Benefits mother-of-eight says her £500 a week is not Enough!

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/03/11/11/32160A3B00000578-3487190-image-a-8_1457694253661.jpg
Wow - You have been Busy lady
no need to run to the DM. with this.


Madame is there any Husbands that can help?
You need a TV Cook and Ch4HD Cameras
round to show you how cheap it is to feed them all.

Going on ITV1HD This Morning is OK,
though
33seconds clip on this link
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[The 33-year-old, who has previously claimed she wants more children,
blames the government's benefits cap for her situation.]

[lostalex]

are they all from the same father or she just only ****s black guys???

am i the only one that notices that she doesn't have any white kids?

[Jordan.]

It's her own stupid fault, don't have kids if you can't afford to support them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

are they all from the same father or she just only ****s black guys???

am i the only one that notices that she doesn't have any white kids?

all the kids kind of look similar so i reckon its the same man?

[Alf]

I bet it looks like a yawning donkey down there.

[Ammi]

...the DM link...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516745/I-survive-500-week-benefits-says-Birmingham-single-mother-eight.html


A single mother with eight children who receives £2,000 a month in state handouts has complained she is struggling to make ends meet.

Marie Buchan, 31, whose children range in age from 12 to two months, lives in a three-bedroom housing association house in Selly Oak, Birmingham, but says it's not big enough and has applied for a bigger one.

And she says her benefits payments, which were reduced from £582 a week to £500 a week in September after the government introduced a cap on handouts, are not enough for her family to survive on.

Now Miss Buchan, who is £2,000 in arrears with her rent, says she fears she may be evicted after falling behind with her rent.

She said: 'The benefit cap has hit me hard - money is very tight. I am £82-a-week worse off and, when you have eight children, every penny counts.


'I don’t waste my money - everything goes on my children. It is tough bringing up eight children on your own, a constant battle.

'I feel the threat of eviction all the time. I have already been to court once due to rent arrears and I fear I may be dragged there again.


'I am scrimping and saving to try to get the arrears down but it is very difficult.'

Miss Buchan's financial problems are compounded by the fact that she owes £600 in bus lane fines after receiving ten tickets for straying in bus lanes in Birmingham city centre in three days.

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She says she was caught in bus lanes while looking for a parking space when taking her baby, Olivia, to hopsital for treatment for bronchiolitis.


Miss Buchan, a tenant of Bourneville Village Trust in the south-west of Birmingham, used to receive £385 a week in child tax credit, £100 child benefit and £97 income support.


But the benefits cap, introduced earlier this year by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) to reduce the burden on the state, limited her handouts to £500 a week.

Miss Buchan, whose relationship with her former partner and father of all her children ended this year, has children Tia, 12, Leah, 11, Latoya, eight, Joshua, seven, Alisha, five, Mikayla, three, Amelia, two, and two-month-old Olivia.


She sleeps with three of her children in one bedroom of her £200,000 semi, while another four share a second room and Joshua has the third to himself.


She was on the waiting list for a four-bedroom home but has been removed from the list after falling behind with her rent.


A DWP spokesman said: 'The benefit cap sets a fair limit to what people can expect to get from the welfare system.

'Claimants cannot receive more than £500 a week, the average household earnings.


'We have been working with claimants for 18 months to help them prepare for the cap.


'Already 18,000 people potentially affected have been helped into work, as those receiving working tax credits are exempt.'


Bournville Village Trust spokesman said: 'It is normal policy for social housing landlords not to transfer households to larger properties when there are rent arrears, especially of this level.'


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[arista]

are they all from the same father or she just only ****s black guys???

am i the only one that notices that she doesn't have any white kids?



I guess she prefers Black Guys

[Cherie]

I want to know where she gets the time to have sex :umm2: She must have a good babysitter

[Niamh.]

No.


I guess she prefers Black Guys

According to the article Ammi posted, they are all from the same father Arista

Miss Buchan, whose relationship with her former partner and father of all her children ended this year, has children Tia, 12, Leah, 11, Latoya, eight, Joshua, seven, Alisha, five, Mikayla, three, Amelia, two, and two-month-old Olivia.

[Ammi]

No.


I guess she prefers Black Guys

...it is the same father, it says so in the article Arista..

Miss Buchan, whose relationship with her former partner and father of all her children ended this year, has children Tia, 12, Leah, 11, Latoya, eight, Joshua, seven, Alisha, five, Mikayla, three, Amelia, two, and two-month-old Olivia.

[Ammi]

....ooops, thanks Niamh..:love:..

[Ammi]

..I wonder why Joshua, the 7yr old is the one who has a bedroom to himself while the eldest is sharing...

[Northern Monkey]

Mucky mare should have thought about that before she opened her legs.Why don't people understand that having kids is not a right.It's a responsibility and if you can't take responsibility for children don't fecking have them.Now she wants me to pay for her loose legs.Condoms are much much cheaper than kids.The pill and injection are FREE on the NHS.

[arista]

...it is the same father, it says so in the article Arista..

Miss Buchan, whose relationship with her former partner and father of all her children ended this year, has children Tia, 12, Leah, 11, Latoya, eight, Joshua, seven, Alisha, five, Mikayla, three, Amelia, two, and two-month-old Olivia.


OK
he needs to give her Money.

[arista]

I want to know where she gets the time to have sex :umm2: She must have a good babysitter


The older ones babysit

[arista]

"According to the article Ammi posted, they are all from the same father Arista"

Thank You For Correcting me, Niamh

[lostalex]

Where is the father? and why is he making so many children that he can't support???

[Niamh.]

..I wonder why Joshua, the 7yr old is the one who has a bedroom to himself while the eldest is sharing...

He's the only boy I think

[Jason.]

It's her own stupid fault, don't have kids if you can't afford to support them.

mte

[arista]

Where is the father? and why is he making so many children that he can't support???



Yes the Dad is not going Public?

[lostalex]

Yes the Dad is not going Public?

he's probably claiming asylum in germany.

[arista]

I bet it looks like a yawning donkey down there.


Could Be

[Crimson Dynamo]

she needs an operation to sew up her fanny

[Ammi]

He's the only boy I think

...oh yeah, so he is...poor Joshua when all of his sisters' hormones kick in...

[Marsh.]

Maybe she should use some of that money to invest in contraception?

Or can you get the coil and stuff fitted for free? Idk.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe she should use some of that money to invest in contraception?

Or can you get the coil and stuff fitted for free? Idk.

a coil?


Its a railway gate thats needed by the looks of things

[Cherie]

Maybe she should use some of that money to invest in contraception?

Or can you get the coil and stuff fitted for free? Idk.

Or the Dad could support them, an old fashioned view I know :idc:

[Cherie]

Mucky mare should have thought about that before she opened her legs.Why don't people understand that having kids is not a right.It's a responsibility and if you can't take responsibility for children don't fecking have them.Now she wants me to pay for her loose legs.Condoms are much much cheaper than kids.The pill and injection are FREE on the NHS.



It wasn't the immaculate conception, at least she is still there, where is the sperm donor?

[arista]

she needs an operation to sew up her fanny


no she likes to have a Good Ride
for her age, 33,
she is getting alot of Sex

[Northern Monkey]

It wasn't the immaculate conception, at least she is still there, where is the sperm donor?
Yes but before you have 8 kids you need to know that if anything happens to one of the parents or one of them fecks off that you could still take care of them.Life is full of uncertainties.2 kids is managable possibly even 3 but 8??That is just irresponsible unless you are finacially secure enough to look after them.

[Cherie]

Yes but before you have 8 kids you need to know that if anything happens to one of the parents or one of them fecks off that you could still take care of them.Life is full of uncertainties.2 kids is managable possibly even 3 but 8??That is just irresponsible unless you are finacially secure enough to look after them.

I agree with all that, apart from fully blaming the woman? the responsibility lies 50/50 between the couple, he could have worn a condom, or got the snip, at least she is still there....

[Marsh.]

Or the Dad could support them, an old fashioned view I know :idc:

Well I haven't read the article so I don't know why she's a single mother, he could have been dead for all I know. :hehe:

[hijaxers]

she needs an operation to sew up her fanny

and her mouth she's a gobby cow moaning continually - just shut the **** up , and get a job - doubt she's planning anymore now she's been capped, just a shame its the wrong sort of cap eh :joker:

[Kizzy]

There's some seriously offensive terms in this thread.
Doesn't it say they only split up this year...So the kids came before the benefits?

[Jack_]

More vacuous sensationalist poverty porn for the masses to lap up I see :sleep:

[Kizzy]

More vacuous sensationalist poverty porn for the masses to lap up I see :sleep:

Yep the mail love it, when they're not blackmailing trans people they're bashing lone parents.
And all across the nation you hear it....shruuurrrrp shluurrrp, sssshhhhlllluuuuuuuurrrrrpppppp.

[Northern Monkey]

I agree with all that, apart from fully blaming the woman? the responsibility lies 50/50 between the couple, he could have worn a condom, or got the snip, at least she is still there....

He could have worn a condom,She could have refused to sleep with him until he did,She could have gone to the docs for proper contraception.

He could have got the snip?That's a big step and not one i would make until i was sure i would'nt ever want to have another kid.What if they split up and he got a new partner and they wanted a child together?That's like saying she could have had her womb removed.Contraception is much easier and less permanent.

[Kizzy]

He could have worn a condom,She could have refused to sleep with him until he did,She could have gone to the docs for proper contraception.

He could have got the snip?That's a big step and not one i would make until i was sure i would'nt ever want to have another kid.What if they split up and he got a new partner and they wanted a child together?That's like saying she could have had her womb removed.Contraception is much easier and less permanent.

And the womans responsibility... :idc:

[Cherie]

He could have worn a condom,She could have refused to sleep with him until he did,She could have gone to the docs for proper contraception.

He could have got the snip?That's a big step and not one i would make until i was sure i would'nt ever want to have another kid.What if they split up and he got a new partner and they wanted a child together?That's like saying she could have had her womb removed.Contraception is much easier and less permanent.

I thought you wanted people to act responsibly, Make your mind up! So the woman has to consider how many kids she has, but the Dad who has 8 kids already who he appears not to support can skip off and procreate with someone else and you are happy with that ...:facepalm:

[joeysteele]

I thought you wanted people to act responsibly, Make your mind up! So the woman has to consider how many kids she has, but the Dad who has 8 kids already who he appears not to support can skip off and procreate with someone else and you are happy with that ...:facepalm:

I agree with you as to what you say above.

I actually also agreed with the govts cap as to benefits,I also agree with them only paying child benefit for some Children and not for an endless stream of Children to any individual.

It is wrong that a Parent can get away with not supporting their family.

£500 a week is not a massive amount of money to be paid to support 9 lives,her own and the 8 Children,as that will need to cover bills too.
However I would consider it able to be enough.

On the other side, if she gets evicted,then a great deal more in the end is likely going to have to be made available to keep her and the Children in accommodation and sustain their existence.
Thereby making that weekly cut of £80+ being likely magnified considerably as to more benefit/support costs.

[Northern Monkey]

I thought you wanted people to act responsibly, Make your mind up! So the woman has to consider how many kids she has, but the Dad who has 8 kids already who he appears not to support can skip off and procreate with someone else and you are happy with that ...:facepalm:

Relationships end.That's life.People move on.Having 8 kids that you cant support is just irresponsible.Having the snip is not something a man wants to do until later life when he's sure he will never have another child.They both should have considered this but especially her as it's her that is lumbered with kids she can't afford.He should also support them too but that's not always reality is it.
I made a concsious decision to stop at two because i know that's all we can comfortably afford without struggling.

[user104658]

Going to be honest, I think we would struggle on 24k a year with just two kids never mind 8.

Remember for a start that the benefits cap INCLUDES rent so once you take that, council tax and utilities out of £500 a week, you could easily be down to £250 a week already. Then you have to properly feed, clothe, school them etc (state school is NOT free, they're always after little bits of money here and there) and I personally think it's a stretch for this to be possible.

Yes, ok, "she should have thought about that before she had kids" etc. But it's actually the kids who are going to end up suffering the most here, and they had absolutely no choice at all.

[Cherie]

Relationships end.That's life.People move on.Having 8 kids that you cant support is just irresponsible.Having the snip is not something a man wants to do until later life when he's sure he will never have another child.They both should have considered this but especially her as it's her that is lumbered with kids she can't afford.He should also support them too but that's not always reality is it.
I made a concsious decision to stop at two because i know that's all we can comfortably afford without struggling.



Going to be honest, I think we would struggle on 24k a year with just two kids never mind 8.

Remember for a start that the benefits cap INCLUDES rent so once you take that, council tax and utilities out of £500 a week, you could easily be down to £250 a week already. Then you have to properly feed, clothe, school them etc (state school is NOT free, they're always after little bits of money here and there) and I personally think it's a stretch for this to be possible.

Yes, ok, "she should have thought about that before she had kids" etc. But it's actually the kids who are going to end up suffering the most here, and they had absolutely no choice at all.


It's great to be a man isn't it, he is shouldering no blame for fathering 8 kids and walking away, not saying she has acted in the best interests of her kids, but both are equally to blame for heaping poverty on their family, no one else

[kirklancaster]

There's some seriously offensive terms in this thread.
Doesn't it say they only split up this year...So the kids came before the benefits?

If the doting daddy was working and earning enough to support 8 kids and 2 adults, then why is the mother now claiming benefits then just because they have parted?

Has Super Dad stopped working?

Or is he still working but no longer supporting the 8 kids he has brought into this world?

If they "only split up this year" but she is complaining about a drop in benefits due to the 'cap', then she was quite clearly on benefits BEFORE Super Dad abandonded them all - and quite obviously on benefits when she became further pregnant with the youngest kids.

I know lots of young people who are working hard and struggling to live and SAVE a little for their future, who DON'T bring home £500 per week after stoppages, and THEY have not been so irresponsible and selfish to keep popping kids out they cannot afford - yet THEIR taxes are allowing these 'Super Parents' to indulge themselves and DO EXACTLY THAT.

OH - AND A LOT OF THESE HARDWORKING YOUNG PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD A FECKING CAR so they have ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE OF "STRAYING INTO BUS LANES".

This country is seriously fecked up.

[Kizzy]

If the doting daddy was working and earning enough to support 8 kids and 2 adults, then why is the mother now claiming benefits then justy because they have parted?

Has Super Dad stopped working?

Or is he still working but no longer supporting the 8 kids he has brought into this world?

If they "only split up this year" but she is complaining about a drop in benefits due to the 'cap', then she was quite clearly on benefits BEFORE Super Dad abandonded them all - and quite obviously on benefits when she became further pregnant with the youngest kids.

I know lots of young people who are working hard and struggling to live and SAVE a little for their future, who DON'T bring home £500 per week after stoppages, and THEY have not been so irresponsible and selfish to keep popping kids out they cannot afford - yet THEIR taxes are allowing these 'Super Parents' to indulge themselves and DO EXACTLY THAT.

OH - AND A LOT OF THESE HARDWORKING YOUNG PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD A FECKING CAR so they have ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE OF "STRAYING INTO BUS LANES".

This country is seriously fecked up.


0iING for know plenty of young people w

Why are you shouting at me?... Go virtual finger wag somewhere else please.

[Jordan.]

If the doting daddy was working and earning enough to support 8 kids and 2 adults, then why is the mother now claiming benefits then justy because they have parted?

Has Super Dad stopped working?

Or is he still working but no longer supporting the 8 kids he has brought into this world?

If they "only split up this year" but she is complaining about a drop in benefits due to the 'cap', then she was quite clearly on benefits BEFORE Super Dad abandonded them all - and quite obviously on benefits when she became further pregnant with the youngest kids.

I know lots of young people who are working hard and struggling to live and SAVE a little for their future, who DON'T bring home £500 per week after stoppages, and THEY have not been so irresponsible and selfish to keep popping kids out they cannot afford - yet THEIR taxes are allowing these 'Super Parents' to indulge themselves and DO EXACTLY THAT.

OH - AND A LOT OF THESE HARDWORKING YOUNG PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD A FECKING CAR so they have ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE OF "STRAYING INTO BUS LANES".

This country is seriously fecked up.


0iING for know plenty of young people w

:clap2:

[joeysteele]

Going to be honest, I think we would struggle on 24k a year with just two kids never mind 8.

Remember for a start that the benefits cap INCLUDES rent so once you take that, council tax and utilities out of £500 a week, you could easily be down to £250 a week already. Then you have to properly feed, clothe, school them etc (state school is NOT free, they're always after little bits of money here and there) and I personally think it's a stretch for this to be possible.

Yes, ok, "she should have thought about that before she had kids" etc. But it's actually the kids who are going to end up suffering the most here, and they had absolutely no choice at all.

That's full of more valid points too TS.

[smudgie]

Sell the car for starters, get a good pushchair and decent trainers for the kids..then get walking.
The benefit cap has been on the cards a good while, last baby should never have happened.
The taxpayer pays far too much out for people that are so irresponsible to think they can just pop money machines out, working or not.

[Tom4784]

Just another story about a vulnerable family for the mindless masses to look down upon and pretend that they are any better. I find the thought of someone taking advantage of the system far more palatable then the people who typically post on stories like this.

Going to be honest, I think we would struggle on 24k a year with just two kids never mind 8.

Remember for a start that the benefits cap INCLUDES rent so once you take that, council tax and utilities out of £500 a week, you could easily be down to £250 a week already. Then you have to properly feed, clothe, school them etc (state school is NOT free, they're always after little bits of money here and there) and I personally think it's a stretch for this to be possible.

Yes, ok, "she should have thought about that before she had kids" etc. But it's actually the kids who are going to end up suffering the most here, and they had absolutely no choice at all.

This, anyone would struggle to raise 8 kids on a budget like that.

I have to laugh at some of the ridiculous suggestions though, sell her car? Have you ever been to Birmingham? It takes ages to get anywhere on foot or by public transport, taking the car away won't help the family.

[Johnnyuk123]

If the doting daddy was working and earning enough to support 8 kids and 2 adults, then why is the mother now claiming benefits then justy because they have parted?

Has Super Dad stopped working?

Or is he still working but no longer supporting the 8 kids he has brought into this world?

If they "only split up this year" but she is complaining about a drop in benefits due to the 'cap', then she was quite clearly on benefits BEFORE Super Dad abandonded them all - and quite obviously on benefits when she became further pregnant with the youngest kids.

I know lots of young people who are working hard and struggling to live and SAVE a little for their future, who DON'T bring home £500 per week after stoppages, and THEY have not been so irresponsible and selfish to keep popping kids out they cannot afford - yet THEIR taxes are allowing these 'Super Parents' to indulge themselves and DO EXACTLY THAT.

OH - AND A LOT OF THESE HARDWORKING YOUNG PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD A FECKING CAR so they have ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE OF "STRAYING INTO BUS LANES".

This country is seriously fecked up.


0iING for know plenty of young people w

Kirk you are absolutely 100 billion percent correct!
As Arista would say...bang on right!
:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Jordan.]

Just another story about a vulnerable family for the mindless masses to look down upon and pretend that they are any better. I find the thought of someone taking advantage of the system far more palatable then the people who typically post on stories like this.



This, anyone would struggle to raise 8 kids on a budget like that.

I have to laugh at some of the ridiculous suggestions though, sell her car? Have you ever been to Birmingham? It takes ages to get anywhere on foot or by public transport, taking the car away won't help the family.

Vulnerable by own doing. I'll reserve my sympathy for parents out working hard everyday to provide for their kids not spongers sitting at home blaming the government for not raising their kids for them.

[Tom4784]

Vulnerable by own doing. I'll reserve my sympathy for parents out working hard everyday to provide for their kids not spongers sitting at home blaming the government for not raising their kids for them.

Sympathy is pointless and cheap, it's the pure malice that people like yourself show towards people on benefits that bothers me.

It's just people taking the opportunity to look down and the less fortunate and fool themselves into thinking they are better when in fact they are awful human beings.

[GiRTh]

There are about 20 people like this in the country yet the DM manages to find them all. Always they are too happy to look like a tw*t in the papers. :bored:

[Jordan.]

Sympathy is pointless and cheap, it's the pure malice that people like yourself show towards people on benefits that bothers me.

It's just people taking the opportunity to look down and the less fortunate and fool themselves into thinking they are better when in fact they are awful human beings.

Way to generalize just from one post. I have no problem with people who genuinely need benefits in order to survive but people like this women are the definition of scroungers who give others in need a bad name, it's not particularly hard to see that.

[Cherie]

Sympathy is pointless and cheap, it's the pure malice that people like yourself show towards people on benefits that bothers me.

It's just people taking the opportunity to look down and the less fortunate and fool themselves into thinking they are better when in fact they are awful human beings.

Less fortunate?... Less fortunate is not a way to describe this situation, she didn't get pregnant 8 times by accident, less fortunate is those people who have been thrown on the dole by cheap steel imports, less fortunate is the miners who have just lost their jobs due to cheap imports etc etc

[Cherie]

Way to generalize just from one post. I have no problem with people who genuinely need benefits in order to survive but people like this women are the definition of scroungers who give others in need a bad name, it's not particularly hard to see that.

:clap2:

[RichardG]

Way to generalize just from one post. I have no problem with people who genuinely need benefits in order to survive but people like this women are the definition of scroungers who give others in need a bad name, it's not particularly hard to see that.

:clap1:

[Kizzy]

Less fortunate?... Less fortunate is not a way to describe this situation, she didn't get pregnant 8 times by accident, less fortunate is those people who have been thrown on the dole by cheap steel imports, less fortunate is the miners who have just lost their jobs due to cheap imports etc etc

Then let's have more stories on that and less demonisation of individuals. She is in no way representative of people on welfare, so you have to ask yourself what exactly is the agenda here?

[kirklancaster]

Why are you shouting at me?... Go virtual finger wag somewhere else please.

I am EMPHASISING my text - If you see it as SHOUTING then tough.

AND STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO - please.

[kirklancaster]

Or the Dad could support them, an old fashioned view I know :idc:

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Cherie]

Then let's have more stories on that and less demonisation of individuals. She is in no way representative of people on welfare, so you have to ask yourself what exactly is the agenda here?

it's down to people like him and her that some people demonise those on benefits, I think most intelligent people can distinguish between lazy bastards who want what they want and those who genuinely fall on hard times

[Kizzy]

I am EMPHASISING my text - If you see it as SHOUTING then tough.

AND STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO - please.

I would just rather you didn't quote me if you insist in posting in caps, it doesn't make anything you say any more pertinent and I find it quite rude.

[GiRTh]

Then let's have more stories on that and less demonisation of individuals. She is in no way representative of people on welfare, so you have to ask yourself what exactly is the agenda here?This. I dont know how the DM manages to find these people but then again I bet she got a tidy sum for her story.

[Kizzy]

it's down to people like him and her that some people demonise those on benefits, I think most intelligent people can distinguish between lazy bastards who want what they want and those who genuinely fall on hard times

But they don't do they? People don't distinguish, and when people do fall on hard time they forgo claiming due to social stigma.
And it's down to headlines like this ensuring that divide deepens.

[kirklancaster]

and her mouth she's a gobby cow moaning continually - just shut the **** up , and get a job - doubt she's planning anymore now she's been capped, just a shame its the wrong sort of cap eh :joker:

:laugh: Err - do you mean..... Contraceptive Cap, or....... err.......Dunce's Cap, Hijax? :hee:

[kirklancaster]

I would just rather you didn't quote me if you insist in posting in caps, it doesn't make anything you say any more pertinent and I find it quite rude.

I do not deliberately post in any style with you in mind, so sorry, but I really do not care how you find it.

[kirklancaster]

Less fortunate?... Less fortunate is not a way to describe this situation, she didn't get pregnant 8 times by accident, less fortunate is those people who have been thrown on the dole by cheap steel imports, less fortunate is the miners who have just lost their jobs due to cheap imports etc etc

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[kirklancaster]

Way to generalize just from one post. I have no problem with people who genuinely need benefits in order to survive but people like this women are the definition of scroungers who give others in need a bad name, it's not particularly hard to see that.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[kirklancaster]

a coil?


Its a railway gate thats needed by the looks of things

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[kirklancaster]

Sell the car for starters, get a good pushchair and decent trainers for the kids..then get walking.
The benefit cap has been on the cards a good while, last baby should never have happened.
The taxpayer pays far too much out for people that are so irresponsible to think they can just pop money machines out, working or not.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[rubymoo]

She appeared on a benefits programme a few years ago, she has an on off relationship with the father of her children.

It appears she just wants a large family, and to be surrounded by her children, children she can't afford to keep, it's a strange world we live in, people depend on benefits, if the uk benefit system collapsed tomorrow i would say the majority of people would be in deep ****, we now live in a dependent society, we are not self sufficient, and i find it strange that as a society many are so dependent.

[user104658]

Anyone suggesting she sells the car has clearly not tried public transport at any time recently.

We fill up £25 in the car and it lasts us a full two weeks, easily, and that's with longer (50+ mile) trips occasionally.

Before we had the car, one return trip to town (ONE return trip) on the bus cost £13. It's 8 miles to town, not walkable. Oh can I also point out that £13 is for two adults and one child, as one of ours is under 5 and doesn't pay yet. For this one adult and 8 children to take the bus to town where I am, ONCE, would cost them £21.50.

In other words, the public transport service being the absolute shambles it is at the moment, for a family (and actually ANY time you have more than one person in a car, so even just for couples) that doesn't have everything they need within walking distance of their home, it is cheaper to run a car than to not run one.

It costs us approx. £130 a month to run the car, all in. That includes insirance, tax, etc. Before we had the car our travel expenses were pushing close to £250 a month. It's insane. And again - that's for two adults and one child.

[user104658]

She appeared on a benefits programme a few years ago, she has an on off relationship with the father of her children.

It appears she just wants a large family, and to be surrounded by her children, children she can't afford to keep, it's a strange world we live in, people depend on benefits, if the uk benefit system collapsed tomorrow i would say the majority of people would be in deep ****, we now live in a dependent society, we are not self sufficient, and i find it strange that as a society many are so dependent.

The "haves" played just as large a part in making society benefits-dependant as those who are actually on them... and if the benefits system collapsed tomorrow, EVERYONE would be in deep ****, whether they're on benefits or not. The fact that so many people who are working require in-work benefits to survive means that if those collapse, the entire supporting tier of working people stops being able to function... and as loathe as they are to admit it - every single higher-earner in the country is entirely dependant on that supporting low-wage tier... and therefore, just as dependant on benefits as the people who actually have them paid into their accounts.

[Kizzy]

Anyone suggesting she sells the car has clearly not tried public transport at any time recently.

We fill up £25 in the car and it lasts us a full two weeks, easily, and that's with longer (50+ mile) trips occasionally.

Before we had the car, one return trip to town (ONE return trip) on the bus cost £13. It's 8 miles to town, not walkable. Oh can I also point out that £13 is for two adults and one child, as one of ours is under 5 and doesn't pay yet. For this one adult and 8 children to take the bus to town where I am, ONCE, would cost them £21.50.

In other words, the public transport service being the absolute shambles it is at the moment, for a family (and actually ANY time you have more than one person in a car, so even just for couples) that doesn't have everything they need within walking distance of their home, it is cheaper to run a car than to not run one.

It costs us approx. £130 a month to run the car, all in. That includes insirance, tax, etc. Before we had the car our travel expenses were pushing close to £250 a month. It's insane. And again - that's for two adults and one child.

But people on welfare have no business being out in the open breathing the good air reserved for tax payers, they can stay indoors and breath their own recycled air in.

[Northern Monkey]

Way to generalize just from one post. I have no problem with people who genuinely need benefits in order to survive but people like this women are the definition of scroungers who give others in need a bad name, it's not particularly hard to see that.This^

[Northern Monkey]

Less fortunate?... Less fortunate is not a way to describe this situation, she didn't get pregnant 8 times by accident, less fortunate is those people who have been thrown on the dole by cheap steel imports, less fortunate is the miners who have just lost their jobs due to cheap imports etc etcAnd this^

[rubymoo]

The "haves" played just as large a part in making society benefits-dependant as those who are actually on them... and if the benefits system collapsed tomorrow, EVERYONE would be in deep ****, whether they're on benefits or not. The fact that so many people who are working require in-work benefits to survive means that if those collapse, the entire supporting tier of working people stops being able to function... and as loathe as they are to admit it - every single higher-earner in the country is entirely dependant on that supporting low-wage tier... and therefore, just as dependant on benefits as the people who actually have them paid into their accounts.

But this makes me deeply uncomfortable (doesn't it you?) that we are now a nation dependent on our benefits system, i think everyone should be worried about how dependent we are.

[Northern Monkey]

And what Kirk said :clap1:

I have nothing against genuine benefit claimants.I've been on job seekers before whilst in between jobs.I understand how demoralising it is to go and sit in front of those jobsworths at the job centre while they look down their noses at you.
However having kid after kid knowing that the rest of us will pay for them is just a piss take.

[user104658]

But this makes me deeply uncomfortable (doesn't it you?) that we are now a nation dependent on our benefits system, i think everyone should be worried about how dependent we are.

Of course it does, it's an absolute mess. A slowly failing system. But the people who are suffering the most as it fails are the people who have least control over that system... and absolutely no way out of it.

[DemolitionRed]

Way to generalize just from one post. I have no problem with people who genuinely need benefits in order to survive but people like this women are the definition of scroungers who give others in need a bad name, it's not particularly hard to see that.

Hardly. That woman is bringing up 8 future tax payers. Every baby born in this country has worth to the government and because birth rates are low in this country, the government economists love people like her. Do the maths...£55.5 a week is spent on each individual in the house. Some of the kids are only a few years off working age but even if we take the baby up to working age and then work out the average tax that person will pay over its working life its considerably more in pay-back.

No doubt someone will jump back at me with, "all the kids will probably claim benefits too".

This place reminds me more and more of the Jeremy Kyle show. Instead of going after people like this, why don't the press pay more attention to all those millionaire tax dodgers that are protected by our present government?.

Like Girth says: they had to dig deep to find such a story.

[Cherie]

But people on welfare have no business being out in the open breathing the good air reserved for tax payers, they can stay indoors and breath their own recycled air in.


That is huge chip on shoulder nonsense, very few tax payers begrudge any vulnerable, disabled or genuinely medically unfit person benefit, however when fit able bodied people choose it as a lifestyle choice then yes pardon me for being a bit annoyed at putting in a weeks work so they can sit on their arse

[user104658]

And what Kirk said :clap1:

I have nothing against genuine benefit claimants.I've been on job seekers before whilst in between jobs.I understand how demoralising it is to go and sit in front of those jobsworths at the job centre while they look down their noses at you.
However having kid after kid knowing that the rest of us will pay for them is just a piss take.

I was on JSA for 5 months at one point, it's an awful experience... but to be honest, as demoralising as it is, I think it probably pales in comparison to being one of those kids.

That's my major issue here. NINE people are suffering because of the actions of just one of them... no one seems to give much of a toss about those 8 kids, because "their mum had it coming".

[user104658]

That is huge chip on shoulder nonsense, very few tax payers begrudge any vulnerable, disabled or genuinely medically unfit person benefit, however when fit able bodied people choose it as a lifestyle choice then yes pardon me for being a bit annoyed at putting in a weeks work so they can sit on their arse

So children are not vulnerable, then?

[smudgie]

Less fortunate?... Less fortunate is not a way to describe this situation, she didn't get pregnant 8 times by accident, less fortunate is those people who have been thrown on the dole by cheap steel imports, less fortunate is the miners who have just lost their jobs due to cheap imports etc etc

Yes Cherie, but we just get on with it. Never having had a feeling of entitlement
Makes you get on with it.
Working hard for what you get makes you appreciate it, and realise you can't afford the amount of kids you would like.

[Cherie]

Hardly. That woman is bringing up 8 future tax payers. Every baby born in this country has worth to the government and because birth rates are low in this country, the government economists love people like her. Do the maths...£55.5 a week is spent on each individual in the house. Some of the kids are only a few years off working age but even if we take the baby up to working age and then work out the average tax that person will pay over its working life its considerably more in pay-back.

No doubt someone will jump back at me with, "all the kids will probably claim benefits too".

This place reminds me more and more of the Jeremy Kyle show. Instead of going after people like this, why don't the press pay more attention to all those millionaire tax dodgers that are protected by our present government?.

Like Girth says: they had to dig deep to find such a story.

Any chance you could lay off with the insults?

[rubymoo]

When my nana had her 8 children, she had child benefit and that was it, her family enjoyed good homemade cooking, i know they struggled (i've seen the photo's!) the problem is with todays society is it's a society of self entitlement, people think they are entitled to everything and believe that if they don't get it then it's a violation of their human rights, i believe that it's right there's a cap, i see my sister on benefits with more than enough money, money for scratch cards, money for cans of lager, the kids have an apple mac book (i think that's what they're called:blush:), her kids want for nothing, she spent thousands on her kids thanks to benefits.

[Cherie]

So children are not vulnerable, then?

Do they have a Daddy who could get off his arse?

[rubymoo]

I was on JSA for 5 months at one point, it's an awful experience... but to be honest, as demoralising as it is, I think it probably pales in comparison to being one of those kids.

That's my major issue here. NINE people are suffering because of the actions of just one of them... no one seems to give much of a toss about those 8 kids, because "their mum had it coming".

My hubby went on JSA after being made redundant, worst and most stressful experience of my life, we almost ended up divorcing:shocked:

We ended up being sanctioned for not filling in a form properly, no warning or nothing, just a straight sanction.....bastards!

Never again!

[Cherie]

When my nana had her 8 children, she had child benefit and that was it, her family enjoyed good homemade cooking, i know they struggled (i've seen the photo's!) the problem is with todays society is it's a society of self entitlement, people think they are entitled to everything and believe that if they don't get it then it's a violation of their human rights, i believe that it's right there's a cap, i see my sister on benefits with more than enough money, money for scratch cards, money for cans of lager, the kids have an apple mac book (i think that's what they're called:blush), her kids want for nothing, she spent thousands on her kids thanks to benefits.

:clap2:

[bots]

Hardly. That woman is bringing up 8 future tax payers. Every baby born in this country has worth to the government and because birth rates are low in this country, the government economists love people like her. Do the maths...£55.5 a week is spent on each individual in the house. Some of the kids are only a few years off working age but even if we take the baby up to working age and then work out the average tax that person will pay over its working life its considerably more in pay-back.

No doubt someone will jump back at me with, "all the kids will probably claim benefits too".

This place reminds me more and more of the Jeremy Kyle show. Instead of going after people like this, why don't the press pay more attention to all those millionaire tax dodgers that are protected by our present government?.

Like Girth says: they had to dig deep to find such a story.


If parents set an example for their kids, she is raising 8 kids who will go on to each have 8 kids of their own and scrounge of the system. That scenario has more validity than the one you propose

[rubymoo]

Do they have a Daddy who could get off his arse?

I've tried to find out about the dad but i couldn't find anything, other than he left a couple of years ago because he couldn't cope with the amount of kids!

[Northern Monkey]

Yes Cherie, but we just get on with it. Never having had a feeling of entitlement
Makes you get on with it.
Working hard for what you get makes you appreciate it, and realise you can't afford the amount of kids you would like.
Very true.Yes there will undoubtedly be accidents but eight times is no accident.You have to budget for and plan a family ideally.You might budget for one and accidentally have two and manage to scrape by but just deliberately pooping them out expecting everyone else to pay for them is irresponsible,negligent and benefit scrounging.

[Cherie]

I was on JSA for 5 months at one point, it's an awful experience... but to be honest, as demoralising as it is, I think it probably pales in comparison to being one of those kids.

That's my major issue here. NINE people are suffering because of the actions of just one of them... no one seems to give much of a toss about those 8 kids, because "their mum had it coming".

What do you mean "one of them" ? The Dad plays no part in your summations?

[DemolitionRed]

If parents set an example for their kids, she is raising 8 kids who will go on to each have 8 kids of their own and scrounge of the system. That scenario has more validity than the one you propose

Believe me, that's not how the government looks at it and anyway, by the time they grow up, its doubtful we will have a benefits system.

[user104658]

What do you mean "one of them" ? The Dad plays no part in your summations?

The father appears not to be in the picture and therefore we can assume he's not suffering because of the sanctions.

Of course I think the father should "get of his arse and help them" but - again - is it his childrens' fault if he won't do it?

[kirklancaster]

But people on welfare have no business being out in the open breathing the good air reserved for tax payers, they can stay indoors and breath their own recycled air in.

:facepalm: Hyperbole rides again.

I wish that just for once your immensely sympathetic posts for benefit scroungers, political agitators and subversives, and certain types of immigrants, would extend to the DECENT, HARDWORKING, RESPONSIBLE and FAIR people of this country.

Note I said 'posts' and not you personally.

[rubymoo]

I think the issue is that this woman feels it's her human right to have as many children as she wants, but she also believes it's her human right to have a lifestyle that is the equivalent to a middle class family, therein lies the problem....

[Cherie]

I think the issue is that this woman feels it's her human right to have as many children as she wants, but she also believes it's her human right to have a lifestyle that is the equivalent to a middle class family, therein lies the problem....

Bingo.

[kirklancaster]

The father appears not to be in the picture and therefore we can assume he's not suffering because of the sanctions.

Of course I think the father should "get of his arse and help them" but - again - is it his childrens' fault if he won't do it?

No, it is not the childrens fault at all, no more than it is the childrens fault in families where the dad is doing a 9 stretch for armed robbery and the heroin addicted mummy has 7 kids by 6 different fathers - all on benefits.

All I know is that in this case 8 kids would NOT BE THERE to suffer if the 'poor' mother had exercised a little responsibility instead of indulging her stupid and selfish desire to breed children like flies JUST BECAUSE she KNOWS THAT SHE CAN DO UNDER THIS COUNTRY'S FECKED UP BENEFITS SYSTEM.

[kirklancaster]

Believe me, that's not how the government looks at it and anyway, by the time they grow up, its doubtful we will have a benefits system.

No - because it will have capsized under the weight of the in creasing numbers of benefit scroungers such as this wonderful mum of 8 kids.

[Kizzy]

:facepalm: Hyperbole rides again.

I wish that just for once your immensely sympathetic posts for benefit scroungers, political agitators and subversives, and certain types of immigrants, would extend to the DECENT, HARDWORKING, RESPONSIBLE and FAIR people of this country.

Note I said 'posts' and not you personally.

If you don't like my posts feel free to avoid them.

[kirklancaster]

That is huge chip on shoulder nonsense, very few tax payers begrudge any vulnerable, disabled or genuinely medically unfit person benefit, however when fit able bodied people choose it as a lifestyle choice then yes pardon me for being a bit annoyed at putting in a weeks work so they can sit on their arse

:worship: SUPERBLY WRITTEN.

[kirklancaster]

If you don't like my posts feel free to avoid them.

The same applies dear - so why the habitual complaints from you about mine?

[Kizzy]

That is huge chip on shoulder nonsense, very few tax payers begrudge any vulnerable, disabled or genuinely medically unfit person benefit, however when fit able bodied people choose it as a lifestyle choice then yes pardon me for being a bit annoyed at putting in a weeks work so they can sit on their arse

Chip on shoulder...
Why would my mockery of the Mails reportage suggest I have a chip on my shoulder?
I haven't at all said I agree with one thing the woman has said, and yet I'm her champion?
I disagree with her being put in virtual stocks, and question the motives for the 'story'.

[kirklancaster]

Hardly. That woman is bringing up 8 future tax payers. Every baby born in this country has worth to the government and because birth rates are low in this country, the government economists love people like her. Do the maths...£55.5 a week is spent on each individual in the house. Some of the kids are only a few years off working age but even if we take the baby up to working age and then work out the average tax that person will pay over its working life its considerably more in pay-back.

No doubt someone will jump back at me with, "all the kids will probably claim benefits too".

This place reminds me more and more of the Jeremy Kyle show. Instead of going after people like this, why don't the press pay more attention to all those millionaire tax dodgers that are protected by our present government?.

Like Girth says: they had to dig deep to find such a story.

I do not know which world you are actually living in, but your posts become more estranged from reality by the day.

"That woman is bringing up 8 future tax payers."

"Some of the kids are only a few years off working age but even if we take the baby up to working age and then work out the average tax that person will pay over its working life its considerably more in pay-back."
.

Err....No - "all the kids will probably claim benefits too" is about right.

And on one hand your posts support unfettered immigration into this country and claim that the majority of such immigrants work and pay their way, yet here you are claiming that the 8 kids of a pair of benefit scroungers are going to find jobs when they all grow up.

There will be no jobs - even if these kids defy the conditioning which environment and habit imposes, and actually DO try to find work - which is highly improbable.

Do the Math.

"they had to dig deep to find such a story"- more presumption passed off as authorative fact. Could you please provide genuine statistical proof for this statement?

And "millionaire tax dodgers" are a completely seperate issue - not a deflection from this one.

[Kizzy]

The same applies dear - so why the habitual complaints from you about mine?

I don't know if you've noticed but I never quote you, I just field your comments.

[kirklancaster]

I don't know if you've noticed but I never quote you, I just field your comments.

If you say so - I'm sure you will find one or two of 'The Usual Suspects' to agree with you, but no more than that.

[Black Dagger]

JSA (well now Universal Credit) is actually a demoralising experience and I wouldn't wish it on anybody. The fact I only got away from it for 2 months was the worst part.

[Josy]

She was on one of the benefits shows last year she had over a thousand pound of rent arrears and wanted a new house, the council gave her a house and scrubbed her arrears

[kirklancaster]

She was on one of the benefits shows last year she had over a thousand pound of rent arrears and wanted a new house, the council gave her a house and scrubbed her arrears

So now she is back in arrears, runs a car and has had more babies?

[Kizzy]

I do not know which world you are actually living in, but your posts become more estranged from reality by the day.

"That woman is bringing up 8 future tax payers."

"Some of the kids are only a few years off working age but even if we take the baby up to working age and then work out the average tax that person will pay over its working life its considerably more in pay-back."
.

Err....No - "all the kids will probably claim benefits too" is about right.

And on one hand your posts support unfettered immigration into this country and claim that the majority of such immigrants work and pay their way, yet here you are claiming that the 8 kids of a pair of benefit scroungers are going to find jobs when they all grow up.

There will be no jobs - even if these kids defy the conditioning which environment and habit imposes, and actually DO try to find work - which is highly improbable.

Do the Math.

"they had to dig deep to find such a story"- more presumption passed off as authorative fact. Could you please provide genuine statistical proof for this statement?

And "millionaire tax dodgers" are a completely seperate issue - not a deflection from this one.

I changed my mind, best not impose exacting standards for others if you can't stick to your own rules.

[kirklancaster]

I changed my mind, best not impose exacting standards for others if you can't stick to your own rules.

And your point was?

"Tis not the style of writing
Nor the size of text
'Tis the merit in what's written
And what will be written next."

Kirk The Poet 2016.

[user104658]

No, it is not the childrens fault at all, no more than it is the childrens fault in families where the dad is doing a 9 stretch for armed robbery and the heroin addicted mummy has 7 kids by 6 different fathers - all on benefits.

All I know is that in this case 8 kids would NOT BE THERE to suffer if the 'poor' mother had exercised a little responsibility instead of indulging her stupid and selfish desire to breed children like flies JUST BECAUSE she KNOWS THAT SHE CAN DO UNDER THIS COUNTRY'S FECKED UP BENEFITS SYSTEM.

I don't entirely disagree with that but the moral thing to do would be to say "This can't happen ANY MORE", as in, make the 2 kid max only apply to children who are born AFTER the point that that is decided.

No, she shouldn't have had 8 kids believing the state would provide for them. If she had known it wouldn't you're right, she likely wouldn't have had so many. So the right thing to do is say to the generation growing up NOW, "you will only get extra money for up to two children". Because... and I don't mean to point out the obvious here... but in the cases where there are already multiple kids, it's sort of too late. I mean you could try to stuff them back in but I'm not sure it would end well. And those kids who are ALREADY HERE and have done nothing wrong OTHER THAN BE BORN do not deserve to suffer for their parents' mistakes.

[Amy Jade]

I remember the show she was on and remember the council waving her arrears...I also remember she had Sky TV and bought the kids expensive clothes and that her house was pretty disgusting.

If the council gave her a second chance and waved her first set of arrears and she claimed to be struggling at that point why have they had yet another baby and why have they gotten behind in their rent?

Seems to me some people just want to live off others for free, she should make do with what she gets

[Tom4784]

Way to generalize just from one post. I have no problem with people who genuinely need benefits in order to survive but people like this women are the definition of scroungers who give others in need a bad name, it's not particularly hard to see that.

People always say that but when push comes to shove they'll tar everyone on benefits with the same brush.

[arista]

She was on one of the benefits shows last year she had over a thousand pound of rent arrears and wanted a new house, the council gave her a house and scrubbed her arrears



Yes its a mess
but she she still went on ITV1HD This Morning

[Ammi]

...there is something odd about this story..I don't know Arista, you said this lady just appeared on Good Morning yesterday ..?...but the penalty charges notice is from 2013, this was over two years ago that the story first appeared and this isn't her and her children's situation now..

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/02/article-2516745-19C6E81300000578-799_634x600.jpg



...anyways, it isn't totally clear what the update is but apparently her ex-partner, the father of the children did help out and was very supportive...they did manage to get a larger, 4 bedroom home which was needed, she did start training at college to become a mechanic but I don't know if it's something that she succeeded in or not but she did try anyway....

“She wants to work and has enrolled on a two-day-a-week college course where she is learning to be a mechanic.“She is currently at Level 1 but will progress onto Level 2 soon.

“She wants to set up a mobile mechanic business where she will attend callouts in a van.

“It is aimed at women who struggle to do the basics when it comes to car maintenance such as changing tyres, repairing windscreen wipers and changing water and oil.

“She is determined to work and be successful.”



...she has an agent/manager/whatever though../crikey everyone seems to have managers, I need me a manager..who 'allegedly' is trying to get her a TV career as well, but again..I don't know if that's true..this doesn't seem to be a current story so confusing...good luck to her anyway/whatever she's doing, I hope that it's all working out for her and her family...

[Ammi]

..an article/blog where this story has been shown before and updated in December 2013.../...using the exact same pictures that I presume are meant to be current...


http://mashariazgitonga.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/i-cant-survive-on-500-week-benefits.html

[jennyjuniper]

This makes me so mad. Hard working men and women limit their families so that they can go out to work to support the children they have. Whereas this woman and her childrens father just keep producing and expect the rest of us to pay for it. WHY THE HELL SHOULD WE?
Also if she can afford a car, she can afford to pay her rent.

[kirklancaster]

...there is something odd about this story..I don't know Arista, you said this lady just appeared on Good Morning yesterday ..?...but the penalty charges notice is from 2013, this was over two years ago that the story first appeared and this isn't her and her children's situation now..

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/02/article-2516745-19C6E81300000578-799_634x600.jpg



...anyways, it isn't totally clear what the update is but apparently her ex-partner, the father of the children did help out and was very supportive...they did manage to get a larger, 4 bedroom home which was needed, she did start training at college to become a mechanic but I don't know if it's something that she succeeded in or not but she did try anyway....

“She wants to work and has enrolled on a two-day-a-week college course where she is learning to be a mechanic.“She is currently at Level 1 but will progress onto Level 2 soon.

“She wants to set up a mobile mechanic business where she will attend callouts in a van.

“It is aimed at women who struggle to do the basics when it comes to car maintenance such as changing tyres, repairing windscreen wipers and changing water and oil.

“She is determined to work and be successful.”



...she has an agent/manager/whatever though../crikey everyone seems to have managers, I need me a manager..who 'allegedly' is trying to get her a TV career as well, but again..I don't know if that's true..this doesn't seem to be a current story so confusing...good luck to her anyway/whatever she's doing, I hope that it's all working out for her and her family...

I love and admire your genuine generosity and charitable spirit Ammi but this article is nothing but propaganda for this woman and is written for the most mercenary of reasons.

Anyone who supposedly has the intelligence to undertake a college course KNOWS that being employed or self-employed and running any type of business is just not compatible with breeding large numbers of children in relatively quick succession, because those children DEMAND constant 24/7 attention, leaving zilch time for any type of other work.

“She is determined to work and be successful.” then, is nothing more than B.S. self promotion - an attempt to pacify potential critics and render her in a more 'favourable' light.

I think the fact that she has an 'Agent' says it all really, and she is nothing more than a cunning, mercenary self-seeker who wants La Dolce Vita without working for it and - drawing her plans on the success of other Social Leeches such as Josie Cunningham, the Leeds 'Model' (L.O.L.) - is using 'Notoriety' to achieve that Good Life.

Just as with the now famous non-entities who rocketed to fame after 'sex tapes of themselves' were covertly made public by themselves, I would not be the least surprised to discover that this useless bitch was the source of this story and secretly responsible for 'feeding the media' with the details.

The really sad thing about these benefit system abusing twats, is that - as Cherie said - it causes ordinary working, tax-paying people who are struggling by on less than £500 per week, to believe that ALL people on benefits are scroungers, and lends conviction that Cameron's Benefit Cuts program is the right and proper thing to do., which is just NOT the real case at all.

[Amy Jade]

People always say that but when push comes to shove they'll tar everyone on benefits with the same brush.

I don't think that's true at all - I have members of my family on benifit who I feel deserve it through unfortunate circumstances - every issue is different but this woman and her boyfriend imo are irrisponsible in continuing to have children when they can't support them and expect the tax payers to do it for them.

I personally find it quite difficult to feel sorry for the woman here moaning that £500 a week for free isn't enough when she and her other half have been given so many chances and free let offs and you hear of people with serious health issues struggling to afford to support themselves on a pittance the government awards them with.

[Ammi]

I love and admire your genuine generosity and charitable spirit Ammi but this article is nothing but propaganda for this woman and is written for the most mercenary of reasons.

Anyone who supposedly has the intelligence to undertake a college course KNOWS that being employed or self-employed and running any type of business is just not compatible with breeding large numbers of children in relatively quick succession, because those children DEMAND constant 24/7 attention, leaving zilch time for any type of other work.

“She is determined to work and be successful.” then, is nothing more than B.S. self promotion - an attempt to pacify potential critics and render her in a more 'favourable' light.

I think the fact that she has an 'Agent' says it all really, and she is nothing more than a cunning, mercenary self-seeker who wants La Dolce Vita without working for it and - drawing her plans on the success of other Social Leeches such as Josie Cunningham, the Leeds 'Model' (L.O.L.) - is using 'Notoriety' to achieve that Good Life.

Just as with the now famous non-entities who rocketed to fame after 'sex tapes of themselves' were covertly made public by themselves, I would not be the least surprised to discover that this useless bitch was the source of this story and secretly responsible for 'feeding the media' with the details.

The really sad thing about these benefit system abusing twats, is that - as Cherie said - it causes ordinary working, tax-paying people who are struggling by on less than £500 per week, to believe that ALL people on benefits are scroungers, and lends conviction that Cameron's Benefit Cuts program is the right and proper thing to do., which is just NOT the real case at all.



...the thing is though, Kirk...she won't be able to continue to claim benefits if she's declaring any income made from selling her story to different medias and obviously the tax office will be aware of these stories etc...so, she is actually attempting to create an income, which will take her off benefits and possibly gain a better life for her children just by doing this..?..it may not be something that all of the public would approve of as a means to an income but it is 'self created' by types of media as well, their 'thirst' for these kind of stories ....obviously it won't be a permanent income, it won't be long lasting but it could give her the opportunity to be able to make it gro and work for her/fitting something around her family life...

[Ammi]

..anyways, the odd thing about the story is that this is a story from over two years ago and being told as if it's recent and not an update..

[kirklancaster]

I don't entirely disagree with that but the moral thing to do would be to say "This can't happen ANY MORE", as in, make the 2 kid max only apply to children who are born AFTER the point that that is decided.

No, she shouldn't have had 8 kids believing the state would provide for them. If she had known it wouldn't you're right, she likely wouldn't have had so many. So the right thing to do is say to the generation growing up NOW, "you will only get extra money for up to two children". Because... and I don't mean to point out the obvious here... but in the cases where there are already multiple kids, it's sort of too late. I mean you could try to stuff them back in but I'm not sure it would end well. And those kids who are ALREADY HERE and have done nothing wrong OTHER THAN BE BORN do not deserve to suffer for their parents' mistakes.

:laugh: I WAS NOT disagreeing with you T.S - I actually agree with what you said and cannot fault what you say above.

It is not the children's fault and you are right - these kids should NOT be made to suffer in any way for the 'sins of the parents'.

It is a problem the parents have bequeathed us for us to solve - it's not fair, but we cannot do anything about that.

[kirklancaster]

...the thing is though, Kirk...she won't be able to continue to claim benefits if she's declaring any income made from selling her story to different medias and obviously the tax office will be aware of these stories etc...so, she is actually attempting to create an income, which will take her off benefits and possibly gain a better life for her children just by doing this..?..it may not be something that all of the public would approve of as a means to an income but it is 'self created' by types of media as well, their 'thirst' for these kind of stories ....obviously it won't be a permanent income, it won't be long lasting but it could give her the opportunity to be able to make it gro and work for her/fitting something around her family life...

You have such a genuinely beautiful soul Ammi, I think you could even convince me to vote 'IN' in the EU Referendum. :laugh:

Seriously though, I agree that if she is successful in her covert aspirations, then that will be good news for the tax payer as she will be off benefits.

(And I'd like to claim that I'd already thought of that..... But I'd be lying. :hee:)

[Ammi]

..I guess that we could assume that she is trying to create an income and something to build on for her 8 children as this was all two years ago...a 'regular' job of anything she may be skilled at or able to do or be offered as a job, may not have done that...so all of the TV programmes etc that she appears on/any income from newspapers etc she is able to make for her family, it's what she's chosen to do and may have got her off the benefit system ..(and she could still be pursuing her college course in the meantime..)...

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/02/article-2516745-19C6289300000578-404_634x916.jpg


Yes Lady
its not the Children at fault.


I think your Fella
needs to go on ITV1HD "This Morning"

[Johnnyuk123]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/02/article-2516745-19C6289300000578-404_634x916.jpg


Yes Lady
its not the Children at fault.


I think your Fella
needs to go on ITV1HD "This Morning"

Nice wood flooring and leather sofa in the picture and the kids look well fed too.
Not many on benefits can afford nice wood flooring and i'm guessing here but i'm sure there will be a nice big lcd tv in that room and the kids will fend off starvation by playng on the latest sony playstation games console or if that fails they will move over to their ipads until mum phones pizza hut to deliver their dinner.:nono:

[Ammi]

Nice wood flooring and leather sofa in the picture and the kids look well fed too.
Not many on benefits can afford nice wood flooring and i'm guessing here but i'm sure there will be a nice big lcd tv in that room and the kids will fend off starvation by playng on the latest sony playstation games console or if that fails they will move over to their ipads until mum phones pizza hut to deliver their dinner.:nono:

...sensible, practical flooring and sofa, Johnny..:laugh:...all those things are reasonable prices because they are so widely available in the modern day as it were...and with 8 children all under 12yrs old at the time, they seem to me to be perfect choices...and yeah, it's lovely to see the children all looking so smart and healthy..the craziness of that is/the craziness of the system, is if they weren't that/well fed as you say..?..then even on benefits and so very obviously a struggle, they would attract the attention of welfare in terms of possible 'neglect' for being anything other, so well done mum really...in fact, that's what would be said at our school of those children, just looking at them in the pic...that mum was definitely doing many things right and trying her very best...

[joeysteele]

...sensible, practical flooring and sofa, Johnny..:laugh:...all those things are reasonable prices because they are so widely available in the modern day as it were...and with 8 children all under 12yrs old at the time, they seem to me to be perfect choices...and yeah, it's lovely to see the children all looking so smart and healthy..the craziness of that is/the craziness of the system, is if they weren't that/well fed as you say..?..then even on benefits and so very obviously a struggle, they would attract the attention of welfare in terms of possible 'neglect' for being anything other, so well done mum really...in fact, that's what would be said at our school of those children, just looking at them in the pic...that mum was definitely doing many things right and trying her very best...

I agree with all you say above.

The only thing I'd question is as to her having so many children anyway but that is done now.

Also it amuses me when people attack such individuals for having decent furnishings and even luxuries.
When it isn't even known did they buy them 2nd hand, or even did they get them given.
Also some housing and local authorities let you get furnishings and electrical items just about interest free for small payments weekly

3 times I have changed my TV in the last 5 years and each time I have,I have given,yes given the old one to someone I knew in difficulty or on benefits.

Instant 'negative' judgements when facts are not even looked for let alone even known are very dangerous things to do in my view.

[user104658]

"Wood flooring" :joker: Oh Johnny. That's cheap arse laminate that costs less than most carpets per metre squared and won't get stained / ripped and need replacing. It's literally the cheapest sort of flooring you can get. Sofa also looks like the sort of cheaply made, faux leather generic thing you could pick up for £80 second hand. Genuinely amused by this stretch, making out that the home looks luxurious when it in fact looks like bog standard dirt cheap prefab rental decor...

[Cherie]

It doesn't really matter how old the story is, It gets the point across that this is just not acceptable anymore and the benefit cap is a real thing, if you are fit and healthy this isn't a lifestyle choice you can make any more. I would also like to see the Dad put on TV to explain why he walked away from his kids, it's not completely the woman's problem that she has 8 children to bring up.

[DemolitionRed]

Interesting that these right wing papers are making a big deal about this at such an apt time for the government. Even the Metro jumped on the band wagon a few times but the comments left by its readers told a very different story than the comments left in the Daily Mail. A lot of Metro readers were more outraged that their favoured paper was trying to stir up a hate campaign, which is exactly what this is because when the government want to make benefit cuts which will have detrimental effect on many poor families across Britain, they have to make sure the masses are on their side.

Whilst I don't think this woman should of had 8 kids whilst on benefits, I don't care about the story other than it being just another yawn worthy bit of right wing propaganda. I'm annoyed that she was stupid enough to be interviewed because she's helping to trend public opinion, but I'd rather pay my taxes towards a mother and her children than subsidise those champaign charlies in Westminster.

[Cherie]

Interesting that these right wing papers are making a big deal about this at such an apt time for the government. Even the Metro jumped on the band wagon a few times but the comments left by its readers told a very different story than the comments left in the Daily Mail. A lot of Metro readers were more outraged that their favoured paper was trying to stir up a hate campaign, which is exactly what this is because when the government want to make benefit cuts which will have detrimental effect on many poor families across Britain, they have to make sure the masses are on their side.

Whilst I don't think this woman should of had 8 kids whilst on benefits, I don't care about the story other than it being just another yawn worthy bit of right wing propaganda. I'm annoyed that she was stupid enough to be interviewed because she's helping to trend public opinion, but I'd rather pay my taxes towards a mother and her children than subsidise those champaign charlies in Westminster.


I'd rather pay mine towards social care

[arista]

"Wood flooring" :joker: Oh Johnny. That's cheap arse laminate that costs less than most carpets per metre squared and won't get stained / ripped and need replacing. It's literally the cheapest sort of flooring you can get. Sofa also looks like the sort of cheaply made, faux leather generic thing you could pick up for £80 second hand. Genuinely amused by this stretch, making out that the home looks luxurious when it in fact looks like bog standard dirt cheap prefab rental decor...

Yes TS
good points

[Kizzy]

Interesting that these right wing papers are making a big deal about this at such an apt time for the government. Even the Metro jumped on the band wagon a few times but the comments left by its readers told a very different story than the comments left in the Daily Mail. A lot of Metro readers were more outraged that their favoured paper was trying to stir up a hate campaign, which is exactly what this is because when the government want to make benefit cuts which will have detrimental effect on many poor families across Britain, they have to make sure the masses are on their side.

Whilst I don't think this woman should of had 8 kids whilst on benefits, I don't care about the story other than it being just another yawn worthy bit of right wing propaganda. I'm annoyed that she was stupid enough to be interviewed because she's helping to trend public opinion, but I'd rather pay my taxes towards a mother and her children than subsidise those champaign charlies in Westminster.

Yes but it makes decent people so mad they have to start passing comment on her genitalia.

[DemolitionRed]

Yes but it makes decent people so mad they have to start passing comment on her genitalia.

Sure, but that says a lot more about them than it does about her!

[Marsh.]

Not many on benefits can afford nice wood flooring

:joker:

It's cheaper than carpet.

Not to mention, if she lives in council accommodation, then things like that will be done for her.

[Kizzy]

:joker:

It's cheaper than carpet.

Not to mention, if she lives in council accommodation, then things like that will be done for her.

Not true, the council do not provide or fit flooring.

[Marsh.]

Not true, the council do not provide or fit flooring.

Yes they do. If you're moving into a council house, they will ensure the place is in a liveable condition before you move in.

The woman up the road had a new kitchen installed by the council and the roof re-done before she moved in with her two kids.

[Kizzy]

Yes they do. If you're moving into a council house, they will ensure the place is in a liveable condition before you move in.

The woman up the road had a new kitchen installed by the council and the roof re-done before she moved in with her two kids.

Yes it will have a floor, but not flooring.
The kitchen will have composite tiles on the floor, they are not linoleum as they are not replaceable.

[kirklancaster]

"Interesting that these right wing papers are making a big deal about this at such an apt time for the government.

A lot of Metro readers were more outraged that their favoured paper was trying to stir up a hate campaign, which is exactly what this is because when the government want to make benefit cuts which will have detrimental effect on many poor families across Britain, they have to make sure the masses are on their side."


:facepalm:More skewed, 'chip-on-the-shoulder', anti-Government baloney. If you actually look at the photo below, you will see that:

a) There are ALL her 8 children in the shot which PROVES that the photo is CURRENT because her youngest child is only 2 month's old.

b) She is PROUDLY displaying her unpaid MOTORING FINES from TWO YEARS AGO and even fanning them out so that ALL can clearly be seen.

THIS IRREFUTABLY PROVES, THAT FAR FROM THIS BEING SOME B.S. MYTHICAL "RIGHT WING MEDIA/GOVERNMENT HATE CAMPAIGN" - IT IS THIS IRRESPONSIBLE BENEFIT SCROUNGER HERSELF WHO IS FREELY ADVERTISING HER DETAILS IN A CYNICAL BIT OF 'SELF-PROMOTION'.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/02/article-2516745-19C6289300000578-404_634x916.jpg

[Marsh.]

Yes it will have a floor, but not flooring.


True. The cheap laminate flooring laid throughout her house just magically appeared.

[Tom4784]

I don't think that's true at all - I have members of my family on benifit who I feel deserve it through unfortunate circumstances - every issue is different but this woman and her boyfriend imo are irrisponsible in continuing to have children when they can't support them and expect the tax payers to do it for them.

I personally find it quite difficult to feel sorry for the woman here moaning that £500 a week for free isn't enough when she and her other half have been given so many chances and free let offs and you hear of people with serious health issues struggling to afford to support themselves on a pittance the government awards them with.

Child related benefits are a different kettle of fish to benefits like ESA. To compare them is silly.

I do agree that the ESA system needs to be looked at, unhealthy people are dying because of a cruel system but a woman popping out too many kids isn't going to affect the people claiming for being unable to work.

[Crimson Dynamo]

When she appeared on Channel 5's Benefits Britain: Life on the Dole, she admitted last Christmas to buying her seven girls and one boy dozens of presents each and racking up over £1,000 in debt.

Despite this, she also bought herself a new puppy because she was feeling "broody".



http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/651792/Benefits-mother-Marie-Buchan-eight-children-four-bedroom-house-rent-octo-mum

[Vicky.]

I wonder how many of these families are left for the mail to hunt down for 'sensational' headlines :D

[Kizzy]

True. The cheap laminate flooring laid throughout her house just magically appeared.

No it didn't magically appear someone fitted it, what I'm saying to you is that it was not the council.

[Northern Monkey]

I wonder how many of these families are left for the mail to hunt down for 'sensational' headlines :D

I doubt they had to hunt her down.It seems she is trying to aquire some fame from her scumbaggery.She more than likely hunted them down.

[Crimson Dynamo]

im betting that she is not the full shilling

[Vicky.]

Councild do not fit flooring or carpets for tenants. Infact, I had a council house and had brand new carpets and stuff down when I decided to move to Greece when I was 18. Council instead of leaving the new carpets and laminate flooring I had done upstairs, ripped the lot out for the next tenant to replace. Reasons...god knows?

[lostalex]

i think she should get benefits if she agrees to get sterilized.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i think she should get benefits if she agrees to get sterilized.

I read that her womb is near collapsed and doctors have told her she cant procreate any more, thankfully.

[lostalex]

I read that her womb is near collapsed and doctors have told her she cant procreate any more, thankfully.

or maybe it's so stretched out that now she can carry even more babies?

[DemolitionRed]

Councild do not fit flooring or carpets for tenants. Infact, I had a council house and had brand new carpets and stuff down when I decided to move to Greece when I was 18. Council instead of leaving the new carpets and laminate flooring I had done upstairs, ripped the lot out for the next tenant to replace. Reasons...god knows?

its because it would have to be classed as a fixture and fitting which could make the council responsible, if and when it needs replacing.

Why they don't just get the new tenant to sign a disclaimer is crazy though.

[Marsh.]

No it didn't magically appear someone fitted it, what I'm saying to you is that it was not the council.

Except I'm saying to you that it was. :unsure:

[user104658]

Except I'm saying to you that it was. :unsure:
Are you totally sure about this? Because I'm pretty sure they don't provide carpets / etc. Are you sure it wasn't fitted by the previous occupants and simply left by the council?

The only other explanation I can think of, is that you'll find some sort of hideous safety hazard under that laminate if you ever lift it :joker:

[Cherie]

Are you totally sure about this? Because I'm pretty sure they don't provide carpets / etc. Are you sure it wasn't fitted by the previous occupants and simply left by the council?

The only other explanation I can think of, is that you'll find some sort of hideous safety hazard under that laminate if you ever lift it :joker:

Maybe some councils will pay for it to be done?

[Gstar]

£500 is not enough tbf

[Kizzy]

Except I'm saying to you that it was. :unsure:
It may be housing association, they might.

[DemolitionRed]

How did we get to talking about cheap laminate flooring?

Ah yes, it was Johnny who suggested she had expensive wooden floors!!

[Kizzy]

How did we get to talking about cheap laminate flooring?

Ah yes, it was Johnny who suggested she had expensive wooden floors!!

Yes all of a sudden council tenants get wooden floors fitted gratis, and chandeliers... and altars to Mr Cameron :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Are you totally sure about this? Because I'm pretty sure they don't provide carpets / etc. Are you sure it wasn't fitted by the previous occupants and simply left by the council?

No, the entire house was gutted after the previous occupants who lived worse than animals. :omgno:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, the entire house was gutted after the previous occupants who lived worse than animals. :omgno:

one of The Truth's tenants?

[user104658]

one of The Truth's tenants?
David Cameron. The place was absolutely drenched in pig blood and human semen.

[Tom4784]

How did we get to talking about cheap laminate flooring?

Because people that whine about people on benefits would like to see them living on food stamps without any quality of life. It's an attitude I've seen from both sides of the coin.

People on benefits are just an easy target for the armchair warriors to spew their bile over and engage in their malice without feeling guilty about it.

[Cherie]

Because people that whine about people on benefits would like to see them living on food stamps without any quality of life. It's an attitude I've seen from both sides.

People on benefits are just an easy target for the armchair warriors to spew their bile over and engage in their malice without feeling guilty about it.

Spewing and malice, two words that could be attributed to your post :umm2:

[Tom4784]

Spewing and malice, two words that could be attributed to your post :umm2:

Really? Are you sure you know what Malice means?

malice
ˈmalɪs/Submit
noun
the desire to harm someone; ill will.
"I bear no malice towards anybody"
synonyms: spitefulness, spite, malevolence, maliciousness, animosity, hostility, ill will, ill feeling, hatred, hate, bitterness, venom, vindictiveness, vengefulness, revenge, malignity, malignance, evil intentions, animus, enmity, devilment, devilry, bad blood, backbiting, gall, rancour, spleen, grudge; More

I've shown no malice in that post and I've certainly not spewing anything. It's probably not the best idea to accuse someone of something when you don't know what it means.

[Cherie]

Really? Are you sure you know what Malice means?



I've shown no malice in that post and I've certainly not spewing anything. It's probably not the best idea to accuse someone of something when you don't know what it means.

I know exactly what it means you use passive aggressive rhetoric in many of your posts, aimed at members whose views you don't agree with.

[Tom4784]

I know exactly what it means you use passive aggressive rhetoric in many of your posts, aimed at members whose views you don't agree with.

Oh Sweetheart, in the space of two posts you've called me malicious, passive aggressive and incapable of accepting other people's opinions....all because you cannot accept MY opinion. I'm not attacking you. You are the aggressor here, dear.

You've offered no counter to the post you originally quoted and instead you've attempted to (poorly) drag my character.

[kirklancaster]

Because people that whine about people on benefits would like to see them living on food stamps without any quality of life. It's an attitude I've seen from both sides of the coin.

People on benefits are just an easy target for the armchair warriors to spew their bile over and engage in their malice without feeling guilty about it.

And here, in one post, we have some of the greatest problems on TIBB - Misinterpretation and Sweeping Statements, and Unwarranted Insult.

Without exception, those of us on here who have made unfavourable comments about this particular 'claimant' are criticising HER and HER alone -and NOT all 'people on benefits'.

There is an extensive, ready checkable history in the media, of this woman's lifestyle and life choices - thanks to her penchant for self-promotion and her desire to be in the 'limelight' - and it stamps her as a cynical, selfish, and very astute manipulator, and benefits system abuser.

She is someone who not only deserves the adverse criticism which some of us direct at her, but also someone who DESIRES it, because - as with the Leeds 'model' Josie Cunningham, who abused the benefits system for tens of thousands of pounds in breast enlargement and other cosmetic surgical ehancement procedures on the N.H.S and contacted the media to 'boast' about it all - this arrogant selfish bitch KNOWS that with the resultant and inevitable backlash, comes the 'notoriety' which all but guarantees 'celebrity' and fame.

The fact that both she and Cunningham have 'AGENTS' is irrefutable testament to the above.

The Benefits system and NHS, was never designed to be exploited in such a way, and with each case of much needed funds being 'misappropriated' in such a manner, then the undeniable reality is, that GENUINE people in REAL need are being deprived of the level of help which could alleviate THEIR suffering.

NO ONE on this thread has 'spewed' any 'bile' about 'people on benefits' - only about this particular selfish benefits abuser, and in the greatest IRONY, it is not US who are criticising her who 'would like to see' people on benefits 'living on food stamps without any quality of life' but people like YOU who are more likely to bring about such a scenario, when you are too blinded by your own personal issues that you cannot differentiate between benefit abusers and genuine claimants, and while ever you continue to defend the indefensible as a result.

Far from 'people on benefits' being an easy target for armchair warriors to spew their bile over and engage in their malice without feeling guilty about it.' it appears to me, that it is those of us who have the nerve to speak out about benefit scroungers who are the victims of billious attack by malicious 'armchair warriors' - purely because we speak the truth about scroungers and recognise that they DO indeed exist.

[kirklancaster]

I know exactly what it means you use passive aggressive rhetoric in many of your posts, aimed at members whose views you don't agree with.

I could NOT agree more Cherie.

[Cherie]

And here, in one post, we have some of the greatest problems on TIBB - Misinterpretation and Sweeping Statements, and Unwarranted Insult.

Without exception, those of us on here who have made unfavourable comments about this particular 'claimant' are criticising HER and HER alone -and NOT all 'people on benefits'.

There is an extensive, ready checkable history in the media, of this woman's lifestyle and life choices - thanks to her penchant for self-promotion and her desire to be in the 'limelight' - and it stamps her as a cynical, selfish, and very astute manipulator, and benefits system abuser.

She is someone who not only deserves the adverse criticism which some of us direct at her, but also someone who DESIRES it, because - as with the Leeds 'model' Josie Cunningham, who abused the benefits system for tens of thousands of pounds in breast enlargement and other cosmetic surgical ehancement procedures on the N.H.S and contacted the media to 'boast' about it all - this arrogant selfish bitch KNOWS that with the resultant and inevitable backlash, comes the 'notoriety' which all but guarantees 'celebrity' and fame.

The fact that both she and Cunningham have 'AGENTS' is irrefutable testament to the above.

The Benefits system and NHS, was never designed to be exploited in such a way, and with each case of much needed funds being 'misappropriated' in such a manner, then the undeniable reality is, that GENUINE people in REAL need are being deprived of the level of help which could alleviate THEIR suffering.

NO ONE on this thread has 'spewed' any 'bile' about 'people on benefits' - only about this particular selfish benefits abuser, and in the greatest IRONY, it is not US who are criticising her who 'would like to see' people on benefits 'living on food stamps without any quality of life' but people like YOU who are more likely to bring about such a scenario, when you are too blinded by your own personal issues that you cannot differentiate between benefit abusers and genuine claimants, and while ever you continue to defend the indefensible as a result.

Far from 'people on benefits' being an easy target for armchair warriors to spew their bile over and engage in their malice without feeling guilty about it.' it appears to me, that it is those of us who have the nerve to speak out about benefit scroungers who are the victims of billious attack by malicious 'armchair warriors' - purely because we speak the truth about scroungers and recognise that they DO indeed exist.


Great post Kirk :clap2:

[Northern Monkey]

And here, in one post, we have some of the greatest problems on TIBB - Misinterpretation and Sweeping Statements, and Unwarranted Insult.

Without exception, those of us on here who have made unfavourable comments about this particular 'claimant' are criticising HER and HER alone -and NOT all 'people on benefits'.

There is an extensive, ready checkable history in the media, of this woman's lifestyle and life choices - thanks to her penchant for self-promotion and her desire to be in the 'limelight' - and it stamps her as a cynical, selfish, and very astute manipulator, and benefits system abuser.

She is someone who not only deserves the adverse criticism which some of us direct at her, but also someone who DESIRES it, because - as with the Leeds 'model' Josie Cunningham, who abused the benefits system for tens of thousands of pounds in breast enlargement and other cosmetic surgical ehancement procedures on the N.H.S and contacted the media to 'boast' about it all - this arrogant selfish bitch KNOWS that with the resultant and inevitable backlash, comes the 'notoriety' which all but guarantees 'celebrity' and fame.

The fact that both she and Cunningham have 'AGENTS' is irrefutable testament to the above.

The Benefits system and NHS, was never designed to be exploited in such a way, and with each case of much needed funds being 'misappropriated' in such a manner, then the undeniable reality is, that GENUINE people in REAL need are being deprived of the level of help which could alleviate THEIR suffering.

NO ONE on this thread has 'spewed' any 'bile' about 'people on benefits' - only about this particular selfish benefits abuser, and in the greatest IRONY, it is not US who are criticising her who 'would like to see' people on benefits 'living on food stamps without any quality of life' but people like YOU who are more likely to bring about such a scenario, when you are too blinded by your own personal issues that you cannot differentiate between benefit abusers and genuine claimants, and while ever you continue to defend the indefensible as a result.

Far from 'people on benefits' being an easy target for armchair warriors to spew their bile over and engage in their malice without feeling guilty about it.' it appears to me, that it is those of us who have the nerve to speak out about benefit scroungers who are the victims of billious attack by malicious 'armchair warriors' - purely because we speak the truth about scroungers and recognise that they DO indeed exist.:clap1:

[Northern Monkey]

I know exactly what it means you use passive aggressive rhetoric in many of your posts, aimed at members whose views you don't agree with.:thumbs:

[Kizzy]

Why do individuals like this woman, Josie and Dee have agents? Because they fit the image that is pushed to perpetuate the stereotype claimant.
Why else?