Trump batters the Pope who attacks him

[Crimson Dynamo]

smh at the pope


Pope spoke on Papal plane after trip to Mexico which took him to US border where he celebrated mass
Condemned Trump's plan to build a wall between the United States and Mexico saying: 'This is not in the Gospel.'
Trump, campaigning in South Carolina, hit back furiously, calling the Pope 'disgraceful' and accused him of being a 'pawn' of the Mexican government
'Now it's probably going to be all over the world. Who the hell cares? I don't care!' he said. 'We have to stop illegal immigration ... and crime.'
Trump is a Presbyterian who has highlighted his religion repeatedly and is battling Ted Cruz in South Carolina for evangelicals
Pope had held right on the border at Ciudad Juarez, with celebration simulcast to stadium on American side of Rio Grande



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3453193/Pope-says-Trump-not-Christian-views-plans-immigration.html#ixzz40XwHLjFF


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[Shaun]

His arrogance and idiocy knows no bounds.

[Crimson Dynamo]

His arrogance and idiocy knows no bounds.

thats the pope for you, he has his own city


with, you guessed it, a big wall around it

:umm2:

[kirklancaster]

This Pope is 'Grinding His Own Axe' with this - He hails from Latin American Immigrant stock.

[UserSince2005]

hate him even more now, as if he wouldnt let Isis murder the pope and all his dirty paedophile priests.

[MTVN]

Trump says it's 'disgraceful to question a person's faith' yet thinks that Obama is a Muslim

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trump says it's 'disgraceful to question a person's faith' yet thinks that Obama is a Muslim

dont get Kirk started

:fist:

[Kizzy]

There are a LOT of catholics in Mexico, he had to say something.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There are a LOT of catholics in Mexico, he had to say something.

true

[kirklancaster]

dont get Kirk started

:fist:

:laugh::laugh: Kirk's too knackered to care L.T. :hehe:

[joeysteele]

I am more with the Pope here, despite the problems and wrongs of the Catholic Church.
Trump just seems to get worse.

[GiRTh]

This doesn't surprise me. Got to side with his holyness on this one.

Trumps performance in the last debate on Saturday was astonishing. He went off. He attacked everyone; even having a go at Jeb Bush for his brothers record ie the 911 attack. This is something that was considered almost treason a few years ago and something the left are too frightened to do. All the press think Trump was a bully and went too far. Personally I think that point should have been hammered by the left ages ago.

Leading conservative pundits reckon that given Trumps performance at the debate if he wins South Carolina then its all over; they may as well hand him the nomination now. According to Fox News, Trump is currently leading the poll by 32% in South Carolina. Got to hand it to him his tactics since Iowa have been brilliant.

[bots]

I'm with Donald on this one, its not the popes job to get involved in politics, and certainly not concerning mexico and the usa

[Cherie]

I'm with Donald on this one, its not the popes job to get involved in politics, and certainly not concerning mexico and the usa

Why not? It's not your or my job either but we can have our say

[bots]

Why not? It's not your or my job either but we can have our say

yes, but if you or I say anything, nobody listens (usually) :laugh:

With power comes responsibility, and its really none of his business as head of the Catholic church

[Kizzy]

Then why is David Cameron advocating Anglicanism?

[bots]

its interesting that the pope would say that Trump is not a Christian as he wants to be building walls, yet the Catholic Church still considered Christian those priests they covered for and protected that were child molesters and monetarily corrupt. He should look to his own organisation before trying to influence the result of an election in a foreign country

[empire]

the pope has stuck two fingers at his catholic europeans, for telling them to embrace the refugee invasion, the only thing the church care's for is the gold and silver, on there necks and hands, when jfk was the first catholic to be leader of america, he took a strong dislike of the pope who would try and dictate to him, back then, where was the pope when christians where being killed in iraq and syria by isis,

[DemolitionRed]

the pope has stuck two fingers at his catholic europeans, for telling them to embrace the refugee invasion, the only thing the church care's for is the gold and silver, on there necks and hands, when jfk was the first catholic to be leader of america, he took a strong dislike of the pope who would try and dictate to him, back then, where was the pope when christians where being killed in iraq and syria by isis,

And look what happened to him :shocked:

[MTVN]

The Pope is the leader of the oldest Christian Church in the world, surely he is in a better place than anyone else to say who is a Christian and who isn't. Obviously a lot of people won't agree with him but I don't see why it's that controversial for a religious leader to comment on someone's religion

[Kizzy]

The Pope is the leader of the oldest Christian Church in the world, surely he is in a better place than anyone else to say who is a Christian and who isn't. Obviously a lot of people won't agree with him but I don't see why it's that controversial for a religious leader to comment on someone's religion

Don't forget there's papal infallibility, he's like me....never wrong :smug:

[DemolitionRed]

The Pope is the leader of the oldest Christian Church in the world, surely he is in a better place than anyone else to say who is a Christian and who isn't. Obviously a lot of people won't agree with him but I don't see why it's that controversial for a religious leader to comment on someone's religion

I agree.

[Ammi]

The Pope is the leader of the oldest Christian Church in the world, surely he is in a better place than anyone else to say who is a Christian and who isn't. Obviously a lot of people won't agree with him but I don't see why it's that controversial for a religious leader to comment on someone's religion

..he wasn't really saying who was a Christian though, it was a general thing of defining what he thinks is Christian, so saying that a Christian, as in any Christian as he saw it wouldn't be someone who would seek to build walls but someone who would seek to build bridges...and if Trump was seeking to build walls then to him, he wouldn't be a Christian in definition...'a person who only thinks about making walls again and again and not making bridges, isn't a Christian'...and then saying that he wouldn't get mixed up in it though..(that worked out well..)...'I would only say this man is not a Christian if that was what he was' ....


...anyways, Trump is an extreme, isn't he...building walls is an extreme but there has to be a balance to building bridges as well, in that there does have to be things like immigration control, it's just that the Trump immigration control is to say no, go away to all, it seems...quite an 'un-Christian/un-charitable of spirit' thing to do..:laugh:...I do personally find it quite worrying though that the head of the Catholic Church..(in 2016..)...doesn't know these basic things, like you said and is using the word 'if'...and that he has no knowledge of what Trump represents in a country which is so powerful and important in the world...there should not have been an 'if that's what Trump has said'/thing for me at all...and just represents a total detachment to any world realities....


...mind you, walls are a good idea to prevent as many people as possible having to look at Trump's hair, it seems to be getting more and more crazy as time goes along...I'm thinking he could be like Samson and if someone were to pull off his hair-piece, he'd lose his 'power'.../that's what the Pope needs to do to stop those un-Christian walls...

[lostalex]

Trump definitely made the Pope look like a fool about the Pope's comment about building walls. When he tweeted that picture of the YUGE walls around the vatican, i laughed my ass off.

The Pope is an idiot and a hypocrite, and way more of a bigot than Donald Trump.

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[Cherie]

Trump definitely made the Pope look like a fool about the Pope's comment about building walls. When he tweeted that picture of the YUGE walls around the vatican, i laughed my ass off.

The Pope is an idiot and a hypocrite, and way more of a bigot than Donald Trump.

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You do realise the walls have been there forever and you can walk into Vatican City, it's not sealed off to Mexicans or other nationalities :unsure:

[kirklancaster]

And look what happened to him :shocked:

Yeah - A CIA and Mafia alliance assassinated him as retribution for his mobster daddy's treacherous betrayal of the Mob's block votes for his son and The Bay of Pigs' betrayal.

[lostalex]

You do realise the walls have been there forever and you can walk into Vatican City, it's not sealed off to Mexicans or other nationalities :unsure:

hopefully someday America will have a wall just as old. but if we want it to be old, we better start as soon as possible!

Trump's wall wouldn't seal out the Mexicans either, as long as they come legally.

[Cherie]

yes, but if you or I say anything, nobody listens (usually) :laugh:

With power comes responsibility, and its really none of his business as head of the Catholic church

I would have thought it was his business given Mexico is a predominately Catholic country

[bots]

I would have thought it was his business given Mexico is a predominately Catholic country

If a religious leader in this day and age thinks that they can influence the results of a foreign powers democratic election, they better be prepared for fallout and backlash. America, unlike the UK, does not have an allegiance to any faith in its politics so the pope should quite frankly butt out.

[Ammi]

If a religious leader in this day and age thinks that they can influence the results of a foreign powers democratic election, they better be prepared for fallout and backlash. America, unlike the UK, does not have an allegiance to any faith in its politics so the pope should quite frankly butt out.


..he specifically said though that he wasn't getting involved other than to say that a person (any person..).. who only thinks about making walls again and again and not making bridges, isn't a Christian, that wouldn't be a 'Christian philosophy' to do that...and IF that's what Trump was a man like that, then he wouldn't be a Chistian..it seems like a fair comment for any Christian to make ..:laugh:..what's more worrying to me is that he is the head of the Catholic Church and seems unaware of what Trump's views are.../he should have probably just said that he'd take the Fifth Amendment or something and said nothing at all...but then that would have been difficult also with a direct question....

[bots]

..he specifically said though that he wasn't getting involved other than to say that a person (any person..).. who only thinks about making walls again and again and not making bridges, isn't a Christian, that wouldn't be a 'Christian philosophy' to do that...and IF that's what Trump was a man like that, then he wouldn't be a Chistian..it seems like a fair comment for any Christian to make ..:laugh:..what's more worrying to me is that he is the head of the Catholic Church and seems unaware of what Trump's views are.../he should have probably just said that he'd take the Fifth Amendment or something and said nothing at all...but then that would have been difficult also with a direct question....

I am not involved in this thread ..... oh wait :laugh:

[Ammi]

I am not involved in this thread ..... oh wait :laugh:

..haha, I see what you did there..:laugh:...it would be nice to think that he would have taken more of a world interest in important things though, not just a spiritual one...

[Cherie]

If a religious leader in this day and age thinks that they can influence the results of a foreign powers democratic election, they better be prepared for fallout and backlash. America, unlike the UK, does not have an allegiance to any faith in its politics so the pope should quite frankly butt out.

It's the land of the free, including free speech

[angonior]

He so wrong for wanting to build a wall

[JoshBB]

If a religious leader in this day and age thinks that they can influence the results of a foreign powers democratic election, they better be prepared for fallout and backlash. America, unlike the UK, does not have an allegiance to any faith in its politics so the pope should quite frankly butt out.

The republicans & democrats do seem to bring up god and christianity far more than labour & conservatives do here though.. so I'm not sure what this claim is based upon.

[Northern Monkey]

Really.Who gives a **** what the pope thinks.Apart from catholics obviously.Nobody else cares and i can't see his comments actually influencing anything.Abit of a non-story imo.

[kirklancaster]

Really.Who gives a **** what the pope thinks.Apart from catholics obviously.Nobody else cares and i can't see his comments actually influencing anything.Abit of a non-story imo.

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I'd be more impressed if the Pope sold off the billions of pounds worth of works of art and other treasures which they have locked away beneath the Vatican, and emptied the billion or so in their bank accounts, then combined the two collosal amounts to BUY an island for these poor immigrants and develop it for them to have a nice place to live safely.

[DemolitionRed]

If a religious leader in this day and age thinks that they can influence the results of a foreign powers democratic election, they better be prepared for fallout and backlash. America, unlike the UK, does not have an allegiance to any faith in its politics so the pope should quite frankly butt out.

You couldn't be more wrong.

[lostalex]

You couldn't be more wrong.

how do you figure? most christians in America don't even think catholics are "real christians" because they worship false gods (they pray to saints). and our head of state isn't a religious figure, unlike in the UK where the Queen is considered the head of the anglican church AND the head of state.

[Northern Monkey]

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

I'd be more impressed if the Pope sold off the billions of pounds worth of works of art and other treasures which they have locked away beneath the Vatican, and emptied the billion or so in their bank accounts, then combined the two collosal amounts to BUY an island for these poor immigrants and develop it for them to have a nice place to live safely.Yes there will be some right museum pieces under there aswell as evidence of things they probabaly don't want us to see but such an act would be too Christian for even the pope:laugh:
Honestly the papacy is less relevant than it has ever been.It used to have influence over all the kings and queens of the Christian world.Now it does'nt even have influence over its own priests.

[bots]

You couldn't be more wrong.

I beg your pardon? I couldn't be more right actually

[bots]

The republicans & democrats do seem to bring up god and christianity far more than labour & conservatives do here though.. so I'm not sure what this claim is based upon.

In the UK, the state is specifically aligned with the Anglican church, thus the reason why religion is taught in schools.

in the USA, the country is not aligned with any religion, and the teaching of religion is forbidden in schools.

[kirklancaster]

Yes there will be some right museum pieces under there aswell as evidence of things they probabaly don't want us to see but such an act would be too Christian for even the pope:laugh:
Honestly the papacy is less relevant than it has ever been.It used to have influence over all the kings and queens of the Christian world.Now it does'nt even have influence over its own priests.

:laugh: Like a guidance manual on what to do if a priest discovers a group of choirboys or altar boys have formed a secret devil-worshipping circle?

Something entitled: "How To Penetrate Any Choirboy Ring? :hee:

[Kizzy]

:laugh: Like a guidance manual on what to do if a priest discovers a group of choirboys or altar boys have formed a secret devil-worshipping circle?

Something entitled: "How To Penetrate Any Choirboy Ring? :hee:

Looking at the thread you just started I don't find this joke in very good taste.

[Northern Monkey]

:laugh: Like a guidance manual on what to do if a priest discovers a group of choirboys or altar boys have formed a secret devil-worshipping circle?

Something entitled: "How To Penetrate Any Choirboy Ring? :hee:

Oh no.That's bad:laugh:

[Cherie]

:laugh: Like a guidance manual on what to do if a priest discovers a group of choirboys or altar boys have formed a secret devil-worshipping circle?

Something entitled: "How To Penetrate Any Choirboy Ring? :hee:

That's disgusting there are many good priests who do not deserve to be tarnished with the same brush. Like all men aren't automatically kiddie fiddlers :idc:

[lostalex]

That's disgusting there are many good priests who do not deserve to be tarnished with the same brush. Like all men aren't automatically kiddie fiddlers :idc:

The issue isn't whether most priests are child touchers, the issue is that the ones that ARN'T touching kiddies are still covering up for the ones that ARE! that makes them just as bad.

In the same way the getaway driver is just as bad as the bank robber.

[Cherie]

the issue isn't whether most priests are child touchers, the issue is that the ones that ARNT touching kiddies are still covering up for the ones that are! which makes them just as bad. in the same way the getaway driver is just as bad as the bank robber.

That happens, but becoming less common, why don't we say all care workers abuse their charges given SOME carers have been convicted in the past of abuse and others have helped covered it up. Abuse happens in ALL professions and it gets covered up in all professions, the Catholic Church is an easy target.

[lostalex]

That happens, but becoming less common, why don't we say all care workers abuse their charges given SOME carers have been convicted in the past of abuse and others have helped covered it up. Abuse happens in ALL professions and it gets covered up in all professions, the Catholic Church is an easy target.

and all coverups in all professions deserve to be exposed and shamed! How would you feel if you found out your childs teacher was molesting kids in a another country, and instead of facing justic they were just given some counciling and then moved into your neighborhood to start again? never brought to justice, never forced to receive any medical therapy for their affliction, just given a bern lecture and then allowed to teach your children?

Who is truly holding the catholic church accountable? they always find a way around it as a "religious organization" why is no one at high levels being held accountable? and how can they get away with covering up probably the most despicable crime of them all, child rape???

It's been documented time and time again that the Catholic church knew what was going on, but instead of turning the molestor to the local police, they moved them to a new country to do it again!

A priest in America gets caught raping children in Boston, what does the Catholic church do? they move that priest to a South American church to continue raping children.

There is NO EXCUSE.

[Kizzy]

That happens, but becoming less common, why don't we say all care workers abuse their charges given SOME carers have been convicted in the past of abuse and others have helped covered it up. Abuse happens in ALL professions and it gets covered up in all professions, the Catholic Church is an easy target.

Becoming less common, how could that ever be known how common it is/was?
The catholic church is an easy target due to the victims experiences, over time the sheer numbers are too great to be taken as an anomaly.

[Cherie]

and all coverups in all professions deserve to be exposed and shamed! How would you feel if you found out your childs teacher was molesting kids in a another country, and instead of facing justic they were just given some counciling and then moved into your neighborhood to start again? never brought to justice, never forced to receive any medical therapy for their affliction, just given a bern lecture and then allowed to teach your children?

Who is truly holding the catholic church accountable? they always find a way around it as a "religious organization" why is no one at high levels being held accountable? and how can they get away with covering up probably the most despicable crime of them all, child rape???

It's been documented time and time again that the Catholic church knew what was going on, but instead of turning the molestor to the local police, they moved them to a new country to do it again!

A priest in America gets caught raping children in Boston, what does the Catholic church do? they move that priest to a South American church to continue raping children.

There is NO EXCUSE.

Who is saying they should be excused? My point is there are a lot of good people who work in the Church who get overlooked and tarnished with the usual choirboy jokes

[lostalex]

Who is saying they should be excused? My point is there are a lot of good people who work in the Church who get overlooked and tarnished with the usual choirboy jokes

Sorry but that's no excuse. A child rapist can cure cancer, but that doesn't make him any less a child rapist.

The Catholic church has still not held any child rapists accountable or any of the authorities within the church accountable for transferring them and covering it up. WHEN IS THE CHURCH GOING TO PUNISH THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR COVING IT UP? it's an institutional problem that still hasn't been addressed.

WHERE ARE THE CONSEQUENCES???

[kirklancaster]

FFS - It was a joke to Paul. Bad taste - yes, but a joke. Chill out.

Of course not all Priests are molesters, like all Muslims are not terrorists, like all Claimants are not Benefit Cheats etc etc. - but this does not preclude jokes being made about those who are, and nor should it.

Most jokes are based on misfortune or are in 'Bad Taste' - do not be so touchy.

[MTVN]

In the UK, the state is specifically aligned with the Anglican church, thus the reason why religion is taught in schools.

in the USA, the country is not aligned with any religion, and the teaching of religion is forbidden in schools.

Yes but surely it can't be denied that religion plays a much bigger part in US politics than in the UK. Ted Cruz in Iowa being a fairly typical example where a hardline Christian wins because of the evangelical vote.

IMO it is our non-separation of Church and State which is responsible for the CoE being a very moderate force these days and our country having a more healthy relationship with Christianity.

[DemolitionRed]

I beg your pardon? I couldn't be more right actually

According to the firsts amendment, American politics are not supposed to have any allegiance with religion but that doesn't mean they don't.

71% of Americans are Christians and that's why politicians frequently discuss religion when campaigning.

[Kizzy]

They just want to get the bible belt on board I thought, like Dave he starts warbling 'Jerusalem' to get all the middle Englanders fired up.