Scot arrested for teaching dog nazi salute as joke: Is 1984 finally here?

[Liberty4eva]

A youtuber in Scotland wanted to annoy his girlfriend so he taught his dog nazism as a joke. The video went viral and he subsequently was arrested. Here the video that police claim was a hate crime.

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[arista]

Do you have a Link for the Story?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Im guessing that if he was a jew and members of his family had been murdered in the most horrific manner he would not think this was such a massive hoot

:idc:

[user104658]

Gazdijuse. 'mon gazdijuze by the way.

[user104658]

Im guessing that if he was a jew and members of his family had been murdered in the most horrific manner he would not think this was such a massive hoot

:idc:

Meh. I didn't find it all that funny but not because of the gazdijuse. It just wasn't a very funny video... :shrug:

It's sure as **** not a hate crime though - no moreso than countless episodes of South Park / Family Guy etc. Again it's up to the viewer whether or not they find it funny, BUT you don't see the creators being arrested for "hate crimes".

Or is there a difference when the content is "amateur"?

Don't see why there should be.

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[smudgie]

I thought he kept asking the dog if it wanted a glass of juice.
He may thnk he isn't racist by the way...but I found him to be an offensive dickhead.

[Cherie]

I thought he kept asking the dog if it wanted a glass of juice.
He may thnk he isn't racist by the way...but I found him to be an offensive dickhead.

Me too Smudgie it too ages for the penny to drop I can understand why he was arrested, It was more to with his attitude and his promotion of anti semitism on the net, more than teaching the dog what was essentially give me the paw I hope his girlfriend dumped him

[Mystic Mock]

It made me laugh personally.:laugh:

Seriously why has telling a joke become a crime?

[bots]

he put the video online so he could say gas the jews, that's pretty obvious. The dog is a prop

[Tom4784]

it's a case of overzealous policing that won't make it to prosecution because it isn't really hate speech.

Hate speech convictions should be reserved for people who endorse and preach violence againsts groups of people. It shouldn't be used to punish views we find difficult to stomach because society will do that anyway. He'll lose his job, will probably find it difficult to find specialised work for years to come and it's going to have an effect on his relationships with other people, Society will punish him enough.

This man's ruined his life and he deserves it but it's not a police matter.

[Cherie]

he put the video online so he could say gas the jews, that's pretty obvious. The dog is a prop

Exactly

[Kizzy]

The dog is cleverer than him haha!

[TomC]

It's gross, but idg why this warrants arrest...

[Crimson Dynamo]

It has now emerged that Meechan was arrested on April 28 at his house in Coatbridge, Lanarkshire. He was subsequently released pending further investigations.

Detective Inspector David Cockburn of Lanarkshire CID said: “This clip was shared online and has been viewed almost one million times.

“I would ask anyone who has had the misfortune to have viewed it to think about the pain and hurt the narrative has caused a minority of people in our community.

“The clip is deeply offensive and no reasonable person can possibly find the content acceptable in today’s society.

“This arrest should serve as a warning to anyone posting such material online, or in any other capacity, that such views will not be tolerated.”

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/09/nazi-pug-man-arrested-after-teaching-girlfriends-dog-to-perform/

[Liberty4eva]

Do you have a Link for the Story?

I have something better than the story. Here is an interview of the guy who was arrested.

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[Ninastar]

I cringed the whole video, kind of stupid to put a video up of you saying 'gas the jews' about 50 times... even if it wasnt to be nasty

i only let out a giggle when he whispered 'Jews' and the dog lifted its head up

[Cherie]

I have something better than the story. Here is an interview of the guy who was arrested.

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What an annoying interviewer :umm2: I think he kinda missed the point as well, I wonder how he would have taken it if the guy was chanting "fly planes into buildings" over and over, haven't the Americans arrested people for joking about in airports about bombs

[Cherie]

It has now emerged that Meechan was arrested on April 28 at his house in Coatbridge, Lanarkshire. He was subsequently released pending further investigations.

Detective Inspector David Cockburn of Lanarkshire CID said: “This clip was shared online and has been viewed almost one million times.

“I would ask anyone who has had the misfortune to have viewed it to think about the pain and hurt the narrative has caused a minority of people in our community.

“The clip is deeply offensive and no reasonable person can possibly find the content acceptable in today’s society.

“This arrest should serve as a warning to anyone posting such material online, or in any other capacity, that such views will not be tolerated.”

:clap1:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/09/nazi-pug-man-arrested-after-teaching-girlfriends-dog-to-perform/


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[Liberty4eva]

What an annoying interviewer :umm2: I think he kinda missed the point as well, I wonder how he would have taken it if the guy was chanting "fly planes into buildings" over and over, haven't the Americans arrested people for joking about in airports about bombs

If you joke about that kind of thing at an airport I think there is a real possibility that you may be arrested but this is a different subject. Here a man is for comedy purposes teaching his dog to appear as a Nazi in the comforts of his own home and posts the video on an American website. It should be obvious to the most dim-witted person that he clearly is not advocating violence and even makes a point to say he is not a racist.

Popular speech does not need protection. Freedom of Speech is there to protect UNPOPULAR speech. Cherie, you can argue that this might hurt someone's feelings but I doubt you could argue that this will likely lead to violence.

[Kizzy]

What an annoying interviewer :umm2: I think he kinda missed the point as well, I wonder how he would have taken it if the guy was chanting "fly planes into buildings" over and over, haven't the Americans arrested people for joking about in airports about bombs

You would be arrested here for that too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you joke about that kind of thing at an airport I think there is a real possibility that you may be arrested but this is a different subject. Here a man is for comedy purposes teaching his dog to appear as a Nazi in the comforts of his own home and posts the video on an American website. It should be obvious to the most dim-witted person that he clearly is not advocating violence and even makes a point to say he is not a racist.

Popular speech does not need protection. Freedom of Speech is there to protect UNPOPULAR speech. Cherie, you can argue that this might hurt someone's feelings but I doubt you could argue that this will likely lead to violence.

its not unpopular it is hate speech pretending to be some pathetic joke

[Beso]

the dog needs a fake moustache.

[Liberty4eva]

its not unpopular it is hate speech pretending to be some pathetic joke

Man, you really need to get a sense of humor. This is something that happened over 70 years ago. It is a joke but I really doubt there is anything I can say to make you see how daft you are.

[Shaun]

I think he likes attention and he's got it.

[bots]

Man, you really need to get a sense of humor. This is something that happened over 70 years ago. It is a joke but I really doubt there is anything I can say to make you see how daft you are.

i've been saying for years that LT needs to get a sense of humour :idc:

[Suze]

The bloke's a nobhead and maybe should be arrested for that alone.

Why doesn't you tube take more responsibility though and vet their youtubers more closely?

[Beso]

Man, you really need to get a sense of humor. This is something that happened over 70 years ago. It is a joke but I really doubt there is anything I can say to make you see how daft you are.

you found that funny. :hehe:

[Cherie]

i've been saying for years that LT needs to get a sense of humour :idc:


Amen sister


The bloke's a nobhead and maybe should be arrested for that alone.

Why doesn't you tube take more responsibility though and vet their youtubers more closely?

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[Livia]

Meh. I didn't find it all that funny but not because of the gazdijuse. It just wasn't a very funny video... :shrug:

It's sure as **** not a hate crime though - no moreso than countless episodes of South Park / Family Guy etc. Again it's up to the viewer whether or not they find it funny, BUT you don't see the creators being arrested for "hate crimes".

Or is there a difference when the content is "amateur"?

Don't see why there should be.



One of the South Park originators, Matt Stone, is a Jew.

Two of the Family Guy originators, Mike Henry and Alex Borstein, are both Jews.

Jews can poke fun at themselves... it's different when non-Jews do it. A bit like black people using the N word I suppose.

Nice to know that you yourself are not offended by this anti-Semitic moron and his poor dog. I personally find it both offensive and disturbing.

[Beso]

One of the South Park originators, Matt Stone, is a Jew.

Two of the Family Guy originators, Mike Henry and Alex Borstein, are both Jews.

Jews can poke fun at themselves... it's different when non-Jews do it. A bit like black people using the N word I suppose.

Nice to know that you yourself are not offended by this anti-Semitic moron and his poor dog. I personally find it both offensive and disturbing.

would it be ok if the idiot was Jewish?

[arista]

"What an annoying interviewer"


He is the One who went on CNN getting Peirs Morgan sacked
over the Gun Laws Battle
http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2013/12/piers-morgan-alex-jones-sg.jpg

[Kizzy]

Wouldn't it be worse if he was Jewish? effectively he is just some shock jock comedian who's just speaking from a place of pure ignorance.
I do not agree with the suggestion offensive terms can or should be 'reclaimed' if a term is offensive gust let it go.

[Mystic Mock]

The bloke's a nobhead and maybe should be arrested for that alone.

Why doesn't you tube take more responsibility though and vet their youtubers more closely?

Because they maybe (and correctly so) think that telling a joke isn't something that someone should be getting into trouble for?

[Livia]

would it be ok if the idiot was Jewish?

If he was Jewish the intent would be different. And maybe it'd actually be funny! Currently it's about as funny as a white man calling a black man a n*****.

[Niamh.]

If he was Jewish the intent would be different. And maybe it'd actually be funny! Currently it's about as funny as a white man calling a black man a n*****.

I agree with that, I never quite understood why people cared so much that they weren't allowed to mock another group if that group did it to themselves?

[Kizzy]

If a Jewish person taught their dog to respond happily to 'do you want to gas the Jews' it would be funny?
I don't get Jewish humour.

[Niamh.]

If a Jewish person taught their dog to respond happily to 'do you want to gas the Jews' it would be funny?
I don't get Jewish humour.

A Jewish person hasn't done that though so it's not actually an example of Jewish humour, is it?

[user104658]

One of the South Park originators, Matt Stone, is a Jew.

Two of the Family Guy originators, Mike Henry and Alex Borstein, are both Jews.

Jews can poke fun at themselves... it's different when non-Jews do it. A bit like black people using the N word I suppose.

Nice to know that you yourself are not offended by this anti-Semitic moron and his poor dog. I personally find it both offensive and disturbing.
Whilst this is true, and I've read interviews with them in the past discussing comedy that make a lot of sense (the intent being to mock neo-nazis and take away the power in it, not to mock Jewish people)... I do then have to wonder, why is it also OK for these shows to do the same with every race? They also make light of black people (and things like slavery, which saw horrors on par with the Holocaust), Chinese people, starving kids in Africa... Etc... And they are none of those things?

Is it simply OK for any minority to mock any other minority? Or is it that Jews / the Holocaust are specifically off limits to anyone but Jews?

Regardless; my point was never that it isn't offensive to some people and people have every right to be offended by it. My point is only that some people finding a thing offensive, does not mean it should be banned / illegal etc.

No matter the level of poor taste.

It isn't legitimately inciting violence, it's borne of ignorance at worst, not hatred. If it was a video of a guy seriously suggesting that everyone should go out and attack Jewish people then by all means arrest him. But it's not. It's just an insensitive, not-very-funny joke that's fallen flat. Really I'm just not a fan of censorship, full stop.

[Crimson Dynamo]

the guy in the video interviewing trying to equate John Clees and Basil Fawlty..

:facepalm:

[arista]

the guy in the video interviewing trying to equate John Cleese and Basil Fawlty..

:facepalm:



Yes but thats not the the Same
it was a bang on his head
and German Guests,
Plus back then
it was Funny More.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/08/article-2012389-0011A3A000000258-85_468x333.jpg

[Jamie89]

If he was Jewish the intent would be different. And maybe it'd actually be funny! Currently it's about as funny as a white man calling a black man a n*****.

I agree with this. For me (and this is probably going to sound really facetious and I don't mean it to) but I try and sort of equate things like this with gay things because that's the only experience I have of being in a minority or being part of a group that sometimes faces attack. So with this video, if say a gay person had taught their dog to mince around every time the owner yelled 'fagot' or something, I'd probably think it was the funniest thing I'd ever seen :laugh: BUT if it was a straight person who did it, I'd probably feel much more uncomfortable about it, and maybe feel like they were being derogatory, or think there might be undertones of homophobia, or just generally that they don't have the right to do that. The difference is that they're using a word, or a group's experiences without being able to fully appreciate the feelings of the people who will be affected the most by it. So something about it just kind of stings a bit. When you know that the person doing it does understand, then it takes all that away and you can appreciate the humour in what they're doing. That being said though, I still don't think that what he's done should be considered a criminal offense.

[bots]

Whilst this is true, and I've read interviews with them in the past discussing comedy that make a lot of sense (the intent being to mock neo-nazis and take away the power in it, not to mock Jewish people)... I do then have to wonder, why is it also OK for these shows to do the same with every race? They also make light of black people (and things like slavery, which saw horrors on par with the Holocaust), Chinese people, starving kids in Africa... Etc... And they are none of those things?

Is it simply OK for any minority to mock any other minority? Or is it that Jews / the Holocaust are specifically off limits to anyone but Jews?

Regardless; my point was never that it isn't offensive to some people and people have every right to be offended by it. My point is only that some people finding a thing offensive, does not mean it should be banned / illegal etc.

No matter the level of poor taste.

It isn't legitimately inciting violence, it's borne of ignorance at worst, not hatred. If it was a video of a guy seriously suggesting that everyone should go out and attack Jewish people then by all means arrest him. But it's not. It's just an insensitive, not-very-funny joke that's fallen flat. Really I'm just not a fan of censorship, full stop.

It always boils down to intent. Anyone that believes the guy posted that video on youtube for a prank at his girlfriend is kidding themselves. He was trying to say something controversial repeatedly thinking he could get away with it by featuring the dog.

If you want to play a prank, does it really need to incorporate hate for a group? If the objective is humour, does the audience (youtube not his girlfriend) not need to see it as funny?

The likes of Southpark have always tackled issues leaving the audience in no doubt what its position is on the subject, thats the big difference.

[Northern Monkey]

I mean it was meant as comedy.Was it funny?Not to me.It was a pathetic attempt at being funny.However comedy these days has gone right down the toilet due to comedians being **** scared to say anything offensive.I think freedom of speech is slowly being eroded.There are student campuses now with so called 'safe spaces' where one ideology(left wing) can't be challenged incase it 'triggers' somebody into getting all emotional.I believe we should all be fair game and that none of us has the right to not be offended.Offense is not given it is how something is taken that dictates offensiveness.This idiot clearly was not calling for Jews to be gassed,He is just an idiot thinking he was being funny.It's not the same as the muslim speakers calling for "death to non believers" who actually intend to call for what they are preaching.Comedy and art should be free even if we are offended.We can challenge things we are offended by with debate not shut it down and certainly not arrest people.

[Livia]

How about if he was teaching his dog to respond to "gas the Syrian refugees" or "hang black people from trees" I wonder whether people would be defending his right to do this? And yes, I do think charges should be brought against him. People have got to learn that freedom of speech doesn't cover you for being a racist and you cannot say anything you like on the Internet.

[Livia]

............Is it simply OK for any minority to mock any other minority? Or is it that Jews / the Holocaust are specifically off limits to anyone but Jews?



Yes... In much the same way no one can use the "N" word but black people.

[Tom4784]

How about if he was teaching his dog to respond to "gas the Syrian refugees" or "hang black people from trees" I wonder whether people would be defending his right to do this? And yes, I do think charges should be brought against him. People have got to learn that freedom of speech doesn't cover you for being a racist and you cannot say anything you like on the Internet.

I'd consider it a terrible joke done in awful taste. I believe people should be allowed to be as awful as they want in terms of opinions. If someone wants to be racist or homophobic or whatever, let them. Let them bare the consequences when it costs them their careers and ruins their live. It's a civil and societal issue, not a police one.

I just don't think it's a police matter unless it actually incites violence and puts someone at risk.

[Livia]

I'm gratified that most people think it was in appalling taste even if we don't all agree with the legal consequences.

[Northern Monkey]

How about if he was teaching his dog to respond to "gas the Syrian refugees" or "hang black people from trees" I wonder whether people would be defending his right to do this? And yes, I do think charges should be brought against him. People have got to learn that freedom of speech doesn't cover you for being a racist and you cannot say anything you like on the Internet.

There have been many racist comedians/comedies though and nobody was arrested for that.I've heard black comedians call white people 'crackers' many many times and generalise them as a group,That is racism too.It was comedy,Tasteless comedy yes but i think banning speech veers dangerously into Saudi Arabian-esque dictatorship territory.Should John Cleese be arrested?Or Prince Harry?

[user104658]

It always boils down to intent. Anyone that believes the guy posted that video on youtube for a prank at his girlfriend is kidding themselves. He was trying to say something controversial repeatedly thinking he could get away with it by featuring the dog.

The girlfriend thing was obvious BS but I still very much doubt he is an actual racist or Nazi, or that he has any ill will towards Jewish people. I think he intended it to be controversial and therefore funny, in a sort of "funny Internet stuff" way, but he was naive about how it would be received.

If the objective is humour, does the audience (youtube not his girlfriend) not need to see it as funny?

Well you'd think so but then how do you explain Catherine Tate? She had a show for YEARS and it made me want to die. Or that BBC sitcom, "Miranda". I think it has the objective of humour but all its managed to do is expose the deepest depths of existential despair that the human race has ever known.

And also, Jimmy Carr :umm2:

[user104658]

Yes... In much the same way no one can use the "N" word but black people.
But South Park uses the "N word" frequently and neither the creators, nor any of the current cast, are black?

E.g Randy Marsh on a game show with the letters "N_ggers" and the clue "people who annoy you" (the right answer being "Naggers", heh)... And he gleefully shouts out the "N word".

...

[Livia]

There have been many racist comedians/comedies though and nobody was arrested for that.I've heard black comedians call white people 'crackers' many many times and generalise them as a group,That is racism too.It was comedy,Tasteless comedy yes but i think banning speech veers dangerously into Saudi Arabian-esque dictatorship territory.Should John Cleese be arrested?Or Prince Harry?


This man is not a comedian. He doesn't have a body of work to refer to that would show what kind of comedian he is. This man is some random posting on YouTube.

I can laugh at myself and my heritage. I laugh at Cleese, I rolled my eyes at Harry... I take some shtick on the forum from people that's given in friendly jest and taken as such. This wasn't meant like that in my opinion and it is not okay.

[user104658]

There have been many racist comedians/comedies though and nobody was arrested for that.I've heard black comedians call white people 'crackers' many many times and generalise them as a group,That is racism too.It was comedy,Tasteless comedy yes but i think banning speech veers dangerously into Saudi Arabian-esque dictatorship territory.Should John Cleese be arrested?Or Prince Harry?
Well, to prove the point, how many people on this forum were quick to jump to the defense of Jim Davidson or that other "funny racist" old man a couple of years ago on CBB? The one who said something about "jungle beats". Can't remember his name.

Anyway, plenty of people were very quick to excuse that, including some people who appear to have a problem with this? :shrug:

[Niamh.]

Well, to prove the point, how many people on this forum were quick to jump to the defense of Jim Davidson or that other "funny racist" old man a couple of years ago on CBB? The one who said something about "jungle beats". Can't remember his name.

Anyway, plenty of people were very quick to excuse that, including some people who appear to have a problem with this? :shrug:

Ken whats his name who was Reg Holdsworth?

[Livia]

But South Park uses the "N word" frequently and neither the creators, nor any of the current cast, are black?

E.g Randy Marsh on a game show with the letters "N_ggers" and the clue "people who annoy you" (the right answer being "Naggers", heh)... And he gleefully shouts out the "N word".

...

I have only ever heard the N word uttered on South Park by the Chef. Who is black. Is it offensive? Not particularly to me, but it might be to a black person, you'd have to ask them

In my opinion the Randy Marsh thing is quite mild but again, you'd have to ask a black person if they thought it was offensive.

Neither of these things make light of six million people being murdered.

My Dad used to laugh at Alf Garnet, not because he thought being a racist was clever and funny, but because Warren Mitchell (Jew, incidentally...) was always shown to be the bigot he was... and it was funny. This issue isn't like that. Not at all. And as a Jew I am offended and no amount of explanation from a non-Jew, and the fact that some non-Jews find it acceptable will convince me otherwise.

[Northern Monkey]

This man is not a comedian. He doesn't have a body of work to refer to that would show what kind of comedian he is. This man is some random posting on YouTube.

I can laugh at myself and my heritage. I laugh at Cleese, I rolled my eyes at Harry... I take some shtick on the forum from people that's given in friendly jest and taken as such. This wasn't meant like that in my opinion and it is not okay.

And i agree that he was unfunny and can see how you would be offended.However i don't think he was actually inciting any harm to be done to anyone.It was in poor taste but i don't think we should be arresting people for their poor attempts at humour.

[Livia]

And i agree that he was unfunny and can see how you would be offended.However i don't think he was actually inciting any harm to be done to anyone.It was in poor taste but i don't think we should be arresting people for their poor attempts at humour.

I think it's sad that a line has to be drawn, frankly.

[Beso]

A Jewish person hasn't done that though so it's not actually an example of Jewish humour, is it?

south park etc do it all the time and how do we know this bloke isn't?

[Niamh.]

south park etc do it all the time and how do we know this bloke isn't?

I said a jewish person hasn't done this :

"If a Jewish person taught their dog to respond happily to 'do you want to gas the Jews' it would be funny?"

Not any episode of South Park I've ever seen :laugh:

[Beso]

I said a jewish person hasn't done this :

"If a Jewish person taught their dog to respond happily to 'do you want to gas the Jews' it would be funny?"

Not any episode of South Park I've ever seen :laugh:

how do you know one hasn't, for all we know this bloke may be jewish.:shocked:

[Niamh.]

how do you know one hasn't, for all we know this bloke may be jewish.:shocked:

I'm sure his first line of defence would have been "But I am Jewish myself" if he were :laugh:

[Kizzy]

A Jewish person hasn't done that though so it's not actually an example of Jewish humour, is it?

Well no but the hypothetical is that had it been said by a Jewish person there is the possibility that it would be funny. I don't know how but that's what was suggested.

[Beso]

Well no but the hypothetical is that had it been said by a Jewish person there is the possibility that it would be funny. I don't know how but that's what was suggested.

:thumbs::thumbs:



just last week someone suggested livia should have sniffed something out and it was takein jest. what if i took offence though. or what if somene else had been as quick witted that livia didn't feel as comfortable with!

[DemolitionRed]

I think it was offensive.
I didn't think pugs were like that :bawling:

[Kizzy]

I think it was offensive.
I didn't think pugs were like that :bawling:

:joker::joker: now that's comedy!

[Livia]

:thumbs::thumbs:



just last week someone suggested livia should have sniffed something out and it was takein jest. what if i took offence though. or what if somene else had been as quick witted that livia didn't feel as comfortable with!

The person who said that was a friend... LT maybe, or TS? Not a total stranger or someone with whom I clearly clash. It's not the same thing at all.

[joeysteele]

I am not Jewish but being quite frank about this, I find any 'supposed' humour pertaining to Hitler or the Nazis,unacceptable and should be offensive,no matter where or who it comes from.

I find everything about Hitler and the nazis and even the very word nazi appalling and a disgrace to mankind for the despicable crimes they carried out on millions..

If he has got into bother on this, then good, in my view.

[user104658]

The person who said that was a friend... LT maybe, or TS?


:blush2: awwh

It was me actually :hehe:

[Kizzy]

:blush2: awwh

It was me actually :hehe:

If you'd said it to me I'd be annoyed, I don't choose who I'm offended by :idc:

[Ninastar]

There's a difference between a friend having a joke and someone having a dig, though...

[Johnnyuk123]

The N word i find totally offensive as others on here have already stated and to this day i still find it offensive BUT for me it is even more offensive to find rap artists still using this term that they themselves find offensive. It should not be used by anyone. Yet they continue to include this term to sell records.:shrug:

[Kizzy]

There's a difference between a friend having a joke and someone having a dig, though...

And how do you separate the two, if I like you it's a joke and if I don't it's a dig?

[Ninastar]

Pretty much

[Kizzy]

That's rather duplicitous :/

[bots]

That's rather duplicitous :/

how is it duplicitous, a friend can tease you having built up a relationship including trust and understanding. A stranger can't

[Niamh.]

And how do you separate the two, if I like you it's a joke and if I don't it's a dig?



Obviously. . .

[Kizzy]

Obviously. . .

Why obviously? if it was quoting you then maybe but if it was a stranger there's no reason to suspect they are having a dig is there?... that person may themselves be Jewish/black/Muslim.

[Ammi]

..I don't understand any of the comparisons being used because this isn't anything like...'oh, funny Hitler walk', 'Don't mention the Germans' etc..it's very specific in referring to a method of how Jewish POW were killed in concentration camps..'gas the jews'...so it would be ignorance in the extreme at best for him to think there could ever be anything 'jokey' about it and, oh how it was meant to make people laugh...at worst, it's racist and hate-filled in it's content...(I'm not sure what the thing with TS was/is but I'm guessing by the 'sniffed out', he was joking about a Jewish stereotype type thing with Liv, which is completely different to the killing of Jews in the gas chambers ...and it would have been obvious of his jokes content as well/as bad as his jokes are, they are quite obvious...)...


...I don't know if it's a criminal offence as such but I do tend to agree with TS..I'm not a huge fan of 'taboo' and banning, so should have been allowed on YouTube...we can only know what under the surface holds if it's allowed it's airing, it's the only way it then can be addressed....so freedom of speech, yes and then the freedom of the law to act on that, if it's appropriate to do so and the freedom of reaction of the public to that free speech as well....

[user104658]

I'm not sure what the thing with TS was/is but I'm guessing by the 'sniffed out', he was joking about a Jewish stereotype type thing with Liv, which is completely different to the killing of Jews in the gas chambers ...and it would have been obvious of his jokes content as well/as bad as his jokes are, they are quite obvious...


:omgno:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its fairly simple, is it an offence yes or no. If it is then arrest and charge him. Respect the law of the land

[joeysteele]

Well okay, I think it is clear I don't get humour on here a lot of the time,that is how I am.

I found the video offensive because of the continued sort of programming of the Dog and also the repeated content of the wording which I found unnecessary.
All very well to want to annoy someone else,in this case his girlfriend but keep it only between the 2 of them or close friends/family, not allow it to get into the public domain anywhere.

He for sure in my view, had a prepared negative Hitler/Nazi theme for this.

Is it criminal,maybe not,however anything that is or could be offensive to groups of others and is identifiable to the person who made it, may well be.
Really sick was how I found this video myself.

However, this is why from another thread I said this on,I do think there needs to be a new and full clarification of what is acceptable in the public domain of social media or anywhere else as to what would be termed racism or anti semitic content.
People may genuinely be doing things as a joke but jokes and pranks can go wrong and can even be used to promote more sinister thinking too.

I think it right the Police thought this worth a look at.
Wanting to annoy his girlfriend for whatever reason I can understand,however the full content of this video and the more it went on with the repeated theme would send alarm bells ringing for me that this 'could' have been far deeper than just being a joke.

[Jamie89]

Wanting to annoy his girlfriend for whatever reason I can understand,however the full content of this video and the more it went on with the repeated theme would send alarm bells ringing for me that this 'could' have been far deeper than just being a joke.

Great post Joey. That last part made me think further... because the whole excuse of wanting to annoy his girlfriend also begs the question... why video it and post it on youtube? This wasn't just about him wanting to train the dog to annoy his girlfriend, he wanted the world to laugh along with him at how funny it is to trivialize the events of the holocaust. Regardless of if he's racist (not that it's unimportant, I just don't know if he is or not), he is insanely ignorant. (As a side note, let's say he HAD made this with the sole intent of annoying his girlfriend... if that was me and I came home to find my partner had trained our dog to do a nazi salute, and he was going round the house shouting 'gas the Jews' thinking it was funny, I wouldn't find it 'annoying', I'd be absolutely mortified! So even if his excuse is completely genuine, it's still kind of shocking to think that him and his girlfriend find it totally acceptable and funny, even in a private setting.) And it's not about being overly PC, South Park's been mentioned a couple of times and that's one of my all time favourite shows, but there's context behind their shows when they deal with things like this. And 'context' is also why it's different when Jews or other minorities make self-referential jokes. But to me, this isn't comparable because the only context he's offered is "I want to annoy my girlfriend", which doesn't fly for me for the reasons I mentioned.

[user104658]

Its fairly simple, is it an offence yes or no. If it is then arrest and charge him. Respect the law of the land

He is not deliberately encouraging hatred, discrimination or violence so no, it isn't an offence, which is why he's been released without charge.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is not deliberately encouraging hatred, discrimination or violence so no, it isn't an offence, which is why he's been released without charge.

Hopefully he will have learned his lesson and may now try and read a bit more about the subject so that he does not make a total tit out of himself again.

[user104658]

The girlfriend thing is an excuse and probably not even true, but that doesn't mean his reasons were sinister. Just naive, insensitive and... primitive, I guess? He was clearly going for "controversial humour" like, say, Frankie Boyle, with the problem being that it wasn't a very clever attempt at controversial humour. I'm a fan of controversial humour and this video just wasn't funny... not because it was offensive to me or upset me in any way... just because it straight up WASN'T funny. It was basic, longwinded and boring. I guess that's where the problem lies? When you use something controversial in an attempt at dark humour, and it isn't actually FUNNY at all, then all you're left with is the words themselves and their very real associations.

So yeah, he just wanted to post something controversial in an attempt at being funny and gaining some "internet fame", and being clearly unimaginative, he thought "Hmmm what's controversial? Nazis. I'll say something about Nazis and Jews derp lolol". It's just the first thing he thought of. On another day he might have thought of a different "generic controversial topic" and had the dog respond to that. I don't think he really gave that part much thought at all.

Ironically, it wouldn't have gained anything like the traction or notoriety that it did if it had just been left alone as another crappy YouTube video. The police and press attention has resulted in the original youtube video getting nearly 2 million jews :shrug:

[user104658]

Hopefully he will have learned his lesson and may now try and read a bit more about the subject so that he does not make a total tit out of himself again.

He'll either try to ride the high and make more disastrously unfunny videos, or shy away from ever making another one. Either way if you watch the interview with him... he has clearly gotten himself totally out of his depth :hehe:

[MTVN]

I suspect this man is a member of the Labour party

[billy123]

I suspect this man is a member of the Labour party
That is possibly one of your worst attempts at trolling ever. 1/10 (the 1 was just for effort and attempted derailment of thread)

[bots]

The girlfriend thing is an excuse and probably not even true, but that doesn't mean his reasons were sinister. Just naive, insensitive and... primitive, I guess? He was clearly going for "controversial humour" like, say, Frankie Boyle, with the problem being that it wasn't a very clever attempt at controversial humour. I'm a fan of controversial humour and this video just wasn't funny... not because it was offensive to me or upset me in any way... just because it straight up WASN'T funny. It was basic, longwinded and boring. I guess that's where the problem lies? When you use something controversial in an attempt at dark humour, and it isn't actually FUNNY at all, then all you're left with is the words themselves and their very real associations.

So yeah, he just wanted to post something controversial in an attempt at being funny and gaining some "internet fame", and being clearly unimaginative, he thought "Hmmm what's controversial? Nazis. I'll say something about Nazis and Jews derp lolol". It's just the first thing he thought of. On another day he might have thought of a different "generic controversial topic" and had the dog respond to that. I don't think he really gave that part much thought at all.

Ironically, it wouldn't have gained anything like the traction or notoriety that it did if it had just been left alone as another crappy YouTube video. The police and press attention has resulted in the original youtube video getting nearly 2 million jews :shrug:

:joker::joker: you are awful ....

[joeysteele]

I suspect this man is a member of the Labour party

Why would he be a member of 'only' the Labour party please.
I am a member and for sure would not want him alongside me.

[Northern Monkey]

Why would he be a member of 'only' the Labour party please.
I am a member and for sure would not want him alongside me.

I think it was a joke regarding Labours current anti-semetism crisis:laugh:

[Cherie]

I suspect this man is a member of the Labour party

:joker:

[joeysteele]

I think it was a joke regarding Labours current anti-semetism crisis:laugh:

Well its as bad as the one in the video on this thread then in my view.

Maybe if all other parties were really scrutinised as well it would likely, and in my view certainly, not be only the Labour party that has a minority of these people in them.

Also at least the Labour party is investigating same too.

Coming on here lately dismays and annoys me at times it really does.

[Northern Monkey]

Well its as bad as the one in the video on this thread then in my view.

Maybe if all other parties were really scrutinised as well it would likely, and in my view certainly, not be only the Labour party that has a minority of these people in them.

Also at least the Labour party is investigating same too.

Coming on here lately dismays and annoys me at times it really does.

Yep i'm sure all parties have unsavoury characters in them.Labour is just the party under scrutiny right now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder what the reaction would have been if his trigger word was "suffocate liverpool children at Hillsborough"

Now obviously I am using this as a very unsavoury example so apologies if that is upsetting to anyone affected.

But I would imagine the ****storm would have been worse?

[Livia]

I suspect this man is a member of the Labour party

Made me LOL...

[Kizzy]

No it would have been equally twatty, this isn't tragedy/genocide top trumps LT.

[joeysteele]

Yep i'm sure all parties have unsavoury characters in them.Labour is just the party under scrutiny right now.

They for sure do.

[user104658]

this isn't tragedy/genocide top trumps

Damnit. I love that game :fist:

[Livia]

LT made a perfectly valid analogy. Everyone's making noise about this being in poor taste but have made a wide range of excuses for this person. I'm convinced many here would be more upset if it was a different group being targeted... hence LT's analogy. Jews are a soft target even now... be it because some people don't like Jews or that they just don't understand the depth and breadth of the problem.

[Niamh.]

LT made a perfectly valid analogy. Everyone's making noise about this being in poor taste but have made a wide range of excuses for this person. I'm convinced many here would be more upset if it was a different group being targeted... hence LT's analogy. Jews are a soft target even now... be it because some people don't like Jews or that they just don't understand the depth and breadth of the problem.

I agree with that, it's funny how some "groups" are allowed to be offended but others are told get over it.

[bots]

LT made a perfectly valid analogy. Everyone's making noise about this being in poor taste but have made a wide range of excuses for this person. I'm convinced many here would be more upset if it was a different group being targeted... hence LT's analogy. Jews are a soft target even now... be it because some people don't like Jews or that they just don't understand the depth and breadth of the problem.

Yes he did make a valid analogy. Its cool at the moment to support certain elements, like the labour party supporting middle eastern terrorists and this has clouded their judgement.

[user104658]

I agree with that, it's funny how some "groups" are allowed to be offended but others are told get over it.

Are they? I personally find "people taking offense" pretty redundant across the board... but then... I also fully appreciate people's right to be offended, whilst not caring whether or not people "get over it". ... I just hope to god we don't start going down a route where "causing offense" and "annoying people" become criminalised :facepalm:.

Deliberately inciting true hatred / discrimination or encouraging violence should always be considered criminal. Anything else? No. It's a social issue.

[Niamh.]

Are they? I personally find "people taking offense" pretty redundant across the board... but then... I also fully appreciate people's right to be offended, whilst not caring whether or not people "get over it". ... I just hope to god we don't start going down a route where "causing offense" and "annoying people" become criminalised :facepalm:.

Deliberately inciting true hatred / discrimination or encouraging violence should always be considered criminal. Anything else? No. It's a social issue.

It's easy to say that when I think you're probably part of a group who wasn't treated badly in the past or ever discriminated against though :hee:

[Kizzy]

Who thinks it's ok to say that, Have I missed something?
From what I've seen most think it abhorrent, so what's the problem, I could spin it around and say if it were 'drown the Muslims' less people would be arsed but that's pure speculation too.

[user104658]

It's easy to say that when I think you're probably part of a group who wasn't treated badly in the past or ever discriminated against though :hee:
Maybe, but I know people both male and female of various races and sexual orientations who feel the same :shrug:. I don't think it's a common mindset across the board, really. People love "getting offended about stuff" :joker:. Middle class white people are some of the worst for it tbh.

[Niamh.]

Maybe, but I know people both male and female of various races and sexual orientations who feel the same :shrug:. I don't think it's a common mindset across the board, really. People love "getting offended about stuff" :joker:. Middle class white people are some of the worst for it tbh.

Hearsay! :hee:

I'm not talking about "middle class white people" being offended by stuff that isn't anything about or to do with them. I'm not personally offended by this because I'm not Jewish but i can appreciate why a Jewish person would be

[Northern Monkey]

Are they? I personally find "people taking offense" pretty redundant across the board... but then... I also fully appreciate people's right to be offended, whilst not caring whether or not people "get over it". ... I just hope to god we don't start going down a route where "causing offense" and "annoying people" become criminalised :facepalm:.

Deliberately inciting true hatred / discrimination or encouraging violence should always be considered criminal. Anything else? No. It's a social issue.

Yeah this is my view exactly.If i offend a massive bloke who's built like a brick ****house then i expect the consequences of him possibly breaking my jaw.However it is my right to offend him with speech if i choose to.

This lad who did this crappy video should expect to get crucified in the comments section of his vid and by anyone he sees in real life who sees it and takes offence/thinks its **** or whatever.....But not arrested.
Just as a comedian making racist jokes to a crowd of black people should expect to get at the very minimum heckled off stage and maybe bottled.He reaped what he had sowed.

[Livia]

Why is this man being compared to "comedians"?

And regarding people being offended... I'm so sorry if people decide this isn't worth getting offended about but with respect, none of you are in a position to say whether a Jewish person should or should not be offended. You don't get to decide.

[Kizzy]

Who has said it isn't worth getting offended about?..

[Livia]

Read the thread, Kizzy. Niamh replied in much the same vein as my own post, so I know I'm not seeing things.

[joeysteele]

I would say the bulk of all on this thread are against the content of the video and I found it offensive because of my intense dislike, using the word dislike rather than another, of Hitler,the nazis and all they stood for and did too.

I actually myself also have Jewish friends,good friends too, who I would look out for and defend when needed,I know they would be offended at that video.

No one needs to be only Jewish to be offended at that video at all, that is a ridiculous thing to say too.
The nazis were cruel to homosexuals and even gypsies almost as bad as they were to the Jewish people.
Their list of so called likely undesirables was probably endless.

Which is why those who at any time seemingly either praise or belittle what the Nazis did and stood for,or those who even set about calling other people nazis, should be treated with the same contempt in my view.

[Niamh.]

I would say the bulk of all on this thread are against the content of the video and I found it offensive because of my intense dislike, using the word dislike rather than another, of Hitler,the nazis and all they stood for and did too.

I actually myself also have Jewish friends,good friends too, who I would look out for and defend when needed,I know they would be offended at that video.

No one needs to be only Jewish to be offended at that video at all, that is a ridiculous thing to say too.
The nazis were cruel to homosexuals and even gypsies almost as bad as they were to the Jewish people.
Their list of so called likely undesirables was probably endless.

Which is why those who at any time seemingly either praise or belittle what the Nazis did and stood for,or those who even set about calling other people nazis, should be treated with the same contempt in my view.

In regards to my comments on it, I was just talking personally, I'm not Jewish and am not personally offended by it but can absolutely see how it could be personally offensive to, in particular Jewish people

[joeysteele]

In regards to my comments on it, I was just talking personally, I'm not Jewish and am not personally offended by it but can absolutely see how it could be personally offensive to, in particular Jewish people

I should have clarified I was not talking about anyone on here, very sadly for me, a good number and even more sadly some of my friends even off here, hold the view that only Jewish communities can and should be the only ones offended by nazi terminology or those making sick humour out of Hitler or the Nazis.
They even brand out the term nazi to some others like confetti calling it humour.

That annoys me as all I have heard and read of Hitler and the Nazis leaves me with possibly,(until IS came into being), the only thing and person I would say I really hated personally.
Namely Hitler and the Nazis.

Personally for me, just my view, I cannot see how anyone cannot be affected by all Hitler and the Nazis stood for and did.
My Grandfather who fought in the 2nd world war,was heavily affected by the sight and horrors he came across in the German camps once the Allies got to them.
He described really brave and strong Soldiers with him being physically sick and affected by, and haunted by, for the rest of their lives,the unfolding endless horrors they saw for the rest of their lives at what they came across as to Nazi crimes and atrocities.

[lostalex]

Im guessing that if he was a jew and members of his family had been murdered in the most horrific manner he would not think this was such a massive hoot

:idc:
actually plenty of jews tell holocaust jokes.. newsflash, actually jews have a pretty good sense of humor!

don't judge them all based on billy crystal.

[Alf]

He has been convicted, will be sentenced in April.

Where will it end? are stand-up comedians next? or are you next?


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/youtube-comedian-count-dankula-guilty-hate-speech-nazi-dog-video-145920581.html

[MTVN]

That is possibly one of your worst attempts at trolling ever. 1/10 (the 1 was just for effort and attempted derailment of thread)

Blimey I got told here

[kirklancaster]

I thought he kept asking the dog if it wanted a glass of juice.
He may thnk he isn't racist by the way...but I found him to be an offensive dickhead.

^ This.

[Alf]

it's a case of overzealous policing that won't make it to prosecution because it isn't really hate speech.

Hate speech convictions should be reserved for people who endorse and preach violence againsts groups of people. It shouldn't be used to punish views we find difficult to stomach because society will do that anyway. He'll lose his job, will probably find it difficult to find specialised work for years to come and it's going to have an effect on his relationships with other people, Society will punish him enough.

This man's ruined his life and he deserves it but it's not a police matter.Apparently not.

[Rob!]

This does sound like Scott.

[Beso]

The view count got the feckless idiot charged..

Silly sod was only trying to annoy his gf, and not an entire religion/race.

[Withano]

Of course Tommy Robinson went to his trial

[TomC]

i think imprisonment is ridiculous

[Alf]

i think imprisonment is ridiculousMight not be prison. Could be a fine or community service. The sentence is next month.

But the point is, he's been found guilty of a hate crime for a joke.

A dark day for freedom of speech in Britain.

[Beso]

When I was a lad it was illegal to put your willy up men's bottoms but you could say anything you liked. Now it's the other way round.



Had to laugh at one comment on it.

[Oliver_W]

It's a bit pathetic how teaching a dog to raise a paw can be life ruining, let along arrestable.

[kirklancaster]

Why is this man being compared to "comedians"?

And regarding people being offended... I'm so sorry if people decide this isn't worth getting offended about but with respect, none of you are in a position to say whether a Jewish person should or should not be offended. You don't get to decide.

Clear your PM Inbox Liv.

[Marsh.]

My cat does the Macarena.

[DemolitionRed]

When I first saw this video I found it very offensive. I'm glad he's been caught and prosecuted for this as I do see it as a hate crime. Not sure if he deserves prison but perhaps this is a warning to all those Nazi supporters out there.

[Beso]

A nazi supporter with all those tattoos in the video, and not one(that i know off) has racial or nazi connectations.

[Tom4784]

It's completely ridiculous that he was found guilty of this, the case should have been thrown out tbh because it's a poor joke in bad taste but to say this is a hate crime is ****ing ridiculous and quite frankly worrying when it comes to the state of our right to freedom of speech.

'Hate Speech' should cover people who incite violence against demographics, not people who, within the context of the joke, are parodying anti-semitism, not endorsing it. For all the talk of 'PC GONE MAD?!' this is an actual example of it. Beyond ridiculous, this judgement needs to be condemned for it's a judgement against freedom of speech.

[Mystic Mock]

It's completely ridiculous that he was found guilty of this, the case should have been thrown out tbh because it's a poor joke in bad taste but to say this is a hate crime is ****ing ridiculous and quite frankly worrying when it comes to the state of our right to freedom of speech.

'Hate Speech' should cover people who incite violence against demographics, not people who, within the context of the joke, are parodying anti-semitism, not endorsing it. For all the talk of 'PC GONE MAD?!' this is an actual example of it. Beyond ridiculous, this judgement needs to be condemned for it's a judgement against freedom of speech.

But it was animal cruelty Dezzy.:bawling:










Being serious though I do agree with you, Prison space shouldn't be wasted on people that have a really strange sense of humour, but instead for people that actually go violent on people for the colour of their skin out of the racial offenses, but bizarrely I've heard that those types of people can get off more lightly because they was "drunk" at the time.

[Northern Monkey]

-fTnuqbxxW4

[kirklancaster]

Meechan is nothing more than a racist, anti-Semitic, Nazi-Obsessed cretin who under the guise of 'comedy purposes' has posted deeply offensive, hurtful, and totally unnecessary bile to a potential audience of millions - including children.

His disclaimer that he is not 'racist' or 'antiSemitic' is pure B.S. as is his excuse that:

“My girlfriend is always ranting and raving about how cute and adorable her wee dog is, and so I thought I would turn him into the least cute thing that I could think of, which is a Nazi.”

John Cleese creating a 'Hitler' moustache with his fingers whilst exaggerating a 'Goosestep' ridicules the monster that was Hitler and the Nazis and IS funny.

Charlie Chaplin's 'The Great Dictator' masterfully ridicules Hitler and the Nazis and IS funny.

Ditto, Mel Brookes in his most brilliant film 'The Producers'.

In ALL examples of TRUE comedy which has Hitler/The Nazis as its theme- from 'Satirical' through 'Mordant' to 'Parodic' and 'Stand-Up'-, THEY are the subject of the 'joke', THEY are what is being 'Ridiculed'.

Yet, in Meechan's offensive short clip (which in my opinion, is not even humorous) the cruel 'Butt' of the joke (for want of a better word) is not Hitler/The Nazis - whom he actually PROMOTES - but instead is the 6 million innocent Jewish people, MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN, who Hitler/The Nazis so incredibly subjected to the most inhumane horrors of the 'Death Camps' before being murdered in the Gas Chambers.

Other victims include their millions of forever-shattered, still grieving relatives and families and those few who somehow survived the - STILL difficult to comprehend - so-called 'Final Solution'.

To these people, Jewish people everywhere, and ALL but the most 'dim-witted' of anti-Semitic people anywhere, there SURELY cannot be a more PAINFULLY OFFENSIVE phrase than; "Gas The Jews".

Meechan disclaimer and apologies ring hollow when one considers that SINCE the one under discussion, he has posted another painfully UNFUNNY video clip online - 'Ten Little Woofs - which DEFIANTLY ends in a clip of a Nazi rally and Nazi soldiers in action.

Training that poor dog must have taken months - a testament to the meticulous planning Meechan invested in this transparently 'cloaked' anti-Semitic toxic drivel - and his cynical use of the dog as a ploy is very sinister: 'Gas The Jews', 'Gas The Jews' repeated over and over like some Mantra to a cute little dog, is sanitizing and denigrating the true horrors of the 'Final Solution to the innocent and impressionable minds of any CHILDREN who may be viewing.

The authorities had this RIGHT.

Meechan fully DESERVES his arrest and conviction - in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

Why are people going to fancy dress parties as the SS and and such funny and this isn't? Personally I don't think either are at all but I'd like to see some consistency in the response.

[Beso]

Meechan is nothing more than a racist, anti-Semitic, Nazi-Obsessed cretin who under the guise of 'comedy purposes' has posted deeply offensive, hurtful, and totally unnecessary bile to a potential audience of millions - including children.

His disclaimer that he is not 'racist' or 'antiSemitic' is pure B.S. as is his excuse that:

“My girlfriend is always ranting and raving about how cute and adorable her wee dog is, and so I thought I would turn him into the least cute thing that I could think of, which is a Nazi.”

John Cleese creating a 'Hitler' moustache with his fingers whilst exaggerating a 'Goosestep' ridicules the monster that was Hitler and the Nazis and IS funny.

Charlie Chaplin's 'The Great Dictator' masterfully ridicules Hitler and the Nazis and IS funny.

Ditto, Mel Brookes in his most brilliant film 'The Producers'.

In ALL examples of TRUE comedy which has Hitler/The Nazis as its theme- from 'Satirical' through 'Mordant' to 'Parodic' and 'Stand-Up'-, THEY are the subject of the 'joke', THEY are what is being 'Ridiculed'.

Yet, in Meechan's offensive short clip (which in my opinion, is not even humorous) the cruel 'Butt' of the joke (for want of a better word) is not Hitler/The Nazis - whom he actually PROMOTES - but instead is the 6 million innocent Jewish people, MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN, who Hitler/The Nazis so incredibly subjected to the most inhumane horrors of the 'Death Camps' before being murdered in the Gas Chambers.

Other victims include their millions of forever-shattered, still grieving relatives and families and those few who somehow survived the - STILL difficult to comprehend - so-called 'Final Solution'.

To these people, Jewish people everywhere, and ALL but the most 'dim-witted' of anti-Semitic people anywhere, there SURELY cannot be a more PAINFULLY OFFENSIVE phrase than; "Gas The Jews".

Meechan disclaimer and apologies ring hollow when one considers that SINCE the one under discussion, he has posted another painfully UNFUNNY video clip online - 'Ten Little Woofs - which DEFIANTLY ends in a clip of a Nazi rally and Nazi soldiers in action.

Training that poor dog must have taken months - a testament to the meticulous planning Meechan invested in this transparently 'cloaked' anti-Semitic toxic drivel - and his cynical use of the dog as a ploy is very sinister: 'Gas The Jews', 'Gas The Jews' repeated over and over like some Mantra to a cute little dog, is sanitizing and denigrating the true horrors of the 'Final Solution to the innocent and impressionable minds of any CHILDREN who may be viewing.

The authorities had this RIGHT.

Meechan fully DESERVES his arrest and conviction - in my opinion.




Wasnt faulty towers all about laughing at basil and his misfortunes? Not basil being hitler!

In the vid the fella plays a german soldier and the dog plays hitler. Or vice versa. Imo both are parodies o

So why is it that black comedians can take the piss out if white folk? Yet the other way around you start bordering on racism

Why do women comedians now lay into men? But men cant mention the mother in law.

White men have persecutef for years its there turn now...well bollocks to that..jews have persecuted for years, muslims for years..black men mutilate teenage vaginas.

But oh no, you cant make fun if them.

Take the genital mutilation...no one dares....but john bobbit gets his cock cut off and its hohoho...

Comedy is comedy, you laugh or you dont..

[Maru]

I have not heard about this story but I don't want to watch the video. I have a problem when children or animals are involved in this kind of dark comedy. It's not something I could ever click or give my views. I don't even like the description of it as it sounds like this person has a terrible taste as a comedian it seems...

That said, if it was presented as satire and evidence was produced during the trial that indicated it may have had other intents, then a judge may have decided that was open to interpretation. Also, if the author did something this tasteless, then it may be difficult to see in the same lens as typical comedy and may be too far from funny that a judge or jury could see it more likely there was an intent for malfeasance... that would be the author's fault for terrible judgement. Possibly, if it was funny or had comedic value... then it may be easier to see as satire... but there may be other factors. Perhaps because of the extent it went, maybe farther than most people would have gone for a joke, it may have seen as a dog whistle to a certain crowd. In which case, that may very well have been seen to be open to interpretation to the judge/jury crowd... and maybe they saw the effect of this and don't want to encourage another "stunt" like this to go viral which would encourage "copy cats"... because, we have to consider, if this did pass the filter, then similar stunts could be pulled by actual hate groups who do have actual ill intent... even if this one was actually a comedic act, if that makes sense, it may signal to some "this is the line you could push it to and still have a case in court", etc. So those things to are worth considering...

However, personally I feel fitting comedy into hate speech is a grey area. Go too far and it will start to push the envelope and this is where comedians may find they have to reign in their acts considerably in order to avoid litigious behavior and it may very well put some folk out of business just from having lawsuits filed. Naturally, they have to work outside the box in order to do their job, and sometimes that means going too far. Gaffes are common with comedians, especially the more high profile they become.

I do believe there is a valuable role for the comedian (i.e. the Jester) in public discourse, especially in an age where the field of journalism has become a crap storm... so I'm not in favor of anything that stifles freedom of speech, especially when extreme means (comedy) may be the only way sometimes you can get a message across. Sometimes the jester is the only person in the room who can say the truth... sad, but true. Society is regressing back towards stricter guidelines and stifled discourse. Comedians have ways to skip through social barriers that none of us can as easily fit through... and so they may be able to tell a story through their jokes, despite it having comedic value, without a ton of stifling and ridiculous social filtering occurring throughout the process which stifles that expression.

I'm also not in favor of hate speech laws and am glad we don't have this here. Hate speech laws don't do anything to counteract bad ideas. All it does is force them out of the mainstream and into the underground. This may seem like a great thing. Yes, with free speech, these elements are in the foreground, sometimes even emboldened (The ACLU, etc support this freedom of expression as well, controversially here in the states)... that's a good thing, because it's out in the open--which means we can study it, learn that bad idea's anatomy and figure out how to counteract it by improving our ideas to crack it open...

Prosecuting people for "wrong" speech is silly anyway... it doesn't stop bad ideas from forming, much less spreading. It just encourages certain societal elements to get craftier with how they create and encourage social divisions. How can we expect society to craft it's best ideas if we don't know about the bad ones that need to be eliminated from our discourse... and sometimes there is necessary information there to learn you're in trouble... kind of like the "hidden voter" of the Trump election, and not even necessarily the hate speech/anti-immigrant variety.. but the portions that would "enable" those factors to rise and have an ear so to speak... you know, the folk that the media felt were hostile towards, that they were kept (and still are) out of discourse for being uneducated and lowlife... this is another reason I dislike hate speech laws, because while they're supposedly crafted to protect folk from troubling speech, they're used to stifle intellectual diversity or to encourage those who don't fit into certain narratives to remain silent.

Most people had no idea there was even this much push back, because the mainstream made very clear what ideas were best to air and how narrow their focus should remain... If just simple news coverage could create blind spots, imagine laws that regulate speech and intellectual diversity... when we shield society from it's internal demons, then it's no surprise that a gulf will be created beneath our feet... this shouldn't be the case at all if we really do have good ideas, then we should be able to develop the antidote to help treat and lessen the numbers of the bad ones... and that's just it, people don't even question or test their ideas... it's about confirmation bias now... if we know all the correct buttons to push, people to hang around with, things to center our world around, to avoid things that cause discomfort... then it's very easy to slip into a complacent state of mind and sleep through the alarms so to speak... it's good to be woken up every once in a while, reminded there are dangers around you, and that we can't be asleep at the wheel thinking that law can handle everything that creates discomfort for us. The law only functions as well as the society that it supports...

Anyway I wrote a lot, and it may not even get read... but I don't like hate speech laws and I don't like this type of "comedian". TDLR, not amused.

[Ammi]

..it was read Mari...and very eloquently written with much thought applied..:love:..as always...I won’t respond further ..(..atm..)...just because I don’t have the energy to be able to give it the thought deserved...but I will try to get some thoughts together and think about your words specifically....

[Alf]

He got a fine, which is still wrong but at least it wasn't prison.

At last this nonsense is finally over for this guy.

The only people who should be offended by mocking Nazis, is Nazis themselves.

[arista]

Yes £800 fine

https://news.sky.com/story/youtube-user-fined-for-posting-video-of-pet-dog-giving-nazi-salutes-11343699

[Oliver_W]

It's all a bit pathetic really, all this because he taught a dog to raise a paw in the air?

The absolutely worst thing that should have happened to him should be having to take the video down.

[arista]

It's all a bit pathetic really, all this because he taught a dog to raise a paw in the air?

The absolutely worst thing that should have happened to him should be having to take the video down.



Yes
its comedy in bad taste