The racist see-saw?

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/26/21/349B039100000578-0-image-m-34_1464295941588.jpg

How do you feel about this poster advert that is purporting to inform people to vote in the EU election?

[_Tom_]

Not Trevor from Hollyoaks' first new job.

[Niamh.]

hhmmm I think it's good that they're encouraging people to vote because it's important but it does give the impression that Nazis vote Yes

[Livia]

White males are racist?

[Headie]

All I interpret from it is that the message is "an ethnic minority woman's vote is the same as a white males vote" - or am I missing something?

[Kizzy]

Is that a brexit poster?

[Livia]

All I interpret from it is that the message is "an ethnic minority woman's vote is the same as a white males vote" - or am I missing something?

The aggression of the white male?

[Kizzy]

Maybe they want angry ignorant bigots to vote, it's worked for trump :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

all i see is a racist nasty white male who is for the exit shouting at a lovely innocent immigrant lady who wants to stay in the EU

or some such ridiculous bias thing


what if we had a aggressive immigrant man dressed in muslim garb shouting an pointing at a vicar?

[_Tom_]

All I interpret from it is that the message is "an ethnic minority woman's vote is the same as a white males vote" - or am I missing something?

The white man being a violent skinhead... it's horribly racist and offensive to all white British males.

Wanting out of the EU makes us all violent Britain First skinheads does it?

[arista]

Yes he is a Polish Skin Head

[arista]

Is that a brexit poster?


no its to get Blacks to register to vote ad
London


BV
Black Vote

[Headie]

The white man being a violent skinhead... it's horribly racist and offensive to all white British males.

Wanting out of the EU makes us all violent Britain First skinheads does it?

But the poster never states who is voting in and who is voting out? :conf: I get what you mean but you could argue it says more about us that we automatically assume the shouting white skinhead is voting out of the EU - why would it not be the woman?

[Crimson Dynamo]

But the poster never states who is voting in and who is voting out? :conf: I get what you mean but you could argue it says more about us that we automatically assume the shouting white skinhead is voting out of the EU - why would it not be the woman?

what do you think 99.9% of people think when they see it?

[Ashley.]

I'm afraid I've been blinded by the bias so I can't actually see the picture. :think:

[Mokka]

It does suggest a racial divide on the issue...and that the angry white man is against the immigrant on the issue... And I really don't know who is on which side so that's my outside perspective

[Headie]

what do you think 99.9% of people think when they see it?

As someone who does not really follow politics or know what's really going on, I honestly had no idea who was on each "side" of the argument just looking at the photo. I just thought it was showing that everyone's vote is equal and you don't have to vote based on how intimidated someone makes you feel for not voting their way :laugh: So I guess I'm that 0.01% :laugh:

[_Tom_]

But the poster never states who is voting in and who is voting out? :conf: I get what you mean but you could argue it says more about us that we automatically assume the shouting white skinhead is voting out of the EU - why would it not be the woman?

"Operation Black Vote"

[MTVN]

Its definitely a powerful message. Ethnic minorities are more likely to favour staying in the EU but they're also less likely to vote so its a good reminder that you can lose out if you don't participate in the democratic process.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its definitely a powerful message. Ethnic minorities are more likely to favour staying in the EU but they're also less likely to vote so its a good reminder that you can lose out if you don't participate in the democratic process.

what scare them with a fictitious stereotype situation?

[MB.]

I think it's great

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think it's great

stop sexualising it, he is straight

:fist:

[Livia]

If it had been a big black man shouting and wagging his finger at a little white granny there would have been hell on, and rightly so. The fact it's a white man wagging his finger and shouting at a little Asian granny is no less inflammatory, in my opinion.

[MTVN]

what scare them with a fictitious stereotype situation?

Well its basically just a twist on 'if you don't vote you can't complain' really, think its quite clever myself

[_Tom_]

Well its basically just a twist on 'if you don't vote you can't complain' really, think its quite clever myself

They could have done without a skinhead pointing aggressively at an elderly Asian lady, though. There are other ways to get the message across than offend with horrible stereotypes, incite hatred and create division.

[Niamh.]

They could have done without a skinhead pointing aggressively at an elderly Asian lady, though. There are other ways to get the message across than offend with horrible stereotypes, incite hatred and create division.

Maybe he's angry because the old lady just pushed his kid off the see saw and just sat there looking smugly at him

[Crimson Dynamo]

also its not even real as he weighs more so she would shoot out the top and land on the ground and dislocate her hips

[_Tom_]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjeBWiqWsAIrZd6.jpg

[Ashley.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjeBWiqWsAIrZd6.jpg

I mean they didn't have to use a child as a 'comparison'...

[_Tom_]

I mean they didn't have to use a child as a 'comparison'...

I was thinking that, since a child can't vote... but you get the principle :laugh:

[user104658]

I mean they didn't have to use a child as a 'comparison'...

It doesn't even make sense; children can't vote... no matter what colour they are :shrug:

[_Tom_]

Why couldn't the poster just have two well dressed gentlemen or women? Why the disparity in body language and appearance?

[user104658]

Why couldn't the poster just have two well dressed gentlemen or women? Why the disparity in body language and appearance?

Because hardcore Brexit skinheads are likely to be the first lined up at the voting booths when it comes to the EU referrendum, whereas older females of ethnic minorities are amoungst the least likely to vote at all - even though the vote greatly affects them. These women are being encouraged to make sure they vote, in order to "counter-balance" what is certain to be a 100% turnout for British nationalist extremists all voting "out".

[Livia]

Because hardcore Brexit skinheads are likely to be the first lined up at the voting booths when it comes to the EU referrendum, whereas older females of ethnic minorities are amoungst the least likely to vote at all - even though the vote greatly affects them. These women are being encouraged to make sure they vote, in order to "counter-balance" what is certain to be a 100% turnout for British nationalist extremists all voting "out".

And there was me thinking it was a thoughtless, lazy bit of stereotyping.

[user104658]

And there was me thinking it was a thoughtless, lazy bit of stereotyping.

Of course it is, but most stereotypes contain some truth... that's how they start.

[Livia]

Of course it is, but most stereotypes contain some truth... that's how they start.

I didn't realise it was acceptable if it was a white man being stereotyped. I didn't think anyone ought to be stereotyped.

[user104658]

I didn't realise it was acceptable if it was a white man being stereotyped. I didn't think anyone ought to be stereotyped.

Whether or not the poster ought to have been made doesn't have any bearing on the question I was answering, which was: "Why couldn't the poster just have two well dressed gentlemen or women?"

I was only pointing out that having that as a poster wouldn't have been "saying the same thing" as this poster.

I happen to think it's pretty ham-fisted and I'm not a huge form of political propaganda in any form. There are much better ways to engage communities and ensure a good, diverse voter turnout than this.

[Marsh.]

Maybe he's angry because the old lady just pushed his kid off the see saw and just sat there looking smugly at him

:laugh2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

And why is the Indian women dressed in a Sari that is designed for India and the climate they experience there - surely she should try and assimilate into UK culture and dress codes?

and has she learned English?

:suspect:

[Ashley.]

And why is the Indian women dressed in a Sari that is designed for India and the climate they experience there - surely she should try and assimilate into UK culture and dress codes?

and has she learned English?

:suspect:

Never mind that. Have you seen the atrocious job they've done with the grass?

[MTVN]

Don't think the poster would really work the same with a white granny seeing as she has probably sent off her postal vote for Brexit already and had the Vote Leave sign outside her house for weeks

[Crimson Dynamo]

and side saddle on a see-saw?

not realistic.jan

[Jack_]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjeBWiqWsAIrZd6.jpg

Of course the bottom one wouldn't be racist. A black man shouting at a white child (or an adult if we substituted it)? I don't think so. The white person would be far more likely to vote than a black man would be so the implication that they must come out and vote to offset the other would quite frankly be more hilarious than racist.

[Mokka]

Never mind that. Have you seen the atrocious job they've done with the grass?

:joker::joker:

[Ammi]

Its definitely a powerful message. Ethnic minorities are more likely to favour staying in the EU but they're also less likely to vote so its a good reminder that you can lose out if you don't participate in the democratic process.

Well its basically just a twist on 'if you don't vote you can't complain' really, think its quite clever myself

...yeah it's definitely very powerful and a message to ethnic minorities that they could be the people who make the difference in the referendum by casting their votes...I really like it, I have to say....and both really are equally stereotypes...the Asian lady and the white British man...

[Shaun]

I interpreted it as "if you don't like that gobby asshole on Facebook/at work who's been mouthing off about how he's going to vote Leave, then don't be idle, and cancel his vote out by actually turning up."

[Kizzy]

Strikes me most aren't arsed it's a bloke shouting at a granny, the gripe is the depiction of the white male isn't it?

[user104658]

Strikes me most aren't arsed it's a bloke shouting at a granny, the gripe is the depiction of the white male isn't it?

If we're going to start taking issue with blokes shouting down grannies, I'll have to leave TiBB :worry:

... ....

[Kizzy]

If we're going to start taking issue with blokes shouting down grannies, I'll have to leave TiBB :worry:

... ....

Bitch :joker:

[Ashley.]

I interpreted it as "if you don't like that gobby asshole on Facebook/at work who's been mouthing off about how he's going to vote Leave, then don't be idle, and cancel his vote out by actually turning up."

The fact that everybody is interpreting it in different ways is problematic in itself, really. Sure, it may as well not be racist as some have argued, but the fact that people think it is shows that they need to be a little bit clearer on their message.

A poster expressing a certain message should not cause confusion, or else there really isn't much point in the message in the first place.

[MTVN]

They did whiteface Sol Campbell at the general election so they're not new to controversial messaging

http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/641451/stream_img.jpg

[Shaun]

Ah right I see. If they're using him as a point of view worth expressing then perhaps they're best taken with a pinch of salt.

[Northern Monkey]

If it had been a big black man shouting and wagging his finger at a little white granny there would have been hell on, and rightly so. The fact it's a white man wagging his finger and shouting at a little Asian granny is no less inflammatory, in my opinion.
Too right:thumbs:.It is a racist generalisation.

[rubymoo]

I see it as the white aggressive man is the man voting to leave the EU, the little calm dainty indian lady is representative as staying in the EU, what leads me to this view is the fact that this woman is an immigrant wishing to stay in the EU as it's lead to her having the freedom to come to the UK and forge a new life for herself, and the angry white man is wanting her out of the country because she's an immigrant, that's just my interpretation of this poster.

[Ammi]

I see it as the white aggressive man is the man voting to leave the EU, the little calm dainty indian lady is representative as staying in the EU, what leads me to this view is the fact that this woman is an immigrant wishing to stay in the EU as it's lead to her having the freedom to come to the UK and forge a new life for herself, and the angry white man is wanting her out of the country because she's an immigrant, that's just my interpretation of this poster.

..I guess how I interpreted it is more in the future than now in that if ethnic voters don't use their vote../have their say, then that becomes more a 'white Britain' or an all white Britain because their voices aren't being heard../being registered...so the 'skinhead' type person is representing an all white country...I think that they're trying to portray a 'powerful white person' in a representation of what the majority of voters are and have been and a 'weak ethnic person', also representing that many ethnic people don't use their vote...

[Beso]

there is no way they are the same weight!

[Ammi]

...clever lady sewed some weights into the hem of her sari though...that's why he's so frustrated and annoyed, he thought that he had it in the bag....

[stvdno]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/26/21/349B039100000578-0-image-m-34_1464295941588.jpg

How do you feel about this poster advert that is purporting to inform people to vote in the EU election?

I feel very offended by this advert on more than one level. First it is stereotyping the white English male as very offensive towards black people. Sorry can I use the word black I must be careful not to incite racism the way this advertisement is clearly racist towards white people but I suppose this must be ok.:nono:
Secondly the poster could possibly be seen as an advertisement supporting domestic abuse :fist:. Who ever agreed to running this advertisement I believe should be held accountable. This is clearly an offensive and abusive poster!

[DemolitionRed]

I see it as the white aggressive man is the man voting to leave the EU, the little calm dainty indian lady is representative as staying in the EU, what leads me to this view is the fact that this woman is an immigrant wishing to stay in the EU as it's lead to her having the freedom to come to the UK and forge a new life for herself, and the angry white man is wanting her out of the country because she's an immigrant, that's just my interpretation of this poster.

This is what I see. The poster is aimed at ethnic vote and its claiming a lot of those voting out are voting out because of them.

I find it neither offensive or untrue; lots of voters will vote out because of the immigrant situation and the political campaign isn't ignorant to that fact.

[Beso]

...clever lady sewed some weights into the hem of her sari though...that's why he's so frustrated and annoyed, he thought that he had it in the bag....

it will be her suicide belt.

[Jamie89]

I think it's only really offensive if you look at the poster assuming that the white man depicted is meant to represent all white males. I don't think it is though. It's showing one example of the reality that a lot of ethnic minorities face, and why shouldn't that be highlighted? Should it not be highlighted because of the risk of upsetting the white males who aren't represented in the ad?

The whole point of the ad is to get more to people to vote (people who are British but are sometimes made to feel like they aren't), and that's a really difficult thing to do so an ad like this needs to be powerful, and most importantly, not pander to the wants of the white population. It needs to give a message that people of ethnic minorities can relate to, regardless of how that might make white people feel.

I look at the ad and think, neither of those people represent me, this ad isn't meant for me, and so it's kind of meaningless to me. But there will be a great deal of people from ethnic minorities who'll feel a strong connection with it and it might be enough to urge them to vote whereas they might have otherwise not done. Isn't that a good thing?

I just think in cases like this, even if something is perceived as having negative connotations towards white people, we should just put up with it to be honest. White men have it good enough in society to be able to take the occasional hit if the cause is worthwhile.

[stvdno]

I think it's only really offensive if you look at the poster assuming that the white man depicted is meant to represent all white males. I don't think it is though. It's showing one example of the reality that a lot of ethnic minorities face, and why shouldn't that be highlighted? Should it not be highlighted because of the risk of upsetting the white males who aren't represented in the ad?

The whole point of the ad is to get more to people to vote (people who are British but are sometimes made to feel like they aren't), and that's a really difficult thing to do so an ad like this needs to be powerful, and most importantly, not pander to the wants of the white population. It needs to give a message that people of ethnic minorities can relate to, regardless of how that might make white people feel.

I look at the ad and think, neither of those people represent me, this ad isn't meant for me, and so it's kind of meaningless to me. But there will be a great deal of people from ethnic minorities who'll feel a strong connection with it and it might be enough to urge them to vote whereas they might have otherwise not done. Isn't that a good thing?

I just think in cases like this, even if something is perceived as having negative connotations towards white people, we should just put up with it to be honest. White men have it good enough in society to be able to take the occasional hit if the cause is worthwhile.

You appear to be inciting racism!!!

[Livia]

The message for me is this: Don't be a white man with tattoos and a shaven head or you're fair game for every lazy stereotype-merchant in the business. And you will be told not to take offence.

[user104658]

The message for me is this: Don't be a white man with tattoos and a shaven head or you're fair game for every lazy stereotype-merchant in the business. And you will be told not to take offence.

Now that's not entirely true either though, is it. His clothing (white shirt, light blue jeans, high boots) is practically "white supremacist skinhead" uniform. All he's missing is the green bomber jacket. Stereotype? Yes, but it's a very specific one and doesn't include "all white men with tattoos and a bald head", nor does it suggest that all men of that description are white supremacists.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Now that's not entirely true either though, is it. His clothing (white shirt, light blue jeans, high boots) is practically "white supremacist skinhead" uniform. All he's missing is the green bomber jacket. Stereotype? Yes, but it's a very specific one and doesn't include "all white men with tattoos and a bald head", nor does it suggest that all men of that description are white supremacists.

I am very partial to 18 hole ox-blood dms and the odd fred perry

:fist:

[Livia]

Now that's not entirely true either though, is it. His clothing (white shirt, light blue jeans, high boots) is practically "white supremacist skinhead" uniform. All he's missing is the green bomber jacket. Stereotype? Yes, but it's a very specific one and doesn't include "all white men with tattoos and a bald head", nor does it suggest that all men of that description are white supremacists.

If you want to judge every book by its cover, then you crack on TS. But while you're feeling at liberty tojudge him because you consider his clothing to be "practically white supremacist" garb, don't for God's sake make the same shallow judgement about someone wearing a hijab, will you... or there'll be hell to pay.

[user104658]

If you want to judge every book by its cover, then you crack on TS. But while you're feeling at liberty tojudge him because you consider his clothing to be "practically white supremacist" garb, don't for God's sake make the same shallow judgement about someone wearing a hijab, will you... or there'll be hell to pay.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Utter nonsense Livia, no one steps out of their front door wearing what the guy in that picture is wearing without it being a deliberate statement. Come on. It's like seeing someone wearing a space suit and saying "Don't be judgemental guys, don't assume he's dressed as an astronaut, he might just be feeling chilly!"

[user104658]

I am very partial to 18 hole ox-blood dms and the odd fred perry

:fist:

Yeah... but this is legit the first result on google when you type in "The Leather Trumpet Youth".

http://lghttp.33667.nexcesscdn.net/80F42C/magento/manual/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/skinheads-in-bomber-jackets.jpg

[Livia]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Utter nonsense Livia, no one steps out of their front door wearing what the guy in that picture is wearing without it being a deliberate statement. Come on. It's like seeing someone wearing a space suit and saying "Don't be judgemental guys, don't assume he's dressed as an astronaut, he might just be feeling chilly!"

I understand that you never consider the fact you may be wrong TS, and I know that you feel free to speak to me like I'm a child who's never had an original thought... but overlooking all that... your premise that it's okay to stereotype some people on what they're wearing but not others is utterly preposterous. You'll be telling me next that the woman in the short skirt is a slut.

[user104658]

I understand that you never consider the fact you may be wrong TS, and I know that you feel free to speak to me like I'm a child who's never had an original thought... but overlooking all that... your premise that it's okay to stereotype some people on what they're wearing but not others is utterly preposterous. You'll be telling me next that the woman in the short skirt is a slut.

I'll admit it, I might be wrong. He might be a really nice skinhead. In fact, all skinheads might be stand-up members of the community. They're just misunderstood!

[user104658]

He even has the red braces ffs :joker:. The only way they could make it more obvious what they're going for is if they had a swastika on his forehead.

[joeysteele]

..I guess how I interpreted it is more in the future than now in that if ethnic voters don't use their vote../have their say, then that becomes more a 'white Britain' or an all white Britain because their voices aren't being heard../being registered...so the 'skinhead' type person is representing an all white country...I think that they're trying to portray a 'powerful white person' in a representation of what the majority of voters are and have been and a 'weak ethnic person', also representing that many ethnic people don't use their vote...

I personally don't see the need for this poster as it is, however I would take it as you have interpreted it too overall.

[user104658]

http://i67.tinypic.com/2qk028z.jpg

:omgno: Look at their angry faces! This is from a film! Abhorrent stereotyping of poor skinheaded young men who simply enjoy comfy braces and don't want their jeans to fall down. Awful. They're only after a cup of tea!

[Livia]

And a woman in a very short skirt is a slut.

And someone wearing Muslim garb is a terrorist.

Let's play the stereotype game! It's fun...

[Ammi]

...wearing an astronaut suit would be representative of what someone does for a living though, so not the same thing at all as describing a stereotype...

...anyway, off topic...I have to say that even though my views are different to Liv's...she's not really saying anything different to what many have said in the thread previously but I am noticing that with you TS..you very often only quote her posts as the ones you will choose to 'disagree with'...and in a way, as Liv has just said of..'don't be silly Livia'...'rubbish Livia' and etc, etc..in a very condescending and patronising way...not a way anyway, which would open any debate and communication between you both, so it doesn't seem as though that's actually the purpose....it's starting to feel 'singling out' and it's starting to feel uncomfortable ..(in quite a few threads..)...


..(sorry Liv, but it's something I've noticed and I couldn't not say anything..)...

[user104658]

And a woman in a very short skirt is a slut.

And someone wearing Muslim garb is a terrorist.

Let's play the stereotype game! It's fun...

A man with a bald head is not necessarily a skinhead

A man with tattoos is not necessarily a skinhead

A man in a whitey tighty top is not necessarily a skinhead

A man with red braces is not necessarily a skinhead

A man in blue jeans is pretty generic

A man wearing blood red boots high-laced over said jeans... might not be a skinhead. Maybe.


...a man wearing ALL OF THE ABOVE is either a skinhead, or is attending an American History X themed halloween party.

[DemolitionRed]

I think it's only really offensive if you look at the poster assuming that the white man depicted is meant to represent all white males. I don't think it is though. It's showing one example of the reality that a lot of ethnic minorities face, and why shouldn't that be highlighted? Should it not be highlighted because of the risk of upsetting the white males who aren't represented in the ad?

The whole point of the ad is to get more to people to vote (people who are British but are sometimes made to feel like they aren't), and that's a really difficult thing to do so an ad like this needs to be powerful, and most importantly, not pander to the wants of the white population. It needs to give a message that people of ethnic minorities can relate to, regardless of how that might make white people feel.

I look at the ad and think, neither of those people represent me, this ad isn't meant for me, and so it's kind of meaningless to me. But there will be a great deal of people from ethnic minorities who'll feel a strong connection with it and it might be enough to urge them to vote whereas they might have otherwise not done. Isn't that a good thing?

I just think in cases like this, even if something is perceived as having negative connotations towards white people, we should just put up with it to be honest. White men have it good enough in society to be able to take the occasional hit if the cause is worthwhile.

Good post and I agree with everything you’ve said. I’m voting out and I’m not offended by that poster because I understand its focusing on a certain type of voter that doesn’t include me.

[user104658]

...wearing an astronaut suit would be representative of what someone does for a living though, so not the same thing at all as describing a stereotype...

...anyway, off topic...I have to say that even though my views are different to Liv's...she's not really saying anything different to what many have said in the thread previously but I am noticing that with you TS..you very often only quote her posts as the ones you will choose to 'disagree with'...and in a way, as Liv has just said of..'don't be silly Livia'...'rubbish Livia' and etc, etc..in a very condescending and patronising way...not a way anyway, which would open any debate and communication between you both, so it doesn't seem as though that's actually the purpose....it's starting to feel 'singling out' and it's starting to feel uncomfortable ..(in quite a few threads..)...


..(sorry Liv, but it's something I've noticed and I couldn't not say anything..)...


Really Ammi? Really though? When we can just click the links to previous pages and actually read what happened in this thread?

First communication between me and Livia in this thread:

Because hardcore Brexit skinheads are likely to be the first lined up at the voting booths when it comes to the EU referrendum, whereas older females of ethnic minorities are amoungst the least likely to vote at all - even though the vote greatly affects them. These women are being encouraged to make sure they vote, in order to "counter-balance" what is certain to be a 100% turnout for British nationalist extremists all voting "out".

NOT directed at ANYONE in particular, was then quoted by Livia, responding with;

And there was me thinking it was a thoughtless, lazy bit of stereotyping.



First time it got a bit snippy and personal:

Now that's not entirely true either though, is it. His clothing (white shirt, light blue jeans, high boots) is practically "white supremacist skinhead" uniform. All he's missing is the green bomber jacket. Stereotype? Yes, but it's a very specific one and doesn't include "all white men with tattoos and a bald head", nor does it suggest that all men of that description are white supremacists.

If you want to judge every book by its cover, then you crack on TS.

not a way anyway, which would open any debate and communication between you both, so it doesn't seem as though that's actually the purpose...

Errrr.... yeah.


She then decided to, unfathomably, go on to point out that *I* started patronising *her* :joker:



Take your bias elsewhere Ammi, I don't have time for it and I'm not willing to be accused of something that, in this case at the very least, can be quite clearly demonstrated to be untrue :facepalm:

[Livia]

I don't think she's talking about this thread per se, TS. And I'm grateful. I was beginning to think I was the only one who could see it.

There are many other posters on SD, and yet I know as soon as I post you'll reply with a "don't be silly, Livia" type reply.

[user104658]

I don't think she's talking about this thread per se, TS. And I'm grateful. I was beginning to think I was the only one who could see it.

There are many other posters on SD, and yet I know as soon as I post you'll reply with a "don't be silly, Livia" type reply.

If you would stop posting such tripe I wouldn't have to :shrug:.

Most of the people here, I either tend to agree with or at least find their responses to be moderate / reasonable (therefore a bit vanilla), OR... frankly... with nothing of any merit in them more than worth a quick skim read.

Beyond that, I quote and disagree with LT just as much and Kirk (may he rest in peace) significantly more but no one had anything to say about that. However I will stop quoting you. Don't want to be accused of picking on the girls :nono:

[DemolitionRed]

I think its interesting that some people can’t work out what this poster is telling us. The level seesaw is the biggest clue because it represents equality…every vote carries equal weight.

The only reason Nigel Farage is so upset by this poster is because its clever enough to bring ethnic minorities out of their houses and vote to remain in. Whilst we all have a right to be offended, one has to admit that this very controversial advert has a real touch of genius.

[DemolitionRed]

If you would stop posting such tripe I wouldn't have to :shrug:.

Most of the people here, I either tend to agree with or at least find their responses to be moderate / reasonable (therefore a bit vanilla), OR... frankly... with nothing of any merit in them more than worth a quick skim read.

Beyond that, I quote and disagree with LT just as much and Kirk (may he rest in peace) significantly more but no one had anything to say about that. However I will stop quoting you. Don't want to be accused of picking on the girls :nono:

Its called ganging up TS and we don't want any of that :fist:

[user104658]

I think its interesting that some people can’t work out what this poster is telling us. The level seesaw is the biggest clue because it represents equality…every vote carries equal weight.

The only reason Nigel Farage is so upset by this poster is because its clever enough to bring ethnic minorities out of their houses and vote to remain in. Whilst we all have a right to be offended, one has to admit that this very controversial advert has a real touch of genius.

I agree DR - as over-the top and inflamatory as the poster is, if it encourages a higher voter turnout... and especially a higher turnout for under-respresented groups in voting... then a few feathers being ruffled is probably worth it.

I wouldn't go as far as to say "genius", perhaps, but then I'm skeptical about people in general and I don't think the vast majority of people are capable of computing subtleties. I guess you could say that there's a touch of genius in it's simplicity and lack of subtlety? Although apparently it's subtle enough that we're not supposed to notice that the man is a caricature of a neo-nazi, he might just some poor bald lad with his mum's name tattooed on his arm, peacefully showing off his new booties :joker:.

[user104658]

Its called ganging up TS and we don't want any of that :fist:

One male against several females is still ganging up because we have bigger brains I'm afraid :smug:.

...or let's face it... one TS against any number of people ends up being misconstrued as ganging up, because the human brain can't comprehend such overwhelming force from one individual.

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Poor Livia :worry:. Thank goodness Ammi is around, otherwise I might not have realised and this injustice would just have continued unchecked.

[Ammi]

..I think that the balancing of the seesaw also represents a 'balancing out' that is trying to be achieved..(through voting ..)..because of how the media has often stereotyped and even 'demonised' ethnic communities and ethnic citizens....hmmm, maybe it's not so much about the poster itself but more the discussions that will be had and are being had through it's controversy and interpretations..that those themselves will be more what will spark more votes from ethnic minorities, who may not have intended to vote...

[lostalex]

i think it's a good AD, it shows that muslims can be just as bigoted as skinheads, which is true.

[Kizzy]

I'm more offended that people think that all skinheads are far right, in my experience that's far from the truth and it's those who consider themselves respectable.

[lostalex]

I'm more offended that people think that all skinheads are far right, in my experience that's far from the truth and it's those who consider themselves respectable.

i had a very good friend in high school that was a skinhead, and he was awesome. although he said some racist things, i certainly never saw him abuse any racial minorities. he was a great guy.

that being said he developed a bad alcohol problem and got into a physical fight with a cop and now he's in prison. but he's actually a really sweet guy, i knew him since we were in grade school.

[Kizzy]

...wearing an astronaut suit would be representative of what someone does for a living though, so not the same thing at all as describing a stereotype...

...anyway, off topic...I have to say that even though my views are different to Liv's...she's not really saying anything different to what many have said in the thread previously but I am noticing that with you TS..you very often only quote her posts as the ones you will choose to 'disagree with'...and in a way, as Liv has just said of..'don't be silly Livia'...'rubbish Livia' and etc, etc..in a very condescending and patronising way...not a way anyway, which would open any debate and communication between you both, so it doesn't seem as though that's actually the purpose....it's starting to feel 'singling out' and it's starting to feel uncomfortable ..(in quite a few threads..)...


..(sorry Liv, but it's something I've noticed and I couldn't not say anything..)...

Sorry Ammi but here I have to interject as you have ( being part of the discussion and all) when nobody on this forum posts in a way that could be considered condecending and/or patronising ( including Livia) we'll all comply, do we have a deal?

[_Tom_]

I think its interesting that some people can’t work out what this poster is telling us. The level seesaw is the biggest clue because it represents equality…every vote carries equal weight.

The only reason Nigel Farage is so upset by this poster is because its clever enough to bring ethnic minorities out of their houses and vote to remain in. Whilst we all have a right to be offended, one has to admit that this very controversial advert has a real touch of genius.

That's assuming that all ethnic minorities want to remain. People voting 'leave' come from all walks of life. More and more black and ethnic minority Brits are backing Brexit.

[Kizzy]

i had a very good friend in high school that was a skinhead, and he was awesome. although he said some racist things, i certainly never saw him abuse any racial minorities. he was a great guy.

that being said he developed a bad alcohol problem and got into a physical fight with a cop and now he's in prison. but he's actually a really sweet guy, i knew him since we were in grade school.

Exactly it's more a pop at nonconformists/youth/fashion, oh look at him... he looks odd/rough/chavvy/common/hard/poor he must be a racist thug!

[lostalex]

Exactly it's more a pop at nonconformists/youth/fashion, oh look at him... he looks odd/rough/chavvy/common/hard/poor he must be a racist thug!

yea, and i was out to him and he never had a problem with me being gay. he was just angry in general and at the system, but he treated all the people he knew really well, black, gay, whatever.

[DemolitionRed]

That's assuming that all ethnic minorities want to remain. People voting 'leave' come from all walks of life. More and more black and ethnic minority Brits are backing Brexit.

Absolutely, especially those who are now citizens of the UK. People also assume that you have to be right wing to vote out. That's simply not the case.

[rubymoo]

Maybe it would be more appropriate, (if the seesaw represents a balance) to have the white man in a suit just as placid as the Indian lady, rather than an angry white man pointing like he's going to take her head off!

Why is the white man in the picture? Britain is a diverse country, why not a muslim man, or a black man, all these people represent Britain, why an angry looking skinhead? This poster is biased and offensive on many levels, and neither the people represent me and i'm voting out, until we get away from the colour of someones skin there will always be racism. Why didn't they use a four way seesaw (i've seen them in playgrounds), and put people of different cultures on that, this would represent Britain.

[rubymoo]

Or maybe use a round-a-bout with different people from different backgrounds facing out?

[lostalex]

Maybe it would be more appropriate, (if the seesaw represents a balance) to have the white man in a suit just as placid as the Indian lady, rather than an angry white man pointing like he's going to take her head off!

Why is the white man in the picture? Britain is a diverse country, why not a muslim man, or a black man, all these people represent Britain, why an angry looking skinhead? This poster is biased and offensive on many levels, and neither the people represent me and i'm voting out, until we get away from the colour of someones skin there will always be racism. Why didn't they use a four way seesaw (i've seen them in playgrounds), and put people of different cultures on that, this would represent Britain.

or why not just make a poster that reminds people to vote and gives the date and pertinent information about voting. like use WORDS. communicate INFORMATION. why do they need to use any kind of giant pictures of people, use bigger words and give them the important information. period.

looks at the famous "keep calm carry on" posters... big letters, good words, communicate.

[rubymoo]

or why not just make a poster that reminds people to vote and gives the date and pertinent information about voting. like use WORDS. communicate INFORMATION. why do they need to use any kind of giant pictures of people, use bigger words and give them the important information. period.

looks at the famous "keep calm carry on" posters... big letters, good words, communicate.

Exactly! It drives me bonkers with all these ridiculous images, but if they are to use images, then they should be fair and representative of the current situation.

[Kizzy]

or why not just make a poster that reminds people to vote and gives the date and pertinent information about voting. like use WORDS. communicate INFORMATION. why do they need to use any kind of giant pictures of people, use bigger words and give them the important information. period.

looks at the famous "keep calm carry on" posters... big letters, good words, communicate.

Yes that would make more sense than some visual metaphor that doesn't say anything yet offends everyone.

[Beso]

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Utter nonsense Livia, no one steps out of their front door wearing what the guy in that picture is wearing without it being a deliberate statement. Come on. It's like seeing someone wearing a space suit and saying "Don't be judgemental guys, don't assume he's dressed as an astronaut, he might just be feeling chilly!"

you should attend a scooter rally, that garb is awol for 1000,s of the nicest people you could meet.

[Livia]

If you would stop posting such tripe I wouldn't have to :shrug:.

Most of the people here, I either tend to agree with or at least find their responses to be moderate / reasonable (therefore a bit vanilla), OR... frankly... with nothing of any merit in them more than worth a quick skim read.

Beyond that, I quote and disagree with LT just as much and Kirk (may he rest in peace) significantly more but no one had anything to say about that. However I will stop quoting you. Don't want to be accused of picking on the girls :nono:

Quote me, talk to me... but stop talking to me like I'm a fourteen year old with special educational needs. Then everything will be lovely.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Im here for the TS / Livia romance arc that has come out of this thread


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(dont tell Nina tho)

[Crimson Dynamo]

or Mrs TS

:worry:

(mind you she will be too busy texting men in the kitchen when TS is asleep)

:idc:

[user104658]

Quote me, talk to me... but stop talking to me like I'm a fourteen year old with special educational needs. Then everything will be lovely.
:suspect: I don't think you know what you're asking of me

[user104658]

Im here for the TS / Livia romance arc that has come out of this thread


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There's not enough love around here LT, you know that. You were PMing me about it recently :umm2:

[joeysteele]

or why not just make a poster that reminds people to vote and gives the date and pertinent information about voting. like use WORDS. communicate INFORMATION. why do they need to use any kind of giant pictures of people, use bigger words and give them the important information. period.

looks at the famous "keep calm carry on" posters... big letters, good words, communicate.

Spot on lostalex, this is really the strongest point as to this issue.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There's not enough love around here LT, you know that. You were PMing me about it recently :umm2:

:joker:

:worry:

[Northern Monkey]

Well i'm fine with it...

Aslong as

if somebody brings out a poster of a person with brown skin and what looks to be Asian ethnicity with a suicide belt strapped to them is not banned or seen as racist.Free speech and all that.

But...Why even have an Indian woman?Since the majority of EU citizens are white anyway and none of the out campaign are saying that 'immigrants are bad'.Infact the out campaign are saying that we should open up our borders to everyone,Wherever they are from.Just that we have control of the numbers.

A white man aggressively pointing at an Indian lady is an imflammatory racial stereotype no matter how the creators of this decide to try and explain it.They can say whatever they like to make it out to be anything they choose.But we all know what they are really trying to express here.
As said above.Lets not ban it.Let's have freedom of expression aslong as it is not one sided.

[user104658]

Every time I see this thread title I get an erec...

Sorry I went off on a tangent there. Every time I see this thread, it makes me think of an actual racist see-saw. Like a cartoon character of a living see-saw that won't let certain ethnicities sit on it and pings them off into the distance. Heh...