What has the European Convention on Human Rights ever done for us?

[Scarlett.]

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[Kizzy]

Brilliant!!! :laugh2:

[DemolitionRed]

That is really funny!

[Crimson Dynamo]

actors reading a script ripping of monty python?

well thats me convinced

:idc:

[user104658]

actors reading a script ripping of monty python?

well thats me convinced

:idc:

Every time someone votes no on an EU referrendum, a cop gets unfairly blamed for the shooting of a black teenager. Just remember that, LT, when you cast your vote...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Every time someone votes no on an EU referrendum, a cop gets unfairly blamed for the shooting of a black teenager. Just remember that, LT, when you cast your vote...

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those brave law enforcement officers

[Tom4784]

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[Niamh.]

Every time someone votes no on an EU referrendum, a cop gets unfairly blamed for the shooting of a black teenager. Just remember that, LT, when you cast your vote...

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[bots]

they didn't mention any of the stupid things introduced like the rights of murders to vote in elections etc. The simple fact is that if a government wishes to ignore the court of human rights, there is nothing anyone can do about it for years, by which time another government is in place etc. Those we adhere to, we do already, the others ... no one gives a damn

[Livia]

The aqueduct?

[the truth]

we had those rights in the first place....typical liberal one eyed drivel

[Tom4784]

they didn't mention any of the stupid things introduced like the rights of murders to vote in elections etc. The simple fact is that if a government wishes to ignore the court of human rights, there is nothing anyone can do about it for years, by which time another government is in place etc. Those we adhere to, we do already, the others ... no one gives a damn

That's the thing dear, it's not 'Law Abiding citizens' rights' it's 'HUMAN rights'. It's an everything or nothing kind of deal.

To be against it because the idea of a criminal having the right to vote is so silly. It honestly shocks me how easily people will denounce their own rights just for a chance to be petty.

[the truth]

That's the thing dear, it's not 'Law Abiding citizens' rights' it's 'HUMAN rights'. It's an everything or nothing kind of deal.

To be against it because the idea of a criminal having the right to vote is so silly. It honestly shocks me how easily people will denounce their own rights just for a chance to be petty.

human rights lawyers sadly abused these laws to allow terrorists to escape prison and prevented us extradite these mass murderers before they did more damage to innocent people

[Tom4784]

human rights lawyers sadly abused these laws to allow terrorists to escape prison and prevented us extradite these mass murderers before they did more damage to innocent people

So you want to denounce your own rights just because of a niche example, that seems smart.

I cannot abide it. It's just stupid beyond words how people are willing to throw away the rights which prevents countries from turning into North Korea just because they're scared ****less of a boogeyman or because they want to be petty. It's ****ing aggravating, self entitled and just ignorant to an extreme.

[DemolitionRed]

Yes we did and leaving Europe won't touch our ECHR. We couldn't join the EU without it but we can leave with it.

Now there's always a risk with this present government. Once or twice Cameron has falsely threatened to scrap the 'Human Rights Act' and although he can't do that within the EU, he can certainly try to do that if we are out of the EU.

Whichever way we vote, we need to remain vigilant about this. I'm voting out but that doesn't mean I'm not concerned about possible changes to what is presently mandatory and compulsory jurisdiction of the court.

[Tom4784]

Yes we did and leaving Europe won't touch our ECHR. We couldn't join the EU without it but we can leave with it.

Now there's always a risk with this present government. Once or twice Cameron has falsely threatened to scrap the 'Human Rights Act' and although he can't do that within the EU, he can certainly try to do that if we are out of the EU.

Whichever way we vote, we need to remain vigilant about this. I'm voting out but that doesn't mean I'm not concerned about possible changes to what is presently mandatory and compulsory jurisdiction of the court.

Exactly, why anyone would want to let this government off the leash without the EU there to step in is beyond me. This government has already tried to cut vital benefits for the disabled and the working class and they'd only get worse if left to their own devices.

[the truth]

So you want to denounce your own rights just because of a niche example, that seems smart.

I cannot abide it. It's just stupid beyond words how people are willing to throw away the rights which prevents countries from turning into North Korea just because they're scared ****less of a boogeyman or because they want to be petty. It's ****ing aggravating, self entitled and just ignorant to an extreme.

As usual the straw man argument arguing against something ive not even said lol thay may work on campus but not in the real world. the human rights laws always existed, we have our own in the UK that is perfectly suitable. The example I gave was very important and you shouldnt dismiss the mass killings by terrorists inspired and taught by radical preachers. people have the human right to live in peace free from terrorism and hateful preachers on the streets demanding a fatwa on infidels. The human rights laws simply needing tweekin in the uk and applying better by police and politicians scared of political correctness created by new labour

[Tom4784]

As usual the straw man argument arguing against something ive not even said lol thay may work on campus but not in the real world. the human rights laws always existed, we have our own in the UK that is perfectly suitable. The example I gave was very important and you shouldnt dismiss the mass killings by terrorists inspired and taught by radical preachers. people have the human right to live in peace free from terrorism and hateful preachers on the streets demanding a fatwa on infidels. The human rights laws simply needing tweekin in the uk and applying better by police and politicians scared of political correctness created by new labour

Surely resorting to the whole terrorism angle as a reason to oppose the Human Rights act is the biggest strawman of all.

[the truth]

Exactly, why anyone would want to let this government off the leash without the EU there to step in is beyond me. This government has already tried to cut vital benefits for the disabled and the working class and they'd only get worse if left to their own devices.

the disabled have been ignored for years anyway as womens rights have drowned out parliament. disabled access has gone backwards, labour even changed the laws on disabled vehicle adaptations, making it illegal to transfer them from one disabled vehicle to another. this meant in reality a disabled person had to spend an extra £2000 per vehicle every time he or she buys one

dla didnt rise with inflation uder labour because they handed out too many benefits to breed for benefits people who wanted a free council house and vats amounts of other benefits, I dont think immigration was the biggest issue, many came to work, though the story was different from different countries, this in turn destroyed the economy

this lead to the country collapsing and in world record debts. this was handed onto the tories. the tories had to make cuts, they had to weed out who was the legitimate claimants and who wasnt. they went too far with it in the end and hurt a lot of sick genuine disabled people which is a disgrace. but labour cannot take the moral high ground they destroyed the country and created this mess

[the truth]

Surely resorting to the whole terrorism angle as a reason to oppose the Human Rights act is the biggest strawman of all.

you really dont even understand the strawman...the strawman is a false argument. the terrorism is real. we need laws that deal with terrorism which kills tens of thousands around the world each year, and we must forget illegal immigration either

[Tom4784]

the disabled have been ignored for years anyway as womens rights have drowned out parliament. disabled access has gone backwards, labour even changed the laws on disabled vehicle adaptations, making it illegal to transfer them from one disabled vehicle to another. this meant in reality a disabled person had to spend an extra £2000 per vehicle every time he or she buys one

dla didnt rise with inflation uder labour because they handed out too many benefits to breed for benefits people who wanted a free council house and vats amounts of other benefits, I dont think immigration was the biggest issue, many came to work, though the story was different from different countries, this in turn destroyed the economy

this lead to the country collapsing and in world record debts. this was handed onto the tories. the tories had to make cuts, they had to weed out who was the legitimate claimants and who wasnt. they went too far with it in the end and hurt a lot of sick genuine disabled people which is a disgrace. but labour cannot take the moral high ground they destroyed the country and created this mess

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[Scarlett.]

you really dont even understand the strawman...the strawman is a false argument. the terrorism is real. we need laws that deal with terrorism which kills tens of thousands around the world each year, and we must forget illegal immigration either

And leaving the EU will magically end terrorism and illegal immigration forever? :joker:

Bull****, what will likely happen is more bull**** like the snoopers charter, except worse, since there wont be any EU laws preventing it.

[Tom4784]

you really dont even understand the strawman...the strawman is a false argument. the terrorism is real. we need laws that deal with terrorism which kills tens of thousands around the world each year, and we must forget illegal immigration either

I understand more than you do, you don't even understand the fact that, like or it not, everyone is entitled to their Human Rights and you keep bringing up the tired ol' Terrorism example to reinforce to everyone how little you understand.

Everyone in this country is entitled to their human rights, it doesn't matter whether you like it or not, and that's how it should stay. It's not Human Rights if you pick and choose who deserves it. It's all or nothing.

[the truth]

I understand more than you do, you don't even understand the fact that, like or it not, everyone is entitled to their Human Rights and you keep bringing up the tired ol' Terrorism example to reinforce to everyone how little you understand.

Everyone in this country is entitled to their human rights, it doesn't matter whether you like it or not, and that's how it should stay. It's not Human Rights if you pick and choose who deserves it. It's all or nothing.

you are wrong. Everyone has human rights, but when a terrorists kills 100s of people they deserve to be killed so save any future fatalities. The fact is the human rights have always existed and always been amended over time. british human rights are perectly fine. the eu human rights is too rigid too broad and due to this inflexibility it sees far too many serious terrorists to slip through the net. Thankfully the government has slowly brought the laws into line to try to deal with this relatively new phenomena of netwrok terrorism. Flexibility if the key and reacting to the changing circumstances. your hard line inflexible stance is extremely dangerous. there are always exceptions to every law. when a cop is chasing a man with a loaded gun who has already killed, that man does not maintain the same human rights at the exact moment, he has the right to give himself up or he dies.

[bots]

That's the thing dear, it's not 'Law Abiding citizens' rights' it's 'HUMAN rights'. It's an everything or nothing kind of deal.

To be against it because the idea of a criminal having the right to vote is so silly. It honestly shocks me how easily people will denounce their own rights just for a chance to be petty.

It is my belief, dear, that if you end up in jail, you lose things like voting rights. After all, that protects those who do abide by the countries laws. I cannot stand it when people try to give rights to people that have, by their own actions, lost those rights.

I'm not denouncing my own rights in supporting that view, and its certainly not being petty

[the truth]

It is my belief, dear, that if you end up in jail, you lose things like voting rights. After all, that protects those who do abide by the countries laws. I cannot stand it when people try to give rights to people that have, by their own actions, lost those rights.

I'm not denouncing my own rights in supporting that view, and its certainly not being petty

but what about the rights of the 911 bombers? we shouldnt be allowed to kill those people according to the logic of this poster?

[Scarlett.]

but what about the rights of the 911 bombers? we shouldnt be allowed to kill those people according to the logic of this poster?

Well, they kinda killed themselves already so...

[the truth]

Well, they kinda killed themselves already so...

thats pretty pedantic , not all terrorists kill themselves

[Crimson Dynamo]

whenever i want to get to the crux of a political matter I always reach for a luvvie champagne socialist actor to give it to me straight


jesus h christ on a bike

[Kizzy]

whenever i want to get to the crux of a political matter I always reach for a luvvie champagne socialist actor to give it to me straight


jesus h christ on a bike

Well give it to you he did, and if you're waiting for a politician to give it to you straight, you'll have a frigging long wait!

[DemolitionRed]

Exactly, why anyone would want to let this government off the leash without the EU there to step in is beyond me. This government has already tried to cut vital benefits for the disabled and the working class and they'd only get worse if left to their own devices.

I don't want to let this government off the leash Dezzy but, and this comes out of huge amounts of reading on both sides of the TTIP deal, if we allow TTIP to go ahead then the 'neo-liberal bsatards' have won, the rich become gloriously richer and the middle and working class citizens get sucked into one big pool of poverty. TTIP treaties can and will change laws and that includes human rights and the only way it can continue to pave the way is to remain in the EU.

Neo-liberal conservatism is being exposed for what it really is. People are waking up and I doubt a conservative government (unless it goes back to classical conservatism) will be voted in next time round, especially if our present government attempt to change The Human Rights Act.

I've very seriously weighed up the two and although it feels like 'damned if you do and damned if you don't', I firmly believe the out vote may work more reliably in our favour when it comes to our human rights.

The biggest reason for me voting out is because I'm passionate about our human rights.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well give it to you he did, and if you're waiting for a politician to give it to you straight, you'll have a frigging long wait!

yes, without the EU we would all be killing and torturing each other

:idc:

same old bollox the Christians tried with the Celts 2000 years ago

[the truth]

I don't want to let this government off the leash Dezzy but, and this comes out of huge amounts of reading on both sides of the TTIP deal, if we allow TTIP to go ahead then the 'neo-liberal bsatards' have won, the rich become gloriously richer and the middle and working class citizens get sucked into one big pool of poverty. TTIP treaties can and will change laws and that includes human rights and the only way it can continue to pave the way is to remain in the EU.

Neo-liberal conservatism is being exposed for what it really is. People are waking up and I doubt a conservative government (unless it goes back to classical conservatism) will be voted in next time round, especially if our present government attempt to change The Human Rights Act.

I've very seriously weighed up the two and although it feels like 'damned if you do and damned if you don't', I firmly believe the out vote may work more reliably in our favour when it comes to our human rights.

The biggest reason for me voting out is because I'm passionate about our human rights.

ttip is the work of the devil