Lily Allen drags James Bay

[Tom4784]

​Lily Allen is not pleased with James Bay implying she's forgettable, and unleashed her wrath by directly comparing him to a bay leaf.

Some background: Bay was asked for his thoughts on Allen's criticism of the Brit Awards and responded by asking when she last released something, saying he can't remember her last album.

The Sheezus singer has now accused him of avoiding the real issue, writing on Twitter: "A fellow named James Bay dodged a question about lack of diversity at the Brits has apparently labeled me entirely forgettable​

"I must admit if not heard of him until I saw my feed this morning, I have now listened to some of his music and seen his hat.​

"he shares a name with the most standard, basic and least flavorsome herb, which I found both fitting and amusing."

Amazing.

So far Bay hasn't defended either himself or the integrity of the bay leaf as an ingredient.

The singer-songwriter is up for four Brit Awards this year and will also perform at the ceremony on Wednesday (February 24).

http://www.digitalspy.com/music/news/a784333/lily-allen-hits-back-at-james-bay-and-says-hes-standard-basic-and-lacking-flavour-like-his-herb-namesake/

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I honestly don't understand why he's a thing, he's just Mr Generic White Guy with a Guiter No.3429329329225532948939.

[Denver]

Not Lily dragging someone a million times more talented then her :fan:

[Firewire]

i screamed at this

[T*]

Lily :clap1:

[Black Dagger]

I died at this, this morning. Her herb comment <333

[Jordan.]

"he shares a name with the most standard, basic and least flavorsome herb, which I found both fitting and amusing."

Screamed

[Pete.]

Lily making me howl :clap1:

[MB.]

And to think I thought he was one of the good ones

Drag his vitamin D-deficient ass Lily :clap2:

[Ammi]

...the bay leaf though..:sad:...

[Ninastar]

whyy do artists have to act like such kids? its so weird, you'd think that with all the money and talent they had, they wouldnt care or respond to someone criticizing them. like seriously grow up

[Ashley.]

I like his music but he's got too cocky.

[Amy Jade]

He's kinda right though, why is she moaning about the Brits? didn't she give up on music again after Sheesuz flopped?

[Lostie!]

whyy do artists have to act like such kids? its so weird, you'd think that with all the money and talent they had, they wouldnt care or respond to someone criticizing them. like seriously grow up

:clap2:

[MB.]

He's kinda right though, why is she moaning about the Brits? didn't she give up on music again after Sheesuz flopped?

Because there's zero diversity

[Jake.]

well he completely contradicted himself by going off topic when that's essentially what he accused her of doing. her point about the brits/the lack of support for black artists was a sound one (besides, his last hit was in what, 2014?)

[Denver]

well he completely contradicted himself by going off topic when that's essentially what he accused her of doing. her point about the brits/the lack of support for black artists was a sound one (besides, his last hit was in what, 2014?)

Has she ever won a Brit? Has she ever performed at the Grammy's? :hee:

[Samm]

The bay leaf drag has ended me

[Pete.]

Has she ever won a Brit? Has she ever performed at the Grammy's? :hee:
I swear she won a Brit 5 years ago

[Denver]

Because there's zero diversity

You can't just nominate someone on their skin colour :shrug:

[Samm]

Has she ever won a Brit? Has she ever performed at the Grammy's? :hee:

Yes she has won a brit and you don't have to perform at grammy's to be made a success :hee:

[Jake.]

Has she ever won a Brit? Has she ever performed at the Grammy's? :hee:

Literally has got nothing to do with the post I made so no idea why you've quoted me but yeah, I don't know/I don't care. She was originally sticking up for black musicians, not moaning because she doesn't have a brit.

[MB.]

Has she ever won a Brit? Has she ever performed at the Grammy's? :hee:

Yes, she won Best British Female in 2010 and was nominated for a Grammy in 2008

[Pete.]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01652/allen460_1652662c.jpg

[Denver]

Literally has got nothing to do with the post I made so no idea why you've quoted me but yeah, I don't know/I don't care. She was originally sticking up for black musicians, not moaning because she doesn't have a brit.

You said he hasn't had a hit in 2 years but she hardly selling millions

[Jake.]

You said he hasn't had a hit in 2 years but she hardly selling millions

you need to learn how the business works, really

not even learn, just read up on it a little bit

[EspeonBB]

Not the bay leaf drag :laugh:

[Mokka]

...the bay leaf though..:sad:...

I dare Lily Allen to try to make a great soup, stew or slow cooker roast without the mighty Bay leaf :fist:

[Denver]

you need to learn how the business works, really

not even learn, just read up on it a little bit

She retires every time her album flops simple as

[Jake.]

She retires every time her album flops simple as

nah, she retired once. back in 2009. after her album was the 9th best selling of the year/sold 3 million copies. again, research. simple as.

[Samm]

She retires every time her album flops simple as

She left music shortly after having kids after an album that sold over 2 millions copies and is 3x platinum and she hasn't 'retired' now she's working on new music as we speak

[Denver]

nah, she retired once. back in 2009. after her album was the 9th best selling of the year/sold 3 million copies. again, research. simple as.

Why would I want to research a attention seeking talentless slouth

[Jake.]

Why would I want to research a attention seeking talentless slouth

Well you seem to want to talk about her a hell of an awful lot, so it'd probably help if some of it wasn't complete fiction?

[Samm]

Why would I want to research a attention seeking talentless slouth

So an artist that likes to voice there opinion unlike other artists who keep a tight lip is now called attention seeking :shrug:

[Ammi]

I dare Lily Allen to try to make a great soup, stew or slow cooker roast without the mighty Bay leaf :fist:

...haha..(..ain't nobody got thyme for bay leaf hate../ouchhh..)...

[MB.]

Ammi marry me

[Denver]

So an artist that likes to voice there opinion unlike other artists who keep a tight lip is now called attention seeking :shrug:

She couldn't care less about them she wants attention.

It's not the Brits fault it's the artists/their fans for not caring about their career.

You earn award nominations on merit not your skin colour

[Ninastar]

Ammi marry me
****ing get in line bitch

[Amy Jade]

So an artist that likes to voice there opinion unlike other artists who keep a tight lip is now called attention seeking :shrug:

Let's be honest...Lily can be scathing, she doesn't just voice her opinion she's attacked people for nothing before now.

Is her Brits comment just her slagging something off yet again and using something in the press to get herself some press?

[Jake.]

Let's be honest...Lily can be scathing, she doesn't just voice her opinion she's attacked people for nothing before now.

Is her Brits comment just her slagging something off yet again and using something in the press to get herself some press?

did you read her brits comment? the one which this is all over?

[Crimson Dynamo]

lily for CBB

[Amy Jade]

did you read her brits comment? the one which this is all over?

Yes. I hadn't because she's off my radar until she releases music but after seeing this topic I did my research and I half agree and half disagree.

Which artists does she think deserve nomination and who over is something I would like to ask.

[Amy Jade]

Also didn't Lily sort of void her own thoughts with the try-hard comment 'I've never heard of him'?

[Jake.]

Yes. I hadn't because she's off my radar until she releases music but after seeing this topic I did my research and I half agree and half disagree.

Which artists does she think deserve nomination and who over is something I would like to ask.

Nobody in particular, she slammed the process as a whole for ignoring black british artists. Given the year it has been for the (re)breakthrough of grime, she's hardly wrong.

[Denver]

Nobody in particular, she slammed the process as a whole for ignoring black british artists. Given the year it has been for the (re)breakthrough of grime, she's hardly wrong.

Grime has never been recognised at the Brits :shrug: they aim for mainstream music and it won't change

[MB.]

Grime has never been recognised at the Brits :shrug: they aim for mainstream music and it won't change

I mean in the last few months alone Stormzy's latest single went top 10 and Krept & Konan's album got to #2

[Denver]

I mean in the last few months alone Stormzy's latest single went top 10 and Krept & Konan's album got to #2

Compared to the other artists who are up? That's nothing

[Jake.]

Grime has never been recognised at the Brits :shrug: they aim for mainstream music and it won't change

well given how grime has kinda gone mainstream that was kind of my point but yeah

[Mystic Mock]

:clap1:

I honestly don't understand why he's a thing, he's just Mr Generic White Guy with a Guiter No.3429329329225532948939.

Why is it such a negative thing to play a Guitar?:laugh:

But I agree that out of all the Indie/Folk singers that we've got around at the minute I truly do not understand why his one of the biggest.

[Amy Jade]

Nobody in particular, she slammed the process as a whole for ignoring black british artists. Given the year it has been for the (re)breakthrough of grime, she's hardly wrong.

Hasn't the Brits always been a bit more mainstream?

Honestly it comes across as her just moaning in general, if the MOBOS ignored Grime I would see the point.

[Jake.]

Compared to the other artists who are up? That's nothing

I mean yeah #2 is nothing compared to #1, so far apart

[MB.]

Compared to the other artists who are up? That's nothing

Compared to, say, Eagles of Death Metal who've never had a UK top 40 single and Amy Winehouse, who's been dead for five years?

[Jake.]

Hasn't the Brits always been a bit more mainstream?

Honestly it comes across as her just moaning in general, if the MOBOS ignored Grime I would see the point.

but grime has hit mainstream the past year, that's exactly the point because it's still going unrecognised in favour of people with guitars who make for perfect BBC Radio 1 fodder.

[Amy Jade]

well given how grime has kinda gone mainstream that was kind of my point but yeah

Has it? All I can think of is Stormyz who didn't even perform well in the charts.

[Jake.]

Compared to, say, Eagles of Death Metal who've never had a UK top 40 single and Amy Winehouse, who's been dead for five years?

lmao :joker:

[Denver]

I mean yeah #2 is nothing compared to #1, so far apart

What do you want them to do? That song has reached #1 but it's their only song to chart this year but we best include them because of their skin colour so people don't go mad and forget about that one who has had 3 top tens and a hit album

[MB.]

Has it? All I can think of is Stormyz who didn't even perform well in the charts.

Well yes he did because he got to #8 in the week of the Christmas number one race

[Denver]

Compared to, say, Eagles of Death Metal who've never had a UK top 40 single and Amy Winehouse, who's been dead for five years?

Eagles of Death Metal was a stupid decision because of what happened and Amy Winehouse had a film about her and I'm sure a #1 album

[Jake.]

What do you want them to do? That song has reached #1 but it's their only song to chart this year but we best include them because of their skin colour so people don't go mad and forget about that one who has had 3 top tens and a hit album

unlike James Bay who didn't have a top fourty single last year :think:

[Denver]

Well yes he did because he got to #8 in the week of the Christmas number one race

#8 for 1 week then dropped massively the next :umm2:

[Mystic Mock]

but grime has hit mainstream the past year, that's exactly the point because it's still going unrecognised in favour of people with guitars who make for perfect BBC Radio 1 fodder.

The only Grime Music that will ever get recognised by The Grammys are the more Popped up songs, hence why out of the Indie/Folk genre James Bay and Ed Sheeran have been so successful because they're essentially Pop Music with a fusion of Indie/Folk.

[Denver]

unlike James Bay who didn't have a top fourty single last year :think:

He had a hit album

[Mystic Mock]

Compared to, say, Eagles of Death Metal who've never had a UK top 40 single and Amy Winehouse, who's been dead for five years?

Wow! they sound great on paper.:amazed:

[Jake.]

He had a bit album

What do you want them to do? That song has reached #1 but it's their only song to chart this year but we best include them because of their skin colour so people don't go mad and forget about that one who has had 3 top tens and a hit album

which opinion are you going with? that nominees for the brits are nominated on success or talent, because your views are kinda conflicting

[Denver]

which opinion are you going with? that nominees for the brits are nominated on success or talent, because your views are kinda conflicting

You need both and clearly his fans think he is talented

[MB.]

#8 for 1 week then dropped massively the next :umm2:

Actually the week afterwards he stayed at #9 and is still in the top 40 to this day (two months later) but sure, make completely unsubstantiated claims to further your completely unsubstantiated argument

[Mystic Mock]

You need both and clearly his fans think he is talented

I doubt that the public judge on talent when you've got Zayn Malik, Justin Bieber, and Shawn Mendes dominating the UK Charts.

[Jake.]

You need both and clearly his fans think he is talented

completely irrelevant lmao yeah I think we're done here

[Amy Jade]

but grime has hit mainstream the past year, that's exactly the point because it's still going unrecognised in favour of people with guitars who make for perfect BBC Radio 1 fodder.

I don't listen to radio 1, I do scan the top 40 on Spotify though and as I mentioned I can only recall Stormyz and didn't it not even scrape the top 10?

I'm not trying to be difficult here but why should artists be excluded from nominee short lists in favour of less successful acts just to add diversity?

[Tom4784]

Go to any high street in the UK, pick up a rock and throw it and you'll hit a busker that is as good or better than him. He's just a busker with a record contract and he isn't worthy of any accolades when he's basically an Aldi brand version of Ed Sheeran and we don't need him, never mind his bargain bin clones.

Say what you will about Lily but her music is certainly more memorable and interesting. James Bay is just a one hit wonder who's only gotten as far as he has because the public seem to be obsessed with boring af white guys with guitars and no sense of individuality and a uniform approach to music.

[Amy Jade]

Urghhh do we really have to argue? is it too much to ask we just have a conversation with no petty sarcasm?

[Denver]

Go to any high street in the UK, pick up a rock and throw it and you'll hit a busker that is as good or better than him. He's just a busker with a record contract and he isn't worthy of any accolades when he's basically an Aldi brand version of Ed Sheeran and we don't need him, never mind his bargain bin clones.

Say what you will about Lily but her music is certainly more memorable and interesting. James Bay is just a one hit wonder who's only gotten as far as he has because the public seem to be obsessed with boring af white guys with guitars and no sense of individuality and a uniform approach to music.
He is something that's very rare in British music and that's song writers.

Most of the trash who make the charts these days wouldn't even know how to write a letter let alone a song

[Shaun]

If it means not acknowledging the likes of 'Skepta' and 'Stormzy' as musical excellence then I am quite happy to go along with them if they're being called racist tbh.

But yes her drags are excellent and deserved. What is he.

[Amy Jade]

I'm glad Flashlight has a nomination though!

[Tom4784]

Your done because you know you have nothing else to add to your baiting

Were the following posts not your first two posts in this thread? The first one was to get a reaction out of me and then your second post was meant to get a reaction out of Jake. I wouldn't really accuse anyone of something you're guilty of doing yourself.

Not Lily dragging someone a million times more talented then her :fan:

Has she ever won a Brit? Has she ever performed at the Grammy's? :hee:

[Jake.]

Your the one saying he doesn't deserve his nomination and it should go to someone who isn't white actually I'm surprised you haven't suggested Lily should be nominated

quote me where I said he doesn't deserve to be nominated.

[Mystic Mock]

Go to any high street in the UK, pick up a rock and throw it and you'll hit a busker that is as good or better than him. He's just a busker with a record contract and he isn't worthy of any accolades when he's basically an Aldi brand version of Ed Sheeran and we don't need him, never mind his bargain bin clones.

Say what you will about Lily but her music is certainly more memorable and interesting. James Bay is just a one hit wonder who's only gotten as far as he has because the public seem to be obsessed with boring af white guys with guitars and no sense of individuality and a uniform approach to music.

But Lily Allen is just a White Girl With A Guitar?

I agree with you on James Bay being dull, but tbf so is Lily Allen imo who often also talk sings as I like to call it.

And out of interest are you against any white male playing the Guitar? I'm only interested because I know that some people have a weird issue with it even if the act is decent.

[Jake.]

it's annoying as well because it's actually a topic that I really enjoy discussing but it's impossible with the constant "the boy who cried wolf" routine

[MB.]

Adam, if you knew a little about the Brits, you'd know that Lily wouldn't have been eligible in the first place since she hasn't had a top 40 album in the past year (and I don't see why she would have, considering she hasn't released one)

But Lily Allen is just a White Girl With A Guitar

...she doesn't play the guitar in her songs

[RichardG]

Why haven't BTS been nominated for best international group that's what I want to know :fist:

[Samm]

Your the one saying he doesn't deserve his nomination and it should go to someone who isn't white actually I'm surprised you haven't suggested Lily should be nominated

Why should lily be nominated she didn't release any new music in 2015

[Tom4784]

He is something that's very rare in British music and that's song writers.

Most of the trash who make the charts these days wouldn't even know how to write a letter let alone a song

RARE?! Are you serious?

You can't swing Ellie Goulding in a Record Company lobby without hitting a multitude of Singer Songwriters. EVERY year there's some boring man with a guitar nominated that's just the same as the boring man with a guitar that was nominated the year before.

James Bay is generic and uninteresting, he is the definition of a cookie cutter artist.

[Mystic Mock]

Adam, if you knew a little about the Brits, you'd know that Lily wouldn't have been eligible in the first place since she hasn't had a top 40 album in the past year (and I don't see why she would have, considering she hasn't released one)



...she doesn't play the guitar in her songs

On the rare occasions that I've seen her live performances she has an Acoustic Guitar like James Bay often does.

[Denver]

RARE?! Are you serious?

You can't swing Ellie Goulding in a Record Company lobby without hitting a multitude of Singer Songwriters. EVERY year there's some boring man with a guitar nominated that's just the same as the boring man with a guitar that was nominated the year before.

James Bay is generic and uninteresting, he is the definition of a cookie cutter artist.

The amount of artists who don't write their own songs out weighs those who do by a large amount

[MB.]

Of course, this is all heavily ironic considering boybands such as HomeTown would struggle writing their own names, never mind a song

[MB.]

(or, y'know, One Direction or anybody else nominated of that ilk)

[Samm]

On the rare occasions that I've seen her live performances she has an Acoustic Guitar like James Bay often does.

Which performances? I've never seen her play a guitar, do you mean a male/female playing a guitar in the background? I wouldn't call that the same

[Jake.]

But Lily Allen is just a White Girl With A Guitar?

I agree with you on James Bay being dull, but tbf so is Lily Allen imo who often also talk sings as I like to call it.

And out of interest are you against any white male playing the Guitar? I'm only interested because I know that some people have a weird issue with it even if the act is decent.

well I'm pretty sure she doesn't play the guitar in any of her songs but yeah that's besides the point. it's not really about "who's more boring?", it's about the lack of knowledge for diverse artists The Brits carries, and James Bay completely ignored the question and went for a cheap snipe because he's nominated himself

[Tom4784]

The amount of artists who don't write their own songs out weighs those who do by a large amount

Where's the proof of your claim? Go on. Show me.

[Samm]

The amount of artists who don't write their own songs out weighs those who do by a large amount

Lily writes her own music, if that's the point you're trying to get at

[MB.]

Even if Lily did play the guitar (which... she doesn't), there literally aren't any other women for her to compete with in that market? Yet if you look at the men, you've got James Bay, Ed Sheeran, Jack Garratt, Passenger, Hozier, Jamie Lawson... and that's before you've even left the UK and Ireland/got onto bands

[Black Dagger]

Is Passenger still a thing?

[Jake.]

Is Passenger still a thing?

nope, thank christ

[MB.]

(not forgetting George Ezra, Jake Bugg, Damien Rice, Tom Odell, Ben Howard...)

[Mystic Mock]

Which performances? I've never seen her play a guitar, do you mean a male/female playing a guitar in the background? I wouldn't call that the same

True that a lot of her performances that I've seen are getting helped from background Music with Guitar playing.

Out of interest as I've had nobody answer me yet on it, are some of you just against Guitar players? Because I really like a J-Rock Group called Ling Tosite Sigure, and I'm thinking that if by some weird reality that they did win Best International Act at The Grammys would people just call the lead singer an AGWG? Because I've even seen people like Hozier and George Ezra (who I happen to class as decent) get called boring and WGWG in a negative way just because they dare to play the Guitar.

[Tom4784]

nope, thank christ

Just goes to show that these acts are as manufactored as your typical X Factor winner, they get dropped after one album to make room for the next generic man with a guitar.

[RichardG]

Is the point that people just don't like guitars or is it that people don't like the boring generic "indie" songs that they play with it

Because I thought it was the latter

[Jake.]

True that a lot of her performances that I've seen are getting helped from background Music with Guitar playing.


Yeah that happens with most music artists, background music.. Or are they supposed to humm the song themselves whilst singing? :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Is the point that people just don't like guitars or is it that people don't like the boring generic "indie" songs that they play with it

Because I thought it was the latter

Indie is never generic.:nono::joker:

[MB.]

"White girl with a guitar" =/= "white girl who sat near a guitar once"

[Jake.]

Just goes to show that these acts are as manufactored as your typical X Factor winner, they get dropped after one album to make room for the next generic man with a guitar.

exactly, as I said before it's all generic, BBC Sound of The Year-type crap

[Mystic Mock]

"White girl with a guitar" =/= "white girl who sat near a guitar once"

There are White Girls With a Guitar out there.

They're normally in Rock Bands though like PVRIS.

[Denver]

Also shouldnt the likes of Little Mix be recognised more after proving time after time they are talented and have had hits all over the world? They are the ones who have missed out the most

[Tom4784]

Is the point that people just don't like guitars or is it that people don't like the boring generic "indie" songs that they play with it

Because I thought it was the latter

I like indie music but artists like James Bay aren't indie, they're pop artists masquerading as indie hipsters whose careers have a shorter shelf life than a carton of milk.

[MB.]

There are White Girls With a Guitar out there.

They're normally in Rock Bands though like PVRIS.

And Lily Allen isn't one of them

[Jake.]

I like indie music but artists like James Bay aren't indie, they're pop artists masquerading as indie hipsters whose careers have a shorter shelf life than a carton of milk.

aka jake bugg

[Mystic Mock]

Also shouldnt the likes of Little Mix be recognised more after proving time after time they are talented and have had hits all over the world? They are the ones who have missed out the most

If Little Mix won a Grammy for talent then I'm gonna have to.

4y4wRreMPco

[RichardG]

I like indie music but artists like James Bay aren't indie, they're pop artists masquerading as indie hipsters whose careers have a shorter shelf life than a carton of milk.

Yeah that's what I meant with indie being in quotation marks haha

For a second I thought people just really hated guitars

[MB.]

Also shouldnt the likes of Little Mix be recognised more after proving time after time they are talented and have had hits all over the world? They are the ones who have missed out the most

You mean the same Little Mix who are nominated for two awards at the Brits?

[Jake.]

(and yeah I love indie music but you know, decent indie music)

[Denver]

If Little Mix won a Grammy for talent then I'm gonna have to.

4y4wRreMPco

But they are talented :shrug: they are great singers and performers

[Shaun]

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/CBB_Tina_Malone_angry_431x300.jpg

IF CARLY RAE JEPSEN ISN'T EVEN NOMINATED FOR BEST INTERNATIONAL FEMALE THEN FOOK THE FOOKIN' BRITS

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[Denver]

You mean the same Little Mix who are nominated for two awards at the Brits?

2 awards nobody cares about? They have been shunned from Best Group, Best Single and Best Album in which they should have been nominated

[Mystic Mock]

(and yeah I love indie music but you know, decent indie music)

I wish other people thought like you and Dezzy though Jake.

I swear there are some people out there who want anything remotely Rock, Indie, or Folk to be either James Bay'd (Popped up to the max) or completely destroyed altogether.:bawling:

[Amy Jade]

2 awards nobody cares about? They have been shunned from Best Group, Best Single and Best Album in which they should have been nominated

Are they not up for Best Single? wtf Black Magic deserves to be there it was one of the best singles last year

[Black Dagger]

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/CBB_Tina_Malone_angry_431x300.jpg

IF CARLY RAE JEPSEN ISN'T EVEN NOMINATED FOR BEST INTERNATIONAL FEMALE THEN FOOK THE FOOKIN' BRITS

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tbh

[Denver]

Are they not up for Best Single? wtf Black Magic deserves to be there it was one of the best singles last year

I think it's like best video and something else they should defo be in best group

[MB.]

Are they not up for Best Single? wtf Black Magic deserves to be there it was one of the best singles last year

They're up for Best Single, yes

[RichardG]

I wish other people thought like you and Dezzy though Jake.

I swear there are some people out there who want anything remotely Rock, Indie, or Folk to be either James Bay'd (Popped up to the max) or completely destroyed altogether.:bawling:

Hardcore rockers Babymetal will live on past the hate don't worry :clap1:

[Mystic Mock]

But they are talented :shrug: they are great singers and performers

I actually like the song in a guilty pleasure sort of way, but imo the only one that can sing is the one playing the Guitar, the others are just being treated like pieces of meat.

[Tom4784]

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/CBB_Tina_Malone_angry_431x300.jpg

IF CARLY RAE JEPSEN ISN'T EVEN NOMINATED FOR BEST INTERNATIONAL FEMALE THEN FOOK THE FOOKIN' BRITS

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Pretty much.

[Mystic Mock]

Hardcore rockers Babymetal will live on past the hate don't worry :clap1:

Babymetal.:joker:

[Amy Jade]

Little Mix should be up for Best Group though, why are 1D nominated? they lost a bloody member! :fist:

Carly and Rachel Platten should be up for international female

[RichardG]

Babymetal.:joker:

Classic heavy metal band, saving real music :clap1:

[Denver]

Little Mix should be up for Best Group though, why are 1D nominated? they lost a bloody member! :fist:

Carly and Rachel Platten should be up for international female

They are desperate for 1D success remember when they invented awards just for them?

[Amy Jade]

Anyways back to the topic, I won't slag off Lily Allen but I'd be interested for her to delve a bit deeper and name those she feels SHOULD be nominated and who is less deserving of the short listed and should not be nominated

[Mystic Mock]

Classic heavy metal band, saving real music :clap1:

I've only listened to their Gimme Chocolate so far and it was funny tbf.

[MB.]

Anyways back to the topic, I won't slag off Lily Allen but I'd be interested for her to delve a bit deeper and name those she feels SHOULD be nominated and who is less deserving of the short listed and should not be nominated

She did, she named Stormzy and Skepta to name but a few

[MB.]

(and I'm fairly sure she didn't name any names as to who shouldn't have been nominated until James Bay butted his greasy-haired head in)

[Amy Jade]

She did, she named Stormzy and Skepta to name but a few

Stormyz over who though? why are they more deserving than those nominated?

[Mystic Mock]

She did, she named Stormzy and Skepta to name but a few

Yeah but who would she take out for them though? James Bay and who else?

[Shaun]

I don't get those nominees at all.

Ariana Grande I could only understand being nominated if they managed to get her to attend/perform - she had a pretty much silent 2015 except for 'Focus' which was dreadful.
Bjork & Courtney are the token critics' faves but both went by fairly uneventfully / without being recognised, surely if you're going to pick an international female with indie credentials and an excellent 2015 album you'd pick Grimes?
Lana del Rey continues to tread water and do absolutely nothing new or interesting with her career
and then Meghan Bloody Trainor.

Basically I should decide every single nominee and winner. (For the record: Carly Rae Jepsen ends up winning out of Grimes, Sia, Bjork, herself & Alessia Cara. Coldplay sit at home and have some spare time.)

(and again Stormzy and Skepta are absolute wank)

[Mystic Mock]

(and I'm fairly sure she didn't name any names as to who shouldn't have been nominated until James Bay butted his greasy-haired head in)

James Bay needed to Let It Go didn't he?

[MB.]

Stormyz over who though? why are they more deserving than those nominated?

Why should she have to name the people she doesn't think deserve to be nominated? That's literally the thing you just berated her for doing

She doesn't have to say who she doesn't think is worthy to say who she does, she thinks they should be given as fair a chance as everyone else

[MB.]

James Bay needed to Let It Go didn't he?

He also needed to Hold Back the River and... erm... nope, I don't know any other songs of his, let's move on...

[Mystic Mock]

I don't get those nominees at all.

Ariana Grande I could only understand being nominated if they managed to get her to attend/perform - she had a pretty much silent 2015 except for 'Focus' which was dreadful.
Bjork & Courtney are the token critics' faves but both went by fairly uneventfully / without being recognised, surely if you're going to pick an international female with indie credentials and an excellent 2015 album you'd pick Grimes?
Lana del Rey continues to tread water and do absolutely nothing new or interesting with her career
and then Meghan Bloody Trainor.

Basically I should decide every single nominee and winner. (For the record: Carly Rae Jepsen ends up winning out of Grimes, Sia, Bjork, herself & Alessia Cara. Coldplay sit at home and have some spare time.)

(and again Stormzy and Skepta are absolute wank)

Yeah let me decide that category as Coldplay and Sia fight it out.

[Denver]

I don't get those nominees at all.

Ariana Grande I could only understand being nominated if they managed to get her to attend/perform - she had a pretty much silent 2015 except for 'Focus' which was dreadful.
Bjork & Courtney are the token critics' faves but both went by fairly uneventfully / without being recognised, surely if you're going to pick an international female with indie credentials and an excellent 2015 album you'd pick Grimes?
Lana del Rey continues to tread water and do absolutely nothing new or interesting with her career
and then Meghan Bloody Trainor.

Basically I should decide every single nominee and winner. (For the record: Carly Rae Jepsen ends up winning out of Grimes, Sia, Bjork, herself & Alessia Cara. Coldplay sit at home and have some spare time.)

(and again Stormzy and Skepta are absolute wank)

I totally agree with Sia it's been a fantastic 18 months for her and it's sad she misses out on it

[Mystic Mock]

He also needed to Hold Back the River and... erm... nope, I don't know any other songs of his, let's move on...

Them songs leave you with Scars with how terrible they are.

[MB.]

Them songs leave you with Scars with how terrible they are.

You could literally just name any combination of words now and I'd believe you

So much for Lily's songs being the forgettable ones...

[MB.]

I totally agree with Sia it's been a fantastic 18 months for her and it's sad she misses out on it

She had a better year last year, i.e. the year that she was nominated for a Brit Award

[Amy Jade]

Why should she have to name the people she doesn't think deserve to be nominated? That's literally the thing you just berated her for doing

She doesn't have to say who she doesn't think is worthy to say who she does, she thinks they should be given as fair a chance as everyone else

Well if she's willing to pipe up about who should be nominated it's not exactly a stretch to wish her to say who they should be nominated over but apparently she can say what she likes and go unchallenged.

[RichardG]

I've never even heard of James Bay

[Denver]

She had a better year last year, i.e. the year that she was nominated for a Brit Award

But she was still having success after it so I feel she should have been nominated again

[Amy Jade]

I just listened to Skepta and they are indeed utter trash, they don't deserve to be nominated at all!

[MB.]

Well if she's willing to pipe up about who should be nominated it's not exactly a stretch to wish her to say who they should be nominated over but apparently she can say what she likes and go unchallenged.

...five minutes ago you said that she shouldn't do that? Like I said, she's allowed to say that she thinks this kind of music should be given more representation in big award ceremonies like the Brits without slamming other artists

[Mystic Mock]

I just listened to Skepta and they are indeed utter trash, they don't deserve to be nominated at all!

Is Lily Allen being too Skeptacal about The Grammys motives then?

[MB.]

I just listened to Skepta and they are indeed utter trash, they don't deserve to be nominated at all!

Handy that music's subjective then, isn't it

[Amy Jade]

Handy that music's subjective then, isn't it

Thanks for pointing out the obvious?

[Mystic Mock]

Handy that music's subjective then, isn't it

Really? I thought that my opinions on Music was the only correct opinion?:think:

In fact it should hit the history books with my awesome opinions on Music like Jedward, 911, Gunther And The Sunshine Girls, Lou Bega's Mambo Number 5, and of course the vocal masterpiece in It's Chico Time.

[MB.]

Thanks for pointing out the obvious?

If it weren't obvious then you wouldn't feel the need to say that "they" don't deserve to be nominated

[Shaun]

Fuming that Gunther and the Sunshine Girls have been overlooked again.

[MB.]

Fuming that Gunther and the Sunshine Girls have been overlooked again.

Thank god they've got a new grime EP dropping in April

[Mystic Mock]

Fuming that Gunther and the Sunshine Girls have been overlooked again.

I know, I mean The Ding Dong Song was a classic that was completely overlooked.:mad:

[Denver]

Are we really getting that mad when N-Dubz was never nominated

[Mystic Mock]

Are we really getting that mad when N-Dubz was never nominated

Well Dappy had No Regrets about it.

[Amy Jade]

If it weren't obvious then you wouldn't feel the need to say that "they" don't deserve to be nominated

So i'm not allowed an opinion now? I am aware it's just a single male singing but of course you nit pick yet again.

It's funny how you'll fight for subjectivity until it conflicts with what you like isn't it? :laugh:

[Ross.]

Can someone quickly explain why there's 7 pages on this so I don't need to read it all

[Shaun]

because Adam

[Denver]

because Adam

I have hardly commented :nono:

[Mystic Mock]

because Adam

Had Scars In His Ass.

[Amy Jade]

Can someone quickly explain why there's 7 pages on this so I don't need to read it all

It's not even worth reading tbh

Lily dragged James
conflict
conflict
conflict
Carly and Sia fans
Lily shouldn't explain herself apparently
Nit picking

The End

[MB.]

So i'm not allowed an opinion now? I am aware it's just a single male singing but of course you nit pick yet again.

It's funny how you'll fight for subjectivity until it conflicts with what you like isn't it? :laugh:

...no? Because the industry professionals who decide the nominations for the BRITS will obviously have varying opinions and the point that Lily is making a case for is that the entire genre is being overlooked regardless of quality, there's nothing personal about that whatsoever

[Ross.]

because Adam

I should've known

[Amy Jade]

...no? Because the industry professionals who decide the nominations for the BRITS will obviously have varying opinions and the point that Lily is making a case for is that the entire genre is being overlooked regardless of quality, there's nothing personal about that whatsoever
Perhaps they're being overlooked because they're ****.

[MB.]

Perhaps they're being overlooked because they're ****.

Or perhaps they're not and, as Lily says, there's a certain type of voter for these award ceremonies that are so directly focused on the specific channel of mainstream target audience that they aim after that they're scared to stray from that? It's no secret that awards show voters don't represent a particularly wide array of genres (be it in music, films, etc), hence the demand to release the BRITS demographics

(I'm glad you went a post without reminding me that you dislike me by the way, that'll knock a few off your word count)

[MB.]

If they thought grime music was as **** as you've told us multiple times that you think it is, I doubt they'd have given the genre a whole slot at last year's ceremony... almost as if that's a consolation prize for the fact that they know they're on a dangerous path if they dare to recognise it critically

[Mystic Mock]

As I've said earlier on in the thread, hardcore Grime will never make any of these mainstream awards ceremonies because you have to be Pop to make these lists, no matter how good the Grime song is or isn't.

Plus I know it's gonna annoy some people, but a lot of Grime Singers are black and they are gonna be more overlooked than a bunch of White Model types singing Pop songs.

[MB.]

As I've said earlier on in the thread, hardcore Grime will never make any of these mainstream awards ceremonies because you have to be Pop to make these lists, no matter how good the Grime song is or isn't.

Plus I know it's gonna annoy some people, but a lot of Grime Singers are black and they are gonna be more overlooked than a bunch of White Model types singing Pop songs.

A point illustrated beautifully by 1989 winning "best album" over To Pimp a Butterfly at the Grammys

(not to shade 1989, but come on...)

[MB.]

(that example being more of a hip-hop one, but we're on the topic of diversity and if the glove fits)

[Ross.]

Don't shade the audio bible 1989 love yourself MB

[MB.]

Kendrick Lamar would never associate himself with something like Bad Blood

No wait hang on

[Amy Jade]

Or perhaps they're not and, as Lily says, there's a certain type of voter for these award ceremonies that are so directly focused on the specific channel of mainstream target audience that they aim after that they're scared to stray from that? It's no secret that awards show voters don't represent a particularly wide array of genres (be it in music, films, etc), hence the demand to release the BRITS demographics

(I'm glad you went a post without reminding me that you dislike me by the way, that'll knock a few off your word count)
You like it and I don't. The BRIT judges agree with me more than you apparently. Maybe they will be more successful elsewhere.

'Handy that music's subjective then, isn't it'

[MB.]

I never said I liked it, I'm just trying to see things from both sides of the argument

[EspeonBB]

Do I sense Taylor shade :suspect:

[MB.]

P.s. Amy, you seemingly thinking that they wouldn't be deserving of an award simply because you're not a fan proves my point entirely :thumbs: Night

[Ross.]

Do I sense Taylor shade :suspect:

Drag MB to the pits!

[Amy Jade]

P.s. Amy, you seemingly thinking that they wouldn't be deserving of an award simply because you're not a fan proves my point entirely :thumbs: Night

In my opinion they don't deserve one no, again why am I not allowed an opinion?

If others did/do then that is fine but I don't.

You're not even really making a point that hasn't already been made without sarcastic undertones either so why you're bothering over it baffles me haha

[reece(:]

Let grime live!

[MB.]

In my opinion they don't deserve one no, again why am I not allowed an opinion?

If others did/do then that is fine but I don't.

You're not even really making a point that hasn't already been made without sarcastic undertones either so why you're bothering over it baffles me haha

I could certainly say the same for you so any attempt from any of us to get the moral high ground in a debate about Lily Allen is in vain

Nobody ever said you weren't allowed an opinion, but what Lily said (i.e. what this thread's supposed to be about) is a highly valid point about - a lack of acknowledgment for - diversity in the music industry and for you to just dismiss it as '**** music' and nothing more smacks of ignorance to me

[MB.]

And if you're taking issue with me being sarcastic then I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree, since I can't name a single occasion in which I haven't been - feel free to put me on ignore and move on on that one :)

[Firewire]

keep lying

[Amy Jade]

Can you stop manipulating what I say to try and gain some sort of moral high ground?

I didn't say all grime music was **** just the ones Lily Allen mentioned, as you said I am entitled to think so :hee:

[Jamie89]

Can someone quickly explain why there's 7 pages on this so I don't need to read it all

I was just thinking exactly the same thing :joker:

I'm bored, but not bored enough to read 7 pages about Lily Allen throwing shade at a leaf or whatever it is idk :idc:

[Firewire]

Let's end this now

Grime is trash and that's pretty much it

But also Lily Allen is on point and James Bay has no talent and deserves to be criticised

And that's all we need to know for this to move on

[Amy Jade]

Grime is trash and that's pretty much it
But what about diversity? where is your diversity Jonathan?

[MB.]

Can you stop manipulating what I say to try and gain some sort of moral high ground?

I didn't say all grime music was **** just the ones Lily Allen mentioned, as you said I am entitled to think so :hee:

I did just say a minute ago that it's pointless for anyone of us to even claim we're trying to take the moral high ground but ok :laugh: From what you posted, I didn't see any suggestion that you listened to other grime artists but I didn't see any sort of suggestion that you hadn't made your mind up on the genre as a whole from that - since Lily specifically named Skepta and Stormzy, I think it'd be an easy mistake to make to assume you'd take those particular artists as representative of the genre (since, well, they kinda are)

For somebody who doesn't like my sarcastic tone you've got quite the strong one yourself

[Drew.]

Let's end this now

Grime is trash and that's pretty much it

But also Lily Allen is on point and James Bay has no talent and deserves to be criticised

And that's all we need to know for this to move on

**** off Jonathan

[Drew.]

7 more pages of debate coming up now

[reece(:]

Skepta slays your faves tho

Lethal Bizzle > Stormzy tho

[MB.]

But what about diversity? where is your diversity Jonathan?

If you want to talk about manipulation of words... the whole argument from Lily's perspective is about diversity in terms of race and she strongly associates that with the grime movement. We all know from hearing the slightest bit of news about the topic that a lack of diversity in the awards industry is prevalent at the minute so, as I said, to ignore that and joke about it seems a bit ignorant to me?

[MB.]

(I can debate my socks off all night, don't worry bout me)

[Firewire]

But what about diversity? where is your diversity Jonathan?

I like Beyoncé and Whitney and stuff

Idk the ins and outs of it but there's more to Black music than grime and the BRITs has always been sort of Pro-White

**** off Jonathan

No you **** off Drew

[Kizzy]

I like political Lily, come back political Lily! :fist:

[Firewire]

Also I told you both to end this now and you just ignored me

[MB.]

Also I told you both to end this now and you just ignored me

Sorry broski

[Tom4784]

Stop being ungodly messes.

[Firewire]

I said grime was trash but I haven't actually listened to any so

[Drew.]

No you **** off Drew

http://grmdaily.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/11004929/JME.jpeg

[reece(:]

MOBOs celebrate grime tho?

[Firewire]

http://grmdaily.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/11004929/JME.jpeg

This isn't meet the members?

[MB.]

MOBOs celebrate grime tho?

By giving their major awards to the likes of Sam Smith and Ed Sheeran

[Amy Jade]

I like Beyoncé and Whitney and stuff
:laugh:

[Firewire]

By giving their major awards to the likes of Sam Smith and Ed Sheeran

Pretty much

I mean Ed Sheeran is ginger so he's repressed so is basically black

[reece(:]

By giving their major awards to the likes of Sam Smith and Ed Sheeran
Ed Sheeran never won a MOBO :huh:

[Firewire]

wait I like Lisa Maffia she's a grime artists isn't she

[Firewire]

And Alesha during Mis-teeq

[MB.]

Ed Sheeran never won a MOBO :huh:

True, but he was named as the most powerful figure in urban music by 1Xtra who should be championing, well, urban musicians as a priority

[MB.]

(hence "the likes of")

[Firewire]

I'm beginning to think this isn't about Lily Allen any more

[MB.]

I'm beginning to think this isn't about Lily Allen any more

It's all related to her original point tbh, we just went around the houses to get there

[Drew.]

I'm beginning to think this isn't about Lily Allen any more

you've made it all about yourself

[Firewire]

you've made it all about yourself

Living for the attention though

[Amy Jade]

you've made it all about yourself

:joker:

[MB.]

So back to black people

[RichardG]

I'm so confused

[Locke.]

9 pages later I think it's time for everybody to realize that the Brits are pretty pointless and aren't really worth discussing

[Jamie89]

So back to black people

Classic album imo. When will Lily?

[coffee]

James bay may be more talented but Lily isn't wrong about him being boring. He has no personality at all. ZZZZZZZZZ.

[Ammi]

...but what about the bay leaf though..:sad:..there is a lot of talent in that little leaf...

[Jake.]

"However, Bay's representative has since told WENN that he wasn't trying to dig out Allen with his comments, and that he thinks all genres of music should be celebrated at The Brits.

The statement from the 'Let It Go' star added: “Having been out of the country in Australia and America for the past 3 weeks I was unaware of Lily’s comments about the Brits. I fully support and believe the Brits should represent a diverse spectrum of artists and music.

“I don’t feel negative towards Lily or her music at all. I’d simply been unaware of her most recent release and subsequently someone has been over creative with this whole story.”


yeah so he kinda backtracked

[MB.]

So Lily wins /thread

[Jake.]

"I was unaware of Lily's comments about the Brits"

Couldn't make it up lol