Blair says 'many muslims are incompatible with the modern world'.

[kirklancaster]

Many millions of Muslims 'fundamentally incompatible with the modern world', says Tony Blair.

His remarks come six months after admitting his partial 'responsibility' for the rise of Isis

Tony Blair has said that "many millions" of Muslims hold a viewpoint that is "fundamentally incompatible with the modern world."

Rejecting arguments that Isis is simply "tens of thousands of brainwashed crazies," he continued: "[Isis] does not seek dialogue but dominance. It cannot therefore be contained. It has to be defeated."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/many-millions-of-muslims-fundamentally-incompatible-with-the-west-says-tony-blair-a6954796.html

[Kizzy]

And all of a sudden Blair flips from warmonger to guru :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well Tony what made you think that a medieval middle eastern fantasy cult is incompatible with the modern world?

:think:

[joeysteele]

Even if he makes a reasoned and good point now does he really expect anyone to take that much notice of him any more.

I really would love to see into his whole mind to see if he regrets ever aligning himself so close to the Bush Presidency and Iraq.

From such an amazing rise to power he allowed himself to be duped into sacrificing all the support he had got in 2 elections,near massive support too.
To not do all he could and should have with that support but to then go down the road of trying to get personal war leader glorification, by taking the UK into unnecessary conflict and territory best left alone.

[arista]

Fecking Blair
his New Labour Plan
fecked the UK
UP
not caring about Housing for immigrants He WANTED
for his votes

[joeysteele]

Fecking Blair
his New Labour Plan
fecked the UK
UP
not caring about Housing for immigrants He WANTED
for his votes

:joker: I was looking forward to your response to this arista, I wasn't disappointed.

[bots]

Lets not forget Blair's religious leanings either, he maintains that he is a devout christian. So he is basically perpetuating the myth that 1 religion is better than another, when history shows that all sorts of crimes against humanity have been done in the name of religion

[Kizzy]

Lets not forget Blair's religious leanings either, he maintains that he is a devout christian. So he is basically perpetuating the myth that 1 religion is better than another, when history shows that all sorts of crimes against humanity have been done in the name of religion

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[waterhog]

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

I loved and adored labor and they were doing brilliant. - then he done all the controversial things on immigration and that is what put me off labor.

I think this is a bit rich coming from him to say this.

[Johnnyuk123]

Only idiots would vote the labour party back in. But thanks to their open immigration policy it's not gonna happen for at least the next 20 yrs thankfully. :)

[hijaxers]

Only idiots would vote the labour party back in. But thanks to their open immigration policy it's not gonna happen for at least the next 20 yrs thankfully. :)

Really ! yer havin a laugh Torie's for the next 20 years - jeez what a suicide rate we'll have - mostly men

[Johnnyuk123]

Really ! yer havin a laugh Torie's for the next 20 years - jeez what a suicide rate we'll have - mostly men

Yes for the next 20 yrs. Look at what labour have to offer... The dad from steptoe n son.:joker:

[Tom4784]

Such a dumb thing to say.

Muslims are no different to followers of any other religion and it's stupid and dangerous to think otherwise. Comments like this will only demonise them further.

There are many Muslims that take a relaxed or unorthodox approach to Islam, just like there is with every religion going. Not every religious follower is a fundamentalist that follows their scriptures to the T.

[Cherie]

Such a dumb thing to say.

Muslims are no different to followers of any other religion and it's stupid and dangerous to think otherwise. Comments like this will only demonise them further.

There are many Muslims that take a relaxed or unorthodox approach to Islam, just like there is with every religion going. Not every religious follower is a fundamentalist that follows their scriptures to the T.

Oh I agree how annoying :oh:

[MTVN]

Blair has made the Middle East his life since stepping down so is worth listening to, I think he understands the region much more now than he did during Iraq and his view has become more nuanced

[Johnnyuk123]

Such a dumb thing to say.

Muslims are no different to followers of any other religion and it's stupid and dangerous to think otherwise. Comments like this will only demonise them further.

There are many Muslims that take a relaxed or unorthodox approach to Islam, just like there is with every religion going. Not every religious follower is a fundamentalist that follows their scriptures to the T.

If you read their book through you soon realise that what blair said is actually true.

[Tom4784]

If you read their book through you soon realise that what blair said is actually true.

Ever read the Bible? or any other religious scripture?

I'll give you a TLDR, they're all the same. Hating one religion for things that all religions are guilty of is hypocritical.

[Johnnyuk123]

Ever read the Bible? or any other religious scripture?

I'll give you a TLDR, they're all the same. Hating one religion for things that all religions are guilty of is hypocritical.

And hating just for hatings sake is very sad.

[kirklancaster]

Here we go again.... Yawn..... Whenever someone speaks the truth about Islam, out comes the.... Yawn.... Bible comparisons like the proverbial 'white rabbit from the hat' as a deflection.

It is not the ancient text in an ancient book which is the problem that Blair is addressing - it is the medieval mentality of barbaric primitives who STILL believe in the literal meaning of that ancient text centuries after it was written.

ANY religious person who still interprets EVERY word in their 'Holy Book' literally, is an idiotic extremist who needs locking away - and that includes extremist Jews, Christians, Muslims or any other 'Faith'.

The trouble is; that the number of such extremists in Islam FAR outnumbers all the other religions put together.

[Tom4784]

And hating just for hatings sake is very sad.

A very apt description of most of your input in the SD section.

[Johnnyuk123]

Same old shyte from the usual haters but a different day Kirk.:joker:

[Johnnyuk123]

A very apt description of most of your input in the SD section.

And your input has been????

[kirklancaster]

Blair has made the Middle East his life since stepping down so is worth listening to, I think he understands the region much more now than he did during Iraq and his view has become more nuanced

:clap1::clap1::clap1: More wisdom from THE member who I regard as THE most intellectual on here.

[Johnnyuk123]

Trying to wind folk up or trying to belittle or take the piss out of people just for the hell of it in every thread and being a mod too must go directly against the rules in here?

[Tom4784]

Here we go again.... Yawn..... Whenever someone speaks the truth about Islam, out comes the.... Yawn.... Bible comparisons like the proverbial 'white rabbit from the hat' as a deflection.

It is not the ancient text in an ancient book which is the problem that Blair is addressing - it is the medieval mentality of barbaric primitives who STILL believe in the literal meaning of that ancient text centuries after it was written.

ANY religious person who still interprets EVERY word in their 'Holy Book' literally, is an idiotic extremist who needs locking away - and that includes extremist Jews, Christians, Muslims or any other 'Faith'.

The trouble is; that the number of such extremists in Islam FAR outnumbers all the other religions put together.

All religion is the same, Kirk. Either accept it or live in denial, makes no difference to me. You can't accuse one religion of something that all religions are guilty of. You can't make out that Islam is any worse than any other religion for fundamentalism and paint millions of people with the same brush just because you've bought into the sensationalist demonising that Muslims have faced since 2001.

The problem with the Middle East is nothing to do with Islam, it's the fact that these terrorist groups and Militias use religion as a method of control.

Most Muslims in the west are Moderates just like most other religious people. There's a lot of Moderates in Middle Eastern countries that aren't controlled by warlords and terrorists too. To say that fundamentalism is an issue when it's being forced on a country is silly. Remove the Terrorists and the Dictators that benefit from enforcing extreme orthodox Islamic practices and the Middle East wouldn't be much different to the West.

[Mystic Mock]

Isn't him and his party the main reason why this country has had to put up with the racist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic, and intolerant towards Religions organization?

[kirklancaster]

All religion is the same, Kirk. Either accept it or live in denial, makes no difference to me. You can't accuse one religion of something that all religions are guilty of. You can't make out that Islam is any worse than any other religion for fundamentalism and paint millions of people with the same brush just because you've bought into the sensationalist demonising that Muslims have faced since 2001.

The problem with the Middle East is nothing to do with Islam, it's the fact that these terrorist groups and Militias use religion as a method of control.

Most Muslims in the west are Moderates just like most other religious people. There's a lot of Moderates in Middle Eastern countries that aren't controlled by warlords and terrorists too. To say that fundamentalism is an issue when it's being forced on a country is silly. Remove the Terrorists and the Dictators that benefit from enforcing extreme orthodox Islamic practices and the Middle East wouldn't be much different to the West.

I agree with your points Dezzy - and a great post - but I DID stipulate extremists.

[Mystic Mock]

Who doesn't hate extremists?

[joeysteele]

Blair has made the Middle East his life since stepping down so is worth listening to, I think he understands the region much more now than he did during Iraq and his view has become more nuanced

I agree with all you have said.
Which is why I said I'd like to get into his head and see what he now really feels and thinks of his Middle east actions in the past.

This is a man who led his party to 3 consecutive election wins with overall majorities parties now can only dream of.

Like Margaret Thatcher his opinion should be listened to and much he says taken on board.
Yet because of his time in power, he largely seems to at any rate, get ignored and ridiculed as to his views.