Sharon Osbourne blasted for saying Maddie McCann's parents were "insane" to leave her

[Niamh.]

:clap2: Too right Sharon

Who is she facing "backlash" from though, most people seem to agree with her as far as I've read :think:

Sharon Osbourne is facing a backlash for "ignorant" comments made on her US chat show, in which she called Madeleine McCann's parents "insane" for leaving their daughter alone.

The former X Factor judge was discussing a Mumsnet thread which asked if it was ever acceptable to leave young children unsupervised, when she made critical comments clearly directed at Madeleine's devastated parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.

Speaking on her CBS show The Talk on Friday, Osbourne, 63, said: "I will tell you a very quick story.

"There was a husband and wife on holiday in Portugal.

“They left their baby in the room sleeping, sleeping while they went to dinner in the restaurant.

“While they were in the resort their baby was taken.

"And it is like, ‘Oh but we can see everything that is going on’ and it is, like, insane.”

Madeleine disappeared from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007.

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She has never been found despite her parents' repeated public appeals for information and countless police investigations.

A family friend reported in The Mirror said Osbourne's comments had hurt the McCanns.

They said: “It’s very *disappointing when someone with such a high profile makes this sort of *ignorant, ill-informed comment.

“She should think about the effect it could have on Madeleine’s brother and sister, as well as the wider family.

“It’s based on ignorance of the true facts. While she’s entitled to her view she should keep it to herself.”

At the time of Maddie's disappearance on May 3, just days before her fourth birthday, her parents were having dinner with friends at the holiday resort's tapas restaurant, approximately 50 metres from their apartment.

The group had been taking turns to check on their sleeping children before Kate discovered Maddie had been taken at about 10pm.

The couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, have since admitted they remain wracked with guilt over her abduction and have expressed regret about not using the resort's in-house babysitting service.

In an interview to mark the first anniversary of her disappearance, Gerry said: "We made a mistake, but we are paying more for it than anyone could ever possibly imagine.

"Hindsight has proven we made a mistake and we would never leave the children again."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672649/Sharon-Osbourne-ignorant-Maddie-McCann-parents-insane

[Crimson Dynamo]

If I am looking for parenting advice, Sharon is my go to gal...


:umm2:

[Niamh.]

If I am looking for parenting advice, Sharon is my go to gal...


:umm2:

pretty solid advice if you ask me, do you disagree with her? :shrug:

[the truth]

im not keen on here, but shes 1000% right on this one.theyre insane. its worse they left all their kids unattended in a ofreign country with a window or door left open?

[Crimson Dynamo]

pretty solid advice if you ask me, do you disagree with her? :shrug:

I think she should try and understand that an abductor took the child

[Niamh.]

im not keen on here, but shes 1000% right on this one.theyre insane. its worse they left all their kids unattended in a ofreign country with a window or door left open?

Seems like they only said the door was left open after the Portuguese Police said that the window being tampered with didn't happen............

[Niamh.]

I think she should try and understand that an abductor took the child

Except there's actually no proof of that happening, that's just a theory

[_Tom_]

Why would anyone 'blast' her, that's most people's thoughts on the parents. :shrug:

[smudgie]

Hardly insane.
Neglectful, bad judgement and totally stupid thing to do, no doubt they will have to live with that the rest of their lives.
Sharon isn't my idea of Mother Earth to be fair, but she is entitled to her opinion, had the parents been publicity shy then I would perhaps feel a little more sympathy for them re their having to listen to the opinions of others being made in public.

[Niamh.]

Hardly insane.
Neglectful, bad judgement and totally stupid thing to do, no doubt they will have to live with that the rest of their lives.
Sharon isn't my idea of Mother Earth to be fair, but she is entitled to her opinion, had the parents been publicity shy then I would perhaps feel a little more sympathy for them re their having to listen to the opinions of others being made in public.

What about if you left your 2 two year olds and your 3 year old home alone one night and the next morning the 3 year old asks you where you were when the younger ones were crying the night before? Or if you went back to check on your 3 year old, found she'd vomited while you were out so you washed her, put her back to bed and then went back out drinking with your friends? Would that be insane especially if you are a Doctor? Surely that's insanely dangerous?

[Babayaro.]

Well she's not wrong...

[Marsh.]

I think they were absolutely barmy to leave their children alone.

But what's prompted her to suddenly talk about this now?

[the truth]

I think they were absolutely barmy to leave their children alone.

But what's prompted her to suddenly talk about this now?

shes pretty spontaneous so it probably just came up as part of a topic

[Tom4784]

I think they were absolutely barmy to leave their children alone.

But what's prompted her to suddenly talk about this now?

A discussion on whether or not it's acceptable to leave children on their own, according to the article.

[smudgie]

What about if you left your 2 two year olds and your 3 year old home alone one night and the next morning the 3 year old asks you where you were when the younger ones were crying the night before? Or if you went back to check on your 3 year old, found she'd vomited while you were out so you washed her, put her back to bed and then went back out drinking with your friends? Would that be insane especially if you are a Doctor? Surely that's insanely dangerous?

It is wrong, it is dangerous, I don't think anyone could deny that, but hardly the actions of insanity.

[Marsh.]

It is wrong, it is dangerous, I don't think anyone could deny that, but hardly the actions of insanity.

Sharon's too used to overstating everything from the X Factor.

She calls mediocre, amazing. :hee:


Edit - That's Sharon, not Niamh. :omgno:

[Niamh.]

It is wrong, it is dangerous, I don't think anyone could deny that, but hardly the actions of insanity.

By insane I assume she's saying it's madness which it is surely?

[the truth]

It is wrong, it is dangerous, I don't think anyone could deny that, but hardly the actions of insanity.

I think its totally insane

3 tiny young kids in a foreign land left alone with the door open and the parents out drinking ? insane in the membrane

[Mystic Mock]

I think she should try and understand that an abductor took the child

Which might not have happened if there was a family member looking after her and the other two kids?

[Niamh.]

I think they were absolutely barmy to leave their children alone.

But what's prompted her to suddenly talk about this now?

They were discussing a blog I think where a mother asks if it's ok to leave her 10 month old at home sleeping while she went to the shop or something like that and obviously the McCanns spring to mind with a discussion like that

[Niamh.]

Which might not have happened if there was a family member looking after her and the other two kids?

again assuming that abduction theory.....which is all that is.............is true

[Crimson Dynamo]

Which might not have happened if there was a family member looking after her and the other two kids?


or she gets stolen the next day at the shops


same argument

[Crimson Dynamo]

child abductions happen with parents and without parents, most in the UK happen when kids are playing outside but noone says "well if only the parents never let them play outdoors"

[Marsh.]

or she gets stolen the next day at the shops


same argument

Not really. As presumably the parents are with them at the shops?

[Marsh.]

child abductions happen with parents and without parents, most in the UK happen when kids are playing outside but noone says "well if only the parents never let them play outdoors"

That's not the point though, since this was clearly preventable.

There's a difference between allowing your children to play outside at home versus leaving your BABIES alone in a foreign country.

[Niamh.]

child abductions happen with parents and without parents, most in the UK happen when kids are playing outside but noone says "well if only the parents never let them play outdoors"

There is no proof to support the abduction theory though LT, by all accounts the only actual "proof" they have was from the sniffer dogs who point to her having died in the apartment :shrug:

[Jack_]

How can those ***** have the audacity to call her comments 'ignorant and ill-informed'? Are you taking the piss? You DID leave your children alone in a foreign country, it's not like she's made it up has she

[Crimson Dynamo]

There is no proof to support the abduction theory though LT, by all accounts the only actual "proof" they have was from the sniffer dogs who point to her having died in the apartment :shrug:

There are no other credible theories that the police have. No point looking for complex conspiracy theories as the police have already stated

The mccans did not kill her or dispose of her, its is preposterous to suggest so

[Niamh.]

How can those ***** have the audacity to call her comments 'ignorant and ill-informed'? Are you taking the piss? You DID leave your children alone in a foreign country, it's not like she's made it up has she

Yep and you would think as advocates of a missing children group they would be shouting from the rooftops that what they did was insane in the hopes other people would not make the same mistake???

There are no other credible theories that the police have. No point looking for complex conspiracy theories as the police have already stated

The mccans did not kill her or dispose of her, its is preposterous to suggest so

I don't see why you think some ninja child abductor is a more plausible theory than than her dying in the apartment and her parents getting rid of her, you act like no one in the world every tried to hide a body before, I don't have figures but if we searched do you reckon we would find that more children have been randomly abducted from their beds in the dead of the night or more dead bodies have been hidden by people trying to hide their involvement in a death? :think:

[joeysteele]

What about if you left your 2 two year olds and your 3 year old home alone one night and the next morning the 3 year old asks you where you were when the younger ones were crying the night before? Or if you went back to check on your 3 year old, found she'd vomited while you were out so you washed her, put her back to bed and then went back out drinking with your friends? Would that be insane especially if you are a Doctor? Surely that's insanely dangerous?

I agree.

Many times I have said this case stinks and for me there is really no rhyme,reason or sense to the McCanns actions as to their 3 young Children that night,or any other night they were out too.

I think Sharon O, has a strong point.

[the truth]

I agree.

Many times I have said this case stinks and for me there is really no rhyme,reason or sense to the McCanns actions as to their 3 young Children that night,or any other night they were out too.

I think Sharon O, has a strong point.

the mccanns are scum

either option 1) they left 3 tiny kids unattended with an open door in a foreign land to go out drinking
or
2) the door was locked and they just made up the claim it was unlocked to cook up this abducter story

[Niamh.]

the mccanns are scum

either option 1) they left 3 tiny kids unattended with an open door in a foreign land to go out drinking
or
2) the door was locked and they just made up the claim it was unlocked to cook up this abducter story

My money is on Number 2.

@ LT - It's actually incredibly rare for strangers to abduct children, far more "not far fetched" in fact that a parent is involved in some way

[Lostie!]

She might have a point here but this is the woman who thought the story about a woman castrating her husband was hilarious so I don't really see her as a beacon of rationality.

