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Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 12:23 PM
Do you think that in any circumstance it would be right for a man to thump a women in the face?

The example I am thinking about is if a woman hit a man for some reason?

joeysteele
07-06-2016, 12:25 PM
I think in the example it still would be better for the man to use restraint there but for me it is never acceptable for a man to hit a woman or indeed vice versa.

Northern Monkey
07-06-2016, 12:28 PM
Personally never had to.Better to scare em.They won't do it again if you do it right and no violence needed.Now if they ever did it again then that could be a different story.

VanessaFeltz.
07-06-2016, 12:31 PM
i think no one should use violence. but if he has to do it to protect himself, thats another story but i prefer him trying to end it in a non violent option

Jamie89
07-06-2016, 12:34 PM
It would never be a good thing but it could be considered acceptable if it was in self defence, depending on the situation. Same goes for any act of violence.

Amy Jade
07-06-2016, 12:35 PM
If a woman hits a man she should expect to be hit back.

I don't believe anyone should just allow themselves to be attacked.

Firewire
07-06-2016, 12:36 PM
In self defence but men have to worry about the woman going to the police. Even if the man is attacked, if he fights back he'll incriminate himself.

Kazanne
07-06-2016, 12:40 PM
No one should hit anyone only in self defence,I do believe men are usually stronger than women so it seems worse when they do it but ideally no one should hit,slap or punch

Lostie!
07-06-2016, 12:40 PM
Assaulting someone is unacceptable regardless of gender and those who think women hitting men isn't as bad need to tell that to the men abused and killed by violent partners.

Likewise, both genders have every right to fight back and defend themselves if they're being attacked. I'd rather bear the ridiculous outdated social stigma of being the guy who fought back against a woman rather than be the guy seriously injured or killed all because victims of female-on-male violence risk being mocked and/or vilified if they dare defend themselves.

Shaun
07-06-2016, 12:42 PM
I can't in all honesty say I wouldn't hit a woman if I was hit by her first without provocation. I'd have to be considerably angry / a little drunk though, bc I'd most likely just be "ok you daft bitch" and attempt to walk away.

Greg!
07-06-2016, 12:43 PM
If someone attacked me I would hit them back, couldn't care less what gender they are

Niamh.
07-06-2016, 12:48 PM
If someone attacked me I would hit them back, couldn't care less what gender they are

Yep. If a woman hits a man, she's got to expect to get hit back :shrug:

Greg!
07-06-2016, 12:51 PM
Yep. If a woman hits a man, she's got to expect to get hit back :shrug:

They don't have to expect anything. But personally if I was attacked and felt threatened I would hit back, regardless of gender

Babayaro.
07-06-2016, 12:51 PM
If a woman hits a man she should expect to be hit back.

I don't believe anyone should just allow themselves to be attacked.

Yeah this.

Personally, if anyone hit me I would try my best to just get out of the situation ASAP instead of making things worse, but if I felt like there was no other option or if I was in some kind of danger, then I would probably hit them hard ONCE and leave it at that.

Livia
07-06-2016, 12:54 PM
I don't agree with men hitting women. But if the woman hits the man first, all bets are off.

reece(:
07-06-2016, 12:56 PM
Regardless of gender if you swing at me expect it back!

Mystic Mock
07-06-2016, 12:57 PM
It depends on if she consented or not?:think:

But seriously no a man shouldn't hit a woman unless the woman does either of these two things.

1. She hits the man first.

2. She makes the man watch Charmed.:joker:

Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 01:02 PM
Well there is a couple who go to an auction I go to. He is a thick set mean of 6 foot 8 and she is a wee wifie of about 4 foot 8 (often very tall men have very small partners!)

Now noone is convincing me that if she started hitting him, he should lamp her

its just not realistic

Niamh.
07-06-2016, 01:03 PM
Well there is a couple who go to an auction I go to. He is a thick set mean of 6 foot 8 and she is a wee wifie of about 4 foot 8 (often very tall men have very small partners!)

Now noone is convincing me that if she started hitting him, he should lamp her

its just not realistic

She shouldn't be hitting him though? If she got a thump back it might make her think twice about raising her hand to people in the future...don't you think?

Lostie!
07-06-2016, 01:05 PM
She shouldn't be hitting him though? If she got a thump back it might make her think twice about raising her hand to people in the future...don't you think?

:clap2:

Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 01:05 PM
She shouldn't be hitting him though? If she got a thump back it might make her think twice about raising her hand to people in the future...don't you think?

no

under no circumstances


Unless she was coming for him with a knife

Livia
07-06-2016, 01:06 PM
Well there is a couple who go to an auction I go to. He is a thick set mean of 6 foot 8 and she is a wee wifie of about 4 foot 8 (often very tall men have very small partners!)

Now noone is convincing me that if she started hitting him, he should lamp her

its just not realistic

Size is no guarantee of strength. And generally, women fight dirtier than men.

Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 01:07 PM
Size is no guarantee of strength. And generally, women fight dirtier than men.

yes they use mental torture

LukeB
07-06-2016, 01:08 PM
violence is unacceptable whether you are male or female, it shouldn't be acceptable for one gender only.

At school I was attacked by a female bully but I fought back in self defence.. does that make me a horrible person? no it doesn't because I had to defend myself.

Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 01:09 PM
violence is unacceptable whether you are male or female, it shouldn't be acceptable for one gender only.

At school I was attacked by a female bully but I fought back in self defence.. does that make me a horrible person? no it doesn't because I had to defend myself.

Do you hold a door open for a lady and always let them have right of way?

Amy Jade
07-06-2016, 01:10 PM
Size is no guarantee of strength. And generally, women fight dirtier than men.

This.

When I used to fight with my step brother when we were younger I used to try and kick him in the balls and dig my nails in to his skin :hee:

Mystic Mock
07-06-2016, 01:11 PM
Do you hold a door open for a lady and always let them have right of way?

1. No

2. What is right of way?

LukeB was definitely braver at School than me when it came to bullies though.:joker:

The only bully I ever stood up to was someone elses bully.:joker:

Livia
07-06-2016, 01:11 PM
yes they use mental torture

They use every weapon in their arsenal, I find.

Niamh.
07-06-2016, 01:12 PM
no

under no circumstances


Unless she was coming for him with a knife

I disagree, by that reckoning a smaller guy can punch a bigger guy and not expect a punch back? I think not

Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 01:12 PM
1. No

2. What is right of way?

LukeB was definitely braver at School than me when it came to bullies though.:joker:

The only bully I ever stood up to was someone elses bully.:joker:

well if you meet a lady in a door way you step aside to let them through

I was teaching smallest boy LT this very courtesy in the Spar at the weekend

LukeB
07-06-2016, 01:13 PM
Do you hold a door open for a lady and always let them have right of way?

I hold the door for anyone really (male and female)

Niamh.
07-06-2016, 01:13 PM
well if you meet a lady in a door way you step aside to let them through

I was teaching smallest boy LT this very courtesy in the Spar at the weekend

I teach my kids to hold the door open for both men and women :hee:

Lostie!
07-06-2016, 01:14 PM
Do you hold a door open for a lady and always let them have right of way?

I hold the door open for people in general, I don't see what being a woman has to do with it.

Mystic Mock
07-06-2016, 01:14 PM
well if you meet a lady in a door way you step aside to let them through

I was teaching smallest boy LT this very courtesy in the Spar at the weekend

I just hold the door open for anyone behind me, guy or girl as I see it as manners more than any old fashioned traditions.

LukeB
07-06-2016, 01:15 PM
1. No

2. What is right of way?

LukeB was definitely braver at School than me when it came to bullies though.:joker:

The only bully I ever stood up to was someone elses bully.:joker:

I let them call me names but if someone attacks me then sorry I don't care what gender you are I'm not going to put up with it.

Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 01:15 PM
I teach my kids to hold the door open for both men and women :hee:

life is too short to wait while some oiky bloke gets into the spar before you

(probably to but a fkg lottery ticket hold me up)

Livia
07-06-2016, 01:16 PM
LT... you're such a grumpus today.

Mystic Mock
07-06-2016, 01:16 PM
I let them call me names but if someone attacks me then sorry I don't care what gender you are I'm not going to put up with it.

Good for you, I wish I had that courage back in my School days.

Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 01:17 PM
LT... you're such a grumpus today.

everytime a go to get milk there is some bastard in front buying lottery tickets I get so angry

:oh:

LukeB
07-06-2016, 01:18 PM
Good for you, I wish I had that courage back in my School days.

