Kids to pick from 25 genders...

[Vicky.]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3420203/Are-gender-fluid-demi-girl-intersex.html

What on earth is this rubbish? Since when has 'tomboy' been a gender? And how the hell can you identify as 'all of the genders'?!

Sorry, there is being progressive, then there is being downright stupid. This unfortunately falls into the latter category. A simple male/female and maybe an 'unknown' option would surely suffice? :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Oh ffs :facepalm:

[Vicky.]

This is for 13 year olds too, who will already be confused as **** about life in general. having to then decide if you are a demi-boy or whatever...well we are pretty much just going to create as generation of confused young adults D:

[Niamh.]

Yeah big time ^

[Crimson Dynamo]

ridiculous nonsense

[bots]

After the long list, there is an Others, please state option :joker:

[Ninastar]

I think it's probably just being over exaggerated for views but this wouldn't surprise me if it were true.

[lostalex]

who cares, it doesn't really effect anyone that is a cis gender, so why do you care? i don't give a **** what gender other people identify as.

[lostalex]

This is for 13 year olds too, who will already be confused as **** about life in general. having to then decide if you are a demi-boy or whatever...well we are pretty much just going to create as generation of confused young adults D:

they are mostly confused because of ignorant adults that think this is still the 1950's.

[Niamh.]

they are mostly confused because of ignorant adults that think this is still the 1950's.

Not really

[Vicky.]

they are mostly confused because of ignorant adults that think this is still the 1950's.

Yeah...of course, like always

Sorry but how on earth is 'tomboy' a gender? A tomboy is a female. So surely this would make gender female? Personality traits (such as playing with boys more than girls) does not change your gender?

I just cannot get my head round most of this nonsense.

If this makes me ignorant, I can live with that tbh.

[lostalex]

Yeah...of course, like always

Sorry but how on earth is 'tomboy' a gender? A tomboy is a female. So surely this would make gender female? Personality traits (such as playing with boys more than girls) does not change your gender?

I just cannot get my head round most of this nonsense.

If this makes me ignorant, I can live with that tbh.

sex and gender are not the same thing. sex is the physical bits, gender is an identity in your mind.

you are thinking purely in terms of sex.

[Cal.]

There should me male, female and unknown/other. There's no reason to have all these stupid categories.

[Cherie]

What annoys me about this is the waste of money when we are in a period of austerity, if they want this information they should make it part of the census, though what business it is what people identify as is anyone's guess, there should also be a "don't want to say option"

[Niamh.]

sex and gender are not the same thing. sex is the physical bits, gender is an identity in your mind.

you are thinking purely in terms of sex.

Even so, what need is there for 25 different genders? For what purpose would you need to call yourself a Tomboy rather than a girl?

[lostalex]

What annoys me about this is the waste of money when we are in a period of austerity, if they want this information they should make it part of the census, though what business it is what people identify as is anyone's guess, there should also be a "don't want to say option"

really? you are worried about the cost of extra ink? i think there are plenty of other wasteful programs in the government to worry about.

[Crimson Dynamo]

what is the reason for asking a 13 year old about this?

if they want to know ask their parents

[Kizzy]

Won't this have a bad effect on those girls who do identify as tomboys and the equivalent label for boys, wow anything that is even slightly out of the norm is identified for future reference from a very early age. Welcome to conditioning.
40xiN95ZUII (check the year :/)

[Cherie]

really? you are worried about the cost of extra ink? i think there are plenty of other wasteful programs in the government to worry about.

Do you think the information is going to collate itself :think:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/28/00/30A4F12600000578-0-image-a-4_1453941540934.jpg
Yes Jack Monroe is a one off

she was on Ch4HD news the other week saying she was Raped
as a boy and as a girl.

Not so typical complex

[Jords]

Its an extremely holistic approach to gender but really unnecessary. Most of these terms kinda just describe a person's 'opinion' on gender i.e. your 'concrete gender' is not "gender fluid" but you can believe that gender is fluid - if that makes sense? - and would categorise you probably under "bi-gender" if you believed your own gender is fluid.

In my opinion: male, female and bi-gender male (male who is sometimes female)/bi-gender female (female who is sometimes male) cover gender categories. If you are trans - you would consider yourself as newly male or newly female whichever the case - I see "transgender" as more of a process.

Just as with sexuality: straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual. All the other fancy terms (e.g. asexual, demisexual, pansexual) just describe 'opinions/feelings' of sexuality... If youre "asexual" you dont experience sexual desire, but if youre only romantically interested in/drawn to the opposite sex then you are still straight. "Demisexuals" are bisexual people that focus on an emotional bond, if they tell me 'need an emotional bond but only interested in the same sex' then they are gay. "Pansexuals" are bisexual people that have no preference between males, females, bi-gender males and bi-gender females, in my opinion.

I LOVE THESE TOPICS.

[lostalex]

Do you think the information is going to collate itself :think:

I think the suicide rate among trans youth is enough of a reason to put some extra funding into it. I think it might save a few lives which makes it worth it.

[Cherie]

I think the suicide rate among trans youth is enough of a reason to put some extra funding into it. I think it might save a few lives which makes it worth it.

And you know funding is going to be directed in this area how?

[user104658]

I'm interfemale.

Cuz I'm really inter females.

HEE HEE HEE HEE hee hee he h...


OK anyway I think it's important to let young people know about transgender / fluid gender issues so they don't feel like they have to conform to male / female stereotypes but, come on, seriously, there are far too many options here and half of them as far as I can tell mean the same things...

[lostalex]

And you know funding is going to be directed in this area how?

umm, you were the one complaining about the money, so i should be asking you that question. you are the one saying they are wasting money on it.

[andybigbro]

What is the difference between a girl and a young woman or even female?

This is ridiculous

[Jords]

I'm interfemale.

Cuz I'm really inter females.

HEE HEE HEE HEE hee hee he h...


OK anyway I think it's important to let young people know about transgender / fluid gender issues so they don't feel like they have to conform to male / female stereotypes but, come on, seriously, there are far too many options here and half of them as far as I can tell mean the same things...

:joker::joker::joker:

[Niamh.]

Its an extremely holistic approach to gender but really unnecessary. Most of these terms kinda just describe a person's 'opinion' on gender i.e. your 'concrete gender' is not "gender fluid" but you can believe that gender is fluid - if that makes sense? - and would categorise you probably under "bi-gender" if you believed your own gender is fluid.

In my opinion: male, female and bi-gender male (male who is sometimes female)/bi-gender female (female who is sometimes male) cover gender categories. If you are trans - you would consider yourself as newly male or newly female whichever the case - I see "transgender" as more of a process.

Just as with sexuality: straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual. All the other fancy terms (e.g. asexual, demisexual, pansexual) just describe 'opinions/feelings' of sexuality... If youre "asexual" you dont experience sexual desire, but if youre only romantically interested in/drawn to the opposite sex then you are still straight. "Demisexuals" are bisexual people that focus on an emotional bond, if they tell me 'need an emotional bond but only interested in the same sex' then they are gay. "Pansexuals" are bisexual people that have no preference between males, females, bi-gender males and bi-gender females, in my opinion.

I LOVE THESE TOPICS.

Great post Jords, makes sense

[lostalex]

basically they just copied the new Facebook gender choices i think, so i doubt the UK government spent much time or money on this change.

[Cherie]

umm, you were the one complaining about the money, so i should be asking you that question. you are the one saying they are wasting money on it.

Yes they are wasting money, it will be collated, and published and binned and no funding will be available. I'm glad we agree on this

[Jords]

What is the difference between a girl and a young woman or even female?

This is ridiculous

They are just combining age with gender to come up with more and more titles. Age should be covered in the next question on the survey :joker:

[UserSince2005]

dont think any of the 24 define me so I guess im just "other".

[Crimson Dynamo]

in my day you were a boy a girl a **** (sounds like roof) or a lezza

why change a great system like that?

its madness


note: not that there is anything wrong with being a **** or a lezza

[Jords]

in my day you were a boy a girl a **** (sounds like roof) or a lezzahttp://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=8522874#

why change a great system like that?

its madness


note: not that there is anything wrong with being a **** or a lezza

but Im a boy and a **** I hope the questionnaires were multiple-answer :oh:

[Kizzy]

At 13 are you really suppose to make those concrete distinctions? They could be changing daily, or hourly. Stupid, non news mail item to fill the space usually reserved for news.

[Josy]

What a lot of utter bollocks

[lostalex]

in my day you were a boy a girl a **** (sounds like roof) or a lezza

why change a great system like that?

its madness


note: not that there is anything wrong with being a **** or a lezza

i love your sarcastic/ironic sense of humor.

[Livia]

I went to see Priscilla Queen of the Desert last Saturday night and I'd rather like to be a drag queen.

[T*]

Hasn't this been rumoured to happen since like 2014? Sounds like DM, as always, are feeding off scraps

[T*]

Why don't they just have an 'other' option where people can then put in a box what they are? This seems so far fetched and Inefficient, and the 'other' option opens it up to everyone so people can't complain that their gender isn't on there?

[Vicky.]

Its an extremely holistic approach to gender but really unnecessary. Most of these terms kinda just describe a person's 'opinion' on gender i.e. your 'concrete gender' is not "gender fluid" but you can believe that gender is fluid - if that makes sense? - and would categorise you probably under "bi-gender" if you believed your own gender is fluid.

In my opinion: male, female and bi-gender male (male who is sometimes female)/bi-gender female (female who is sometimes male) cover gender categories. If you are trans - you would consider yourself as newly male or newly female whichever the case - I see "transgender" as more of a process.

Just as with sexuality: straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual. All the other fancy terms (e.g. asexual, demisexual, pansexual) just describe 'opinions/feelings' of sexuality... If youre "asexual" you dont experience sexual desire, but if youre only romantically interested in/drawn to the opposite sex then you are still straight. "Demisexuals" are bisexual people that focus on an emotional bond, if they tell me 'need an emotional bond but only interested in the same sex' then they are gay. "Pansexuals" are bisexual people that have no preference between males, females, bi-gender males and bi-gender females, in my opinion.

I LOVE THESE TOPICS.

Yup, I agree with pretty much all of this.

And maybe I am getting 'sex' and 'gender' mixed up, but if so, why are there both 'sex' and 'gender' answers on the same questionnaire? You have the male and female options...but then all of the other random things added on. This is part of the reason I think it will just be confusing for teens. If someone is (for example demi-girl) they are BOTH female and demi-girl surely? So many of the options appear to be personality traits and nothing at all to do with actual gender.

Showed this to my partner and he said that before long, you won't be able to ask the sex of your baby...or to refer to it as a boy or a girl just incase in a few years it turns out that in their head they are not a boy or a girl. Might sound dramatic but this does seem to be the way things are going :S

[T*]

'what's the gender of your baby'
'LOBSTER YOU CISGENDER ****'

[Vicky.]

'what's the gender of your baby'
'LOBSTER YOU CISGENDER ****'

:joker:

[bots]

Yup, I agree with pretty much all of this.

And maybe I am getting 'sex' and 'gender' mixed up, but if so, why are there both 'sex' and 'gender' answers on the same questionnaire? You have the male and female options...but then all of the other random things added on. This is part of the reason I think it will just be confusing for teens. If someone is (for example demi-girl) they are BOTH female and demi-girl surely? So many of the options appear to be personality traits and nothing at all to do with actual gender.

Showed this to my partner and he said that before long, you won't be able to ask the sex of your baby...or to refer to it as a boy or a girl just incase in a few years it turns out that in their head they are not a boy or a girl. Might sound dramatic but this does seem to be the way things are going :S

When they get a scan in the womb ... is it a boy, girl or any of the other possible options, and the hospital is sued 18 years later for giving the wrong answer :joker:

[Xtopher]

I'm gonna be a Young Man all my life.

[lostalex]

I went to see Priscilla Queen of the Desert last Saturday night and I'd rather like to be a drag queen.

Who's stopping you?

[lostalex]

'what's the gender of your baby'
'LOBSTER YOU CISGENDER ****'

well some women smelling like rotten seafood is usually something straight men say... i guess they would know, they do get up close and personal with the cisgender female parts...

[Alf]

Who's stopping you?
Nature

[lostalex]

Nature

no it's not. nature didn't stop you from making your own name and identity and talking on this very unnatural american invention THE INTERNET, Nature isn't stopping anyone from doing anything.

[Jamie89]

I don't see the problem, it's just a survey. Yes there are a lot of options, but does it not say in the article that this is just a draft? Obviously for the draft they are going to include all the options they can initially think of, but it's likely that the final list of options will be more concise. I think it's interesting research to do anyway because as some people have commented, when they were growing up it was just male/female/gay or whatever, but as we know, there are many people who fall outside of those catagories who have struggled in life as a result. It's easy to ignore that these people exist and have existed because in the past they've been pushed into the shadows, but they do exist. So why not actively try and identify how young people view themselves in terms of gender, if it ends up helping some of them. It's really not going to harm anyone, and it's not going to confuse anyone. If someone taking this survey views themselves as male, they will tick the 'male' option, no harm done. And I don't think much research has been done in this area before so of course it will start off a bit rocky, and there will be a lot of uncertainty as to what gender options should be included, but that will all come together over time. Society's attitudes towards gender and identity are progressing and this is simply a reflection of that. It's not perfect yet but it's a great start.

