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Crimson Dynamo
10-03-2016, 05:36 PM
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'Islam hates us': Donald Trump says invasion of Iraq was the 'worst decision in US history' and turned the Arab nation into the 'Harvard of terrorism'
Donald Trump said invading Iraq was the 'worst decision in history'
He described former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein as a 'terrorist hunter'
He said since Saddam's execution, Iraq is now the 'Harvard of Terrorism'
Trump made the comments during an interview with Anderson Cooper
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DaveinHants, Winchester, 4 hours ago
Sorry, but hes right.
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Glenn.
10-03-2016, 05:41 PM
I wouldn't say its strictly incorrect. That's all I'm prepared to say on the matter.
arista
10-03-2016, 05:49 PM
Yes Extreme Islamic's do
Northern Monkey
10-03-2016, 05:55 PM
Islamists hate us that's for sure.I would'nt say all muslims do though unless they do it secretly.
Loving the controversial LT threads as of late.I think this may be atleast a ten pager.
DemolitionRed
10-03-2016, 06:14 PM
I totally agree with Trump about this. I'm very aware that Trump stood firmly against the Iraq invasion and he claims that if he gets in, he will be pulling out of Syria. One thing Trump isn't is a war mongerer. He's an American nationalist which means he will never want to be dragged into dropping bombs in far away places.
The problem I have is, he blames America for what is now happening in the middle east but at the same time, refuses to take responsibility when he claims he will turn away those fleeing from war.
Kazanne
10-03-2016, 06:25 PM
He's right,they do hate us ,as shown by them on numerous occasions.
Northern Monkey
10-03-2016, 06:25 PM
I totally agree with Trump about this. I'm very aware that Trump stood firmly against the Iraq invasion and he claims that if he gets in, he will be pulling out of Syria. One thing Trump isn't is a war mongerer. He's an American nationalist which means he will never want to be dragged into dropping bombs in far away places.
The problem I have is, he blames America for what is now happening in the middle east but at the same time, refuses to take responsibility when he claims he will turn away those fleeing from war.
This is gonna be no fun if everyone agrees is it?Think of some anti Trump rhetoric immediately:laugh:
Tom4784
10-03-2016, 06:29 PM
He's right in that the Iraq war was a massive mistake, we're largely responsible for the state of the middle east, we destablised the region and allowed IS to take root.
He's wrong about the 'Islam hates us' statement. Millions of people do not hate the West, the Quran doesn't preach hatred against us. The problem is that a bunch of people are simply using the worst parts of the Quran to justify and manipulate the disillusioned into helping them. Framing the current state of affairs as a war against Islam is exactly what the terrorists want, it's a war against terrorism, not religion.
DemolitionRed
10-03-2016, 06:33 PM
This is gonna be no fun if everyone agrees is it?Think of some anti Trump rhetoric immediately:laugh:
I did! go back and read the bottom paragraph :fist:
Seriously though NM, whatever band wagon you jump on, never be the person who can only find bad in a person simply because you're not interested in the good.
There are quite a few things I like about Trump, his war stance is one of them but for me, his rallying of racism overshadows anything good that he does.
Crimson Dynamo
10-03-2016, 06:33 PM
I did! go back and read the bottom paragraph :fist:
Seriously though NM, whatever band wagon you jump on, never be the person who can only find bad in a person simply because you're not interested in the good.
There are quite a few things I like about Trump, his war stance is one of them but for me, his rallying of racism overshadows anything good that he does.
What racism has he said?
Northern Monkey
10-03-2016, 06:44 PM
I did! go back and read the bottom paragraph :fist:
Seriously though NM, whatever band wagon you jump on, never be the person who can only find bad in a person simply because you're not interested in the good.
There are quite a few things I like about Trump, his war stance is one of them but for me, his rallying of racism overshadows anything good that he does.
For me.He is a joke.One that becomes less funny the further he gets.He has the right idea in protecting the country but takes it way too far.America imo needs somebody with passion for protecting the American people but less extreme.But i do know very little of US politics.
DemolitionRed
10-03-2016, 06:49 PM
What racism has he said?
Do you really want to go there? We've been talking about the rise of racism since the political birth of Trump for weeks...months even. You don't agree because you agree with Trump and so there's no point trying to debate the racism issue any further with you.
Crimson Dynamo
10-03-2016, 06:53 PM
Do you really want to go there? We've been talking about the rise of racism since the political birth of Trump for weeks...months even. You don't agree because you agree with Trump and so there's no point trying to debate the racism issue any further with you.
Hang on i did not ask you that or what I agree or dont agree with I asked you what racism
YOu stated: his rallying of racism
What do you mean, he is not rallying racism he is a presidential candidate
If you can give examples specifically to your claim?
I totally agree with Trump about this. I'm very aware that Trump stood firmly against the Iraq invasion and he claims that if he gets in, he will be pulling out of Syria. One thing Trump isn't is a war mongerer. He's an American nationalist which means he will never want to be dragged into dropping bombs in far away places.
The problem I have is, he blames America for what is now happening in the middle east but at the same time, refuses to take responsibility when he claims he will turn away those fleeing from war.
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Trump has made it clear that he would favour heavy bombing in the Middle East
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DemolitionRed
10-03-2016, 07:04 PM
For me.He is a joke.One that becomes less funny the further he gets.He has the right idea in protecting the country but takes it way too far.America imo needs somebody with passion for protecting the American people but less extreme.But i do know very little of US politics.
yep... he may be a master sales-man and he's a played around with all sorts of new businesses but the U.S. presidency is one toy he's not yet owned and I for one, just can't see him as a commander-in-chief. If he makes it into the oval office, I don't think he's going to be there for long.
He's right in that the Iraq war was a massive mistake, we're largely responsible for the state of the middle east, we destablised the region and allowed IS to take root.
He's wrong about the 'Islam hates us' statement. Millions of people do not hate the West, the Quran doesn't preach hatred against us. The problem is that a bunch of people are simply using the worst parts of the Quran to justify and manipulate the disillusioned into helping them. Framing the current state of affairs as a war against Islam is exactly what the terrorists want, it's a war against terrorism, not religion.
..perfectly said Dezzy..:love:..he's still 'preaching hate' and not differentiating between extreme terrorism hate and Muslims...
user104658
10-03-2016, 07:08 PM
Loving the controversial LT threads as of late.I think this may be atleast a ten pager.
Doubt it, they're becoming samey, boring and predictable. This one is at less than one page and it's already morphed into an argument that's already been covered twice in the last few days :think:.
He's right about Iraq. The rest I just find worrying because, to be honest, he comes across as simply not having given it much thought at all :umm2:
"There's, umm, err, a hatred. A tremendous hatred. Loads and loads of that hatred stuff that made out of hate. I think maybe they hate us? I dunno. hate."
"All of Islam?"
"Urr... wha? I dunno you'd have to figure that out. I think there's some hatred sauce going on somewhere that's for sure."
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Trump has made it clear that he would favour heavy bombing in the Middle East
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..this was one of his speeches that I'd watched, yeah he has no issues at all with bombing...
user104658
10-03-2016, 07:12 PM
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Trump has made it clear that he would favour heavy bombing in the Middle East
aWejiXvd-P8
Hold on, isn't he describing ... oh I dunno ... ahh... you'd have to figure that one out... umm... ahh... IRAQ in this video and saying he'd do the exact same and "take the oil"? And now he's saying that he knows that what happened in Iraq was a direct contributing factor in the rise of Islamic extremism and ISIS?
Which is his actual stance? I think he needs to make up his mind, sounds a lot like he's just blowing hot air cherry-picked for whichever audience he happens to be speaking to.
No, only around 7% actually don't like the west, donald is wrong again http://www.popoverdose.com/images/smilies/sorry.gif
Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kq4BFIoPCLI
EspeonBB
10-03-2016, 07:27 PM
Well he's right about the Iraq War being a huge mistake but he's generalising all Muslims as terrorists who hate the West again, when only a small minority are
DemolitionRed
10-03-2016, 07:29 PM
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Trump has made it clear that he would favour heavy bombing in the Middle East
aWejiXvd-P8
Then I'm confused because I know I saw one of his speeches where he adamantly said he wanted to pull America away from Syria. I remember thinking 'hmm' well at least that's a good thing.
Well he's right about the Iraq War being a huge mistake but he's generalising all Muslims as terrorists who hate the West again, when only a small minority are
...yeah Shaun, I can't really see anything much different here to the stance he's always had...these Muslims hate us/they will hurt us, or else we can't be certain which ones would aim to so let's be suspicious of all of them to be on the safe side...let's not make the mistake that Paris did in welcoming them...
All Trump is saying is that America needs to be careful about letting in people who hate the USA and in fairness to him, that's what he has always said with respect to Muslims entering the country. He wants intake to be controlled and monitored, People have exaggerated his views into some form of muslim hatred.
The guy is an idiot, no doubts there, but we should stop attributing things to him that he has not been promoting.
Kizzy
10-03-2016, 07:57 PM
Isn't it exactly what Katie Hopkins was saying, basically if you're Muslim you must be a terrorist? :/
Scarlett.
10-03-2016, 09:18 PM
Donald Trump says invasion of Iraq was the 'worst decision in US history' and turned the Arab nation into the 'Harvard of terrorism'
Didn't think I'd ever agree with something Trump said, but he's right, we ****ed up the Middle East.
Kizzy
10-03-2016, 09:38 PM
I think a few said that before him.
user104658
10-03-2016, 09:48 PM
I think a few said that before him.
It's not historically been a popular opinion on here though. Although, the people it's been unpopular with are also the same people who have been sort of jumping on the "trump defense" bandwagon of late. :think: dilemma...
Kizzy
10-03-2016, 10:53 PM
It's not historically been a popular opinion on here though. Although, the people it's been unpopular with are also the same people who have been sort of jumping on the "trump defense" bandwagon of late. :think: dilemma...
You know, I think you're right! That's some twilight zone shiz right there! :eek:
GiRTh
10-03-2016, 11:02 PM
I like this part of Trump even though hes doing only for headlines. He's saying things that the political establishment wont dare to say even though they're almost certainly true.
I don't think Trump's position is that contradictory tbh seeing as what he's criticising with the Iraq war is forcing through regime change whereas attacking ISIS now in Iraq is actually what their government is asking for. Trump's ISIS strategy would be like Putin's (and both men have talked about their respect for each other) where he would bomb widely and indiscriminately and not be too concerned about hitting other opposition forces. Unlike 99% of American politicians I doubt that Trump is too worried about Assad being removed from power.
Mokka
10-03-2016, 11:18 PM
Then I'm confused because I know I saw one of his speeches where he adamantly said he wanted to pull America away from Syria. I remember thinking 'hmm' well at least that's a good thing.
Are you confused though... or is it just clarification that Trump says what people want to hear in the moment and contradicts himself constantly... and isn't ashamed or afraid of being a liar in the least.
Pretty much plays to his character imo
iRyan
11-03-2016, 03:13 AM
His statement doesn't even make sense. An entire religion hates the citizens of a country? Not true. He's grouping radical Islamic terrorists with all other peaceful Islamists who don't hate anyone.
iRyan
11-03-2016, 03:14 AM
He is right that the Iraq War was a mistake though.
DemolitionRed
11-03-2016, 08:32 AM
Are you confused though... or is it just clarification that Trump says what people want to hear in the moment and contradicts himself constantly... and isn't ashamed or afraid of being a liar in the least.
Pretty much plays to his character imo
Yeah he pretty much got me on that one. Not that I want to listen to his rhetorical speeches much.
lostalex
11-03-2016, 10:26 AM
Do you really want to go there? We've been talking about the rise of racism since the political birth of Trump for weeks...months even. You don't agree because you agree with Trump and so there's no point trying to debate the racism issue any further with you.
He's never said anything racist. Neither Muslim nor Illegal Immigrant are races. Both are lifestyle choices. race is not a choice.
Livia
11-03-2016, 11:36 AM
I don't think Trump's position is that contradictory tbh seeing as what he's criticising with the Iraq war is forcing through regime change whereas attacking ISIS now in Iraq is actually what their government is asking for. Trump's ISIS strategy would be like Putin's (and both men have talked about their respect for each other) where he would bomb widely and indiscriminately and not be too concerned about hitting other opposition forces. Unlike 99% of American politicians I doubt that Trump is too worried about Assad being removed from power.
Great post MTVN.
user104658
11-03-2016, 11:38 AM
I don't think Trump's position is that contradictory tbh seeing as what he's criticising with the Iraq war is forcing through regime change whereas attacking ISIS now in Iraq is actually what their government is asking for. Trump's ISIS strategy would be like Putin's (and both men have talked about their respect for each other) where he would bomb widely and indiscriminately and not be too concerned about hitting other opposition forces. Unlike 99% of American politicians I doubt that Trump is too worried about Assad being removed from power.
Great post MTVN.
Yeah MTVN
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Crimson Dynamo
11-03-2016, 12:18 PM
I think the west created a problem when it allowed immigrants (legal ones) to practice that despicable stone age religion - the deal should always have been. You come here and the rule is. No religion, no mosques and compulsory science lessons and religion debunking lessons.
We missed a big trick there
user104658
11-03-2016, 12:39 PM
I think the west created a problem when it allowed immigrants (legal ones) to practice that despicable stone age religion - the deal should always have been. You come here and the rule is. No religion, no mosques and compulsory science lessons and religion debunking lessons.
We missed a big trick there
Think we would have to get rid of the "traditional" religion that still infests the coutry first, surely? You can't be like "You cannot continue to follow that nonsense! Oh, these people? Yeah they were already here so they can still follow their own nonsense..."
Crimson Dynamo
11-03-2016, 12:45 PM
Think we would have to get rid of the "traditional" religion that still infests the coutry first, surely? You can't be like "You cannot continue to follow that nonsense! Oh, these people? Yeah they were already here so they can still follow their own nonsense..."
ideally but as only around 4% of the UK practice christianity its best forgotten about
DemolitionRed
11-03-2016, 12:59 PM
I think the west created a problem when it allowed immigrants (legal ones) to practice that despicable stone age religion - the deal should always have been. You come here and the rule is. No religion, no mosques and compulsory science lessons and religion debunking lessons.
We missed a big trick there
Now you're starting to sound like a communist
Crimson Dynamo
11-03-2016, 01:04 PM
Now you're starting to sound like a communist
thankyou brother red
DemolitionRed
11-03-2016, 01:19 PM
thankyou brother red
:joker:
Crimson Dynamo
11-03-2016, 01:49 PM
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Yeah MTVN
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I don't get it
Mystic Mock
11-03-2016, 11:27 PM
Islamists hate us that's for sure.I would'nt say all muslims do though unless they do it secretly.
Loving the controversial LT threads as of late.I think this may be atleast a ten pager.
Tbf his not saying Muslims though, his being very clever on his wording as he is describing the Religion itself rather than the Muslim followers.
kirklancaster
11-03-2016, 11:54 PM
Tbf his not saying Muslims though, his being very clever on his wording as he is describing the Religion itself rather than the Muslim followers.
THANK YOU MOCK for spotting this truth. Whether Trump is being clever or not you are right.
kirklancaster
11-03-2016, 11:56 PM
I don't get it
That's two of us. :laugh: But T.S is T.S. Matt.
Kizzy
11-03-2016, 11:57 PM
So if someone was to suggest christianity hated whatever no christians would have the right to be offended?
kirklancaster
12-03-2016, 12:00 AM
So if someone was to suggest christianity hated whatever no christians would have the right to be offended?
Who is your question directed to?
Kizzy
12-03-2016, 12:15 AM
Nobody, just a non specific comment based on the thread so far.
user104658
12-03-2016, 10:34 AM
I don't get it
I was admiring your oratory, a beautiful spiral of justification to show that Trump's contradictory statements are not contradictory in their contradictions. I was doing this by creating the allegory of a "goal", with you "saving" right on the line, thereby performing an "epic save" with your words.
It's almost right up there with...
Tbf his not saying Muslims though, his being very clever on his wording as he is describing the Religion itself rather than the Muslim followers.
The suggestion that Trump is being "very clever" and somehow invalidating rebuttal or retaliation by making sweeping statements about "Islam" instead of "Muslims" :think:.
"Bah! I hate Christianity. Scummy religion full of judgement and hate, ruining the world with it's exclusivity and cultist manner. It really is the absolute dregs of religion and we should absolutely never trust Christianity!!
... Love Christians though :hee: ,wonderful folks."
I was admiring your oratory, a beautiful spiral of justification to show that Trump's contradictory statements are not contradictory in their contradictions. I was doing this by creating the allegory of a "goal", with you "saving" right on the line, thereby performing an "epic save" with your words.
It's almost right up there with...
The suggestion that Trump is being "very clever" and somehow invalidating rebuttal or retaliation by making sweeping statements about "Islam" instead of "Muslims" :think:.
"Bah! I hate Christianity. Scummy religion full of judgement and hate, ruining the world with it's exclusivity and cultist manner. It really is the absolute dregs of religion and we should absolutely never trust Christianity!!
... Love Christians though :hee: ,wonderful folks."
Well probably 95% of people now admit that Iraq was a massive mistake but over 90% of MPs still voted for the UK to bomb ISIS in the country. A lot of people will also say that the Iraq invasion was a big mistake but not the action against the country in the Gulf war. I don't think its a contradiction to point out the obvious that not all military intervention is exactly the same.
user104658
12-03-2016, 11:29 AM
Well probably 95% of people now admit that Iraq was a massive mistake but over 90% of MPs still voted for the UK to bomb ISIS in the country. A lot of people will also say that the Iraq invasion was a big mistake but not the action against the country in the Gulf war. I don't think its a contradiction to point out the obvious that not all military intervention is exactly the same.
95% of people admit that Iraq was a mistake and a direct contributing factor on the rise of ISIS? Where are these people, and how can I join their forum, because the last time it came up on here that opinion was NOT popular at all.
DemolitionRed
12-03-2016, 11:35 AM
Protestors prevent thousands from hearing Trump Speech
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/03/11/trump-rally-canceled-due-to-security-concerns-protesters/81671860/
Mystic Mock
13-03-2016, 02:09 AM
So if someone was to suggest christianity hated whatever no christians would have the right to be offended?
No because it's not about the followers and more to do with the people running the Religion.
Kizzy
14-03-2016, 11:09 AM
'What is happening in this primary is just a distillation of what’s been happening inside their party for more than a decade. I mean, the reason that many of their voters are responding is because this is what’s been fed through the messages they’ve been sending for a long time — that you just make flat assertions that don’t comport with the facts. That you just deny the evidence of science. That compromise is a betrayal. That the other side isn’t simply wrong, or we just disagree, we want to take a different approach, but the other side is destroying the country, or treasonous. I mean, that’s — look it up. That’s what they’ve been saying.
So they can’t be surprised when somebody suddenly looks and says, you know what, I can do that even better. I can make stuff up better than that. I can be more outrageous than that. I can insult people even better than that. I can be even more uncivil. I mean, conservative outlets have been feeding their base constantly the notion that everything is a disaster, that everybody else is to blame, that Obamacare is destroying the country. And it doesn’t matter whether it’s true or not. It’s not, we disagree with this program, we think we can do it better — it’s, oh, this is a crisis!
So if you don’t care about the facts, or the evidence, or civility, in general in making your arguments, you will end up with candidates who will say just about anything and do just about anything. And when your answer to every proposal that I make, or Democrats make is no, it means that you’ve got to become more and more unreasonable because that’s the only way you can say no to some pretty reasonable stuff. And then you shouldn’t be surprised when your party ultimately has no ideas to offer at all.'
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