Would you house a family of refugees

[Beso]

If it came down to it would you be willing to house a family or a couple of refugees for a week/month/year?

[Marsh.]

No. There's barely enough room for me. :unsure:

[Liberty4eva]

Seriously, is anyone going to say yes to this question? No one, not even the liberal elites, would house them. But they expect society to do which is why I despise them.

[DemolitionRed]

No but only because we live on a boat and its not big enough for a second family.

[Cherie]

In all honesty no not in my home

[Cherie]

No. There's barely enough room for me. :unsure:

You could move out

[Denver]

They can sleep in the shed in my neighbours garden

[arista]

No
no room

[arista]

They can sleep in the shed in my neighbours garden



They would , as well

[Livia]

How about our own homeless? Anyone willing to home them? There are plenty of people living on the streets of countless towns and cities. Some are British servicemen who through mental health issues, have found themselves on the street. In fact, plenty of our homeless have mental health issues. We are already contributing heavily to the UN and other organisations helping refugees. I suppose it's just not so fashionable to want to house our own people in need.

No, I would not be willing to house refugees. I might be willing to help a homeless person who needs somewhere to live to get back on their feet... and I already support Shelter.

[arista]

How about our own homeless? Anyone willing to home them? There are plenty of people living on the streets of countless towns and cities. Some are British servicemen who through mental health issues, have found themselves on the street. In fact, plenty of our homeless have mental health issues. We are already contributing heavily to the UN and other organisations helping refugees. I suppose it's just not so fashionable to want to house our own people in need.

No, I would not be willing to house refugees. I might be willing to help a homeless person who needs somewhere to live to get back on their feet... and I already support Shelter.



Yes they do not care for Our Homeless

[Will.]

They can sleep in the shed in my neighbours garden

Me

[_Tom_]

No.

Why should our homeless, of which one in 10 are ex-service people go to the back of the queue?

[Niamh.]

Honestly no, I would never put my kids at risk by allowing a bunch of strangers live with us :/

[Firewire]

No...

[RichardG]

Of course not, I wouldn't let any stranger of any nationality into my house as that would be silly

[DemolitionRed]

No.

Why should our homeless, of which one in 10 are ex-service people go to the back of the queue?

But are we going to offer our homes to homeless ex service people?

[Ammi]

..possibly I would for short terms..we have had people stay with us several times in the past for short stays..(not refugees as such..)..but people from war torn countries..mainly children but some adults as well who they've been familiar with and on a specific programme, through close friends, type thing...I wouldn't just randomly 'home' someone that I didn't know though...

[Crimson Dynamo]

I could take a women in but she would have to work?

[user104658]

Honestly no, I would never put my kids at risk by allowing a bunch of strangers live with us :/
Exactly; I wouldn't give any stranger no matter who they are free access to my home, because I have children to consider. If it was just me, and I had the space, then yes I would temporarily home people.

This isn't the same as saying "just send anyone and that's fine" - I'd want to meet them first, as I would anyone that I was going to share a roof with.


By the way... If we start talking about our own homelessness problem it's really not a simple issue. The majority of homelessness is tightly wrapped up with addiction and mental health issues and most people are not equipped to take something like that on. We have, however, considered the idea of fostering teens with nowhere to go once our own are grown up. It seems fairly uikely now, though, with the likelihood that my youngest will be living with us permanently.

[Shaun]

I assume this thread was meant to argue against the number of refugees coming into the country (which is a bit like desperately screaming "DO YOU WORK AT SOUP KITCHENS????" at anyone who so much as asks for tackling poverty)...

Nobody here would let any stranger live in their home with them. Interestingly in countries like Pakistan it's almost common practice and hospitality outweighs inconvenience/awkward boundaries.

[Tom4784]

I assume this thread was meant to argue against the number of refugees coming into the country (which is a bit like desperately screaming "DO YOU WORK AT SOUP KITCHENS????" at anyone who so much as asks for tackling poverty)...

Nobody here would let any stranger live in their home with them. Interestingly in countries like Pakistan it's almost common practice and hospitality outweighs inconvenience/awkward boundaries.

Exactly.

Also got to laugh at the idea of homeless people being 'put at the back of the queue' as someone suggested. It's not like the government sit around and say 'hmm, shall we help the homeless or refugees this year? WE CAN ONLY DO ONE! Okay, lets go with the refugees. Okay, next order of business, increase benefits for unemployed single mothers WITH MIXED RACE CHILDREN or give aid to injured ex soldiers that are down on their luck. Decisions Decisions!

[Kazanne]

How about our own homeless? Anyone willing to home them? There are plenty of people living on the streets of countless towns and cities. Some are British servicemen who through mental health issues, have found themselves on the street. In fact, plenty of our homeless have mental health issues. We are already contributing heavily to the UN and other organisations helping refugees. I suppose it's just not so fashionable to want to house our own people in need.

No, I would not be willing to house refugees. I might be willing to help a homeless person who needs somewhere to live to get back on their feet... and I already support Shelter.

:worship::clap1: Well said

[joeysteele]

..possibly I would for short terms..we have had people stay with us several times in the past for short stays..(not refugees as such..)..but people from war torn countries..mainly children but some adults as well who they've been familiar with and on a specific programme, through close friends, type thing...I wouldn't just randomly 'home' someone that I didn't know though...

This for me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

how would we decide what a refugee is, most that I see on t' telly are young men aged 18-24?

:suspect:

[Tom4784]

how would we decide what a refugee is, most that I see on t' telly are young men aged 18-24?

:suspect:

Because it benefits the media to agitate the easily led by presenting refugees as untrustworthy scroungers trying to cheat the system, at least until the next child washes up dead on a beach and then the media will be forced to treat them like human beings for a few weeks until they can go back to baiting the casual racists.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because it benefits the media to agitate the easily led by presenting refugees as untrustworthy scroungers trying to cheat the system, at least until the next child washes up dead on a beach and then the media will be forced to treat them like human beings for a few weeks until they can go back to baiting the casual racists.

No I am talking about who i see when the telly tells me all these people are refugees

they all (mostly) appear to be young men aged 18-24?

[Tom4784]

No I am talking about who i see when the telly tells me all these people are refugees

they all (mostly) appear to be young men aged 18-24?

Because pointing the camera at families, the elderly and the needy doesn't suit the story they want to tell.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because pointing the camera at families, the elderly and the needy doesn't suit the story they want to tell.


surely the BBC are not at this trick?

[Nicky91]

No, i would really feel uncomfortable around refugees :hehe:

[bots]

No I am talking about who i see when the telly tells me all these people are refugees

they all (mostly) appear to be young men aged 18-24?

the 18-24 age group are the most likely group not to have anything to leave behind, so its easy to leave. In a war or not, once you have a family, a house, friends and work ... you don't tend to throw it all away and leave, no matter what the circumstances are

[smudgie]

No.arent they all given somewhere to live once they are declared refugees?
Middlesbrough has streets full of refugees.:shrug:
I would like to see these unfortunate people intergrated amongst the more well off boroughs as well thank you very much.

[Northern Monkey]

The media are definately not conspiring to make the refugees look bad.They have covered up or not reported and ignored all the blatant hooliganism and destruction of fences,trains,barriers etc that these 'refugees' have perpetrated so as not to paint them in a bad light.Nobody has a clue how many of these migrants are genuine refugees.People are pouring into Europe from all over the middle east and Africa.Some of them paying big money to people traffickers.They are all getting mixed up together.

[Crimson Dynamo]

the 18-24 age group are the most likely group not to have anything to leave behind, so its easy to leave. In a war or not, once you have a family, a house, friends and work ... you don't tend to throw it all away and leave, no matter what the circumstances are

so they are not strictly refugees in the true sense?

[DemolitionRed]

Its the young men who are in the most danger. All the terrorist groups are looking for new recruits on a daily basis. Not everyone believes in the cause or wants to take part in the fighting but if they hang around in Syria, they likely have two choices...join the fighters and prepare to die for our cause or die as a traitor.

[bots]

so they are not strictly refugees in the true sense?

yes they are ... but as in anything, some people are in a better position to leave everything behind than others. If I was a refugee, i wouldn't leave without my complete family with me. For the majority of young men, this is no problem, they only need to worry about themselves.

[Tom4784]

surely the BBC are not at this trick?

It's a TV station at the end of the day, it's primary function is to attract viewers and the UK isn't supportive of refugees and immigrants so the BBC and any other news program hoping to reach a large audience will present the news in a way that appeals to that audience. All news caters to it's target audience, it's naive to think otherwise.

[Tom4784]

Its the young men who are in the most danger. All the terrorist groups are looking for new recruits on a daily basis. Not everyone believes in the cause or wants to take part in the fighting but if they hang around in Syria, they likely have two choices...join the fighters and prepare to die for our cause or die as a traitor.

That's an excellent point.

[Glenn.]

Would I be able to use them as help? Like cleaners and stuff?

