, it;'s so trendy right now. but they have no idea about the actual issues.

i thank you for being a member of this forum that doesn't just go along with what their Facebook friends post. You seem to actually have the ability to think for yourself.

Thank you Alex. I like to believe that I think for myself. I would be a hell of a lot more 'popular' on here if I 'went with the flow' I suspect.

[DemolitionRed]

I do not "believe everything I "read from right wingers" and it is both arrogant and presumptious of you to offer me advice on that matter.



What's the real reason you don't like this man then? Did you really know all about him? the things he'd done? what he'd achieved and tried to achieve? He's an American socialist but that makes him about as socialist as Thatcher.


Nor am I "jumping on" any "smear campaign".

You're not? then why did you quote Alex's smear post and say, "Er....He once helped a black man get a Janitor's job?"


I suspect the REAL reasons behind his embarrassing video appeal is nothing more than personal political survival, and though I was not aware of ALL which you post above, I am now even LESS enamoured of him, because some of the organisations who 'endorse' him are - in my opinion - highly suspect themselves, so now I think he is a seriously dangerous 'leftie' who, too readily it seems, ass-licks any ass just as long as it's gaining him personal credit.

So he's damned if he didn't and now he's damned cos he does...thought so :hehe:

[DemolitionRed]

Excellent post DR, you always do come up trumps with rational, reasoned and factual responses.
Anyone can say there has been little done and yet it should be acknowledged those that do wish for change are still fighting against the tide.
What else can one man do but garner support and raise awareness?

Thanks Kizzy, I've noticed that those who don't like Sanders have just him based on their Facebook friends.

I'd like to thank you for being a member of this forum that doesn't just go along with what their Facebook friends post. You seem to actually have the ability to think for yourself.

[lostalex]

Excellent post DR, you always do come up trumps with rational, reasoned and factual responses.
Anyone can say there has been little done and yet it should be acknowledged those that do wish for change are still fighting against the tide.
What else can one man do but garner support and raise awareness?

What? Nothing you just said makes sense. Everything you just said seems like the OPPOSITE of the truth actually.

Are you being sarcastic?

[Tom4784]

it's not unfair at all, why didn't he put this ad out when he was fighting in majority white states Iowa and New Hampshire.... you don't think he's pandering to minorities that he is now putting this out right before he actually has to compete in states that have much larger racial minority populations?

he's obviously pandering to racial minorities just to get their votes. if he actually cared about minorities he would have been talking about these issues and making them the focus of his ads before now.

c'mon, don't be naive.

At least Hillary has been consistent for years now. Bernie sways with the wind.

It doesn't matter what he did or didn't do in the past. All that matters is that he's supporting the movement now. It's rather desperate and hypocritical to try to slate Bernie for not voicing his support for movements like BlackLivesMatter earlier when you often deny there's a problem with the police in the first place and have often blamed the black victims of Police Brutality in the past when threads have been made about it. Who are you to drag Bernie when you are happy enough to bury your head in the sand?

I think it's ridiculous to say that Hillary is consistent with her views, I do like her a lot and I'd love to see her in the White House if Bernie doesn't get the nod but she's been far more wishy washy than Bernie has ever been.

[Northern Monkey]

I think it's all **** tbh to get votes.
Choose a target electorate on an emotive issue.In this case black people and baboom.Votes votes votes.Imo.
It could be seen as using murder victims to further his political career.Imo.

[lostalex]

It doesn't matter what he did or didn't do in the past. All that matters is that he's supporting the movement now. It's rather desperate and hypocritical to try to slate Bernie for not voicing his support for movements like BlackLivesMatter when you often deny there's a problem with the police in the first place and have often blamed the black victims of Police Brutality in the past when threads have been made about it. Who are you to drag Bernie when you are happy enough to bury your head in the sand?

I think it's ridiculous to say that Hillary is consistent with her views, I do like her a lot and I'd love to see her in the White House if Bernie doesn't get the nod but she's been far more wishy washy than Bernie has ever been.

what are you talking about? I've always said there is a huge issue with police brutality in the US, and the majority of victims of police brutality are WHITE, i said that it's not a race issue. I've never denied there is a serious issue with police brutality and police corruption and police accountability in the US though.

As far as Hillary being more "wishy washy" i think that's just because she's been under far more scrutiny than Bernie for the last 30 Years than Bernie has. had you ever heard of Bernie Sanders before last year? so obviously Hillary has been scrutinized more.

