Eddie izzard made a total twat of himself on question time

[the truth]

Ignorant rude , obnoxious, incoherent, arrogant, self praising, pointing at people, ranting over them...making very few factual or pertinent points

total twat and his performance will have done nothing but damage the remain campaign

[joeysteele]

I quite liked Eddie Izzards interventions,this is how he is anyway, for once this edition had some life to it and he actually made some very good points.

The Telegraph woman was a total waste of space for me tonight.

Nigel Farage probably performed the best to be fair, when he was able to.

[T*]

why is Eddie izzard on question time
Why is Russell Brand interested in politics
Why is Donald Trump running for president

who let all these celebrities stick their big stupid ****ing wooden spoons in tho

[the truth]

whether youre in or out, izzard was a pig ignorant egotist

[LaLaLand]

He was diabolical, as was his hat.

[the truth]

ive never found him funny tbh

farages responses were brilliant at times

farage says , id like to say to the 2 panellists, izzard shouts over him , only 2 out of 5....
yes says farage that says how far weve progressed, it used to me just me on my own

the man is a legend.

[Shaun]

why is Eddie izzard on question time

He's been outspoken in favour of European integration / multiculturalism since his career started, it's hardly a new phenomenon or some sort of bandwagon. He's pretty intelligent, done tonnes of stuff for charity and political movements, and it's a bit of an insult to lump him in with the other two you mention.

[BB4fan]

He sounded like an idiot and he looked like Angela Merkell.

[the truth]

he was plain ignorant as hell

[T*]

He's been outspoken in favour of European integration / multiculturalism since his career started, it's hardly a new phenomenon or some sort of bandwagon. He's pretty intelligent, done tonnes of stuff for charity and political movements, and it's a bit of an insult to lump him in with the other two you mention.



Ah

[Whatever Next]

WTF

Ranting Idiot let's join together all over the world, Eddie the lizard you could call it a New World Order.

Trashed his career I feel.

Knob

[Kizzy]

Why can't celebs have political opinions...If he, Brand or anyone has an opinion or specific interest/knowledge on a political topic then why can't they air them?
Does everyone have to sit in their little shoe box?
Right, you do comedy don't do or say anything else, it might upset the plebs :/

[joeysteele]

Why can't celebs have political opinions...If he, Brand or anyone has an opinion or specific interest/knowledge on a political topic then why can't they air them?
Does everyone have to sit in their little shoe box?
Right, you do comedy don't do or say anything else, it might upset the plebs :/

QT often brings in varied panellists, Carol Vorderman has been on, Adam Rickett and Joey Barton just to name 3.

Perhaps is more of non party panellist were about the answers would be better.

I don't know if you watched this Kizzy.
There was a lady in the audience on who was Foreign but who was deeply worried and really anxious at the rhetoric around this EU campaign towards migrants and even last night from the panel too,particularly as to the attitude to towards migrants.

That she has come to even feel fears that way in this so called wonderful example of a Country, had me feeling almost ashamed to be British, especially at the high profile given to immigration in this campaign and the rather sinister tone used behind it towards them too by hardliners.

I think she had a point which was unfortunately sort of passed over rather quickly by the panel and Dimbleby.

[bots]

i've never liked Izzard, so I'm just not interested in anything he has to say, whether he agrees with me on the EU or not.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is an unfunny charlatan and a total wanker

[user104658]

He is an unfunny charlatan and a total wanker
Aren't we all, LT. Aren't we all.

[Livia]

I'm tired of Izzard's preaching. I'm tired of hearing how he's run so many marathons to raise money for Africa... while he probably ran past plenty of homeless people on the streets here. His opinion is no more valid than mine, or than any of ours.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Aren't we all, LT. Aren't we all.

no, you are a lot funnier than that dick Izzard

[Shaun]

I'm tired of Izzard's preaching. I'm tired of hearing how he's run so many marathons to raise money for Africa... while he probably ran past plenty of homeless people on the streets here. His opinion is no more valid than mine, or than any of ours.


