The truth of Sharia courts in Britain

[Northern Monkey]

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Women being granted divorce from violent husbands by British courts but refused by the Sharia court unless they give access to their children to these violent muslim men.
The first reaction by the Sharia court to an abused women is to find out if the woman is at fault for the violence by the man.Asking questions regarding whether the woman cleans the house etc.

If a muslim woman wants a divorce then she has to pay back her dowry wheras the man can divorce for free.
Men can take multiple wives leaving women at a financial disadvantage.
These are the parrallel laws which are in place in many muslim areas of Britain.They are not recognised by British law but are in place now in our country.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Muslim men are permitted to beat their wives

[the truth]

ffs its an absolute disgrace.....but the irony is this is the labour party and the liberals fault ....the people who are meant to protect women have in fact unprotected tm with too much political correctness. this is not even a small section this is enmasse. makes me sick, we have simply got to wipe out all these courts before they grow too widespread

[Alf]

Where are The Feminist's when you need them?

[the truth]

Where are The Feminist's when you need them?

Im right here

[Northern Monkey]

It is a disgrace that these kangaroo courts are not being shut down.They legally have no power but they have influence over whole communities.They don't recognise British law.To them it means nothing.Sharia law has absolutely no place in Britain.It is primitive and oppressive.

[lostalex]

Muslim men are permitted to beat their wives

not just permitted, some muslim leaders tell the men that it's their muslim DUTY to beat their wives. so they actually tell men that aren't violent that they should be MORE violent with their wives to be a good muslim.

[waterhog]

not just permitted, some muslim leaders tell the men that it's their muslim DUTY to beat their wives. so they actually tell men that aren't violent that they should be MORE violent with their wives to be a good muslim.

very disturbing matter.

( I do like the sound of being allowed to have lots of wives :cheer2: but I would be delighted with 1 :fist: )

[bots]

I don't know where people get a lot of this fiction from. A Sharia court has to fall within the laws of the land

[kirklancaster]

I don't know where people get a lot of this fiction from. A Sharia court has to fall within the laws of the land

FICTION??? Do you personally KNOW any MUSLIM wives who have suffered because of these Sharia Courts? I do in Huddersfield.

And saying that they have to 'fall within the law of the land' is like saying that a lot of 'Corner Shops' cannot sell smuggled skank cigarettes from 'under the counter', a lot of 'Off Licences' cannot sell intoxicating drinks to - obvious - under 18 year olds, and that there are NO criminals in the UK because it is 'against the law'.

I warned about these 'Courts' on here a long while ago, and there is nothing 'FICTIONAL' in what Paul writes.

[bots]

FICTION??? Do you personally KNOW any MUSLIM wives who have suffered because of these Sharia Courts? I do in Huddersfield.

And saying that they have to 'fall within the law of the land' is like saying that a lot of 'Corner Shops' cannot sell smuggled skank cigarettes from 'under the counter', a lot of 'Off Licences' cannot sell intoxicating drinks to - obvious - under 18 year olds, and that there are NO criminals in the UK because it is 'against the law'.

I warned about these 'Courts' on here a long while ago, and there is nothing 'FICTIONAL' in what Paul writes.

It may have escaped your notice, but any married couple in the UK can beat the crap out of each other without an eyebrow being raised unless one of them decides to take the issue to the police. The same applies to those of the muslim faith.

[kirklancaster]

It may have escaped your notice, but any married couple in the UK can beat the crap out of each other without an eyebrow being raised unless one of them decides to take the issue to the police. The same applies to those of the muslim faith.

That is not true. If a member of the 'battered' partner's family, a work colleague, or indeed a neighbour KNOWS of Domestic Abuse, and they call the Police, then the Police can investigate and prosecute whether the victim cooperates or not.

In addition BOTS, ALL abuse is unacceptable, but there is a vast difference between individual cases of 'Domestic Abuse' - no matter how widespread - than there is in 'Institutional' abuse of wives, as in Muslim culture and as 'Sanctioned and Mandated' by Sharia Courts.

This is NOT an anti-Muslim issue, it is an anti-Abuse of women issue.

[Northern Monkey]

I don't know where people get a lot of this fiction from. A Sharia court has to fall within the laws of the land

The vid in the op is a BBC documentary with hidden camera footage.No fiction involved.

[Kizzy]

The use of a sharia court has to be agreed by both parties, if there was abuse and there is police involvement then I would like to think that there would be support not to go down that route.

[bots]

The vid in the op is a BBC documentary with hidden camera footage.No fiction involved.

So let me just clarify. This is being made out that it is a court that allows muslims to break the uk law and follow their own laws instead. That is simply untrue and completely misleading.

As I said above, Sharia law has to fall within the remits of UK law. That being the case, while we may not like what they are doing, ANYONE, whatever their religion, is free to do the same thing within the UK.

[Northern Monkey]

The use of a sharia court has to be agreed by both parties, if there was abuse and there is police involvement then I would like to think that there would be support not to go down that route.

Alot of these cases are women wanting divorces.The Sharia courts side with the man even if he is abusive.They want to know what the woman is doing wrong to deserve what the man is doing to her.
The first case in that vid is the woman saying she has had enough of her husband and the court has been saying "just give him one more month" for over a year.
If a man wants a divorce it is much easier.

[Kizzy]

Alot of these cases are women wanting divorces.The Sharia courts side with the man even if he is abusive.They want to know what the woman is doing wrong to deserve what the man is doing to her.
The first case in that vid is the woman saying she has had enough of her husband and the court has been saying "just give him one more month" for over a year.
If a man wants a divorce it is much easier.

I see that, there is support out there for Muslim women seeking divorce via the police in cases of abuse as has been highlighted.

[Ninastar]

Where are The Feminist's when you need them?

This is something that really really irritates me about modern day 'feminists'. They are happy to hate on anything to do with the media/something a politician/famous person says etc, but as soon as something bad happens to a woman of the muslim community, nothing is said. Like these sex ring scandals, people would rather discuss something someone famous said, than discuss what 6+ men did to underage girls for months whist no one knew.

[arista]

Yes it goes on
We need more Docu's on this mess

[Northern Monkey]

So let me just clarify. This is being made out that it is a court that allows muslims to break the uk law and follow their own laws instead. That is simply untrue and completely misleading.

As I said above, Sharia law has to fall within the remits of UK law. That being the case, while we may not like what they are doing, ANYONE, whatever their religion, is free to do the same thing within the UK.
A direct quote from the documentary by a barrister specialising in family law who has been to many hearings at Sharia councils "They're totally unregulated,unauthorised,there's no accountability and many of them are not operating in accordance with UK law"

[Kazanne]

It is a disgrace that these kangaroo courts are not being shut down.They legally have no power but they have influence over whole communities.They don't recognise British law.To them it means nothing.Sharia law has absolutely no place in Britain.It is primitive and oppressive.

I agree,if they cant abide by British rules they should pack up their **** and fcuk off,these low lifes will if left , fester and set back ,a once great country.

[Northern Monkey]

I agree,if they cant abide by British rules they should pack up their **** and fcuk off,these low lifes will if left , fester and set back ,a once great country.:clap1: :clap1: :clap1: :clap1: (Kirk style)

[bots]

A direct quote from the documentary by a barrister specialising in family law who has been to many hearings at Sharia councils "They're totally unregulated,unauthorised,there's no accountability and many of them are not operating in accordance with UK law"

In order to have the law come into effect, in these type of things, the aggrieved person has to seek recourse. If that person chooses to accept it, there is generally very little that can be done.

[Kizzy]

In order to have the law come into effect, in these type of things, the aggrieved person has to seek recourse. If that person chooses to accept it, there is generally very little that can be done.

At least it's something of which the victim has control over, and it appears to be taken seriously. Unlike the reference to abuses within the church that seems to be joked about like some accepted social norm now :/

[lostalex]

At least it's something of which the victim has control over, and it appears to be taken seriously. Unlike the reference to abuses within the church that seems to be joked about like some accepted social norm now :/

It's not a good situation for abused women at all Kizzy. It's hard enough for non-muslim to leave abusive relationships, these sharia courts make it exponentially harder for muslim women.

These unrecognized courts have far too much power within the muslim community.

[Kizzy]

It's not a good situation for abused women at all Kizzy. It's hard enough for non-muslim to leave abusive relationships, these sharia courts make it exponentially harder for muslim women.

These unrecognized courts have far too much power within the muslim community.

It has to be agreed upon to hear the case in a sharia court, if the woman disagrees then that's the end, it's having the strength, courage and support to refuse.

[lostalex]

It has to be agreed upon to hear the case in a sharia court, if the woman disagrees then that's the end, it's having the strength, courage and support to refuse.

and if she doesn't agree she is totally ostracized and thrown onto the street, or even worse threatened with death and rape. They are truly scared. Have some understanding of what these women are experiencing Kizzy!

Think about what you are saying.

[Kizzy]

and if she doesn't agree she is totally ostracized and thrown onto the street, or even worse threatened with death and rape. They are truly scared. Have some understanding of what these women are experiencing Kizzy!

Think about what you are saying.

I did just say that look, ' having the strength, courage and support' ... There has to be support from within communities.
Otherwise how will there be any change?

[lostalex]

I did just say that look, ' having the strength, courage and support' ... There has to be support from within communities.
Otherwise how will there be any change?

The British authorities including armed police should be forcing the change.

[kirklancaster]

At least it's something of which the victim has control over, and it appears to be taken seriously. Unlike the reference to abuses within the church that seems to be joked about like some accepted social norm now :/

:facepalm: I find it totally predictable how abuse of females is mitigated in your posts when it is Muslim related, and I note your clever attempt to deflect attention away from the issue by bringing in 'abuse within the Christian church' which is totally unrelated.

[bots]

:facepalm: I find it totally predictable how abuse of females is mitigated in your posts when it is Muslim related, and I note your clever attempt to deflect attention away from the issue by bringing in 'abuse within the Christian church' which is totally unrelated.

Kirk, if you believe you have been illegally treated, you go to the police and initiate a complaint. The police don't come to you and ask if anything illegal has happened to you today. That's the way the system works

I will also repeat again, that activities are not illegal if they fall within the law and all parties agree on the action.

A court can give sole custody and exclude a partner from visiting rights to a child, but if the 2 parents come to an agreement outside court to allow access, that stands. That's how life works.

[kirklancaster]

Kirk, if you believe you have been illegally treated, you go to the police and initiate a complaint. The police don't come to you and ask if anything illegal has happened to you today. That's the way the system works

I will also repeat again, that activities are not illegal if they fall within the law and all parties agree on the action.

A court can give sole custody and exclude a partner from visiting rights to a child, but if the 2 parents come to an agreement outside court to allow access, that stands. That's how life works.

But BOTS - you are presuming that Sharia Law Courts ABIDE by British Law, which in a lot of cases THEY DO NOT, and you are overlooking the very real fact that abused Muslim wives (or any abused wives for that matter) are not too terrified to notify anyone about their dilemna.

Are you REALLY maintaining that Islamic sensibilities concerning matrimonial matters are the same as our Western ones?

[Kizzy]

:facepalm: I find it totally predictable how abuse of females is mitigated in your posts when it is Muslim related, and I note your clever attempt to deflect attention away from the issue by bringing in 'abuse within the Christian church' which is totally unrelated.

I had to point out the hypocrisy of railing at abuse in one institution while making jokes about in another.
As I said there needs to be support within communities.

[bots]

But BOTS - you are presuming that Sharia Law Courts ABIDE by British Law, which in a lot of cases THEY DO NOT, and you are overlooking the very real fact that abused Muslim wives (or any abused wives for that matter) are not too terrified to notify anyone about their dilemna.

Are you REALLY maintaining that Islamic sensibilities concerning matrimonial matters are the same as our Western ones?

I'm ignoring the muslim side of it because what has been highlighted is not a sole trait of Sharia courts, anyone can do exactly the same.

When you buy something, you enter into a sales contract that will have associated terms and conditions. As is stated many times on them, they do not affect your statutory rights, but they are interpretations being implied by the seller. These things happen every day, but an individual still has the same rights.

You have a car accident, someone may clearly be at fault, and offer to pay the costs of repair to avoid claims on both insurances. By law, the responsible person should abide by a court decision, but you settle it to the satisfaction of both parties. Can you not see how difficult life would become without agreements?

[kirklancaster]

I had to point out the hypocrisy of railing at abuse in one institution while making jokes about in another.
As I said there needs to be support within communities.

There is NO hypocrisy in my posts or in me. I suggest that it is YOUR posts which do not bear scrutiny when it comes to balance, logic, and consistency.

Amnd if you think that a JOKE about a time-honoured subject such as cassock lifting clergy is on a par with some subhuman bastard raping a THREE year old, then I feel sorry for you.

[kirklancaster]

I'm ignoring the muslim side of it because what has been highlighted is not a sole trait of Sharia courts, anyone can do exactly the same.

When you buy something, you enter into a sales contract that will have associated terms and conditions. As is stated many times on them, they do not affect your statutory rights, but they are interpretations being implied by the seller. These things happen every day, but an individual still has the same rights.

You have a car accident, someone may clearly be at fault, and offer to pay the costs of repair to avoid claims on both insurances. By law, the responsible person should abide by a court decision, but you settle it to the satisfaction of both parties. Can you not see how difficult life would become without agreements?

I am afraid BOTS, that for the first time - I do not have a clue what you are going on about, much less just what any of it has to do with the fact that though Sharia Courts SHOULD ABIDE WITH BRITISH LAW, a LOT OF THEM CLEARLY DO NOT, and this includes my OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE and various other well qualified and unimpeachable sources, including the testimony of NUMEROUS ABUSED MUSLIM WIVES WHO HAVE SUFFERED INJUSTICE UNDER SHARIA COURTS.

[Kizzy]

There is NO hypocrisy in my posts or in me. I suggest that it is YOUR posts which do not bear scrutiny when it comes to balance, logic, and consistency.

Amnd if you think that a JOKE about a time-honoured subject such as cassock lifting clergy is on a par with some subhuman bastard raping a THREE year old, then I feel sorry for you.

We were discussing divorce :conf:

Is good old fashioned Christian pedophilia different to any other kind? Sorry I had no idea.

[DemolitionRed]

I agree,if they cant abide by British rules they should pack up their **** and fcuk off,these low lifes will if left , fester and set back ,a once great country.

Wow you got riled just like you were supposed to :hehe:

This thread was nothing to do with the down trodden Muslim women. Its just another yawn worthy thread where we can all do a bit of Muslim bashing.

[bots]

I am afraid BOTS, that for the first time - I do not have a clue what you are going on about, much less just what any of it has to do with the fact that though Sharia Courts SHOULD ABIDE WITH BRITISH LAW, a LOT OF THEM CLEARLY DO NOT, and this includes my OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE and various other well qualified and unimpeachable sources, including the testimony of NUMEROUS ABUSED MUSLIM WIVES WHO HAVE SUFFERED INJUSTICE UNDER SHARIA COURTS.

I tried to explain some of the subtleties of the UK systems. No-one, and I mean no-one is beyond the recourse of the law if they choose to use it for recourse. The examples given with respect to Sharia law amount to INFORMAL agreements that BOTH parties have agreed to accept as a method of resolution. At no point is either party legally bound - so its not a court. If the woman was not willing to accept, she need only see her lawyer or visit a police station to have any court action enforced.

The UK can provide support and advice, but it does require the aggrieved party to at least make some attempt to be proactive in seeking help if required.

[Kizzy]

Wow you got riled just like you were supposed to :hehe:

This thread was nothing to do with the down trodden Muslim women. Its just another yawn worthy thread where we can all do a bit of Muslim bashing.

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/rabbi-urges-alleged-child-abuse-victim-not-to-tell-police

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/how-a-tv-documentary-helped-one-woman-get-a-divorce

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scandal-of-women-trapped-in-marriages-by-jewish-courts-1765888.html


Further cases of religious courts acting outside of our laws and cultural perimeters. Two wrongs don't make a right, yet in the interest of balance I feel it's important to show that it isn't only one section of society that may be in need of exposure with regard to abuses of women and children.