I don't know anyone that heard the name Bernie Sanders before last year, do you? but he's been in the Senate for 25 years//

what does that tell you about his leadership skills? he's been in the senate for 25 years and no one has ever heard of him before...???

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=DemolitionRed;8513990]What's the real reason you don't like this man then? Did you really know all about him? the things he'd done? what he'd achieved and tried to achieve? He's an American socialist but that makes him about as socialist as Thatcher.

I never said that I knew ALL about him, did I? I know ENOUGH about him from varied sources to form an opinion.

"American Socialist" is a meaningless term because the spectrum of degrees of 'Socialism' there is as wide as it is here.

"You're not? then why did you quote Alex's smear post and say, "Er....He once helped a black man get a Janitor's job?"


Alex's post is only a 'smear post' in YOUR opinion - NOT mine. Here it is:

Originally Posted by lostalex View Post
"he's not though... what has he done to "FIGHT" for them? he's been at one of the highest seats of power for 25 YEARS! what's he done to fight for them? and where are the results after 25 YEARS of this supposed "fighting"?

Now WHERE exactly is Alex's post a 'smear post'? He states FACTS and asks LEGITIMATE questions and I quoted it SPECIFICALLY because of these facts.

As for my little joke - I have already said to you that my post was slightly tongue-in-cheek and ever so slightly jocular.

That said - if he HAD actually helped a blackman to secure a janitor's job, that would be a marked improvement of anything else he has actually achieved on behalf of 'minorities' - DESPITE his always WELL PUBLICISED personal crusading on their behalf.

"So he's damned if he didn't and now he's damned cos he does...though so :hehe:"

I don't understand the above based on what I wrote:

"I suspect the REAL reasons behind his embarrassing video appeal is nothing more than personal political survival, and though I was not aware of ALL which you post above, I am now even LESS enamoured of him, because some of the organisations who 'endorse' him are - in my opinion - highly suspect themselves, so now I think he is a seriously dangerous 'leftie' who, too readily it seems, ass-licks any ass just as long as it's gaining him personal credit."

The way I see it is BECAUSE he has not actually achieved ANYTHING of note for the minorities he professess to champion, then he should only be damned for doing nothing - so, really, he is only damned if he doesn't, because he hasn't.

[kirklancaster]

I think it's all **** tbh to get votes.
Choose a target electorate on an emotive issue.In this case black people and baboom.Votes votes votes.Imo.
It could be seen as using murder victims to further his political career.Imo.


:clap1::clap1::clap1: At the risk of my turning green - Bang On Right Paul. :laugh::laugh:

[bots]

its pretty obvious that it is a video trying to capture a particular vote. If he was known for championing that cause throughout his career, he would be able to list all the things he has championed/achieved in the past

If people are gullible enough to swallow it ... fair play to him

[Kizzy]

Nay sayers with a mix of halftruths and untruths, mockery and personal opinion based on very little?
Seems it's better to do nothing than attempt anything as it will be shot down then?
That's progressive...

[kirklancaster]

its pretty obvious that it is a video trying to capture a particular vote. If he was known for championing that cause throughout his career, he would be able to list all the things he has championed/achieved in the past

If people are gullible enough to swallow it ... fair play to him :clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Northern Monkey]

:clap1::clap1::clap1: At the risk of my turning green - Bang On Right Paul. :laugh::laugh:

Green with envy at my amazing post or Green like the man himself Arista?:laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Nay sayers with a mix of halftruths and untruths, mockery and personal opinion based on very little?
Seems it's better to do nothing than attempt anything as it will be shot down then?
That's progressive...

Are you the font of all knowledge now with the rest of us who have a different viewpoint speaking lies and half-truths and personal opinion based on very little?

It is NOT a question of 'it's better to do nothing' - Saunders has DONE NOTHING for minorities in over 25 years of being in a position of POWER and AUTHORITY when he has had the LEVERAGE to DO SOMETHING for them.

And just WHAT is he ATTEMPTING?

TALK is cheap and ACTIONS speak louder than words - so he can talk all he wants now that he WANTS something by return, but he has DONE NOTHING in 25 years, so forgive all of us cynics if we LAUGH OUT LOUD when he says he is GOING TO DO SOMETHING NOW.

[Tom4784]

what are you talking about? I've always said there is a huge issue with police brutality in the US, and the majority of victims of police brutality are WHITE, i said that it's not a race issue. I've never denied there is a serious issue with police brutality and police corruption and police accountability in the US though.

As far as Hillary being more "wishy washy" i think that's just because she's been under far more scrutiny than Bernie for the last 30 Years than Bernie has. had you ever heard of Bernie Sanders before last year? so obviously Hillary has been scrutinized more.

I don't know anyone that heard the name Bernie Sanders before last year, do you? but he's been in the Senate for 25 years//

what does that tell you about his leadership shills, he's been in the senate for 25 years and no one has ever heard of him before...???

No you haven't, usually when there's a thread about Police Brutality in America you become ultra defensive and you'll make posts slating the UK police in order to ignore the issue at hand.

I could reverse that last point back at you and question Hillary's Leadership skills based on the previous failed attempts at gaining the democratic nomination.

[lostalex]

Sanders supporters annoy the hell out of me, but really annoys me is that those same people who claim to be so liberal, they probably won't vote for Hillary in the ACTUAL election, and it's just so petty and pedantic, especially because we need to remember this same thing happened 8 years ago, everyone was worried that Hillary supporters wouldn't support Obama after the primary, but we did, Us hillary supporters did bite the bullet and made sure that Obama won, but now we are being treated like **** AGAIN! Hillary supporters have been **** on for 10 years, and i'm sick of playing nice.

[lostalex]

No you haven't, usually when there's a thread about Police Brutality in America you become ultra defensive and you'll make posts slating the UK police in order to ignore the issue at hand.

I could reverse that last point back at you and question Hillary's Leadership skills based on the previous failed attempts at gaining the democratic nomination.

you are totally wrong. in specific cases where the guy that was shot by police was obviously in the wrong, yes i point that out. but i've always said when talking about the general issue that police brutality and police training is an issue.

but of course when some people try to make a racial issue out of a black guy being a violent thug, of course i'm going to back the police on that.

making posts slating the UK police? are you joking? compared to the number of posts slating american police on here Dizzy, are you actually saying that I'M the one being unfair and biased???

[GiRTh]

pathetic pandering to minorities.

Bernie has been in congress for 25 YEARS, what has he done to help black people? what has he done about police brutality??

If he couldn't get anything meaningful done in the last 25 years of power, why would you think he'd get anything done in the next 4 years??He was a civil rights organiser in the 60's. :shrug:

[DemolitionRed]

He was a civil rights organiser in the 60's. :shrug:

I've already pointed that out Girth, as well as being a civil rights campaigner throughout his entire career but its pointless. People who want to jump on the propaganda band wagon 'won't hear, can't hear' you. It doesn't matter how much evidence you bring up either because if the right said he didn't do it, then he didn't do it.

[GiRTh]

I've already pointed that out Girth, as well as being a civil rights campaigner throughout his entire career but its pointless. People who want to jump on the propaganda band wagon 'won't hear, can't hear' you. It doesn't matter how much evidence you bring up either because if the right said he didn't do it, then he didn't do it.
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He also made this speech in 1988 to support of then presidential candidate Jesse Jackson.

[Livia]

I think it's all **** tbh to get votes.
Choose a target electorate on an emotive issue.In this case black people and baboom.Votes votes votes.Imo.
It could be seen as using murder victims to further his political career.Imo.

its pretty obvious that it is a video trying to capture a particular vote. If he was known for championing that cause throughout his career, he would be able to list all the things he has championed/achieved in the past

If people are gullible enough to swallow it ... fair play to him

In a nutshell...

If he was British people would be soooo much more cynical.

[Livia]

I've already pointed that out Girth, as well as being a civil rights campaigner throughout his entire career but its pointless. People who want to jump on the propaganda band wagon 'won't hear, can't hear' you. It doesn't matter how much evidence you bring up either because if the right said he didn't do it, then he didn't do it.

I assume those people you're referring to is everyone who has a different opinion to your own.

[Kizzy]

I've already pointed that out Girth, as well as being a civil rights campaigner throughout his entire career but its pointless. People who want to jump on the propaganda band wagon 'won't hear, can't hear' you. It doesn't matter how much evidence you bring up either because if the right said he didn't do it, then he didn't do it.

Totally, unless there are reformers out there campaigning for change how do things higher up the chain of command get done?
What can parliament here or congress there do without backing? Nothing.
He has used his position for leverage and has consistently advocated a fairer society.

[GiRTh]

Totally, unless there are reformers out there campaigning for change how do things higher up the chain of command get done?
What can parliament here or congress there do without backing? Nothing.
He has used his position for leverage and has consistently advocated a fairer society.Agreed. His voting record on human rights issues is impeccable.

[Kizzy]

I assume those people you're referring to is everyone who has a different opinion to your own.

Never assume anything, presume it and run the risk of being wrong.

[DemolitionRed]

I assume those people you're referring to is everyone who has a different opinion to your own.

No! just the people who decide the propaganda spin must be right and choose to ignore any real evidence. Its a bit like you telling me you're a lawyer, I have a right to believe you or not believe you, but if you give me evidence to back up your claim, I'd be a fool to suggest otherwise.

[Tom4784]

you are totally wrong. in specific cases where the guy that was shot by police was obviously in the wrong, yes i point that out. but i've always said when talking about the general issue that police brutality and police training is an issue.

but of course when some people try to make a racial issue out of a black guy being a violent thug, of course i'm going to back the police on that.

making posts slating the UK police? are you joking? compared to the number of posts slating american police on here Dizzy, are you actually saying that I'M the one being unfair and biased???

Nobody slates the US police, they comment on the story. It's always you that basically says 'YEAH WELL THE UK POLICE ARE BAD TOO SO TAKE THAT!' because you can't cope with the fact that the USA isn't the perfect country you think it is. No country is perfect.

[kirklancaster]

I've already pointed that out Girth, as well as being a civil rights campaigner throughout his entire career but its pointless. People who want to jump on the propaganda band wagon 'won't hear, can't hear' you. It doesn't matter how much evidence you bring up either because if the right said he didn't do it, then he didn't do it.

This is pure hokum Red.

No one denied that he was a 'Civil Rights Campaigner' - we are DENYING that he actually achieved ANYTHING of note for minorities during 25 years DESPITE his years of POSTURING, and we are QUESTIONING his MOTIVES now because of this fact.

As for; 'won't hear, can't hear' - there is NO ONE on here more prone to convenient blindness and deafness than some of the Left Wing when faced with rebuttal posts which contain HARD, IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

[DemolitionRed]

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He also made this speech in 1988 to support of then presidential candidate Jesse Jackson.

Thanks for that Girth. He's a great speaker. He wrote a book back in 2010 (just one of his books) called "The Speech" its about an 8 hour speech which includes a lot of talk about repressed American blacks, police brutality and how America keeps the poor, poor and the wealthy rich.

[DemolitionRed]

This is pure hokum Red.

No one denied that he was a 'Civil Rights Campaigner' - we are DENYING that he actually achieved ANYTHING of note for minorities during 25 years DESPITE his years of POSTURING, and we are QUESTIONING his MOTIVES now because of this fact.

As for; 'won't hear, can't hear' - there is NO ONE on here more prone to convenient blindness and deafness than some of the Left Wing when faced with rebuttal posts which contain HARD, IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

:smug:

[Kizzy]

This is pure hokum Red.

No one denied that he was a 'Civil Rights Campaigner' - we are DENYING that he actually achieved ANYTHING of note for minorities during 25 years DESPITE his years of POSTURING, and we are QUESTIONING his MOTIVES now because of this fact.

As for; 'won't hear, can't hear' - there is NO ONE on here more prone to convenient blindness and deafness than some of the Left Wing when faced with rebuttal posts which contain HARD, IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

He is achieving something now is he not? His labours over many years have all been worthwhile and within democratic process....that's commendable isn't it?

[Tom4784]

It's a dumbass argument, If you look at any articles detailing his time as a Senator you'll see that he's been consistent throughout his time in the House. He's held true to his values and has maintained his priorities and integrity through every vote he's been apart of. To use the fact that he didn't support the BlackLivesMatter movement 25 years before it existed as a stick to beat him with is desperate and stupid. It's an issue that's only come to forefront in recent years and he's endorsing it like he's endorsed other social based movements in the past.

To accuse him of pandering without even bothering to look up his history as a senator is ignorant to the extreme.

[GiRTh]

This is pure hokum Red.

No one denied that he was a 'Civil Rights Campaigner' - we are DENYING that he actually achieved ANYTHING of note for minorities during 25 years DESPITE his years of POSTURING, and we are QUESTIONING his MOTIVES now because of this fact.

As for; 'won't hear, can't hear' - there is NO ONE on here more prone to convenient blindness and deafness than some of the Left Wing when faced with rebuttal posts which contain HARD, IRREFUTABLE FACTS.What about Hillary? Its a well known fact she achieved nothing as secretary of state apart from taking some (but not all) of the blame for the security breach in Benghazi.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidadesnik/2014/06/10/hillary-cant-name-top-accomplishment-as-secretary-of-state/#1da6345546a4

[GiRTh]

It's a dumbass argument, If you look at any articles detailing his time as a Senator you'll see that he's been consistent throughout his time in the House. He's held true to his values and has maintained his priorities and integrity through every vote he's been apart of. To use the fact that he didn't support the BlackLivesMatter movement 25 years before it existed as a stick to beat him with is desperate and stupid. It's an issue that's only come to forefront in recent years and he's endorsing it like he's endorsed other social based movements in the past.

To accuse him of pandering without even bothering to look up his history as a senator is ignorant to the extreme.:clap1:

Bernies voting records is 100% pure when compared to all the other candidates from either party It is clear what he stands for and he has championed the same causes throughout his time in congress.

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Here he is in 1995 having a go at a congressman for his views on, as the congressman puts it, 'homos in the military'.

[bots]

People can spin it however they want, the simple fact is that Bernie's ad is designed to win him some votes. It doesn't talk about his record, it tries to play on the emotional strings of black voters.

I'm not saying its wrong for him to do it, I just don't see him as a saviour given his history or that advert

[GiRTh]

People can spin it however they want, the simple fact is that Bernie's ad is designed to win him some votes. It doesn't talk about his record, it tries to play on the emotional strings of black voters.

I'm not saying its wrong for him to do it, I just don't see him as a saviour given his history or that advertOf course it is. Its an election year and he's running for office. :shrug:

[Kizzy]

People can spin it however they want, the simple fact is that Bernie's ad is designed to win him some votes. It doesn't talk about his record, it tries to play on the emotional strings of black voters.

I'm not saying its wrong for him to do it, I just don't see him as a saviour given his history or that advert

Yep, anyone one who doesn't want to cast their vote in ignorance will have looked into his background and can see he isn't simply paying lip service and has actually been actively engaged in raising social awareness of issues for many many years.

[MTVN]

Also worth bearing in mind that Hilary's support amongst the black population is very strong and it's partly this that she is relying on to hold off the threat from Bernie hence this ad appearing now

[Vicky.]

I know nothing at all about this America election thing except that I really do not want Trump to win as he is an asshat

[Tom4784]

People can spin it however they want, the simple fact is that Bernie's ad is designed to win him some votes. It doesn't talk about his record, it tries to play on the emotional strings of black voters.

I'm not saying its wrong for him to do it, I just don't see him as a saviour given his history or that advert

It's an election, dear.

He has a history of supporting social causes that other politicians would be fearful to support, this is no different.

If anyone is guilty of pandering it's Hillary.

[bots]

It's an election, dear.

He has a history of supporting social causes that other politicians would be fearful to support, this is no different.

If anyone is guilty of pandering it's Hillary.

Please don't try your condescending crap with me. My point was perfectly clear

[Tom4784]

Please don't try your condescending crap with me. My point was perfectly clear

Yes, Bernie was trying to win some votes with an ad during an election, he's the Devil incarnate.

[GiRTh]

Please don't try your condescending crap with me. My point was perfectly clearIts not too clear TBH. Every single candidate in the history of elections in any democratic country has probably used an advert to win votes. So your point isnt very clear at all. Are you accusing Bernie of pandering? Then accuse every body else too. Bernie has the most consistent voting record of all the candidates in any party . It is clear what he believes in and what he stand for; this is one of the topics he has been vocal about for years.

[Kizzy]

I thought the advertisement thing there was like our party political broadcasts?

[GiRTh]

I thought the advertisement thing there was like our party political broadcasts?
Very similar.

[reece(:]

Come through Bernie :clap1:

[lostalex]

Nobody slates the US police, they comment on the story. It's always you that basically says 'YEAH WELL THE UK POLICE ARE BAD TOO SO TAKE THAT!' because you can't cope with the fact that the USA isn't the perfect country you think it is. No country is perfect.

Well i disagree, i think you are wrong.

[Tom4784]

Well i disagree, i think you are wrong.

That's nice, dear.

[lostalex]

That's nice, dear.

ohh you called me dear, am i your Valentine? :blush2: