Cultural appropriation

[Kizzy]

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'A video showing a black student accosting a white student over his dreadlocks has racked up more than two million views in two days. Shot at San Francisco University, it shows an unnamed black woman blocking the path of Corey Goldstein, who sports the controversial hairstyle. Referring to his dreads, she claims: “It’s my culture”

'A video showing a black student accosting a white student over his dreadlocks has racked up more than two million views in two days. Shot at San Francisco University, it shows an unnamed black woman blocking the path of Corey Goldstein, who sports the controversial hairstyle. Referring to his dreads, she claims: “It’s my culture”

'does he have the right to style it in a way that has a deep cultural meaning to minority cultures? The ability to style your hair for fashion’s sake is a luxury, not a right. If it is offending others, Goldstein should consider giving up that luxury.'


What are your thoughts on this, is this an example of cultural appropriation?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/i-wasnt-surprised-by-the-us-dreadlocks-row-white-people-never-think-they-are-guilty-of-cultural-a6964906.html

[Cherie]

I'm more upset by his choice of words "the coloured community". Do they still use this terminology in the US :umm2:

It's a hairstyle it doesn't belong to any culture, should white people accost black people that relax their hair :think: no!

[MTVN]

Baffling. Thankfully the UK does not get itself into such a mess over this 'cultural appropriation' thing as they do in the states.

[jennyjuniper]

It seems to me that the woman is just looking for a fight, but she's picked a stupid reason for that.

[user104658]

If white people can't have dreads then black people can't use straighteners / wear straight-hair weaves or wigs. Surely. Or does it only work one way.

[smudgie]

Strewth, she would have had a heart attack if she saw everyone sporting an Afro in the 70s.
Get over yourself pet.

[Jamie89]

Wearing dreadlocks is not cultural appropriation.

'The ability to style your hair for fashion’s sake is a luxury, not a right. If it is offending others, Goldstein should consider giving up that luxury.'

Umm no, it is a right, we have the right to style our hair however we want, noone is 'allowing' us to have hairstyles!

That was honestly one of the stupidest articles I've ever read (as well as patronising to white people and black people). And when you have to start quoting Azealia Banks to try and back up your points you know you're struggling :rolleyes:


EDIT: This is his response by the way...

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[Niamh.]

Apparently Dreadlocks originated in India anyway so.........

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just a nasty aggressive woman is all I see and a guy who needs a haircut

[Mokka]

Wearing dreadlocks is not cultural appropriation.



Umm no, it is a right, we have the right to style our hair however we want, noone is 'allowing' us to have hairstyles!

That was honestly one of the stupidest articles I've ever read (as well as patronising to white people and black people). And when you have to start quoting Azealia Banks to try and back up your points you know you're struggling :rolleyes:


EDIT: This is his response by the way...

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:joker:

The perfect response to this article. Couldn't have said it any better myself

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker:

The perfect response to this article. Couldn't have said it any better myself

Yes

[RichardG]

Cultural appropriation is the dumbest thing these people need to log off tumblr and try living in the real world

[arista]

Yes it was on USA News
its Fake
set up . she is smiling
and is reading a script.

Great ending set up.
trust Kizzy to get tricked

[arista]

Strewth, she would have had a heart attack if she saw everyone sporting an Afro in the 70s.
Get over yourself pet.


she has done acting classes
tricked you

[arista]

"What are your thoughts on this, is this an example of cultural appropriation?"


Its FAKE

[Niamh.]

Yes it was on USA News
its Fake
set up . she is smiling
and is reading a script.

Great ending set up.
trust Kizzy to get tricked

:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Arista has done her again


:hehe:

[Kizzy]

Yes it was on USA News
its Fake
set up . she is smiling
and is reading a script.

Great ending set up.
trust Kizzy to get tricked

Proof? Trust you not to have proof :idc:

[Jamie89]

"What are your thoughts on this, is this an example of cultural appropriation?"


Its FAKE
Even if it is fake though there are still people saying off the back of it that white people wearing dreadlocks is cultural appropriation so it's still a valid debate

[Crimson Dynamo]

Does that Justin Bieber now have them?

[Kizzy]

Even if it is fake though there are still people saying off the back of it that white people wearing dreadlocks is cultural appropriation so it's still a valid debate

Yes it is thank you Jamie, Not that there is anything to suggest it is fake :hehe:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I'm more upset by his choice of words "the coloured community". Do they still use this terminology in the US :umm2:

It's a hairstyle it doesn't belong to any culture, should white people accost black people that relax their hair :think: no!

