Muirfield Golf Club say NO to Women members after 2 year consultation

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Muirfield has been told it will not stage another Open Championship as long as it continues to bar women golfers from becoming members.

The Scottish golf club announced on Thursday that its members had voted against allowing women to join.

Governing body the R&A said it would not stage the Open "at a venue that does not admit women as members".

To admit women golfers as members, Muirfield - a privately owned links in East Lothian run by The Honourable Company of Edinburgh Golfers - needed two thirds (432) of its 648 eligible voters to back the move.

But after a "comprehensive" two-year consultation process described as "thorough" and conducted "with all due diligence and professionalism", it fell narrowly short of that number.

Of the 616 members who voted, 397 - or 64% - voted for the resolution, while 219 (36%) voted against it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/36331270

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So its a privately owned club, it took a good look at the situation and voted NO in the end. Surely that should be applauded?

[the truth]

There's loads of womenly only clubs and institutions. Radical liberalism and radical feminism, biased hypocritical divisive sexist double standards

[arista]

Private club
thats their right

[Northern Monkey]

I think everyone should be able to join golf clubs.No women only or mens clubs.

[Tom4784]

Bunch of old fools, I do hope other championships will also boycott them.

There's loads of womenly only clubs and institutions. Radical liberalism and radical feminism, biased hypocritical divisive sexist double standards

List them.

[Cherie]

There are plenty women only gyms. Swimming, the WI, either we want equality all round and there are no single sex organisations or we agree that some places can be single sex

[joeysteele]

Bunch of old fools, I do hope other championships will also boycott them.



List them.


That's the only appropriate description for them.

[bots]

In many many golf courses women are associate members. Its a different type of membership that comes at a much cheaper price than full membership. While some may want full membership, many women would rather have the cheaper price. Can't have it both ways

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/03/business/womens-only-private-members-clubs/

Five of the best women-only private members clubs

[Crimson Dynamo]

2016 Green Fees @ Muirfield

£220 for one round and £290 for two rounds on the day.


You must have button's up the back of yer napper if you would pay that for a round of golf anyroad

[Northern Monkey]

I think a few women would brighten the places up.Some fresh flowerly perfume to freshen up those sweaty male club bars.

[Jamie89]

The fact that they think something like this even needs a 'consultation process' (never mind a two year one :umm2:) is embarrassing. The 64% who voted in favour of it should leave the club to be honest and make a stand. The club would then have no choice but to reverse the decision and drag themselves out the dark ages.

[Crimson Dynamo]

imagine if a gay person wanted to join?


:omgno:

[Jamie89]

imagine if a gay person wanted to join?


:omgno:

They've banned women, not gay people :suspect: What point are you trying to make?

[Cherie]

The fact that they think something like this even needs a 'consultation process' (never mind a two year one :umm2:) is embarrassing. The 64% who voted in favour of it should leave the club to be honest and make a stand. The club would then have no choice but to reverse the decision and drag themselves out the dark ages.

In that case we would have to allow men into women only clubs, there can't be varying versions of the rules to suit, they pay their money they can make their choice, their wives get to use the facilities as part of the membership, in some cases it may be the wife paying so technically they are the member :omgno:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I could tell you how most golfing men feel about lady golfers but I wont

:omgno:

[Cherie]

Too slow :oh: sexist pigs :fist:

[Jamie89]

In that case we would have to allow men into women only clubs, there can't be varying versions of the rules to suit, they pay their money they can make their choice, their wives get to use the facilities as part of the membership, in some cases it may be the wife paying so technically they are the member :omgno:

I think 'women only' clubs should be scrapped too, I just don't see the point in them tbh. It's like with the WI, only women can join but men can still take part in the activities etc. It makes no sense to me at all. I think all of these organisations need to just move forward with the times and get rid of their 'men only'/'women only' rules. How is there any benefit to any club in not allowing members of a particular sex?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Too slow :oh: sexist pigs :fist:

maybe if you hit it further than 20 yards you would be quicker?

:shrug:

[the truth]

There are plenty women only gyms. Swimming, the WI, either we want equality all round and there are no single sex organisations or we agree that some places can be single sex

wood in fact but the feminazi bbc refuses to ever mention this

[Livia]

If they want to stick to their archaic rules, that's up to the dusty old dinosaurs who voted. But they shouldn't ever expect to host a tournament like the Open.

[_Tom_]

Not sure I see a problem with a private club making their own rules. The fact that numerous women-only clubs exist and you never hear about them. Suppose that shows how hypocritical this fake outrage is.

[Livia]

Not sure I see a problem with a private club making their own rules. The fact that numerous women-only clubs exist and you never hear about them. Suppose that shows how hypocritical this fake outrage is.

Women only clubs exist... it's not a secret. It's not like someone's keeping quiet about them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

loose women?

[Livia]

loose women?

That programme makes me want to cut myself.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That programme makes me want to cut myself.

:nono:

that is Arista's fave

[Livia]

:nono:

that is Arista's fave

I'd probably recommend some kind of talking therapy.

[bots]

The members took the decision knowing if it went this way the open would no longer be held there. That's their choice

There is an awful lot of snobbery still in golf clubs, the no women is just one side of it and I think Muirfield is one of the worst offenders.

[_Tom_]

Women only clubs exist... it's not a secret. It's not like someone's keeping quiet about them.

But it wouldn't be headline news.

[Livia]

The members took the decision knowing if it went this way the open would no longer be held there. That's their choice

There is an awful lot of snobbery still in golf clubs, the no women is just one side of it and I think Muirfield is one of the worst offenders.

You're so right. My local(ish) golf club allows women but why anyone would want to hang out with that bunch of old snobs is beyond me. And it's a shame, I wouldn't mind taking some lessons

[Crimson Dynamo]

in general snobbery and golf is a very English thing, its unusual in Scotland as it is much more a peoples game

[Livia]

But it wouldn't be headline news.

There aren't any women only golf clubs. There have been men only and women only private clubs for years. I don't think it's the same thing at all.

[Livia]

in general snobbery and golf is a very English thing, its unusual in Scotland as it is much more a peoples game

And yet... Muirfield, where it's a people's game if you're the kind of people who have a cock.

[bots]

in general snobbery and golf is a very English thing, its unusual in Scotland as it is much more a peoples game

Same in Scotland. My old club was dreadful. There are some nice, friendly ones, but still a serious number of Snobby ones

[Crimson Dynamo]

And yet... Muirfield, where it's a people's game if you're the kind of people who have a cock.

you need that for balance when making the correct swing plane :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Same in Scotland. My old club was dreadful. There are some nice, friendly ones, but still a serious number of Snobby ones

Edinburgh?

