sunday shopping saga -do you want shops open on sunday for longer

[waterhog]

sunday shopping saga 09.03.16



sundays are now changing

no longer are they sacred

will opening hours have more ranging

or is this idea horrid.

everyone can shop in heaven

i no a place that will never be up for let

its trading twenty four seven

where would we be with out the internet.

the superstores were crafty

transferring to smaller shops in obedience

business is now open with door drafty

the loop whole is labelled connivance.

is change need y

should shops on sunday go for longer

is "business" now just to greedy

the case for a day of rest has never been stronger.

what about the employee

has this got a contract change proposal

off the register as a evictee

are you at mercy for disposal.

is everything optional

its your choice for sunday shopping

is the business world now delusional

i'm thankful it has no apply or phone box stopping.

[user104658]

Sunday has been open-for-business in Scotland for years.

[MTVN]

Sunday has been open-for-business in Scotland for years.

Strange that the SNP are now opposing it in England and Wales then

[user104658]

Strange that the SNP are now opposing it in England and Wales then

Not really, gives us an edge if our neighbours are closed for business one day a week :hehe:

[Jay.]

no i work sundays i shan't be allowing this

[joeysteele]

No for me, shops are open enough as it is.

[Jake.]

Nope, the majority of people who work in retail based jobs have it hard enough as it is

[smudgie]

Shops and supermarkets are open long enough on a Sunday as it is.

Ban all work on Sunday..and all technology, get those jigsaws out of the loft:joker:

[Niamh.]

Shops and supermarkets are open long enough on a Sunday as it is.

Ban all work on Sunday..and all technology, get those jigsaws out of the loft:joker:

:clap2:


The only difference between Sunday opening times from Saturday here (for most shops) is that they open a couple of hours later :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

get them open

everywhere

[MTVN]

:clap2:


The only difference between Sunday opening times from Saturday here (for most shops) is that they open a couple of hours later :shrug:

Larger shops here can only open for six hours between 10am-6pm so most do 10-4

[bots]

it should just be a standard day

[Niamh.]

Larger shops here can only open for six hours between 10am-6pm so most do 10-4

Does that apply to Supermarkets as well? The Supermarket we shop at opens from 10am-8pm on a Sunday

[Livia]

I remember when I was a kid, my parents would take us to the park on Sundays, or a museum, or out into the country. Now it seems like parents take their kids shopping.

[Niamh.]

I remember when I was a kid, my parents would take us to the park on Sundays, or a museum, or out into the country. Now it seems like parents take their kids shopping.

Yeah, I think closing shops down for one day a week would be a good thing, just to give everyone (employees and shoppers alike) a break from all that commercialism

[billy123]

Sunday is just another day anybody opposed to treating Sundays exactly the same as a Tuesday or a Saturday needs to get over it they arent being forced to choose between going to a shop or a park.
Do whatever you want to on whatever day you want to do it.
If people want to hold it as a religious day of rest or whatever nobody is stopping them and if people want to get their shopping done then nobody should stop them either.

[Livia]

Yeah, I think closing shops down for one day a week would be a good thing, just to give everyone (employees and shoppers alike) a break from all that commercialism

Yeah, I agree. Sunday's lost it's religious connotation for many but I think it can still be a special day without that.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I agree. Sunday's lost it's religious connotation for many but I think it can still be a special day without that.

Yeah it's not about it being religious at all for me, just a day for people to leave the rat race behind and just stop for a little while

[MTVN]

Does that apply to Supermarkets as well? The Supermarket we shop at opens from 10am-8pm on a Sunday

The big ones yeah, small ones aren't bound by it but any decent size supermarket will probably be closed by 4

[bots]

Yeah, I agree. Sunday's lost it's religious connotation for many but I think it can still be a special day without that.

its not a special day though, or shouldn't be if religion is disregarded.

Everyone should be able to designate a family day whenever they want, providing timetables align - why does it have to be a Sunday, why not Saturday, if the majority are off then too?

The nanny state can **** off.

[Livia]

Yeah it's not about it being religious at all for me, just a day for people to leave the rat race behind and just stop for a little while

Saturday's my Sabbath, so I'm properly sunk as far as closing the shops goes!

[Livia]

its not a special day though, or shouldn't be if religion is disregarded.

Everyone should be able to designate a family day whenever they want, providing timetables align - why does it have to be a Sunday, why not Saturday, if the majority are off then too?

The nanny state can **** off.

No one's stopping you. It's just that the vast majority of people have Sunday off. I couldn't give a toss when people's special day is...but I think everyone could benefit from having one and opening the shops longer on Sundays isn't conducive to that, I reckon.

[Niamh.]

The big ones yeah, small ones aren't bound by it but any decent size supermarket will probably be closed by 4

Oh we must not have that law here then (for Supermarkets anyway) cos that one I use is one of our biggest chains

[billy123]

Do the vast majority of people have Sundays off?

[Niamh.]

its not a special day though, or shouldn't be if religion is disregarded.