Except black people don't relax their hair to copy white people is to manage their hair. And white people use flat irons to straighten to hair so no relaxing is not to copy whites. And whites are not the only ones with straight hair. In fact when black women buy extensions they don't buy ''causcasian'' extensions it's more peruvian, brazilian, etc..

[arista]

Proof? Trust you not to have proof :idc:


I did not recorded it.



Trust you to follow a Smiling Black Girl
(who is a Actress)
with a script.
Love the Fixed Up Ending
no smile, perfect cut

To be fair to you Kizzy
the UK Paper that got hooked ,
has no updates.


LBC radio had Ian Dale
who warned it maybe a set up

[arista]

Even if it is fake though there are still people saying off the back of it that white people wearing dreadlocks is cultural appropriation so it's still a valid debate



Yes its a Debate
but for me not with a Set Up
Video , tricking loads

[Niamh.]

Except black people don't relax their hair to copy white people is to manage their hair. And white people use flat irons to straighten to hair so no relaxing is not to copy whites. And whites are not the only ones with straight hair. In fact when black women buy extensions they don't buy ''causcasian'' extensions it's more peruvian, brazilian, etc..

Black people aren't the only ones to have worn Dreadlocks though, Celts had them as did Vikings and apparently they originated in India. Getting annoyed with another race wearing a hairstyle you deem to be part of your culture is just pure stupidity imo. If white people claimed that black people weren't allowed wear their hair a certain way there would be up roar.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Black people aren't the only ones to have worn Dreadlocks though, Celts had them as did Vikings and apparently they originated in India. Getting annoyed with another race wearing a hairstyle you deem to be part of your culture is just pure stupidity imo. If white people claimed that black people weren't allowed wear their hair a certain way there would be up roar.
They originated from Egypt. Celtics probably stole it at the time who knows.


Regarding the rest of your comment I explained in another comment why it's extremely annoying.

[Jordan.]

The whole concept is dumb, no human owns the rights to a certain look or hairstyle and even if they did another person appreciating it and wearing it themselves should be seen as a compliment. People just want to be outraged over everything these days.

[Niamh.]

They originated from Egypt. Celtics probably stole it at the time who knows.


Regarding the rest of your comment I explained in another comment why it's extremely annoying.

Oh get over yourself would you, I seriously doubt that Celts stole a hairstyle from Egyptians, it is possible that they both just had the same idea. Or do you reckon the Celts were trying to mock the Egyptians for some reason? :umm2:

[Jordan.]

Except black people don't relax their hair to copy white people is to manage their hair. And white people use flat irons to straighten to hair so no relaxing is not to copy whites. And whites are not the only ones with straight hair. In fact when black women buy extensions they don't buy ''causcasian'' extensions it's more peruvian, brazilian, etc..

What about when it's bleach blonde? Does blonde hair not originate with white people? They should be up in arms about it!

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Posting black issues on a board full of white people is just a waste of time because they'll just ridicule it off the bat instead of trying to understand where the animosity is coming from.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

If white people can't have dreads then black people can't use straighteners / wear straight-hair weaves or wigs. Surely. Or does it only work one way.

The difference is when you guys copy you then take credit for it. Ie, Jazz, rock n roll, the press saying Kim K invented box braids, Eminem the best rapper ever, how many white girls on tv doing the reggae/pop and getting number 1 all over the place, apparently Kylie Jenner made locks chic again which set off a brand new wave of annoyance in blacks, and kylie plumping her lips and people loving vs mac posting a black girl with full natural and getting racist hate. If y'all weren't so annoying we would embrace the copycat **** more.

Show me a black person they embrace and elevate in the metal community. Nah instead black gets, n8ggers don't belong in metal.

Nobody in surprised white people are mocking the meaning of ''cultural appropriation'' because that's what they do best demean anything black people find important.

[GiRTh]

Stupid story, stupid woman. On a side note, she puts her hands on the lad; she needs to cut that the f88k out. I think she was a bit lucky the guy wasnt more aggresiuve with her.

[Niamh.]

Posting black issues on a board full of white people is just a waste because they'l just ridicule it off the bad instead of trying to understand where the animosity is coming from.

The problem is that almost every post you make on this board is complaining about white people, white women mainly tbh, I do try to listen to where you're coming from and to understand but as a white woman myself it gets wearing listening to you insult me almost everytime you post tbqh. I do actually agree with you on alot of things you say but this is just stupid imo. I've never actually saw you say ever that "you know what that isn't racist" it's like you're always waiting for something you can call racist

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

What about when it's bleach blonde? Does blonde hair not originate with white people? They should be up in arms about it!

Aren't some of y'all the ones that accused the black girl from Big brother of trying to be white?


And blue contacts is not trying to copy white people either as black people can have blue eyes too-
http://i.imgur.com/Lvh7wN8.jpg

She posts pics of her as child too so they're real.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

The problem is that almost every post you make on this board is complaining about white people, white women mainly tbh, I do try to listen to where you're coming from and to understand but as a white woman myself it gets wearing listening to you insult me almost everytime you post tbqh. I do actually agree with you on alot of things you say but this is just stupid imo. I've never actually saw you say ever that "you know what that isn't racist" it's like you're always waiting for something you can call racist

It's because that's what black people are going threw on a daily basis and yeah it is tiring. I suppose we see it more because we see everything on the internet now.

I did actually say somethings aren't racist or offensive like when the pub man wore his English flag.

Nevermind. For years black people went through sh8t now that they're speaking back finally people can't handle it. We all have to be good little nigg8ers and take a back seat. :bawling:

[RichardG]

the kpop community is riddled with this cultural appropriation outrage and other looney nonsense and it's so embarrassing, there's genuine inequality and oppression in the world and people want to get super angry at seungri for wearing a native american headdress it's really not a big deal

http://38.media.tumblr.com/cfa006ad02820720b5d75dc76bfb3a7f/tumblr_inline_nparxgzlDg1tt6ehz_500.gif

[Jamie89]

Posting black issues on a board full of white people is just a waste of time because they'll just ridicule it off the bat instead of trying to understand where the animosity is coming from.
This isn't a black issue though, it's just a hairstyle - and one that isn't even synonymous only with black people.

[Niamh.]

It's because that's what black people are going threw on a daily basis and yeah it is tiring. I suppose we see it more because we see everything on the internet now.

I did actually say somethings aren't racist or offensive like when the pub man wore his English flag.

I do understand that but I think you have to also understand that people are instantly going to go into defensive mode if you come across as attacking them, it's human nature

[Cherie]

It's because that's what black people are going threw on a daily basis and yeah it is tiring. I suppose we see it more because we see everything on the internet now.

I did actually say somethings aren't racist or offensive like when the pub man wore his English flag.

Nevermind. For years black people went through sh8t now that they're speaking back finally people can't handle it. We all have to be good little nigg8ers and take a back seat. :bawling:


Oh please, fight your battles by all means, but complaining about stuff like this demeans black people and makes them look bitter.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

This isn't a black issue though, it's just a hairstyle - and one that isn't even synonymous only with black people.

When one doesn't get it one doesn't innit. :shrug:

Telling to a black person-but this isn't a black issue though...standard reaction:shrug: What color am I wearing today? I say red but maybe you'll tell me no, it's blue? :shrug:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Oh please, fight your battles by all means, but complaining about stuff like this demeans black people and makes them look bitter.

It's ok I don't expect y'all to get it :hug:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Oh get over yourself would you, I seriously doubt that Celts stole a hairstyle from Egyptians, it is possible that they both just had the same idea. Or do you reckon the Celts were trying to mock the Egyptians for some reason? :umm2:

I'm not so sure as white people stole a lot of things back in the day and claimed it as their own.

[Niamh.]

I'm not so sure as white people stole a lot of things back in the day and claimed it as their own.

England shipped tens of thousands of Irish prisoners after the 1798 Irish Rebellion to be sold as slaves in the Colonies and Australia. There were horrendous abuses by the slavers, both to Africans and Irish.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=1638

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

England shipped tens of thousands of Irish prisoners after the 1798 Irish Rebellion to be sold as slaves in the Colonies and Australia. There were horrendous abuses by the slavers, both to Africans and Irish.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=1638

:blush: Yes ma'am you're right. Our issues aren't valid. :hee:

[Niamh.]

:blush: Yes ma'am you're right. Our issues aren't valid. :hee:

I didn't say your issues aren't valid but carry on passive aggressively putting words into my mouth why don't you, that's really going to help the lines of communication

[user104658]

England shipped tens of thousands of Irish prisoners after the 1798 Irish Rebellion to be sold as slaves in the Colonies and Australia. There were horrendous abuses by the slavers, both to Africans and Irish.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=1638
You're not allowed to say that though Niamh because everything is Americanised, and in American history, black people and Native Americans suffered at the hands of white people.

The treatment of Celtic people in both Ireland and Scotland, for hundreds of years, was absolutely abysmal. Do we kick off when we see an English man in a kilt? No.

That's just one example of one population being abused by another across Europe, throughout history... But apparently, that's all irrelevant.

I personally say keep it simple. If one person wants to embrace another culture in a positive and appreciative way - whether it's "theirs" or not - then where is the bad? Save your battles for situations where there is actual prejudice and hatred.

[arista]

Stupid story, stupid woman. On a side note, she puts her hands on the lad; she needs to cut that the f88k out. I think she was a bit lucky the guy wasnt more aggressive with her.


Its fake
So Clever Acting
tricked half the World

[GiRTh]

Its fake
So Clever Acting
tricked half the WorldIs it? Do you have a link as I cant find one?

[arista]

Is it? Do you have a link as I cant find one?


No link
it was Live USA News via online

They did well
to keep it going
no link means its a World Debate.

Love the Ending
stop smile
stop phone.

Acting it all out.


The Black Lady is doing acting

[GiRTh]

No link
it was Live USA News via online

They did well
to keep it going
no link means its a World Debate.

Love the Ending
stop smile
stop phone.

Acting it all out.


The Black Lady is doing actingOk then its served its purpose and got everyone talking.

[user104658]

. Nah instead black gets, n8ggers don't belong in metal.

https://hardrockhideout.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/sevendust.jpg

One of my favourite bands, as it happens..

Now, does he get unwarranted crap from narrow-minded rednecks because he's a black man in a metal band? Yes, he does, I've read interviews with him talking about it. The point is that he SHOULDN'T. Not that it should be tit for tat! He should be free to make and enjoy the kind of music he loves,regardless of its "origins". Everyone should. Black metal front men and white rappers.

[Niamh.]

You're not allowed to say that though Niamh because everything is Americanised, and in American history, black people and Native Americans suffered at the hands of white people.

The treatment of Celtic people in both Ireland and Scotland, for hundreds of years, was absolutely abysmal. Do we kick off when we see an English man in a kilt? No.

That's just one example of one population being abused by another across Europe, throughout history... But apparently, that's all irrelevant.

I personally say keep it simple. If one person wants to embrace another culture in a positive and appreciative way - whether it's "theirs" or not - then where is the bad? Save your battles for situations where there is actual prejudice and hatred.

mmhhmm History is much more complex than that. And yes I agree with the BIB

[Tom4784]

I've got mixed feelings on it, I don't really think the example in the OP is cultural appropriation but it does exist. I think it gets misrepresented a lot so it's passed off as a joke.

[Marsh.]

I really cannot ****ing stand all of this "we" and "you" as though everyone comes from the same perspective due to the colour of their skin or country they were born etc.

Life doesn't work like that.

[Niamh.]

Actually reading up on Cultural Appropriation, Ireland (a white nation) could slot into this example as easily so I don't get why us white people are always lumped in as one singular unit of people, our language is on the brink of extinction too thanks to British invasion :

When the last living survivors of massacred Indigenous tribes are fighting to save their language before it dies when they do, and Native students are suspended for speaking in their own Indigenous languages, mirroring the abusive US boarding schools that tried to wipe out Native American cultures up until the 1980s, it’s clear that not every person who speaks English does so by choice.****
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/06/cultural-appropriation-wrong/

BIB - Even white people tyvm

[Ammi]

..this isn't necessarily a 'fake story', the video was taken in San Francisco University and it's been questioned whether the female is a university employee, rather than a student but that isn't something that has been confirmed so far as I can see...maybe it's something that some students have taken part I to provoke discussion on the subject..?...


..this article is basically saying what CeeCee has also said, in that 'Cultural appropriation is a problem not just because White people do a Black hairstyle, but because when they do it, it is considered new or trendy. It erases Black people as if they don’t matter.
Black people have always spoken against it. If White people want to borrow some peculiarities from Black culture, they should be willing to embrace everything else.'

http://zikoko.com/gist/cultural-appropriation-white-guy-locks/



..what CeeCee is saying I think is that it's extremely annoying to some people that 'black is embraced' in some things but in others, 'black is stereotyped negatively'...and when it is embraced, it's only annoying because it isn't complimented so much or seen so much as a 'fashionable' thing etc unless it's on 'white'...(I think that's what you're saying CeeCee..)..and I do understand, especially as there is still sadly so much negative stereotyping...

..on another site/article..this was one of the comments at the bottom that very much shows the level of racism that is still aimed at black people by some...so I can understand CeeCee's irritation when it feels that some 'pretty/fashionable' culture things are embraced...


It's too bad the guy didn't kill that black bitch,and black bitches should stop looking like white women with long hair oh I forgot,they're jealous of white women's hair what they need to be doing is getting control of their asshole sons and raise them to help people not kill or rob them,one day your thug ass son just might run into the wrong person and he will be taken care of

[Marsh.]

But where in this story, or even in Justin Bieber getting dreadlocks, does it suggest either had a hand in creating it or calling it brand new?

Celebrities bring all kinds of age old fashion statements to the fore again and again and make it a "trend" for a while. That's just pop culture for you. It's got nothing to do with origin.

In situations like this, it's not a simple "Black people" and "white people". Justin Bieber has dreadlocks, not the entire "white community" so I don't see how it conjures up whining about stereotyping. He is one person.

[Kizzy]

Let's say it is being appropriated, why is this always a negative? If you are aware of the history and such can you not celebrate black culture this way?
I can see why it's frustrating at the portrayal that celebrities like kim k 'invented a look, but many with half a braincell know that's not true.

[arista]

"maybe it's something that some students have taken part I to provoke discussion on the subject..?..."

Yes thats how it looks Wise Ammi
That lady has done acting classes
so she is loving this.

[Scarlett.]

I've got mixed feelings on it, I don't really think the example in the OP is cultural appropriation but it does exist. I think it gets misrepresented a lot so it's passed off as a joke.

It's one of Tumblr's buzzwords, they over use phrases so much that they lose all meaning and become written off as a joke. There's nothing wrong with countries copying small things from each other, we've been doing it for millennia, I mean even the discussion in this thread about the history of dreadlocks proves it, it goes back through multiple nations.

[Kizzy]

"maybe it's something that some students have taken part I to provoke discussion on the subject..?..."

Yes thats how it looks Wise Ammi
That lady has done acting classes
so she is loving this.

You have no proof that she was acting do you so why derail the thread with the constant reference?

[user104658]

Let's say it is being appropriated, why is this always a negative? If you are aware of the history and such can you not celebrate black culture this way?
I can see why it's frustrating at the portrayal that celebrities like kim k 'invented a look, but many with half a braincell know that's not true.
It really isn't a negativite at all... Culture expands and spreads. It's practically part of the definition OF culture. I don't understand this desire to set or define limits on who can embrace certain aspects of certain cultures and who can't... It's ridiculous.

My wife is English born and bred, with some Irish ancestry on her mums side. She is adamant that she never felt "at home" until moving to Scotland. Scottish culture isn't a part of her natural heritage, at all, so... Should I go home tonight and tell her off for cultural appropriation? Or should I just be happy for her to have found something that she identifies with and feels at home with?

[smudgie]

she has done acting classes
tricked you

:joker: I went by the written word...didn't watch the video.
Pleased it was a joke though. The world is mad enough.

[user104658]

Also not sure about things only being seen as fashionable once white people get their claws in. Let's be honest... Dreads can look awesome if done right, but on white people's hair they universally are just pretty awful.

[Niamh.]

It really isn't a negativite at all... Culture expands and spreads. It's practically part of the definition OF culture. I don't understand this desire to set or define limits on who can embrace certain aspects of certain cultures and who can't... It's ridiculous.

My wife is English born and bred, with some Irish ancestry on her mums side. She is adamant that she never felt "at home" until moving to Scotland. Scottish culture isn't a part of her natural heritage, at all, so... Should I go home tonight and tell her off for cultural appropriation? Or should I just be happy for her to have found something that she identifies with and feels at home with?

It's cos she's part Irish, us Celts have to stick together :hee:

[arista]

You have no proof that she was acting do you so why derail the thread with the constant reference?



No I do not want this Debate to Stop.
But give them credit in California
for a Fake story at that session.

It could happen
that a Black Person would get angry at
a white person Hair.


So Kizzy this Debate Stands
no derail on debating this


10 Outta 10 on acting, though

[arista]

It's cos she's part Irish, us Celts have to stick together :hee:


Yes thats fair enough

[arista]

:joker: I went by the written word...didn't watch the video.
Pleased it was a joke though. The world is mad enough.


Yes written its Great
better way to debate it.

[Shaun]

I just can't imagine ever being so miserable as to attach racial and social significance to a bloody hairstyle

[Marsh.]

Justin Bieber invented dreadlocks, so what's the issue?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I just can't imagine ever being so miserable as to attach racial and social significance to a bloody hairstyle

It's called being black and living in a world where people say Elvis is the king or rock n roll when he copied it from a black person.

[Marsh.]

It's called being black and living in a world where people say Elvis is the king or rock n roll when he copied it from a black person.

Do you have to have invented rock n' roll to be seen as the best or most popular figure of it?

Should we attach a disclaimer to Michael Jackson's popularity that he didn't invent pop music?

[arista]

Justin Bieber invented dreadlocks, so what's the issue?


Yes he loves that
he says he looks cool

[arista]

http://cosmouk.cdnds.net/16/13/1459707256-justin-bieber-now-has-dreads.jpg

[arista]

It's called being black and living in a world where people say Elvis is the king or rock n roll when he copied it from a black person.



Yes Elvis did that.


Funky Elvis

I did not like his Death
sat on a Bog with a Burger

[Marsh.]

Yes Elvis did that.


Funky Elvis

I did not like his Death
sat on a Bog with a Burger

ffs :joker::joker::joker:

[Headie]

Screaming @ the end of the video

[Cherie]

I must be ruder

I think we all have a little leeway tbh :laugh:

[Ninastar]

I think the thing i dread the most about moving back to the states is being told I cant say/do something cause of my skin colour. Guess I deserve it tho cause I'm white

[RichardG]

not the asians too

http://data.whicdn.com/images/139664584/large.jpg

[Smithy]

http://cosmouk.cdnds.net/16/13/1459707256-justin-bieber-now-has-dreads.jpg

They look like the grinch's fingers

[Shaun]

They look like the grinch's fingers

The first post in this thread that makes sense to me :laugh:

[Samm]

Copying a hairstyle has nothing to do with racism, and in my humble opinion we should all in brace everyone's culture. It isn't really anyone's fault since both sides of the argument make it worse.

[Marsh.]

I love to in brace my fellow humans.

[arista]

4fmWLqv-bmE

32 Bit Top sound.

Key words for this great thread
"This World Was Made For All Men"


At the very ending
with the crowds shouting
in the background Stevie Wonder sings through a Early Vocorder
1975.



Feel The Force

[DemolitionRed]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Freedom of expression is surely a good thing? I mean, I love retro clothing and hairstyles but I wasn't born in the 50s

I've also hung out with a lot of hippies, especially climbers who often wear their hair in dreds. It just saves them having to carry a comb or worry about washing it.

[Kizzy]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Freedom of expression is surely a good thing? I mean, I love retro clothing and hairstyles but I wasn't born in the 50s

I've also hung out with a lot of hippies, especially climbers who often wear their hair in dreds. It just saves them having to carry a comb or worry about washing it.

This is how I see it too, it's not a slight at all nor is it ignorant to colonial attitudes then or ignoring there is still a looooong way to go now.
I say pick your battles, of all the injustices that impact on different cultures today, this seems the least injust.

[user104658]

What really confuses me is, it's the same people complaining the loudest about segregation who are complaining about integration!

Seriously. Which is it. Do you want a world where people can be happy to be who they are no matter their skin colour, without fear of discrimination... Or do you want a world where everyone must stay "in their lane" and only do "white people things" or style themselves a "black person way"?

Is it OK to say people are different because they're a different colour? Or not? A choice must be made here, it can't be both!

[Ninastar]

What really confuses me is, it's the same people complaining the loudest about segregation who are complaining about integration!

Seriously. Which is it. Do you want a world where people can be happy to be who they are no matter their skin colour, without fear of discrimination... Or do you want a world where everyone must stay "in their lane" and only do "white people things" or style themselves a "black person way"?

Is it OK to say people are different because they're a different colour? Or not? A choice must be made here, it can't be both!

This is very, very true. If you hate the way black people were treated many years ago, why try and treat white people with the same hostility?

[Vicky.]

Well..this thread is (or was) a mess. And the woman in the OP is just stupid.

/my input

[Beso]

how can not touching your hair for months be described as a style! get a bloody wash mate.

[Northern Monkey]

I'm going to be totally blunt and frank here.For starters.This is bollocks.
All i see here is a few(and i say a few because not one black person i know is into this getting offended over everything they can crap).A few people(More than likey mainly in America) walking around with a massive chip on their shoulder because they somehow feel left out because they don't face the struggle that their ancestors did and they're like 'well where's my struggle?'
So they're making up and putting out silly new terms like "cultural appropriation " to try to feel included and because people are so naive and scared that they might actually be offending an entire race they lap this **** up and become more and more oppressed by ridiculous new 'rules' made up by a small minority of people with feck all better to do.
These opinions don't reflect the views of any black person i know.They all just get on with life.Stupid crap like this gives the majority of sensible normal black people a bad name because they don't wanna be associated with this faux offence crap.The best thing that anyone can do with new fads like "cultural appropriation" is dismiss them and get on with life and style their hair,clothes,jewellery however they choose to.We are a multicultural world now and we as humans inherently take on each others culture traits.That is how we evolved as a species and still are.Treat this shet with the contempt it deserves and be free.

[Northern Monkey]

And if somebody comes up to you for real and says they're 'offended' by what you're wearing then your response should be 'Great that is your right.Just as it's my right to wear whatever i want.Now feck off out of my way and go and be offended somewhere else'

[waterhog]

errrrrrrrrrrrr haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[kirklancaster]

This THREAD is banal, but I just want to redress a few wrongs, starting with Elvis Presley - Elvis did not 'steal' anything from anyone.

Elvis Presley - like Sinatra and Bobby Darin - was a champion of 'Black Civil Rights'.

Elvis grew up dirt poor in East Tupelo Mississippi, played with dirt poor black friends, and would spend hours 'over the tracks' in 'Shake Rag', a poor Black community, listening to black musicians playing their music on the porches of their shacks.

As an unknown kid trying to cut a record in the legendary 'Sun' studios in Memphis, it was Elvis who first played the 'black' music he so loved, in the form of his version of Arthur 'Big Boy' Crudup's 'That's All Right', whilst he and guitarist Scotty Moore and bassist Bill Black were stuck for what to play.

Producer Sam Phillips heard the impromptu 'jam' session and the rest is history.

Elvis went on to record other black artists music such as 'Hound Dog' by Willie Mae 'Big Mama' Thornton, as well as record - and make famous - other 'little known' Arthur Crudup songs, and was later to be instrumental behind-the-scenes in helping Crudup receive over $60,000 (a fortune then) in royalties which the record companies had fleeced him out of.

Crudup himself payed compliment to Elvis and said; "I'm sure glad Elvis did those songs, I sure as hell wasn't going anywhere with them".

Elvis LOVED black people and from his cooks and housekeepers, Mary Jane Langston (for whom he bought 3 cars and a 3 bedroom home) and Nancy Rooks, to black musical legends like James Brown, BB King, and Sammy Davis Jnr, to the thousands of black people weeping uncontollably as his funeral cortege passed, BLACK PEOPLE LOVED ELVIS.

Sammy Davis Jr : -- "The only thing I want to know is, 'Was he my friend?', 'Did I enjoy him as a performer?', 'Did he give the world of entertainment something?' - and the answer is YES on all accounts. Early on somebody told me that Elvis was black. And I said 'No, he's white but he's down-home'. And that is what it's all about. Not being black or white it's being 'down-home' and which part of down-home you come from'. On a scale of one to ten, I would rate Elvis eleven"

James Brown -- "I wasn't just a fan, I was his brother. Elvis was a hard worker, dedicated, and God loved him ... I love him and hope to see him in heaven. There'll never be another like that soul brother. I loved the man and he was truly the king of rock and roll".

It is wrong to besmirch someone like Elvis in a thread which has descended into yet another 'racism' argument, when the man did so much for black people and was so respected and loved by the black people who actually KNEW him.

I KNOW, because the people off-Tibb who really KNOW me are astounded that I am often (wrongly) perceived as 'racist' or 'xenophobic' on here by some because of my views.

As to the sporting of 'dreadlocks' by white people - So what?

Assimilation is a two-way street - or ought to be.

Part of the huge problem with the Muslim immigrant women in Western Society, is the Hijabs, Niqabs, and Burkas.

Rightly or wrongly, indigenous people in Western Countries would feel more comfortable were Islamic women to wear more 'Western' type clothing - as SOME courageous Muslim women in the UK already do, much to their own risk - and NO ONE in their right mind would point the finger at a Muslim woman wearing Western clothes and berate her for doing so, or accuse her of 'copying' our culture.

From the height of Tamla Motown, when The Supremes and other superstars straightened their afro-american hair, to the '80's when singers such as the half-Jamaican singer Yazz ('The Only Way Is Up') sported bleached blond hair, to the present, with Beyonce and a host of others sporting blond tresses and even wearing blue/green contact lenses over their brown irises, I can not ever recall ANYONE anywhere ever accusing any black celebrity of either 'betraying their own culture' OR '(mis)appropriating' a Western culture, and the whole subject is just ludicrous.

As ludicrous as 'Colour Recognition' itself:

Does ANYONE in the world who is sane, REALLY look at Muhammad Ali or Wesley Snipes and automatically THINK; 'there is that BLACK boxer Muhammad Ali' or 'there is that BLACK actor Wesley Snipes'?

NO - THEY SEE JUST A BOXER AND ACTOR.

If I disturbed a burglary at my home and saw a BLACK burglar running away, I would use the descriptor 'BLACK MAN' in my report to the police - purely as an aid to identifying the possible culprit.

But if I were discussing the song 'All The Single Ladies' with a friend who had not heard the track, I would NOT say; "You remember, by that BLACK singer Beyonce" - it would simply be; "It was by Beyonce".

There is a very disturbing and sick 'Culture of Fear' in society now; one which prevents ordinary people from doing erstwhile innocent things, or speaking certain erstwhile acceptable truths, because they FEAR that their actions and words will be misinterpreted and that they will be 'pounced upon' with grave consequences by the P.C. Brigade.

Perhaps those who consistently perceive 'Racism' in all its forms in people who are not racist, and in innocent situations where racism does not exist, should start self-analysis and looking deeper into their own tormented psyche.

[Livia]

Black people aren't the only ones to have worn Dreadlocks though, Celts had them as did Vikings and apparently they originated in India. Getting annoyed with another race wearing a hairstyle you deem to be part of your culture is just pure stupidity imo. If white people claimed that black people weren't allowed wear their hair a certain way there would be up roar.

Agree with this. If white people said black people should not dye their hair blonde, or wear blue contact lenses there would be, as you say, uproar.

Maybe people should just mind their own business, live and let live.

[Crimson Dynamo]

watcha liv

[bots]

I could understand it if it was seen as a core factor that contributed to a particular races identity AND it was being used in a derogatory fashion. I don't think this satisfies either criteria so its just another example of someone desperate to be offended.

[Livia]

watcha liv

Hey Trumpet x

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

This THREAD is banal, but I just want to redress a few wrongs, starting with Elvis Presley - Elvis did not 'steal' anything from anyone.

Elvis Presley - like Sinatra and Bobby Darin - was a champion of 'Black Civil Rights'.

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Cool story bruh. Lincoln also championed for blacks, abolishing slavery, but he still thought the white race was superior.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Agree with this. If white people said black people should not dye their hair blonde, or wear blue contact lenses there would be, as you say, uproar.

Maybe people should just mind their own business, live and let live.

People have been where have you been?
Blue eyes is no specific to whites, I posted a black woman with blue eyes.

Egyptians wore it first.

Everyone seems to get into an uproar when this sort of thing happens to a white kid, where was the world wide outrage when black girls were wearing braids in school and people called it **** locks? Where was the front page story? And then that little black girl goes home crying thinking she's not beautiful enough because school, media, and tv tell her white, straight hair is more beautiful. But oh no, you're not suppose to grow up with any animosity little black girl. You're supposed to behave. There are still racist people in the world, but not everyone, don't hold every white person accountable even though the majority are still benefiting from their ancestors doings and the media is still calling you butt ugly with apparently ''scientific'' facts while your white workmate is the beautiful. Next week she can wear **** locks and everyone's loving it.

[arista]

Cool story bruh. Lincoln also championed for blacks, abolishing slavery, but he still thought the white race was superior.


Yes the Days of the British Empire
if only i had a time machine!
I could Run Australia.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes the Days of the British Empire
if only i had a time machine!
I could Run Australia.
Going by some of the PM's they have had recently you still could

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Yes the Days of the British Empire
if only i had a time machine!
I could Run Australia.

I'm sure you could.


I give up because you people can't get it. This whole thread will just be all of you telling black people why they shouldn't be offended. This board is predominantly white and I don't have the energy to fight against everyone. Carry on. :wink:

[Livia]

People have been where have you been?
Blue eyes is no specific to whites, I posted a black woman with blue eyes.

Egyptians wore it first.

Everyone seems to get into an uproar when this sort of thing happens to a white kid, where was the world wide outrage when black girls were wearing braids in school and people called it **** locks? Where was the front page story? And then that little black girl goes home crying thinking she's not beautiful enough because school, media, and tv tell her white, straight hair is more beautiful. But oh no, you're not suppose to grow up with any animosity little black girl. You're supposed to behave. There are still racist people in the world, but not everyone, don't hold every white person accountable even though the majority are still benefiting from their ancestors doings and the media is still calling you butt ugly with apparently ''scientific'' facts while your white workmate is the beautiful. Next week she can wear **** locks and everyone's loving it.

You make no sense. Try posting just your opinion without the usual rant about how awful white people are and how downtrodden black people are.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

You make no sense. Try posting just your opinion without the usual rant about how awful white people are and how downtrodden black people are.

Of course it wouldn't make sense to you darling. But even when I post my opinions same result.

[Niamh.]

Closed - I think this has run it's course