[Tom4784]

Not sure I see a problem with a private club making their own rules. The fact that numerous women-only clubs exist and you never hear about them. Suppose that shows how hypocritical this fake outrage is.

Difference is that this club wanted to profit from a tournament while still keeping their archaic rules.

It's a private club so they make their own rules but they can't expect the event money to keep rolling in as well.

[Livia]

you need that for balance when making the correct swing plane :nono:

Your swing must suffer somewhat...........

[Livia]

Difference is that this club wanted to profit from a tournament while still keeping their archaic rules.

It's a private club so they make their own rules but they can't expect the event money to keep rolling in as well.

That's it... in a nutshell.

[bots]

Edinburgh?

Glasgow ... :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Glasgow ... :laugh:

not glasgow gailes

:omgno:

[bots]

not glasgow gailes

:omgno:

Whitecraigs

[_Tom_]

There aren't any women only golf clubs.

http://www.formbyladiesgolfclub.co.uk

http://www.aberdeenladiesgc.co.uk/

[Cherie]

Difference is that this club wanted to profit from a tournament while still keeping their archaic rules.

It's a private club so they make their own rules but they can't expect the event money to keep rolling in as well.

Not true the letter they sent to members recommended changing the rules, the proposal was defeated by 14 votes so not overturnable

[Cherie]

I think 'women only' clubs should be scrapped too, I just don't see the point in them tbh. It's like with the WI, only women can join but men can still take part in the activities etc. It makes no sense to me at all. I think all of these organisations need to just move forward with the times and get rid of their 'men only'/'women only' rules. How is there any benefit to any club in not allowing members of a particular sex?

What if it's part of your culture though, that's a whole new can of worms

[Jamie89]

What if it's part of your culture though, that's a whole new can of worms

Yeah I suppose that complicates it a bit, but I'm just speaking idealistically really, in that I don't think it should ever be an issue and single sex clubs just strike me as a really odd thing for us to have. I mean maybe 'back in the day', but to me they don't fit with how society currently operates. I think this is the kind of thing that future generations will look back on and laugh at us about :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Oh let the old farts have their club, it's prob a cover and they roger each other sensible without wifey finding out.

[Cherie]

Oh let the old farts have their club, it's prob a cover and they roger each other sensible without wifey finding out.

Wifeys are there as well so maybe they are watching

[joeysteele]

Not true the letter they sent to members recommended changing the rules, the proposal was defeated by 14 votes so not overturnable

That's true, you are right, it just didn't make the two thirds majority required to change the ruling.

[Kizzy]

Wifeys are there as well so maybe they are watching

Yep it's a wife swopping clup too :laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

What if it's part of your culture though, that's a whole new can of worms

I think if that's the case then maybe go to a country where sexism is part of that culture.

I mean yeah i like a sexist joke or two but excluding a sex from a sport is properly sexist.
I can't honestly see any reason why women should be banned from a golf club.Only sexist reasons.What could the reasons be?

Women are a distraction for the men taking a shot?
Women don't suit the clothing required?
Mens golf clubs are for the serious players(men).Women can make their own girly clubs while the real players have the proper(mens) clubs?
Women might start getting above their station and try getting involved in serious discussions like politics and sport?

I don't know.I can't see a reason why women are'nt allowed.

[the truth]

I think if that's the case then maybe go to a country where sexism is part of that culture.

I mean yeah i like a sexist joke or two but excluding a sex from a sport is properly sexist.
I can't honestly see any reason why women should be banned from a golf club.Only sexist reasons.What could the reasons be?

Women are a distraction for the men taking a shot?
Women don't suit the clothing required?
Mens golf clubs are for the serious players(men).Women can make their own girly clubs while the real players have the proper(mens) clubs?
Women might start getting above their station and try getting involved in serious discussions like politics and sport?

I don't know.I can't see a reason why women are'nt allowed.

Why are men banned from 100s of women's only organizations across the world? Isnt that sexist? Why arebt you angry about that? Why isnt this being reported?

[Northern Monkey]

Why are men banned from 100s of women's only organizations across the world? Isnt that sexist? Why arebt you angry about that? Why isnt this being reported?
I'm not "angry" about any of it.I agree i dont think anyone should be banned from anything based on sex,Apart from changing rooms and public toilets.

And proffessional sports should be segregated due to men having an advantage.

[Cherie]

I think if that's the case then maybe go to a country where sexism is part of that culture.

I mean yeah i like a sexist joke or two but excluding a sex from a sport is properly sexist.
I can't honestly see any reason why women should be banned from a golf club.Only sexist reasons.What could the reasons be?

Women are a distraction for the men taking a shot?
Women don't suit the clothing required?
Mens golf clubs are for the serious players(men).Women can make their own girly clubs while the real players have the proper(mens) clubs?
Women might start getting above their station and try getting involved in serious discussions like politics and sport?

I don't know.I can't see a reason why women are'nt allowed.

Women aren't banned though they can't be paid up members

[Northern Monkey]

Women aren't banned though they can't be paid up members

But why?

[Cherie]

But why?

Tradition I guess, the vote was defeated by 14 votes so not all were in favour of keeping it as it is, vote again in 5 years I expect the rules will change, I don't really see the issue here it's not like women can't play golf or become members elsewhere, storm in a teacup, there really are bigger issues in the world

[Crimson Dynamo]

But why?

because the men there want it to be men only and as its not illegal and its been balloted its the decision they have made

[Crimson Dynamo]

tbh i cant imagine any women golfers in that area being that fussed, there are plenty of courses around

[Jamie89]

because the men there want it to be men only and as its not illegal and its been balloted its the decision they have made

Why do you think they want it to be men only though?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why do you think they want it to be men only though?

to get away from women

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh and at Troon, where the Open is being held this year

guess what?


Women not allowed


:omgno:

[user104658]

Ugh why would they want to allow women in?? Lactating and bleeding from their vaginas all over everything. Bleurgh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ugh why would they want to allow women in?? Lactating and bleeding from their vaginas all over everything. Bleurgh.

also TS have you seen womens golf attire?

vile

smh

[Ninastar]

this reminds me of the time my friend and i werent allowed in a strip club

[Niamh.]

If they want to stick to their archaic rules, that's up to the dusty old dinosaurs who voted. But they shouldn't ever expect to host a tournament like the Open.

Yeah was just about to say this really ^

[Ross.]

I say it's about time we hold a vote to become a men-only forum

[Livia]

Those old boys just don't trust anything that bleeds for a week and doesn't die.

[Kizzy]

Wives can play, so it's just 'outsiders' they don't like.