Everyone should be able to designate a family day whenever they want, providing timetables align - why does it have to be a Sunday, why not Saturday, if the majority are off then too?

The nanny state can **** off.

No one's stopping you. It's just that the vast majority of people have Sunday off. I couldn't give a toss when people's special day is...but I think everyone could benefit from having one and opening the shops longer on Sundays isn't conducive to that, I reckon.

Yeah what Livia said really, it's not so much a "nanny" state telling everyone what they can and can't do, it's more to protect the people who work in retail from the money hunger big companies working them every hour of the day :shrug:

[Niamh.]

Do the vast majority of people have Sundays off?

I would say so yeah. The company I work at is only open Mon-Fri. And my husband only works Mon-Fri also

[bots]

I come from a background where Sundays were an enforced "family" day. Where as a child I wasn't allowed to go out and see friends. I resented that enforcement then, and I still look back at it with contempt. It did nothing to bring the family together. It artificially forced an environment that should be allowed to occur naturally or not at all. Family days should occur by choice, not because its a Sunday.

[Niamh.]

I come from a background where Sundays were an enforced "family" day. Where as a child I wasn't allowed to go out and see friends. I resented that enforcement then, and I still look back at it with contempt. It did nothing to bring the family together. It artificially forced an environment that should be allowed to occur naturally or not at all. Family days should occur by choice, not because its a Sunday.

I do get what you're saying but my fear is that if shops decide they're opening 24 hours a day 7 days a week, then will that then creep into other companies that normally close at weekends and then there will be no distinction between weekend and weekday and people will no longer have weekends off to spend with their families cos everyones times off will clash etc etc I love my weekends off :worry:

[billy123]

I just find it really strange that anybody looks as sundays at some kind of special day where the rules should be different it seems so old fashioned and outdated.

[Northern Monkey]

I think aslong as it is an optional working day for workers and they are paid overtime if they choose to work it then fine.

[Northern Monkey]

I do get what you're saying but my fear is that if shops decide they're opening 24 hours a day 7 days a week, then will that then creep into other companies that normally close at weekends and then there will be no distinction between weekend and weekday and people will no longer have weekends off to spend with their families cos everyones times off will clash etc etc I love my weekends off :worry:

This too^

[Niamh.]

I just find it really strange that anybody looks as sundays at some kind of special day where the rules should be different it seems so old fashioned and outdated.

It's nothing to do with the religious aspect of it for me, it's just trying to hang on to "time off" days at the weekend really

[Amy Jade]

I think they should keep to the hours they have now, I work Sundays in a shop until 4pm and after I spend time with my family, I appreciate going home at 4pm so u can spend a few hours with them and have a family Sunday dinner.

I am one of the new girls and the youngest on the department I work on so I will be the one who has to change to the later hours :(

[Amy Jade]

Also people have 6 hours to shop and in the store I work in, Monday - Friday it is 24 hours so 4 more hours a week doesn't seem like much to a casual shopper but to a worker it's possibly the only day in their week that they go home before dark.

[user104658]

I think aslong as it is an optional working day for workers and they are paid overtime if they choose to work it then fine.

:joker: I work 14 hours (8.30am - 10.30pm) every second Sunday (not optional) and don't get paid a penny over standard rate for it. Welcome to the future!

[Amy Jade]

I think aslong as it is an optional working day for workers and they are paid overtime if they choose to work it then fine.

That won't happen, it will be standard pay.

[arista]

Yes Hog
it was debate Live on radio5
Great debate
one fella said its 2016
Everything changes its normal.

Any workers doing the Sunday shift will have Weds off.
For Example Hog

[arista]

I just find it really strange that anybody looks as sundays at some kind of special day where the rules should be different it seems so old fashioned and outdated.


yes Bob

its just another day

[Crimson Dynamo]

we should all work sundays and just have saturday as an optional holiday, schools also should be open on sundays

also reduce holiday leave to 2 weeks maximum

[Cherie]

Strange that the SNP are now opposing it in England and Wales then


:umm2: hypocrites they are part of the reason we gave a conservative government as Labour in bed with this lot would have been a nightmare

[Cherie]

Longer hours would be fine if current staff are happy to do the hours, if not then new staff with new contracts should be hired. Personally I think they are open long enough and I rarely shop on Sunday

[Niamh.]

we should all work sundays and just have saturday as an optional holiday, schools also should be open on sundays

also reduce holiday leave to 2 weeks maximum

:omgno:

no no no

[arista]

Longer hours would be fine if current staff are happy to do the hours, if not then new staff with new contracts should be hired. Personally I think they are open long enough and I rarely shop on Sunday


You may once they get longer hours in Big Stores

[Cherie]

we should all work sundays and just have saturday as an optional holiday, schools also should be open on sundays

also reduce holiday leave to 2 weeks maximum


You are not big on family time are you LT, the mini LTs playing up are they :laugh:

[Cherie]

You may once they get longer hours in Big Stores

Some stores seem short staffed as it is though Arista

[Crimson Dynamo]

You are not big on family time are you LT, the mini LTs playing up are they :laugh:

funnily enough largest girl LT was just texting me last night saying she had not seen me for ages

:think:

[Cherie]

funnily enough largest girl LT was just texting me last night saying she had not seen me for ages

:think:

I knew it :fist: Neglected :bawling:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I knew it :fist: Neglected :bawling:

I saw her at Christmas :fist:

[arista]

Some stores seem short staffed as it is though Arista

See the Manager

I do.

[user104658]

Some stores seem short staffed as it is though Arista

They're not "short staffed", they're deliberately understaffed to save money (at the expense of half decent customer service).

[Cherie]

See the Manager

I do.

Yes I must

[arista]

Yes I must



Thats The Spirit
Fine Lady

[Northern Monkey]

:joker: I work 14 hours (8.30am - 10.30pm) every second Sunday (not optional) and don't get paid a penny over standard rate for it. Welcome to the future!
Yeah but you're the gaffer are'nt you?You probs get a nice hefty salary:laugh:

Many moons ago when i worked in retail it was double time on a Sunday and only a 6 hour shift so there was incentive to work it.

[user104658]

Yeah but you're the gaffer are'nt you?You probs get a nice hefty salary:laugh:

You are misinformed of the financial situation of retail management :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

when was wee no shops were open

there was no internet
no phones
no computers
the only thing on tv was worzel gummage and the antiques roadshow


we just used to wander off in the morning and comeback at teatime, all you could do was smoke, fight, throw stones, search for hedge porn and light things on fire


:flutter:

[DemolitionRed]

Where we live in France, everything is closed on a Sunday and the church bells ring out all day long, so even if your not religious, you're constantly reminded you should be.

I never go shopping on a Sunday in the UK, not that I'm religious but because I've always been in the habit of planning a family day. Its just an 'us' sort of day I suppose and anyway, by 4pm I'm starting to prepare a family roast and a jam roly poly with custard. :angel:

[user104658]

Where we live in France, everything is closed on a Sunday and the church bells ring out all day long, so even if your not religious, you're constantly reminded you should be.

I never go shopping on a Sunday in the UK, not that I'm religious but because I've always been in the habit of planning a family day. Its just an 'us' sort of day I suppose and anyway, by 4pm I'm starting to prepare a family roast and a jam roly poly with custard. :angel:

When I lived in France for 3 months (with my then-fiancée, in her University halls on her year abroad) the town was totally shut down all weekend to the extent that if you didn't have food in, you were basically screwed. No church bells though... instead... every two weeks, they would test the air raid sirens! I liked to pretend it was the apocalypse :laugh:.

[Shaun]

I don't really have any preference, should be up to the stores themselves I suppose but then that's opening employees up to all sorts of unmanageable hours. As a consumer I don't particularly care about shops closing early/totally on Sunday as I've enough experience of preparing for that eventuality :laugh:

[Niamh.]

When I lived in France for 3 months (with my then-fiancée, in her University halls on her year abroad) the town was totally shut down all weekend to the extent that if you didn't have food in, you were basically screwed. No church bells though... instead... every two weeks, they would test the air raid sirens! I liked to pretend it was the apocalypse :laugh:.

They do the same in Spain (obviously not the holiday/tourist spots)

[DemolitionRed]

When I lived in France for 3 months (with my then-fiancée, in her University halls on her year abroad) the town was totally shut down all weekend to the extent that if you didn't have food in, you were basically screwed. No church bells though... instead... every two weeks, they would test the air raid sirens! I liked to pretend it was the apocalypse :laugh:.

I pretend that sometimes when I'm in bed on the boat and the winds howling. Gives me some sort of sick comfort :hehe:

[arista]

Where we live in France, everything is closed on a Sunday and the church bells ring out all day long, so even if your not religious, you're constantly reminded you should be.

I never go shopping on a Sunday in the UK, not that I'm religious but because I've always been in the habit of planning a family day. Its just an 'us' sort of day I suppose and anyway, by 4pm I'm starting to prepare a family roast and a jam roly poly with custard. :angel:


Yes I have been in France
Sundays - bad days in France
The Fecking Bells

[user104658]

They do the same in Spain (obviously not the holiday/tourist spots)

Yeah it was a non-touristy area. No one spoke English and I lived in fear of getting "lost" like a toddler, as whilst my wife is a fluent French speaker, my French is... err... basic, at best :joker:

"Playyys haaalp"

http://i68.tinypic.com/6rjyid.jpg

[arista]

When I lived in France for 3 months (with my then-fiancée, in her University halls on her year abroad) the town was totally shut down all weekend to the extent that if you didn't have food in, you were basically screwed. No church bells though... instead... every two weeks, they would test the air raid sirens! I liked to pretend it was the apocalypse :laugh:.


How Nice

[arista]

Hog
all reports are saying they will not get enough votes
Fecking SNP backing Labour
so no change this time.

[Niamh.]

Yeah it was a non-touristy area. No one spoke English and I lived in fear of getting "lost" like a toddler, as whilst my wife is a fluent French speaker, my French is... err... basic, at best :joker:

"Playyys haaalp"

http://i68.tinypic.com/6rjyid.jpg

One time me and my husband got the ferry to Roscoff and drove all the way through France into Spain. We went out for dinner in some town in France and neither of us spoke much french so i had this translator thing I'd bought in Lidl and started entering words from the menu, first one was "Slide" second one was "backpacker" .............:worry:

[Kizzy]

You are misinformed of the financial situation of retail management :hehe:

Lidl, you need to work in lidl.
Work in lidl buy your house, there I just sorted your life for you...now you sort mine






PLEASE!!!!!

[Northern Monkey]

When I lived in France for 3 months (with my then-fiancée, in her University halls on her year abroad) the town was totally shut down all weekend to the extent that if you didn't have food in, you were basically screwed. No church bells though... instead... every two weeks, they would test the air raid sirens! I liked to pretend it was the apocalypse :laugh:.
Sounds more fun than when i was in Egypt and you heard all the yabbering from the mosques at high volumes five times a day.I did'nt like to let my imagination run wild with that going on:laugh:

[DemolitionRed]

Sounds more fun than when i was in Egypt and you heard all the yabbering from the mosques at high volumes five times a day.I did'nt like to let my imagination run wild with that going on:laugh:

Now that's funny :laugh2:

[arista]

Hog Live On SkyNewsHD

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00OH4W2M4?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00

not enough votes for it
so No Change.

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/3/9/451722/default/v1/cegrab-20160309-180106-619-1-736x414.jpg
Some Conservative / SNP and Labour all voted No Change to Sundays,

[Cherie]

So the SNP voted against, not to protect workers but to protect the pay rates in Scotland :umm2:

[Kizzy]

Shame tory MPs chose this vote to rebel at and not the ESA vote :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

So the SNP voted against, not to protect workers but to protect the pay rates in Scotland :umm2:

how dare they represent scottish interests

[Cherie]

how dare they represent scottish interests


I wish Scotland had managed to get enough support for an out vote, sick of Scotland getting special treatment, the latest is that you lot should get your pension earlier than the rest of the UK as you don't live as long, it's not our fault ye live on deep fried mars bars :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wish Scotland had managed to get enough support for an out vote, sick of Scotland getting special treatment, the latest is that you lot should get your pension earlier than the rest of the UK as you don't live as long, it's not our fault ye live on deep fried mars bars :idc:

free prescriptions and no uni fees

:hee:

[Cherie]

free prescriptions and no uni fees

:hee:


Free loaders :hee:

[Northern Monkey]

Now that's funny :laugh2:

I have my moments

[Kizzy]

I have my moments

Whens the next, shall I keep 2018 free? :smug:

[MTVN]

I don't see why it would affect the pay in Scotland anyway seeing as trading laws are devolved and that has meant Scottish workers do enjoy the premium pay on Sundays. If Holyrood could ensure that was the case before then why would a minor change to the law in England and Wales make them unable to do so?

And re the 'tough on retail workers' thing, well retail jobs are set to fall massively over the next few years, allowing Sunday trading would actually reverse that trend and either mean that more jobs become available or at least offer extra hours to those who want it. And in general it would mean busier high streets and more business for retailers and those are clearly positive if you're concerned about retail workers

[joeysteele]

I am glad it was defeated,clearly the SNP had their reasons and they must have been valid as to some crossover for them to be able to.

I think the Govt should realise it was a Conservative MP who brought this amendment,David Burrowes, and good on him for doing so to in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

Retail is set to fall massively...Just what industry sectors will there be to provide jobs in the future? :/

[kirklancaster]

:joker: I work 14 hours (8.30am - 10.30pm) every second Sunday (not optional) and don't get paid a penny over standard rate for it. Welcome to the future!

:shrug: How do the bookmaker chains get away with this T.S.?

I suspect rules for Management might be different than for non-Managerial staff, but surely Sunday working is still overtime?

I'm no longer au fait with this subject now, but this isn't right in my book.

[user104658]

:shrug: How do the bookmaker chains get away with this T.S.?

I suspect rules for Management might be different than for non-Managerial staff, but surely Sunday working is still overtime?

I'm no longer au fait with this subject now, but this isn't right in my book.
It's the same for all staff, it's simply written into the contract. It was written into my contract before I ever started there, staff who have been there longer were paid off (between 1 and 4000 each) to sign away their double time Sundays. That happened a few months before I started so when I was a newbie I was hearing all about their holidays :joker:.

I get 1.5x for anything over 39 hours in a week, but that's not standard either, I've just held my ground on signing it away. They're not even offering financial incentive. Basically it was all part of the same deal as double Sundays but some quirk in the system because of when I started with the company meant I slipped through the net :joker:. I'm one of only two staff members in the region who still have it. Makes me feel speshal :hee:. They send me a "YOU MUST SIGN AND RETURN" letter every year or so but nothing happens when I bin it :shrug:.

[kirklancaster]

It's the same for all staff, it's simply written into the contract. It was written into my contract before I ever started there, staff who have been there longer were paid off (between 1 and 4000 each) to sign away their double time Sundays. That happened a few months before I started so when I was a newbie I was hearing all about their holidays :joker:.

I get 1.5x for anything over 39 hours in a week, but that's not standard either, I've just held my ground on signing it away. They're not even offering financial incentive. Basically it was all part of the same deal as double Sundays but some quirk in the system because of when I started with the company meant I slipped through the net :joker:. I'm one of only two staff members in the region who still have it. Makes me feel speshal :hee:. They send me a "YOU MUST SIGN AND RETURN" letter every year or so but nothing happens when I bin it :shrug:.

:laugh: Good for you mate. Before I was self-employed when I worked for others, all overtime was paid at time and a half and double time for Sundays and Bank Holidays.

It's disgusting now.

[user104658]

[emoji23] Good for you mate. Before I was self-employed when I worked for others, all overtime was paid at time and a half and double time for Sundays and Bank Holidays.

It's disgusting now.
It seems like this was pretty standard up until maybe 6/7 years ago. All changed now though. In many ways I miss my old student job as a "chef" (of delicious burgers, bangers and mash, and macaroni cheese) - could choose my own hours (as many or as few as I wanted), double time Sundays, 1.5x public holidays... I once worked a 12 hour shift on Easter Sunday, 3x pay, and it was of course easter break in a student bar... Everyone had gone home for the week. I made 4 burgers all day, and read a book. Score! No paid holidays or sick days but yeah... Simpler times...

[waterhog]

It seems like this was pretty standard up until maybe 6/7 years ago. All changed now though. In many ways I miss my old student job as a "chef" (of delicious burgers, bangers and mash, and macaroni cheese) - could choose my own hours (as many or as few as I wanted), double time Sundays, 1.5x public holidays... I once worked a 12 hour shift on Easter Sunday, 3x pay, and it was of course easter break in a student bar... Everyone had gone home for the week. I made 4 burgers all day, and read a book. Score! No paid holidays or sick days but yeah... Simpler times...


that was cushyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy:cheer2:

[smudgie]

This is the biggest disadvantage of making Sunday an ordinary working day. The loss of the enhancements.
They have tried (and failed) many a time to take different enhancements away from hubby over the years, he gets half a shift for a quick return..well as they now do 12 hours shifts most overtime covers this, double time on a Saturday night shift..Golden nugget shift, they get 32 hours for it. Time and a half any other overtime.
As more people have started working on a Sunday..and even some Saturday work, the pay just remains the same hourly rate.

[Kizzy]

Once out of the EU and their protections for workers everyone will be on 0hr minimum wage jobs 24/7.
And many have bent over and readily accepted it.

[user104658]

Once out of the EU and their protections for workers everyone will be on 0hr minimum wage jobs 24/7.
And many have bent over and readily accepted it.

I don't know that that's necessarily true, 0 hour contracts are possible and already exist and most companies in most situations choose not to use them. In "high staff" situations like a supermarket, yes, but (for example) a place like mine with only 6 permanent staff (two of those part-time) it's beneficial to have people contracted into a set number of obligated hours. Otherwise, as soon as one or two people decide they don't want to work many hours that week (and they are not contractually obligated to work), you have a major staffing issue.

It is already the case, however, that for non-management grades they would prefer to have a larger number of staff on 20 or 25 hour contracts than a smaller staff all on 40. This is basically, purely and simply, because it's much easier to cover holidays and sickness if you only need to replace half of the hours. Never mind that 20 hours of employment is wholly unsuitable for most people seeking, of course.

[Kizzy]

I don't know that that's necessarily true, 0 hour contracts are possible and already exist and most companies in most situations choose not to use them. In "high staff" situations like a supermarket, yes, but (for example) a place like mine with only 6 permanent staff (two of those part-time) it's beneficial to have people contracted into a set number of obligated hours. Otherwise, as soon as one or two people decide they don't want to work many hours that week (and they are not contractually obligated to work), you have a major staffing issue.

It is already the case, however, that for non-management grades they would prefer to have a larger number of staff on 20 or 25 hour contracts than a smaller staff all on 40. This is basically, purely and simply, because it's much easier to cover holidays and sickness if you only need to replace half of the hours. Never mind that 20 hours of employment is wholly unsuitable for most people seeking, of course.

It will become true, the amount of people on these contracts is growing exponentially over 800,000 now across many sectors, Regular contracted hours with securities, holidays, sick pay, overtime and/or increments are becoming a thing of the past.

[Sticks]

I just wonder how far the private members bill being introduced by Ebrill Cyntaf MP, Conservative Member for Downton in Wiltshire next Friday will get. That is the "Prohibition of Online Sunday Trading Bill"

The idea is that there is an anomaly in the law, whereby stores are restricted in when they can open and what they can sell, such as they can sell a pornographic magazine, but not a Bible, but online retailers are there 24/7 selling anything and everything. If the reports are correct, this bill if passed will close that loophole by outlawing online trading in the UK on Sundays. Sites will be required to close down, and the Bacs system dealing with credit and debit cards will be banned from authorising any online payments on a Sunday.

Needless to say Amazon would be opposed to this, but they are not above the law. The government were going to oppose this but after the rebellion by the conservative rebels, of which Ebrill Cyntaf MP was one, the rumour is that they are going to support it on the QT as a deal to head off future rebellions on other more important votes.

We also hear rumours that the SNP may be backing this, as not to do so might put workers pay at risk in Scotland. Not sure what the Labour Party position is on this, but one suspects that Unison may order them behind the scenes to support this bill, as online trading on a Sunday is costing shop workers jobs.

As for the house of Lords, expect it to get a fair wind there, with the Bishops all in favour, or to be more accurate, unable to justify not voting for it.

So it looks like shopping on line on a Sunday may be a thing of the past

I realise this is an erosion of our civil liberties, so time is short, and you may need to lobby you MP to vote against the "Prohibition of Online Sunday Trading Bill"next Friday at first reading

[DemolitionRed]

You can't force people who have an online shop to re-design their software so that people can't purchase on a Sunday and anyway, most big stores, the ones with the Sunday trading restrictions, have online stores. If I can't go to M&S after 4pm on a Sunday, I can go to M&S online and buy something.

If I can't buy from an English online shop, I can buy from a French one or are they going to stop foreign websites too?!

[Kizzy]

I doubt it'll get past first reading.

[Sticks]

If I can't buy from an English online shop, I can buy from a French one or are they going to stop foreign websites too?!

Seems that was thought of, unless one has a foreign bank account, which I don't

the Bacs system dealing with credit and debit cards will be banned from authorising any online payments on a Sunday

Maybe you can try and get in touch Ebrill Cyntaf MP at her constituency office in Downton in Wiltshire, for whatever that is worth, but I don't think it will do any good. When I ran this idea past someone at work who had spoken up against Sunday trading, she was in agreement with it. :shocked:

[DemolitionRed]

Seems that was thought of, unless one has a foreign bank account, which I don't



Maybe you can try and get in touch Ebrill Cyntaf MP at her constituency office in Downton in Wiltshire, for whatever that is worth, but I don't think it will do any good. When I ran this idea past someone at work who had spoken up against Sunday trading, she was in agreement with it. :shocked:

It doesn't bother me to be honest but I do have a French bank account so if I really felt the need to spend money on a Sunday, I'd use that.

[arista]

"Needless to say Amazon would be opposed to this,"


Amazon are soon to Deliver Morrison's Food
some same day
so Sticks
Online and on Street Shopping are Connected

[arista]

"Ebrill Cyntaf MP, Conservative Member for Downton in Wiltshire"

His Bill
is a joke.
Not Even on the Main News


Why bother wasting words on a Dead topic?


Sticks
we have so many more threads that need your Sharp Input

[arista]

I doubt it'll get past first reading.


Bang On Right

[arista]

"So it looks like shopping on line on a Sunday may be a thing of the past"


No it does look like that
Many folks never go near a Church.
You seem to be stuck in a Vision from the long past.


All the Workers on our Current Sunday Shops
need to get paid .


Sticks wants people to lose their homes?

Not in Our Lifetime

Sunday Shopping is Staying Forever
and so it should

The Church Is Dead

[user104658]

I just wonder how far the private members bill being introduced by Ebrill Cyntaf MP, Conservative Member for Downton in Wiltshire next Friday will get. That is the "Prohibition of Online Sunday Trading Bill"

The idea is that there is an anomaly in the law, whereby stores are restricted in when they can open and what they can sell, such as they can sell a pornographic magazine, but not a Bible, but online retailers are there 24/7 selling anything and everything. If the reports are correct, this bill if passed will close that loophole by outlawing online trading in the UK on Sundays. Sites will be required to close down, and the Bacs system dealing with credit and debit cards will be banned from authorising any online payments on a Sunday.

Needless to say Amazon would be opposed to this, but they are not above the law. The government were going to oppose this but after the rebellion by the conservative rebels, of which Ebrill Cyntaf MP was one, the rumour is that they are going to support it on the QT as a deal to head off future rebellions on other more important votes.

We also hear rumours that the SNP may be backing this, as not to do so might put workers pay at risk in Scotland. Not sure what the Labour Party position is on this, but one suspects that Unison may order them behind the scenes to support this bill, as online trading on a Sunday is costing shop workers jobs.

As for the house of Lords, expect it to get a fair wind there, with the Bishops all in favour, or to be more accurate, unable to justify not voting for it.

So it looks like shopping on line on a Sunday may be a thing of the past

I realise this is an erosion of our civil liberties, so time is short, and you may need to lobby you MP to vote against the "Prohibition of Online Sunday Trading Bill"next Friday at first reading

There is effectively zero chance of this actually happening.

[bots]

There is effectively zero chance of this actually happening.

Its unenforceable. To be able to do as suggested they would have to disable all credit/debit card transactions on a Sunday. So, no paying for food, petrol etc. No withdrawals from atm's etc. Cloud cuckoo land :joker:

[Sticks]

So nobody thought to Google the name of the MP or the constituency? As a hint run her name through Google translate and then check how long the parliamentary Easter recess is for. Finally, what date is next Friday?

Oh I almost forgot, next Friday will be Internet Spring Cleaning day :D

[MTVN]

Well played Sticks, you even had arista raging at Mr Cyntaf bringing in this joke of a bill

[Kizzy]

I thought it was a Welsh name! :joker: I thought oh there really is a place called Downton, I thought they made that up, well done Sticks! ;)

[user104658]

Its unenforceable. To be able to do as suggested they would have to disable all credit/debit card transactions on a Sunday. So, no paying for food, petrol etc. No withdrawals from atm's etc. Cloud cuckoo land :joker:
The entire prospect is crazy, taking an entire days online trading EVERY WEEK out of the economy would cost billions... I mean... Considering online shopping is higher at weekends than weekdays... It's literally chopping a good 20% off of online turnover for every single company. Quite possibly more.

[user104658]

So nobody thought to Google the name of the MP or the constituency? As a hint run her name through Google translate and then check how long the parliamentary Easter recess is for. Finally, what date is next Friday?

Oh I almost forgot, next Friday will be Internet Spring Cleaning day :D
I'm pretty sure you get bad luck forever if you pull an April fools at any time before April 1st or at any time after noon on the day...

Playing with fire there. You might as well break all of your mirrors and leave all of your shoes on the table right now, it couldn't get any worse.

[Sticks]

Okay there were a number of things that should have tipped some off that things were not as they seemed, but before that, Toy Soldier's point about being early

I'm pretty sure you get bad luck forever if you pull an April fools at any time before April 1st or at any time after noon on the day...

Playing with fire there. You might as well break all of your mirrors and leave all of your shoes on the table right now, it couldn't get any worse.

In my last missive I reference the infamous Internet Spring Cleaning day jape, (If you have not heard of it see here (http://www.snopes.com/holidays/aprilfools/cleaning.asp)) The only way that one would work on the mark would be to run it a few days early. In my one I did not think it would have worked as well if it was sprung on the actual day.

Now on to the bits that were the less than obvious clues as to the nature of the piece.

First of all, so I don't do all the work here, pull up Google Translate (https://translate.google.co.uk/?hl=en&tab=qT) and run Ebrill Cyntaf through it, with detect language on to translate to English. See what you get. In a number of these pieces, that phrase, or similar, is hidden in there somewhere, sometimes as an anagram.

While on the subject of this MP, if you google the name of a real MP, you should at least get their constituency website, or their entry on the main website for their political party. Now I said she was a conservative, so if she had been real you would have got it. Google her name and you will not get anything like that, but you do get some Welsh Language pages, another clue?

Next, the constituency of Downton in Wiltshire. Actually there is such a place, it is actually referred to a Downton Village (See here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downton,_Wiltshire) for it's Wikepedia entry) Downton was a parliamentary constituency but only until 1832 when it was abolished by the Great Reform Act of 1832. Prior to that Downton was seen as a Rotten Borough (Read about it here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downton,_Wiltshire)). Downton today is part of the Salisbury parliamentary constituency, represented by John Glen, a Conservative MP, (So I got that one right about the political party holding the seat :joker:)

Next one, if the marks had been taken in, then they would have travelled to lobby against this bill only to find the place closed next Friday. A quick look at the website for the House of Commons here (http://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/business-faq-page/recess-dates/) would show that the House is in recess next Friday!

As for the bill itself? Private members bills are indeed discussed on Fridays, but if you went to the what's on section of the Parliament website here (http://calendar.parliament.uk/calendar/Commons/All/2016/4/1/Daily) you would find no reference on that date to any commons business

And of course what is the date next Friday? The most obvious clue :dance:

So was any of this real?

Well one thing was, I did indeed sarcastically float this idea to a colleague at work who was going on against Sunday trading, and she did agree with the idea of banning online Sunday trading, I can only assume she did not realise I was being sarcastic. I remember a few years back when we had that ban on taking liquids on to aeroplanes and in a queue at a pizza place I suggested to a guy that as liquids could be soaked into clothing, perhaps, I said sarcastically but with a straight face, that we should all fly naked. His reply was "If that's what it takes"

:eek: There are some people out there who are completely gullible and will swallow anything no matter how ludicrous. Mentioning no names :joker:

So I hope this has taught you something, I am a devious little so and so? Apart from that

Always be sceptical - Always check things out!

So getting back to the original subject of this thread, I come to the position that those of us in Christendom by insisting on these ridiculous Sunday trading regulations have shot ourselves in the foot, and it hardly wins hearts and minds does it if we come across as imposing our beliefs on others. I would also point out, that these restrictions come from the commandment about the Sabbath, but that was actually the last day of the week, Saturday! Sunday is the first day of the week and if you examine the New Testament you will find that of the 10 commandments, only one was never copied into the new covenant, the Sabbath rule.

What those who insist on this "Sabbath" fail to remember is that when gentiles were admitted to the early church most of them would have been slaves, and therefore unlikely to have had special dispensation to take one day off a week.

[arista]

Well played Sticks, you even had arista raging at Mr Cyntaf bringing in this joke of a bill



Shocking

[DemolitionRed]

Damn and I told people at work about this!!

[Sticks]

Damn and I told people at work about this!!

quod erat demonstrandum

Or to quote from the Russian, doveryai no proverya

[DemolitionRed]

I think I'll wait till April 1st!

[Sticks]

I think I'll wait till April 1st!

Am wondering how many of your colleagues will share this on social media without thinking.

Maybe it could go viral :colour: :elephant:

[reece(:]

My local Tesco is open until 11pm on a Sunday anyway so idc

[user104658]

Okay there were a number of things that should have tipped some off that things were not as they seemed, but before that, Toy Soldier's point about being early



In my last missive I reference the infamous Internet Spring Cleaning day jape, (If you have not heard of it see here (http://www.snopes.com/holidays/aprilfools/cleaning.asp)) The only way that one would work on the mark would be to run it a few days early. In my one I did not think it would have worked as well if it was sprung on the actual day.

Now on to the bits that were the less than obvious clues as to the nature of the piece.

First of all, so I don't do all the work here, pull up Google Translate (https://translate.google.co.uk/?hl=en&tab=qT) and run Ebrill Cyntaf through it, with detect language on to translate to English. See what you get. In a number of these pieces, that phrase, or similar, is hidden in there somewhere, sometimes as an anagram.

While on the subject of this MP, if you google the name of a real MP, you should at least get their constituency website, or their entry on the main website for their political party. Now I said she was a conservative, so if she had been real you would have got it. Google her name and you will not get anything like that, but you do get some Welsh Language pages, another clue?

Next, the constituency of Downton in Wiltshire. Actually there is such a place, it is actually referred to a Downton Village (See here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downton,_Wiltshire) for it's Wikepedia entry) Downton was a parliamentary constituency but only until 1832 when it was abolished by the Great Reform Act of 1832. Prior to that Downton was seen as a Rotten Borough (Read about it here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downton,_Wiltshire)). Downton today is part of the Salisbury parliamentary constituency, represented by John Glen, a Conservative MP, (So I got that one right about the political party holding the seat :joker:)

Next one, if the marks had been taken in, then they would have travelled to lobby against this bill only to find the place closed next Friday. A quick look at the website for the House of Commons here (http://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/business-faq-page/recess-dates/) would show that the House is in recess next Friday!

As for the bill itself? Private members bills are indeed discussed on Fridays, but if you went to the what's on section of the Parliament website here (http://calendar.parliament.uk/calendar/Commons/All/2016/4/1/Daily) you would find no reference on that date to any commons business

And of course what is the date next Friday? The most obvious clue :dance:

So was any of this real?

Well one thing was, I did indeed sarcastically float this idea to a colleague at work who was going on against Sunday trading, and she did agree with the idea of banning online Sunday trading, I can only assume she did not realise I was being sarcastic. I remember a few years back when we had that ban on taking liquids on to aeroplanes and in a queue at a pizza place I suggested to a guy that as liquids could be soaked into clothing, perhaps, I said sarcastically but with a straight face, that we should all fly naked. His reply was "If that's what it takes"

:eek: There are some people out there who are completely gullible and will swallow anything no matter how ludicrous. Mentioning no names :joker:

So I hope this has taught you something, I am a devious little so and so? Apart from that

Always be sceptical - Always check things out!

So getting back to the original subject of this thread, I come to the position that those of us in Christendom by insisting on these ridiculous Sunday trading regulations have shot ourselves in the foot, and it hardly wins hearts and minds does it if we come across as imposing our beliefs on others. I would also point out, that these restrictions come from the commandment about the Sabbath, but that was actually the last day of the week, Saturday! Sunday is the first day of the week and if you examine the New Testament you will find that of the 10 commandments, only one was never copied into the new covenant, the Sabbath rule.

What those who insist on this "Sabbath" fail to remember is that when gentiles were admitted to the early church most of them would have been slaves, and therefore unlikely to have had special dispensation to take one day off a week.
And you would have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for those pesky kids.

[DemolitionRed]

Am wondering how many of your colleagues will share this on social media without thinking.

Maybe it could go viral :colour: :elephant:

:hehe:

[Sticks]

Damn and I told people at work about this!!

So are your colleagues all set to go and lobby parliament or have they caught on :whistle: