Car Thief , 19, Gets 20 Years For Killing Policeman

[arista]

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http://news.sky.com/story/1663910/car-thief-gets-20-years-for-killing-pc


The wife of the Policeman is so upset
at losing her husband to this Scum Thief.

[He hit the 34-year-old officer at around 50mph in a stolen Mitsubishi L200 truck]

[Jurors at Manchester Crown Court cleared
him of murder and convicted him
of the alternative count of manslaughter.]

[Denver]

I think it's the right decision and the right sentence but this boy if the state give him help can easily change his life around he was failed from the day he was born now is the time to help him change.

He will probably be out in 7/8 years on parole if he is good and he needs a lot of help because deep down I think he can be a good person and he deserves a chance to change things around.

[arista]

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Evil Punk

[Northern Monkey]

I agree that it was the right sentence but something tells me that if it was'nt a copper he'd killed and just your average joe public that he'd have got less time.

[Niamh.]

I agree that it was the right sentence but something tells me that if it was'nt a copper he'd killed and just your average joe public that he'd have got less time.

100% .....it's a shame justice is only served for certain people

[bots]

100% .....it's a shame justice is only served for certain people

the punishment should be greater when emergency service personnel are targeted, I think.

[user104658]

the punishment should be greater when emergency service personnel are targeted, I think.

Yes, as their lives are worth more on balance.

[Niamh.]

the punishment should be greater when emergency service personnel are targeted, I think.

I disagree, I do agree with this punishment but think it should apply to any life

[Niamh.]

the punishment should be greater when emergency service personnel are targeted, I think.

Totally off topic here but are you male or female BOTS? I was sure you said you were male and someone else I was speaking to is convinced you said you were female :laugh:

[arista]

Totally off topic here but are you male or female BOTS? I was sure you said you were male and someone else I was speaking to is convinced you said you were female :laugh:


He is Male

[Niamh.]

He is Male

That's what i thought :hee:

[Ammi]

..I just read this earlier...it's such a tragedy for everyone, I think...whilst I do agree with the sentencing, I also agree with Clayton Williams' lawyer that he seems to be someone who has sadly been completely failed by a system, taking cannabis from the age of 6yrs old and in an environment that he had no control over etc...I think it's good that Dave Phillips' widow spoke in court and he had to face the impact on her and her children as well of what he did...

[bots]

That's what i thought :hee:

I'm a man! :fist:

[bots]

I disagree, I do agree with this punishment but think it should apply to any life

The emergency services are there to protect the public, its for that reason I think there should be tougher penalties when they come to harm

[arista]

..I just read this earlier...it's such a tragedy for everyone, I think...whilst I do agree with the sentencing, I also agree with Clayton Williams' lawyer that he seems to be someone who has sadly been completely failed by a system, taking cannabis from the age of 6yrs old and in an environment that he had no control over etc...I think it's good that Dave Phillips' widow spoke in court and he had to face the impact on her and her children as well of what he did...


Yes a Young Junkie Thief
but that Cops Wife and kids
have a Horrid Life now.


Evil Punk

[Ammi]

Yes a Young Junkie Thief
but that Cops Wife and kids
have a Horrid Life now.


Evil Punk

..if he was evil Arista, he wouldn't have been in tears himself while Dave Philips' widow spoke in court about the impact of what he had done, on herself and their children..but he does have to face full justice for his acts and it's right that he has...

[Crimson Dynamo]

All I can think about is the poor policemans family.

Law enforcement officers are criminally undervalued.

[Rob!]

Yeah that sentence was because he killed a policeman. Excellent for the families that justice was delivered in some sense but the phrase "you get less for murder" is becoming more and more trueful these days.

[Denver]

All I can think about is the poor policemans family.

Law enforcement officers are criminally undervalued.

I feel for the boy.

I don't agree with what he has done and he should be punished but nobody has ever cared about him, he was threw on the scrap heap from birth he has been damaged so there is no wonder he chose a life of crime when it could have been prevented.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I feel for the boy.

I don't agree with what he has done and he should be punished but nobody has ever cared about him, he was threw on the scrap heap from birth he has been damaged so there is no wonder he chose a life of crime when it could have been prevented.

Bollocks

There are plenty like him who grew up decent law abiding people

[Denver]

Bollocks

There are plenty like him who grew up decent law abiding people

No there is not you are talking bollocks.

He had one of the worst upbringings possible and not even child services cared enough when they should have.

Who lets a 6 year old do drugs?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No there is not you are talking bollocks.

He had one of the worst upbringings possible and not even child services cared enough when they should have.

Who lets a 6 year old do drugs?
Plenty have had worse and become model citizens

Don't make excuses for crims

[Denver]

Plenty have had worse and become model citizens

Don't make excuses for crims

I'm making no excuses I'm saying he should have had more help and now the time is to help him it's clear to see he is not a evil person.

[arista]

..if he was evil Arista, he wouldn't have been in tears himself while Dave Philips' widow spoke in court about the impact of what he had done, on herself and their children..but he does have to face full justice for his acts and it's right that he has...


Yes he Drove into the Copper
Killed him


EVIL


Lock him up

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm making no excuses I'm saying he should have had more help and now the time is to help him it's clear to see he is not a evil person.

There is no such thing as evil. He is a criminal

[Denver]

Yes he Drove into the Copper
Killed him


EVIL


Lock him up

He swerved and hit him he did not mean to hit him and certainly didn't wish to kill him.

[Denver]

There is no such thing as evil. He is a criminal

And he deserves a proper 2nd chance, the opportunity when he gets out to change his life and help others in the same position

[arista]

He swerved and hit him he did not mean to hit him and certainly didn't wish to kill him.


Yes but he did

[thesheriff443]

this case has been played out in the news papers, so justice will be seen to be done.
He never set out to kill anyone and the police officer put himself in danger to stop a car thief.
He deserved to serve a prison sentence but not for that amount of time.

[Beso]

the punishment should be greater when emergency service personnel are targeted, I think.

the copper wasn't targeted though so the sentence is far to severe.

[arista]

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[kirklancaster]

I agree that it was the right sentence but something tells me that if it was'nt a copper he'd killed and just your average joe public that he'd have got less time.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: IF he had got time at all.

[kirklancaster]

the copper wasn't targeted though so the sentence is far to severe.

Aaah - The Laws of Cause and Effect.

If he had not freely arrogantly, and contemptuously, elected to steal someone else's car, then this tragedy would not have happened and a young man would not have had his precious life so cruelly and prematurely ended, a grief stricken young wife would not now be a widow with an uncertain future, and those poor young children would not have lost their daddy and have had their lives decimated.

The young cop might have been a little reckless in the way he chose to try to stop this car thief - but only because it was naive of him to expect someone so contemptuous of the law to actually stop - and the young cop was, after all, only trying to carry out the duties which we taxpayers pay him to do on our behalf.

I have zilch sympathy for the culprit because all my sympathy is for the victim and his wretched family, and if this sentence makes just one would be car thief/boy racer stop and think and desist, then it will have served its dual purpose as both punishment AND deterrent.

R.I.P to the cop and my deepest sympathy to his family.

[Livia]

He swerved and hit him he did not mean to hit him and certainly didn't wish to kill him.

That's what he said. But you don't aim a car at a person without the knowledge you're probably going to kill them.

Maybe you should save your tears for the little children of the man he killed who will now grow up without a father.

Also, I don't see any actual evidence that the sentence handed out was more because the victim was a policeman. If a sentence is handed out for a crime then precedent would dictate that the next time the same crime was committed the sentence would be the same regardless of who was killed.

[Livia]

the copper wasn't targeted though so the sentence is far to severe.

Maybe you're in charge of some information not presented in court.

But I doubt it.

[Denver]

That's what he said. But you don't aim a car at a person without the knowledge you're probably going to kill them.

Maybe you should save your tears for the little children of the man he killed who will now grow up without a father.

Also, I don't see any actual evidence that the sentence handed out was more because the victim was a policeman. If a sentence is handed out for a crime then precedent would dictate that the next time the same crime was committed the sentence would be the same regardless of who was killed.
A lot of people guilty of manslaughter get less then ten years so why should this boy get double?

[Livia]

A lot of people guilty of manslaughter get less then ten years so why should this boy get double?

He must have had a really good brief to get manslaughter and not murder, which in my view, is what it was and I'm sure that's what the prosecution would have pushed for if all the evidence available has been presented in court, which it wasn't. Secondly, precedent doesn't apply to all manslaughter cases, it applies to cases which are alike in every detail. If someone had committed exactly the same crime in exactly the same way with exactly the same consequences except the victim wasn't a policeman, then the sentence would have to be the same under the law of precedent. He got twenty years because that's what he deserved at the very least.

And really, I'm at a loss that anyone is feeling any kind of sympathy for this waste of skin and organs. No sympathy for the family of the copper who was out there doing his job? Shame.

Also, you refer to him as a boy. He is a man above the age of majority, legally able to smoke, drink, get married, die in battle.... and serve a sentence he deserved.

[Denver]

He must have had a really good brief to get manslaughter and not murder, which in my view, is what it was and I'm sure that's what the prosecution would have pushed for if all the evidence available has been presented in court, which it wasn't. Secondly, precedent doesn't apply to all manslaughter cases, it applies to cases which are alike in every detail. If someone had committed exactly the same crime in exactly the same way with exactly the same consequences except the victim wasn't a policeman, then the sentence would have to be the same under the law of precedent. He got twenty years because that's what he deserved at the very least.

And really, I'm at a loss that anyone is feeling any kind of sympathy for this waste of skin and organs. No sympathy for the family of the copper who was out there doing his job? Shame.

Also, you refer to him as a boy. He is a man above the age of majority, legally able to smoke, drink, get married, die in battle.... and serve a sentence he deserved.

It wasn't murder he didn't plan to kill him it's even possible he wouldn't have saw him until it's too late because it was the dark.

I feel sorry for him because he was never given a chance at life he was always set up to fail just because I feel sorry for this boy doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for the widowed wife and kids who lost their dad.

[Livia]

It wasn't murder he didn't plan to kill him it's even possible he wouldn't have saw him until it's too late because it was the dark.

I feel sorry for him because he was never given a chance at life he was always set up to fail just because I feel sorry for this boy doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for the widowed wife and kids who lost their dad.

Actually he swerved right then left, lining himself up for the hit so I disagree that he didn't see him. I've seen the footage and although it's rather graining I can see the copper quite clearly. If he couldn't see him perhaps he's partially sighted and shouldn't have been driving anyway. What's nmore he said "watch this" before he hit the copper. It was not admissible in court, I don't know the reason why... but if it had been he could be serving life with no parole, which I think he deserves.

Anyhoo... that all aside... hey Adam :-)

[Niamh.]

Actually he swerved right then left, lining himself up for the hit so I disagree that he didn't see him. I've seen the footage and although it's rather graining I can see the copper quite clearly. If he couldn't see him perhaps he's partially sighted and shouldn't have been driving anyway. What's nmore he said "watch this" before he hit the copper. It was not admissible in court, I don't know the reason why... but if it had been he could be serving life with no parole, which I think he deserves.

Anyhoo... that all aside... hey Adam :-)

ohh if that was the case then he should have been charged with murder not manslaughter imo

[Livia]

ohh if that was the case then he should have been charged with murder not manslaughter imo

Congratulations on understanding what I wrote. I've got a cold... which accounts for any typos, obviously.

[Niamh.]

Congratulations on understanding what I wrote. I've got a cold... which accounts for any typos, obviously.

:laugh:

I don't like watching those types of videos for myself :/

[Denver]

Actually he swerved right then left, lining himself up for the hit so I disagree that he didn't see him. I've seen the footage and although it's rather graining I can see the copper quite clearly. If he couldn't see him perhaps he's partially sighted and shouldn't have been driving anyway. What's nmore he said "watch this" before he hit the copper. It was not admissible in court, I don't know the reason why... but if it had been he could be serving life with no parole, which I think he deserves.

Anyhoo... that all aside... hey Adam :-)
Hey Livia :wavey:

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this maybe I just like to see the best in people..

[Cherie]

I don't follow this case but from what I know I expected him to be charged with murder.

[Beso]

Maybe you're in charge of some information not presented in court.

But I doubt it.

manslaughter not murder.