Should we legalise prostitution? (Serious Debate)

[~Kizwiz~]

Should we legalese prostitution?

Who does it harm and how?

Should we follow places like Amsterdam and take it off the streets into save house?

Would it eliminate child prostitution?

Would it stop the illegal trafficking of them?

[lily.]

Yes, we should legalise it, because it would then be safer for the women who choose it as their profession. If it were legalised, safeguards could be put in place to protect the women from violent 'clients' and pimps.

People say that there wouldn't be as much money to be made if it were legalised. I disagree. If the women weren't handing over a percentage of their earnings to their pimp, surely they would be better off.

Also, it would take it off the streets, and make it less offensive to those who disagree with it. If it were in the privacy of a sauna, then it would be out of the public eye.

[lily.]

Oh, and I forgot to add... I don't think it would eliminate child prostitution, because there would still be a demand for that, as there are many sick individuals out there.. and it also wouldn't stop trafficking either because there would still be people who were doing it "off the books".

[Razmataz]

Well, with there being a "brothel" no less that 10 minutes walk away from me, I can't really see the problem with legalising prostitution, women want to have sex for a living, be an unvideoed porn star....if thats what they want to do, then surely they have human rights?

But certainly agree with L on this, the protection would be needed to raise a couple of barriers, and it won't completely stamp out the sickness of child prostitution and trafficking.

[~Kizwiz~]

I think it should be legalised. it would protect woman who at the moment either walk the streets or work in certain parlors. They have a big cut of their earning taken away and dont have the proper health care. In Holland they make sure that sex workers have access to good medical treatment and this helps.

They have people making sure they are safe.

And in these times... everyone, no matter what profession they do, needs to feel safe

[Psylocke]

Should we legalese prostitution?

Definatly,It would make the world safer for ALOT of women

Who does it harm and how?

It may harm a relationship between an unfaithfull man/woman,but that happens if your gonna pay or not.It also might be affecting an unstable girl who is goiung on the game for drugs etc

Should we follow places like Amsterdam and take it off the streets into save house?

Definatly

Would it eliminate child prostitution?
God i hope so,but simpley it wont,Freaks will always be around,the only way to stop them is to catch them.

Would it stop the illegal trafficking of them?

Yes

[easypeasy]

Should we legalese prostitution?
yes, its safer for sex workers and their clients

Who does it harm and how?
Nobody if its handled right

Should we follow places like Amsterdam and take it off the streets into save house?yes, Amsterdam is great

Would it eliminate child prostitution?
no, why would a pedo pay to have sex with an adult?

Would it stop the illegal trafficking of them?
Nope,not a chance. the two matters are unrelated.

[Lauren]

Look like I am against the majority here - but I don't think it should be legalised. Many of the reasons include safety but these women KNOW what they're getting themselves in for, the moment they accept cash for sexual favours - if they then choose to do this and are hurt in the process I can safely say my sympathy is limited.

And many people are arguing about the prostitutes handing most of their money over the pimps, and so not getting a fair proportion of what they are "owed" - Well so what. Try getting a conventional job in Tesco and then they will get all the money they have safely earned and they won't be going against the law in the mean time.

Prostitution is against the law and I think it's about time we saw criminal cases against prostitutes and pimps instead of just letting them dirty up our streets - and in the long run it's better for their own health. :mad:

[easypeasy]

yeah like we need to fill all those empty prison cells........

[lily.]

Originally posted by easypeasy
yeah like we need to fill all those empty prison cells........

Now Now.. :nono: Be respectful to others who's opinion differs from your own please.

*oooh, I sounded like a schoolteacher then.. :laugh:*

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by Stropz
Originally posted by easypeasy
yeah like we need to fill all those empty prison cells........

Now Now.. :nono: Be respectful to others who's opinion differs from your own please.

*oooh, I sounded like a schoolteacher then.. :laugh:* though my reply was sarcastic it wasnt intended as a personal insult, sorry if it came across that way. :flowers:

[lily.]

Aww... flowers..

And, yeah, I just don't want all these great debate threads to turn into arguments.. I'm really enjoying having some decent conversations on here.... :thumbs:

[easypeasy]

thats fair enough, I can respect Lauren for speaking out with an opinion that differs from the crowd, thats a strength.
I find her beliefs a bit extreme though, hehe

[Lauren]

Originally posted by easypeasy
thats fair enough, I can respect Lauren for speaking out with an opinion that differs from the crowd, thats a strength.
I find her beliefs a bit extreme though, hehe

Thats fair enough :thumbs:

But my opinions on the prison system - we need to build more prisons, have them less luxury and just keep to the bare minimum. Thus we have space!
If someone is going to do something illegal and criminal (prostitution) surely they should then be treated the same way as criminals?

[lily.]

Good idea for a new debate thread Lauren ... the judicial system.. or the prison system... go for it.. make a thread girl! :thumbs:

I'm really enjoying these threads.. seriously.

[easypeasy]

I just dont see how we can stand by laws that have not been serving their purpose for so long, I think the basic question is "Can sex be solely a recreational pastime?" which then leads onto whether it should be viewed as any other leisure/recreational pursuit.......

[Lauren]

Originally posted by easypeasy
I just dont see how we can stand by laws that have not been serving their purpose for so long, I think the basic question is "Can sex be solely a recreational pastime?" which then leads onto whether it should be viewed as any other leisure/recreational pursuit.......

Anyone taking the view that sex can be an occupational past time should also be aware of the risks it involves and not expect the law to keep them safe.

[lily.]

Is it illegal in this country to be an actor/actress in a pornographic film?

I'm not sure where the law stands on that. However, if it's legal, then what's the difference? Surely that's similar to prostitution.

[andybigbro]

No i dont think we should legalise prostitutuion as it is very dangerous and people may have diseases and it could spread quicker

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by easypeasy
I just dont see how we can stand by laws that have not been serving their purpose for so long, I think the basic question is "Can sex be solely a recreational pastime?" which then leads onto whether it should be viewed as any other leisure/recreational pursuit.......

Anyone taking the view that sex can be an occupational past time should also be aware of the risks it involves and not expect the law to keep them safe. as long as sensible precautions are taken whats the difference?

In amsterdam the system is safer because these precautions are enforced. I may be making myself a target by revealing this but i know from experience.

It was a long time ago and i was a lot more reckless back then though.

[MarkWaldorf]

Yes it should.

There are loads of woman who chose this as their way of life, maybe the only way they can earn money. Some might have been rejected from jobs, due to no qualifications or lack of experience. So they're forced into working the streets. It's not legal to sell your body for sex, so people shouldn't care about it. Yes, it does come with danger, but legalising it could mean more CCTV camera's on the streets and more night patrol.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by andybigbro
No i dont think we should legalise prostitutuion as it is very dangerous and people may have diseases and it could spread quicker

Yes but if it was legalised then there would be better health checks for the sex workers. Amsterdam has this and it works really well

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Stropz
Is it illegal in this country to be an actor/actress in a pornographic film?

I'm not sure where the law stands on that. However, if it's legal, then what's the difference? Surely that's similar to prostitution.

It's legal.

But thats the point, it's clearly outlined as being outlined, whereas prostitution is classed as being illegal. Surely these prostitutes should follow the law like the rest of us?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Markus™
There are loads of woman who chose this as their way of life, maybe the only way they can earn money. Some might have been rejected from jobs, due to no qualifications or lack of experience.

1) There's MANY jobs out there that doesn't require qualifications.
2) There's open universities, and FE colleges that will provide any qualifications they may need.
Turning to prostitution for money is not an argument that can really be backed up.

Me and you have already had this disagreement in the past though, so lets not go there. We have both had the chance to say our views now :thumbs:

[easypeasy]

its funny how i would consider visiting a dutch prostitute but wouldnt dream of it here, its not the legal thing that scares me, its just the principle of a pimp exploiting a women and the gamble of sexual health that would put me off.

Over there the girls are respected and treated decently.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by easypeasy
its funny how i would consider visiting a dutch prostitute but wouldnt dream of it here, its not the legal thing that scares me, its just the principle of a pimp exploiting a women and the gamble of sexual health that would put me off.

Over there the girls are respected and treated decently.

I agree with you there easypeasy.... I've been to Amsterdam.... there way of handling prostitution seems to work well. There attitude towards it is very lighthearted, sex is sex..... its supposed to be fun isnt it?????

[Mrluvaluva]

Prostitution should definitely be legalised in my opinion.

1. Workers in the industry can be safe whilst working if the thing is policed correctly in a non residential area. They wont get beaten up by their "clients" and ripped off.

2. They will not have a pimp so will not get ripped off.

3. Proper contraception will be available for them to avoid any unwanted STD's etc.

4. They won't have to go off alone in a car and be driven to a secluded place, where they face the possibility of being raped or murdered.

5. I am sure the rate of rapes will go down.

6. They can't be prosecuted. Currently they get fined for working the streets, and then have to go back out to pay for this. It's a vicious circle.

Won't they then have to declare themselves as self employed and have to fill a load of forms in?? lol

[Lauren]

Originally posted by bgrayshon
6. They can't be prosecuted. Currently they get fined for working the streets, and then have to go back out to pay for this. It's a vicious circle.

Or they could get a conventional, LEGAL job.

Much easier.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Lauren

Or they could get a conventional, LEGAL job.
Much easier.

Prostitution is the oldest job in history. I would much rather see it legalised than see sex wokers vindicated and violated by pimps, clients and others

[Lauren]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Lauren

Or they could get a conventional, LEGAL job.
Much easier.

Prostitution is the oldest job in history. I would much rather see it legalised than see sex wokers vindicated and violated by pimps, clients and others

It's probably the most dangerous job as well... also being illegal doesn't help the matter further. I'd rather they just stopped being criminals, to be honest.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by easypeasy
its funny how i would consider visiting a dutch prostitute but wouldnt dream of it here, its not the legal thing that scares me, its just the principle of a pimp exploiting a women and the gamble of sexual health that would put me off.
Over there the girls are respected and treated decently.

I agree with you there easypeasy.... I've been to Amsterdam.... there way of handling prostitution seems to work well. There attitude towards it is very lighthearted, sex is sex..... its supposed to be fun isnt it????? Its never as much fun as when its part of a loving relationship, but sex alone can be great fun. the shocking thing is i genuinely got the impression the lady i paid to be intimate with actually enjoyed her job! im not trying to blow my own trumpet or anything, but i dont think women over there are forced into prostitution because its a last resort.
Im positive it is considered such over here.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Lauren
It's probably the most dangerous job as well... also being illegal doesn't help the matter further. I'd rather they just stopped being criminals, to be honest.

Hmm.... so in order for them to stop being criminals it should be legalised. Whats wrong with selling your body... its natural.... sex is sex. i would rather a bloke goes to see a hooker than grab a girl off the street or who is off her head in a club and take advantage.

[lily.]

I can see where you are coming from Lauren, in that they can't expect the law to protect them whilst they are breaking the law.

However, that's one of my main arguments for changing the law. Legalise the trade then they will have employee rights just like the rest of us, and will be protected by the law, and look on the bright side, they will be paying taxes on their income, and contributing something to the country.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Lauren
It's probably the most dangerous job as well... also being illegal doesn't help the matter further. I'd rather they just stopped being criminals, to be honest.

Hmm.... so in order for them to stop being criminals it should be legalised. Whats wrong with selling your body... its natural.... sex is sex. i would rather a bloke goes to see a hooker than grab a girl off the street or who is off her head in a club and take advantage.

Sex is sex. Spot on.

Sex is not an occupation.

I see where you're all coming from, in saying that legalising it will provide the right measures for prostitution to take place without people being murdered etc.
It just doesn't sit well with me to know that the law is actively allowing and sometimes encouraging women to sell their bodies in order for them to make a living.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by bgrayshon
6. They can't be prosecuted. Currently they get fined for working the streets, and then have to go back out to pay for this. It's a vicious circle.

Or they could get a conventional, LEGAL job.
Much easier.

Prostitites play a vital role. They will always be needed. If we didn't have them, don't you think there would be more rapes? They are used for sex by people who cannot get it any other way. If they were not there, how else would they get it? Only by force..........

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Lauren
It's probably the most dangerous job as well... also being illegal doesn't help the matter further. I'd rather they just stopped being criminals, to be honest.

Hmm.... so in order for them to stop being criminals it should be legalised. Whats wrong with selling your body... its natural.... sex is sex. i would rather a bloke goes to see a hooker than grab a girl off the street or who is off her head in a club and take advantage.

Sex is sex. Spot on.

Sex is not an occupation.

I see where you're all coming from, in saying that legalising it will provide the right measures for prostitution to take place without people being murdered etc.
It just doesn't sit well with me to know that the law is actively allowing and sometimes encouraging women to sell their bodies in order for them to make a living. but surely everday working people are renting out their bodies in soul-destroying dead-end factories? whats wrong with a female wanting to earn a living from a more pleasurable job?

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by bgrayshon
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by bgrayshon
6. They can't be prosecuted. Currently they get fined for working the streets, and then have to go back out to pay for this. It's a vicious circle.

Or they could get a conventional, LEGAL job.
Much easier.

Prostitites play a vital role. They will always be needed. If we didn't have them, don't you think there would be more rapes? They are used for sex by people who cannot get it any other way. If they were not there, how else would they get it? Only by force.......... i tend to think rape is more about power than sex, and its not always single men who hire prostitutes, Ive known of male/female couples hire a working girl to spice things up a bit.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by easypeasy
whats wrong with a female wanting to earn a living from a more pleasurable job?

Ok, you got me there.

Although I will say many women turn to prostitution in a vivcious cycle of money and drugs as opposed to just wanting some every night.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Lauren
Ok, you got me there.

Although I will say many women turn to prostitution in a vivcious cycle of money and drugs as opposed to just wanting some every night.

But if they were within a working 'house' they would have access to healthcare to help them

[Lauren]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Lauren
Ok, you got me there.

Although I will say many women turn to prostitution in a vivcious cycle of money and drugs as opposed to just wanting some every night.

But if they were within a working 'house' they would have access to healthcare to help them

I still see fundamental problems (In terms of moral and values) of women demoralising themselves to the point where men pay to have sex with them. Regardless of whether they get pleasure from it or not, I see it as morally unacceptable.

[easypeasy]

thats fair enough Lauren, its a moral issue. so if its kept out of your way and handled discretely and properly surely that would be better than having it dangerous and in unmarked public areas such as parks etc where kids hang out?

[Lauren]

Legalising it could cause further problems. It can push prostitutes further into the underworld of prostitution as they're forced to register details once it's legalised and so many of them lose their anonymity they once had.
Also, it could lead to increasing numbers of immigrant women being used for these purposes. 80% of prostitutes in Dutch brothels are from other countries, probably trafficked to Amsterdam with promises of a good-paying job and instead they're put into prostitution to pave their way for a life.

[Sunny_01]

Should we legalese prostitution?

I think that we should legalise prostitution. It would make it both safer for the women, but also for the customers who could then go to a licensed prostitute who would hopefully have been tested for STD's My hope is that it would be legalised with strict guidelines including testing etc...

Who does it harm and how?

I think that the way things are now the people that it hurts the most is the prostitutes themselves. It does this because they are an easily exploited minority

Should we follow places like Amsterdam and take it off the streets into save house?

I dont think it would be a bad idea, but who would run them?? and how would they be ran?

Would it eliminate child prostitution?

Sadly I dont think so. There is always going to be a group of peadophiles who will happily exploit the child prostitution market that is available to them, it would just make it more of a money spinner for the vile creatures that run it

Would it stop the illegal trafficking of them?

Again I doubt it for the same reasons I gave above.

[Red Moon]

Yes we should.

It would be safer for the girls working in the bussiness not to be on the street but in houses which had special equipment which allowed them to get help if problem arose with a punter. Also better chcks could be made on the girls health and help be required to given if they suffered from a drug problem before entering a house. In addition to this think of the tax that would be generated.

In general any thing that is legal can be better controlled and policed than something that is illegal.

[Siouxsie]

I do not agree to legalising prostitution at all. One of the reasons it is inviting young girls to go out and sell their bodies just to make a living.(An easy way of earning leaving them with no self respect) It is against the law and personally i think its disgusting.Plus who knows what protection these women are taking. Probably no protection whatsoever which causes more problems.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Supersue
I do not agree to legalising prostitution at all. One of the reasons it is inviting young girls to go out and sell their bodies just to make a living.(An easy way of earning leaving them with no self respect) It is against the law and personally i think its disgusting.Plus who knows what protection these women are taking. Probably no protection whatsoever which causes more problems.

How very niave to think that they do this without protection. Most prostitutes actually recieve free health checks monthly and all their contraception included in this. I think that you will find that most STD's etc are passed between people having sex with non prostitues that with those that make a living out of it. They make a living out of it by making it safe!

[Siouxsie]

maybe! but i dont think all women get regular checks. I am aware thathese healthchecks are available but how many women actually use the system. Just my opinion. No I say leave the law the way it is.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Supersue
Plus who knows what protection these women are taking. Probably no protection whatsoever which causes more problems.

But if they had safe house they would have regular check to make sure they were in top health. Given free protection and be off the streets where more harm can be done to them.

It is against the law and personally i think its disgusting.

Like I said before in another post... its the oldest profession in history. Sex is sex.....its always going to happen. The best thing is to make it as safe as possible and for the workers to be healthy.

[Bells]

I don’t see why it shouldn't be legalised. It’s all about choice to begin with at the end of the day! It's about a choice on the prostitutes' part and the way the public generally deals with them. I too have been to Amsterdam and I think it's an excellent point that's been flagged up - there the topic of sex is treated with such freedom and open minds, it’s awe-inspiring, whereas in other cultures the whole thing is very hush-hush. Nowadays I’m finding that everything’s becoming a lot more open in society in lots of different cultures, which I think is a good thing because it’s allowing people to become more accepting and comfortable. You walk around in the streets of Amsterdam and you’ll see sex show theatres everywhere all along one street perhaps – and it’s so open to the public rather than being shunned away. Therefore, the people who choose to go there can do – it’s all about free choice!

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Supersue
maybe! but i dont think all women get regular checks. I am aware thathese healthchecks are available but how many women actually use the system. Just my opinion. No I say leave the law the way it is.

I respect your opinion Sue but have to disagree :joker:

I just think it would go such a long way towards clearing up the streets. Not only would it clear up the streets but it might in fact reduce the amount of attacks on young women who are mistaken for prostitutes!

[J.C.]

When it comes to the law,my feeling is that if it doesn`t harm anyone, other than perhaps oneself, then it shouldn`t be illegal.I reckon this concept is workable 98% of the time.(Suicide perhaps being one such tricky exception).So this could sort out Prostitution and drug dealing.The huge tax revenue can then be invested in programs designed to educate and help people from making choices that may not be good for their own personal welfare.It takes away the need for pimps and big time drug dealers, and would greatly reduce much of the criminality and violence associated with sex and drug addiction.

The only reason this hasn`t happened is because no Uk government wants to be seen to ignore the moral issues and opinions of a proportion of the voters,even tho it would make all our lives better. Only yesterday I walked out of the car park and saw an obvious female junkie standing next to the most hideous looking man I ever did see !!!

Legalise it now, and stop these poor woman from walking around thinking they are criminals!!Let them operate from home in pairs or whatever and then try to gently lead those that want to in a different direction.

Edit; The government would need to guarantee that ALL this new tax revenue would be invested in such projects,there would be billions to use and they could never be accused of gaining from what many people consider to be immoral activity.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Lauren
Look like I am against the majority here - but I don't think it should be legalised. Many of the reasons include safety but these women KNOW what they're getting themselves in for, the moment they accept cash for sexual favours - if they then choose to do this and are hurt in the process I can safely say my sympathy is limited.

What about women who are absolutely desperate and feel that they have no other choice. And prostitutes are human beings - they have absolutely the same right to safety as the rest of us.

And many people are arguing about the prostitutes handing most of their money over the pimps, and so not getting a fair proportion of what they are "owed" - Well so what. Try getting a conventional job in Tesco and then they will get all the money they have safely earned and they won't be going against the law in the mean time.

But things just aren't that simple. Many people feel that they just cannot get work elsewhere despite trying. Having to pay rent/mortage, raise children (in some cases) and buy food and clothing costs money. Look how many unemployed we have in this country - some people feel that they simply have no choice but to become prostitutes. It's easy for us to say it's wrong, it's illegal, whatever, but I'm betting that most people on here will never have to worry about where their next meal is coming from, will never have to worry about not having a roof over their heads, and so therefore will never have to consider selling their body for sex.

[ThaGazBoi]

No way, I ain't a prude and I ain't saying that prostitution is a bad thing, but its making a bad example for teenagers, they will automatically be out on the street to earn money, Its not a good thing (and I have never been to see one *winks*)

[Ruth]

Originally posted by CrazyGazza
No way, I ain't a prude and I ain't saying that prostitution is a bad thing, but its making a bad example for teenagers, they will automatically be out on the street to earn money, Its not a good thing (and I have never been to see one *winks*)

How would it make a bad example any more than prostitution is currently doing? To be honest, legalising it would make it more difficult for youngsters to become involved in it, because it would be better regulated.

[Z]

I think legalising prostitution is a good idea, but also a bad idea. I'm one of those annoying fencesitters. I can see the good in it, but ultimately I don't think we should legalise it. Most (I generalise) of the women who get into prostitution are doing it to pay for drug habits. It's their own fault for getting addicted to drugs, quite frankly I don't care if they feel unsafe working as a prostitute, the simple answer to that is don't do it. It amazes me how ridiculous some people can be - why should we be talking about the rights of prostitutes if they're only in the trade to pay for drugs? I can see the sense in helping those who were sold into the sex trade, and I wouldn't ever deny them help, but the drug addicts can be left to go cold turkey and get a real job.

[~Kizwiz~]

But if it was legalized then they would be screened for drugs on a regular basis. If they had a problem they would receive the correct medical help to aid them off drugs. Thats what happens in Holland. I've wandered round the Red light district in Amsterdam at night and it feels safe because you know where the district is. If you dont want to see it... you dont have to wander down those two or three streets that it covers. The fact that its so controlled and regulated there makes it a safe place. Plus its very lighthearted. Why hide the fact that people have sex???? Some either cant get it or maybe have a partner that cant offer them what they want :wink: Its so relaxed in Holland and because of this people are open about sex...... its a way of life isnt it?????

Some women dont have a choice about going on the game. Not everybody is lucky enough to have a fall back.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Ziola
I think legalising prostitution is a good idea, but also a bad idea. I'm one of those annoying fencesitters. I can see the good in it, but ultimately I don't think we should legalise it. Most (I generalise) of the women who get into prostitution are doing it to pay for drug habits. It's their own fault for getting addicted to drugs, quite frankly I don't care if they feel unsafe working as a prostitute, the simple answer to that is don't do it. It amazes me how ridiculous some people can be - why should we be talking about the rights of prostitutes if they're only in the trade to pay for drugs? I can see the sense in helping those who were sold into the sex trade, and I wouldn't ever deny them help, but the drug addicts can be left to go cold turkey and get a real job.

That's pretty easy to say when you've never been in the position where you've had to consider it. Just to clarify, I haven't been in that position either! But you know, I really believe in the phrase, "There but for the grace of God go I" Some people are living in terrible conditions and it isn't always their fault. Even if it is their fault, do you really think it's okay just to say well sod em, they got themselves into this?

A little bit of compassion wouldn't hurt.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Ruth

That's pretty easy to say when you've never been in the position where you've had to consider it. Just to clarify, I haven't been in that position either! But you know, I really believe in the phrase, "There but for the grace of God go I?" Some people are living in terrible conditions and it isn't always their fault.

A little bit of compassion wouldn't hurt.

My mum always says that phrase..... its something I have been brought up with.... never ever criticise something that has never happened to you, you might be in the same situation one day

[GiRTh]

Legalising prostitute is a great idea but it will never happen for a few reasons.

Firstly - Politically it's a vote killer. Any government that tried it would be laughed out of office and all politicians want is to stay in power.

Secondly - It's a logistical nightmare. The prostitutes would have to be provided with condoms, receive regular HIV and STD checks etc. Without these safeguards it would be extremely irresponsible business. Also, who would take responsibility for the prostitutes ie ensure they were safe and not being asked to do things that they object too. and on and on. There would have to be such an infrastructure in place that it would hardly be worth it.

Thirdly - There would be a feeling that other crimes were also being committed at such places ie drugs were being taken etc. So what would the people who lived in the same area think of their friendly neighbourhood brothel.

it's a great idea but it would never work.

[~Kizwiz~]

I agree with you Grit that it will never be legalised but personally I think that for the safety of the "profession" it needs to be. Your right in saying that the party to legalise will face a battering and because of this nobody would touch it with a barde poll

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by kizwiz
I agree with you Grit that it will never be legalised but personally I think that for the safety of the "profession" it needs to be. Your right in saying that the party to legalise will face a battering and because of this nobody would touch it with a barde poll

The problem is no Government is brave enough to do it.

And until they do women working in the sex industry on the streets will be continue to be exploited, assaulted , raped, trafficked and be encouraged to take drugs. Women working the streets isn't a problem that is going to go away by doing nothing, and stronger laws making it even more illegal than it is now just drives it more underground.

Interesting nobody has mentioned male prostitution it's not just men that buy sex.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Red Moon

Interesting nobody has mentioned male prostitution it's not just men that buy sex.

Good point. This is also an issue but its mainly through "escort" agencies. If the men are offered money for extras then they step over the line from being an escort to a prostitute. But then we are missing the male for male prostitute. That is also an issue too.... if we legalize women prostitutes do we then also legalize male for women and male for male???

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by kizwiz
But if it was legalized then they would be screened for drugs on a regular basis. If they had a problem they would receive the correct medical help to aid them off drugs. Thats what happens in Holland. I've wandered round the Red light district in Amsterdam at night and it feels safe because you know where the district is. If you dont want to see it... you dont have to wander down those two or three streets that it covers. The fact that its so controlled and regulated there makes it a safe place. Plus its very lighthearted. Why hide the fact that people have sex???? Some either cant get it or maybe have a partner that cant offer them what they want :wink: Its so relaxed in Holland and because of this people are open about sex...... its a way of life isnt it?????

Some women dont have a choice about going on the game. Not everybody is lucky enough to have a fall back. Absolutely true kizwiz, its common knowledge that the safest place to be in amsterdam at night is the red light and coffee shop area, the place to avoid is the train station and the dam square cos its junkie central. the red light distrit is so well policed that the police station is right next to a coffee shop called "hill street blues".

I was once on my own in the red light "throwing a whitie" after a combo of these huge mexican mushrooms and "northern lights" and a kindly police lady kept me company for a bit til i got back on my feet. i felt safe as houses there but then got to dam square area and got mugged by 4 kiddies who pulled out knives......

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by easypeasy
Absolutely true kizwiz, its common knowledge that the safest place to be in amsterdam at night is the red light and coffee shop area, the place to avoid is the train station and the dam square cos its junkie central. the red light distrit is so well policed that the police station is right next to a coffee shop called "hill street blues".

I was once on my own in the red light "throwing a whitie" after a combo of these huge mexican mushrooms and "northern lights" and a kindly police lady kept me company for a bit til i got back on my feet. i felt safe as houses there but then got to dam square area and got mugged by 4 kiddies who pulled out knives......

Concentrating the brothels into one area will get rid of many of the problems, but I doubt if it'd pan out like that.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by easypeasy
Absolutely true kizwiz, its common knowledge that the safest place to be in amsterdam at night is the red light and coffee shop area, the place to avoid is the train station and the dam square cos its junkie central. the red light distrit is so well policed that the police station is right next to a coffee shop called "hill street blues".

I was once on my own in the red light "throwing a whitie" after a combo of these huge mexican mushrooms and "northern lights" and a kindly police lady kept me company for a bit til i got back on my feet. i felt safe as houses there but then got to dam square area and got mugged by 4 kiddies who pulled out knives......

Agreed..... the train station is a no go area. I dont even feel safe there during the day and it must have been hell getting mugged there. I saw a documentary once about the station and the junkies live in the lockers!!!!! Its just not policed enough. I think they have got the mix right because the coffee shop and bars are right next to the red light district.... but then go over past Damn Square and your into the antiques and museum area..... which also seems a million miles away from the more popular redlight/coffee shop.

Oh and I know the hill street blues place....... I stayed in there all day once on a mates birthday. We bagged the tables right at the back sitting with a river view...... sitting there tripping our nutts off and smoking.... its was certainly the best way to celebrate :hugesmile:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by GRiT
Concentrating the brothels into one area will get rid of many of the problems, but I doubt if it'd pan out like that.

But if it can be done in amsterdam..... why not in this country??? Having a "zone" where the brothels are located means that if you want to avoid all knowledge that this sort of thing exists then you just dont go into the area.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by kizwiz

But if it can be done in amsterdam..... why not in this country??? Having a "zone" where the brothels are located means that if you want to avoid all knowledge that this sort of thing exists then you just dont go into the area.

I agree. But getting it started would be a problem. It'd take a lot of time, money and effort and in the end who would benefit. The girls would benefit but i think the welfare of the girls would get lost in all the arguments.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by GRiT
I agree. But getting it started would be a problem. It'd take a lot of time, money and effort and in the end who would benefit. The girls would benefit but i think the welfare of the girls would get lost in all the arguments.

I agree with you that its both costly and a political bomb! But I cant help thinking of the recent horrors in Ipswich. Maybe if these girl has some form of safe house to work then they may not have been targeted. Many women who work on the street regularly get beaten and abused just because they are looked on as worthless in some peoples eyes. My point of view is that everybody should have a right to be protected.

[Red Moon]

Looking into the drug side of things on the web I found it is estimated that 90 percent of the girls on the streets in Leeds I thought to be on Class A drugs. This gives you an idea of the prblems thes girls face:

Donna, 24, is a hyperactive bag of nerves who says she has been working The Lane for the last three years.As she talks to us a van operated by Genesis, an independent support group, drives by and parks near the Lord Nelson pub on Holbeck Lane.

She said: "I was using seven to eight bags of brown (heroin) and £200 of crack a day. Now I'm on a lot less and take Methadone to stop me rattling (withdrawal).
"Me and my boyfriend got the Meth script through Genesis.

I was raped three weeks ago and I've got two kids so I'll only be doing this a couple more months."

Source: Leeds Today (http://thisisleeds.co.uk/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=2024168&sectionid=39)

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by CrazyGazza
No way, I ain't a prude and I ain't saying that prostitution is a bad thing, but its making a bad example for teenagers, they will automatically be out on the street to earn money, Its not a good thing (and I have never been to see one *winks*)

How would it make a bad example any more than prostitution is currently doing? To be honest, legalising it would make it more difficult for youngsters to become involved in it, because it would be better regulated.

The opposite has been proven in other countries where prostitution has been legalised.
Once it's legalised and regulated some of the more, lets say "underworld" prostitutes find other ways & means of carrying on without being regulated. Also, pimps get prostitutes to travel from different countries, with fake papers.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Red Moon
This gives you an idea of the prblems thes girls face:


Legalising the way that these women pay for their problem is clearly not the way to go. Although they'll be on schemes to help ween them off the drugs, they're still getting paid for selling their bodies to pay for a habit thats killing them. :bored:

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by CrazyGazza
No way, I ain't a prude and I ain't saying that prostitution is a bad thing, but its making a bad example for teenagers, they will automatically be out on the street to earn money, Its not a good thing (and I have never been to see one *winks*)

How would it make a bad example any more than prostitution is currently doing? To be honest, legalising it would make it more difficult for youngsters to become involved in it, because it would be better regulated.

The opposite has been proven in other countries where prostitution has been legalised.
Once it's legalised and regulated some of the more, lets say "underworld" prostitutes find other ways & means of carrying on without being regulated. Also, pimps get prostitutes to travel from different countries, with fake papers.

Yes, but legalising it would reduce the problem. It wouldn't make it any worse than it already is. People are already being imported to be sex slaves. Children are already getting forced into prostitution. If legalising it could stop that - even just slightly - it would be worth it.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Red Moon
This gives you an idea of the prblems thes girls face:


Legalising the way that these women pay for their problem is clearly not the way to go. Although they'll be on schemes to help ween them off the drugs, they're still getting paid for selling their bodies to pay for a habit thats killing them. :bored:

Not all prostitutes are selling their bodies to buy drugs. That's a common and somewhat dangerous misperception. if we don't legalise it, they're still selling their bodies to pay for drugs.

There are other reasons for legalising it. 5 prostitutes were murdered last year. Anything that could help women (or men) in that situation is worth thinking about.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Ruth
Not all prostitutes are selling their bodies to buy drugs.

Thank you for pointing that out. I was talking about girls working on the street. I couldn't find any figures for drug use amongst girls that work from home but I would imagine that is much much lower.

Originally posted by RuthThere are other reasons for legalising it. 5 prostitutes were murdered last year. Anything that could help women (or men) in that situation is worth thinking about.

And I would imagine there are no official figures on how many get raped or sexually assaulted. We just get to hear about the serious cases that make it to the police because thee was some form of violence involved and the police were called.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by Ruth
Not all prostitutes are selling their bodies to buy drugs.

Thank you for pointing that out. I was talking about girls working on the street. I couldn't find any figures for drug use amongst girls that work from home but I would imagine that is much much lower.

I know you weren't saying that Red, I didn't think you were at all. But a lot of people on the thread seem to think that the only reason people become prostitutes is to pay for drugs, and that isn't the case (I don't mean to sound like I'm having a go at anyone by the way - I'm really not, and this is a very interesting discussion!)

[~Kizwiz~]

Its an easy mistake to say that all prostitutes are on the streets and are drug users. Many girls who are on the game work in brothers/massage parlors, work from a suburban homes or even escort agencies. These places could even be on your street..... and you may not even know

[Lauren]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Its an easy mistake to say that all prostitutes are on the streets and are drug users. Many girls who are on the game work in brothers/massage parlors, work from a suburban homes or even escort agencies. These places could even be on your street..... and you may not even know

Indeed. However, if we legalise prostitution whats to say these "agencies" could not continue without being regulated?
As you say, they could be anywhere and we may not even know - and that applies to the law aswell. They won't even know they're still running illegally.

[GiRTh]

If prostitution was legalised an underground illegal prostitution ring would inevitably emerge. I dread to think what that would be like. Legalising prostitution is a great idea but it's a can or worm.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Ruth
I know you weren't saying that Red, I didn't think you were at all. But a lot of people on the thread seem to think that the only reason people become prostitutes is to pay for drugs, and that isn't the case.

Well lets hope this puts them straight:


Reasons for going into prostitution polled from a group of 128 prostitutes in Australia for entering prostitution.

Unemployed at the time 36.7%

To support family 18.7%

To support Man 5.5%

To support a drug habit 9.4%

To earn more money than present 44.5%

Freedom from Home (to independent) 3.9%

To seek excitement in own life 5.5%

To satisfy curiosity about self or prostitution 25.8%

For a specific purpose (education/debts/holiday/purchase an item etc.) 15.6%

(NOTE - These subjects gave multiple answers, so that 216 separate reasons were given. Percentages are of number of subjects to each reason.)


Source: Australian Institute of Criminology (http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/lcj/working/ch4-2.html)

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by ThaGazBoi
No way, I ain't a prude and I ain't saying that prostitution is a bad thing, but its making a bad example for teenagers, they will automatically be out on the street to earn money, Its not a good thing.

So would you go as far as the Huntsville police department in the USA and name and shame the prostitutes and publish their pictures on a website.

http://www.ci.huntsville.al.us/police/News%20Releases/News_Release%2011_08_06.htm

To be honest I think that is taking things a bit far, but I'm sure their people here that think that is a better alternative legalising the oldest profession in the world.

[ttw]

Originally posted by Red Moon
So would you go as far as the Huntsville police department in the USA and name and shame the prostitutes and publish their pictures on a website.

http://www.ci.huntsville.al.us/police/News%20Releases/News_Release%2011_08_06.htm

To be honest I think that is taking things a bit far, but I'm sure their people here that think that is a better alternative legalising the oldest profession in the world.

Oh god, who would wanna sleep with any of those women anyway lol!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by ttw
Oh god, who would want to sleep with any of those women anyway lol!

You'd be surprised.

I think that's great idea. Lets start a similar scheme over here.

[ttw]

they all look cracked out, some Monsters ****.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by ttw
they all look cracked out, some Monsters ****.

They are street prostitutes not the high class kind you would expect from films and television. They are real people with real problems that ended up on the streets. I'm sure if you look through all the press release you could find the odd nice looking one if you're that interested.

It was posted to prove a point that this could be a possible alternative. But it doesn't do anything to solve the problem it just highlights it. Again if your interested to look through the site you would see the same girls appear on several press releases. I bet it doesn't solve anything. Just makes it more dirty and drives it underground.

Some of the press releases include the punters, they seem to get done for loitering .

[ttw]

Originally posted by Red Moon
They are street prostitutes not the high class kind you would expect from films and television. They are real people with real problems that ended up on the streets. I'm sure if you look through all the press release you could find the odd nice looking one if you're that interested.

It was posted to prove a point that this could be a possible alternative. But it doesn't do anything to solve the problem it just highlights it. Again if your interested to look through the site you would see the same girls appear on several press releases. I bet it doesn't solve anything. Just makes it more dirty and drives it underground.

Some of the press releases include the punters, they seem to get done for loitering.

Sorry, was not trying to offend anyone.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by ttw
Sorry, was not trying to offend anyone.

It's okay I didn't think you were. I guess it just came as a shock that the girls looked so ordinary and plain, and the ages were probably older than you expected. It's not just young woman that work the streets the age range is bigger than you would expect.

Don't forget these girls work at night and would have had their makeup removed for the police photograph.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Red Moon

It's okay I didn't think you were. I guess it just came as a shock that the girls looked so ordinary and plain, and the ages were probably older than you expected. It's not just young woman that work the streets the age range is bigger than you would expect.

Don't forget these girls work at night and would have had their makeup removed for the police photograph.

Those skanks would need a lot of make up. Why didn't any of them look like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. I thought all prostitutes were as good looking as her!!!!!!!

[ttw]

Originally posted by GRiT
Those skanks would need a lot of make up. Why didn't any of them look like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. I thought all prostitutes were as good looking as her!!!!!!!

lol, "Fifty bucks grandpa, for seventy-five, the wife can watch" love that film

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by ttw

lol, "Fifty bucks grandpa, for seventy-five, the wife can watch" love that film

Great film. Realistic too!!!!

[J.C.]

Originally posted by GRiT
If prostitution was legalised an underground illegal prostitution ring would inevitably emerge. I dread to think what that would be like. Legalising prostitution is a great idea but it's a can or worm.

Not sure that I agree with part of that.Usually you get these underground networks because something is illegal rather than legal,such as secret brothels,drug dens,gambling joints and ofcourse home brewers during prohibition in the States..I don`t see that there would be an underground market for something that was legal anyway.

I understand the difficulty with governments legalising prostitution but feel strongly that there is a middle ground whereby it could atleast be decriminalised, I doubt many of us look at a prostitute as a criminal??

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by J.C.
I understand the difficulty with governments legalising prostitution but feel strongly that there is a middle ground whereby it could atleast be decriminalised, I doubt many of us look at a prostitute as a criminal??

I dont..... its just a way of making a living for some... not all working girls are junkies. I think decriminalizing would be a great idea

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by J.C.
Not sure that I agree with part of that.Usually you get these underground networks because something is illegal rather than legal,such as secret brothels,drug dens,gambling joints and ofcourse home brewers during prohibition in the States..I don`t see that there would be an underground market for something that was legal anyway.

I understand the difficulty with governments legalising prostitution but feel strongly that there is a middle ground whereby it could atleast be decriminalised, I doubt many of us look at a prostitute as a criminal??

I see what you're saying. My point was that with any market there will be a expensive high end and a much cheaper end of the market. I dread to think what the cheaper end of the market may be like.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by GRiT

I see what you're saying. My point was that with any market there will be a expensive high end and a much cheaper end of the market. I dread to think what the cheaper end of the market may be like.

But your also forgetting that if we legalise it.... it would be taxable. This would generate money for the government and take back police time that they're spending on arresting these girls and their punters

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by kizwiz
But your also forgetting that if we legalise it.... it would be taxable. This would generate money for the government and take back police time that they're spending on arresting these girls and their punters

True. But as I posted earlier, any brothel would have to ensure that the girls were free of diseases and also ensure the safety of the girls. At the high end of the market I'm sure there would be no worries but at the low end of the market...I dread to think. And due to the fact that it's legal. The people running the brothels would probably be free from prosecution. I know I'm being a pessimist but the girls would probably be in even more danger in the long run.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by GRiT
The people running the brothels would probably be free from prosecution.

The Brothel owners would have a duty of care under existing laws to look after they employees. and the their health. Besides getting sued by the employee they could also face fines and prison if they didn't look after the girls correctly.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by GRiT

True. But as I posted earlier, any brothel would have to ensure that the girls were free of diseases and also ensure the safety of the girls. At the high end of the market I'm sure there would be no worries but at the low end of the market...I dread to think. And due to the fact that it's legal. The people running the brothels would probably be free from prosecution. I know I'm being a pessimist but the girls would probably be in even more danger in the long run.

It what way would they be in a dangerous situation than their in now? Regular checkup would be free...... as they are for anyone in this country. Having them in a more controlled and safer environment would be beneficial to both the girl and the punters.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Red Moon

The Brothel owners would have a duty of care under existing laws to look after they employees. and the their health. Besides getting sued by the employee they could also face fines and prison if they didn't look after the girls correctly.


Originally posted by kizwiz

It what way would they be in a dangerous situation than their in now? Regular checkup would be free...... as they are for anyone in this country. Having them in a more controlled and safer environment would be beneficial to both the girl and the punters.

You both make good points. I'm being very pessimistic because I can see corners being cut. I can see a Max hardcore type of person emerging if prostitution was legalised. If you don't know who he is wiki him as I'm sure I'd get warned on the forum for supplying a link to his wiki page. He always hides behind the first amendment and his freedom of expression right. I see someone like him making a lot of money given a favourable situations.

I think legalising prostitution is a fantastic idea but I can also see the pitfalls.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by GRiT
I think legalising prostitution is a fantastic idea but I can also see the pitfalls.

And it is right to to bring them up, if all the problems haven't been thought through then any public debate would be pointless and without a debate any law made on this subject would be unworkable.

Protections for the people working in the industry from people that set out to exploit them need to be put in place, and any loop hole in the law that lets owners of brothels escape their responsibilities needs to be filled. This is the sort of law that needs to workable first time round. Getting it wrong could possibly be costly in terms of the safety and health of the workers.

[andybigbro]

i still dont think it should be legalised

[rex3]

I think decriminalizing it will open up more criminal activities. It would free-up the drug industry. I think that rather than decriminalising it the goverment should find alternative jobs for these prostatutes.

Why dont they get jobs like the rest of ours. Job Centre will help them find better jobs. I dont know how they get into the mess of prostitution. Although i have some sympathy for the pain they go through (rex aint all that bad) I cant help but think some where along the line, they messed up big time, just as drug dealers, burgelers.... and so on.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by rex3
I think decriminalizing it will open up more criminal activities. It would free-up the drug industry. I think that rather than decriminalising it the goverment should find alternative jobs for these prostatutes.

Why dont they get jobs like the rest of ours. Job Centre will help them find better jobs. I dont know how they get into the mess of prostitution. Although i have some sympathy for the pain they go through (rex aint all that bad) I cant help but think some where along the line, they messed up big time, just as drug dealers, burgelers.... and so on.

But the job centre generally wont find them the kind of job that allows them to pick and choose when they work, earn the money they earn!

I am not all for it by any means but if it is going to happen then I am all for making it safer! Whatever their circumstances becoming a prostitute is something that these people choose to do!

Legalizing prostitution would releave a huge burden on our court and prison systems, would also reduce the need for sleezy pimps as women and men would have choices about which employer they would work for. Hundreds of thousands of pounds are wasted from an already depleted pot of money on catching prostitues when surely that money could be re-directed to health care, schools, prison systems etc... rather than on denying these people their rights to earn a living.

[rex3]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Originally posted by rex3
I think decriminalizing it will open up more criminal activities. It would free-up the drug industry. I think that rather than decriminalising it the goverment should find alternative jobs for these prostatutes.

Why dont they get jobs like the rest of ours. Job Centre will help them find better jobs. I dont know how they get into the mess of prostitution. Although i have some sympathy for the pain they go through (rex aint all that bad) I cant help but think some where along the line, they messed up big time, just as drug dealers, burgelers.... and so on.

But the job centre generally wont find them the kind of job that allows them to pick and choose when they work, earn the money they earn!

I am not all for it by any means but if it is going to happen then I am all for making it safer! Whatever their circumstances becoming a prostitute is something that these people choose to do!

Legalizing prostitution would releave a huge burden on our court and prison systems, would also reduce the need for sleezy pimps as women and men would have choices about which employer they would work for. Hundreds of thousands of pounds are wasted from an already depleted pot of money on catching prostitues when surely that money could be re-directed to health care, schools, prison systems etc... rather than on denying these people their rights to earn a living.

i see your point, but decriminilising prostetution, will lead to more teenage chavy girls or what ever, getting into it, thinking its ok becuase its legal, and god knows how society will change, it'll probably start being a COOL thing, to be a prostitue... just like guns are cool, for some reason.

[Sunny_01]

Your point is a perfectly valid one -but I feel if it were to become legal it would have to be the kind of job that you could not go into until you reach the age of 21! Then at least you will have had time to think about it. I think that a lot of the "chavs" as you call them are only attracted to it just now as it is illegal. I think its stigma is part of its attraction to some, take away that stigma and I feel that numbers will reduce.

I just think it would be narrow minded of me to say "no way" should it be legal. Choices are there to be made by people and I think that they will do this with or without it being legal. Also at the end of the day it is one of the oldest professions in the world and is legal in so many other countries where there is NO evidence that crime increases, more women go into it etc...

[rex3]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Your point is a perfectly valid one -but I feel if it were to become legal it would have to be the kind of job that you could not go into until you reach the age of 21! Then at least you will have had time to think about it. I think that a lot of the "chavs" as you call them are only attracted to it just now as it is illegal. I think its stigma is part of its attraction to some, take away that stigma and I feel that numbers will reduce.

I just think it would be narrow minded of me to say "no way" should it be legal. Choices are there to be made by people and I think that they will do this with or without it being legal. Also at the end of the day it is one of the oldest professions in the world and is legal in so many other countries where there is NO evidence that crime increases, more women go into it etc...

i know that there should be a balanced choice here, but i have really thought about this. But i think your right in saying that ... if statistics in other countries show its ok, try it out. Im really 60-40 about this. I just think Britain always has an impact to everything, like were the fatest nation in Europe, the chaviest nation, the most with pregnant teenagers, and our statistics will double if we legalise it, compared to other legalised countries.

[Sunny_01]

I can see your concerns Rex but I would also like to see some kind of trial and study to see the impact that legalisation might have! Then fully informed decisions could be made about legalising it.