Police deliberately run over dog to prevent an accident

[Cherie]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12171185/Dog-running-loose-on-motorway-deliberately-run-over-and-killed-by-police.html



:sad:

[Denver]

The owner should deliberately run over them

[Ninastar]

I'm on two minds about this... couldnt they get the RSPCA or someone to sedate it? Was there any need to kill it?

And on the other hand, was it not better to give it a quick certain death rather than someone else running it over and it dying slowly/causing someone else to be killed trying to avoid it?

Awful situation either way. I feel like this could have been avoided but I also don't believe that the police were like 'LOL lets just kill it!!!!!' like many people (who i've seen on FB) believe.

[Cherie]

Tough one though I understand that it was 3am so the traffic could have been slowed down and a dog handler called maybe..

[Ammi]

..I read this, this morning..it was only a short article but the police statement is that, any other way/option would have caused a greater danger to lives in other cars.../very sad...

[rubymoo]

Tough one though I understand that it was 3am so the traffic could have been slowed down and a dog handler called maybe..

This is what i think^^^^ surely the traffic wouldn't have been that busy at 3am, i understand that the police officers are also dog owners so it must have been a tough decision for them, i also understand that they did catch the dog but it bit one of the officers and escaped, so so sad :(

[Ammi]

...without actually seeing it, it does look as though they felt it was the only option as they were concerned about harm to human lives...


Despite attempts by the Roads Policing Unit to catch the dog, it continued to run in and out of swerving traffic that was travelling in excess of 70mph on an unlit carriageway.


The incident – which had "potential for a serious collision" happened during the early hours of Monday.


An officer who had tried to take hold of the dog was bitten.

He said: "The only safe option was to run the dog over at sufficient speed to ensure that it was destroyed and would not suffer. Other methods of destruction were considered, but were ruled out on the grounds of public safety."

Mr Wareing said that several attempts were made to catch the dog.

[bots]

I'm not comfortable with it although I understand the reasoning. The choice of language left something to be desired. I find the word "destroyed" completely unnecessary in this context, I wish they didn't use this term at all when referring to the premeditated killing of animals.

[Northern Monkey]

I'd say it was the right decision.An HGV swerving in the dark to avoid it and it biting an officer would have been the deciding factors i would think.A dog running out in front of you at lets be honest at that time 80-100mph is a lethal situation.

[lostalex]

the only people who value animal lives over human lives are despicable people.

they only like animals because they can't talk back, they never challenge them, they are completely dependent. They can't handle relationships where they are actually held to equal standards they prefer animals because they can always feel simultaneously superior and generous for taking care of something inferior to themselves.

[Denver]

the only people who value animal lives over human lives are despicable people.

they only like animals because they can't talk back, they never challenge them, they are completely dependent.

Murder is Murder doesn't matter whether it's a human or a animal but animals can't fight back an animal doesn't get a choice.

[Ammi]

the only people who value animal lives over human lives are despicable people.

they only like animals because they can't talk back, they never challenge them, they are completely dependent.

..I don't think with this that it is a thing of valuing the dog's life over human life, Alex...just whether there had been any other option that to kill it like they did, but it seems impossible to say without having been there and seen any of the situation so I guess it's just one of those things that we assume it to have been their only option...

[T*]

the only people who value animal lives over human lives are despicable people.

they only like animals because they can't talk back, they never challenge them, they are completely dependent. They can't handle relationships where they are actually held to equal standards they prefer animals because they can always feel simultaneously superior and generous for taking care of something inferior to themselves.


Or because animals aren't judgemental *****

[lostalex]

Murder is Murder doesn't matter whether it's a human or a animal but animals can't fight back an animal doesn't get a choice.

animals can't fight back.... what? animals are usually stronger than people and have special powers. they usually have super huge claws and teeth and ****.

[Denver]

animals can't fight back.... what? animals are usually stronger than people and have special powers.

Nothing is stronger then a human

[Vicky.]