Forgot he should've given all of them a home, silly me.

[user104658]

His opinion is no more valid than mine, or than any of ours.

I agree but then, I'd also say that his opinion is no less valid than Farage's or Cameron's or anyone else's either... I don't buy into the idea that being a career politician gives some "special status" when it comes to being on something like QT or that it automatically adds any gravitas to what they have to say.

[Northern Monkey]

Awful excuse for a human being.Never been a fan.

[Niamh.]

Why can't celebs have political opinions...If he, Brand or anyone has an opinion or specific interest/knowledge on a political topic then why can't they air them?
Does everyone have to sit in their little shoe box?
Right, you do comedy don't do or say anything else, it might upset the plebs :/

:clap2:

Comedians aren't allowed hold an interest in Politics? wtf? lol every citizen should

[arista]

Ignorant rude , obnoxious, incoherent, arrogant, self praising, pointing at people, ranting over them...making very few factual or pertinent points

total twat and his performance will have done nothing but damage the remain campaign


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[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree but then, I'd also say that his opinion is no less valid than Farage's or Cameron's or anyone else's either... I don't buy into the idea that being a career politician gives some "special status" when it comes to being on something like QT or that it automatically adds any gravitas to what they have to say.

Untrue Farage is in the thick of the EU on a day to day basis, he is EXACTLY the guy who we should be listening too

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/10/09/351E2CD900000578-0-image-a-10_1465546174275.jpg
'Shut up!' Ranting Eddie Izzard
slapped down by Question Time audience

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3634814/Shut-Ranting-Eddie-Izzard-slapped-Question-Time-audience-accuses-Nigel-Farage-betraying-immigrant-roots-call-Brexit.html#ixzz4BBIVOr33


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/10/10/351EE09500000578-3634814-image-a-20_1465551657265.jpg

[user104658]

Untrue Farage is in the thick of the EU on a day to day basis, he is EXACTLY the guy who we should be listening too
It would be extremely foolish to listen to any of them, in my opinion. They have agendas that they don't share, therefore their words are skewed in ways that can't be put into context.

[Livia]

Forgot he should've given all of them a home, silly me.

That's not what I was saying, as you know...

[the truth]

Farage was great though.

[joeysteele]

Nigel Farage is the only person of high profile I will give the time of day too as to the exiting of the EU.
This has been his sole aim for ages to get a referendum and then see the UK out of the EU,I admire his commitment to that even though I disagree with him totally.

I would listen to him any day of the week over the totally false Boris Johnson, a man with little or no real conviction, not to be believed or trusted other than as to his own personal ambition.
An ambition that leads him to hold no continuity of promises or thinking,not caring one jot as to whose toes he treads on in his way,either by direct or indirect backstabbing.

I actually also admire Izzard for his charity efforts,and again although he was at times over the top,he made very valid points and contributed to this being a really lively programme.
Easy to criticise him and put him down for what he does charity wise,and the way he goes on it,however that is how he is and I for one applaud his charity efforts and although I wish he could calm down a little, what he says I find I agree with him most of the time.

[the truth]

Nigel Farage is the only person of high profile I will give the time of day too as to the exiting of the EU.
This has been his sole aim for ages to get a referendum and then see the UK out of the EU,I admire his commitment to that even though I disagree with him totally.

I would listen to him any day of the week over the totally false Boris Johnson, a man with little or no real conviction, not to be believed or trusted other than as to his own personal ambition.
An ambition that leads him to hold no continuity of promises or thinking,not caring one jot as to whose toes he treads on in his way,either by direct or indirect backstabbing.

I actually also admire Izzard for his charity efforts,and again although he was at times over the top,he made very valid points and contributed to this being a really lively programme.
Easy to criticise him and put him down for what he does charity wise,and the way he goes on it,however that is how he is and I for one applaud his charity efforts and although I wish he could calm down a little, what he says I find I agree with him most of the time.