[bots]

Wives can play, so it's just 'outsiders' they don't like.

its a club, and there are rules for joining the club. Its their loss at the end of the day, not just from being excluded from the Open. Their golf club loses its prestige status, which for many of the members will be the reason they joined ... Its tied to the snobbery thing .... I'm a member at Muirfield boy ... how big is your willie. .... Once that status is lost, the club will just die out.

[Niamh.]

its a club, and there are rules for joining the club. Its their loss at the end of the day, not just from being excluded from the Open. Their golf club loses its prestige status, which for many of the members will be the reason they joined ... Its tied to the snobbery thing .... I'm a member at Muirfield boy ... how big is your willie. .... Once that status is lost, the club will just die out.

:laugh2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Those old boys just don't trust anything that bleeds for a week and doesn't die.

Also buys candles and cushions

:suspect:

[Kizzy]

its a club, and there are rules for joining the club. Its their loss at the end of the day, not just from being excluded from the Open. Their golf club loses its prestige status, which for many of the members will be the reason they joined ... Its tied to the snobbery thing .... I'm a member at Muirfield boy ... how big is your willie. .... Once that status is lost, the club will just die out.

Did you here Peter Alliss and his comment that the wives were against it? :laugh:

[the truth]

Why so many women only clubs? So many man hating bigots

[Northern Monkey]

The way i see it is,If women were allowed to join too,If the blokes want to play together with their mates then what's stopping them?Or the women want to play with their girlfriends.Or if one day they want to go as a family they could.

Excluding women from anything these days just gives the feminists ammunition.This country is more equal than it has ever been and in many areas now it favours women more.If men want our inequalities to be taken seriously then rules to exclude women in any parts of society except where men are obviously more suited or vice versa need to be stamped out.If we are to have true equality.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Exactly where are all the women airline captains or women playing in the Barclays Prem?

None.

Will there be any women playing in the Scottish and English Cup finals tomorra? no

Shocking

[Niamh.]

Exactly where are all the women airline captains or women playing in the Barclays Prem?

None.

Will there be any women playing in the Scottish and English Cup finals tomorra? no

Shocking

None? that isn't true

[Crimson Dynamo]

None? that isn't true

:suspect:

No woman has ever been a captain of a plane, how could that be?

[Niamh.]

:suspect:

No woman has ever been a captain of a plane, how could that be?

:nono:

I've had a woman captain on flights quite a few times, smoothest flights ever :hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:nono:

I've had a woman captain on flights quite a few times, smoothest flights ever :hee:

:worry:

[bots]

:suspect:

No woman has ever been a captain of a plane, how could that be?

there are women airline captains

[Crimson Dynamo]

there are women airline captains

this is ridiculous

what if they spy an Ikea coming into land and the next thing you have a jumbo jet taking up all the disabled spots in the car park

utter madness

:nono:

[bots]

bbc news .... "Meanwhile, golf commentator Peter Alliss suggested women who want to join Muirfield should "get married to someone who's a member"." :joker:

[Niamh.]

bbc news .... "Meanwhile, golf commentator Peter Alliss suggested women who want to join Muirfield should "get married to someone who's a member"." :joker:

ffs :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

bbc news .... "Meanwhile, golf commentator Peter Alliss suggested women who want to join Muirfield should "get married to someone who's a member"." :joker:

Good old Peter, always thinking about the women golfers

:clap1:

[Livia]

bbc news .... "Meanwhile, golf commentator Peter Alliss suggested women who want to join Muirfield should "get married to someone who's a member"." :joker:

I've seen some of the members on TV. I'm guessing not many women will be forming a queue.

[Kizzy]

Exactly where are all the women airline captains or women playing in the Barclays Prem?

None.

Will there be any women playing in the Scottish and English Cup finals tomorra? no

Shocking

There are no female pilots?... I think you'll find there are.

[Northern Monkey]

Well anyone can fly a plane these days.They pretty much fly themselves.....



Not too many distractions up there either,Alot of women already have their head in the clouds

:joker:

Note:There is nothing wrong with being a woman(please don't ban me again for my disgraceful sense of humour)

[Crimson Dynamo]

female doctors, now pilots

the whole world is going to hell on a handcart

What next, female comedians?

*shudder*

[MTVN]

Why do you think they want it to be men only though?

Because women play too slow apparently, which is a fair grumble. Probably wouldn't let me be a member there either just because I have a 28 handicap and four putt on most holes :inamood:

[Niamh.]

Because women play too slow apparently, which is a fair grumble. Probably wouldn't let me be a member there either just because I have a 28 handicap and four putt on most holes :inamood:

I don't believe that for a second, if that were the actual reason then why do they allow members wives play?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't believe that for a second, if that were the actual reason then why do they allow members wives play?

neem, women golfers on a course are a nightmare

but generally they let you play through:smug:

[Livia]

Because women play too slow apparently, which is a fair grumble. Probably wouldn't let me be a member there either just because I have a 28 handicap and four putt on most holes :inamood:

I always struggle to get the ball through the little windmill.

[Niamh.]

neem, women golfers on a course are a nightmare

but generally they let you play through:smug:

I hate Golf :hee:

[Niamh.]

I always struggle to get the ball through the little windmill.

:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I always struggle to get the ball through the little windmill.

maybe you need a longer iron


:fan:

[bots]

It all stems from a time when the men folks played at weekends and the women could play during the week, once they had finished their housework. As this meant they played at quiet times, they got a cheap membership (associate) rather than a full membership. It was a method of restricting players at the peak weekend times. Its really that simple :laugh:

[Jamie89]

Because women play too slow apparently, which is a fair grumble. Probably wouldn't let me be a member there either just because I have a 28 handicap and four putt on most holes :inamood:

Then why not assign membership based on their skill level in that case, across the board, men and women? Instead of just a blanket refusal against all women because they might be too slow. You say it's fair but surely being fair would be to hold everyone to the same standards. There's nothing 'fair' about their decision at all.

[Northern Monkey]

Then why not assign membership based on their skill level in that case, across the board, men and women? Instead of just a blanket refusal against all women because they might be too slow. You say it's fair but surely being fair would be to hold everyone to the same standards. There's nothing 'fair' about their decision at all.
Yes that would be the......

Fairway



:joker:

[Jamie89]

Yes that would be the......

Fairway



:joker:

:joker:

An above par joke

[Cherie]

No birdies at this club :fan:

[Jamie89]

No birdies at this club :fan:

:joker::joker:

[the truth]

Then why not assign membership based on their skill level in that case, across the board, men and women? Instead of just a blanket refusal against all women because they might be too slow. You say it's fair but surely being fair would be to hold everyone to the same standards. There's nothing 'fair' about their decision at all.


Theres 1000s of women only clubs all over the world , do you preach against that being sexist and unfair too?