Sounds bad, but I really don't see what else could be done. A busy road, they tried apprehending the animal and a officer was bitten...

I do wonder though, what would happen if a civilian just purposely ran over a dog?

[lostalex]

Nothing is stronger then a human

ummm, no, that's not truth. they are usually stronger, and have claws and teeth and poisons and **** to use against us.

[Denver]

ummm, no, that's not truth. they are usually stronger, and have claws and teeth and poisons and **** to use against us.

A human has the ability to use a weapon

[Cherie]

What if it had been a larger animal like a cow? Would they have run that down or slowed down the traffic and put up warnings etc?

[lostalex]

A human has the ability to use a weapon

Animals have built in weapons! They have POISON!

I can't fight an animal! I was raised in the suburbs! stop judging all humans like we are vicious and we all have weapons, wtf are you talking about? I've never killed an animal on purpose.

[lostalex]

What if it had been a larger animal like a cow? Would they have run that down or slowed down the traffic and put up warnings etc?

cows are kept in pens, duh.

[Lostie!]

the only people who value animal lives over human lives are despicable people.

they only like animals because they can't talk back, they never challenge them, they are completely dependent. They can't handle relationships where they are actually held to equal standards they prefer animals because they can always feel simultaneously superior and generous for taking care of something inferior to themselves.

Nice of you to presume you can talk for certain people. Shame you're talking a complete load of nonsense. :)

[lostalex]

Nice of you to presume you can talk for certain people. Shame you're talking a complete load of nonsense. :)

was i talking about you?

did you relate to a lot of what i said?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Police have to make calls like this all the time. Poor dog but understandable

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope it wasn't a black lab or Beyonce will be furious

[Ammi]

What if it had been a larger animal like a cow? Would they have run that down or slowed down the traffic and put up warnings etc?

..it would probably kill them to drive into a cow or larger animal at high speed..(actually driving at the dog was a huge danger as well for them..)...even hitting any animal at a slower speed, could do considerable damage to a vehicle but it could have also caused their car to veer off and them be hurt...

[Northern Monkey]

Some cows weigh as much as a car.It would be an interesting fight.Cow vs car but i think neither would come out of it very well.Airbag would save the driver but the car would be fecked.Imagine making that insurance claim 'I....I....er....I kinda crashed into a....a cow':joker:

[Cherie]

cows are kept in pens, duh.

Have you heard of fields??? I have heard of horses loose on the motorway, they didn't run them down...

[Tom4784]

Sad situation but I understand why they did what they did.

[Cherie]

..it would probably kill them to drive into a cow or larger animal at high speed..(actually driving at the dog was a huge danger as well for them..)...even hitting any animal at a slower speed, could do considerable damage to a vehicle but it could have also caused their car to veer off and them be hurt...

They wouldn't have, they would have dealt with it differently so not sure why there isn't a protocol for handling all animals on roads big or small

[lostalex]

Have you heard of fields??? I have heard of horses loose on the motorway, they didn't run them down...

well horses tend to have more sense. they don't run in front of a car.

and i've never seen a cow run. i'm not sure a cow is even capable of running. they would need some type of bra wouldn't they?

[Tom4784]

I hope it wasn't a black lab or Beyonce will be furious

http://www.empirecinemas.co.uk/_uploads/film_images/1987_1694.jpg

[lostalex]

I hope it wasn't a black lab or Beyonce will be furious

that's racist :nono:

[Niamh.]

well horses tend to have more sense. they don't run in front of a car.

I was driving along the road one time and a horse literally jumped off a ditch in front of my car :o

[lostalex]

I was driving along the road one time and a horse literally jumped off a ditch in front of my car :o

that is shocking. where do you live that there are wild horses?

[Ammi]

They wouldn't have, they would have dealt with it differently so not sure why there isn't a protocol for handling all animals on roads big or small

...maybe because each individual situation has to be assessed and judged on it's own, depending on the specific factors and risks of human safety...?...

[Niamh.]

that is shocking. where do you live that there are wild horses?

They weren't wild horses, they were Travellers horses, they tend to put them in any field they fancy

[Cherie]

...maybe because each individual situation has to be assessed and judged on it's own, depending on the specific factors and risks of human safety...?...

Maybe but it was 3am on an A road in Wales, how busy was it in reality

[Cherie]

well horses tend to have more sense. they don't run in front of a car.

and i've never seen a cow run. i'm not sure a cow is even capable of running. they would need some type of bra wouldn't they?

Cows are deceptively agile, they jump over the moon and everything :hee:

[Northern Monkey]

Cows are big scary motherfeckers.Me and my 4 year old got blocked by a heard of cows and bulls.Fecking huge!The farmer had to come and drive us through the middle of them.Sticking their big heads through his jeep window.:eek:

[smudgie]

Poor dog.

The police may have had no choice, especially if they had already tried to catch it and it was a danger to other traffic.
Isn't it illegal to swerve and miss a dog when driving ( bit off topic maybe).
My main issue with this is why the chuff it is making the news channels when there is so much else to report.

[smudgie]

Cows are deceptively agile, they jump over the moon and everything :hee:

Stop generalising Cherie..you know they only do it when the cat plays the fiddle.:fist:

[Jamie89]

I was driving along the road one time and a horse literally jumped off a ditch in front of my car :o

Similar thing happened to my mum. She was in a traffic jam and a horse was running in between all the cars!

Really sad story though, but it sounds like they tried alternatives. I really don't know what else they could have done :sad:

[Ammi]

Maybe but it was 3am on an A road in Wales, how busy was it in reality

...that's what we don't know though Cherie and why it's hard to comment, the report has said that the dog had already caused cars to swerve and one an HGV, there are large vehicles that drive through the night time and none of them would have been able to see the dog easily...

[Lostie!]

was i talking about you?

did you relate to a lot of what i said?

Not at all, but you don't have to be a genius to see when someone with very little actual knowledge on a subject is attempting (and failing) to dictate why other people (who they have no authority to speak for) act in a particular way.

[Northern Monkey]

well horses tend to have more sense. they don't run in front of a car.

and i've never seen a cow run. i'm not sure a cow is even capable of running. they would need some type of bra wouldn't they?Like this?
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a640/eyeball96/Mobile%20Uploads/3C9DEB18-E5C3-4BE5-89DB-8B843B6EAB9D_zpsskd7zdyc.jpg (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/eyeball96/media/Mobile%20Uploads/3C9DEB18-E5C3-4BE5-89DB-8B843B6EAB9D_zpsskd7zdyc.jpg.html)

[Kazanne]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12171185/Dog-running-loose-on-motorway-deliberately-run-over-and-killed-by-police.html



:sad:

I read about this earlier Cherie,it made me really sad when it was deemed the only way they could deal with it was to run it over and kill it,I really don't know how I feel now,no one wants an accident but what if it had not been a dog and something much bigger,would they have done the same:shrug: I feel killing it a bit extreme.:bawling:

[Cherie]

Like this?
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a640/eyeball96/Mobile%20Uploads/3C9DEB18-E5C3-4BE5-89DB-8B843B6EAB9D_zpsskd7zdyc.jpg (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/eyeball96/media/Mobile%20Uploads/3C9DEB18-E5C3-4BE5-89DB-8B843B6EAB9D_zpsskd7zdyc.jpg.html)

:joker:

[Cherie]

Stop generalising Cherie..you know they only do it when the cat plays the fiddle.:fist:

:hehe:

[arista]

Sounds bad, but I really don't see what else could be done. A busy road, they tried apprehending the animal and a officer was bitten...

I do wonder though, what would happen if a civilian just purposely ran over a dog?



Yes they had no choice
More danger for Many Cars
if not .

[DemolitionRed]

What if it had been a larger animal like a cow? Would they have run that down or slowed down the traffic and put up warnings etc?

They would of got a gun man in to shoot it. Its the same with a horse. If you break down with a horse onboard a lorry on a motorway, under no circumstances can you remove that horse from one vechicle into another. The only option your'e given is to have the horse trook removed with the animal in it or you have the horse destroyed.

[lostalex]

Like this?
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a640/eyeball96/Mobile%20Uploads/3C9DEB18-E5C3-4BE5-89DB-8B843B6EAB9D_zpsskd7zdyc.jpg (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/eyeball96/media/Mobile%20Uploads/3C9DEB18-E5C3-4BE5-89DB-8B843B6EAB9D_zpsskd7zdyc.jpg.html)

that is definitely a cow themed bra, but its for human women.

i meant a bra for their big heavy udders on a cow.

[Cherie]

They would of got a gun man in to shoot it. Its the same with a horse. If you break down with a horse onboard a lorry on a motorway, under no circumstances can you remove that horse from one vechicle into another. The only option your'e given is to have the horse trook removed with the animal in it or you have the horse destroyed.

Not always it would seem

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/m23-horse-large-section-motorway-10031162


This loose horse on the M23 forced highway officials to close part of the motorway on Thursday evening.

The animal escaped onto the carriageway at around 4.40pm impacting traffic between junctions 9 for Gatwick Airport and junction 8 for the M25.

It is believed the horse re-appeared after an initial period of absence.

Two lanes were closed in both directions first before both roads were closed completely when the animal was being placed into transport.

A spokesman from Highways England said motorists faced delays of up to 90 minutes northbound and ten minutes southbound as a result.

He said: "We stopped both carriageways with no traffic flowing at the moment.

"We had to get the horse into the transport."

On Twitter, the roads agency said a vet had been called to assist at the scene.

[Cal.]

Dogs>Other Animals>People

andthatisthetruthofthematter

[Beso]

They weren't wild horses, they were Travellers horses, they tend to put them in any field they fancy

or take them from any field they fancy.:smug:

[DemolitionRed]

Not always it would seem

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/m23-horse-large-section-motorway-10031162


This loose horse on the M23 forced highway officials to close part of the motorway on Thursday evening.

The animal escaped onto the carriageway at around 4.40pm impacting traffic between junctions 9 for Gatwick Airport and junction 8 for the M25.

It is believed the horse re-appeared after an initial period of absence.

Two lanes were closed in both directions first before both roads were closed completely when the animal was being placed into transport.

A spokesman from Highways England said motorists faced delays of up to 90 minutes northbound and ten minutes southbound as a result.

He said: "We stopped both carriageways with no traffic flowing at the moment.

"We had to get the horse into the transport."

On Twitter, the roads agency said a vet had been called to assist at the scene.

It very much depends on the police at the scene of the incident, whether they can get the animal off the road or can actually close off the road. What I'm saying is, the police have the right to shoot and kill any animal if its deemed a danger to the public.

[Cherie]

It very much depends on the police at the scene of the incident, whether they can get the animal off the road or can actually close off the road. What I'm saying is, the police have the right to shoot and kill any animal if its deemed a danger to the public.

That would be a given as a last resort

[Livia]

Major mistake and a PR nightmare for the police. As far as I can see there were no animal control officers, not even a police dog handler present. The dog was probably terrified and I'm sure an animal control officer would have had a better handle on what to do, especially considering the "solution" the two patrol officers took.

[joeysteele]

Creeps for me, they would surely have to stop any traffic,if there was very much anyway, to remove the dead Dog.
Shocking this story and heads would roll for me for sure.

[Kizzy]

Aw the poor thing but yes I agree it was the right thing to do, my daughter was involved in an accident that could have been really nasty if not for her quick reactions and those of 2 other drivers when some loon stopped dead in the middle of the fast lane of the M62 due to a deer.

[user104658]

I dunno. YouTube a couple of motorway smash videos and it's fairly obvious why they would play it safe. At those speeds, swerving to miss a dog could very easily be a fatal error for multiple people.

Hindsight is all very well and good, with more time to stop and plan perhaps they could have done it differently, but in the heat of the moment and with lives in very real danger, I think they acted quite sensibly and decisively. Sentiment aside... It simply isn't worth risking people's lives in that way to rescue a dog.

Flip it on its head: imagine these officers had continued to try to catch the dog, or had left or waited for colleagues to close the road, and in the mean time an car with a young family (or multiple cars) are involved in a fatal collision. People then (I hope!) would be saying that the officers should have removed the hazard as quickly as possible, by any means necessary.

[Cherie]

I dunno. YouTube a couple of motorway smash videos and it's fairly obvious why they would play it safe. At those speeds, swerving to miss a dog could very easily be a fatal error for multiple people.

Hindsight is all very well and good, with more time to stop and plan perhaps they could have done it differently, but in the heat of the moment and with lives in very real danger, I think they acted quite sensibly and decisively. Sentiment aside... It simply isn't worth risking people's lives in that way to rescue a dog.

Flip it on its head: imagine these officers had continued to try to catch the dog, or had left or waited for colleagues to close the road, and in the mean time an car with a young family (or multiple cars) are involved in a fatal collision. People then (I hope!) would be saying that the officers should have removed the hazard as quickly as possible, by any means necessary.

It was 3am and why not stop the traffic?

[user104658]

It was 3am and why not stop the traffic?
3am doesn't mean there was no traffic, a lot of goods transport goes on overnight on motorways. And stopping traffic would have involved either leaving the dog unattended or waiting for other officers to arrive, who may have been nowhere nearby. Closing a motorway takes more than just a police officer standing in the middle with their hand up. For one, at the very least, they need to find a long straight stretch with good visibility in order for traffic to stop safely (you have to assume some vehicles travelling at 90+ mph, even with perfect reaction times stopping distance is huge). Even THEN, stopping traffic flow on an unlit motorway carries a risk. All it takes is ONE driver not paying attention, going too fast when the road is curving, and you've got a potential pile up.

[user104658]

Tl;Dr closing a motorway requires several emergency services vehicles which may not have been available nearby, and waiting for them with traffic swerving around could easily end in disaster.

[Cherie]

3am doesn't mean there was no traffic, a lot of goods transport goes on overnight on motorways. And stopping traffic would have involved either leaving the dog unattended or waiting for other officers to arrive, who may have been nowhere nearby. Closing a motorway takes more than just a police officer standing in the middle with their hand up. For one, at the very least, they need to find a long straight stretch with good visibility in order for traffic to stop safely (you have to assume some vehicles travelling at 90+ mph, even with perfect reaction times stopping distance is huge). Even THEN, stopping traffic flow on an unlit motorway carries a risk. All it takes is ONE driver not paying attention, going too fast when the road is curving, and you've got a potential pile up.

It wasn't a motorway it was an A road in Wales :idc:

[Cherie]

And can you stop speaking to me like I'm a 5 year old :fist:

[user104658]

It wasn't a motorway it was an A road in Wales :idc:
It's a dual carriageway so closing it would involve exactly the same, and speeds are the same, so this isn't really an important distinction. The headline also describes it as a motorway.

[Livia]

Rolling roadblock.

[Kizzy]

How would a rolling roadblock stop a dog?

[bots]

i know that area of the road very well. Its not like a standard motorway, because there is not the room and distance around a 3 lane motorway plus hard shoulder. Its 2 lanes directly accessible from the side of the road, so a dog jumping on the road has an immediate effect on traffic. Still not happy with the principle particularly of killing anything that happens onto the road, but I can understand the dangers a roaming dog could present to traffic.

[Amy Jade]

I live by here and I'm not making accusations at all but the police officer who claims to have been bit by the dog refused to show the alleged bite mark :think:

[Ammi]

...just to say Cherie, there is going to be an internal enquiry into this, I'm not sure whether it'll achieve much as there were only those police officers there...seeing the pic of the road though, it is the main running through dual carriageway so quite a busy road and I would have thought has large HGV traffic most times of day and night...here's the link from the Telegraph..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12172164/North-Wales-Police-investigated-by-IPPC-after-loose-dog-run-over-by-officers.html

[user104658]

Rolling roadblock.

You would need multiple vehicles to block a dual carriage way in both directions, plus at least another 2 people to then catch the dog. How long is it reasonable to allow a serious hazard to continue while you try to set that up? Especially with underfunded, understaffed police?

Maybe they have a higher presence around your area. Where I am it took the police 45 minutes to respond to a call about a fight in the centre of town, involving bricks and bottles, and 5 men stamping on a young guys head. And that's not half way down a random road in wales... The police station is literally two streets away.

Like I said in an ideal world and with the benefit of hindsight, multiple options were possible. At that very moment with a clearly potentially fatal situation developing, I think acting quickly was justified.

Would people have this issue if it was a badger or a fox? No, its just because its a domesticated dog. People can't deal with it because they're sentimental about dogs. Which is fine, but I'd hope sentimentality doesn't come into play when emergency services are protecting human lives...

[Kazanne]

You would need multiple vehicles to block a dual carriage way in both directions, plus at least another 2 people to then catch the dog. How long is it reasonable to allow a serious hazard to continue while you try to set that up? Especially with underfunded, understaffed police?

Maybe they have a higher presence around your area. Where I am it took the police 45 minutes to respond to a call about a fight in the centre of town, involving bricks and bottles, and 5 men stamping on a young guys head. And that's not half way down a random road in wales... The police station is literally two streets away.

Like I said in an ideal world and with the benefit of hindsight, multiple options were possible. At that very moment with a clearly potentially fatal situation developing, I think acting quickly was justified.

Would people have this issue if it was a badger or a fox? No, its just because its a domesticated dog. People can't deal with it because they're sentimental about dogs. Which is fine, but I'd hope sentimentality doesn't come into play when emergency services are protecting human lives...

Erm,excuse me,I would feel exactly the same had it been a badger/fox etc,all life is precious,I am not sold on the idea that deliberately running into it and killing it was their only option,I am sure drivers who knew the situation would happily have stopped and helped to catch it,poor animal was probably already terrified,afterall had it been some nutter or drunk person running in the road,would they have done the same to them ?

[user104658]

Would you swerve at 70mph to avoid a fox? If you would, I seriously hope for the safety of all road users that you don't drive.

[Cherie]

I live by here and I'm not making accusations at all but the police officer who claims to have been bit by the dog refused to show the alleged bite mark :think:


Mmmmm

...just to say Cherie, there is going to be an internal enquiry into this, I'm not sure whether it'll achieve much as there were only those police officers there...seeing the pic of the road though, it is the main running through dual carriageway so quite a busy road and I would have thought has large HGV traffic most times of day and night...here's the link from the Telegraph..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12172164/North-Wales-Police-investigated-by-IPPC-after-loose-dog-run-over-by-officers.html


Thanks Ammi

[Kazanne]

Would you swerve at 70mph to avoid a fox? If you would, I seriously hope for the safety of all road users that you don't drive.

I do drive and thankfully have never run anything or anyone over,this wasn't a case of swerving to avoid a fox it was deliberate intent to kill the dog.I understand it was a danger,but,so would a drunk etc been had they been in the road,what would they have done then ?

[user104658]

I do drive and thankfully have never run anything or anyone over,this wasn't a case of swerving to avoid a fox it was deliberate intent to kill the dog.I understand it was a danger,but,so would a drunk etc been had they been in the road,what would they have done then ?

Well we're going to fundamentally disagree here because I don't compare human lives to dogs lives, but putting that aside, two police officers could take down and remove a drunk human in seconds... They're not going to evade them for long like a dog.

As for the swerving, I'm talking about the fact that vehicles were taking risks to avoid it in the first place. Travelling at 70, if something humps in front of you, there absolutely no way you have time to check to the back and sides before you swerve or hit the brakes. Emergency stop doing 70 with an HGV anywhere near behind you and you're dead. Plain and simple.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I vapourised 2 young pheasants at Christmas as the alternative was death by drowning or death by a lorry full of logs

[Kazanne]

I vapourised 2 young pheasants at Christmas as the alternative was death by drowning or death by a lorry full of logs

Did they taste nice LT :nono:

[Kazanne]

Well we're going to fundamentally disagree here because I don't compare human lives to dogs lives, but putting that aside, two police officers could take down and remove a drunk human in seconds... They're not going to evade them for long like a dog.

As for the swerving, I'm talking about the fact that vehicles were taking risks to avoid it in the first place. Travelling at 70, if something humps in front of you, there absolutely no way you have time to check to the back and sides before you swerve or hit the brakes. Emergency stop doing 70 with an HGV anywhere near behind you and you're dead. Plain and simple.

I totally get that,but a drunk etc in the road would be equally as dangerous and traffic would slow down and not travel 70 miles ph

[Crimson Dynamo]

Did they taste nice LT :nono:

i am sure some crow thought so

[Vicky.]

I totally get that,but a drunk etc in the road would be equally as dangerous and traffic would slow down and not travel 70 miles ph

A drunk could be easily apprehended though and doesn't pose a threat to the police like an animal does. Unless said drunk was armed and swinging a machete or something, and then its a totally different discussion :p

[Kazanne]

A drunk could be easily apprehended though and doesn't pose a threat to the police like an animal does. Unless said drunk was armed and swinging a machete or something, and then its a totally different discussion :p

:laugh: This drunk is wild Vicky,and on a moped,lol he is armed to the teeth and has been known to bite people :hee:

[Vicky.]

:laugh: This drunk is wild Vicky,and on a moped,lol he is armed to the teeth and has been known to bite people :hee:

I have no issue with him being deliberately knocked down then. We do not need another Suarez :o

[Niamh.]

I vapourised 2 young pheasants at Christmas as the alternative was death by drowning or death by a lorry full of logs

Final destination teas :worry:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Final destination teas :worry:

i often pass these huge lorries stacked full of 30 foot fresh cut logs on narrow 2 lane roads - on a bend its horrific :worry:

http://static.commercialmotor.com/big-lorry-blog/07557-052.jpg

[Niamh.]

i often pass these huge lorries stacked full of 30 foot fresh cut logs on narrow 2 lane roads - on a bend its horrific :worry:

http://static.commercialmotor.com/big-lorry-blog/07557-052.jpg

The worst ever is driving in a lane between two of them, that happened to me once, i was horrified :worry:

[Tom4784]

I do drive and thankfully have never run anything or anyone over,this wasn't a case of swerving to avoid a fox it was deliberate intent to kill the dog.I understand it was a danger,but,so would a drunk etc been had they been in the road,what would they have done then ?

Well....people have the ability to communicate with each other, dogs do not.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well....people have the ability to communicate with each other, dogs do not.

my dog understands my moods a lot better than my ex-wife ever did

:hee:

[user104658]

i often pass these huge lorries stacked full of 30 foot fresh cut logs on narrow 2 lane roads - on a bend its horrific :worry:

http://static.commercialmotor.com/big-lorry-blog/07557-052.jpg

Yeah there's a lot of logging around here too - we were 2 cars behind one last week, the other car was staying like 200m back, because it looked like there were brick-sized chunks of wood randomly falling off occasionally.

[Cherie]

my dog understands my moods a lot better than my ex-wife ever did

:hee:

:hee:

[user104658]

my dog understands my moods a lot better than my ex-wife ever did

:hee:

That's because your ex wife is a fox. Grrr.

[Jamie89]

Erm,excuse me,I would feel exactly the same had it been a badger/fox etc,all life is precious,I am not sold on the idea that deliberately running into it and killing it was their only option,I am sure drivers who knew the situation would happily have stopped and helped to catch it,poor animal was probably already terrified,afterall had it been some nutter or drunk person running in the road,would they have done the same to them ?

I don't really know the ins and outs of exactly what happened because there hasn't been a lot of detail, but at a guess, I'd agree with you that it may not have been their only option. It would be very unusual for only one option to be available. But I'd imagine that being in that situation, a quick decision would have to be made, they wouldn't necessarily have the same luxury as us of being able to sit back and fully analyse the situation and weigh up the pro's and con's of every possible solution. I don't think the decision would have been taken lightly (I'd hope not anyway) but their priority being human lives I can't critisise them. If a relative of mine had been seriously injured or killed as a result of traffic swerving out the way of the dog I'd wished that any action would have been taken to prevent it.

Would you swerve at 70mph to avoid a fox? If you would, I seriously hope for the safety of all road users that you don't drive.

Some people would through instinct, the shock of seeing something in the road infront of you, a split second moment, it's highly likely that a lot of people (including generally good drivers) would do that.

[user104658]

Some people would through instinct, the shock of seeing something in the road infront of you, a split second moment, it's highly likely that a lot of people (including generally good drivers) would do that.

True, most people's instinct is to get out of the way or slam on the brakes... But then, that's how pile ups happen, and they do happen semi-regularly.

[Livia]

True, most people's instinct is to get out of the way or slam on the brakes... But then, that's how pile ups happen, and they do happen semi-regularly.

So by most people, you're obviously not referring to yourself and your spider senses.

If you're paying attention, not talking on the phone or lost in a radio show, I'd say most people's instinct would be to try a safe avoidance tactic that'd end up being successful. Nothing's black or white... and I'd much rather miss an animal. Although I fully expect you to tell me how silly and wrong I am.

My feeling is that more people are going to plough into animals now the police have shown us their half-arsed, ill-thought through attempt at removing the said dog from said road.

[Livia]

They would of got a gun man in to shoot it. Its the same with a horse. If you break down with a horse onboard a lorry on a motorway, under no circumstances can you remove that horse from one vechicle into another. The only option your'e given is to have the horse trook removed with the animal in it or you have the horse destroyed.

OMG... seldom have I ever seen a post so wrong.

In an emergency, you're not allowed to unload a horse on a motorway unless the police are present. I can't imagine the backlash if a couple of coppers decided that because you can't get your £10m racehorse out of one box and into another, you're going to have to have it shot.

[bots]

My feeling is that more people are going to plough into animals now the police have shown us their half-arsed, ill-thought through attempt at removing the said dog from said road.

Sadly, i think this will be true. I was once driving along a B road when a fox ran into the path of my car, I didn't even know it was there until I hit it. I can tell you that it made a hell of a mess of the car, and broke a few bits of it too.

[Niamh.]

Only thing I've killed so far was a Pigeon, thankfully, not that killing a pigeon is great either, I felt so horrible :worry: I thought he'd fly away quicker than he did

[Crimson Dynamo]

my big fear is hitting a deer, i have been so close numerous times

[Livia]

I've seen a few cars really badly damaged by muntjac deer around where I live and they're tiny... Best we get the Filth to round them up and run them over.

[Kizzy]

It was a bliddy lost hunt dog! Fine the hunt leader for damage to the police car and emotional stress!

[Vicky.]

I can't see people purposely running over animals because the police did tbh. Same people as before will avoid it at all costs, same people will avoid if its safe to do so, and same people will be arseholes and run over something for convenience.

[user104658]

It was a bliddy lost hunt dog! Fine the hunt leader for damage to the police car and emotional stress!
This puts a whole new spin on it: that dog had blood on its hands. Justice4Foxes.

[Cherie]

This puts a whole new spin on it: that dog had blood on its hands. Justice4Foxes.

Paws, blood on its paws, the policeman was obviously a fox grrr

[user104658]

Paws, blood on its paws, the policeman was obviously a fox grrr
Let's be honest, it probably has blood on pretty much all of whatever's left.