Youre mistaking the message for the messenger, a juvenile and profound mistake.

The left is wholly responsible for this disaster, illegal wars, silencing public servants, burying bad news like 20,000 children abused in rotherham and endless nhs abuses....they have in effect tried to take away civil liberties and free speech. shouting down anyone who even questions them as racists or sexist. Theyre militant bullying , erosion of liberties, bankrupting of our nation, covering up of the massive civil service corruption and killing a million innocent iraqis really should have given them some humility. they will have the next 50 years to reflect on what a dreadful treasonous party they have become

[joeysteele]

Youre mistaking the message for the messenger, a juvenile and profound mistake.

The left is wholly responsible for this disaster, illegal wars, silencing public servants, burying bad news like 20,000 children abused in rotherham and endless nhs abuses....they have in effect tried to take away civil liberties and free speech. shouting down anyone who even questions them as racists or sexist. Theyre militant bullying , erosion of liberties, bankrupting of our nation, covering up of the massive civil service corruption and killing a million innocent iraqis really should have given them some humility. they will have the next 50 years to reflect on what a dreadful treasonous party they have become

Oh give it a rest with the getting at those on the left nonsense with respect, there are enough on here who get at the left already.

I cannot debate with you, you are never reasoned enough to do so, and that is really sad as I enjoy talking to people of differing opinions, when they talk with respect and not just digs most of the time.

Honestly, how you get away with it is beyond me, as none of what you list above, on your yet again taking every thread into derailment almost, has anything to do with the EU and definitely nothing at all to do with Eddie Izzard.

[Kizzy]

Awful excuse for a human being.Never been a fan.

Bit extreme... A humanitarian philanthropic comedian...what a bastard!

[MB.]

p.s. the truth, "the left" isn't a party, but I suppose we're all just secret Blairites ain't we

[joeysteele]

p.s. the truth, "the left" isn't a party, but I suppose we're all just secret Blairites ain't we

Well said,

Getting at the left on here is almost a sport now.
I was once considered right wing as to my politics, I sure am glad I walked away from that seeing the hardline attitudes here from a few at times and even much moreso off here, far happier I am now for sure.

You are right however, the left is not a party so when people get at the left generally, they are getting at everyone on the left of politics,the general public, voters and also even other members who are of the left of politics.
Especially when they don't qualify it with the words 'some' rather than the generalisation of 'those on the left' or 'the left'.

How the left in any event can be blamed for the EU or anything as to it is beyond all reason.
For the 43 years we have been tied to Europe through the Common Market and then the EU,there has been over 24 years of Conservative led govt in that time.
Both times as to change as to the UK going into Europe, the UK first going in and the formation of the EU too, done when Conservative govts were solely in power.

If there are real grumbles at the EU that are in any way genuine how they,or the right avoid getting some of the blame too,when they have presided over 24 years of our time in it,shows the irrationality of claims made 'only' against the left by some on here.

[the truth]

Oh give it a rest with the getting at those on the left nonsense with respect, there are enough on here who get at the left already.

I cannot debate with you, you are never reasoned enough to do so, and that is really sad as I enjoy talking to people of differing opinions, when they talk with respect and not just digs most of the time.

Honestly, how you get away with it is beyond me, as none of what you list above, on your yet again taking every thread into derailment almost, has anything to do with the EU and definitely nothing at all to do with Eddie Izzard.

lol the endless personal attacks from you simply undermine you and prove you have lost the debate again

[the truth]

Well said,

Getting at the left on here is almost a sport now.
I was once considered right wing as to my politics, I sure am glad I walked away from that seeing the hardline attitudes here from a few at times and even much moreso off here, far happier I am now for sure.

You are right however, the left is not a party so when people get at the left generally, they are getting at everyone on the left of politics,the general public, voters and also even other members who are of the left of politics.
Especially when they don't qualify it with the words 'some' rather than the generalisation of 'those on the left' or 'the left'.

How the left in any event can be blamed for the EU or anything as to it is beyond all reason.
For the 43 years we have been tied to Europe through the Common Market and then the EU,there has been over 24 years of Conservative led govt in that time.
Both times as to change as to the UK going into Europe, the UK first going in and the formation of the EU too, done when Conservative govts were solely in power.

If there are real grumbles at the EU that are in any way genuine how they,or the right avoid getting some of the blame too,when they have presided over 24 years of our time in it,shows the irrationality of claims made 'only' against the left by some on here.

new labour signed the constitution lol ....new labour blew up the middle east which created this mass immigration refugeee crisis. new labour bankrupted britain lol. and you dont see any of these issues as relevant or interconnected lol. typical new labour tbh

[Northern Monkey]

Just managed to watch this.One thing i will say about Izzard.He was a great asset to the leave campaign.I think Farage hired him to go on as his secret weapon.

[joeysteele]

lol the endless personal attacks from you simply undermine you and prove you have lost the debate again

I wasn't arguing I was stating a fact and I'd further happily and unhesitatingly add you are one of the worst offenders on here as to the generalisation against all on the left,including members on here.

As I also said, how you keep getting away with it and derailing threads taking them way off topic is beyond me.

If you attack me and what I stand for,I have the right to respond, even though it is a total waste of my time.

[JoshBB]

It's no secret that I'm much more politically alligned to Izzard than Farage, but they really did make a tit of themselves.. needs to learn to shut up


(gender-neutral phrases bc im not sure what 'their' pronoun is, ive read different things about tht)

[Tom4784]

This thread is basically a game of 'spot the brexit supporter who is going through the five stages of grief over their impending loss'.

[kirklancaster]

It's no secret that I'm much more politically alligned to Izzard than Farage, but they really did make a tit of themselves.. needs to learn to shut up


(gender-neutral phrases bc im not sure what 'their' pronoun is, ive read different things about tht)

I hope that you are not including Farage in your descriptor; 'They', Josh, because he is one of the most civil and polite politicians there is.

Interrupting others, talking over others out of turn, and not allowing others to respond to a question directed to them during a discussion program, are the most utilised tactics of two distinct types of ignoramus:

1. The ignorant who have no manners.

2. The ignorant who need to hide the fact that they have no GENUINE knowledge of the subject under discussion.

I'm afraid that the unfunny Eddie Izzard qualifies as both types.

There is nothing wrong with celebrities - or any other type of 'non-professional' politician being on the panel of any discussion program, but those responsible for drawing up the panel guest lists should at least ascertain that the names they are inviting to appear are at least intelligent and knowledgeable about the subjects up for discussion, or failing that, are capable of being witty and injecting light relief into the program.

TIzzard does not qualify on either count.

[JoshBB]

I hope that you are not including Farage in your descriptor; 'They', Josh, because he is one of the most civil and polite politicians there is.

Interrupting others, talking over others out of turn, and not allowing others to respond to a question directed to them during a discussion program, are the most utilised tactics of two distinct types of ignoramus:

1. The ignorant who have no manners.

2. The ignorant who need to hide the fact that they have no GENUINE knowledge of the subject under discussion.

I'm afraid that the unfunny Eddie Izzard qualifies as both types.

There is nothing wrong with celebrities - or any other type of 'non-professional' politician being on the panel of any discussion program, but those responsible for drawing up the panel guest lists should at least ascertain that the names they are inviting to appear are at least intelligent and knowledgeable about the subjects up for discussion, or failing that, are capable of being witty and injecting light relief into the program.

TIzzard does not qualify on either count.

'They' was aimed at Eddie. Although Farage could shut up with his views on migrants in general tbh

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh and he looked like a total div as well. what a plank.

[empire]

there is a reason why so many celebs are pro eu, well it makes their bank balance better, because if the eu told them to pay bigger tax percentage, their tune would be the other way,

[user104658]

To be fair Kirk, I have a LOT of arsehole punters who are sticklers for "manners".

[Kizzy]

Watched it, loving Eddies nod to prince. He was right Farage is an immigrant against immigration, funny how they are the most vocal on immigration those who themselves are second or third generation immigrants.
How rude was the man shouting 'shut up' they really need to teach the audience some manners, or vet them better... sounded like a right 'chav' :/

[Northern Monkey]

I never understand why people say Farage is against immigration.He's never said that:shrug:

He like a large percentage of (non racist)people in this country just wants to be able to control the numbers we take in.It is highly irresponsible to not be able to control your own borders as a country.Every government has a huge problem being able to build enough houses for the existing population of this country.Why would we want to make that problem alot bigger than it already is?
Not many people are against immigrants they just want to take back control of the amount.

[empire]

last week the lefties, are trying to make him say sorry over his comments, about refugee males sexually assaulting women and girls, and he has the right to bring this up, because are country having an open door border, will put the female population of all ages at risk, in the paper today, a 14 year old girl, was sexually assaulted by 4 syrian men in a park, and the more we let in, the more it will spark the fire for race riots all over the country, it will make the 2011 riots look like a pub brawl, that's what he is trying to say,

[_Tom_]

He was a disgrace, so out of his depth and behaved like a petulant child. A national embarrassment - and also a liar:

741239113085517824

"No, no, no, I didn't say join the Euro"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1736151.stm

[the truth]

so hes a liar as well as a sanctimonious hypocrticial nauseating arrogant deluded twat

[billy123]

You only have to look at the political persuasion of those being abusive about Eddie to see that their opinion has very little credibility and is based only on the fact that he holds different political beliefs to them.
Pretty childish really. He must of touched a raw nerve and uncovered a few insecurities judging by some of the comments in this thread.

[user104658]

Nice first post NOT.

YAS! I loved the 90's :flutter:

You only have to look at the political persuasion of those being abusive about Eddie to see that their opinion has very little credibility and is based only on the fact that he holds different political beliefs to them.
Pretty childish really. He must of touched a raw nerve and uncovered a few insecurities judging by some of the comments in this thread.

That combined with the increasingly standard BS position that "only politicians should be taken seriously talking about politics", "only lawyers can talk about the law", "only doctors can talk about health", "only gardeners can talk about plants".

People really like the idea of others staying in their prescribed boxes, I think. Well... as you say... that's the case if they happen to disagree with what they have to say. If they agree then the person who said it suddenly becomes a magnificent expert and the :clap1: smilies come into play.

[the truth]

he was ignorant and rude as hell simple as that

[Suze]

i've never liked Izzard, so I'm just not interested in anything he has to say, whether he agrees with me on the EU or not.

Same here.

[empire]

eddie izzard fails to understand, that every british politican does nothing for the ordinary brit, and that eveytime they bring up housing, jobs, and other things, they are dismissed, as intolerant, or lied to, by slimy mps, and councillors, who are only there to fill their pockets, I feel that eddie will never listen to the ordinary in the street, who suffer because of what the EU has done to this country, the younger generation have no future in this country.

[the truth]

hes a liar too, this idiot izzard was demanding we drop the pound and join the euro in 2001 and accused anyone who didnt agree of being a xenophobic little englander , no doubt hinting at being racist with the usual reverse racism accusations, what a twat. he also denied this on question time which was a big fat lie. heres the proof hes a liar...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1736151.stm and here he denies ever saying it...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3634814/Shut-Ranting-Eddie-Izzard-slapped-Question-Time-audience-accuses-Nigel-Farage-betraying-immigrant-roots-call-Brexit.html he thinks hes a genius progressive person because he does **** stand up in 2 languages and wants a one world government where who hold hands singing the european anthem. one world government means the one percent control the whole planet, twat

[empire]

eddie should see what happened, to russell brand when he tried to play the voters minds, by saying don't vote, and a few days before the election, he said on youtube, to vote for labour, and people caught on in his phoney bullsh't, and now we don't see him on tv, debating about the eu remain or exit vote, I mean eddie going on about helping 7 billion people, in some wishy washy way, like the way corbyn tells the working class that he really care's about them.

[Kizzy]

eddie should see what happened, to russell brand when he tried to play the voters minds, by saying don't vote, and a few days before the election, he said on youtube, to vote for labour, and people caught on in his phoney bullsh't, and now we don't see him on tv, debating about the eu remain or exit vote, I mean eddie going on about helping 7 billion people, in some wishy washy way, like the way corbyn tells the working class that he really care's about them.

So who does care about the working class? (serious question)

[Johnnyuk123]

I agree 100% Corbyn doesn't give a toss about the working class.

http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/c/c5/Patriometer.gif

[the truth]

So who does care about the working class? (serious question)

no one. europe is a massive corporate takeoever of all small busiensses and public services. the goal of free movement was never discussed in any manifesto it was forced upon the masses to drive down wages across europe.....many uk jobs are advertised in foreign nations only in order to get cheap labour, even if they pay minimum wage they simply deduct exorbitant rents and transport from the workers. its a corporate carve up it really is as plain on the nose on my face

[Kizzy]

Oh right because I thought the whole reasoning behind Corbyns decision to remain focused on workers rights?...
What have any other politician had to say regarding those? I haven't heard anyone else mention them to be honest.

[the truth]

Oh right because I thought the whole reasoning behind Corbyns decision to remain focused on workers rights?...
What have any other politician had to say regarding those? I haven't heard anyone else mention them to be honest.

he talks about it thats all, what use is that? hes voted in as a man for the workers and for nationalisation and anti eu, then in power he immediately does a massive flip flop and now after 39 years of being anti eu, he suddenly fully supports the pro corporation eu? its amazing. the guy has let everyone down

[Kizzy]

He has explained his concerns regarding TTIP and the retention of workers rights, what is bojos explanation for flip flopping?

[the truth]

He has explained his concerns regarding TTIP and the retention of workers rights, what is bojos explanation for flip flopping?

he has barley mentioned ttip or corporate corruption or the unelected commission or the neo liberal takeover. corbyn has bottled everything

[Kizzy]

he has barley mentioned ttip or corporate corruption or the unelected commission or the neo liberal takeover. corbyn has bottled everything

yep he's mentioned it at every interview.

[the truth]

yep he's mentioned it at every interview.

no he hasnt ....hes deflected and blamed everything on the tories austerity....hes bene pitifully vague and weak and totally contradicted his so called lifelong anti eu elitist stance

[Kizzy]

He has, post me an interview where he hasn't. Austerity is a totally separate debate to the EU.

[Johnnyuk123]

Corbyn has spent the best part of 40 years wanting out of the EU and now he does a complete U turn and wants to remain in the EU.:shrug: Not exactly the kind of person you want in charge of the country is it.:joker:

[Kizzy]

Corbyn has spent the best part of 40 years wanting out of the EU and now he does a complete U turn and wants to remain in the EU.:shrug: Not exactly the kind of person you want in charge of the country is it.:joker:

Well yes he has been honest and very frank about his reasonings behind his misgivings namely TTIP.
What are bojos reasons for his change of heart he was firmly for remain a couple of years ago, now he wants us to be like America and pay for the privilege of trading with the EU :/

[empire]

nigel farage is attacked for telling the truth, and he has been telling that truth for a number of years, the hypocrisy of attacking his poster is a very big cheap shot, when the remain poster of a seesaw, with a white person, stereotyped as a skinhead thug, attacking an ethnic minority, offends me, as a white working class lad, because the liberal left think that they can take me for granted, and the sheer arrogance of there snobbery, and refuse to listen to us, eddie and corbyn think that the ordinary brit must suffer the hardships of there arrogant ideologies, calling people who want out of the EUSSR little englanders and racists just shows how petty they are.

[joeysteele]

Well yes he has been honest and very frank about his reasonings behind his misgivings namely TTIP.
What are bojos reasons for his change of heart he was firmly for remain a couple of years ago, now he wants us to be like America and pay for the privilege of trading with the EU :/

Boris Johnson was even also a strong advocate for Turkey becoming part of the EU, there's even a video of him strongly saying that on you tube.

The point is, a great number of people once really thinking about it are changing their minds.
I have come across loads who voted in in 1975,who are now voting out this time, and the same vice versa.

Once you analyse any situation and have to come to a decision, then you do weigh all up and then declare your new position,which may or may not be different from your previous one.

Corbyn is at best lukewarm to the EU, and on some issues as to the EU so am I.
However like David Cameron, Corbyn has looked at out seriously and has likely not liked what was the picture of that result overall.
He stresses every time he speaks that the EU has to be reformed and he outlines the things he would like the EU to develop into with the UK still in it now.

Very few expected Boris Johnson to come down on the out side,it was widely expected he preferred in, from all he has said before.
Unlike any of the other Politicians,it is in effect Boris who is the hypocrite and false on this issue.
As I have no doubt and even a good number of those in the Conservative party, feel that had Cameron come down on the out side, Boris would now be campaigning to remain in.

Boris just wants to oust the PM in my view and he got the shock of his life, as most did, when Cameron got an overall majority in May last year.
So now Boris is using this EU referendum to further his own ambitions against Cameron,I have really no doubt as to that.

[the truth]

Boris Johnson was even also a strong advocate for Turkey becoming part of the EU, there's even a video of him strongly saying that on you tube.

The point is, a great number of people once really thinking about it are changing their minds.
I have come across loads who voted in in 1975,who are now voting out this time, and the same vice versa.

Once you analyse any situation and have to come to a decision, then you do weigh all up and then declare your new position,which may or may not be different from your previous one.

Corbyn is at best lukewarm to the EU, and on some issues as to the EU so am I.
However like David Cameron, Corbyn has looked at out seriously and has likely not liked what was the picture of that result overall.
He stresses every time he speaks that the EU has to be reformed and he outlines the things he would like the EU to develop into with the UK still in it now.

Very few expected Boris Johnson to come down on the out side,it was widely expected he preferred in, from all he has said before.
Unlike any of the other Politicians,it is in effect Boris who is the hypocrite and false on this issue.
As I have no doubt and even a good number of those in the Conservatives party, feel that had Cameron come down on the out side, Boris would now be campaigning to remain in.

Boris just wants to oust the PM in my view and he got the shock of his life, as most did, when Cameron got an overall majority in May last year.
So now Boris is using this EU referendum to further his own ambitions against Cameron,I have really no doubt as to that.

corbyn is a coward and a turncoat, he has simply gone against everything he claims to have stood for and sold europe out to the ensuing corporate takeover, the details of which Ive already outlined to you many many times. Boris johnson is irrelevant. hes not leader of any party. IF he goes for leadership then we will thoroughly examine his entire career and credentials. corbyns uturn is the most shocking Ive ever witnessed in my whole life studying politics.

[Kizzy]

If anyone were to say they were 100% for or 100% against they would be lying, there are good aspects and bad aspects of being in the EU.
With Labour in charge he may well have advocated leave, yet with the tories in power can they be trusted to take us out and keep our rights in place?... I don't think they can, maybe Mr Corbyn can't either that's why he would rather remain.

[the truth]

If anyone were to say they were 100% for or 100% against they would be lying, there are good aspects and bad aspects of being in the EU.
With Labour in charge he may well have advocated leave, yet with the tories in power can they be trusted to take us out and keep our rights in place?... I don't think they can, maybe Mr Corbyn can't either that's why he would rather remain.

everyone has pretty much gone for 100% on all sides. corbyn hasnt outlined what and how he wants to change the eu and how long it will take, hes barely touched on wages being held down, neo liberalism, , gangmasters ,corporate corruption, obamasa threat, the bankrupt nations across europe, the fact the eu hand picked and replaced the italian government without an election, all time world record levels of unemploment across the eu, the scaremongering that happened with the euro which was a failure, the fishing, the mining costs, the threat of ttip and the eu deal to all our public services and the nhs, uber? the fact eu commissioners leave to join massive corporations theyve just finished regulating for? insider trading, vested interests? the fact the uk has created more jobs in 6 years than the rest of the eu put together? sharia law? the massive rise in sexual assaults on women as immigration rises? the fact the 99.9% of them are young fit men not women and children or disabled? uk jobs advertisied only abroad by gangmasters, illegal immigration, terrorism,

the man is a joke , a spineless charlatan

[Kizzy]

everyone has pretty much gone for 100% on all sides. corbyn hasnt outlined what and how he wants to change the eu and how long it will take, hes barely touched on wages being held down, neo liberalism, , gangmasters ,corporate corruption, obamasa threat, the bankrupt nations across europe, the fact the eu hand picked and replaced the italian government without an election, all time world record levels of unemploment across the eu, the scaremongering that happened with the euro which was a failure, the fishing, the mining costs, the threat of ttip and the eu deal to all our public services and the nhs, uber? the fact eu commissioners leave to join massive corporations theyve just finished regulating for? insider trading, vested interests? the fact the uk has created more jobs in 6 years than the rest of the eu put together? sharia law? the massive rise in sexual assaults on women as immigration rises? the fact the 99.9% of them are young fit men not women and children or disabled? uk jobs advertisied only abroad by gangmasters, illegal immigration, terrorism,

the man is a joke , a spineless charlatan

So basically you want him to express how he is going to change the world? While those in power just carry on dismantling what it has taken the blood sweat and tears of hundreds of thousands to build... yeah it's not going to happen, that's not spineless it's just fact.

[the truth]

So basically you want him to express how he is going to change the world? While those in power just carry on dismantling what it has taken the blood sweat and tears of hundreds of thousands to build... yeah it's not going to happen, that's not spineless it's just fact.

ah the old straw man argument, totally misrepresenting everything I just said and putting false words in my mouth, shame on you:nono:

[joeysteele]

So basically you want him to express how he is going to change the world? While those in power just carry on dismantling what it has taken the blood sweat and tears of hundreds of thousands to build... yeah it's not going to happen, that's not spineless it's just fact.

I have stopped most things EU referendum related,campaigning,leafleting, after the horrific events of Thursday last week.

I do have to say however, I am disappointed a little with Corbyn really myself, he has just not got behind the 'remain' campaign enough for me and a great number of Labour activists and MPs do feel he would be probably be just as happy if the UK voted to leave the EU.

However I also accept with any leadership comes responsibility too and often your own principles and feelings have to be set aside when leading a party.
Few leaders and PMs got all their own way once in place as leader or PM.

However Corbyn did today and has over the weeks, said much of how he would like the EU reformed.
More workers rights, better pay and conditions in the poorer EU Nations.
He believes that secured in the poorer EU Nations would greatly assist as to the movement of EU citizens.
More in the way of a social Europe with more social democracy
He was really honest this morning in saying little can be done as to EU immigration while there is free movement.
So he presented the above as part of the solution as to that.
Make the conditions better in the poorer EU Nations and then less will likely want to come to the UK from those Countries.

However Corbyn aside, I really think the 'leave' side will be disappointed even if we leave, as I really believe whoever it is negotiating for the UK, will in the end still accept the free movement of EU citizens anyway to get the best of deals possible with the EU.

I do really hope Corbyn is better prepared for his evening with young voters this week on the EU, and that hopefully he will clarify more as to how he would set out to get the changes he wants in Europe too.

I do also however agree with 'the truth' in that to me too, it does appear that Corbyn would far more prefer to be able to be much more critical of the EU than he is being.
He is definitely uncomfortable in this role of having to be a leading part of the'remain' campaign.