[user104658]

the 18-24 age group are the most likely group not to have anything to leave behind, so its easy to leave. In a war or not, once you have a family, a house, friends and work ... you don't tend to throw it all away and leave, no matter what the circumstances are

Yes, this, young solo males are the least likely to have any concerns about leaving things behind and also are both A) The most likely to be willing to take the risk in the belief that they will make it and B) legitimately the most likely to be in a strong enough physical condition to successfully undertake the journey.

Also there's often an expense involved in undertaking it, and a whole family will pull together to send one or two people in the hopes that they can get set up somewhere and then the rest (children, etc.) will be able to join them later when they have somewhere safe to go. If you had a family of 20 pulling together resources to send just a couple of people out into the world, who would you choose? There are VERY OBVIOUS, logical, and not at all sinister reasons that most of the people in these surging crowds of refugees are young, physically fit males.

[Livia]

Yes, this, young solo males are the least likely to have any concerns about leaving things behind and also are both A) The most likely to be willing to take the risk in the belief that they will make it and B) legitimately the most likely to be in a strong enough physical condition to successfully undertake the journey.

Also there's often an expense involved in undertaking it, and a whole family will pull together to send one or two people in the hopes that they can get set up somewhere and then the rest (children, etc.) will be able to join them later when they have somewhere safe to go. If you had a family of 20 pulling together resources to send just a couple of people out into the world, who would you choose? There are VERY OBVIOUS, logical, and not at all sinister reasons that most of the people in these surging crowds of refugees are young, physically fit males.

And, of course, in most of the countries from which they are fleeing don't hold women in very high esteem anyway. I'm sure there are just as many fit young women without a family who would be willing to make the journey but... no.

[user104658]

And, of course, in most of the countries from which they are fleeing don't hold women in very high esteem anyway. I'm sure there are just as many fit young women without a family who would be willing to make the journey but... no.
Well that's true and not at the same time. Because females are somewhat repressed in these societies, most wouldn't have the confidence or competence to undertake something like that alone.

Let's not pretend that that's reason enough to condemn them though; the same would have been true in this country less than a century ago.

[Beso]

Exactly.

Also got to laugh at the idea of homeless people being 'put at the back of the queue' as someone suggested. It's not like the government sit around and say 'hmm, shall we help the homeless or refugees this year? WE CAN ONLY DO ONE! Okay, lets go with the refugees. Okay, next order of business, increase benefits for unemployed single mothers WITH MIXED RACE CHILDREN or give aid to injured ex soldiers that are down on their luck. Decisions Decisions!

:joker:

[Marsh.]

You could move out

Are you asking me to move in with you? :amazed:

[Livia]

Well that's true and not at the same time. Because females are somewhat repressed in these societies, most wouldn't have the confidence or competence to undertake something like that alone.

Let's not pretend that that's reason enough to condemn them though; the same would have been true in this country less than a century ago.

Well, I don't agree with your premise that all these young men are fleeing from IS. Most of those at Calais for instance, Drawing comparisons between women in this country a century ago and women in the Middle East now is not a flyer, I'm afraid. No comparison can be drawn in my opinion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Would I be able to use them as help? Like cleaners and stuff?

This was my point, they would need to work, i have plenty work for a strong woman in her 20s. Not one on her bloody phone all day - like a Russian woman: a worker who wants to put in a 12 hour shift and be happy with minimum wage and bed and board

or bed and board and the fact she wont be shot, save on the wages.

[Denver]

This was my point, they would need to work, i have plenty work for a strong woman in her 20s. Not one on her bloody phone all day - like a Russian woman: a worker who wants to put in a 12 hour shift and be happy with minimum wage and bed and board

or bed and board and the fact she wont be shot, save on the wages.

Not LT looking for a cheap prozzy :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not LT looking for a cheap prozzy :nono:

:nono:

No i would never with a girl in her twenties: I want a hard worker who can mend my dry stane dyke and be able to ride a lawnmower with confidence. Plus be able to cook and make sure my work surfaces are free from crumbs, especially around my toaster.

[Cherie]

Are you asking me to move in with you? :amazed:

Yes :flutter: shall we say next Monday :amazed:

[Cherie]

:nono:

No i would never with a girl in her twenties: I want a hard worker who can mend my dry stane dyke and be able to ride a lawnmower with confidence. Plus be able to cook and make sure my work surfaces are free from crumbs, especially around my toaster.

Kizzy?

[user104658]

I want a hard worker who can mend my dry stane dyke.

Its nothing to be ashamed of LT; sometimes it's just a bit of anxiety. But you should really look into it, as it can also be caused by high cholesterol or even be an indicator of prostate problems. If all else fails... It's a pill you need, not a Russian prozza :nono:. Russian women are harsh, she'll just shame you for your failures.

[Marsh.]

:nono:

No i would never with a girl in her twenties: I want a hard worker who can mend my dry stane dyke and be able to ride a lawnmower with confidence. Plus be able to cook and make sure my work surfaces are free from crumbs, especially around my toaster.

Kizzy?

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its nothing to be ashamed of LT; sometimes it's just a bit of anxiety. But you should really look into it, as it can also be caused by high cholesterol or even be an indicator of prostate problems. If all else fails... It's a pill you need, not a Russian prozza :nono:. Russian women are harsh, she'll just shame you for your failures.

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kizzy?

if you could forward me a cv with a recent photo i will get back to you forthwith

Also thankyou for your application, can i ask if you have another more recent photo (did you really get second in Miss Isle of Man 1984? - props to you)


:smug:

[user104658]

if you could forward me a cv with a recent photo i will get back to you forthwith

Also thankyou for your application, can i ask if you have another more recent photo (did you really get second in Miss Isle of Man 1984? - props to you)


:smug:
I've Googled it LT and it was actually a little known competition called Miss "I Love Men" 1984. The printing press who originally subtitled the picture you saw were told the name of the competition over the phone, and it was misheard.

Ive seen video footage of the competition and I'm going to be honest - it is brutal. Annabel Chong territory.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've Googled it LT and it was actually a little known competition called Miss "I Love Men" 1984. The printing press who originally subtitled the picture you saw were told the name of the competition over the phone, and it was misheard.

Ive seen video footage of the competition and I'm going to be honest - it is brutal. Annabel Chong territory.

Not Cherie's film career being exposed on Tibb :omgno:



Here for the Betamax of "Every hole's a goal" turning up on ebay

[Livia]

That lad on Britain's Got Talent last night... the Eastern European one on the pole swallowing knives. If he's a refugee I'd take him in for the weekend.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That lad on Britain's Got Talent last night... the Eastern European one on the pole swallowing knives. If he's a refugee I'd take him in for the weekend.

with his ability to swallow long hard objects I am sure he would have a few Tibb offers

[Livia]

with his ability to swallow long hard objects I am sure he would have a few Tibb offers

You've a mind like a Highland railway. One track and filthy.

[the truth]

no. ive collected money for them and I suggest that money goes to Syria and to rebuilding their infrastructure, fighting for peace there and rehousing the most vulnerable, especially children to western countries. I also think some of the money should go to patrolling borders. id also encourage all eu leaders to scrap Schengen and fight to regulate and reduce major arms dealings to the middle east

[Livia]

no. ive collected money for them and I suggest that money goes to Syria and to rebuilding their infrastructure, fighting for peace there and rehousing the most vulnerable, especially children to western countries. I also think some of the money should go to patrolling borders. id also encourage all eu leaders to scrap Schengen and fight to regulate and reduce major arms dealings to the middle east

That'd just open up the market for China. Or Russia. Ceasing exports would do nothing to alleviate violence. They'd just buy their guns from somewhere else. If an embargo on weapons exists it would have to be a global thing.

[user104658]

That'd just open up the market for China. Or Russia. Ceasing exports would do nothing to alleviate violence. They'd just buy their guns from somewhere else. If an embargo on weapons exists it would have to be a global thing.

Yeah they're going to get their weapons somewhere - we might as well make some $$$$ off of them, right? :shrug:

That's how dealers morally justify selling smack to teens when one of them OD's, Livia. Literally. I've heard them.

[bots]

you cant not sell something to a country on the basis that they may or may not use them inappropriately in 2 or 3 decades time.

The countries that we sell arms to are legitimate customers across the world. Someone selling drugs on the street is a stupid comparison

[DemolitionRed]

you cant not sell something to a country on the basis that they may or may not use them inappropriately in 2 or 3 decades time.

The countries that we sell arms to are legitimate customers across the world. Someone selling drugs on the street is a stupid comparison

They are selling them during conflict and so they know those weapons are inappropriate.

I think TS made a good comparison. They are both corrupt and deadly.

[Amy Jade]

My mum let an Italian student stay here for 2 weeks last year because of problems with his residents or something, she knows his mum though so it's not like he was a stranger.

[Livia]

Yeah they're going to get their weapons somewhere - we might as well make some $$$$ off of them, right? :shrug:

That's how dealers morally justify selling smack to teens when one of them OD's, Livia. Literally. I've heard them.

Not you disagreeing with me again TS. Are you on some kind of mission?

What I actually said was, " If an embargo on weapons exists it would have to be a global thing". I made it bold so you don't miss it this time, Blind Pew.