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bonnie43uk

30-01-2007, 07:41 PM

I've only tried drugs once.. my friend gave me some skank in a bag.. which i kept in a drawer for months and months. One evening i was bored , and decided i'd like to try it, being a non smoker, i had a bright idea of sprinkling it on my toast.. i did'nt realise he'd given me about £50 worth, and i sprinkled THE WHOLE LOT on my toast. I was munching away, and after about 30 minutes the room was expanding and shrinking in waves.. I was listening to a Micheal Jackson CD ..after a while i was convinced he was in the room with me.. i felt absolutly fantastic!!! ... then it started to go wrong, and i found myself clinging to the furniture panicking. Being on my own at the time, i rang my girlfriend Hayley.. and shouted down the phone .."HAYLEY .. I'M OFF MY ******N FACE ON DRUGS"!!!! ... then i heard a voice .. "Hang on, I'll get Hayley"!!! .. OMG .. it was her mum!!!

.. she would'nt speak to me for 3 days!!!

Never again!!! dont do it kids!

Thats my drug story.

easypeasy

30-01-2007, 07:41 PM

- Do you use drugs?
wont turn down a quick tug on a spliff if its passed my way
- Have you ever used drugs, and if so, do you regret it?
yes, and yes
- Do any of your friends use drugs, and if so, how do you feel about this?
some do, nothing man-made though
- What do you think of people who do use drugs?
a bit reckless
- Do you class all drugs the same?
No way, only a fool thinks that.
- What do you think of "recreational drug use"?
too expensive
- Do you consider some drugs to be safe?
as safe if not safer than alcahol
- Would you like to see any drugs legalised/decriminalised?
yes, weed.
- Do you class all drug users the same?
Nope
- Do you think the current methadone program is worthwhile?
nope, its a waste of money
- Do you think that kids are well enough educated nowadays about the risks of drugs?
obviously not.

andybigbro

30-01-2007, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Markus™
Originally posted by andybigbro
Originally posted by Markus™
Hmm, I hate drugs, and the people who I know that use them. They're all messed up, self-obsessed *****. And they're messing up their lives even more by taking drugs.

There not to blame for the drug the drug overtakes them and they rely on the drug to help them because they have feel they have no one to turn to. they are not self obsessed they have a disease that makes them need to the drgug to survive

I'm talking about the people who I know that do it. Some people do it to help themselves, yes. But that's not the reason why these people are doing it.

Ok, People who do it because"they think its fun" are just really silly becasue not only do they look really daft they and putting there life in danger. Alot of teenagers are peer pressured into doing it which makes them do it to look "cool" and fit in with the crowed.

But Whats the Point?

but people who are addicted are not to blame the drugs are to blame as the drug overpowers them and its hard not to take a drug when your addicted. Drug addiction is a disease although people may not see it as that

lily.

30-01-2007, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by easypeasy
- Do you use drugs?
wont turn down a quick tug on a spliff if its passed my way
- Have you ever used drugs, and if so, do you regret it?
yes, and yes
- Do any of your friends use drugs, and if so, how do you feel about this?
some do, nothing man-made though
- What do you think of people who do use drugs?
a bit reckless
- Do you class all drugs the same?
No way, only a fool thinks that.
- What do you think of "recreational drug use"?
too expensive
- Do you consider some drugs to be safe?
as safe if not safer than alcahol
- Would you like to see any drugs legalised/decriminalised?
yes, weed.
- Do you class all drug users the same?
Nope
- Do you think the current methadone program is worthwhile?
nope, its a waste of money
- Do you think that kids are well enough educated nowadays about the risks of drugs?
obviously not.

Thanks for your honesty.. and, I agree with a lot of ur answers. I might just repost the list with my own answers as well.

Lauren

30-01-2007, 07:46 PM

I've never used drugs in my life and as far as I can see I probably never will.
Of course I'm a hypocrite, my main reason is health issues with drugs - but then I'm an alcohol drinker. However, drugs can become very addictive and are against the law in any case. It's not just drugs that are the underlying problem here, either - because drug use/abuse can lead to many other problems - such as losing touch with reality, turning to the criminal side of things to get your 'fix'.

Drugs were once something to take if you were "cool" but I feel they have taken yet another loop in recent years to the point where they are no longer seen as being 'cool' (Contrary to all Pete Doherty idolisers). I know a few people at my college who take drugs at some of the party's I attend and people generally seem to keep well away from them, or speak bad about them. It does get to the point where the drug users get so involved in the drug that they don't care about other people perspectives and genuinely don't see wrong in what they are doing.

Some drugs are classed as "safer" than others but the desirability factor of most drugs is that it feeds an addiction - and so the drug is not safe because it starts an addiction which as I have already said, can lead to other forms of self harm. (Thats how I see drug abuse, blatant self harm).

Of course some drugs can be given on prescription and personally I am all for this but in small amounts. There have been cases where people claim cannabis on the NHS to help alleviate pains in crippling illnesses, and then many become hooked and abuse cannabis - thats why I feel the NHS should keep tighter restrictions on who should receive such prescriptions and how much they should be for.

As for drug users I don't think much of them. If someone is willing to take drugs and destroy their health with something that is against the law - then that is completely up to them - and as long as they don't hurt others (Which it can lead to, many people hurting family members by being distant).

I feel kids are educated well on drugs these days. With it coming into the public eye with cases where teenagers have died from OD's etc - I, personally, had many lessons on drugs in school to the point where it become tedious. So I don't think the problem is with education - but probably with role models (Many of them rock stars) glorifying drug use.

MarkWaldorf

30-01-2007, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by andybigbro
Originally posted by Markus™
Originally posted by andybigbro
Originally posted by Markus™
Hmm, I hate drugs, and the people who I know that use them. They're all messed up, self-obsessed *****. And they're messing up their lives even more by taking drugs.

There not to blame for the drug the drug overtakes them and they rely on the drug to help them because they have feel they have no one to turn to. they are not self obsessed they have a disease that makes them need to the drgug to survive

I'm talking about the people who I know that do it. Some people do it to help themselves, yes. But that's not the reason why these people are doing it.

Ok, People who do it because"they think its fun" are just really silly becasue not only do they look really daft they and putting there life in danger. Alot of teenagers are peer pressured into doing it which makes them do it to look "cool" and fit in with the crowed.

But Whats the Point?

but people who are addicted are not to blame the drugs are to blame as the drug overpowers them and its hard not to take a drug when your addicted. Drug addiction is a disease although people may not see it as that

:laugh:

Of course it's a drug addiction, that's why when people start, they can't stop. Then they end up wasting loads of money, which then leads to stealing, and them commiting crimes. So they're getting in more trouble by trying to buy these drugs.

BigSister

30-01-2007, 07:47 PM

- Do you use drugs?

I have never used drugs and never will I dont smoke either. I knew a few people at work who used drugs and felt strongly about it as it affected their work, but if they want to use them its their ownm decsion. I dont class drugs in the same categorys like paracetamol is adrug but i wouldnt call it a strong drug like cocaine or heron. I wouldnt like to see the hard drugs to be legal or the same and I feel that yes kids today are educated well on drugs and the risks of them

lily.

30-01-2007, 07:48 PM

- Do you use drugs? No
- Have you ever used drugs, and if so, do you regret it? Yes and No
- Do any of your friends use drugs, and if so, how do you feel about this? Yes, but only hash really
- What do you think of people who do use drugs? I think they make their own choices and will have to live with the consequences of those choices.
- Do you class all drugs the same? No. I would never, and have never touched Heroin. But, I have no issue with someone smoking a joint.
- What do you think of "recreational drug use"? I used to do it, from Thursday to Sunday. It wasn't anymore expensive than going out on the lash all weekend. And, it was more the "done thing" back in the early 90s.
- Do you consider some drugs to be safe? Yes, hash.
- Would you like to see any drugs legalised/decriminalised? Yes, hash.
- Do you class all drug users the same? Definitely not. I think Heroin addicts are a drain on society. Most of them rob/steal to feed their habits, which affects me. Other drug users only affect themselves and their own life.
- Do you think the current methadone program is worthwhile? Definitely not. Studies show that methadone is more addictive than heroin. I believe in "cold turkey". Once someone has gone through that, they will be less likely to go back. Don't make it easy to quit, or else where's the incentive to stay "quit".
- Do you think that kids are well enough educated nowadays about the risks of drugs? I actually do not know, which is one of the main reasons I started this thread. I'm interested to know what kind of msg our education system is giving to the youth of today. Zammo didn't do it for me.. :thumbs:

The_Hitman

30-01-2007, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by BigSister
- Do you use drugs?

I have never used drugs and never will I dont smoke either. I knew a few people at work who used drugs and felt strongly about it as it affected their work, but if they want to use them its their ownm decsion. I dont class drugs in the same categorys like paracetamol is adrug but i wouldnt call it a strong drug like cocaine or heron. I wouldnt like to see the hard drugs to be legal or the same and I feel that yes kids today are educated well on drugs and the risks of them

Wow, you come from Accy and youve never used drugs??

That must have been a sheltered life!

easypeasy

30-01-2007, 07:49 PM

Ive smoked a lot of weed in my life, took speed and ecstacy occasionally, done magic mushrooms a few times, oh and used to do a bit of acid. tried coke once but it didnt do f all.
not had anything apart from a smoke for about ten years and i dont smoke cigarettes or drink very often now, those two are the killers.

The_Hitman

30-01-2007, 07:51 PM

I look like Pete Doherty at weekends.

MarkWaldorf

30-01-2007, 07:51 PM

- Do you use drugs?
Nope, and I don't think I ever will. I won't drink either.

- Have you ever used drugs, and if so, do you regret it?
No and no.

- Do any of your friends use drugs, and if so, how do you feel about this?
None of my friends do, but I know people in my school who do. And ironically their the ones under achieving.

- What do you think of people who do use drugs?
I think the people who use it to fit in are stupid, and pathetic.

- Do you class all drugs the same?
Nope, same can be dangerous than others, some are used as medicine, the others are the drugs which this topic is about.

- Do you think that kids are well enough educated nowadays about the risks of drugs?
It's probably taught everywhere, but there's always a group which won't care about the damages. They'll take it to look cool.

andybigbro

30-01-2007, 07:52 PM

Yeah i will admit i took a cigarette but i hated it

MarkWaldorf

30-01-2007, 07:52 PM

:nono: Andy, why did you take one?

lily.

30-01-2007, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
I've never used drugs in my life and as far as I can see I probably never will.
Of course I'm a hypocrite, my main reason is health issues with drugs - but then I'm an alcohol drinker. However, drugs can become very addictive and are against the law in any case. It's not just drugs that are the underlying problem here, either - because drug use/abuse can lead to many other problems - such as losing touch with reality, turning to the criminal side of things to get your 'fix'.

Drugs were once something to take if you were "cool" but I feel they have taken yet another loop in recent years to the point where they are no longer seen as being 'cool' (Contrary to all Pete Doherty idolisers). I know a few people at my college who take drugs at some of the party's I attend and people generally seem to keep well away from them, or speak bad about them. It does get to the point where the drug users get so involved in the drug that they don't care about other people perspectives and genuinely don't see wrong in what they are doing.

Some drugs are classed as "safer" than others but the desirability factor of most drugs is that it feeds an addiction - and so the drug is not safe because it starts an addiction which as I have already said, can lead to other forms of self harm. (Thats how I see drug abuse, blatant self harm).

Of course some drugs can be given on prescription and personally I am all for this but in small amounts. There have been cases where people claim cannabis on the NHS to help alleviate pains in crippling illnesses, and then many become hooked and abuse cannabis - thats why I feel the NHS should keep tighter restrictions on who should receive such prescriptions and how much they should be for.

As for drug users I don't think much of them. If someone is willing to take drugs and destroy their health with something that is against the law - then that is completely up to them - and as long as they don't hurt others (Which it can lead to, many people hurting family members by being distant).

I feel kids are educated well on drugs these days. With it coming into the public eye with cases where teenagers have died from OD's etc - I, personally, had many lessons on drugs in school to the point where it become tedious. So I don't think the problem is with education - but probably with role models (Many of them rock stars) glorifying drug use.

Lauren, a well thought out reply. And, I like how you put the part about Alcohol in it. :thumbs: Some people do class the two as the same, or even say that Alcohol is worse. I guess the main point is that Alcohol is legal and drugs are not. Alcohol is only really a problem when it becomes a "problem" though, and that's for a whole other thread.

Also, what you said about it turning around and no longer being cool. That's a very valid point. And, I can relate to how it was completely acceptable 15 years ago, yet, from the viewpoints I'm reading on here, isn't anymore.

This thread is very enlightening.

BigSister

30-01-2007, 07:54 PM

I know this is on acompletely different topic but I dont drink either Mark

MarkWaldorf

30-01-2007, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by BigSister
I know this is on acompletely different topic but I dont drink either Mark

:laugh: Well, I might have lied. I won't drink heavily when I'm older, I can control what I do. But I made have an occasional one.

bonnie43uk

30-01-2007, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by andybigbro
Yeah i will admit i took a cigarette but i hated it

yeah, like me andybigbro .. i tried one when i was 10 and threw up .. best thing that could have happened!!

We've saved thousands and thousands of ££££'s Andy!

.. and our lungs are a nice healthy colour!! ( hopefully)

James

30-01-2007, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by Stropz
- Do you think the current methadone program is worthwhile?

It's a half-baked scheme.

The government should set up centres where (Class A) drug-addicts can get - and take - the drugs they need for their addiction, for free.

They would also get the help they needed at these places to be weaned off drugs.

They wouldn't have to go to dealers then and pay the huge prices which are usually funded by crime and prostitution.

I've read that a high proportion of thefts are to pay for drugs. We all suffer because of that.

Current drugs policy hasn't worked.

Lauren

30-01-2007, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by James
The government should set up centres where (Class A) drug-addicts can get - and take - the drugs they need for their addiction, for free.

They have some of those already, to the best of my knowledge.
I think there is only a couple but it was a recent policy to help clean up the streets of "problem areas"

lily.

30-01-2007, 07:59 PM

There are tons of "junkies" in my area (and by junkies, I mean heroin addicts). They are a complete waste of space. Some of them have children, and social work seems incapable of doing anything about the environment these children are being "dragged up" in.

Most of them are petty criminals. They would break into an old lady's house and steal her pension money just to get a fix. Then, the courts do nothing about it.

You are right James, the current drugs policy hasn't worked.. and yet nobody seems to want to change it.

easypeasy

30-01-2007, 08:00 PM

nobody gets violent after smokin the herb, tell that to the nations binge drinkers.
it never did Bob any harm (apart from the lung cancer)......
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7118/bobsmoke2ep9.th.jpg (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bobsmoke2ep9.jpg)

lily.

30-01-2007, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by James
The government should set up centres where (Class A) drug-addicts can get - and take - the drugs they need for their addiction, for free.

They have some of those already, to the best of my knowledge.
I think there is only a couple but it was a recent policy to help clean up the streets of "problem areas"

I was not aware of that. Is it just in England then Lauren? Or cities?

lily.

30-01-2007, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by easypeasy
nobody gets violent after smokin the herb, tell that to the nations binge drinkers.
it never did Bob any harm (apart from the lung cancer)......
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7118/bobsmoke2ep9.th.jpg (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bobsmoke2ep9.jpg)

LoL @ apart from the lung cancer..

But, yes, I am all for legalising cannabis. It's much safer and more sociable than alcohol, and it's legal.

easypeasy

30-01-2007, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Stropz
There are tons of "junkies" in my area (and by junkies, I mean heroin addicts). They are a complete waste of space. Some of them have children, and social work seems incapable of doing anything about the environment these children are being "dragged up" in.

Most of them are petty criminals. They would break into an old lady's house and steal her pension money just to get a fix. Then, the courts do nothing about it.

You are right James, the current drugs policy hasn't worked.. and yet nobody seems to want to change it. yep i hate smack heads and crack-fiends.

lily.

30-01-2007, 08:06 PM

I find that even in this day and age, there are still a lot of people who class everyone who uses drugs as "junkies".

So, that makes Joe Blow with his joint the same as Joe Smackhead with his needle? I think not!.. It saddens me that there are still people who are that narrow-minded.

Lauren

30-01-2007, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Stropz
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by James
The government should set up centres where (Class A) drug-addicts can get - and take - the drugs they need for their addiction, for free.

They have some of those already, to the best of my knowledge.
I think there is only a couple but it was a recent policy to help clean up the streets of "problem areas"

I was not aware of that. Is it just in England then Lauren? Or cities?

I'm not 100% sure because I heard it on the radio one morning - but I think it's in inner-city rundown areas with major problems of syringes on the floor and crime increase (And as far as I am aware it's just in England)

easypeasy

30-01-2007, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Stropz
I find that even in this day and age, there are still a lot of people who class everyone who uses drugs as "junkies".

So, that makes Joe Blow with his joint the same as Joe Smackhead with his needle? I think not!.. It saddens me that there are still people who are that narrow-minded. these are the same people who cant function without at least 10 cups of coffee a day.....

lily.

30-01-2007, 08:12 PM

That's probably why I hadn't heard of it then Lauren.

The thing is, whilst I say that my area is "bad" for junkies.. it's nothing in comparison to some of the inner-city areas. I just think it's bad cuz we have junkies here at all. But, I think no matter where you live nowadays, there's some addicts.

Tanser_Man

30-01-2007, 08:20 PM

- Do you use drugs?

Not anymore.

- Have you ever used drugs, and if so, do you regret it?

I used to smoke cannabis (a little) with mates, not anymore and was never a big fan of it anyway... was more of a social acceptance when i was younger. I regret it now but i'm also glad i have had the experience. Seen both sides of the spoon.

- Do any of your friends use drugs, and if so, how do you feel about this?

Not really, a few people have spliffs but i don't really care... if it makes them happy so beit.

- What do you think of people who do use drugs?

Depends what drugs, hard drugs like smack... i think the people are very very stupid. Smaller drugs that people are willing to risk, not entirely bothered, alough i don't like any of it near me.

- Do you class all drugs the same?

Nope, certain drugs are acceptable.

- What do you think of "recreational drug use"?

If people feel the need, so beit... they will learn from there mistakes.

- Do you consider some drugs to be safe?

All have there side effects so, unless medically proven, nothing is safe to take.

- Would you like to see any drugs legalised/decriminalised?

Nope. I think the laws now are good enough at the moment.

- Do you class all drug users the same?

Nope. Different scenarios, different storys, different reasons.

- Do you think the current methadone program is worthwhile?

I don't really agree with using drugs to overcome drugs tbh. They'll become addicted to the buzz off methadone, so its a lose lose situation.

- Do you think that kids are well enough educated nowadays about the risks of drugs?

When i was at school it was talked about alot, so yes. TV only enforces the dangers these days.

easypeasy

30-01-2007, 08:28 PM

It is interesting how a lot of the worlds most acclaimed and creative minds were fueled by psych-altering substances and other cultures revere the use of plants to enhance the spirit.
Theres a difference between that and "gettin off your ead"

Slartibartfast

30-01-2007, 08:31 PM

- Do you use drugs?

Yes, I still smoke cannabis (resin, can't get grass/weed where I am)on a fairly regular basis. Have been doing this since I was in Uni.

- Have you ever used drugs, and if so, do you regret it?

Apart from still using cannabis, I have taken an "E" once many years ago. Wasn't really my kind of thing and I was never into the whole dance/rave music scene that E was associated with, so never really bothered with E. During Uni, I would probably have taken acid if I could have got some, but never had the opportunity since it's so hard to get here. I did have the option to take coke before but I wouldn't touch it. I don't regret any of my drug choices.

- Do any of your friends use drugs, and if so, how do you feel about this?

Most of my old Uni mates where big potheads, I was too so didn't mind. One guy did a lot of coke and it screwed him badly. He got treatment and is doing much better now (he still likes a spliff every now and then!) Nowadays, my mates generally take a smoke but not that much and nothing else.
- What do you think of people who do use drugs?

Depends on the drug. I have no problem with people smoking a bit of cannabis.

- Do you class all drugs the same?

No.

- What do you think of "recreational drug use"?

Again, depends on the drug. There are certain drugs which I don't think you can take on a recreational basis, they become too much a part of your life that it's no longer recreational.

- Do you consider some drugs to be safe?

I have smoked cannabis for years and still been able to have a (so far!!) relatively successful career in a relatively stressful job. So I think it has been safe enough for me, but not everyone reacts the same and obviously not all drugs are the same.

- Would you like to see any drugs legalised/decriminalised?

Yep, cannabis. Generally harmless stuff, especially compared to alcohol and nicotine. If these three drugs were presented to the government today for the first time, alcohol and nicotine would be much more likely to be criminalised than cannabis would. Cannabis should be legal.

- Do you class all drug users the same?

No, in my view, generally coke and heroin users are in a different league to your potheads and E users. But every drug has the capability of taking over the life of anyone, so it depends on the person as well.

- Do you think the current methadone program is worthwhile?

Don't know enough about it.

- Do you think that kids are well enough educated nowadays about the risks of drugs?

No idea!

Some interesting views on this thread so far. One thing I'd say is I never accept a "slippery slope" argument in any context simply cos as a peice of reasoning, it's fundamentally flawed. Plus using cannabis hasn't led me to using stronger or more dangerous drugs.

I was a complete hippy stoner at university (long hair down to my a***, led zeppelin t-shirt on constantly, only drank in dark, dingey bars that played weird psychedelic music and had a relaxed attitude to the occasional spliff being lit up!!). Now that I am bit older, I still like a smoke, although it doesn't form the basis for my social life and circle of friends like it did way back in the (good???) old days at Uni.

Wow, I feel better for sharing. Lets all have group hug (while I try to get this thai stick lit.... :tongue: )

sol

30-01-2007, 09:16 PM

- Do you use drugs? No
- Have you ever used drugs, and if so, do you regret it? No, but I've been in the company of other people taking them and have also been offered them, which wasn't pleasant.
- Do any of your friends use drugs, and if so, how do you feel about this? One of my friends from my old school did along with some of his friends from his area who I didn't know very well. I felt uneasy when in their company.
- What do you think of people who do use drugs? I think that they need help, there's usally something not quite right in their lives which is the reason why they take drugs.
- Do you class all drugs the same? No, things like alcohol and nicotine are different to heroin etc...
- What do you think of "recreational drug use"? It's not as bad I don't think but could still get out of control and cause serious harm to people
- Do you consider some drugs to be safe? I don't think that soft drugs are as dangerous as hard drugs but I still wouldn't regard any drugs to be safe. Even nocotine and alcohol damages your health if used too often for too long.
- Would you like to see any drugs legalised/decriminalised? No
- Do you class all drug users the same? I think that people who take hard drugs are far worse than people who take soft drugs, I also think that injecting is way worse as well.
- Do you think the current methadone program is worthwhile? I've only just found out what this is, but from what I can see, if it gets people off drugs and onto a drug that is not harmful then surely that's a positive thing.
- Do you think that kids are well enough educated nowadays about the risks of drugs? Funnily enough we had a workshop at school today talking about drugs but I didn't really learn anything that I didn't know before. I think that many kids aren't well educated enough about drugs as many still go and take them.

lily.

30-01-2007, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by Slartibartfast
Some interesting views on this thread so far. One thing I'd say is I never accept a "slippery slope" argument in any context simply cos as a peice of reasoning, it's fundamentally flawed. Plus using cannabis hasn't led me to using stronger or more dangerous drugs.

100% Agree. A lot of the people I know who are opposed to cannabis use that as their argument, yet my close friends, who have smoked it since adolescence, haven't progressed to anything else. Many of them don't even drink much either. So, for me it's more of a lifestyle choice.

I no longer smoke cannabis, but that is mostly because I'm a mother. I wouldn't smoke whilst pregnant obviously, and I just have a different outlook on things now, and try to live a cleaner lifestyle overall. But, that doesn't mean that I think all mothers/fathers shouldn't smoke it. I would much rather they smoked hash than drank alcohol. Again, just my opinion.

I find this thread very enlightening. I'm glad I started it. I find that I share the same views as the FMs who are around my age, but it's interesting to hear the views of the under 21s, as I obviously am completely out of touch with that generation.. being an "oldie".. :laugh:

lily.

30-01-2007, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by easypeasy
It is interesting how a lot of the worlds most acclaimed and creative minds were fueled by psych-altering substances and other cultures revere the use of plants to enhance the spirit.
Theres a difference between that and "gettin off your ead"

True. However, at what cost? I mean, they might have created something amazing whilst in a drug induced state.. but did it adversely affect other parts of their life?

For me, some drugs are absolutely acceptable, and some aren't. But it also depends on the individual and the circumstances

SiMoN!

30-01-2007, 09:50 PM

i have never felt the need to do drugs

and for a 17 yr old i dont even drink that much - not as much as my mates do

Sunny_01

30-01-2007, 10:47 PM

- Do you use drugs?
Not anymore

- Have you ever used drugs, and if so, do you regret it?
Yes I did used to take drugs quite heavily. Do I regret it I have to say NO I am who I am because of all my experinces in life drug taking included

- Do any of your friends use drugs, and if so, how do you feel about this?
Yes they do in fact I have had a friend die of an overdose 2 years ago

- What do you think of people who do use drugs?
I dont think that you can clump all drug users into a nice fits all what do I think category. I do think that they are foolish (myself included) though and should really think before taking that first hit, it aint never going to be your only one!

- Do you class all drugs the same?
Yep - if something is a mild altering substance then it is a drug

- What do you think of "recreational drug use"?
Not a lot really - just think it is the same as regualr use just with blinkers on really the old "I'm not dependent or anythin"

- Do you consider some drugs to be safe?
Nope - all can cause long term physical and enduring mental health problems

- Would you like to see any drugs legalised/decriminalised?
No I would like to see some re-classified into a higher class, for example cannabis, the mental health problems that people suffer after regular use of this is unbelievable
- Do you think the current methadone program is worthwhile?
It's inneffective, expensive and a way to make money for the government. Methadone is actually more addictive than Heroin, it is a purer substance, why replace one with the other, ah yes to get money!!

- Do you think that kids are well enough educated nowadays about the risks of drugs?
Not really - it is still a bit taboo in schools, it is a case of here is the leaflet read it and take note

Sophii3x

30-01-2007, 11:05 PM

I hate Drugs, never taken any, never will. They **** up people's lives.
My sisters friend took cocaine just before a GCSE exam.. Idiot. Also a few people in my year take them.

I also hate everything about smoking

Lauren

30-01-2007, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by Sophii3x
I hate Drugs, never taken any, never will. They **** up people's lives.

I can see your point, but as many people have already mentioned - not all drugs have long term affects on peoples lives. Just something to take into account.

Sophii3x

30-01-2007, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Sophii3x
I hate Drugs, never taken any, never will. They **** up people's lives.

I can see your point, but as many people have already mentioned - not all drugs have long term affects on peoples lives. Just something to take into account.

Yes of course
But they do really effect long term users

Look at Pete Doherty- what a mess and all becuase of drugs
But I do feel sorry for him, people critisise him and not help him

Feral

30-01-2007, 11:44 PM

Oldie not youngie here!!!!!

- Do you use drugs?

If you mean regulary now I can say no -- stopped smoking Hash/weed/cannibas at Christmas, got sick of buying it, getting it, sitting about with a hazy stare all evening. I had been a regular toker for 12 years.

- Have you ever used drugs, and if so, do you regret it?

E's (not much) Cocaine (now and again) Acid (three times) Mushrooms (good for a laugh) Amphetimine/Speed ( a couple of times, good for weight loss but you can lose your teeth, knocks Calcium out of your body) did a bit of brown (once - crap!!! stared a ceiling, fell asleep) home made Opium (threw up, stared at ceiling, fell asleep) Should never regret anything in life - just wanted to see what they did. Use don't abuse - learn about the pro's and cons before taking - education is key.

- Do any of your friends use drugs, and if so, how do you feel about this?

Majority of 'mates' tokers or was - started looking at them differently lately, all bums sitting about playing XBox and/or moaning or depressed.I have a good job, love life ,got get up and go just want more out of life now - if not money! Cannot do that stoned all the time, no motivation to do anything.

- What do you think of people who do use drugs?

I hate Junkies (smack, crack) have drummed that in my head an d have no intention of ever hanging around with 'people' who do that. This answer is tricky as people are fine if do now and again - but I have seen the victims of drug use from those who live in a parellell dimension due to too much acid, paranoid freaks who have done too much cocaine, people with major depression from too much hash and the like, psychosis from Skunk. Defo got stronger over the years and I think now Skunk is becoming the more dangerous because it is compared with hash and they are no way the same should be Class A and stay there.

- Do you class all drugs the same?

No and yes - again hard to answer on a forum,
Skunk, Cocaine, Heroin, Crystal Meths, Kettamine, K, Crack, smack, Oil -CLASS A
Hash (solid) E (one pill) - CLASS B
See it's not necessary the drug but how much and what with - someone did a bit of coke with Viagra!!! Said it got them right off but on their own in moderation - OK. Education again.

- What do you think of "recreational drug use"?

Define recreational - the odd joint maybe OK a line now and again OK but not everyday all day. Education again.

- Do you consider some drugs to be safe?

No drug is safe!!!! Alters your mind and perception and behaviour - down to the individual on how they can process what it is doing to them and how they cope with the effects and what damage it does long term. Christ even pharmacuticals are dangerous!!!

- Would you like to see any drugs legalised/decriminalised?

Would not make a blind bit of difference to the market - maybe clean some of it up ie 'E' testing at clubs, but there will always be a black market. Alcohol and tobacco is legal but people buy it cheap of a back of a lorry. Perhaps there would be a few individuals who would not be interested because the 'cool' factor would go. Debatable.

- Do you class all drug users the same?

Two types - Drug users - drugs abusers.

- Do you think the current methadone program is worthwhile?

Er no!!!!!! like prev answers, methodone is the hardest drug to come off, *ucks your body and you become chemicalised. Better going cold turkey and go through the detox.
Millions of pounds is being wasted on it. Most sell it on.
There was an experiment in Liverpool as an alternative to Meth called 'reefer' (forget the real name of the chemical, cigerette was dipped into it) much worse and people just saved them up and sold them on to by Heroin!!

- Do you think that kids are well enough educated nowadays about the risks of drugs?

Not sure - I would like to think they were properly educated, unless 'Frank' knows all!!! I believe in choice - but then I educated myself - effects, long term damage, possibles if all goes wrong.

If a friend is pushing drugs onto you -- they are not your friend.

Make your own mind up after you have educated yourself.

Make your own choices - it's you that will have to live with the consequences.

Try not to do anything before you are at least 18 - - the young brain should be cared for and still growing and connecting - don't spoil it!!! You will need it in later life.

Spend your own money - if you cannot afford it then you shouldn't be doing it!!!

Hope it helps!!!! Need a coffee!!!!!!!!!!

Take care.

:thumbs:

Lauren

30-01-2007, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Feral_One
did a bit of brown (once - c**p!!! stared a ceiling, fell asleep)

Whats brown?
And whats a toker?

Sorry I'm really naive to all this drug malarky. :laugh:

Sophii3x

30-01-2007, 11:47 PM

Wow Feral_One you know a lot about drugs

Are you clean now? If so.. well done:bigsmile:

The_Hitman

30-01-2007, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Feral_One
did a bit of brown (once - c**p!!! stared a ceiling, fell asleep)

Whats brown?
And whats a toker?

Sorry I'm really naive to all this drug malarky. :laugh:

Brown = heroin

Toker = Smoker

Yes ladies, we're dealing with one messed up skanky junkie here.

Feral

30-01-2007, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
[quote]Originally posted by Feral_One
did a bit of brown (once - c**p!!! stared a ceiling, fell asleep)

Whats brown? Heroin

And whats a toker? Someone who smokes weed/ cannabis (Toke on a joint)

Sorry I'm really naive to all this drug malarky. :laugh:

No need to laugh - always asks questions - good to know the answers.

Feel free to ask me anything!

Feral

30-01-2007, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by The_Hitman

Yes ladies, we're dealing with one messed up skanky junkie here.

If you saw me you wouldn't have known!!!!

:tongue:

Lauren

31-01-2007, 12:33 AM

Nothing like a bit of shameless self promotion on a topic titled "Serious Debate" :tongue:
Nah, only kidding - but you probably coulda U2U'd the pic?

Anyway, in response to your post about the drugs you've done - in the end I feel it's anyones choice to take drugs as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. And obviously in your case it's only affecting you - :thumbs:

Most people have taken drugs for the experience, mainly during their younger years but it seems not many people carry it on any further than that. Why is that? And what makes you want to carry on? Do you ALWAYS get a buzz from it, or have their been bad experiences?

Feral

31-01-2007, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by Lauren
Nothing like a bit of shameless self promotion on a topic titled "Serious Debate" :tongue:
Nah, only kidding - but you probably coulda U2U'd the pic?

Anyway, in response to your post about the drugs you've done - in the end I feel it's anyones choice to take drugs as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. And obviously in your case it's only affecting you - :thumbs:

Most people have taken drugs for the experience, mainly during their younger years but it seems not many people carry it on any further than that. Why is that? And what makes you want to carry on? Do you ALWAYS get a buzz from it, or have their been bad experiences?

Pic removed!! Sorry.

Back to the debate....................

:thumbs:

ttw

31-01-2007, 09:19 AM

Where I live the majority of people (well that I know of) smoke weed or have smoked weed but rarely progress onto anything heavier, although there are a few crackheads around.

I wouldn't class weed the same as say heroin, as it doesn't have as extreme damaging effects. Alot of people I know that smoke weed lead normal lives and the weed doesn't effect their lives. But weed does effect some people in small ways but without them knowing it.

I used to smoke but don't any more just because I feel I don't really need to, but saying that I still drink and that is worse then smoking for me because when I smoke I am never falling on the floor or waking up with a banging headache and vomiting everywhere lol

Alcohol is a drug it has the same effects as other drugs, it's just legal because the government want to make money.

I see far more drunks around causing trouble then I do people smoking weed & causing trouble.

"I got five on it"

~Kizwiz~

31-01-2007, 09:30 AM

This is a tricky one for me as I've moved away from a part of my life that was shrouded in drugs. So I will try and answer honestly.

- Do you use drugs?
I did, not anymore

- Have you ever used drugs, and if so, do you regret it?
Yes and no, they have given me some great experiences and some horrid ones
The move away helped me break the habit. I believe that if i stayed where I was, the destructive relationship would have lead me down a path of serious addiction. Having said that, I now know not to put myself in any situation where I could be offered it again..... once an addict always an addict

- Do any of your friends use drugs, and if so, how do you feel about this?
I was in two circles of friend, ones who used weed in a recreational way and the other group was a far more addictive substance. I'm glad I dont do it anymore but i'm not in the circle of friends anymore.

- What do you think of people who do use drugs?
Its their choice

- Do you class all drugs the same?
No...... not at all

- What do you think of "recreational drug use"?
Like I said, its their choice

- Do you consider some drugs to be safe?
in the right hands yes, The natural drugs like weed and shrooms are ok if treated and respected for what they are

- Would you like to see any drugs legalised/decriminalised?
Weed for medical use only

- Do you class all drug users the same?
No... you cant class someone who smokes a bit of blow at the weekend as a junkie on heroin

- Do you think the current methadone program is worthwhile?
No..... they need to be monitored far more closely and have greater support to be able to come off it

- Do you think that kids are well enough educated nowadays about the risks of drugs?
Absolutely not.....kids need examples..... send an ex addict in and let the kids ask questions

Ella

31-01-2007, 09:34 AM

I don't like to admit it, but i'm hoping I won't get judged to much by members of the forum. I used to do Cocaine on a regular basis, Usually when I was out clubbing..It gave me a high that alcohol could never give me, then I started getting frequent nose bleeds so I decided to stop, I haven't done Charlie for ages now. Thank God I didn't get addicted to it.

Sophii3x

31-01-2007, 09:37 AM

Ella

31-01-2007, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Sophii3x
Originally posted by Elz_Belz
I don't like to admit it, but i'm hoping I won't get judged to much by members of the forum. I used to do Cocaine on a regular basis, Usually when I was out clubbing..It gave me a high that alcohol could never give me, then I started getting frequent nose bleeds so I decided to stop, I haven't done Charlie for ages now. Thank God I didn't get addicted to it.

No one will judge you Ella!

Hehe that's good then, It's all in the past anyway and i'm not ashamed to admit it. I would never go back to that again though :nono: << Even Bob agrees

Sophii3x

31-01-2007, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Elz_Belz
Originally posted by Sophii3x
Originally posted by Elz_Belz
I don't like to admit it, but i'm hoping I won't get judged to much by members of the forum. I used to do Cocaine on a regular basis, Usually when I was out clubbing..It gave me a high that alcohol could never give me, then I started getting frequent nose bleeds so I decided to stop, I haven't done Charlie for ages now. Thank God I didn't get addicted to it.

No one will judge you Ella!

Hehe that's good then, It's all in the past anyway and i'm not ashamed to admit it. I would never go back to that again though :nono: << Even Bob agrees

hehe :nono:Bob does agree
I'm glad you stopped taking cocaine, especially when it was effecting your health.

~Kizwiz~

31-01-2007, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by Elz_Belz
I don't like to admit it, but i'm hoping I won't get judged to much by members of the forum. I used to do Cocaine on a regular basis, Usually when I was out clubbing..It gave me a high that alcohol could never give me, then I started getting frequent nose bleeds so I decided to stop, I haven't done Charlie for ages now. Thank God I didn't get addicted to it.

I never judge anyone..... its good not to hide it. i think once we do that then it becomes mysterious and thats why kids try it... to see whats its like.

I like you I used to do Charlie on a regular basis I worked in a stockbrokers and it was the norm. They all did it.... partied too hard on it and then used it to get through the day. I'm not proud of what i did but then I met Red, my circumstances changed and I grew up. I realized what I had going for me and what was in my future.

After moving back home for a while I've now moved to Leeds with Red, the prospect of going back to work is mixed. I love working but I dont want to put myself anywhere near the kind of environment I was in.

lily.

31-01-2007, 11:05 AM

Go for a career change Kiz. That might be just what you need.

Feral, very open and honest response there also. And, it's good that others can ask questions as well. We can all learn something from this debate.

Ella, nobody will judge you. I'm glad people are being honest in this topic. I was a bit worried that nobody would say anything and I would be left looking like the mad druggie. But, everyone has been very upfront, and nobody has been judgemental. I'm glad you stopped doing C though. Good on you. :thumbs:

Anthony, I pretty much agree with your views on hash/weed. I don't see it as a big deal either, and don't find it worrying that you smoke it. Oh, and off-topic.. love your avvy! hahaha..

Lauren, you are right when you say that most people seem to outgrow it. I find that my peer group outgrew it for different reasons. Some people's lifestyle changed, or their jobs, or they got into or out of a relationship. Sometimes it's when you move into a different circle of friends. For me it was a combination of things... but mainly it was due to a particularly bad experience with a few dodgy E's. That was a wake-up call for me, and I decided that enough was enough, and that I didn't want to be the next face on the front page of the Daily Record. If it weren't for that I would have outgrown it though I'm sure. I was almost 20 at that point and my life was changing loads.. job, friends etc.. and my relationship was getting serious, so I had a future to look forward to, instead of just living in the present, which I had been doing for so long.

I don't regret any of my past experiences, but I live my whole life that way. I believe every life experience is character building in some way, and I wouldn't be the person I am today if it weren't for the experiences I have had in my past. So, since I'm happy with my life today, there's no room for regrets.

~Kizwiz~

31-01-2007, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by Stropz
Go for a career change Kiz. That might be just what you need.

You might be right there honey.

I never regret what I have done. Life is for living. These experiences I had with drugs has made me aware of my limits and now I know not to go into situations where I could be dragged back in.

But its also made me aware on how i can talk to my children and give them my experiences when the time is right to make sure they know the dangers involved.

Emilee

31-01-2007, 07:59 PM

I think people who take drugs have made a stupid mistake to even try them (same with smokers) - if you dont try it you'll never knoew if you like it or not.

However, I do think that cannabis should be legalised for people like my mom with MS (multiple sclerosis) to relieve the pain. Even though there are always consequences with taking any drug.

Other than that, I feel sorry for drug users, because they are addicted to it, and the drug is now overpowering their brain. I blame it on the drug dealers, they are out to ******* up peoples lives for a bit of cash, its not right.

Siouxsie

31-01-2007, 07:59 PM

I tried E many years ago. At the time it was a great laugh. All my soft toys came to life and my plants started dancing around the room. I thought everything around me was hilariouse. I slept for about two days afterwards. It was very frightening. Everything i touched seemed to feel like sponge. My mind was completely took over, Once was enough for me. I will stick to the vodka thank you.:flower:

Emilee

31-01-2007, 08:04 PM

OMG! drug use sounds scary, never ever going to try it!

Whats E?

Siouxsie

31-01-2007, 09:12 PM

Ecstasy

easypeasy

31-01-2007, 09:57 PM

glad im not the only one who's had a "experimental" youth.hehe.

lily.

01-02-2007, 11:24 AM

Far from it easypeasy. I think you would find that most people in our age group have a "shady past". It was the thing to do at the time.

Ruth

01-02-2007, 11:52 AM

I don't know anyone who hasn't smoked cannabis. I would never try anything harder (unless you count alcohol - and there are far more fights and criminal acts committed by people who are drunk than by people who are stoned), but I have no problem with people smoking cannabis.

J.C.

02-02-2007, 01:37 AM

A few years ago cannabis was decriminalized (not legalized) in my local London borough as part of a UK trial.For the first time ever my friends and I could enjoy a little number in the comfort of our own homes without feeling like criminals.This was the right way forward because prior to this I had smoked with A newspaper editor,many lawyers and just about everyone else I knew!!!My doctor even recommended it the day before I started chemotherapy,and what a giggle that was when she said, I don`t how you can get it but I have heard it helps, wink wink!!!(it certainly did too).
The only other drug I tried was LSD once and that was `spectacular`but not something I needed to experience twice.
Any friends I have who are messed up, are like this 100% because of excessive alchohol and/or Cocaine use and certainly not cannabis.
Its not possible to generalize or pre judge about drugs because they are all so completely different. I would never now try a hard drug and for that matter I am not recommending trying anything.Cannabis makes you lazy
and I don`t like wasting time so I smoke it socially and nothing more.
Ofcourse, like everything these days the trial was ruined by a small minority who chose to take the Pis* out of the police by lighting up in front of them in the street !!
Anyway, the worst part is that the tobacco element is bad for your health and the cost is rediculously high because it is illegal ,even tho I suspect that
atleast 70% of Parliament have tried it and probably 20% are regular users,
and hypocrites!!
Also, I have noticed that people who try any drug at a young age are far more at risk for many many reasons.

Cannabis should be decriminalized and also prescribed for certain medical conditions especially post traumatic stress as it blocks out nightmares/dreaming. Also, anyone wishing to give it up should smoke it for two days with a herbal cigarette(from private chemists) rather than tobacco and then there is no withdrawal when you actually stop.
Hard drugs are a big no no,one only need look around to see this is true.
:thumbs:

Sunny_01

02-02-2007, 09:54 PM

I obviously attended the same school of drugs as Feral did. I was always much more interested in a high than getting stoned! I hated Heroin, I smoked it once and god it was awful. I always much preferred Coke and Speed. I did used to enjoy a smoke as well.

I knew I had problems when like someone else on here I started getting frequent nose bleeds. I put my life change down to meeting my hubby. He helped me realise that I could actually get just as high on life if I believed in myself and my own abilities.

02-02-2007, 11:55 PM

- Do you use drugs?

No. A lot of my friends do and I get the effects through passive smoking, depending on how many people are smoking joints.

- Have you ever used drugs, and if so, do you regret it?

See above. I don't particularly like the feeling, I usually get a headache and feel ill, which has put me off ever trying drugs. I know this seems presumptious, but I'm not willing to risk wasting money on a habit like that.

- Do any of your friends use drugs, and if so, how do you feel about this?

A lot of my friends are older than me, people that you might expect me to look up to, but I think being able to watch them waste their money and nearly get arrested by the police for dealing is more of a lesson than actually trying drugs, because I get to see the really seedy parts, where a friend will get the drugs off his supplier and try to sell them on. It's saddening.

- What do you think of people who do use drugs?

As I've said, many of my friends do drugs, varying from smoking joints to snorting cocaine, and I admit that I do look down on them, but I'd never put them down or give an opinion about it in their presence.

- Do you class all drugs the same?

No, smoking joints, as far as I know, is something that isn't even all that addictive, it's nowhere near as bad as cocaine where you can lose parts of your nose and paying outrageous sums for such a small amount.

- What do you think of "recreational drug use"?

"I pity the foo'." But seriously, it's not something I'd want to get into because I've seen some pretty straight-and-narrow people go off the rails, and it all starts with "recreational drug use"

- Do you consider some drugs to be safe?

I'm not well informed, but I think your acids, LSDs and Ecstasy's of the world are relatively safe.

- Would you like to see any drugs legalised/decriminalised?

Smoking joints, it seems to be widely available, and one of my friends even started rolling up a joint in the middle of Costa Coffee and nobody seemed to care.

- Do you class all drug users the same?

Definitely not, I wouldn't ever compare somebody who will smoke marijuana to somebody who's injecting heroin into their veins. It just pales in comparison, you really can't see injection as acceptable.

- Do you think the current methadone program is worthwhile?

In a word, no. It's just as addictive, and it's free, it's great for drug addicts to be quite frank.

- Do you think that kids are well enough educated nowadays about the risks of drugs?

I really don't think we are, schools don't prepare you for peer pressure and friends and your idols offering you drugs, making you feel like you've got no choice. One of my closest friends always said he'd never do drugs "because it messes up your life" and all the regurgitated crap that school tells you, and he's popping Ecstasy every weekend. It's really sad to see your friends go down that path, especially when they were saying the same thing as you "I'd never take drugs" and yet there they are, injecting, smoking, swallowing, snorting... it's just not enough to tell us what drugs look like and "don't take them", I genuinely think we should be put on some kind of course to see who would accept drugs unwittingly.