I think I just went into attack mode randomly because she was clawing my face and punching me etc. :joker:

Livia
07-06-2016, 01:18 PM
everytime a go to get milk there is some bastard in front buying lottery tickets I get so angry

:oh:

Someone needs a hug...

and a switch to black coffee.

Northern Monkey
07-06-2016, 01:20 PM
If i had to hit a woman,I don't think i'd hit her full force as i know i would do damage.I think of it like would i hit a midget full force?Probably not and some midgets are stronger than women.Probs just give em a bat for shock effect,Make em think twice.

Northern Monkey
07-06-2016, 01:22 PM
Do you hold a door open for a lady and always let them have right of way?If they're pretty and size 12 or under:laugh:

Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 01:22 PM
If they're pretty and size 12 or under:laugh:

:joker:

:nono:

LukeB
07-06-2016, 01:25 PM
I also think it should be taken seriously when people say they were attacked by a female because you do get people laughing at you when people reveal that. I know corrie isn't real but one of the main reasons why Tyrone didn't say anything was because he thought people would laugh at him etc. But if people say a man attacks you it's taken so seriously and no one laughs.

bots
07-06-2016, 01:28 PM
Well, i've actually been hit by a woman and got a fractured skull, and I actually kept my hands behind my back so that i wouldn't hit her. I just removed myself from the situation as soon as possible because the moment a man hits back, no matter the circumstances, it will always be assumed that he was the main protagonist.

Lostie!
07-06-2016, 01:29 PM
I also think it should be taken seriously when people say they were attacked by a female because you do get people laughing at you when people reveal that. I know corrie isn't real but one of the main reasons why Tyrone didn't say anything was because people would laugh at him etc. But if people say a man attacks you it's taken so seriously and no one laughs.

This says it all really

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Niamh.
07-06-2016, 01:31 PM
I also think it should be taken seriously when people say they were attacked by a female because you do get people laughing at you when people reveal that. I know corrie isn't real but one of the main reasons why Tyrone didn't say anything was because he thought people would laugh at him etc. But if people say a man attacks you it's taken so seriously and no one laughs.

yes it's terrible, no abuse/aggressive behaviour should be tolerated

Northern Monkey
07-06-2016, 01:33 PM
I find that what Chris Rock said is very true.As a man you know that there are certain things you don't say to another man because it's gonna piss him right off and start some ****.You will be fighting.
Women though,They will unleash a barage of abuse at you because they know(or think)there won't be any consequences.Things like as Chris Rock said "You little dick mother****er,Yo momma was bitch" etc.As a man go and say that to another man and expect to be unleashed upon.

Beso
07-06-2016, 02:08 PM
Do you think that in any circumstance it would be right for a man to thump a women in the face?

The example I am thinking about is if a woman hit a man for some reason?


If someone looks at her lustfully or her face isn't covered up then yes it's ok to hit a woman, isn't it?

Headie
07-06-2016, 02:09 PM
Regardless of gender if you swing at me expect it back!

You been watchin' too much BGC?

Alf
07-06-2016, 02:12 PM
Most men are women nowadays.

Niamh.
07-06-2016, 02:17 PM
Most men are women nowadays.

How so?

Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 02:52 PM
This says it all really

LlFAd4YdQks

Yes most people think that the woman cant really hurt the guy and so are not bothered. He looked like if needs be he could have defended himself there.

and as woman dont normally react like that then he must have been doing the dirty and got caught


Seems perfectly normal reaction to me, I would have walked past and let them get on with it tbh

Lostie!
07-06-2016, 02:53 PM
Yes most people think that the woman cant really hurt the guy and so are not bothered. He looked like if needs be he could have defended himself there.

and as woman dont normally react like that then he must have been doing the dirty and got caught


Seems perfectly normal reaction to me, I would have walked past and let them get on with it tbh

If someone who wasn't clearly trolling came out with this guff then I'd probably be seriously annoyed. :spin:

Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 02:56 PM
If someone who wasn't clearly trolling came out with this guff then I'd probably be seriously annoyed. :spin:

i am sorry you dont agree but to assume your pov is the right one is arrogant plain and simple

Lostie!
07-06-2016, 02:57 PM
i am sorry you dont agree but to assume your pov is the right one is arrogant plain and simple

:joker:

Niamh.
07-06-2016, 02:58 PM
i am sorry you dont agree but to assume your pov is the right one is arrogant plain and simple

His is the right opinion though :hee:

No one has the right to put their hands on another person, if they don't want hands put on them in return the solution is quite simple...........

Lostie!
07-06-2016, 03:01 PM
Okay, let's assume you're being serious LT, just for the hell of it...

My pov doesn't involve victim-blaming just because the victim happens to be a male and saying actively supporting a woman abusing a man is a "normal reaction", so I'm perfectly content to believe my viewpoint is the "right" one, since the other is a horribly skewed and dangerous one to hold. :)

Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 03:03 PM
Okay, let's assume you're being serious LT, just for the hell of it...

My pov doesn't involve victim-blaming just because the victim happens to be a male and saying actively supporting a woman abusing a man is a "normal reaction", so I'm perfectly content to believe my viewpoint is the "right" one, since the other is a horribly skewed and dangerous one to hold. :)

No, like all the people there they just thought the man was in no danger and thus did not get involved, no mystery there

arista
07-06-2016, 03:06 PM
How so?


He is Talking about the Younger men
that are to soft

Ashley.
07-06-2016, 03:06 PM
I disagree with men hitting women, but I also disagree with men not being able to hit back. I couldn't possibly count on one hand the number of occasions in clubs or bars where I've witness a women using the ridiculous "I'm a girl" excuse, when they're being just as aggressive as the man.

Of course, I don't think anybody should resort to violence at all. But I'm not having one rule for one, and a different rule for another. If we're allowed to defend ourselves, then so can men in my books?

Lostie!
07-06-2016, 03:09 PM
No, like all the people there they just thought the man was in no danger and thus did not get involved, no mystery there

Yeah, they thought he was in no danger because he was a man and she was a woman. I'm sure the same has been said about real male victims who ended up being killed.

And a good few of them actually said they assumed he deserved it, which is reprehensible and I have no respect for anyone who operates with that train of thought.

Niamh.
07-06-2016, 03:09 PM
Okay, let's assume you're being serious LT, just for the hell of it...

My pov doesn't involve victim-blaming just because the victim happens to be a male and saying actively supporting a woman abusing a man is a "normal reaction", so I'm perfectly content to believe my viewpoint is the "right" one, since the other is a horribly skewed and dangerous one to hold. :)

:clap2:

Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 03:11 PM
Yeah, they thought he was in no danger because he was a man and she was a woman. I'm sure the same has been said about real male victims who ended up being killed.

And a good few of them actually said they assumed he deserved it, which is reprehensible and I have no respect for anyone who operates with that train of thought.

"about real male victims who ended up being killed."


So have you an example of that in a similar situation in a park with 2 people of the same build or are you just using another unrelated unqualified example to somehow make your argument?

Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 03:12 PM
I disagree with men hitting women, but I also disagree with men not being able to hit back. I couldn't possibly count on one hand the number of occasions in clubs or bars where I've witness a women using the ridiculous "I'm a girl" excuse, when they're being just as aggressive as the man.

Of course, I don't think anybody should resort to violence at all. But I'm not having one rule for one, and a different rule for another. If we're allowed to defend ourselves, then so can men in my books?

so you think that there should be no men and womens sports then as well, for example?

Niamh.
07-06-2016, 03:14 PM
so you think that there should be no men and womens sports then as well, for example?

Hitting someone is against the law, sports are not. Don't break the law and you won't get hurt :hee:

Ashley.
07-06-2016, 03:21 PM
Hitting someone is against the law, sports are not. Don't break the law and you won't get hurt :hee:

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Lostie!
07-06-2016, 03:22 PM
"about real male victims who ended up being killed."


So have you an example of that in a similar situation in a park with 2 people of the same build or are you just using another unrelated unqualified example to somehow make your argument?

Unrelated? You harp on about sports and holding doors open and my point actually focused on violence is unrelated? :joker:

You keep living in your nice little fantasy world, I sincerely hope you're never in the situation you seem so adamant on brushing off as unimportant. :)

Josy
07-06-2016, 03:24 PM
No one should be thumping anyone but if you give it out you better be prepared to take it back whoever you are.

user104658
07-06-2016, 03:32 PM
A partner etc. no way, unless they were threatening my life or serious injury (e.g. coming at me with a knife or another weapon). For "randoms" - nobody should ever hit anyone else without seriouly good reason. Not "provocation", "wnding up" or whatever... no one should turn to violence unless it's to physically defend themselves or others who, again, are at real risk of being killed or seriously injured. In that case, basically use whatever force is necessary to stop an attacker. Male or female really doesn't matter.

Actually thinking about it there is no gender distinction at all, then. Men should only hit women in extreme and defensive circumstances - but likewise, men should only hit other men in those circumstances :shrug:.

Or mutually agreed sports, obvz.

Crimson Dynamo
07-06-2016, 04:11 PM
Unrelated? You harp on about sports and holding doors open and my point actually focused on violence is unrelated? :joker:

You keep living in your nice little fantasy world, I sincerely hope you're never in the situation you seem so adamant on brushing off as unimportant. :)

and you keep losing any argument you may have by constant personal remarks

:shrug:

kirklancaster
07-06-2016, 04:21 PM
Assaulting someone is unacceptable regardless of gender and those who think women hitting men isn't as bad need to tell that to the men abused and killed by violent partners.

Likewise, both genders have every right to fight back and defend themselves if they're being attacked. I'd rather bear the ridiculous outdated social stigma of being the guy who fought back against a woman rather than be the guy seriously injured or killed all because victims of female-on-male violence risk being mocked and/or vilified if they dare defend themselves.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:
If only being a 'female' was some guarantor of feminity, but it is not. Some women are just as capable of aggression and violence as some men - and despite always regarding myself as a 'Gentleman', I would not think twice from defending myself against possible injury from such females, and that would include punching where less 'violent' restraint was not an option.

Women's Prisons are full of female wannabe Mike Tysons.

Just happened across this:

‘Give me 20p!’: Aggressive beggar demanding small change hurls abuse and tries to kick terrified teenager before she is SAVED by a friend who pays tramp off.

Yelling woman stood over 16-year-old Bobbie Vaughn and aims a kick
Teenager simply didn't have a 20p to give but the beggar didn't listen
Eventually another passing girl gives the adult some money

This is the shocking moment a sunbathing teenage girl was subjected to a stream of abuse after she told a female beggar she couldn't give her 20p.
Video footage shows the topless adult screaming in the face of 16-year-old Bobbie Vaughn while she was relaxing in the Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester city centre.
The woman leans over Vaughn, who is lying down, yelling indignantly, 'All I wanted was 20p' before aiming a kick at the student as she shouts, 'Don't run your mouth to me.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3628972/Give-20p-Aggressive-beggar-demanding-small-change-hurls-abuse-tries-kick-terrified-teenager-SAVED-friend-pays-off.html
Now, if that was ME laid innocently sunbathing on the grass....

smudgie
07-06-2016, 05:58 PM
No simple answer.

In general I would say don't hit anyone unless you are prepared for retaliation, gender has nothing to do with it.
There was a lot of fighting going on in my youth, just the way it was.
I hit a lad first fully expecting to get whacked back but one can only take so much provocation.
I also jumped on an ex that thought it would be fun to break my nose.
For all that, I taught my kids that to walk away from trouble makes you the better person, stand up for yourself but never pick on someone weaker than you.

Liberty4eva
07-06-2016, 07:19 PM
This video sums up what is wrong with some corners of the media on this issue. A man is being attacked relentlessly by a woman and he is supposed to just sit back and take it? That was sort of the message I got while watching it. I don't believe any woman should be hit unless she herself is the aggressure.

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Northern Monkey
07-06-2016, 10:12 PM
This video sums up what is wrong with some corners of the media on this issue. A man is being attacked relentlessly by a woman and he is supposed to just sit back and take it? That was sort of the message I got while watching it. I don't believe any woman should be hit unless she herself is the aggressure.

QOiRQld9j34
That bus attendant looked to have handled that very calmly.He did'nt hit her he just tapped her legs to put her down and restrain her.I mean i've seen bouncers carry people out of clubs after they've knocked them clean out.People are ridiculous.Nobody was just gonna stand there and let the woman punch them and swing objects at them.That was definitely reasonable force.

user104658
07-06-2016, 10:26 PM
That bus attendant looked to have handled that very calmly.He did'nt hit her he just tapped her legs to put her down and restrain her.I mean i've seen bouncers carry people out of clubs after they've knocked them clean out.People are ridiculous.Nobody was just gonna stand there and let the woman punch them and swing objects at them.That was definitely reasonable force.

In two minds about this. Obviously she's... err... a "special" sort of lady to be physically attacking people while her kids watch on, and I agree that the staff should have been well within their rights to restrain her...

However... sweeping someone's legs from behind and pushing them backwards onto concrete could legitimately, and easily, cause a serious head injury or death.

He's like 4 times her size and there are multiple members of staff present, they could quite easily have safely restrained her until police arrived. I suppose maybe the guy doesn't know how badly that could have gone, but in my opinion, it was beyond reasonable force. I also think it was hugely unprofessional, as I strongly suspect he did it because she was pissing him off and not because he felt in any way at genuine risk and in need of defending himself.

(Again this isn't a gender issue, I'd be saying the same if it was a [...small...] man in the video)

JoshBB
07-06-2016, 10:31 PM
Violence is wrong in all forms, however I do understand that if someone hits you for no reason, you're likely to want to do it back. I don't think gender plays a role in this really, so long as proportionate force is used (if someone slapped you in the face it obviously wouldn't be reasonable to stamp on their neck for example lol), then I don't really blame the guy. Just don't start fights with anyone. Use ur words.

GiRTh
07-06-2016, 10:32 PM
In two minds about this. Obviously she's... err... a "special" sort of lady to be physically attacking people while her kids watch on, and I agree that the staff should have been well within their rights to restrain her...

However... sweeping someone's legs from behind and pushing them backwards onto concrete could legitimately, and easily, cause a serious head injury or death.

He's like 4 times her size and there are multiple members of staff present, they could quite easily have safely restrained her until police arrived. I suppose maybe the guy doesn't know how badly that could have gone, but in my opinion, it was beyond reasonable force. I also think it was hugely unprofessional, as I strongly suspect he did it because she was pissing him off and not because he felt in any way at genuine risk and in need of defending himself.

(Again this isn't a gender issue, I'd be saying the same if it was a [...small...] man in the video)I doubt they are trained to do that so although I agree the way he restrained her could have caused serious injury, I would sympahise more with him than her, if she had prosecuted.

I think there are alot of aggressive woman around, like this woman, and they really need to make sure they keep their hands to themselves, Not every man is a 'gentleman' and would treat them gently.

Liberty4eva
07-06-2016, 10:35 PM
In two minds about this. Obviously she's... err... a "special" sort of lady to be physically attacking people while her kids watch on, and I agree that the staff should have been well within their rights to restrain her...

However... sweeping someone's legs from behind and pushing them backwards onto concrete could legitimately, and easily, cause a serious head injury or death.

He's like 4 times her size and there are multiple members of staff present, they could quite easily have safely restrained her until police arrived. I suppose maybe the guy doesn't know how badly that could have gone, but in my opinion, it was beyond reasonable force. I also think it was hugely unprofessional, as I strongly suspect he did it because she was pissing him off and not because he felt in any way at genuine risk and in need of defending himself.

(Again this isn't a gender issue, I'd be saying the same if it was a [...small...] man in the video)

I think it is just as much a question about dignity as it is about whether or not force was reasonable. What the woman was doing was unreasonable and incredibly disrespectful. I'm a big guy myself and if someone smaller than me started hitting me, I can tell you that I would respond. I doubt I would pound her to the ground but it would be something.

user104658
07-06-2016, 10:40 PM
I think it is just as much a question about dignity as it is about whether or not force was reasonable. What the woman was doing was unreasonable. I'm a big guy myself and if someone smaller than me started hitting me, I can tell you that I would respond. I doubt I would pound her to the ground but it would be something.

Yeah like I said it's not about the fact that he responds, so much as the potential outcome, which maybe he wasn't aware of. A blow to the back of the head like that could cause serious damage instantly, and then it's over for everyone, including him, as he'd probably be up for manslaughter.

If he'd grabbed her arms and pinned her etc. that would have been quite a reasonable response but doing something that could so easily kill, not so much. I guess look at it this way: would you consider his response to the situation reasonable or justifiable if he'd grabbed her and pushed her in front of a moving bus?

the truth
08-06-2016, 01:31 AM
she was demanding a weapon too....she was hysterical and violent. women need to stop being so violent

Ammi
08-06-2016, 05:37 AM
This video sums up what is wrong with some corners of the media on this issue. A man is being attacked relentlessly by a woman and he is supposed to just sit back and take it? That was sort of the message I got while watching it. I don't believe any woman should be hit unless she herself is the aggressure.

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...I agree about the media focus on this, the way his size is being referred to because the level of aggression is equally relevant ...she may be physically much smaller than him but she looks as though she's 'lost control' with her anger and aggression...which makes her very capable of hurting him ...someone made a omment in the vid that he could have walked away...which he could have..but she had already used a 'weapon' to hit him and had asked for something more dangerous...so if he turned his back to wal away, he could have been hit by the scooter or whatever it was that she asked for....his control seemed to be there through it all...which I think is quite admirable....even after being physically attacked the first time by someone who was obviously beyond any reasoning...he still tried to 'ward off' and de-mobilise, rather than attack...ok, maybe sweeping her feet away wasn't the best thought out thing...but who of us would always think of 'the best thought out thing', wwhen faced with an out of control person who is intent on physically hurting us....I think tht he tried his best to not use physical force, to not use 'his burly weight' as the media described but just to lay her on the ground where she wouldn't be a threat...I doubt that there are many people who would have done that..so I think a big focus should be how fortunate she was as well, that it was him and not someone else who she lost control with....


...anyways, her poor children..that's how beyond reason she was, that her only focus was to physically harm the guy....

Livia
08-06-2016, 09:23 AM
There's such a divide between men and women when it comes to people's reaction to their violent behaviour. People are saying the women should have been restrained... mostly for her own safety. That's not the first reaction when a man gets violent. And also, women are not all tiny, frail creatures. Some are bigger and stronger than some men. Just as some men are slight and physically weak.

Violence is that last resort of the idiotic.

the truth
08-06-2016, 10:46 AM
There's such a divide between men and women when it comes to people's reaction to their violent behaviour. People are saying the women should have been restrained... mostly for her own safety. That's not the first reaction when a man gets violent. And also, women are not all tiny, frail creatures. Some are bigger and stronger than some men. Just as some men are slight and physically weak.

Violence is that last resort of the idiotic.

amen...tbh i see zero difference between violence whether its from a man or a woman, its wrong. if any copper didnt take a male domestic violence report serious that man should report that copper. anyone can injure , maim or kill anyone else...sometimes with fists or with kicks or with a knife or bash to the head, all violence is wrong and a tiny woman can kill a big man. so what if the majority of men are slightly stronger, it comes down to the nature of the person.

hot2go
08-06-2016, 01:36 PM
If a man hits a woman she shud remember he has to sleep at some point after....if a women hits a man then he should leave her...both should report it.....unfare that society makes it hard for men to retaliate to abuse from women....

Crimson Dynamo
08-06-2016, 01:50 PM
I was brought up that you never hit a woman and that is what I will be teaching smallest boy LT

apart from his sisters who deserve a clump as they wind him up so much

:nono:

bots
08-06-2016, 02:02 PM
I was brought up that you never hit a woman and that is what I will be teaching smallest boy LT

apart from his sisters who deserve a clump as they wind him up so much

:nono:

I was brought up with that as well. It would have been a very rare event indeed for a woman to get violent toward a man in those times. The same can't be said now.

jennyjuniper
08-06-2016, 02:08 PM
If a woman hits a man then she shouldn't be suprised if he hits/thumps her back. If he didn't the woman could take that as a free pass to hit him whenever she chose.
I think it was someone on this site who gave a great quote.
'Men stopped acting like gentlemen when women stopped acting like ladies'.

Vicky.
09-06-2016, 12:08 AM
I think if a woman hits a bloke he is well within his rights to hit her back :shrug:

I believe in equality

However in an ideal world, noone would be hitting anyone else.

Jack_
09-06-2016, 12:23 AM
welp not me missing this thread because I had Serious Debates excluded from New Posts for some reason

Violence is never justifiable unless in self-defence and this applies to both sexes. If you hit someone, expect them to retaliate. And quite frankly trying to protect women and pretend they're this frail and vulnerable group of people which must never be touched is extremely patronising and condescending.

Crimson Dynamo
09-06-2016, 07:54 AM
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This sums it up for me. WHilst both are wrong and he is clearly drunk

Yes she is hitting him but he can easily take her slaps and naturally should have walked away.

When he retaliates he could have killed her. Disgusting from him. As a man he should have walked away
No one will tell me he had any right to hit her. Utterly shocking

the truth
09-06-2016, 09:56 AM
I was brought up that you never hit a woman and that is what I will be teaching smallest boy LT

apart from his sisters who deserve a clump as they wind him up so much

:nono:

i hope you teach the girls not to hit too

Niamh.
09-06-2016, 09:57 AM
i hope you teach the girls not to hit too

Indeed

Crimson Dynamo
09-06-2016, 10:27 AM
i hope you teach the girls not to hit too

my girls would never

:nono:

the truth
09-06-2016, 10:28 AM
my girls would never

:nono:

i just find it strange you say you teach your boy not to hit but you dont say you teach your girls not to hit?

Crimson Dynamo
09-06-2016, 10:32 AM
i just find it strange you say you teach your boy not to hit but you dont say you teach your girls not to hit?

not really

boys due to testosterone are more likely to be involved with fighting per se and being well brought up girls I do not expect them ever to be involved with hitting men as that tends to belong to the feral under classes who end up on Jeremy kYLE

Niamh.
09-06-2016, 10:33 AM
not really

boys due to testosterone are more likely to be involved with fighting per se and being well brought up girls I do not expect them ever to be involved with hitting men as that tends to belong to the feral under classes who end up on Jeremy kYLE

So your daughters never hit anyone as little kids? All kids do that and that's when you teach them hitting is wrong

the truth
09-06-2016, 10:43 AM
not really

boys due to testosterone are more likely to be involved with fighting per se and being well brought up girls I do not expect them ever to be involved with hitting men as that tends to belong to the feral under classes who end up on Jeremy kYLE

thats totally sexist. you should teach your girls not to hit too:nono:

Cherie
09-06-2016, 10:45 AM
thats totally sexist. you should teach your girls not to hit too:nono:

:clap1:

Crimson Dynamo
09-06-2016, 10:59 AM
thats totally sexist. you should teach your girls not to hit too:nono:

well as neem says of course we did when they were little children

all parents do this I would hope:shrug:

the truth
09-06-2016, 10:59 AM
well as neem says of course we did when they were little children

all parents do this I would hope:shrug:

good why didnt you say that in the first place

Crimson Dynamo
09-06-2016, 11:03 AM
good why didnt you say that in the first place

surely that is a given?

the truth
09-06-2016, 11:08 AM
surely that is a given?

nope

Kizzy
10-06-2016, 06:25 AM
5 pages to say no?... it's not right for anyone to hit anyone :/ I know I haven't been about for a few days but come on, seriously?

kirklancaster
10-06-2016, 06:42 AM
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This sums it up for me. WHilst both are wrong and he is clearly drunk

Yes she is hitting him but he can easily take her slaps and naturally should have walked away.

When he retaliates he could have killed her. Disgusting from him. As a man he should have walked away
No one will tell me he had any right to hit her. Utterly shocking

I totally agree L.T.

As you say, her 'slaps' and 'punches' WERE ineffectual 'powder puff' ones, and he had plenty of time to just walk away but the stupid twat stands there taking them like one of the Three Stooges.

Perhaps he WANTED to beat her up but thought that allowing her to continually slap him would justify his actions in the eyes of any onlookers?

Livia
10-06-2016, 09:37 AM
5 pages to say no?... it's not right for anyone to hit anyone :/ I know I haven't been about for a few days but come on, seriously?

Close the thread, Kizzy's back to point out where we're all going wrong... no need for any more opinions.

kirklancaster
10-06-2016, 09:43 AM
Close the thread, Kizzy's back to point out where we're all going wrong... no need for any more opinions.

:laugh2:

Kizzy
10-06-2016, 11:07 PM
Close the thread, Kizzy's back to point out where we're all going wrong... no need for any more opinions.

Well?.... You heard her, close it.

I have only pointed out what I'd have thought was screamingly obvious to anyone with a modicum of common sense like...

Cherie
11-06-2016, 08:58 AM
Well?.... You heard her, close it.

I have only pointed out what I'd have thought was screamingly obvious to anyone with a modicum of common sense like...

:joker:

alex_front2
11-06-2016, 10:58 AM
There's a clip ON YOUTUBE of two lesbians punching and racially abusing a guy, he show so much restraint warning them he will punch if they don't stop, they keep goading him, swinging punches but eventually hits the butch one.

Cal.
11-06-2016, 02:25 PM
I'd give anyone a smack if they give me one.

Also bye @ the prospect of me holding doors open for men or women I'm more important than anyone

Denver
11-06-2016, 02:44 PM
If a women can swing a punch she can take a punch