How many Syrian refugees should be allowed in the UK?

[Liberty4eva]

Late at night as you are preparing for bed you get a phone call from Prime Minister David Cameron informing you that Parliament is in a heated debate and can't decide on how many Syrian refugees to allow in. And, in a break with tradition, they have decided to give dictatorial power to a random citizen on this issue. The members produced a phone book and Cameron closed his eyes and randomly picked your number. He is asking you how many Syrians should be let in to the UK and that the number you give will be binding. You tell him?

[Smithy]

12 for our first ever Hunger Games, the winner gets to live in luxury for the rest of their life

[Denver]

0

[Nicky91]

0

[Kazanne]

None(except in exceptional circumstances)

[bots]

42.5 million

[Crimson Dynamo]

none. Lets work on this country dave.

[joeysteele]

I would suggest for genuine refugees,that whatever the estimated number of them are,that they are divided by 28 as to the EU countries and we take our share of the divided numbers,whatever it may be.

Until it is safe in the future for them to return to their homeland.

[_Tom_]

Nada.

[Cherie]

I would suggest for genuine refugees,that whatever the estimated number of them are,that they are divided by 28 as to the EU countries and we take our share of the divided numbers,whatever it may be.

Until it is safe in the future for them to return to their homeland.

Agree with that, they should then be divided proportionately around the country not crammed into some areas while others have none, who knows we or our children or our children's children might be refugees one day

[smudgie]

None.
I would tell him that the 28 EU countries need to sort out funding and help to give people safe refuge inside their own countries, now and in any future troubles.
Should be made a worldwide law.

[billy123]

This thread Just astounds me. There are so many reasons why.

I think ignorance is probably the main one to be honest do people really not have any understanding of why these people are running for their lives?

Do you even know that you helped pay to turn this into this?
http://globalinfonews.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/syria-destroyed7.jpg

If you support hate,war and murder then you have to accept that there are consequences. You are always going to get racist morons spouting bollocks but i fear for our future when reasonably educated people are too blind to realise that there are consequences to murder and destruction of other countries.
One of those consequences are that innocent men women and children have to run for their lives. Where are they supposed to go?

Either take some responsibility or take a stand against warmongering for profit you cant have it both ways.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bob, not the Socialist Worker line again?

[Denver]

This thread Just astounds me. There are so many reasons why.

I think ignorance is probably the main one to be honest do people really not have any understanding of why these people are running for their lives?

Do you even know that you helped pay to turn this into this?
http://globalinfonews.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/syria-destroyed7.jpg

If you support hate,war and murder then you have to accept that there are consequences. You are always going to get racist morons spouting bollocks but i fear for our future when reasonably educated people are too blind to realise that there are consequences to murder and destruction of other countries.
One of those consequences are that innocent men women and children have to run for their lives. Where are they supposed to go?

Either take some responsibility or take a stand against warmongering for profit you cant have it both ways.

Put your own before others end of

[Kizzy]

Put your own before others end of

Your own what?...
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

[Denver]

Your own what?...
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

So your suggesting we forget about the Brits in need and help people that have **** all to do with us? I'm sorry but British citizens have the right to be put first and under the current leader it isn't happening.

[billy123]

So your suggesting we forget about the Brits in need and help people that have **** all to do with us? I'm sorry but British citizens have the right to be put first and under the current leader it isn't happening.
Nobody suggested that Adam where did you get that idea from?
Unfortunately these people running for their lives have a lot to do with "us" The UK helped destroy their homes and murder their familys.
Do you know why they had their homes destroyed by our army? Please tell me.

[Denver]

Nobody suggested that Adam where did you get that idea from?
Unfortunately these people running for their lives have a lot to do with "us" The UK helped destroy their homes and murder their familys.

The UK didn't force terrorists to take control of the cities and kill innocent people

[Kizzy]

So your suggesting we forget about the Brits in need and help people that have **** all to do with us? I'm sorry but British citizens have the right to be put first and under the current leader it isn't happening.

I didn't suggest that Adam.

[Livia]

Whatever the number of refugees we take, they should come to us through the UN camps, and not via Calais. This way we've got more chance of getting genuine refugees, families, children... rather than IS infiltrators and economic migrants.

As far as the UK being "responsible" for the war, I think you'll fine that Assad was the one with the chemical weapons, the one opening fire on his own citizens... and furthermore, Saudi Arabia is as involved as anyone and how many refugees have they taken? Zero.

[billy123]

The UK didn't force terrorists to take control of the cities and kill innocent peopleIm pretty much done here. I would put a laughing emoticon here if it wasnt so tragic.
Which terrorists took control of Syrian Cities and destroyed them Adam?

[Kizzy]

The UK didn't force terrorists to take control of the cities and kill innocent people

Some may say indirectly that was a result of our foreign policies though.
If a bomb falls on a house and all civilians are dead does it make a sound?

[billy123]

If a bomb falls on a house and all civilians are dead does it make a sound?No because people with their fingers in their ears couldn't hear it.

[Livia]

The UK didn't force terrorists to take control of the cities and kill innocent people

Adam, there will always be people who like to claim every ill in the world and name it as our problem. It doesn't make it our problem... we are involved in the periphery, like many other countries, but we are not responsible for the atrocities that have gone one between different Syrian factions, as you know, and no amount of hatred toward our government will make it so. And we're as heavily involved in finding a peaceful solution as we ever were in bombing Syria.

[Denver]

Im pretty much done here. I would put a laughing emoticon here if it wasnt so tragic.
Which terrorists took control of Syrian Cities and destroyed them Adam?

What's tragic is you claiming Syria don't have a problem with terrorist you clearly have no idea of what your going on about

[Kizzy]

We are trying to find a peaceful solution, yet anyone who attempts to have a diplomatic discussion with terrorist organisations seems to be tarnished for their efforts.
If you ignore the fact we played a part in the destabilisation of certain regions you are deluding yourself.

[bots]

This thread Just astounds me. There are so many reasons why.

I think ignorance is probably the main one to be honest do people really not have any understanding of why these people are running for their lives?

Do you even know that you helped pay to turn this into this?
http://globalinfonews.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/syria-destroyed7.jpg

If you support hate,war and murder then you have to accept that there are consequences. You are always going to get racist morons spouting bollocks but i fear for our future when reasonably educated people are too blind to realise that there are consequences to murder and destruction of other countries.
One of those consequences are that innocent men women and children have to run for their lives. Where are they supposed to go?

Either take some responsibility or take a stand against warmongering for profit you cant have it both ways.

So, by definition then, we have done very little in the way of damage to civilian areas in Syria so we have no responsibility for re-homing refugees.

Also, the Syrian government and its own people are the main protagonists. So how does one address the people of the UK suffering for their actions?

If you are talking about fairness and responsibility, you need to paint the whole picture, not a snapshot of 1 building in an entire country

[Niamh.]

Deleted some posts in here, can you all stick to the topic please

[billy123]

So, by definition then, we have done very little in the way of damage to civilian areas in Syria so we have no responsibility for re-homing refugees.

Also, the Syrian government and its own people are the main protagonists. So how does one address the people of the UK suffering for their actions?

If you are talking about fairness and responsibility, you need to paint the whole picture, not a snapshot of 1 building in an entire countryThe contribution of the UK in the destruction of Syria Started a long time before the bombing started and as you know includes a lot more than 1 photo i posted. what am i supposed to do post every fu**ing photo that shows the bombings and destruction? :joker:

[Ammi]

..we should take as many refugees as we possibly can take..as many as is feasibly possible to take/regardless of the stance of any other country..not because we're British but because we're human beings and the Syrian refugee crisis is a human crisis so is the responsibility of everyone until there is a safe time for Syrians to go back to their homes..(is what I would say to David Cameron..)...

[joeysteele]

..we should take as many refugees as we possibly can take..as many as is feasibly possible to take/regardless of the stance of any other country..not because we're British but because we're human beings and the Syrian refugee crisis is a human crisis so is the responsibility of everyone until there is a safe time for Syrians to go back to their homes..(is what I would say to David Cameron..)...

:wavey: Well if, as to the topic of this thread,David Cameron rejected my plan,then as long as he took yours and enacted what you say above,I would be extremely happy,if not happier than had he took mine.

[Northern Monkey]

This is what i would do.
I would tell Cameron to hold off until after the EU referendum.
I would tell him that IF the result is to leave that declining undemocratic shambles then he needs to immediately keep his promise of getting immigration back down into the tens of thousands(which is impossible as an EU member).I'm not talking about sending anybody home but stem the flow of incoming immigrants to a managable amount.
Then i would more than happily take in a lump sum of refugees all to be fully vetted and families first and integrate them into the muslim ghettos....sorry communities of this country.I would take 200,000 of them happily.We should help these people but only when we have the capacity.

[bots]

The contribution of the UK in the destruction of Syria Started a long time before the bombing started and as you know includes a lot more than 1 photo i posted. what am i supposed to do post every fu**ing photo that shows the bombings and destruction? :joker:

It was a metaphoric use of snapshot. I was just playing devils advocate to your rather bullish statements.

Of course we should take our share of those vulnerable that are fleeing war, but there has to be common sense built in to the equation to. It's not a black and white answer and its impossible to put a figure to the numbers we should take

[joeysteele]

The only thing I would add is that with refugees,whatever and whoever they may be fleeing from.
Waiting is not an option for the right time to help.

Help is needed instantly,almost no time and for sure very little time,in order to cut down even more suffering for them, to consider waiting for better times to decide to give refuge and assistance.

[Tom4784]

We, along with a lot of countries in the west, have played a part in the destabilization of the region. It's our responsibility to be apart of the solution and taking in a number of refugees is the least we can do.

[Livia]

We, along with a lot of countries in the west, have played a part in the destabilization of the region. It's our responsibility to be apart of the solution and taking in a number of refugees is the least we can do.

Saudi Arabia was also instrumental with at least as much involvement in any destabilisation as the UK and probably much more. They haven't taken a single refugee. Shouldn't the Middle East be encouraged to step up? The refugee camps in Jordan are packed, yet they seem to be one of only a few countries in that region taking steps to aid refugees. It shouldn't just be left to a few countries. It should be for everyone to step up.

[DemolitionRed]

Fact 1: The West has been involved in the Syrian conflict since 2012

Fact 2: The West has known that extremists were prominent in the Syrian insurgency, and that the arms they sent into Syria have often ended up in the hands of extremists, since 2012

Fact 3: The US has encouraged ‘moderate’ rebel groups to work with the Nusra Front, al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, and has probably knowingly supported jihadis itself

Fact 4: The West has prolonged the fighting and blocked a peaceful solution to the conflict

Fact 5: The West has helped to create the conditions in Syria and Iraq that have allowed IS to grow and prosper

Fact 6: The West’s allies in the region have been supporting extremists in Syria, including IS

Fact 7: Western airstrikes in Syria and Iraq have killed hundreds of civilians

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/ian-sinclair/10-facts-government-doesn-t-want-you-to-know-about-syria

Bob, the pictures you posted don't count because its not Belgium or France or god forbid London. Those ruins only killed Muslims, and they don't count, do they? Many westerners have no interest in helping them because "they" are not "us".

[Livia]

I have never seen one single person on this forum intimate that Muslims don't count.

Fact.

[Beso]

can't they farm out the refugees to other parts of Syria.

[Cherie]

Whatever the number of refugees we take, they should come to us through the UN camps, and not via Calais. This way we've got more chance of getting genuine refugees, families, children... rather than IS infiltrators and economic migrants..



I agree with this if you are fleeing war and persecution Calais should not be where you end up terrorising lorry drivers who can no longer refuel at the port because of attacks

[Cherie]

Fact 1: The West has been involved in the Syrian conflict since 2012

Fact 2: The West has known that extremists were prominent in the Syrian insurgency, and that the arms they sent into Syria have often ended up in the hands of extremists, since 2012

Fact 3: The US has encouraged ‘moderate’ rebel groups to work with the Nusra Front, al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, and has probably knowingly supported jihadis itself

Fact 4: The West has prolonged the fighting and blocked a peaceful solution to the conflict

Fact 5: The West has helped to create the conditions in Syria and Iraq that have allowed IS to grow and prosper

Fact 6: The West’s allies in the region have been supporting extremists in Syria, including IS

Fact 7: Western airstrikes in Syria and Iraq have killed hundreds of civilians

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/ian-sinclair/10-facts-government-doesn-t-want-you-to-know-about-syria

Bob, the pictures you posted don't count because its not Belgium or France or god forbid London. Those ruins only killed Muslims, and they don't count, do they? Many westerners have no interest in helping them because "they" are not "us".

I have never seen one single person on this forum intimate that Muslims don't count.

Fact.


Is this the TIBB homage to Rafa :unsure:

[Tom4784]

Saudi Arabia was also instrumental with at least as much involvement in any destabilisation as the UK and probably much more. They haven't taken a single refugee. Shouldn't the Middle East be encouraged to step up? The refugee camps in Jordan are packed, yet they seem to be one of only a few countries in that region taking steps to aid refugees. It shouldn't just be left to a few countries. It should be for everyone to step up.

And that's got jack**** to do with our contribution. We can't just wring our hands and look for excuses not to do our part.

[Beso]

we are doing our part.

[Tom4784]

we are doing our part.

And there's a lot of resentment in this thread because of it.

[Livia]

And that's got jack**** to do with our contribution. We can't just wring our hands and look for excuses not to do our part.

But we are already contributing. We've worked closely with Jordan sending millions to help refugees there, and of course we've already taken refugees from UN camps and we continue to take them from there, which is the right thing to do. Saudi has done nothing - nada - not one thing. I wouldn't say that's got jack **** to do with it, I'd say it's a question that those countries already helping and contributing should be asking.

[Cherie]

I don't see any resentment in the thread just different priorities.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fact 1: The West has been involved in the Syrian conflict since 2012

Fact 2: The West has known that extremists were prominent in the Syrian insurgency, and that the arms they sent into Syria have often ended up in the hands of extremists, since 2012

Fact 3: The US has encouraged ‘moderate’ rebel groups to work with the Nusra Front, al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, and has probably knowingly supported jihadis itself

Fact 4: The West has prolonged the fighting and blocked a peaceful solution to the conflict

Fact 5: The West has helped to create the conditions in Syria and Iraq that have allowed IS to grow and prosper

Fact 6: The West’s allies in the region have been supporting extremists in Syria, including IS

Fact 7: Western airstrikes in Syria and Iraq have killed hundreds of civilians

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/ian-sinclair/10-facts-government-doesn-t-want-you-to-know-about-syria

Bob, the pictures you posted don't count because its not Belgium or France or god forbid London. Those ruins only killed Muslims, and they don't count, do they? Many westerners have no interest in helping them because "they" are not "us".

To try and say that if a bus full of people died in a crash in your home town and a the same crash happened in Iraq that we should somehow be equally sad, involved and interested is rather far fetched?

Its not realistic

[DemolitionRed]

To try and say that if a bus full of people died in a crash in your home town and a the same crash happened in Iraq that we should somehow be equally sad, involved and interested is rather far fetched?

Its not realistic

If you knew me and knew about my life and my loss in the middle east then you wouldn't be going there.

[Kizzy]

To try and say that if a bus full of people died in a crash in your home town and a the same crash happened in Iraq that we should somehow be equally sad, involved and interested is rather far fetched?

Its not realistic

What you have to ask yourself is who was driving the bus?

[MTVN]

Saudi Arabia was also instrumental with at least as much involvement in any destabilisation as the UK and probably much more. They haven't taken a single refugee. Shouldn't the Middle East be encouraged to step up? The refugee camps in Jordan are packed, yet they seem to be one of only a few countries in that region taking steps to aid refugees. It shouldn't just be left to a few countries. It should be for everyone to step up.

That's because refugee status doesn't exist in Gulf countries though - most of their populations are poor migrants so they're fearful about what granting refugee status to people would unleash. Saudi and others do donate a lot of money to refugees and there are quite a lot of Syrians in the Gulf countries but they will all be on work and visitor permits not there as refugees

[Marsh.]

Maybe about three?

[Brother Leon]

The UK didn't force terrorists to take control of the cities and kill innocent people

Yeah. Not like the UK funded and trained them originally or anything..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah. Not like the UK funded and trained them originally or anything..

yes sigh, its all our fault..

no blame must lie with the actual perpetrators

jesus wept at this thread

:facepalm:

[DemolitionRed]

Yeah. Not like the UK funded and trained them originally or anything..

The US trained ISIS and the West supported its creation.

[Brother Leon]

yes sigh, its all our fault..

no blame must lie with the actual perpetrators

jesus wept at this thread

:facepalm:

Who said it is all our fault? It isn't, but there sure as hell is some
Blame on us and the West on the whole. The whole ignorance and "nothing to do with us" in here just had to be replied to.

[joeysteele]

We certainly assisted in part to help further the cause and the rise of IS in Libya.

[Glenn.]

None. We have enough problems to sort out.