[Tom4784]

It's stupid really, half of those options are the same thing but worded differently.

I think the only real valid option other than male, female and trans is gender fluid, the rest scream of people wanting to be special little snowflakes.

[Niamh.]

It's stupid really, half of those options are the same thing but worded differently.

I think the only real valid option other than male, female and trans is gender fluid, the rest scream of people wanting to be special little snowflakes.

Option 26?

[Tom4784]

Option 26?

27, Option 26 is for people who wish to be identified as a platypus.

[Greg!]

The hilarious thing is this still won't be good enough for some deranged social justice warriors on tumblr

[Niamh.]

27, Option 26 is for people who wish to be identified as a platypus.

MTVN

The hilarious thing is this still won't be good enough for some deranged social justice warriors on tumblr

I just don't get the purpose of it, for what would you ever use this label you've given yourself? Will there be 25 different changing rooms in gyms etc? :laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

It is a load of **** and they should'nt be confusing kids at an impressionable age.They've just made up those terms.

[Kizzy]

Genderqueer, is that a thing? I s queer not offensive? :conf:

[Will.]

I'm Bi-Gender.

[Firewire]

I'm all for allowing more than two standard genders because some people genuinely don't feel like they fit either of them, but 25 is a bit too much.

[Northern Monkey]

I'd say 5 is more than enough.
Male
Female
Wannabe male
Wannabe female
Can't make mind up

[Firewire]

Male and female are sexes, not genders

[Kizzy]

I'm a FWK (female with kahoonas) (not literally)

[Samm]

Wannabe male
Wannabe female

What's this supposed to mean :umm2:

[Shaun]

Genderqueer, is that a thing? I s queer not offensive? :conf:

It seems to have been re-adopted by some portions of the LGBT community but god knows... I always took it to be a slur rather than anything else, but I'm sure "LGBTQI" is now being floated around as the new name (I'm not even sure what the I stands for... is it inbetween? Indifferent? Ibexes?)

The whole thing is just tedious, and dangerously undermines the seriousness of actual fights for equality/tolerance. I refuse to believe anyone would actually identify themselves as "young man" as their gender and spend a good, coherent argument telling everyone how that's different to "male".

[Kizzy]

I can see in as far as a 13yr old may not want to identify as a boy, so the alternative is young man, but yes both are male so... :/

[Firewire]

It seems to have been re-adopted by some portions of the LGBT community but god knows... I always took it to be a slur rather than anything else, but I'm sure "LGBTQI" is now being floated around as the new name (I'm not even sure what the I stands for... is it inbetween? Indifferent? Ibexes?)

The whole thing is just tedious, and dangerously undermines the seriousness of actual fights for equality/tolerance. I refuse to believe anyone would actually identify themselves as "young man" as their gender and spend a good, coherent argument telling everyone how that's different to "male".

Intersex

[user104658]

It's stupid really, half of those options are the same thing but worded differently.

I think the only real valid option other than male, female and trans is gender fluid, the rest scream of people wanting to be special little snowflakes.

Jesus...

If Dezzy thinks it's too much, it's definitely too much.

[Mystic Mock]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/28/00/30A4F12600000578-0-image-a-4_1453941540934.jpg
Yes Jack Monroe is a one off

she was on Ch4HD news the other week saying she was Raped
as a boy and as a girl.

Not so typical complex

I'm sorry as I know that this isn't gonna sound very PC but this is bull****.

I'm with Vicky on personality traits are not a gender, people should be labelled their gender based on their anatomy at that given time, if you have a penis you're a male, if you have boobs and a vagina then you're a female.

Why does everything have to have 50 billion different choices to them when they're just simple? I mean the only other one that makes any sense to be included is the one to do with having both men and women's parts.

[jennyjuniper]

If this list of choices is aimed at young people, then there should only be three. Male. Female and I don't know yet.

[Calderyon]

What is the point of this? Why mess with kids minds?