If anything, this is just a nice little chance for her to be self-righteous about something.

[Ross.]

They discussed it on Loose Women today

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[Niamh.]

What did they say about it Ross, I can't watch videos right now?

[the truth]

pathetic show, they didnt even mention the open door

[Ross.]

What did they say about it Ross, I can't watch videos right now?

Katie (basically said people shouldn't leave their kids alone) and Jane agreed with her comments, Jane doesn't think it was ill-informed because all she did was state the facts

Lesley thinks she was being disrespectful to the McCanns with the way she phrased her comments and defended them and she doesn't think she should have said it because it doesn't help actually finding Madeleine

And Nadia told a story about her children being approached by a stranger on holiday in the ten minutes they were out of her sight

[the truth]

the presenter didnt even ask about the door left open, because 1) shes simply too dumb or 2) shes too spineless

[Ross.]

the presenter didnt even ask about the door left open, because 1) shes simply too dumb or 2) shes too spineless

Why would she? They weren't discussing the case itself and the theories, they were discussing Sharon's comment and then about if kids should be left alone.

[Marsh.]

the presenter didnt even ask about the door left open, because 1) shes simply too dumb or 2) shes too spineless

Ask who?

That's not what the discussion was about?

[Niamh.]

Katie (basically said people shouldn't leave their kids alone) and Jane agreed with her comments, Jane doesn't think it was ill-informed because all she did was state the facts

Lesley thinks she was being disrespectful to the McCanns with the way she phrased her comments and defended them and she doesn't think she should have said it because it doesn't help actually finding Madeleine

And Nadia told a story about her children being approached by a stranger on holiday in the ten minutes they were out of her sight

Thanks :love:

[Firewire]

the presenter didnt even ask about the door left open, because 1) shes simply too dumb or 2) shes too spineless

Okay well "the presenter" has two degrees so the first is totally incorrect

Your second point is also incorrect, Andrea is a goddess

[Glenn.]

As far as I can see, she didn't say anything wrong. I'd say she put it quite tamely too.

[Livia]

Kelly Osbourne, taking drugs from 13 and addicted by 16. Jack Osbourne, drinking heavily and smoking pot from age 14... and Sharon thinks we could benefit from her opinion about other people's parenting skills. She looks great in that glass house.

[Niamh.]

Kelly Osbourne, taking drugs from 13 and addicted by 16. Jack Osbourne, drinking heavily and smoking pot from age 14... and Sharon thinks we could benefit from her opinion about other people's parenting skills. She looks great in that glass house.

she's on a talk show discussing the subject of leaving young children/babies home alone, is she not allowed voice her opinion on that because her kids were troubled teens? :/

[the truth]

Why would she? They weren't discussing the case itself and the theories, they were discussing Sharon's comment and then about if kids should be left alone.

the door being left open is why they were taken. and you don't think that's relevant???

[the truth]

Kelly Osbourne, taking drugs from 13 and addicted by 16. Jack Osbourne, drinking heavily and smoking pot from age 14... and Sharon thinks we could benefit from her opinion about other people's parenting skills. She looks great in that glass house.

shes an idiot , but even a broken clock is right twice a day and she was right here

[Marsh.]

the door being left open is why they were taken. and you don't think that's relevant???

It's relevant to the Maddie case, but not the crux of what this particular discussion was about.

[the truth]

It's relevant to the Maddie case, but not the crux of what this particular discussion was about.

the front door being left open isn't relevant to a discussion about leaving kids unattended in a hotel room abroad? really? lol. the open door is how the child was taken and you think its irrelevant. I'm afraid to say that's the craziest thing ive ever heard in my life

[Marsh.]

the front door being left open isn't relevant to a discussion about leaving kids unattended in a hotel room abroad? really? lol. the open door is how the child was taken and you think its irrelevant. I'm afraid to say that's the craziest thing ive ever heard in my life

The discussion itself was about the appropriateness (or not) of Sharon Osbourne's comments, which stemmed from a case about a woman asking if it was ok for her to leave her 10 month baby for 5 minutes.

It wasn't a debate about the Maddie case.

[the truth]

The discussion itself was about the appropriateness (or not) of Sharon Osbourne's comments, which stemmed from a case about a woman asking if it was ok for her to leave her 10 month baby for 5 minutes.

It wasn't a debate about the Maddie case.

the loose women debate was about osbournes comments on the Maddie case and whether they were ok and whether they were right. that topic includes whether its safe to leae 3 young kids alone abroad in a hotel room, the fact the door was open is why the child was abducted its the most crucial part of the discussion. leaving kids alone is bad enough, leaving them alone with open doors is way worse. they can wander or be abducted. it is 100% part of the same discussion

[Marsh.]

the loose women debate was about osbournes comments on the Maddie case and whether they were ok and whether they were right. that topic includes whether its safe to leae 3 young kids alone abroad in a hotel room, the fact the door was open is why the child was abducted its the most crucial part of the discussion. leaving kids alone is bad enough, leaving them alone with open doors is way worse. they can wander or be abducted. it is 100% part of the same discussion

There are a million and one details relevant to the Maddie case.

This was not a Maddie debate, you can't expect them to point out everything, that was not the point.

[the truth]

There are a million and one details relevant to the Maddie case.

This was not a Maddie debate, you can't expect them to point out everything, that was not the point no matter how big the chip on your shoulder is.



the open door is the most crucial part, they discussed Maddie may have wandered to the pool, but didn't mention the fact the mccanns claimed the door was open. why leave it open?

[Niamh.]

the open door is the most crucial part, they discussed Maddie may have wandered to the pool, but didn't mention the fact the mccanns claimed the door was open. why leave it open?

Obviously the open door is crucial to the McCann case but I agree with Marsh that that isn't really what the Loose women were discussing. The discussion was about Sharon Osbourne and whether she should have said what she did and leaving your kids alone in general

*I do agree with you regarding the McCann case though

[MB.]

First Steve Brookstein, now this

Sharon sure does know how to pick 'em

[user104658]

she's on a talk show discussing the subject of leaving young children/babies home alone, is she not allowed voice her opinion on that because her kids were troubled teens? :/

No one is allowed to pass comment on anything unless they have both a squeaky clean past and an extensive list of professional qualifications on the subject being discussed. Come on Niamh, you've been here more than long enough to understand these fundamental debating basics!

[Crimson Dynamo]

First Steve Brookstein, now this

Sharon sure does know how to pick 'em

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its Kate I feel sorry for

[Livia]

No one is allowed to pass comment on anything unless they have both a squeaky clean past and an extensive list of professional qualifications on the subject being discussed. Come on Niamh, you've been here more than long enough to understand these fundamental debating basics!

Oh TS, it's SO much more simple than that. If you're going to feel free to pass comment on other people you've got to be prepared for people to rake up your own past. Or are people not allowed an opinion on Sharon? I don't agree with her comments but she has a right to them... as do people who remember her own shady, alcohol and drug-fuelled past.

[Niamh.]

Its Kate I feel sorry for

You do not :nono:

[Kazanne]

The McCannes call anyone a troll if they do not side with them,they are allowed opinions but we are not,I agree with Sharon and we should be allowed to say so without the McCann bandwagon getting on their high horses.

[Niamh.]

The McCannes call anyone a troll if they do not side with them,they are allowed opinions but we are not,I agree with Sharon and we should be allowed to say so without the McCann bandwagon getting on their high horses.

The McCanns bandwagon is more of bicycle these days it looks like

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hopefully this promo for the find maddy campaign will earn them some much needed money to fund the ongoing search?

[Niamh.]

Hopefully this promo for the find maddy campaign will earn them some much needed money to fund the ongoing search?

:laugh:

[Kazanne]

The McCanns bandwagon is more of bicycle these days it looks like

Ha,ha,nice one,they don't seem to have the support they once had.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Where is Chuff?

:hehe:

[the truth]

the mccanns should use the funds raised to investigate themselves

[Livia]

Wasn't the "McCann Bandwagon" put together to keep Maddie's profile high in the media? I think it's worked pretty well considering how long ago she disappeared. I feel that if the McCann's were guilty of their daughter's death they'd have let it all die down instead of working to keep her name alive... especially in the light of all this supposed evidence people seem to believe. But I've said that before in one of the other anti-McCann threads. They were wrong to leave their child, totally wrong. But I can't join in this metaphorical slaughtering every time their name comes up.

[Marsh.]

Hopefully this promo for the find maddy campaign will earn them some much needed money to fund the ongoing search?

What about all the other kids. :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

What about all the other kids. :fist:

Which kids?

[Marsh.]

Which kids?

The many other missing kids who aren't getting all this money and media attention to fund their searches? :fist:

[the truth]

Wasn't the "McCann Bandwagon" put together to keep Maddie's profile high in the media? I think it's worked pretty well considering how long ago she disappeared. I feel that if the McCann's were guilty of their daughter's death they'd have let it all die down instead of working to keep her name alive... especially in the light of all this supposed evidence people seem to believe. But I've said that before in one of the other anti-McCann threads. They were wrong to leave their child, totally wrong. But I can't join in this metaphorical slaughtering every time their name comes up.

and wrong to leave the door open

[Crimson Dynamo]

The many other missing kids who aren't getting all this money and media attention to fund their searches? :fist:

The McCanns have probably done more than anyone else in the UK over the last decade for missing children.

Well done to Kate

[Marsh.]

I can't remember, was the door left open or was it locked?

[Kazanne]

Wasn't the "McCann Bandwagon" put together to keep Maddie's profile high in the media? I think it's worked pretty well considering how long ago she disappeared. I feel that if the McCann's were guilty of their daughter's death they'd have let it all die down instead of working to keep her name alive... especially in the light of all this supposed evidence people seem to believe. But I've said that before in one of the other anti-McCann threads. They were wrong to leave their child, totally wrong. But I can't join in this metaphorical slaughtering every time their name comes up.

Hello Livia,people will comment on it as it's a weird case,a lot of things don't add up,but I guess that's another thread,Sharon Osbourn is entitalled to her opinion as are we all ,what annoys me about the McCanns and their supporters is they call people with differing opinions trolls, plenty in the McCann camp have said vile things as much as people who believe they had a hand in their daughters death, they have said they will sue anyone selling The Truth of the Lies book ,why would they do that ? we should be a liberty to read it and make our own minds up,there is news today that even the priest that comforted them is now feeling uneasy,so who knows ? so many things that are just strange,you can't blame people for being interested and anyone should be able to say what they did was wrong without being lambasted for doing so.I'm not meaning you,just people like Sharon Osbourne.

[the truth]

The McCanns have probably done more than anyone else in the UK over the last decade for missing children.

Well done to Kate

they neglected their own kids, hardly an example to the masses

[DrunkerThanMoses]

So no one can speak ill of them now? Are we suppose to forget they were idiots who rather spend dinner with friends then look after their own children or at least call a babysitter?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its as if people think that if you leave children in a complex and have a meal THEY ARE GUARANTEED TO BE ABDUCTED

:facepalm:

[Marsh.]

Its as if people think that if you leave children in a complex and have a meal THEY ARE GUARANTEED TO BE ABDUCTED

:facepalm:

No but a lot of people think you just don't leave BABIES alone in an empty apartment in a foreign country, with the doors unlocked.

And leave them alone for so long that they wake crying, not knowing where their parents are, terrified and cry themselves back to sleep.

Then after being told that themselves by one of their other children the following morning, they continue to do the same thing resulting in a child then vanishing into thin air.

[Amy Jade]

The original question was posted on mumsnet. A woman asked if other members thought it was ok to leave her baby asleep while she went 5 minutes down the street to get something.

I do think think it draws parralels to the McCann case so I understand Sharon bringing it up, even if it is hurtful to them, it's a good point and could help somebody make their same mistake.

I do sort of see LT's point too, leaving a child alone for any time like they did is neglectful but there are plenty of other cases where the parents get full sympathy when they made mistakes too and don't get dragged across the coles like the McCanns do.

[Marsh.]

The original question was posted on mumsnet. A woman asked if other members thought it was ok to leave her baby asleep while she went 5 minutes down the street to get something.

I do think think it draws parralels to the McCann case so I understand Sharon bringing it up, even if it is hurtful to them, it's a good point and could help somebody make their same mistake.

I do sort of see LT's point too, leaving a child alone for any time like they did is neglectful but there are plenty of other cases where the parents get full sympathy when they made mistakes too and don't get dragged across the coles like the McCanns do.

To be fair, I don't think there are many other people who have courted the media attention in the way the McCann's have.

When you promote your cause to that degree (whatever its purpose) then you are going to get the negative/ everyone's opinions on it along with everything else.

[Amy Jade]

To be fair, I don't think there are many other people who have courted the media attention in the way the McCann's have.

When you promote your cause to that degree (whatever its purpose) then you are going to get the negative/ everyone's opinions on it along with everything else.
Definately true, they should have thicker skin by now. Katie Hopkins says much worse about them and the general public worse again.

[Shaun]

Its as if people think that if you leave children in a complex and have a meal THEY ARE GUARANTEED TO BE ABDUCTED

:facepalm:

No, you're just guaranteed that you don't know what the hell is happening to your children whilst you have a nice meal out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The original question was posted on mumsnet. A woman asked if other members thought it was ok to leave her baby asleep while she went 5 minutes down the street to get something.

I do think think it draws parralels to the McCann case so I understand Sharon bringing it up, even if it is hurtful to them, it's a good point and could help somebody make their same mistake.

I do sort of see LT's point too, leaving a child alone for any time like they did is neglectful but there are plenty of other cases where the parents get full sympathy when they made mistakes too and don't get dragged across the coles like the McCanns do.

:clap1: at the Birthday Queen

[user104658]

Its as if people think that if you leave children in a complex and have a meal THEY ARE GUARANTEED TO BE ABDUCTED

:facepalm:

I saw a car hurtling down the motorway the other day, the lady in the front had a toddler crawling around on her knee. My wife went mental! She wanted to take their license number and report them and all sorts, saying that apparently kids are supposed to be strapped in lol? :facepalm: I don't know what her problem is, it's like she thinks that if a kid isn't strapped in THE CAR IS GUARANTEED TO CRASH. What a fool.

[joeysteele]

Leaving children alone for a few minutes could be understood, to leave children alone in a strange Country to just go and socialise with others is beyond any understanding, or should be, in my view.

Madeline was still only 3 years old when this happened and they left her with 2 children even younger for goodness sake.
Sorry for me that should be a criminal act.

One or both of the younger children could have woken up and been crying,Madeline should not have been left with that responsibility to the younger children and how would she have been able to cope with that too.
Also the McCanns chose not to have the baby minding service.

Anything could have happened and in situations where anything could happen it is best to ensure nothing does and be there yourself as an adult or adults to make sure nothing does.

[Amy Jade]

Leaving children alone for a few minutes could be understood, to leave children alone in a strange Country to just go and socialise with others is beyond any understanding, or should be, in my view.

Madeline was still only 3 years old when this happened and they left her with 2 children even younger for goodness sake.
Sorry for me that should be a criminal act.

One or both of the younger children could have woken up and been crying,Madeline should not have been left with that responsibility to the younger children and how would she have been able to cope with that too.
Also the McCanns chose not to have the baby minding service.

Anything could have happened and in situations where anything could happen it is best to ensure nothing does and be there yourself as an adult or adults to make sure nothing does.

Anything could happen if you leave them for a moment or an hour, of course leaving them in a room in neglectful but I also believe it's neglectful to leave a child say outside a shop while you run inside. James Bulger is an example of this to be honest and I never see people saying his mother was neglectful, but I look after my neice and I would NEVER take my eyes off her, EVER.

[Denver]

They should have their other kids taken off them and banned from being around kids

[Amy Jade]

They should have their other kids taken off them and banned from being around kids

If they did that to every parent who made a mistake there would be a hell of a lot of kids being brought up in the system when their parents are perfectly suitable - parenting is surely partly about making mistakes and learning from them.

[Denver]

If they did that to every parent who made a mistake there would be a hell of a lot of kids being brought up in the system when their parents are perfectly suitable - parenting is surely partly about making mistakes and learning from them.

Im sorry but neglecting your kids to get pissed with your mates is not a mistake

[Marsh.]

If they did that to every parent who made a mistake there would be a hell of a lot of kids being brought up in the system when their parents are perfectly suitable - parenting is surely partly about making mistakes and learning from them.

IMO, they didn't.

Maddie informing them she awoke the night before, looked for her parents and cried herself to sleep with the twins wondering where the hell they were and then they STILL did the same again was not learning from their mistakes IMO.

[Amy Jade]

Im sorry but neglecting your kids to get pissed with your mates is not a mistake

Obviously, without a doubt.

But since the one incident there have been no other instances of this happening and they've learned from their mistake and most likely wrap their kids in cotton wool.

Why take away children who are being well look after all these years later to prove a point that they made a horrible judgement years and years ago?

[Denver]

Obviously, without a doubt.

But since the one incident there have been no other instances of this happening and they've learned from their mistake and most likely wrap their kids in cotton wool.

Why take away children who are being well look after all these years later to prove a point that they made a horrible judgement years and years ago?

The are evil people all they care about is making momey from Maddie not actually finding her

[Amy Jade]

IMO, they didn't.

Maddie informing them she awoke the night before, looked for her parents and cried herself to sleep with the twins wondering where the hell they were and then they STILL did the same again was not learning from their mistakes IMO.

They've sadly had to learn the hard way. I'm not defending their actions at all, I won't lie and say I know the ins and outs of the case but recently I have read a bit more and they absolutely made a massive mistake but since that fateful night they've most likely learned a terrible lesson.

[Marsh.]

They've sadly had to learn the hard way. I'm not defending their actions at all, I won't lie and say I know the ins and outs of the case but recently I have read a bit more and they absolutely made a massive mistake but since that fateful night they've most likely learned a terrible lesson.

Oh definitely. I can't imagine living with that guilt/pain forever more after.

[Amy Jade]

The are evil people all they care about is making momey from Maddiw not actually finding her

That's just your interpretation of them though, I personally believe they would give all the money they poses to get Maddie back.

Kate McCann especially looks broken to me.

[joeysteele]

Anything could happen if you leave them for a moment or an hour, of course leaving them in a room in neglectful but I also believe it's neglectful to leave a child say outside a shop while you run inside. James Bulger is an example of this to be honest and I never see people saying his mother was neglectful, but I look after my neice and I would NEVER take my eyes off her, EVER.

I agree,and full credit to you for never taking your eyes off your Niece when she is in your charge,that is how it should be too in my view.
If anyone has Children far better to not leave them alone for any time.
If I ever had any,I would expect that.

I do however know that in a shop or shopping centre,you can get distracted and a child can walk off,I have at times when younger with my Mum,I see that even now in the ASDA store I go to, children running round the aisles with their Parents not in sight.

I would not however personally look at Jamie Bulger's Mum as a bad example, she didn't leave her child alone in the way the McCanns did.
She has gone through torture following the horrific murder of Jamie,I don't think she should be considered neglectful.

The McCanns were not even doing anything vital,they were going out enjoying themselves and not just for a few moments.
That was their planned choice on the night and to leave a 3 year old girl alone at night, with 2 even younger siblings,while not in the home environment even.

For me they are not fit to tie Jamie's Mothers shoelaces.

[Ammi]

They should have their other kids taken off them and banned from being around kids

..I don't agree that they should have had the twins taken from them, Adam..or I guess the thing for me is more that I don't think that the twins should have been without their parents, either at the time of Maddie disappearing or in the time in between...child welfare works with families to try to keep those families together more than anything else..it's aim isn't to 'remove' unless it's believed that a child is in danger and there is nothing that we know about the McCanns that would have us believe that to be true...so far as we know and can assume, the best place for the twins to have been has been with their parents...and I do personally believe that they would have been the ones who would have been damaged the most in being placed into care and removed from their family home ..it would have been less a 'punishment' on Kate and Gerry as it would have been on them....



...I think the most important difference between Jamie Bulger and Maddie McCann, the two cases...?...is that the understanding and empathy comes in Jamie's case of 'there but with the grace of God..'..type thing because we can all relate to taking our eyes off our children for a moment or two...there wouldn't be many people/parents out there who hadn't done that, if any at all, so it's something that would be possible to happen to us all...there isn't the same understanding though with the McCanns because leaving our very young children in an apartment while we're out having a meal with friends etc is something that many people/parents, find an unthinkable thing to do...


..I don't know what happened to Maddie, obviously but I do believe that her parents have been 'imprisoned' ever since her death..and nothing that any of us say or don't say, think or don't thing will ever make any difference to that...

[Kazanne]

Anything could happen if you leave them for a moment or an hour, of course leaving them in a room in neglectful but I also believe it's neglectful to leave a child say outside a shop while you run inside. James Bulger is an example of this to be honest and I never see people saying his mother was neglectful, but I look after my neice and I would NEVER take my eyes off her, EVER.

Denise did what hundreds of parents do,she wasn't neglectful,she was distracted,James was being ancy,and she could still see him ,the butcher messed up her order so kept her a minute more than she should have been,people also forget his auntie was with them too,Denise wasn't to know she was looking at clothes on a rail,and even if you think she was wrong,Denise has sufferered 10 fold for that and still is,she beats herself up all the time over it,it cost her ,her marriage too,My mom knows this family so I do know a bit about it, so james is not an example just a victim is unfortunate events,she wasn't having a meal with friends and James wasn't neglected, and denise finds it hard to smile even now,nevermind a few days after he had gone.

[Kazanne]

I agree,and full credit to you for never taking your eyes off your Niece when she is in your charge,that is how it should be too in my view.
If anyone has Children far better to not leave them alone for any time.
If I ever had any,I would expect that.

I do however know that in a shop or shopping centre,you can get distracted and a child can walk off,I have at times when younger with my Mum,I see that even now in the ASDA store I go to, children running round the aisles with their Parents not in sight.

I would not however personally look at Jamie Bulger's Mum as a bad example, she didn't leave her child alone in the way the McCanns did.
She has gone through torture following the horrific murder of Jamie,I don't think she should be considered neglectful.

The McCanns were not even doing anything vital,they were going out enjoying themselves and not just for a few moments.
That was their planned choice on the night and to leave a 3 year old girl alone at night, with 2 even younger siblings,while not in the home environment even.

For me they are not fit to tie Jamie's Mothers shoelaces.

Yes Joey totally different scenarios,a pat on the back for people who have their eyes on a child 24/7,is that really possible?I don't think it is ,to compare James parents to the McCanns is quite offensive to me.

[Amy Jade]

Wasn't the "McCann Bandwagon" put together to keep Maddie's profile high in the media? I think it's worked pretty well considering how long ago she disappeared. I feel that if the McCann's were guilty of their daughter's death they'd have let it all die down instead of working to keep her name alive... especially in the light of all this supposed evidence people seem to believe. But I've said that before in one of the other anti-McCann threads. They were wrong to leave their child, totally wrong. But I can't join in this metaphorical slaughtering every time their name comes up.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

The are evil people all they care about is making momey from Maddie not actually finding her

This attitude sums the whole thing up for me..


people really think this is true, its very sad

[Amy Jade]

I'm obviously not trying to offend anyone but I'd personally still say she made a mistake. I'm not even saying she is to blame for what happened to him in the slightest but a mistake was still made on her part to leave a young child alone outside a busy shop which ended up being a grave mistake.

I'm not even necessarily comparing the two, the McCanns neglect was far worse but the fundamental point, for me, is that people dropped the ball and made mistakes, my only question is why are the McCanns literally thrown to the lions every time their mistake is brought up and called every nasty name imaginable yet other parents who made mistakes too get nothing but out pourings of compassion.

[user104658]

This topic has been done to death so I think my in-depth views on it are probably known, so all I'll reiterate is this: The "abduction theory" - and YES, it is a theory, there is absolutely zero evidence for it other than the fact that she went missing - is about as credible as her having been eaten by a chupacabra or sucked into the nether-realms by Thinman.

[Niamh.]

No, you're just guaranteed that you don't know what the hell is happening to your children whilst you have a nice meal out.

Exaaaaactly, any number of things could go wrong and are likely to go wrong when you leave 3 babies alone like that, even the night before something went wrong when all three woke up alone and scared, kate and Gerry knew this but still left them the following night

[Niamh.]

This topic has been done to death so I think my in-depth views on it are probably known, so all I'll reiterate is this: The "abduction theory" - and YES, it is a theory, there is absolutely zero evidence for it other than the fact that she went missing - is about as credible as her having been eaten by a chupacabra or sucked into the nether-realms by Thinman.

Exactly. Infact there is more evidence to support the theory of her having died in the apartment than any other theory - the cadaver dogs

[user104658]

Exaaaaactly, any number of things could go wrong and are likely to go wrong when you leave 3 babies alone like that, even the night before something went wrong when all three woke up alone and scared, kate and Gerry knew this but still left them the following night

Yeah like an abduction by Navy Seal trained ghost paedophiles or perhaps,

just as an out there thought,

drowsily clambering onto a couch and falling off the back, hitting your head on the rock solid slab flooring they have in Algarve resorts, bleeding out on the floor only to be discovered later by someone who may or may not panic for reasons which may or may not include the suspect-yet-surprisingly-common practice of sedating children with small doses over the counter meds used, for example, as a solution if they had awoken confused and distressed the previous evening.

It's probably the first one of course, anything else is pretty far fetched. Everyone knows that paedophiles have had stealth tech for years.

[Niamh.]

Yeah like an abduction by Navy Seal trained ghost paedophiles or perhaps,

just as an out there thought,

drowsily clambering onto a couch and falling off the back, hitting your head on the rock solid slab flooring they have in Algarve resorts, bleeding out on the floor only to be discovered later by someone who may or may not panic for reasons which may or may not include the suspect-yet-surprisingly-common practice of sedating children with small doses over the counter meds used, for example, as a solution if they had awoken confused and distressed the previous evening.

It's probably the first one of course, anything else is pretty far fetched. Everyone knows that paedophiles have had stealth tech for years.

I know right? Ghost paedophiles are the most obvious choice, has to be that then

[the truth]

I'm disgusted by the parents in every possible way. not just the fact they and several other parents abandoned their babies night after night to go drinking , leaving the apartment door unlocked....not just the fact the kids were allegedly giving stuff to sleep, not just the fact they are endlessly vague about whether the door or windows were left open...The endless contradictions and holes in their stories, the alleged delays in starting the search the alleged fact they sat around in the living room immediately after shed gone missing which hindered the search and allegedly damaged much dna evidence in the room...then the use of the funds to wipe out anyone who dare question their versions of events or in fact anyone who dare even criticize these awful parents.....
even the fact they have never seemed particularly regretful or apologetic for their absurd irresponsible actions. they have an attitude of self pity denial and aggression too...going to celebrities to find a missing person and the pope is crazy. all it did was make the kidnapper even more determined to hide Maddie if she was taken. they should have worked wih the detectives far better from day 1 minute 1....just awful

[user104658]

all it did was make the kidnapper even more determined to hide Maddie if she was taken. they should have worked wih the detectives far better from day 1 minute 1....just awful

This is very true, some of their actions make very littlke sense, e.g. they were explicitly told by the Portuguese police that it would be a bad idea to inform the public about her distinctive eye as it could lead to any kidnapper hurting her to cover it up or simply disposing of her in fear of being caught. They went ahead and did it anyway. And have carried on in that way since then - gone for huge publicity rather than truting investigators to do their job, ensuring that if she WAS taken and alive, any kidnapper would be very aware of how high profile the case had become. They were told that - if someone has been taken and is alive - it's best to allow a kidnapper to believe that they've successfully evaded the authorities and then track them down covertly. If they know they're in the spotlight, the victim has no chance. They didn't seem to care - perhaps because they were perfectly aware that she was already dead?

[Kazanne]

That's just your interpretation of them though, I personally believe they would give all the money they poses to get Maddie back.

Kate McCann especially looks broken to me.

They couldn't even give a tenner for a babysitting service that night,i don't know what happened to that child,but I certainly don't believe she was abducted.She doesn't look too broken to me Amy,this is 9 days after she 'disappeard' http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GOJLVfAdmrg/TgRpVxr3AjI/AAAAAAAAI1M/x_7rYhWq6pU/s1600/madeleine%2527s_birthday.jpg

[Jake.]

well she's spot on so

[Amy Jade]

They couldn't even give a tenner for a babysitting service that night,i don't know what happened to that child,but I certainly don't believe she was abducted.She doesn't look too broken to me Amy,this is 9 days after she 'disappeard' http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GOJLVfAdmrg/TgRpVxr3AjI/AAAAAAAAI1M/x_7rYhWq6pU/s1600/madeleine%2527s_birthday.jpg

That picture says Maddy's birthday, perhaps she put on a brave face. Almost every picture I have seen of her she looks unhappy.

[the truth]

This is very true, some of their actions make very littlke sense, e.g. they were explicitly told by the Portuguese police that it would be a bad idea to inform the public about her distinctive eye as it could lead to any kidnapper hurting her to cover it up or simply disposing of her in fear of being caught. They went ahead and did it anyway. And have carried on in that way since then - gone for huge publicity rather than truting investigators to do their job, ensuring that if she WAS taken and alive, any kidnapper would be very aware of how high profile the case had become. They were told that - if someone has been taken and is alive - it's best to allow a kidnapper to believe that they've successfully evaded the authorities and then track them down covertly. If they know they're in the spotlight, the victim has no chance. They didn't seem to care - perhaps because they were perfectly aware that she was already dead?

100% spot on, once its in the hands of the hysterical mass media you've got no chance