Salford bans Chavs - Terry Christian on Radio 4 said its like Downton

[arista]

http://www.ilivehere.co.uk/salford-yet-again.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b074xvh6
play on this link

[Would you ******* believe it? A council has ******* banned swearing in public.
The council in question is Salford which has used a Public Space Protection Order
to tackle anti-social behaviour in the Salford Quays area which includes Media City
, home to the BBC, which might be just a coincidence. Part of the order says it will be deemed a
criminal offence if anyone is caught 'using foul and abusive language'. Public Space Protection Orders,
or PSPOs, are similar to ASBO's (anti-social behaviour orders)../......
If it is true that inconsiderate behaviour is increasing in our society, how should we deal with it?
How do we balance our moral obligation to the rest of society
with our desire to do what we **** well please? Chaired by Michael Buerk with Claire Fox,
Michael Portillo, Giles Fraser and Anne McElvoy.
Witnesses are Anna Minton, Alfie Moore,
Danny Kruger and Terry Christian.]


This was Debated last night on Radio 4
Moral Maze 8PM. last night


No more Skateboarding
No Swearing etc
Salford Keys
Salford Media City etc.

Terry says its wrong
the rest on that panel
did not agree with him

But he made some great points.

He is Clever he said about one example
saying someone asked some else how much it is F her


100 Pound
Fine for swearing to come in.


A copper came on and said Well done Salford

[Kizzy]

Thought police next... :/

[arista]

Thought police next... :/



Would you like a Chav Skateboarding
into your Shopping bags? Kizzy


I hope you have time to click and play the Fab Link
from last night

[RichardG]

could do with a chav ban here in st helens, a ban on all those emo skateboarders swarming the place would be appreciated too :fist:

[Black Dagger]

Can they ****ing ban him next? Odious gremlin.

[arista]

could do with a chav ban here in st helens, a ban on all those emo skateboarders swarming the place would be appreciated too :fist:



Yes they are thinking of other zones

[arista]

Can they ****ing ban him next? Odious gremlin.


Who?

[Black Dagger]

Terry Christian

[Cherie]

Kizzy banned from skateboarding in Salford..:sad:

[arista]

Terry Christian



He is only in the First bit
and is sticking up for Chavs


Worth clicking the link and hearing the Full debate
Lucas

[kirklancaster]

Dickhead Terry Christian is a chav, and living proof that being a 'celebrity' is no guarantor that they will ever have anything intelligent to say outside of a script.

[AnnieK]

They'll make a ********** fortune in Salford if they enforce it :laugh: So much more is needed to make Salford safer than fining people for swearing

[arista]

Dickhead Terry Christian is a chav, and living proof that being a 'celebrity' is no guarantor that they will ever have anything intelligent to say outside of a script.


But he is a Working Chav

[Niamh.]

Am I the only one who likes Terry Christian? :fan:

[arista]

They'll make a ********** fortune in Salford if they enforce it :laugh: So much more is needed to make Salford safer than fining people for swearing


Yes Potty Mouth Salford Chavs


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-i23K3A8IntQ/TcXjPuKBVjI/AAAAAAAAAng/BRuSizAF-58/s1600/chav.jpg

[arista]

Am I the only one who likes Terry Christian? :fan:



He did make Valid Points at the start of this

[kirklancaster]

They'll make a ********** fortune in Salford if they enforce it :laugh: So much more is needed to make Salford safer than fining people for swearing

:laugh::laugh::laugh: I have fond memories of the place though.

[Kizzy]

Chav... What a ridiculous nonsensical word. Demonising youth culture yey! :/
It's a pathetic 'rule' it'll be a manc version of father Ted as they try to get round the ban, feck! erse! girls! top, mad fer it! :laugh:

[arista]

Chav... What a ridiculous nonsensical word. Demonising youth culture yey! :/
It's a pathetic 'rule' it'll be a manc version of father Ted as they try to get round the ban, feck! erse! girls! top, mad fer it! :laugh:


Older Folks find these Chavs
a danger to them

Thats the whole point
for these Fines

[RichardG]

it's time to get the chavs off our streets :clap1:

[Kizzy]

Older Folks find these Chavs
a danger to them

Thats the whole point
for these Fines

Rubbish, it's arbitrary tosh, control of public space.

[kirklancaster]

it's time to get the chavs off our streets :clap1:

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Well said Richard.

[Johnnyuk123]

Chavs are the main reason why i wont go there.I won't go to Manchester,Bolton or Leeds either cos it's over run with these inbred potty mouthed morons.:nono:

[AnnieK]

I have lived and still work in Salford and these so called "chavs" in Arista's pic are so few and far between - yeah you will see people like that but you'll see them anywhere. I am proud of being from Manchester and the diversity you will find there. Articles like this are so stereotypical. :shrug:

[bots]

I can understand it if its a bunch of yobs shouting and swearing. If its a quiet little get tae **** or similar, I can't see it being enforced. These Chavs can all just **** off

[arista]

I can understand it if its a bunch of yobs shouting and swearing. If its a quiet little get tae **** or similar, I can't see it being enforced. These Chavs can all just **** off



Yes thats what it was about
Bang On Right

[Denver]

Do any of you know what a chav is? Because 90% think it's someone in trackies

[Kizzy]

I can understand it if its a bunch of yobs shouting and swearing. If its a quiet little get tae **** or similar, I can't see it being enforced. These Chavs can all just **** off

Is this you making a funny? You agree that swearing should be curbed and 'chav' behaviour modified so you cement argument by saying they can '**** off'?
:laugh:

I listened to the 'moral maze' and thought Terry Christian was very eloquent with his condemnation, he's a very articulate speaker. The whole concept is flawed, this was highlighted by those asked to give an opinion.

[arista]

"I listened to the 'moral maze' and thought Terry Christian was very eloquent with his condemnation, he's a very articulate speaker."

Bang On Right
Kizzy

[bots]

Is this you making a funny? You agree that swearing should be curbed and 'chav' behaviour modified so you cement argument by saying they can '**** off'?
:laugh:

I listened to the 'moral maze' and thought Terry Christian was very eloquent with his condemnation, he's a very articulate speaker. The whole concept is flawed, this was highlighted by those asked to give an opinion.

Sorry, it was my attempt at humour :joker:

I should add that I have an objection to gangs of aggressive and abusive youths that do shout and swear. I don't think the problem should be addressed by banning swearing however, its the aggressive behaviour that should be penalised

[user104658]

Chav... What a ridiculous nonsensical word. Demonising youth culture yey! :/

I feel you've misunderstood the word, Kizzy. It has absolutely nothing to do with youth.

[DemolitionRed]

What exactly is a chav ?

[Kizzy]

I feel you've misunderstood the word, Kizzy. It has absolutely nothing to do with youth.

fgs don't you start with the I don't understand rubbish...please.

[Kizzy]

What exactly is a chav ?


an ​insulting word for someone, usually a ​young ​person, whose way of ​dressing, ​speaking, and ​behaving is ​thought to show ​their ​lack of ​education and ​low ​social ​class

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/chav

[user104658]

an ​insulting word for someone, usually a ​young ​person, whose way of ​dressing, ​speaking, and ​behaving is ​thought to show ​their ​lack of ​education and ​low ​social ​class

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/chav

In this case "young" meaning under around 40... not "youth". You could use a picture of my next door neighbours as the definition of "chavs", and they're in their 30's :shrug:

[Kizzy]

In this case "young" meaning under around 40... not "youth". You could use a picture of my next door neighbours as the definition of "chavs", and they're in their 30's :shrug:

Are you saying I'm old?.... Tread careful :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

It's not just Chavs that swear though?:laugh:

And besides freedom of speech anyone? We can't only have freedom of speech when it's only our views being aired.

[Ammi]

..this is a proposed swearing ban, right..?...I'm not sure how that could ever be enforced but the article is dated 1 April...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/03/03/salford-quays-swearing-ban_n_9374004.html


..I can't see any mention of 'chav' in there, it's just a general proposed ban ..(or is it..)...

[arista]

..this is a proposed swearing ban, right..?...I'm not sure how that could ever be enforced but the article is dated 1 April...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/03/03/salford-quays-swearing-ban_n_9374004.html


..I can't see any mention of 'chav' in there, it's just a general proposed ban ..(or is it..)...


To be Fair I added Chav
so say its a Yob.


Are you able to checkout out Terry
speaking at the start of the recording
1st post?

[Beso]

Older Folks find these Chavs
a danger to them

Thats the whole point
for these Fines

can we fine young muslims and africans who congregate in groups?

[kirklancaster]

Let's just substitute the word 'chav' with the phrase 'anti-social behaviour', and the location 'Salford' for ALL the UK's towns and cities, and we are left with an irrefutable truth; that yobs are a growing problem in society, and it is a problem which needs addressing.

T.S. sums it up perfectly by using his 30-something neighbours as an example, and I have often noted how often it is that men in their 40's from all parts of the country, have been convicted of being 'football' thugs, so 'anti social behaviour' is not EXCLUSIVELY a problem caused by 'yoofs', though heavily DRUNKEN young people - male AND female - ARE without doubt, the biggest culprits.

How much of a problem 'anti social' behaviour is, depends upon one's own standards.

I am no paragon of virtue, and I can swear like the proverbial 'trooper', but do I want to take my wife and female friends into the town centre on a weekend night for a social drink, when drunken yobs are screaming and cursing and vomiting on pavements, with some males openly pissing in closed shop doorways, others exposing their arses and 'mooning' at their mates, and women lobbing out their breasts upon request?

Do I want to have to 'negotiate' my way through a crowd of ignorant bastards who are swigging from beer bottles outside the pubs and will NOT move when asked politely despite blocking off the pavements?

No I do not, and neither do my kids.

This is NOT a 'Salford' problem - it is nationwide, and it .
DOES need addressing

[Beso]

To be Fair I added Chav
so say its a Yob.


Are you able to checkout out Terry
speaking at the start of the recording
1st post?

oh ffs!!

[Ammi]

To be Fair I added Chav
so say its a Yob.


Are you able to checkout out Terry
speaking at the start of the recording
1st post?

..I don't see how any kind of swearing ban would specifically relate to either 'chav or yob' though...it would apply to most people, I would think...yeah, I'll check it out now, Arista...

[kirklancaster]

can we fine young muslims and africans who congregate in groups?

NOT A CHANCE.

Where such groups are concerned, the average P.C. - Police Constable - has his hands tied by P.C. - Political Correctness.

[Ammi]

...sorry I have time atm to listen to the whole programme Arista but I don't think that I agree that people have a 'moral right to have public space protected' in all of the ways that are being suggested/the swearing...if they want to try to promote more positive behaviour though then it would seem that a more positive approach would be the thing, rather than silly unenforceable 'bannings'....

[arista]

...sorry I have time atm to listen to the whole programme Arista but I don't think that I agree that people have a 'moral right to have public space protected' in all of the ways that are being suggested/the swearing...if they want to try to promote more positive behaviour though then it would seem that a more positive approach would be the thing, rather than silly unenforceable 'bannings'....


Once you can have 45mins
spare to Hear the Hear this Debate
from that Link , 1st post.
I am sure you will find Terry is with you.

And Michael Portillo does not like Dog Poo


Older Folks and Working People
want these Yobs (Chavs) sorted.
Thats why they are bringing this in

[Ammi]

...bans just sound like more fines to me and not really interested in solving a problem if there is one that needs solving...just fine is the answer..fine the homeless for not having homes, fine the unemployed for not having jobs...fine them all for having no money and being on the STREETS, GODDAMN IT ALL.../just an avoidance to address...

[user104658]

I want to take my wife and female friends into the town centre on a weekend night for a social drink

:omgno: You better stay up, plaaaayah.

[Kizzy]

:omgno: You better stay up, plaaaayah.

Don't hate the player, hate the game :nono:

[Cherie]

Let's just substitute the word 'chav' with the phrase 'anti-social behaviour', and the location 'Salford' for ALL the UK's towns and cities, and we are left with an irrefutable truth; that yobs are a growing problem in society, and it is a problem which needs addressing.

T.S. sums it up perfectly by using his 30-something neighbours as an example, and I have often noted how often it is that men in their 40's from all parts of the country, have been convicted of being 'football' thugs, so 'anti social behaviour' is not EXCLUSIVELY a problem caused by 'yoofs', though heavily DRUNKEN young people - male AND female - ARE without doubt, the biggest culprits.

How much of a problem 'anti social' behaviour is, depends upon one's own standards.

I am no paragon of virtue, and I can swear like the proverbial 'trooper', but do I want to take my wife and female friends into the town centre on a weekend night for a social drink, when drunken yobs are screaming and cursing and vomiting on pavements, with some males openly pissing in closed shop doorways, others exposing their arses and 'mooning' at their mates, and women lobbing out their breasts upon request?

Do I want to have to 'negotiate' my way through a crowd of ignorant bastards who are swigging from beer bottles outside the pubs and will NOT move when asked politely despite blocking off the pavements?

No I do not, and neither do my kids.

This is NOT a 'Salford' problem - it is nationwide, and it .
DOES need addressing



Is this a Northern thing :suspect: .We regularly go into London and out locally but have never seen any of that :laugh:

[arista]

Is this a Northern thing :suspect: .We regularly go into London and out locally but have never seen any of that :laugh:



Yes


Feel The Force

[Cherie]

Yes


Feel The Force

We are so much more civilised down south :smug:

[Kizzy]

We are so much more civilised down south :smug:

Don't you have that family of inbreds down there, what are they called again?...Ah yes, the Winsors :idc:

[DemolitionRed]

an ​insulting word for someone, usually a ​young ​person, whose way of ​dressing, ​speaking, and ​behaving is ​thought to show ​their ​lack of ​education and ​low ​social ​class

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/chav

Its stereotyping and its a word that makes me cringe.

There have always been yobs on the street at night, at least during my lifetime. When I went out as a teen, there were always drunken girl gangs wanting to pick a fight with someone or someone spewing into a gutter or being kicked out of night clubs and there were always loud mouth drunks looking for trouble.

[Cherie]

Don't you have that family of inbreds down there, what are they called again?...Ah yes, the Winsors :idc:

I think they spend most of their time in Balmoral :laugh:

[Kizzy]

I think they spend most of their time in Balmoral :laugh:

What about that asylum parliament? plenty of chinless wonders in there too :laugh:

[arista]

We are so much more civilised down south :smug:


You Are Most Wise

[Beso]

What exactly is a chav ?

All of us at certain moments.

[JoshBB]

We are so much more civilised down south :smug:

From my area (which is south of london) you would not think that at all :laugh: but then again, it is Essex, soo..

[Jack_]

Well this thread is a disturbing read really isn't it, y'all need a copy of Owen Jones' 'Chavs' in your life

Here's a good starting point:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/interactive/2011/sep/01/extract-chavs-owen-jones

[JoshBB]

Well this thread is a disturbing read really isn't it, y'all need a copy of Owen Jones' 'Chavs' in your life

Here's a good starting point:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/interactive/2011/sep/01/extract-chavs-owen-jones

I actually own that book, just need to get a chance to read it.

[Jack_]

I actually own that book, just need to get a chance to read it.

It's an enlightening read and I've never used the term 'chav' in a derogatory context again because everything he spelt out is true

[DemolitionRed]

It's an enlightening read and I've never used the term 'chav' in a derogatory context again because everything he spelt out is true

The British working class have become an object of fear and ridicule. From Little Britain's Vicky Pollard to the demonization of Jade Goody, media and politicians alike dismiss as feckless, criminalized and ignorant a vast, underprivileged swathe of society that has become stereotyped by one hate-filled word: chavs. Owen Jones explores how the working class has gone from 'salt of the earth' to 'scum of the earth'. Moving through Westminster's lobbies and working-class communities from Dagenham to Dewsbury Moor, Jones lays bare the ignorance and prejudice at the heart of the chav caricature, and reveals a far more complex reality: the increasing poverty and desperation of people left abandoned by the aspirational, society-fragmenting policies of both the Tories and New Labour.
Cavs is an illuminating, disturbing portrait of inequality and class hatred in modern Britain.


I've recommended this brilliant book to many a friend.

[Northern Monkey]

The thing about chavs though is that in reality they are not all from benefit families or working class families.Yes there are more of them on council estates but they're not solely from those areas.You do get the kids from more well off surrounding areas dressing and talking like chavs too.Back in my day "chavs" did'nt exist as a descriptor for thugs but "charva" and "chavvy" was used alot.I think it was when the southerners heard that word that they changed it to "chav".When i first heard it i thought it sounded ridiculous.
I think chavs as they are known today are actually classless.There are many a middle class chav.

[Kizzy]

In current usage here in Kent - primarily by teenagers as a term of abuse - as in "he's a right Chav." Describes someone who wears Reebok or Adidas trainers, gold jewellery and is likely to be a shop lifter. Girl Chavs wear big gold hoop earrings and like pop music (as opposed to rock, metal, grunge etc.) , Would be very interested to hear any feed back on this as this one word has made me feel like a very out of touch parent!! My daughter was bought an Adidas bag which she refused to use for fear of being called a "Chav". She then gave me the above description, and other teenagers I've asked have given the same with little variation.
However, my husband (Kent born and bred) says when he was young the term 'Chav' was used as an affectionate term for a younger boy - certainly not as an insult as it is used now. It would appear that even those teenagers who dress as described are deeply offended by the word.

http://www.odps.org/glossword/index.php?a=term&d=4&t=2671

[arista]

The thing about chavs though is that in reality they are not all from benefit families or working class families.Yes there are more of them on council estates but they're not solely from those areas.You do get the kids from more well off surrounding areas dressing and talking like chavs too.Back in my day "chavs" did'nt exist as a descriptor for thugs but "charva" and "chavvy" was used alot.I think it was when the southerners heard that word that they changed it to "chav".When i first heard it i thought it sounded ridiculous.
I think chavs as they are known today are actually classless.There are many a middle class chav.


yes that Essex bunch

[arista]

It's an enlightening read and I've never used the term 'chav' in a derogatory context again because everything he spelt out is true


Yes it is Jack

We need our Streets Cleaned UP

[JoshBB]

Yes it is Jack

We need our Streets Cleaned UP

I hope you're referring to the anti-littering campaigns :worry:

[Cherie]

Well this thread is a disturbing read really isn't it, y'all need a copy of Owen Jones' 'Chavs' in your life

Here's a good starting point:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/interactive/2011/sep/01/extract-chavs-owen-jones

Well you best be back here when BB airs as the crowd are regularly called chavs, you can produce this link then

[RichardG]

We need our Streets Cleaned UP

:clap1: