Kate Mccann recieves award for dedication to missing children

[hbk4894]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6958292/McCann-and-Coral-Jones-receive-award-for-dedication-to-missing-kids.html

fully deserved in my opinion.

[Denver]

What a ****ing disgrace abandon your children and get rewarded what next?

[Tarryn]

She left her three children alone while pissing off to have dinner & did not get prosecuted for it.
If she were not middle class & lived on a council estate she would have served time for it.

[Kazanne]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6958292/McCann-and-Coral-Jones-receive-award-for-dedication-to-missing-kids.html

fully deserved in my opinion.

Not in my opinion it isn't,Coral Jones Yes and there are far more deserving moms who have gone through terrible tragedies,such as Denise Bulger who has set up a charity in her boys name to benefit other children and for 20 odd years she has campaigned for justice for James,where is her well deserved award?also Sara Payne,Holly and Jessica's moms, takes the piss this does,they even have a picture of Kate but not of Mrs Jones !!

[Smithy]

A MESS, she wouldn't give a **** about missing children if she wasn't such a negligent parent in the first place

[Vicky.]

LOL this is hilarious :joker:

[Josy]

LOLOL

[Black Dagger]

Pathetic

[Nicky91]

LOL, she doesn't deserve an award


but this makes my day :joker: :joker:

[Glenn.]

Such a disgrace

[Niamh.]

Sickening.

[rubymoo]

Not in my opinion it isn't,Coral Jones Yes and there are far more deserving moms who have gone through terrible tragedies,such as Denise Bulger who has set up a charity in her boys name to benefit other children and for 20 odd years she has campaigned for justice for James,where is her well deserved award?also Sara Payne,Holly and Jessica's moms, takes the piss this does,they even have a picture of Kate but not of Mrs Jones !!

Agree with you Kaz, why she gets special treatment is beyond me :conf:

[Niamh.]

One of the comments after the article :

Sorry but I have not heard of “Stephen Wynard Award” I can’t find anything on Google search.



Is it possible you mean Stephen Wynyard, if so is he not the person that paid Kate McCann £100 thousand pound towards legal fees, when she was made arguido.

[T*]

Of course the sun is reporting it as well
I'm not even going to click the link what a ****ing joke

[T*]

Not in my opinion it isn't,Coral Jones Yes and there are far more deserving moms who have gone through terrible tragedies,such as Denise Bulger who has set up a charity in her boys name to benefit other children and for 20 odd years she has campaigned for justice for James,where is her well deserved award?also Sara Payne,Holly and Jessica's moms, takes the piss this does,they even have a picture of Kate but not of Mrs Jones !!

:clap1:

[Vicky.]

One of the comments after the article :

Sorry but I have not heard of “Stephen Wynard Award” I can’t find anything on Google search.



Is it possible you mean Stephen Wynyard, if so is he not the person that paid Kate McCann £100 thousand pound towards legal fees, when she was made arguido.

Oh dear if this is right :hehe:

[Z]

She put more effort into winning that award than finding her daughter

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6958292/McCann-and-Coral-Jones-receive-award-for-dedication-to-missing-kids.html

fully deserved in my opinion.

:clap1:


http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5884875.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Kate-McCann.jpg

[Niamh.]

And not a single comment in the comments section agreeing with it :fan:

[Shaun]

Well she sure put a lot of work into making sure her child went missing I suppose.

[Crimson Dynamo]

shameful hate

[Rob!]

Why? How many missing children has she found?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why? How many missing children has she found?

If you read the article you will se why Kate has receivd this deserved recognition

[Vicky.]

Why? How many missing children has she found?

None, and she didn't even bother to look for her own.

What an inspirational lady :love:

[Jessica.]

http://i64.tinypic.com/j7sw15.png

[Niamh.]

http://i64.tinypic.com/j7sw15.png

Jess, out of interest what do Portuguese people think about this case (if you've ever spoken about it with your b/f or his family etc that is)

[Jessica.]

Jess, out of interest what do Portuguese people think about this case (if you've ever spoken about it with your b/f or his family etc that is)

I actually haven't spoken about it with anyone, I have thought about it really but never got round to it. I might ask my boyfriend and some others at lunch on Sunday. :think:

[Niamh.]

I actually haven't spoken about it with anyone, I have thought about it really but never got round to it. I might ask my boyfriend and some others at lunch on Sunday. :think:

It'd be interesting to hear what kind of a way they spun it over there compared to this side of the world

[Crimson Dynamo]

hopefully their sympathies will be firmly with the poor family and the child

[Kazanne]

And not a single comment in the comments section agreeing with it :fan:

I spotted that too Niamh,people seem to be getting wiser to some of the stories out there.

[DemolitionRed]

All the case notes are available to read and when you've trawled your way through that hefty lot, having their daughter disappear would of been near on impossible.

The Portuguese police thought the parents were responsible from the get go but they tampered with evidence and during investigations they lied about the evidence they didn't actually have. One police officer, Gonçalo Amaral, tried to publish a book called, "The Truth About The Lie".

[joeysteele]

I really cannot believe this,an award for what? for goodness sake

[DemolitionRed]

Not in my opinion it isn't,Coral Jones Yes and there are far more deserving moms who have gone through terrible tragedies,such as Denise Bulger who has set up a charity in her boys name to benefit other children and for 20 odd years she has campaigned for justice for James,where is her well deserved award?also Sara Payne,Holly and Jessica's moms, takes the piss this does,they even have a picture of Kate but not of Mrs Jones !!

Denise Bulger (Fergus) has won various awards including Women of Courage.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Tragic mothers Kate McCann and Coral Jones have been given an award for putting aside their own agony to help other families with missing children.

Both Kate and Coral have been supporting the charity's Child Rescue Alert campaign, which is aimed at getting as many people as possible to register to receive free text alerts when a child goes missing and is believed to be in imminent danger.

Since Kate launched the campaign in The Sun, over 35,000 people have signed up to the system, bringing the total number in the UK to over 350,000.



:clap1:

great achievement

[DemolitionRed]

"Tragic mothers Kate McCann and Coral Jones have been given an award for putting aside their own agony to help other families with missing children.

Both Kate and Coral have been supporting the charity's Child Rescue Alert campaign, which is aimed at getting as many people as possible to register to receive free text alerts when a child goes missing and is believed to be in imminent danger.

Since Kate launched the campaign in The Sun, over 35,000 people have signed up to the system, bringing the total number in the UK to over 350,000.



:clap1:

great achievement

I agree, it is a great achievement.
There were so many potential sightings of Maddie from British holiday makers but because they didn't see the news about Maddie till after their holiday, seven or eight days had gone by before they reported these sightings.

[T*]

she's plain and simply a child neglecter

[Crimson Dynamo]

she's plain and simply a child neglecter

lets see if you become a perfect parent...

[Denver]

lets see if you become a perfect parent...

A loving parent doesn't leave 3 kids in a unlocked room why they go get pissed with their mates.

They chose alcohol over Madeline

[Marsh.]

Why? How many missing children has she found?

None, and she didn't even bother to look for her own.

What an inspirational lady :love:

Well she sure put a lot of work into making sure her child went missing I suppose.

She put more effort into winning that award than finding her daughter

:joker:

[Marsh.]

lets see if you become a perfect parent...

I'm afraid the act of not leaving your children alone doesn't fall under the "perfect parent" category but the "common sense to anyone with a brain" one. :hee:

[DemolitionRed]

I'm afraid the act of not leaving your children alone doesn't fall under the "perfect parent" category but the "common sense to anyone with a brain" one. :hee:

I agree with you. The other couples who they met up with had also left their children unattended. I guess the difference between them and the McCann's is, the McCann's are the ones who have to live with what they did for the rest of their lives.

It was a neglectful thing to do but we could also say that Jamie Bulgers mum was not properly watching her minor and allowed him to wander around outside the butchers whilst she had a natter.

Neither parent deserved what happened, one was careless, the others neglectful but persecuting someone who has not only lost their child but have absolutely no idea if she's alive or dead seams heartless to me.

[T*]

lets see if you become a perfect parent...


If I want kids I will have them and will protect them will all my might because I'll be choosing to have them tyvm

[T*]

I'm afraid the act of not leaving your children alone doesn't fall under the "perfect parent" category but the "common sense to anyone with a brain" one. :hee:


:clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes we are all experts and model parents in hindsight..


:rolleyes:

[Kizzy]

I agree with you. The other couples who they met up with had also left their children unattended. I guess the difference between them and the McCann's is, the McCann's are the ones who have to live with what they did for the rest of their lives.

It was a neglectful thing to do but we could also say that Jamie Bulgers mum was not properly watching her minor and allowed him to wander around outside the butchers whilst she had a natter.

Neither parent deserved what happened, one was careless, the others neglectful but persecuting someone who has not only lost their child but have absolutely no idea if she's alive or dead seams heartless to me.

I don't believe a child wandering off in a store is comparable to leaving 3 under 5s in an unlocked room. I thought the Paynes children were in the creche? They were all checking on the mc cann kids, there's no mention of anyone checking on any other children.

[Cherie]

I agree with you. The other couples who they met up with had also left their children unattended. I guess the difference between them and the McCann's is, the McCann's are the ones who have to live with what they did for the rest of their lives.

It was a neglectful thing to do but we could also say that Jamie Bulgers mum was not properly watching her minor and allowed him to wander around outside the butchers whilst she had a natter.

Neither parent deserved what happened, one was careless, the others neglectful but persecuting someone who has not only lost their child but have absolutely no idea if she's alive or dead seams heartless to me.


There is a huge difference between being distracted in a shop and having meals out while you leave your under 3s unattended :unsure:

[Glenn.]

Literally the thought of leaving a child unattended whilst I went out for dinner makes my blood run cold. They should be locked up for that alone.

[smudgie]

I have to wonder if the fact that a few couples did this if they were lulled into a sense of false security.
Also, if it was seen to be common practice if it would be easier to target them:shrug:

[GiRTh]

This story is only in the Sun. Is the OP sure its true?

[user104658]

yes we are all experts and model parents in hindsight..


:rolleyes:

Out of interest LT... by any chance, did you ever leave your young children alone to go socialising, etc.? You have a massive amount of defensiveness that to be honest just doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me. I mean yes I understand that not everyone agrees that the McCanns necessarily are to blame for their daughter's disappearance, but you have this giant mutant bee in your bonnet specifically regarding the issue of parents leaving their kids unattended...

[Vicky.]

I don't believe a child wandering off in a store is comparable to leaving 3 under 5s in an unlocked room. I thought the Paynes children were in the creche? They were all checking on the mc cann kids, there's no mention of anyone checking on any other children.

No, they were in their apartment also alone. However the Paynes had a baby monitor with them, which makes them slightly better than the other parents were...not much though

[Kizzy]

No, they were in their apartment also alone. However the Paynes had a baby monitor with them, which makes them slightly better than the other parents were...not much though

Ah right thought there was some reason they didn't go to check them, yep I say that's pretty rubbish too :/

[DemolitionRed]

I don't believe a child wandering off in a store is comparable to leaving 3 under 5s in an unlocked room. I thought the Paynes children were in the creche? They were all checking on the mc cann kids, there's no mention of anyone checking on any other children.

Clearly those kids shouldn't of been left and there's no excuse for what they did, but Paynes kids were also left in their rooms, not in the crèche and the reason the Paynes checked on the McCanns kids is, they had to pass their apartment on the way to checking their own kids. The Paynes kids were further away than Maddie and the twins.

In the case notes with all the witness statements, it says that someone was popping in every 20 minutes (which I appreciate isn't good enough). Mr Payne had checked prior to the next check when Maddie was found missing but he says in the statement that although he could see the twins in the cots, he didn't see Maddie because it was too dark and he just believed she was sleeping.

There is absolutely nothing in those case files that suggest Maddie was being given sedatives and yet the papers had a field day suggesting Maddies parents regularly drugged her.

[Marsh.]

yes we are all experts and model parents in hindsight..


:rolleyes:

If you need hindsight to know that leaving children alone at night time is a bad idea then, yes, call me Supernanny. :hee:

[Marsh.]

I agree with you. The other couples who they met up with had also left their children unattended. I guess the difference between them and the McCann's is, the McCann's are the ones who have to live with what they did for the rest of their lives.

It was a neglectful thing to do but we could also say that Jamie Bulgers mum was not properly watching her minor and allowed him to wander around outside the butchers whilst she had a natter.

Neither parent deserved what happened, one was careless, the others neglectful but persecuting someone who has not only lost their child but have absolutely no idea if she's alive or dead seams heartless to me.

I'm not persecuting anyone. :suspect:

[Cherie]

Clearly those kids shouldn't of been left and there's no excuse for what they did, but Paynes kids were also left in their rooms, not in the crèche and the reason the Paynes checked on the McCanns kids is, they had to pass their apartment on the way to checking their own kids. The Paynes kids were further away than Maddie and the twins.

In the case notes with all the witness statements, it says that someone was popping in every 20 minutes (which I appreciate isn't good enough). Mr Payne had checked prior to the next check when Maddie was found missing but he says in the statement that although he could see the twins in the cots, he didn't see Maddie because it was too dark and he just believed she was sleeping.

There is absolutely nothing in those case files that suggest Maddie was being given sedatives and yet the papers had a field day suggesting Maddies parents regularly drugged her.

What was the point of him checking if he walked away without physically seeing her :bored: useless

[Kizzy]

Too dark my ar*e...

[Z]

Do you think she'll keep the award in a locked room or just have one of her friends check on it every 20 minutes while she goes out to celebrate?

[Kizzy]

Kates advice, 'get a babysitter' thanks for stating the obvious, have an award.

[Kazanne]

Kates advice, 'get a babysitter' thanks for stating the obvious, have an award.

Shame she didn't take her own advice then maybe her daughter would be alive and well.

[chuff me dizzy]

Another case of people believing the red tops ,this is not a real award,its an award given to her by Stephen Winyard ,who is one of her financial backers, given to her to make her look good, further helped along by Lazzeri the Sun reporter who just happens to be Kates gym buddie

Winyard http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post27375.html#p27375

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/1m.reward.offered.for.missing.madeleine/10740.htm

[chuff me dizzy]

Kate McCann groupie and gym buddy Antonella Lazzeri's toadying report in The Sun today makes no mention of the fact that the "award" is all PR, organised by wealthy McCann backer Stephen Winyard, who owns Stobo castle, as a few minutes' research would have revealed.
The Sun are acting as though it's some prestigious event but it's literally of no importance at all.
A mini-scam, on the top of the massive scam, heavily promoted by a paper declining in circulation, desperate to claw back money haemorrhaging now the Mail Online - who dared to print Katie Hopkins' critical and popular piece - leaves them behind.
The Evening Standard poll shows why this phoney "event" had to be promoted. The public have cast almost 10 thousand votes with 87% saying saying he McCanns should take more blame for Maddie's disappearance.
http://www.standard.co.uk/.../katie-hopkins-sparks-online...
Quick - bury that bad news!Kate McCann groupie and gym buddy Antonella Lazzeri's toadying report in The Sun today makes no mention of the fact that the "award" is all PR, organised by wealthy McCann backer Stephen Winyard, who owns Stobo castle, as a few minutes' research would have revealed.
The Sun are acting as though it's some prestigious event but it's literally of no importance at all.
A mini-scam, on the top of the massive scam, heavily promoted by a paper declining in circulation, desperate to claw back money haemorrhaging now the Mail Online - who dared to print Katie Hopkins' critical and popular piece - leaves them behind.
The Evening Standard poll shows why this phoney "event" had to be promoted. The public have cast almost 10 thousand votes with 87% saying saying he McCanns should take more blame for Maddie's disappearance.
http://www.standard.co.uk/.../katie-hopkins-sparks-online...
Quick - bury that bad news!

[T*]

I don't read any of the sun anyway

[Kazanne]

Kate McCann groupie and gym buddy Antonella Lazzeri's toadying report in The Sun today makes no mention of the fact that the "award" is all PR, organised by wealthy McCann backer Stephen Winyard, who owns Stobo castle, as a few minutes' research would have revealed.
The Sun are acting as though it's some prestigious event but it's literally of no importance at all.
A mini-scam, on the top of the massive scam, heavily promoted by a paper declining in circulation, desperate to claw back money haemorrhaging now the Mail Online - who dared to print Katie Hopkins' critical and popular piece - leaves them behind.
The Evening Standard poll shows why this phoney "event" had to be promoted. The public have cast almost 10 thousand votes with 87% saying saying he McCanns should take more blame for Maddie's disappearance.
http://www.standard.co.uk/.../katie-hopkins-sparks-online...
Quick - bury that bad news!Kate McCann groupie and gym buddy Antonella Lazzeri's toadying report in The Sun today makes no mention of the fact that the "award" is all PR, organised by wealthy McCann backer Stephen Winyard, who owns Stobo castle, as a few minutes' research would have revealed.
The Sun are acting as though it's some prestigious event but it's literally of no importance at all.
A mini-scam, on the top of the massive scam, heavily promoted by a paper declining in circulation, desperate to claw back money haemorrhaging now the Mail Online - who dared to print Katie Hopkins' critical and popular piece - leaves them behind.
The Evening Standard poll shows why this phoney "event" had to be promoted. The public have cast almost 10 thousand votes with 87% saying saying he McCanns should take more blame for Maddie's disappearance.
http://www.standard.co.uk/.../katie-hopkins-sparks-online...
Quick - bury that bad news!

Thanks for that Chuff they must think all of the public are stupid,katie Hopkins love or loathe her was spot on with her take on it.imo.

[Nicky91]

well why didn't Kate get a babysitter, i guess they have enough money to afford a good babysitter


and she gets a medal for what? :conf: :conf:

[Crimson Dynamo]

well why didn't Kate get a babysitter, i guess they have enough money to afford a good babysitter


and she gets a medal for what? :conf: :conf:

They did not go out they eat in the hotel copmplex and with the 4 other couples went up to check on all the children every 30 mins, quite routine for many on holidays

[Cherie]

well why didn't Kate get a babysitter, i guess they have enough money to afford a good babysitter


and she gets a medal for what? :conf: :conf:

For not getting a babysitter

[Nicky91]

For not getting a babysitter

well if that's true than it's ridiculous


but this story with the McCann's is almost like JonBenet Ramsay, i don't know if you know that story

[Cherie]

They did not go out they eat in the hotel copmplex and with the 4 other couples went up to check on all the children every 30 mins, quite routine for many on holidays

It might well be routine for some :unsure: but I think caring parents wouldn't do it if their child had a stomach upset (as was the case for one family) and if their child told them they woke up and was scared (Maddie), its actually beyond my comprehension.

[Cherie]

well if that's true than it's ridiculous


but this story with the McCann's is almost like JonBenet Ramsay, i don't know if you know that story

Im going to google it Nicky

[Nicky91]

Im going to google it Nicky

well JonBenet Ramsay was a child of wealthy parents, she did compete in child beauty pageants ( which i'm against as well )

[Crimson Dynamo]

It might well be routine for some :unsure: but I think caring parents wouldn't do it if their child had a stomach upset (as was the case for one family) and if their child told them they woke up and was scared (Maddie), its actually beyond my comprehension.

Other peoples lives often are difficult to comprehend but thats is because they are other people. I am sure if kate looked at your life she sould feel the same about some things you do.

[Cherie]

Other peoples lives often are difficult to comprehend but thats is because they are other people. I am sure if kate looked at your life she sould feel the same about some things you do.

I'm one up though because I never lost a 3 year old on holiday :hee:

[Jessica.]

@Niamh

Okay so I asked my Portuguese boyfriend about this last night.

The story does get mentioned in the news from time to time but more rarely these days.

Most Portuguese people have two theories;
She really was abducted
OR
She died of an accident and the parents got rid of the body, possibly with the help of a friend.

There is also a long running stereotype that British people drug their children and leave them on their own so they can go out partying. When this case happened many people may not have been surprised with the mindset that something like that was bound to happen.

[chuff me dizzy]

They did not go out they eat in the hotel copmplex and with the 4 other couples went up to check on all the children every 30 mins, quite routine for many on holidays

Neglect is McCanns alibi ,without it they could not claim abduction ....every night one member of tapas group was "ill" (even though none of these illness were reported to Warners )so the sick person was the babysitter ,all children in one apartment, the twins were not in 5a the night Maddie"disappeared "

[chuff me dizzy]

Thanks for that Chuff they must think all of the public are stupid,katie Hopkins love or loathe her was spot on with her take on it.imo.

Katie Hopkins has opened the floodgates,you watch now, this case is about to smash open

[Niamh.]

@Niamh

Okay so I asked my Portuguese boyfriend about this last night.

The story does get mentioned in the news from time to time but more rarely these days.

Most Portuguese people have two theories;
She really was abducted
OR
She died of an accident and the parents got rid of the body, possibly with the help of a friend.

There is also a long running stereotype that British people drug their children and leave them on their own so they can go out partying. When this case happened many people may not have been surprised with the mindset that something like that was bound to happen.


Interesting, why do they think it's usual for English people to drug their kids though :o. They must have a bad reputation as holiday makers there then?

[Niamh.]

Katie Hopkins has opened the floodgates,you watch now, this case is about to smash open


Can't stand Katie Hopkins but that was a good article she wrote

[chuff me dizzy]

Interesting, why do they think it's usual for English people to drug their kids though :o. They must have a bad reputation as holiday makers there then?

IMO all the Mc children were drugged as Kate refused to have the twins hair tested until 3 months later, the time it takes for it to be clear

[chuff me dizzy]

Can't stand Katie Hopkins but that was a good article she wrote

I would have liked her to go deeper ,but glad she opened the minds of so many people, Twitter was in uproar and it got 10s of 1000s more people asking for links to the police files, so job done ,and I'm sure while she is on sick leave Katie will look into the files,this is the start where she is concerned Im sure

[chuff me dizzy]

Jess, out of interest what do Portuguese people think about this case (if you've ever spoken about it with your b/f or his family etc that is)

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02938/Madeleine_McCann_g_2938316b.jpg

"English police are stupid" is the Portuguese thoughts

[Kazanne]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02938/Madeleine_McCann_g_2938316b.jpg

"English police are stupid" is the Portuguese thoughts

Well that's straight to the point, Did they ever succeed in suing Amaral over his book?

[chuff me dizzy]

Well that's straight to the point, Did they ever succeed in suing Amaral over his book?

Its due final appeal anytime now

[Kazanne]

Its due final appeal anytime now

Ah,ok well that will be interesting,I've actually been watching a few vids when I can,you can understand who so many people are changing their minds on them and not for the better.I have to say I find him a right snidey git,and she just seems to be his puppet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes both are murderers and the best brains at scotland yard could not see through it but a few folk on tib have cracked it


:laugh2:

[Marsh.]

Katie Hopkins has opened the floodgates,you watch now, this case is about to smash open

Yes, Katie Hopkins of all people is blowing the case wide open. :joker:

[Marsh.]

Interesting, why do they think it's usual for English people to drug their kids though :o. They must have a bad reputation as holiday makers there then?

She said British, not English you big xenophobic! :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

not the haterz relying on Hopkins....

:fan:

[Niamh.]

She said British, not English you big xenophobic! :fist:


Aren't English people British? :idc:

[Kazanne]

not the haterz relying on Hopkins....

:fan:

I see no haterz LT,just people with different opinions,it's good to talk:hee:

[Jamie89]

It's a strange article, because it makes it sound as though it's an established award, but searching for 'The Stephen Wynard Award' doesn't return any results about the award itself, or past winners etc. And searching for Stephen Wynard (or Wynyard as someone else said it was spelt) doesn't return anything either, you'd think he'd be a notable person to have an award named after him :suspect: So it does seem as though it's just been invented. And it doesn't look like any one other than The Sun have reported it either. It's very odd. The award itself though, although named after Stephen Wynard, doesn't seem to have been given by him. It's been awarded by 'Missing People', which is a genuine charity.

Or is it? :fan: I just read some really interesting information about them so here's something for the conspiracy theorists...

The Charity 'Missing People' who have given Kate McCann her award, were facing closure in 2006 (under their previous name 'National Missing Persons Helpline'). They brought in new management and a new board of trustees to start a process of 'strategic planning'.
In May 2007 Madeleine McCann disappeared, and a huge amount of media attention was given to her. A few days after her disappearance, the 'National Missing Persons Helpline' relaunched as 'Missing Persons'. They launched a massive appeal for Maddie on 26th May, which is also 'International Missing Childrens Day'. This brought them considerable attention (and donations) and they don't seem to have struggled financially since.

So is it possible that the whole thing was one massive corporate conspiracy? It couldn't have worked out better for 'Missing Persons'. If someone was going to plan something like this, they would know that a little white girl whose family have a good social standing would bring the most media attention. And they relaunched their 'brand' off the back of that media attention. The timing could not have been more perfect for them (especially given that 'International Missing Childrens Day' came right after their relaunch and Maddie's disappearance, ensuring maximum publicity and exposure for their appeal).

I'm not saying I believe any of this by the way, as I said in the other thread about the McCanns, I'm an evidence person. But I thought I'd throw this in to the mix anyway, since I found the info quite interesting (and even if there's nothing sinister behind any of it, it certainly shows how important the McCanns have been to the charity). But as far as conspiracy's go I think it's quite a good one :fan:

[Marsh.]

Aren't English people British? :idc:

What about the Scots and Welsh? :fist:

IMO the Scots are far more likely to drug each other, those drunken hoodlums.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I see no haterz LT,just people with different opinions,it's good to talk:hee:

thinking that you have cracked a case that Scotland Yard have forensically examined over many years based on some youtube videos and facebook gossip is not a different opinion


Its borderline hysteria based on a dislike of a person

:nono:

[chuff me dizzy]

Ah,ok well that will be interesting,I've actually been watching a few vids when I can,you can understand who so many people are changing their minds on them and not for the better.I have to say I find him a right snidey git,and she just seems to be his puppet.

I find her more evil than him,I think HES HER puppet, funny how people see things differently isn't it ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

What about the Scots and Welsh? :fist:

IMO the Scots are far more likely to drug each other, those drunken hoodlums.

my mum used to rub whisky on my gums when I had toothache

:hee:



:worry:

[chuff me dizzy]

It's a strange article, because it makes it sound as though it's an established award, but searching for 'The Stephen Wynard Award' doesn't return any results about the award itself, or past winners etc. And searching for Stephen Wynard (or Wynyard as someone else said it was spelt) doesn't return anything either, you'd think he'd be a notable person to have an award named after him :suspect: So it does seem as though it's just been invented. And it doesn't look like any one other than The Sun have reported it either. It's very odd. The award itself though, although named after Stephen Wynard, doesn't seem to have been given by him. It's been awarded by 'Missing People', which is a genuine charity.

Or is it? :fan: I just read some really interesting information about them so here's something for the conspiracy theorists...

The Charity 'Missing People' who have given Kate McCann her award, were facing closure in 2006 (under their previous name 'National Missing Persons Helpline'). They brought in new management and a new board of trustees to start a process of 'strategic planning'.
In May 2007 Madeleine McCann disappeared, and a huge amount of media attention was given to her. A few days after her disappearance, the 'National Missing Persons Helpline' relaunched as 'Missing Persons'. They launched a massive appeal for Maddie on 26th May, which is also 'International Missing Childrens Day'. This brought them considerable attention (and donations) and they don't seem to have struggled financially since.

So is it possible that the whole thing was one massive corporate conspiracy? It couldn't have worked out better for 'Missing Persons'. If someone was going to plan something like this, they would know that a little white girl whose family have a good social standing would bring the most media attention. And they relaunched their 'brand' off the back of that media attention. The timing could not have been more perfect for them (especially given that 'International Missing Childrens Day' came right after their relaunch and Maddie's disappearance, ensuring maximum publicity and exposure for their appeal).

I'm not saying I believe any of this by the way, as I said in the other thread about the McCanns, I'm an evidence person. But I thought I'd throw this in to the mix anyway, since I found the info quite interesting (and even if there's nothing sinister behind any of it, it certainly shows how important the McCanns have been to the charity). But as far as conspiracy's go I think it's quite a good one :fan:

It the first time the "award" has been given,clearly to make Kate look an angel

[Kazanne]

thinking that you have cracked a case that Scotland Yard have forensically examined over many years based on some youtube videos and facebook gossip is not a different opinion


Its borderline hysteria based on a dislike of a person

:nono:

:laugh: I never said I had cracked the case,I don't know what happened to madeleine,I just suspect she was NOT abducted, and something is not right with this case.

[Kazanne]

I find her more evil than him,I think HES HER puppet, funny how people see things differently isn't it ?

Yes,so many opinions,I think if they hadn't of been so evasive in the beginning , more people would probably believe them.

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes,so many opinions,I think if they hadn't of been so evasive in the beginning , more people would probably believe them.

It was Kate who refused to answer he 48 police questions, then went on the call the Ltd Co they set up within DAYS (wasn't expecting her back ?) No Stone Unturned

[Cherie]

Interesting, why do they think it's usual for English people to drug their kids though :o. They must have a bad reputation as holiday makers there then?

I didn't realise the Portuguese were such an ignorant bunch, if they think the English party what do they think of the Irish :fan:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I didn't realise the Portuguese were such an ignorant bunch, if they think the English party what do they think of the Irish :fan:

er have they met any scottish folk?

[Cherie]

er have they met any scottish folk?

maybe they think drugging children stops at the border :fan:

[Kazanne]

It was Kate who refused to answer he 48 police questions, then went on the call the Ltd Co they set up within DAYS (wasn't expecting her back ?) No Stone Unturned

I find them both equally furtive ,I also find him cocky ,gobby and smug,but they do say it's the quiet ones you have to watch :wavey:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I find them both equally furtive ,I also find him cocky ,gobby and smug,but they do say it's the quiet ones you have to watch :wavey:

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[Kazanne]

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:joker:That LK one underneath can take a long run off a short pier LT.

[Kizzy]

Lorraine would never leave her wee bairns alone :nono:

[chuff me dizzy]

:joker:That LK one underneath can take a long run off a short pier LT.

Lorraine is up their arses !! hate the woman

[Kazanne]

Lorraine would never leave her wee bairns alone :nono:

She's only got one and she is grown up ,which begs the question why does LK have every school holiday off,which would be ok as she irritates the **** out of me,but they replace her with the equally annoying Fiona Phillips:joker:

[Kazanne]

Lorraine would never leave her wee bairns alone :nono:

Can't stand her either false mare,:blush:

[Kizzy]

Aw she seems really friendly, might just be her accent though :laugh:

[Kazanne]

Aw she seems really friendly, might just be her accent though :laugh:

:joker::joker:she is friendly Kizzy to your face:hehe:

[Vicky.]

Seems to be a real award..not mention of Kate or Coral though oddly :conf:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/minister-recognised-for-services-to-missing-people

[Jessica.]

I didn't realise the Portuguese were such an ignorant bunch, if they think the English party what do they think of the Irish :fan:
It's just a stereotype about British people on holiday.

When I say I'm Irish they usually ask if I was affected by the IRA or religious disagreements. :shrug: I'm from the south west so was never affected by that stuff, they usually don't ask about anything else except maybe the weather.

[Cherie]

It's just a stereotype about British people on holiday.

When I say I'm Irish they usually ask if I was affected by the IRA or religious disagreements. :shrug: I'm from the south west so was never affected by that stuff, they usually don't ask about anything else except maybe the weather.

Stereotyping of any kind is ignorant though wouldn't you agree?

[user104658]

Like I said before: as utterly effing mental as it may seem to most people (I would hope)... British parents doping their kids with over-the-counter meds intended for adults (usually antihistamines) so that they'll sleep and / or be quiet **is** common. A massive argument over it, and the "ill feeling" between hundreds of members that followed, is a large part of what triggered our own website shutting down about 3 years ago.

[Cherie]

Like I said before: as utterly effing mental as it may seem to most people (I would hope)... British parents doping their kids with over-the-counter meds intended for adults (usually antihistamines) so that they'll sleep and / or be quiet **is** common. A massive argument over it, and the "ill feeling" between hundreds of members that followed, is a large part of what triggered our own website shutting down about 3 years ago.

It's so disgusting to contemplate, some people don't deserve to have kids

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope the Queen recogniseses the work that she does

[Cherie]

I hope the Queen recogniseses the work that she does

Doubtful :hee:

[bots]

I hope the Queen recogniseses the work that she does

Does she do a lot for lost corgi's?

[Amy Jade]

I read the Katie Hopkins article and I have to say she does make a lot of sense, I have always felt sorry for the McCanns and still do feel sorry but it's hard to have as much sympathy as I did before after reading Katie's opinions.

I have to say though I don't really understand anyone who just leaves their kids alone - when I look after my cousins son and take him to the shop I literally watch him like a hawk and he's 5, luckily he's not the sort to run off but I don't let him out of my sight at all so I really don't understand how patents leave their kids run around supermarkets alone or leave them outside a shop while they run inside as much as leaving them asleep while you leave the house

[chuff me dizzy]

Seems to be a real award..not mention of Kate or Coral though oddly :conf:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/minister-recognised-for-services-to-missing-people

2 x different awards Vicky

[LFredz]

Bit of a disgrace imo.

[Livia]

Lots of people leave their kids alone, even if it's for a few minutes. They do other stupid, endangering stuff too. My brother, when his first daughter was little, was playing with her and threw her up in the air and hit her head on the ceiling. Is he an abusive parent? No... he was beside himself with remorse and guilt for his stupidity. Luckily she was fine and he didn't have to have strangers tell him what a bad parent he is for the rest of his life. It was stupid what the McCanns did, but it's what thousands holidaymakers do every year and no one on here can argue with that, although no doubt some of you will try. Sadly, on top of having her child taken and not knowing what happened to her, some people find some kind of sick joy is sticking it to the McCanns when most of you know absolutely bugger all about the case except what you've read on the Internet.

[Jamie89]

Lots of people leave their kids alone, even if it's for a few minutes. They do other stupid, endangering stuff too. My brother, when his first daughter was little, was playing with her and threw her up in the air and hit her head on the ceiling. Is he an abusive parent? No... he was beside himself with remorse and guilt for his stupidity. Luckily she was fine and he didn't have to have strangers tell him what a bad parent he is for the rest of his life. It was stupid what the McCanns did, but it's what thousands holidaymakers do every year and no one on here can argue with that, although no doubt some of you will try. Sadly, on top of having her child taken and not knowing what happened to her, some people find some kind of sick joy is sticking it to the McCanns when most of you know absolutely bugger all about the case except what you've read on the Internet.

I really agree with this. Like, taking the case on face value, without considering any conspiracies etc and just looking at what we know (or probably more importantly, ignoring what we don't know) and so assuming that they had nothing to do with it, it is a situation that could have happened to any number of people. And that's not to justify that they left her alone, personally I think they never should have done that, and it's great in a way that so many people find it shocking that they did, but it can't be denied that a lot of parents do it. And a lot of parents will have done it the same night that Maddie went missing. So as much as it can be argued that 'it's all their own fault' because of their actions, it's also a fair argument that they were incredibly unlucky. Luck has to come into it for the simple reason that their child was taken, rather than someone elses.

[Z]

Lots of people leave their kids alone, even if it's for a few minutes. They do other stupid, endangering stuff too. My brother, when his first daughter was little, was playing with her and threw her up in the air and hit her head on the ceiling. Is he an abusive parent? No... he was beside himself with remorse and guilt for his stupidity. Luckily she was fine and he didn't have to have strangers tell him what a bad parent he is for the rest of his life. It was stupid what the McCanns did, but it's what thousands holidaymakers do every year and no one on here can argue with that, although no doubt some of you will try. Sadly, on top of having her child taken and not knowing what happened to her, some people find some kind of sick joy is sticking it to the McCanns when most of you know absolutely bugger all about the case except what you've read on the Internet.

I can see your point but ultimately I can't bring myself to agree with you; most people's stupid mistakes don't result in a missing child, a media storm, lawsuits, being uncooperative with the police, fundraising etc - these things are accountable, when they involve the public, especially on the fundraising front. I think it's a huge stretch to compare accidentally injuring your child when you're having a bit of fun with choosing to leave your children in an unlocked apartment while you go out for dinner, those are not similar scenarios, your brother didn't leave his child and came back to find her injured.

I've not seen a mass of people come out and say that they would do what the McCanns did on their holiday. I've seen people sympathise with them for their loss, I've seen people sympathise with them for making a foolish decision like that, but I've not seen people say "yeah don't worry about it I'd have done the same" - it IS stupid to leave your kids in an unlocked apartment while you go out for dinner. Would they have done that at home? I doubt it. Holiday mode madness set in. But when there were numerous options available to them, it seems maddeningly stupid. I don't agree that thousands of holidaymakers would do the same thing as them, certainly not now that this high profile case is so well known to the public - would you want to be the couple who made the same mistake as the McCanns after a decade of seeing them be vilified in the press and having no answers to where their daughter went? Nobody has anywhere near this level of vitriol for the parents of Sarah Payne, April Jones, Holly Wells, Jessica Chapman, Ben Needham, Milly Dowler... the cold lack of emotion is a factor, and so is the lack of cooperation with the police, and so is the lack of admission of guilt on their behalf (I presume because they don't want a lawsuit/court case)... that's the difference for me.

And the other thing that's always bothered me, of course, is why would a kidnapper take the toddler and not take the babies too, if they'd been planning on taking her and had been watching the property? There are far too many holes in the hypothesis for it to make any sense. I can't figure out their motivations, but it's certainly not all about finding their daughter, they've not done everything they can to do that and I find that abhorrent and I think that makes them fully accountable to the public and they deserve to be scrutinised and have people doubt their claims, because they've not done everything in their power to convince anyone otherwise. They can sue me if they want to.

[DemolitionRed]

I think the terrible thing for Maddie's parents is, there is no closure. That one stupid act not only left them without their daughter but a continuing speculation about what happened to her. I just can't imagine a nightmare worse than the one they have to live through on a day to day basis.

If I thought there was the slightest possibility of my child still being alive, I'd be doing what they are doing, which is anything to get media interest. The problem is, every time they do this it stir up refreshed hatred towards them.

[Niamh.]

I think the terrible thing for Maddie's parents is, there is no closure. That one stupid act not only left them without their daughter but a continuing speculation about what happened to her. I just can't imagine a nightmare worse than the one they have to live through on a day to day basis.

If I thought there was the slightest possibility of my child still being alive, I'd be doing what they are doing, which is anything to get media interest. The problem is, every time they do this it stir up refreshed hatred towards them.

That depends on whether or not you believe their version of events of course. There's no evidence of an abductor and the PJ originally concluded that the parents were involved but didn't have enough evidence to charge them. Ultimately, there is not enough evidence to support either theory 100% so i don't know why people get so indignant about the fact that the parents being involved is a strong possibility :shrug:

[DemolitionRed]

And the other thing that's always bothered me, of course, is why would a kidnapper take the toddler and not take the babies too, if they'd been planning on taking her and had been watching the property?

God forbid it could of been a lone pedo or a pedo ring that took her. Someone who had no interest in boys. Pedos get fixated with certain ages and certain types. The same week Maddie went missing an English guy chased a man away on the beach for trying to take photographs of his daughter who was the same age and colouring as Maddie.

She could of been taken and sold for a lot of money to a childless couple in a far away land.

[DemolitionRed]

That depends on whether or not you believe their version of events of course. There's no evidence of an abductor and the PJ originally concluded that the parents were involved but didn't have enough evidence to charge them. Ultimately, there is not enough evidence to support either theory 100% so i don't know why people get so indignant about the fact that the parents being involved is a strong possibility :shrug:

After thoroughly reading the case notes which include the repeated interviews of the parents, parents friends and possible witnesses, I just can't see how this could of been Maddie's parents.

The Portuguese investigation was a mess, detectives passed things to the British press that later turned out to be untruths.

[Niamh.]

After thoroughly reading the case notes which include the repeated interviews of the parents, parents friends and possible witnesses, I just can't see how this could of been Maddie's parents.

The Portuguese investigation was a mess, detectives passed things to the British press that later turned out to be untruths.

That's your opinion on it though, I've done quite a bit of reading on it myself and plenty of other people I've spoken to about it have done extensive research , like yourself and have the complete opposite opinion to you.

You could very well be right but equally so could they :shrug:

[Z]

God forbid it could of been a lone pedo or a pedo ring that took her. Someone who had no interest in boys. Pedos get fixated with certain ages and certain types. The same week Maddie went missing an English guy chased a man away on the beach for trying to take photographs of his daughter who was the same age and colouring as Maddie.

She could of been taken and sold for a lot of money to a childless couple in a far away land.

Let's take your scenarios then.

1) Lone paedophile. Watching the apartment, sees the parents go out for dinner and leave the door unlocked with somebody coming to check on kids every so often. Walk in after one of the checks. Is your motive personal, you want to abuse a female toddler? Alright, take just Madeleine. Tell me how they aren't at least partially to blame in this scenario? They could have easily locked the door and given the key to whichever friend was due to go check on the children.

2) Gang of paedophiles. Why would they not take all of the children? Babies grow into toddlers. There will be mixed interests within the gang, or they'll know someone who would have been into that sort of thing or had access to people trafficking avenues. If there's a group of them, carrying three small children is hardly an issue. However, more people = more chance of leaving forensic evidence, of which there seems to be none.

3) Taken and sold to a caring, upstanding family abroad. They'd have known by now who Madeleine McCann is and if you're buying your children on the black market I'm going to assume there are very particular reasons for not having children a more conventional route and that maybe there's, shock, an evil element to it.

Face it, she's not alive, it IS their fault in some way whether they want to admit it to themselves or not and if she IS still alive, I don't imagine there's any hope for her to have a normal life if she's ever found. For her sake, I hope she's dead, I would hate to think what a toddler in the clutches of a paedophile/s would have gone through over the last decade.

[Z]

And, you know, regardless of how many hypothetical paedophiles were involved, I can't imagine one/a group walking into an unlocked room with three unprotected children and going "oh, we'll just take the one." That would literally be the jackpot, why would they only take one? It makes absolutely no sense.

[Vicky.]

If someone was watching the apartment as some believe, why would they enter via the unlocked patio doors then open a window to remove the child (leaving no evidence of doing so too) when they had just entered via an unlocked door...they wouldn't have ENTERED through the window as they were watching the place and knew the door was unlocked.

As for the 'second exit' excuse that I know will come..the McCanns claim they could see the apartment from where they were. I am doubtful but lets take them at their word. Someone who had been watching would know this, so why would they open a window that the parents could see?

The party line makes no sense. Also it was the UK police who first suspected the parents..little known and doesn't fit in with the 'bumbling foreign police' line ;)

The only situation I can make work without the parents being involved in some way, is that the child woke up and wandered and was THEN either knocked down or taken by someone opportunistic. But we are told time and time again this could not possibly be the case as a nearly 4 year old who was known to get out of bed on a night (and even run and hide from her parents at times, playing)...who apparently the door was left open FOR incase she needed to get out... could not possibly have got up and walked out of the unlocked door herself :shrug:

[Z]

Yeah I think they more or less pigeon holed themselves into this farcical "someone took her!!!!" scenario in an implausible way and they're too proud to change their tune... which in itself seems to be very common among families who have lost someone, they cling to what they first think/are told is the truth... but once the facts became clear, this claim of her being taken out of the window or the place being broken into makes zero sense. Obviously I hope that they don't have anything to do with it and haven't been leading the public along a wild goose chase but there are SO many inconsistencies in their story and their unhelpful attitude compounds this image of them being a bit cold and unlikeable which is not what you want to come across as when we're talking about a missing child... JonBenet Ramsey's parents were suspected for years before they were formally cleared of suspicion and even then there are still people who think they did it. This will never go away for them and if Madeleine's dead and they somehow find the bones, there probably won't be evidence left for them to analyse so there's really nothing they can do... and how likely is it they'll recognise a teenager who used to be their toddler? Of course they will never and should never stop looking, but I'm surely not the only one who thinks there's not much point anymore... they won't be getting their baby back, they'll be getting a damaged teenage stranger who won't know them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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