US student gets 15 years in North Korea for stealing poster

[Niamh.]

S**t :/


Otto Warmbier sentenced to hard labour over ‘severe and pre-planned’ crime

http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.2575148.1458114686!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg

An American student who took a political propaganda poster from a hotel in the North Korean capital Pyongyang has been sentenced to 15 years hard labour for crimes against the state.
Otto Warmbier (21) an undergraduate student at the University of Virginia, was convicted after a one-hour trial on Wednesday morning at North Korea’s supreme court, China’s Xinhua news agency reported.
Last month he tearfully apologised at a news conference in Pyongyang for stealing the poster, saying he wanted it as a trophy for a friend’s mother and confessing that his crime was “very severe and pre-planned”.
He was at the end of a five-day New Year’s group tour of North Korea.
Westerners are regularly arrested in North Korea, many of them Christian evangelists trying to proselytise. They are often convicted of subversion crimes including illegal entry and leaving a Bible behind in a hotel.
A 60-year-old South Korean-born Canadian pastor was arrested in North Korea last year and given a life sentence for subversion, while earlier this month, a Korean-American called Kim Dong-chul was jailed for spying for South Korea.
In 2009, two American journalists were arrested in North Korea and freed after Bill Clinton flew to Pyongyang, and in 2014, Pyongyang released three detained Americans.
North Korea has used jailed Americans in the past to extract high-profile visits from the United States, with which it has no formal diplomatic relations.
Earlier this week, US diplomat Bill Richardson, the former governor of New Mexico, met with two North Korean officials in New York to urge Mr Warmbier’s release on humanitarian grounds.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/us-student-gets-15-years-in-north-korea-for-stealing-poster-1.2575149

[MTVN]

It was very stupid of him but its a horrible price to pay, can't imagine how you'd cope with that

Couldn't have done it at a worse time for US-NK relations either so not much chance of him being shown any clemency

[Niamh.]

It was very stupid of him but its a horrible price to pay, can't imagine how you'd cope with that

Couldn't have done it at a worse time for US-NK relations either so not much chance of him being shown any clemency

My brother was in North Korea a couple of years back as well :worry: I guess they focus more on the American tourists though. He said when their tour was going in they were allowed to either get the train or to fly but American tourists were only allowed to fly in for some reason

[Crimson Dynamo]

idiot boy

[arista]

Yes this was thought to be
getting told off
and banned?

But of course it is "North" Korea

[Tom4784]

Let's hope the US can strongarm them into letting him go. NK is all bark and no bite when it comes to the national stage, if US exercises some pressure on them then they'll likely relent.

[DemolitionRed]

Its beyond me why any American would want to visit NK.
Poor guy.

[bots]

its all related to the the USA and South Korea doing their annual practice. While NK are crazy to say the least, the USA and South Korea wind them up at this time every year with their exercises, talk about prodding a bear with a stick .... I'm sure the guy will be released in a couple of months when tensions subside

[Northern Monkey]

Its beyond me why any American would want to visit NK.
Poor guy.

This exactly.

[MTVN]

I think it'd be a fascinating country to visit

[Northern Monkey]

its all related to the the USA and South Korea doing their annual practice. While NK are crazy to say the least, the USA and South Korea wind them up at this time every year with their exercises, talk about prodding a bear with a stick .... I'm sure the guy will be released in a couple of months when tensions subside

That's very one sided.You fail to mention NK's nuclear tests and firing missiles off the coast.

[bots]

That's very one sided.You fail to mention NK's nuclear tests and firing missiles off the coast.

they did that in response to the exercises. The same predictable stuff happens every year :laugh:

The nuke test, was different of course

[DemolitionRed]

I think it'd be a fascinating country to visit

Sure but not if your an American.
This is what U.S. Passports and international travel have to say.

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/north-korea-travel-warning.html

[RichardG]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/north-korea-back-otto-warmbiers-strange-sad-trip-48113955

More than 15 months later, he has finally been reunited with his parents and two younger siblings.

Whether he is even aware of that is uncertain.

"His neurological condition can be best described as a state of unresponsive wakefulness," said Dr. Daniel Kanter, director of neurocritical care for the University of Cincinnati Health system. Doctors say he has suffered "severe neurological injury," with extensive loss of brain tissue and "profound weakness and contraction" of his muscles, arms and legs. His eyes will open and blink, but without signs of understanding verbal commands or his surroundings.

Warmbier, now 22, remains hospitalized at the UC Medical Center immediately after his arrival late Tuesday aboard a medevac flight following North Korea's decision to release him for what it called humanitarian reasons — and under strong pressure after the Trump administration learned of his condition in a special U.S. envoy's June 6 meeting in New York with North Korea's ambassador to the United Nations.

His parents, Fred and Cindy Warmbier, were told he had been in a coma since shortly after being sentenced March 16, 2016, to 15 years of prison with hard labor.

If life had gone to plan, he today would be in his first month as a new graduate of the University of Virginia.

[UserSince2005]

Yes a saw this the other day, bizzare

[JoshBB]

Insane. I honestly don't know why anyone would even want to visit the country in it's current state, just so dangerous.

[Beso]

Lucky bastard got off easy.

[RichardG]

i wonder what they did to him in his jail cell to put him in this state... :worry:

[bots]

wars have been started for less

[DemolitionRed]

This is so unbelievably tragic.

[Niamh.]

Lucky bastard got off easy.

umm

[MTVN]

He has now died: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40335169

[bots]

He has now died: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40335169

such a sad story

[Niamh.]

He has now died: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40335169

oh god, poor guy and his poor family. The country is disturbing, I can't believe my own brother actually visited there :worry:

[RichardG]

rip

oh god, poor guy and his poor family. The country is disturbing, I can't believe my own brother actually visited there :worry:

most people survive unharmed, you just have to bow down to the leader and be very respectful and you'll be fine. an unbearably sad story, but stealing a poster was a very silly thing to do - there's eyes and ears watching ur every move over there. i should be going on a year abroad to south korea next year and i was planning on making a trip to north korea but i just had an essay published in my uni journal criticising the government so on reflection i don't think that me going there would be the best idea anymore haha.

[Niamh.]

rip



most people survive unharmed, you just have to bow down to the leader and be very respectful and you'll be fine. an unbearably sad story, but stealing a poster was a very silly thing to do - there's eyes and ears watching ur every move over there. i should be going on a year abroad to south korea next year and i was planning on making a trip to north korea but i just had an essay published in my uni journal criticising the government so on reflection i don't think that me going there would be the best idea anymore haha.

omg yeah, take this story as a warning, I don't think it's worth the visit Richard

[MB.]

First of all, this is murder, and second of all, I don't entirely believe the poster story, considering the only evidence seems to be a grainy piece of footage in which the guy's face and distinguishing features are conveniently hidden

[Denver]

How can they leave him in a coma for a year

[smudgie]

Tragic.:bawling:
Poor lad, he had his life ahead of him.
I am pleased he came back home to his family for his last goodbye.

[Niamh.]

How can they leave him in a coma for a year

This is North Korea we're talking about

[bots]

They think it all happened very recently, the year thing is likely just more misinformation.

He had been tortured and suffered a trauma that cut off the blood supply to his brain.

If I were the north koreans, i would be very concerned right now because Trump's response was unusually well controlled and he needs to divert attention away from internal matters at the moment.

[Denver]

I expect Trump to attack first tbh

[RichardG]

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-41430537


In their interview with Fox and Friends, Fred and Cindy Warmbier said when they first saw him on his return, their son was "jerking violently" and made "inhuman sounds".

They said his arms and legs were "totally deformed", he had a scar on his foot that had been an open wound for some time, and his bottom teeth looked "like someone had taken a pair of pliers" to them.

"Otto was systematically tortured and intentionally injured by Kim and his regime," said Mr Warmbier.

Dr Sammarco conducted an external examination and scans of Mr Warmbier's body - his parents refused a post-mortem.

She said she was "surprised" by the Warmbiers' statement.

"I felt very comfortable that there wasn't any evidence of trauma" to the teeth, she told reporters. There were only small scars on his body, including his foot. One of the scars could not be explained.

But she said his body and skin were in "excellent condition" for someone who had been bedridden for more than a year.

She said he died from lack of oxygen and blood to the brain caused by an injury more than year before.

so bizarre that his parents were lying about this. and why refuse an autopsy. :conf2:

rip

[DemolitionRed]

912636538156146688

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-41430537



so bizarre that his parents were lying about this. and why refuse an autopsy. :conf2:

rip

I've been following this story closely so I'm glad you posted this.
Although the coroner couldn't do an autopsy, it was noted that they could find no outward signs of torture. The coroner thought it was probable that Otto got an infection like pneumonia which turned to sepsis. It was also noted that the change of drugs after he was moved back to the US could have directly resulted in his death. There is though, a possibility that Otto suffered asphyxiation starving his brain of oxygen.

Unfortunately, we will never know.

[Beso]

umm

On reflection.:bawling: