Disney's 'Frozen' fans campaign for Elsa to be gay

[Ninastar]

Seen quite a few articles about this over the last few days or so. What are your thoughts? I have a link here for those who want to know more.

http://www.people.com/article/frozen-fans-twitter-disney-elsa-lesbian-sequel-give-elsa-girlfriend

Do you think it's too soon?

I have a mixed opinion really. I think it should be up to the parents to tell their kids what being gay is, but I also think there should be more LGBT characters on TV. I'm not so sure about Elsa being gay, because to be totally honest, I can actually imagine that confusing so many young girls. There are so many young girls (and boys) out there who absolutely love Elsa and I think that if they saw Elsa all in love with a girl on TV, they would want to be like Elsa too. Which I guess there is nothing wrong with that, but I also think kids shouldn't be thinking about all this stuff either.

So yeah my opinion is really confusing and complicated, but when am I ever not confusing and complicated.

What are your thoughts? Should Elsa be gay in the Frozen sequel? (not that it will ever happen)

[Firewire]

Definitely, I think it would've been helpful having a gay character to look up to when I was growing up

[Jay28jay2]

I think younger children need to see gay or straight characters. If they are older and they like the same gender and are confused about it, they wont be anymore. They will understand because of this.

Obviously some of the catty "best parents in the world who know everything about parenting" will march into facebook and twitter comments, ofcom or whatever they do for Disney, and spit their venom with irrelivent opinions

[Firewire]

The thing is, those who complain are the minority. People will boycott but it won't have a huge impact as the vast majority would accept it.

[Braden]

I just feel that if they were to make her character gay then it would only be to generate more of a hype around the next film, and not because they genuinely think that it's the best thing to do with the character.

I feel that a new film based on the idea of a gay hero would be much better. I actually pitched an idea for one of my assignments, which was to turn the book 'The Princes and the Treasure' into a Disney film.

I doubt this will happen though, and there are always people who will complain about it. Disney is too big of a brand to take such a risk in my opinion.

[Vicky.]

I don't really see the need. But I don't much care either way...

[Jordan.]

Just seems like it'd be forced and pandering to the twitter SJW rather than educating children, who I imagine really don't care about what relationships are going on in animated films. Let them discover same sex relationships in their own time rather than shoving it in their faces.

[Marsh.]

She's not butch enough.

[Vicky.]

She's not butch enough.

They could give her a crew cut? :hehe:

All lesbian couples I know have one really girly girl and one butch anyway :suspect:

Maybe they could make Cristoff transgendered then we can have a massive 'sister stole my boyfriend who is now a girlfriend' drama and please people who campaign for stuff like this even more. Infact...maybe elsa should come out as a demi-boy :amazed:

[Ninastar]

i will boycott if they cut elsas hair off

[Marsh.]

They could give her a crew cut? :hehe:

All lesbian couples I know have one really girly girl and one butch anyway :suspect:

Maybe they could make Cristoff transgendered then we can have a massive 'sister stole my boyfriend who is now a girlfriend' drama and please people who campaign for stuff like this even more. Infact...maybe elsa should come out as a demi-boy :amazed:

i will boycott if they cut elsas hair off

:joker::joker::joker:

[Vicky.]

i will boycott if they cut elsas hair off

She looks dreadful with her hair messed up so I imagine she would look worse with none :(

Skye had one of those singing elsa dolls and gavs daughter took the bobble out of the plait and I swear it looks like a scarecrow now and we can't fix it..it looks so bad and it upsets Skye so much we are considering buying another one just for the hair to be right :facepalm:

[Ninastar]

Elsa with a plait would have definitely made me realise how gay I was as a child. Meg from Hercules was bad enough but Elsa would have been something else

[Jamie89]

I'd be all for it. It might be confusing for a lot of children but that's only because they've been shielded from something that they shouldn't have been shielded from in the first place, so it wouldn't be the fault of Disney that they're confused. But once their parents explain it to them then problem solved. I don't see it as being an issue. I don't think it would EVER happen though (or at least not in the foreseeable future) because it would be such a huge risk financially. Maybe with a smaller film or TV show but not something as big as Frozen (especially the main character). But yeah, ideally there'd be gay characters and gay relationships shown on children's TV in the same way straight relationships are shown, since that's the reality they're growing up in, seems dumb to try and hide it from kids when all it's going to do is cause confusion when they grow up.

The thing is, those who complain are the minority. People will boycott but it won't have a huge impact as the vast majority would accept it.

I think the influence of the American bible belt is big enough to stop it from happening tbh

[Jack_]

Haven't seen Frozen so it's not like I have any attachment to the character but yes, gay and other minority characters should absolutely be a feature of children's television and literature.

The more children are exposed to these kinds of things early, the more likely it is that any prejudices fed down from their parents will be stopped in their tracks. The reason we live in such a heteronormative society is because nearly all kids TV shows and books focus on relationships between men and women, this doesn't reflect real life so neither should they. The more visibility they get, the less marginalised they become and obviously it gives non-heterosexual children growing up a sense of belonging and people to idolise.

I really can't see any justifiable argument against it.

[Vicky.]

I don't really think it would confuse most kids tbh..I doubt they would even ask. Kids don't tend to have the same prejudices that some adults have.

[Jamie89]

Just seems like it'd be forced and pandering to the twitter SJW rather than educating children, who I imagine really don't care about what relationships are going on in animated films. Let them discover same sex relationships in their own time rather than shoving it in their faces.

Not that I think it will happen anyway, but if it is something that will change at some point, and eventually we get people of different orientations being represented on children's TV, it will probably be because of the pressure from people like the twitter SJW and companies pandering to them, so if that's what it takes to change things then that's a good thing.

[Black Dagger]

She was always a recluse, that didn't really have any feelings for male or female, she's a strong, independant woman.

It just seems like making a case for it for the sake of it, when we should have some proper LGBT prince and princesses with the characteristics.

[_Tom_]

Just seems like it'd be forced and pandering to the twitter SJW rather than educating children, who I imagine really don't care about what relationships are going on in animated films. Let them discover same sex relationships in their own time rather than shoving it in their faces.

I agree with this. Not every movie needs to contain or be centered around LGBT.

[Marsh.]

Maybe create a new character whose a lesbian.

I don't see the advantage of forcing it into an already existing franchise. Are they even making a sequel?

[Jamie89]

I don't really think it would confuse most kids tbh..I doubt they would even ask. Kids don't tend to have the same prejudices that some adults have.

Kids would probably be the least bothered by it :laugh:

[Greg!]

I don't see why not. And if making ha a lesbian makes people boycott then that's their problem

[Ninastar]

She was always a recluse, that didn't really have any feelings for male or female, she's a strong, independant woman.

It just seems like making a case for it for the sake of it, when we should have some proper LGBT prince and princesses with the characteristics.

Yeah, I think I agree with this most tbh. I think we need to see it happen more on tv shows and small movies first, before we see this stuff in the big screen.

[Vicky.]

Hows about making Woody and Buzz suddenly discover their feelings for each other? If 'think of the children' is the excuse for frozen..I'm betting there are more adults than kids who watch the toy story movies :laugh:

[Marsh.]

The cowgirl in Toy Story was clearly a raving lesbian.

[Jack_]

Kids don't tend to have the same prejudices that some adults have.

They don't, prejudice is learned...nobody is born racist or homophobic because there's just no reason for them to be, it's stupid.

There would still be parents who tried to stop their kids from seeing stuff like this but they'd at least be exposed to it at school and stuff, it's the best way to combat it.

Are they even making a sequel?

It's Disney and their highest-grossing animated film of all time. Is this even a question? :laugh:

[T*]

I want LGBT cartoon characters but I don't want them to be existing characters that may have got existing plot lines behind them... Frozen 2 is happening. Elsa is probably going to find straight love. Do people really think theyll do a u-turn??? Just make new characters rather than making a random thing for a character just because some SJW's said so

[Lostie!]

She was always a recluse, that didn't really have any feelings for male or female, she's a strong, independant woman.

It just seems like making a case for it for the sake of it, when we should have some proper LGBT prince and princesses with the characteristics.

All of this. :clap2:

[Tom4784]

I don't think she was designed to be gay so I think it would feel like pandering. I like the fact that she's not a Disney princess whose only priority is romance and I'd rather they keep her single in future films.

They should design an LGBT princess instead of changing previously created characters to fill the role.

[Ninastar]

i think what upset me the most was seeing all the people who shipped anna/elsa on tumblr

[Shaun]

I'm here for Aladdin going gay. I'd ride his magic carpet etc.

[Marsh.]

i think what upset me the most was seeing all the people who shipped anna/elsa on tumblr

I thought they were sisters. :omgno:

[Ninastar]

I thought they were sisters. :omgno:

they are, which is why its disturbing!!!

[Ninastar]

i just googled Elsanna to prove it but i couldnt even go through with looking at the pics. my god there are some sick people out there

[Marsh.]

I was already repulsed by that picture of Snow White partaking in bukkake with the seven dwarfs.

[Natalie.]

I don't think so

I think it'd be better to make a new film about it, which I'd love to see

[jennyjuniper]

Why bring sexuality at all into what is essentially a childrens film? Todays society seems intent on ruining childrens innocence and making them grow up far too quickly. Let them have one area of their lives uncluttered by sexual promotion from any side.

[Firewire]

Why bring sexuality at all into what is essentially a childrens film? Todays society seems intent on ruining childrens innocence and making them grow up far too quickly. Let them have one area of their lives uncluttered by sexual promotion from any side.

Because sexuality is a part of childhood, it allows them to see that being gay is acceptable. Many people don't have that support.

[Niamh.]

She was always a recluse, that didn't really have any feelings for male or female, she's a strong, independant woman.

It just seems like making a case for it for the sake of it, when we should have some proper LGBT prince and princesses with the characteristics.

Yeah I agree with this, can we have a Princess who doesn't need romance for once, that'd be as unusual as a disney Princess who is gay tbqh

But yeah, I don't really have a strong opinion on this whole thing

[Crimson Dynamo]

no. its like in Balamory when the kids arrive in the classroom (on Mull in the Hebrides) and they are asian, chinese, black etc and its like er no on Mull they woukld all be peely wally white with half with ginger hair

ridiculous gerrymandering to pander to pc

leave kids tv alone you goats

[Jamie89]

no. its like in Balamory when the kids arrive in the classroom (on Mull in the Hebrides) and they are asian, chinese, black etc and its like er no on Mull they woukld all be peely wally white with half with ginger hair

ridiculous gerrymandering to pander to pc

leave kids tv alone you goats

The point of that isn't to show an exact demographic representation of the area, it's to teach kids that multiculturalism should be seen as normal, because one day they might move out of their 'white only' area and experience the real world and hopefully react to asian, chinese, black etc people without prejudice.

But on this I've decided I agree with the people saying she should have no romance whatsoever and be independent (and maybe introduce a new, separate lgbt character instead).

[Crimson Dynamo]

The point of that isn't to show an exact demographic representation of the area, it's to teach kids that multiculturalism should be seen as normal, because one day they might move out of their 'white only' area and experience the real world and hopefully react to asian, chinese, black etc people without prejudice.

But on this I've decided I agree with the people saying she should have no romance whatsoever and be independent (and maybe introduce a new, separate lgbt character instead).

thats not the job of a kids tv show thats a parents job. The kids show should be accurate . multiculturalism isnt normal on mull where the show is set.

Also multiculturalism has caused huge problems in the UK due to its uncontrolled nature so its also a lie

[Livia]

I'm not keen on the idea of making a character gay as an afterthought. I'd like them to create a strong gay character and make it crystal clear from the start. Disney had a black princess and the sky didn't fall in. You think they'd have learned from that.

[arista]

I'm here for Aladdin going gay. I'd ride his magic carpet etc.


how nice

[Jamie89]

thats not the job of a kids tv show thats a parents job. The kids show should be accurate . multiculturalism isnt normal on mull where the show is set.

Also multiculturalism has caused huge problems in the UK due to its uncontrolled nature so its also a lie

There really isn't any benefit to a kid being taught by a kids show that everyone on the mull is white. Whereas there is benefit to teaching them about multiculturalism because regardless of whether or not anyone thinks it's a good or bad thing, it's the reality of the world they're growing up in. So it doesn't matter where the show is set. (And as far as kids shows needing to be accurate goes, I can't remember ever meeting any talking animals or living glove puppets etc :laugh:, it's about the message they're being taught).
And yes it's mainly the parents job to teach them things like that but there's also nothing wrong with a kids show teaching them too (especially since a lot of parents might not bother)... it's no different to characters on sesame street solving maths problems or whatever. It's not their 'job' to teach them maths, but most kids shows have an educational element to them anyway (which is a good thing surely?) If the issue is simply that you're against multiculturalism, well to be honest, it's like me saying that I'm against maths and I don't want to see cartoonified numbers popping up on kids shows because it's so unrealistic and I'd rather pretend that numbers don't exist.

[Livia]

There really isn't any benefit to a kid being taught by a kids show that everyone on the mull is white. Whereas there is benefit to teaching them about multiculturalism because regardless of whether or not anyone thinks it's a good or bad thing, it's the reality of the world they're growing up in. So it doesn't matter where the show is set. (And as far as kids shows needing to be accurate goes, I can't remember ever meeting any talking animals or living glove puppets etc :laugh:, it's about the message they're being taught).
And yes it's mainly the parents job to teach them things like that but there's also nothing wrong with a kids show teaching them too (especially since a lot of parents might not bother)... it's no different to characters on sesame street solving maths problems or whatever. It's not their 'job' to teach them maths, but most kids shows have an educational element to them anyway (which is a good thing surely?) If the issue is simply that you're against multiculturalism, well to be honest, it's like me saying that I'm against maths and I don't want to see cartoonified numbers popping up on kids shows because it's so unrealistic and I'd rather pretend that numbers don't exist.

People on Mull aren't white. That is nothing to be ashamed of. If they wanted to show a multi-cultural community then set it in Birmingham or Leicester or London. By showing various cultures pretending they live in what is an all-white community makes it look like an all-white community is something to be ashamed of. And it isn't.

[billy123]

It really is beyond me why any character in childrens tv should be sexualised in any way i find that creepy.
I doubt there are any little kids wanting to know its just just adults being odd.
I really dont think little kids even think about or care if Elsa is gay,lesbian,hetrosexual.hermaphrodite,bisexual,bla ck,white,fictional,real,disney,pixtar or even from Leeds. They are just a princess.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Also Archie lives in a pink castle, has a pink jumper and wears a pink tartan dress :suspect:

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/480xn/p032kpwk.jpghttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/blobclash/images/8/82/Archie_3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131223144221

[Crimson Dynamo]

*waits for the first gay Dalek to turn up on Doctor Who..

Instead of exterminate it says on fleek


:suspect:

[Jamie89]

People on Mull aren't white. That is nothing to be ashamed of. If they wanted to show a multi-cultural community then set it in Birmingham or Leicester or London. By showing various cultures pretending they live in what is an all-white community makes it look like an all-white community is something to be ashamed of. And it isn't.

My point is though that there's nothing wrong with them showing different cultures even if in real life you wouldn't find it in that particular area, because it's a kids show and it doesn't have to be realistic in that respect, so the setting isn't really important. I can't see how it would have any negative impact on the kids watching it, but the positive is that they're getting used to seeing different cultures mixing.

Also Archie lives in a pink castle, has a pink jumper and wears a pink tartan dress :suspect:

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/480xn/p032kpwk.jpghttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/blobclash/images/8/82/Archie_3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131223144221

Kween :clap1:

[_Tom_]

Kids have these gay icons to look up to anyway.

http://i.imgur.com/EJBXn37.jpg?1

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kids have these gay icons to look up to anyway.

http://i.imgur.com/EJBXn37.jpg?1

no gay man would have a monobrow

dont be silly

[Niamh.]

It really is beyond me why any character in childrens tv should be sexualised in any way i find that creepy.
I doubt there are any little kids wanting to know its just just adults being odd.
I really dont think little kids even think about or care if Elsa is gay,lesbian,hetrosexual.hermaphrodite,bisexual,bla ck,white,fictional,real,disney,pixtar or even from Leeds. They are just a princess.

Why is it sexualising it to have a same sex romantic interest but not if it's an opposite sex romantic interest though? Like the vast majority of Disney princess type films have a romantic male interest (if not all)

[Shaun]

It'll be three centuries before anyone is comfortable with a Disney Princess from Leeds

[VanessaFeltz.]

Elsa was not designed to be gay. I dont think it would help throwing gay characters randomly.

But thinking about it more i think it is needed to have diverse characters specially lgbt characters because it is easier to teach people in this way, children will be more tolerant in future rather than lecture them about the subject.

It would be easier for me if i had seen these kind of stuff when i was a kid because i didnt know what this was even, religion said it is a sin blah blah and it wasnt until like 10th grade i found this side of the internet and i was shocked to see people being so open so accepting about their sexualities. It took another two years to fully understand the situation and myself. What was lost? Years of my life.

Things like this are very important to sway opinions in the countries such as east europe countries, turkey where public opinion of lgbt could be swayed little by little if the word of love and acceptance was told smartly. Lecturing people wouldnt help that much.

[Marsh.]

It'll be three centuries before anyone is comfortable with a Disney Princess from Leeds

Kizzy's time to shine?

[Babayaro.]

no gay man would have a monobrow

dont be silly

Lucas shade?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lucas shade?

:laugh2:

[Mystic Mock]

I'm undecided because I've never actually seen the Film so I wouldn't know if it fits her character or not, or if it's even relevant to the storylines and character development in the Film/soon to be Films.

[Niamh.]

Elsa was not designed to be gay. I dont think it would help throwing gay characters randomly.

But thinking about it more i think it is needed to have diverse characters specially lgbt characters because it is easier to teach people in this way, children will be more tolerant in future rather than lecture them about the subject.

It would be easier for me if i had seen these kind of stuff when i was a kid because i didnt know what this was even, religion said it is a sin blah blah and it wasnt until like 10th grade i found this side of the internet and i was shocked to see people being so open so accepting about their sexualities. It took another two years to fully understand the situation and myself. What was lost? Years of my life.

Things like this are very important to sway opinions in the countries such as east europe countries, turkey where public opinion of lgbt could be swayed little by little if the word of love and acceptance was told smartly. Lecturing people wouldnt help that much.

I'm undecided because I've never actually seen the Film so I wouldn't know if it fits her character or not, or if it's even relevant to the storylines and character development in the Film/soon to be Films.

Well, you could argue that she wasn't really designed to be either in the first film because she had no love interest at all in it. I still think they should leave her without a love interest but they didn't really imply anything at all about her orientation in the first film :shrug:

[Vicky.]

*waits for the first gay Dalek to turn up on Doctor Who..

Instead of exterminate it says on fleek


:suspect:

:joker:

[jennyjuniper]

It really is beyond me why any character in childrens tv should be sexualised in any way i find that creepy.
I doubt there are any little kids wanting to know its just just adults being odd.
I really dont think little kids even think about or care if Elsa is gay,lesbian,hetrosexual.hermaphrodite,bisexual,bla ck,white,fictional,real,disney,pixtar or even from Leeds. They are just a princess.

Totally agree.:clap1:

[Tom4784]

Yet straight romances are a-okay? Why is that?

[Brother Leon]

Sounds stupid unless she was originally intended to be gay in the first place or there is a slight indication. I can't comment as I haven't watched it.

[Tom4784]

Sounds stupid unless she was originally intended to be gay in the first place or there is a slight indication. I can't comment as I haven't watched it.

You could argue that her arc is an allegory for homosexuality which is probably why there are people who want her to be gay.

[Livia]

Sounds stupid unless she was originally intended to be gay in the first place or there is a slight indication. I can't comment as I haven't watched it.

I bet you have watched it, BL. I bet you've got a 'Frozen' backpack and Olaf pyjamas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yet straight romances are a-okay? Why is that?

probably because most people are straight

If it were the other way around it would be the same