[Jamie89]

Theres 1000s of women only clubs all over the world , do you preach against that being sexist and unfair too?

Yes I've said that a few times already in this thread.

[Kizzy]

Such as the WI and the WRVS? is this called the mens golf club? it's not a voluntary organisation, its a business.

[the truth]

Such as the WI and the WRVS? is this called the mens golf club? it's not a voluntary organisation, its a business.
no clubs , in sports , in businesses, social clubs, literally 1000s of women only clubs across the world

[Tom4784]

no clubs , in sports , in businesses, social clubs, literally 1000s of women only clubs across the world

Where's the stats to support this? Can you show me that there are more female only clubs then men?

The whole Business aspect is very much bull**** as there's a widely acknowledged lack of female executives and business leaders, there's often mention of boys' clubs in the business elite but special female only clubs? Not a thing.

As for social clubs, I can find more listings for men's clubs then I could for women's clubs.

Women's sports organisations get way less funding and spotlight in comparison to the male centric organisations so once again, you're talking nonsensical **** fuelled by your hatred of women.

[the truth]

double e standards: the sine qua non of misandry
February 23, 2012 By Pierce Harlan 113 Comments

Double standards lie at the heart of the injustices men and boys face for being born male. It’s the double standards that are most galling to us. Gender double standards have always been with us, but the women’s movement has served to underscore and even exacerbate them. I am no fan of generalizations, but I thought the following list would help illustrate the point.

We happily remove male role models from our sons’ lives, then when our sons behave badly, we blame patriarchy;
Stereotyping girls as inferior to boys in any facet of life is “misogyny.” Stereotyping boys as potential batterers and rapists is a public service announcement;
Boys are taught that they must never hit a girl, but they are given license to beat the crap out of other boys. Girls are taught boys must never hit a girl, and they are given license to beat the crap out of boys;
When girls were behind boys in educational achievement, people said the girls were just fine, the problem was with the schools. Now that boys are behind girls in every facet of educational achievement, people say the schools are just fine, the problem is with the boys;
Women criticize young men hesitant to marry as immature and afraid of commitment. When those same women later end their marriages because they aren’t feeling “fulfilled,” they say it’s because they have matured, but their own “commitment” is not at all pertinent to the issue;
A woman who tells her fiance that she wants to take time off from work when they have children is called a normal woman. A man who tells his fiance he wants to take time off from work when they have children is called an ex-fiance;
If a man wants sex more often than his wife is willing to give, he’s selfish. If a woman wants sex more often than her husband is willing to give, he’s selfish;
It is the mission of feminism to unshackle women so they can express their femininity in whatever manner they desire, and to shackle men so they can express their masculinity only in the manner feminists approve;
When dad in an intact family goes through tough financial times, the entire family tightens their belts and sacrifices together. When mom kicks dad out of the house and dad goes through tough financial times, no one needs to worry about tightening their belts any more — dad either comes up with the support money or he goes to jail;
People criticize men for not being actively involved in their children’s lives, but the minute they see a man they don’t know in the park with his own children, they call the cops;
Women seeking to enter the business world are afforded all manner of assistance to encourage them to own their own businesses. Men seeking to enter the domestic world as stay-at-home dads are afforded nothing from anyone, least of all encouragement;
Women have long insisted they are victims of discrimination that manifests itself in the “wage gap.” Now that young women earn more than their male counterparts in urban areas, women still insist they, not the males, are victims — because they can’t find mates who are their intellectual peers;
Women are told they should be free to explore sexuality in whatever manner they choose, yet feminists pen lengthy, angst-ridden screeds on whether it is proper for women to give blowjobs;
Women insisted on having equal access to every place men congregate, then after they gained admittance, they insisted on having “women-only” spaces because they say they are afraid of the men;
When women commit domestic violence, it’s called “self defense.” When men act in self-defense, it’s called domestic violence;
Man who hits his wife = felon; woman who cuts off her husband’s penis = feminist hero;
When a woman accuses a man of rape and he denies it, there are conflicting claims of criminality, yet only one is arrested; only one’s name is reported in the news for the world to titillate to his humiliation; only one is likely to be imprisoned if he’s convicted; and only one will have the accusation trail him like a ghost for the rest of his life even if it is false. Can you guess his gender?
We insist that women are at least as capable as men in every conceivable sphere of life — except the bedroom, where women are as helpless as the most distressed of Disney damsels and only men are responsible for the mutually tipsy sex she later regrets;
Women never lie about rape, except when they recant;
Men accused of rape are pathological liars, except when they confess;
Women who are raped must never be told they should have made better choices. Men falsely accused of rape routinely are told they should have made better choices, and sometimes they are told to apologize to their false accusers;
Young men are taught that they must ask for sex. When those same young men go to college, they are expelled if they have consensual sex but asked for it too much;
If a teen boy rapes a teen girl, he must be jailed and prosecuted as an adult. If a teen girl falsely accuses a teen boy of rape, it is “awful” to jail her, much less to prosecute her;
In college, if a student is accused of stealing another student’s pen, any disciplinary claim likely will be adjudicated under the stringent “clear and convincing” evidence standard. If a student is accused of the far more serious crime of rape, he will have the claim adjudicated under the “preponderance of the evidence” standard, the lowest in our jurisprudence;
When it comes to rape, everyone agrees one rape is one too many. When it comes to false rape claims, feminists turn into actuaries who declare that some false claims are acceptable because the risk to men is so low;
For men accused of rape, we defend humiliating practices such as “perp walks” because, we say, there should be no secrets in criminal matters. For rape accusers, we defend keeping secret the very identity of the person on whose shoulders the entire case rests;
Some countries pay women for claiming they’ve been sexually assaulted, even if they lie and no matter how slight their injuries. Those same countries do not pay men falsely accused of rape, even though they are telling the truth and no matter how great the harm to them;
Rape of women is a national crisis; rape of men in prison is a punchline;
We shame young men who would never harm a woman by insisting they must be “part of the solution” to end rape. If we tell young women they must be “part of the solution” to end rape just by being careful, that’s victim blaming;
When underage teens have consensual sex, usually only one is convicted as a statutory rapist and, upon his release, required to register as a sex offender. Can you guess his gender?
Men having sex with teen girls are viewed as the lowest form of life, and they are usually sent to prison for many years; women having sex with teen boys are seen as “mixed up” and any prison sentence they receive is far lighter than when the genders are reversed;
A teen girl who is statutorily raped can have an abortion if her rapist impregnates her. A teen boy who is statutorily raped will be forced to pay child support to his rapist if she decides to have the child. And if the boy doesn’t pay, he likely will receive a punishment his rapist did not receive — he will be jailed;
Women insist that males are undeservedly “privileged,” arrogating to themselves the right to define what “privileged” means.


In the current public discourse, the gender injustice most discussed is women’s “right” to have free birth control, paid for their employers. That injustice overshadows the following:

women outlive men in developed countries by five or more years; men have higher death rates for virtually all of the leading causes of death;
men are approximately 50% of the workforce but account for 93% of job related deaths;
males between 20 and 24 have a seven times greater rate of suicide than their female counterparts, and overall, men commit suicide at rates three to four times greater than women;
males are between 1.5 to 2 times more likely than females to be assaulted;
government funding for breast cancer research outpaces funding for prostate cancer research by nearly two to one even though prostate cancer and breast cancer have roughly the same caseload;
death among young men due to testicular cancer in the 15-34 age group outpaces the number of deaths from breast cancer among women in the same age group;
victims of war, both combatants and non-combatants, are more likely to be male;
responsible young men are legally charged considerably more for auto insurance than irresponsible young women, simply because they were born male, but gender differences for health care premiums are being outlawed in the US since women claimed they were discriminatory;
a woman who commits the same crime as a man will receive, on average, only a fraction of the sentence;
during FY 2009, 169,586 names and addresses of suspected violators of the duty to register with the Selective Service System were provided to the Department of Justice for possible investigation and prosecution for their failure to register, carrying a penalty up to five years in prison. Every name on the list was male — because young women are exempt from even registering

[the truth]

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jan/04/rise-single-sex-clubs-societies

[the truth]

women only - duplicated across the western world http://www.diversitybestpractices.com/news-articles/20-womens-organizations-you-need-know

[the truth]

https://www.worldpulse.com/en?gclid=CI7OnZTZ68wCFfEV0wodGwEMzA
the list is endless

[Tom4784]

double e standards: the sine qua non of misandry
February 23, 2012 By Pierce Harlan 113 Comments

Double standards lie at the heart of the injustices men and boys face for being born male. It’s the double standards that are most galling to us. Gender double standards have always been with us, but the women’s movement has served to underscore and even exacerbate them. I am no fan of generalizations, but I thought the following list would help illustrate the point.

We happily remove male role models from our sons’ lives, then when our sons behave badly, we blame patriarchy;
Stereotyping girls as inferior to boys in any facet of life is “misogyny.” Stereotyping boys as potential batterers and rapists is a public service announcement;
Boys are taught that they must never hit a girl, but they are given license to beat the crap out of other boys. Girls are taught boys must never hit a girl, and they are given license to beat the crap out of boys;
When girls were behind boys in educational achievement, people said the girls were just fine, the problem was with the schools. Now that boys are behind girls in every facet of educational achievement, people say the schools are just fine, the problem is with the boys;
Women criticize young men hesitant to marry as immature and afraid of commitment. When those same women later end their marriages because they aren’t feeling “fulfilled,” they say it’s because they have matured, but their own “commitment” is not at all pertinent to the issue;
A woman who tells her fiance that she wants to take time off from work when they have children is called a normal woman. A man who tells his fiance he wants to take time off from work when they have children is called an ex-fiance;
If a man wants sex more often than his wife is willing to give, he’s selfish. If a woman wants sex more often than her husband is willing to give, he’s selfish;
It is the mission of feminism to unshackle women so they can express their femininity in whatever manner they desire, and to shackle men so they can express their masculinity only in the manner feminists approve;
When dad in an intact family goes through tough financial times, the entire family tightens their belts and sacrifices together. When mom kicks dad out of the house and dad goes through tough financial times, no one needs to worry about tightening their belts any more — dad either comes up with the support money or he goes to jail;
People criticize men for not being actively involved in their children’s lives, but the minute they see a man they don’t know in the park with his own children, they call the cops;
Women seeking to enter the business world are afforded all manner of assistance to encourage them to own their own businesses. Men seeking to enter the domestic world as stay-at-home dads are afforded nothing from anyone, least of all encouragement;
Women have long insisted they are victims of discrimination that manifests itself in the “wage gap.” Now that young women earn more than their male counterparts in urban areas, women still insist they, not the males, are victims — because they can’t find mates who are their intellectual peers;
Women are told they should be free to explore sexuality in whatever manner they choose, yet feminists pen lengthy, angst-ridden screeds on whether it is proper for women to give blowjobs;
Women insisted on having equal access to every place men congregate, then after they gained admittance, they insisted on having “women-only” spaces because they say they are afraid of the men;
When women commit domestic violence, it’s called “self defense.” When men act in self-defense, it’s called domestic violence;
Man who hits his wife = felon; woman who cuts off her husband’s penis = feminist hero;
When a woman accuses a man of rape and he denies it, there are conflicting claims of criminality, yet only one is arrested; only one’s name is reported in the news for the world to titillate to his humiliation; only one is likely to be imprisoned if he’s convicted; and only one will have the accusation trail him like a ghost for the rest of his life even if it is false. Can you guess his gender?
We insist that women are at least as capable as men in every conceivable sphere of life — except the bedroom, where women are as helpless as the most distressed of Disney damsels and only men are responsible for the mutually tipsy sex she later regrets;
Women never lie about rape, except when they recant;
Men accused of rape are pathological liars, except when they confess;
Women who are raped must never be told they should have made better choices. Men falsely accused of rape routinely are told they should have made better choices, and sometimes they are told to apologize to their false accusers;
Young men are taught that they must ask for sex. When those same young men go to college, they are expelled if they have consensual sex but asked for it too much;
If a teen boy rapes a teen girl, he must be jailed and prosecuted as an adult. If a teen girl falsely accuses a teen boy of rape, it is “awful” to jail her, much less to prosecute her;
In college, if a student is accused of stealing another student’s pen, any disciplinary claim likely will be adjudicated under the stringent “clear and convincing” evidence standard. If a student is accused of the far more serious crime of rape, he will have the claim adjudicated under the “preponderance of the evidence” standard, the lowest in our jurisprudence;
When it comes to rape, everyone agrees one rape is one too many. When it comes to false rape claims, feminists turn into actuaries who declare that some false claims are acceptable because the risk to men is so low;
For men accused of rape, we defend humiliating practices such as “perp walks” because, we say, there should be no secrets in criminal matters. For rape accusers, we defend keeping secret the very identity of the person on whose shoulders the entire case rests;
Some countries pay women for claiming they’ve been sexually assaulted, even if they lie and no matter how slight their injuries. Those same countries do not pay men falsely accused of rape, even though they are telling the truth and no matter how great the harm to them;
Rape of women is a national crisis; rape of men in prison is a punchline;
We shame young men who would never harm a woman by insisting they must be “part of the solution” to end rape. If we tell young women they must be “part of the solution” to end rape just by being careful, that’s victim blaming;
When underage teens have consensual sex, usually only one is convicted as a statutory rapist and, upon his release, required to register as a sex offender. Can you guess his gender?
Men having sex with teen girls are viewed as the lowest form of life, and they are usually sent to prison for many years; women having sex with teen boys are seen as “mixed up” and any prison sentence they receive is far lighter than when the genders are reversed;
A teen girl who is statutorily raped can have an abortion if her rapist impregnates her. A teen boy who is statutorily raped will be forced to pay child support to his rapist if she decides to have the child. And if the boy doesn’t pay, he likely will receive a punishment his rapist did not receive — he will be jailed;
Women insist that males are undeservedly “privileged,” arrogating to themselves the right to define what “privileged” means.


In the current public discourse, the gender injustice most discussed is women’s “right” to have free birth control, paid for their employers. That injustice overshadows the following:

women outlive men in developed countries by five or more years; men have higher death rates for virtually all of the leading causes of death;
men are approximately 50% of the workforce but account for 93% of job related deaths;
males between 20 and 24 have a seven times greater rate of suicide than their female counterparts, and overall, men commit suicide at rates three to four times greater than women;
males are between 1.5 to 2 times more likely than females to be assaulted;
government funding for breast cancer research outpaces funding for prostate cancer research by nearly two to one even though prostate cancer and breast cancer have roughly the same caseload;
death among young men due to testicular cancer in the 15-34 age group outpaces the number of deaths from breast cancer among women in the same age group;
victims of war, both combatants and non-combatants, are more likely to be male;
responsible young men are legally charged considerably more for auto insurance than irresponsible young women, simply because they were born male, but gender differences for health care premiums are being outlawed in the US since women claimed they were discriminatory;
a woman who commits the same crime as a man will receive, on average, only a fraction of the sentence;
during FY 2009, 169,586 names and addresses of suspected violators of the duty to register with the Selective Service System were provided to the Department of Justice for possible investigation and prosecution for their failure to register, carrying a penalty up to five years in prison. Every name on the list was male — because young women are exempt from even registering

More wild self absorbed rantings that have nothing to do with the thread at hand. You have some real worrying issues and hatred towards women, I can only hope you sort them out eventually for the sake of any women who cross your path. I pity you, I honestly do.

The other articles you linked have no relevance to what I'm arguing against. Complaining about women's social clubs are silly when there are many more gentleman's clubs across the UK and you've ignored the counterargument I had against your business and sports point because you know your original argument was bull****.

[AnnieK]

More wild self absorbed rantings that have nothing to do with the thread at hand. You have some real worrying issues and hatred towards women, I can only hope you sort them out eventually for the sake of any women who cross your path. I pity you, I honestly do.

The other articles you linked have no relevance to what I'm arguing against. Complaining about women's social clubs are silly when there are many more gentleman's clubs across the UK and you've ignored the counterargument I had against your business and sports point because you know your original argument was bull****.


:clap2:

Working mens clubs still exist.
The Masons
So many others that still see women ad the "little woman" good enough to parade on a social night etc.etc.

For the record I believe there should be gender equality across the board but there isn't. ...yet.

[Johnnyuk123]

double e standards: the sine qua non of misandry
February 23, 2012 By Pierce Harlan 113 Comments

Double standards lie at the heart of the injustices men and boys face for being born male. It’s the double standards that are most galling to us. Gender double standards have always been with us, but the women’s movement has served to underscore and even exacerbate them. I am no fan of generalizations, but I thought the following list would help illustrate the point.

We happily remove male role models from our sons’ lives, then when our sons behave badly, we blame patriarchy;
Stereotyping girls as inferior to boys in any facet of life is “misogyny.” Stereotyping boys as potential batterers and rapists is a public service announcement;
Boys are taught that they must never hit a girl, but they are given license to beat the crap out of other boys. Girls are taught boys must never hit a girl, and they are given license to beat the crap out of boys;
When girls were behind boys in educational achievement, people said the girls were just fine, the problem was with the schools. Now that boys are behind girls in every facet of educational achievement, people say the schools are just fine, the problem is with the boys;
Women criticize young men hesitant to marry as immature and afraid of commitment. When those same women later end their marriages because they aren’t feeling “fulfilled,” they say it’s because they have matured, but their own “commitment” is not at all pertinent to the issue;
A woman who tells her fiance that she wants to take time off from work when they have children is called a normal woman. A man who tells his fiance he wants to take time off from work when they have children is called an ex-fiance;
If a man wants sex more often than his wife is willing to give, he’s selfish. If a woman wants sex more often than her husband is willing to give, he’s selfish;
It is the mission of feminism to unshackle women so they can express their femininity in whatever manner they desire, and to shackle men so they can express their masculinity only in the manner feminists approve;
When dad in an intact family goes through tough financial times, the entire family tightens their belts and sacrifices together. When mom kicks dad out of the house and dad goes through tough financial times, no one needs to worry about tightening their belts any more — dad either comes up with the support money or he goes to jail;
People criticize men for not being actively involved in their children’s lives, but the minute they see a man they don’t know in the park with his own children, they call the cops;
Women seeking to enter the business world are afforded all manner of assistance to encourage them to own their own businesses. Men seeking to enter the domestic world as stay-at-home dads are afforded nothing from anyone, least of all encouragement;
Women have long insisted they are victims of discrimination that manifests itself in the “wage gap.” Now that young women earn more than their male counterparts in urban areas, women still insist they, not the males, are victims — because they can’t find mates who are their intellectual peers;
Women are told they should be free to explore sexuality in whatever manner they choose, yet feminists pen lengthy, angst-ridden screeds on whether it is proper for women to give blowjobs;
Women insisted on having equal access to every place men congregate, then after they gained admittance, they insisted on having “women-only” spaces because they say they are afraid of the men;
When women commit domestic violence, it’s called “self defense.” When men act in self-defense, it’s called domestic violence;
Man who hits his wife = felon; woman who cuts off her husband’s penis = feminist hero;
When a woman accuses a man of rape and he denies it, there are conflicting claims of criminality, yet only one is arrested; only one’s name is reported in the news for the world to titillate to his humiliation; only one is likely to be imprisoned if he’s convicted; and only one will have the accusation trail him like a ghost for the rest of his life even if it is false. Can you guess his gender?
We insist that women are at least as capable as men in every conceivable sphere of life — except the bedroom, where women are as helpless as the most distressed of Disney damsels and only men are responsible for the mutually tipsy sex she later regrets;
Women never lie about rape, except when they recant;
Men accused of rape are pathological liars, except when they confess;
Women who are raped must never be told they should have made better choices. Men falsely accused of rape routinely are told they should have made better choices, and sometimes they are told to apologize to their false accusers;
Young men are taught that they must ask for sex. When those same young men go to college, they are expelled if they have consensual sex but asked for it too much;
If a teen boy rapes a teen girl, he must be jailed and prosecuted as an adult. If a teen girl falsely accuses a teen boy of rape, it is “awful” to jail her, much less to prosecute her;
In college, if a student is accused of stealing another student’s pen, any disciplinary claim likely will be adjudicated under the stringent “clear and convincing” evidence standard. If a student is accused of the far more serious crime of rape, he will have the claim adjudicated under the “preponderance of the evidence” standard, the lowest in our jurisprudence;
When it comes to rape, everyone agrees one rape is one too many. When it comes to false rape claims, feminists turn into actuaries who declare that some false claims are acceptable because the risk to men is so low;
For men accused of rape, we defend humiliating practices such as “perp walks” because, we say, there should be no secrets in criminal matters. For rape accusers, we defend keeping secret the very identity of the person on whose shoulders the entire case rests;
Some countries pay women for claiming they’ve been sexually assaulted, even if they lie and no matter how slight their injuries. Those same countries do not pay men falsely accused of rape, even though they are telling the truth and no matter how great the harm to them;
Rape of women is a national crisis; rape of men in prison is a punchline;
We shame young men who would never harm a woman by insisting they must be “part of the solution” to end rape. If we tell young women they must be “part of the solution” to end rape just by being careful, that’s victim blaming;
When underage teens have consensual sex, usually only one is convicted as a statutory rapist and, upon his release, required to register as a sex offender. Can you guess his gender?
Men having sex with teen girls are viewed as the lowest form of life, and they are usually sent to prison for many years; women having sex with teen boys are seen as “mixed up” and any prison sentence they receive is far lighter than when the genders are reversed;
A teen girl who is statutorily raped can have an abortion if her rapist impregnates her. A teen boy who is statutorily raped will be forced to pay child support to his rapist if she decides to have the child. And if the boy doesn’t pay, he likely will receive a punishment his rapist did not receive — he will be jailed;
Women insist that males are undeservedly “privileged,” arrogating to themselves the right to define what “privileged” means.


In the current public discourse, the gender injustice most discussed is women’s “right” to have free birth control, paid for their employers. That injustice overshadows the following:

women outlive men in developed countries by five or more years; men have higher death rates for virtually all of the leading causes of death;
men are approximately 50% of the workforce but account for 93% of job related deaths;
males between 20 and 24 have a seven times greater rate of suicide than their female counterparts, and overall, men commit suicide at rates three to four times greater than women;
males are between 1.5 to 2 times more likely than females to be assaulted;
government funding for breast cancer research outpaces funding for prostate cancer research by nearly two to one even though prostate cancer and breast cancer have roughly the same caseload;
death among young men due to testicular cancer in the 15-34 age group outpaces the number of deaths from breast cancer among women in the same age group;
victims of war, both combatants and non-combatants, are more likely to be male;
responsible young men are legally charged considerably more for auto insurance than irresponsible young women, simply because they were born male, but gender differences for health care premiums are being outlawed in the US since women claimed they were discriminatory;
a woman who commits the same crime as a man will receive, on average, only a fraction of the sentence;
during FY 2009, 169,586 names and addresses of suspected violators of the duty to register with the Selective Service System were provided to the Department of Justice for possible investigation and prosecution for their failure to register, carrying a penalty up to five years in prison. Every name on the list was male — because young women are exempt from even registering

Outstanding!
:clap1::clap1::clap1::worship::worship::worship:

[Cherie]

:laugh: this thread

[the truth]

More wild self absorbed rantings that have nothing to do with the thread at hand. You have some real worrying issues and hatred towards women, I can only hope you sort them out eventually for the sake of any women who cross your path. I pity you, I honestly do.

The other articles you linked have no relevance to what I'm arguing against. Complaining about women's social clubs are silly when there are many more gentleman's clubs across the UK and you've ignored the counterargument I had against your business and sports point because you know your original argument was bull****.

more biased ignorant misandrist abuse and of course nothing constructive at all:nono:

[the truth]

:clap2:

Working mens clubs still exist.
The Masons
So many others that still see women ad the "little woman" good enough to parade on a social night etc.etc.

For the record I believe there should be gender equality across the board but there isn't. ...yet.

eh? working mens clubs have men and women as members, theyre almost extinct anyway
women have had their own freemasons for over 100 years

there isn't equality as there is vastly more sexism against men as this thread proves

[Livia]

I'd like to see some female entrepreneurs pick this up and run with it. A female only golf club, if that's the way you want it boys.

And thetruth... please knock it off with the man-hating sh1t. Sometimes, as much as I love the boys, its nice to be in the company of women. I'm sure the same is true for men - in fact I'm positive it is. But a golf club that's made money from hosting an international tournament is completely different. Maybe you should speak to someone about your hatred of women... it can't be good for you, in fact it makes you look hysterical, and it's definitely not good for women.

[joeysteele]

I'd like to see some female entrepreneurs pick this up and run with it. A female only golf club, if that's the way you want it boys.

And thetruth... please knock it off with the man-hating sh1t. Sometimes, as much as I love the boys, its nice to be in the company of women. I'm sure the same is true for men - in fact I'm positive it is. But a golf club that's made money from hosting an international tournament is completely different. Maybe you should speak to someone about your hatred of women... it can't be good for you, in fact it makes you look hysterical, and it's definitely not good for women.

I am surprised that hasn't come about yet,good points you make.

Excellent overall post Livia.

[_Tom_]

Plenty already do exist. I already gave you a couple links a page or so ago. Perhaps a trip to Specsavers this arvo? :idc:

[_Tom_]

I am surprised that hasn't come about yet

http://i.imgur.com/7wX3WH4.png

:idc:

"Formby Ladies' Golf Club, founded in 1896, is situated at the heart of “England’s Golf Coast”. It is a unique ladies only members club..."

[Tom4784]

more biased ignorant misandrist abuse and of course nothing constructive at all:nono:

I'm not saying anything you haven't said to me.

Nothing you have EVER said has been constructive. It's all made up numbers and 'facts' and a desperation to be oppressed. You aren't oppressed, accept it. No matter what you're going through, your life would probably be worse off if you were female, not straight and not white. To see you whine about being discriminated again.

Everything I've stated has been based on reality. There are more gentleman's clubs and soceities then there are for women. I doubt there's any female only golf clubs. Women aren't a common sight in the higher echelons of business and that sector is often seen as a boys club and finally, female sports clubs and teams don't get the same recognition or funding as the men's ones.

[_Tom_]

I keep posting examples showing that there ARE female-only golf clubs which keeps being ignored :facepalm:

[Tom4784]

I keep posting that there examples that there ARE female-only golf clubs which keeps being ignored :facepalm:

Congratulations, you found ONE.

[_Tom_]

Congratulations, you found ONE.

Two, actually. And they were the first ones to come up on Google, there's plenty more. At least we've gone from "there are no female-only golf clubs" to now accepting that there are. :idc:

[Tom4784]

Two, actually. And they were the first ones to come up on Google, there's plenty more. At least we've gone from "there are no female-only golf clubs" to now accepting that there are. :idc:

A worthless victory that ignores the fact that there are more men's clubs then there are women's so it's silly to argue that women's clubs are this massive problem when men's clubs are more widespread. You are ignoring the bigger picture in a desperate attempt to score points that no one else cares enough about to keep track of.

[Cherie]

I'd like to see some female entrepreneurs pick this up and run with it. A female only golf club, if that's the way you want it boys.



The point is no one is stopping them, but you can bet the very people who are whinging about men only clubs would be whooping and hollering and clapping about it :joker:



[QUOTE=_Tom_;8660572]Plenty already do exist. I already gave you a couple links a page or so ago. Perhaps a trip to Specsavers this arvo? :idc:


Selective post blindness I call it

[Crimson Dynamo]

The thing is the ban is a blessing in disguise as frankly the course is way too tough for women golfers

[joeysteele]

I keep posting examples showing that there ARE female-only golf clubs which keeps being ignored :facepalm:

I have noticed your post and you are right.
However Formby does welcome male golfers too,not as members, and also Formby is unlikely to be in or want to be in the running for International major tournaments.

In the growing demand for Golf and more and more international tournaments likely too,it is backward looking for Muirhead, the club on this thread, to hopefully want to host major tournaments while still voting to keep women out.

Yes, however, I acknowledge your finds.

[_Tom_]

A worthless victory that ignores the fact that there are more men's clubs then there are women's so it's silly to argue that women's clubs are this massive problem when men's clubs are more widespread. You are ignoring the bigger picture in a desperate attempt to score points that no one else cares enough about to keep track of.

What's with all this 'victory/scoring points' nonsense :umm2: I'm only reinforming facts

It may be there's more men's clubs than women's clubs - that isn't the argument. It's that women-only clubs do in fact exist so this faux fury that has became headline news about a private club not having female golfers is rubbish. I'm not arguing that women's clubs are a 'massive problem', I'm just saying that they do in fact exist.

[Tom4784]

I have noticed your post and you are right.
However Formby does welcome male golfers too,not as members, and also Formby is unlikely to be in or want to be in the running for International major tournaments.

In the growing demand for Golf and more and more international tournaments likely too,it is backward looking for Muirhead, the club on this thread, to hopefully want to host major tournaments while still voting to keep women out.


Exactly.

[Tom4784]

What's with all this 'victory/scoring points' nonsense :umm2: I'm only reinforming facts

It may be there's more men's clubs than women's clubs - that isn't the argument. It's that women-only clubs do in fact exist so this faux fury that has became headline news about a private club not having female golfers is rubbish. I'm not arguing that women's clubs are a 'massive problem', I'm just saying that they do in fact exist.

Well no.

It was never about the fact that Men's and Women's clubs exist. I said early on that they can do what they like but they can't expect to make event money if they aren't inclusive.

It was Truth projectile vomitting his misogyny all over the thread that turned it into a Men's Clubs vs Women's Clubs thing and in that argument, if you're going to argue that Women's clubs are a problem like Truth did (along with all the other SILLY things he said) then it's foolish since men's clubs outnumber women's clubs significantly.

Saying that women's clubs exist is just stating the obvious for no good reason.

[Cherie]

There's loads of womenly only clubs and institutions. Radical liberalism and radical feminism, biased hypocritical divisive sexist double standards

Bunch of old fools, I do hope other championships will also boycott them.



List them.

You asked for a list so it's not for no good reason :laugh:

[_Tom_]

Well no.

It was never about the fact that Men's and Women's clubs exist. I said early on that they can do what they like but they can't expect to make event money if they aren't inclusive.

It was Truth projectile vomitting his misogyny all over the thread that turned it into a Men's Clubs vs Women's Clubs thing and in that argument, if you're going to argue that Women's clubs are a problem like Truth did (along with all the other SILLY things he said) then it's foolish since men's clubs outnumber women's clubs significantly.

Saying that women's clubs exist is just stating the obvious for no good reason.

Well no.

It was about whether women-only clubs exist. On the first page you were asking for the names of female-only clubs. Then you were questioning the existence of female-only golf clubs. Both were proven.

[_Tom_]

You asked for a list so it's not for no good reason :laugh:

Exactly :joker:

[Tom4784]

Well no.

It was about whether women-only clubs exist. On the first page you were asking for the names of female-only clubs. Then you were questioning the existence of female-only golf clubs. Both were proven.

In response to the Truth who said there was plenty of female only golf clubs. You managed to name one which contradicts The Truth's statement that there are plenty of female only golf clubs.

[Cherie]

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/03/business/womens-only-private-members-clubs/

Five of the best women-only private members clubs

.

[Kizzy]

Are any of those international sporting venues? I think we've established there are male/female social/voluntary groups.
As for 'whooping and hollering' personally I wouldn't, should the situation be reversed, it would be a step backwards not forwards.

[the truth]

In response to the Truth who said there was plenty of female only golf clubs. You managed to name one which contradicts The Truth's statement that there are plenty of female only golf clubs.

I did NOT say specifically golf clubs, that is simply untrue I said clubs and organizations across the world. There are 1000s fo womens only institutions why are they allowed if mens are not? 100% double standards and hypocrisy

[Tom4784]

I did NOT say specifically golf clubs, that is simply untrue I said clubs and organizations across the world. There are 1000s fo womens only institutions why are they allowed if mens are not? 100% double standards and hypocrisy

This is a thread about a Golf Club with antiquated rules not being able to make money from all inclusive events because of those rules. Nobody would care otherwise (as stated in the thread) except you because you look for reasons to hate women because you blame them for your own shortcomings. You made it about all Women's clubs and how women are the devil with your bloated numbers and articles written by men who are angry that they've only got an inch to work with.

Gentleman's clubs and women's clubs can operate however they want but the point is that they can't make money from inclusive events if they aren't willing to be inclusive themselves.

[Cherie]

This s going out for another vote :D:

[bots]

The golf club should have equal rights for ferrets :fist:

[Niamh.]

The golf club should have equal rights for ferrets :fist:

Yes men/women equal rights may as well include equal rights for Ferrets too, I see where you're coming from :worry: