Batley MP Jo Cox killed in shooting

[Shaun]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

Only just breaking so no real details on the BBC yet

An MP is in a critical condition after suffering serious injuries in an apparent shooting and stabbing attack in her constituency.

Unconfirmed reports suggest Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, was shot and stabbed. A man also suffered slight injuries.

A 52-year-old man was arrested near Market Street, Birstall, West Yorkshire Police said.

The MP was taken by air ambulance to Leeds General Infirmary.

Armed police are outside the hospital.

It is understood the MP was holding a surgery at Birstall Library before the attack.

An eyewitness said the 41-year-old mother of two was left lying and bleeding on the pavement after the incident.

Eyewitness Hithem Ben Abdallah, 56, was in a cafe next door to the library shortly after 1pm when he heard screaming and went outside.

"There was a guy who was being very brave and another guy with a white baseball cap who he was trying to control and the man in the baseball cap suddenly pulled a gun from his bag".

After a brief scuffle, he said the man stepped back and the MP became involved.

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[ThriceShy]

I'm saying nothing but I know what it will turn out to be, especially in west yorkshire.

What a dreadful country this is becoming.

[Firewire]

I'm saying nothing but I know what it will turn out to be, especially in west yorkshire.

What a dreadful country this is becoming.

Move then? No one is asking you to stay here

[DemolitionRed]

Just got this message on my phone :(

[ThriceShy]

Move then? No one is asking you to stay here


Couldn't we just sort out the country's problems?

What a cowardly piece of filth this is. To turn up a woman's MP surgery and shoot and stab her. Hope they get him alive and he spends his entire life in jail.

[Firewire]

Couldn't we just sort out the country's problems?

What a cowardly piece of filth this is. To turn up a woman's MP surgery and shoot and stab her. Hope they get him alive and he spends his entire life in jail.

Actually if you would read the news she wasn't actually the target, she was caught in the crossfire

[Firewire]

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[hijaxers]

Critical condition - not good at all , at least they have arrested a man.

[ThriceShy]

Witness says she was stabbed, then kicked while on the ground and then shot twice!

What kind of utter twat would do that?

[DemolitionRed]

Eyewitness Hithem Ben Abdallah, 56, was in a cafe next door to the library shortly after 1pm when he heard screaming and went outside.

"There was a guy who was being very brave and another guy with a white baseball cap who he was trying to control and the man in the baseball cap suddenly pulled a gun from his bag".

After a brief scuffle, he said the man stepped back and the MP became involved.

Mr Abdallah said the weapon had "looked handmade" and a man who had been wrestling with the gunman continued even after seeing the gun.

He said: "The man stepped back with the gun and fired it and then he fired a second shot, as he was firing he was looking down at the ground."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304

Who did you think it would turn out to be Thrice?

[ThriceShy]

Eyewitness Hithem Ben Abdallah, 56, was in a cafe next door to the library shortly after 1pm when he heard screaming and went outside.

"There was a guy who was being very brave and another guy with a white baseball cap who he was trying to control and the man in the baseball cap suddenly pulled a gun from his bag".

After a brief scuffle, he said the man stepped back and the MP became involved.

Mr Abdallah said the weapon had "looked handmade" and a man who had been wrestling with the gunman continued even after seeing the gun.

He said: "The man stepped back with the gun and fired it and then he fired a second shot, as he was firing he was looking down at the ground."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304

Who did you think it would turn out to be Thrice?


I knew it was targeted at the MP. It was too much of a coincidence.


I have suspected for a while there would be an incident aimed at derailing the Brexit campaign and it looks like this is it.

[Cherie]

I knew it was targeted at the MP. It was too much of a coincidence.


I have suspected for a while there would be an incident aimed at derailing the Brexit campaign and it looks like this is it.


How would this derail it :shrug:

[Braden]

I really hope she recovers. My thoughts are with her.

[arista]

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Yes another MP
who knows her ,
was speaking on CNN
said maybe she got in the middle
of something going on.

[ThriceShy]

Yes another MP
who knows her ,
was speaking on CNN
said maybe she got in the middle
of something going on.

That can't be true. She was shot and stabbed and kicked.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/16/471910/default/v2/13227063-1210192725671035-7832116040324718153-n-1-736x414.jpg
I hope they can save her.

http://news.sky.com/story/1712952/live-mp-jo-cox-critical-after-being-shot

[arista]

That can't be true. She was shot and stabbed and kicked.

That sounds terrible

[arista]

A 52 year Old Man arrested.

[_Tom_]

Harrowing stuff, I hope she recovers speedily. :(

[joeysteele]

Absolutely shocking.
Really hope she gets through this.

[Pete.]

This is awful :(

[Samm]

Hope she's alright :(

[Daniel-X]

This is absolutely terrible :(

[ThriceShy]

She has died.

[Pete.]

She's passed away :sad:

[Daniel-X]

That's awful news. The world is at a state atm. Christina Grimmie, Orlanda shootings and now this all in less than a week.

[erinp5]

The Labour MP Jo Cox has died after being shot and stabbed multiple times after a constituency meeting.

Armed officers responded to the attack near a library in Birstall, West Yorkshire, on Thursday afternoon. A 52-year-old man was arrested in the area, police confirmed. The suspect was named locally as Tommy Mair.


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[Jack_]

My heart just sank. This is absolutely dreadful :(

[MB.]

RIP Jo Cox :( Absolutely devastating news, especially for her family

[zakman440]

So sad to hear about this :(

[arista]

Yes it seems such a Evil Rage Attack has Killed her.


She was a new MP
lived on a house boat
2 kids and husband

http://news.sky.com/story/1713039/labour-mp-jo-cox-dies-after-shot-and-stabbed

[joeysteele]

Tragic, makes you feel sick.
R.I.P.

[_Tom_]

Awful awful news, RIP :(

[ThriceShy]

Very sad. Looking at the history of the attacker online it seems he was well known as a local loner with mental health issues.

[hijaxers]

This is so shocking , all our deepest sympathy to her family , so very very sad.

[Jack_]

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[arista]

Tragic, makes you feel sick.
R.I.P.



yes so tragic

[Nicky91]

RIP Jo Cox :( :(

[Nick.]

Really sad. :( Thoughts are with her husband and kids. :(

[Braden]

RIP :(

[Cherie]

Awful news

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's awful news. The world is at a state atm. Christina Grimmie, Orlanda shootings and now this all in less than a week.

there are 6 billion people in the world

[Walter White]

there are 6 billion people in the world

About 7.4 billion actually.

[Mitchell]

Absolutely disgusting :( the poor kids having to grow up without their mum because some knobhead decided to take her life away from her, hope the idiot goes away for a very long time.

[Kazanne]

That is so sad,poor woman,thoughts to her family.

[DemolitionRed]

My deepest condolences to Jo's family.

[Mitchell]

there are 6 billion people in the world

What difference does that make? There's still been 50 odd too many people robbed of their life by sick individuals in the past week.

[Crimson Dynamo]

About 7.4 billion actually.

yes sorry, you are correct

[LaLaLand]

The world is such a scary place, I just can't comprehend this at all.

R.I.P. Jo.

[Amy Jade]

Utterly tragic, her poor family :(

[Crimson Dynamo]

What difference does that make? There's still been 50 odd too many people robbed of their life by sick individuals in the past week.

That is incorrect. Around 8,400 people are murdered every week worldwide

Obviously due to the hierarchy of death and locality we only hear of a tiny fraction

(figure is from 2012)

Source: UNODC

[Wizard.]

I hate to bring it up but everything comes in 3's and I predicted a 3rd shooting. RIP Jo Cox, I just know people are going to use her murder as a tool for political gain which is disgusting this referendum has gotten out of hand and I blame the politicians for dividing the country.

[Ammi]

..as well as her MP role, she had done much international charity work and campaigning...



...May She Rest In Peace...:love:..

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hate to bring it up but everything comes in 3's and I predicted a 3rd shooting. RIP Jo Cox, I just know people are going to use her murder as a tool for political gain which is disgusting this referendum has gotten out of hand and I blame the politicians for dividing the country.

again incorrect as hundreds of people were shot today

[jaxie]

Absolutely shocking, so sorry for her family.

[Mitchell]

That is incorrect. Around 8,400 people are murdered every week worldwide

Obviously due to the hierarchy of death and locality we only hear of a tiny fraction

(figure is from 2012)

Source: UNODC

Yes, but what does the '6 billion people in the world' have to do with the fact that in the past week we've lost a popular musician and someone else in the public eye, unfortunately yes there's a lot more not in the press, but it doesn't mean we can't grieve for those that are.

[Walter White]

I hate to bring it up but everything comes in 3's and I predicted a 3rd shooting. RIP Jo Cox, I just know people are going to use her murder as a tool for political gain which is disgusting this referendum has gotten out of hand and I blame the politicians for dividing the country.

Sorry but that's just bollocks.

Why Do We Believe That Catastrophes Come in Threes? (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WhosCounting/story?id=7988416&page=1)

[Wizard.]

Okay stop hating on me seriously a women died why don't you go and live yours?

[smudgie]

My heart weeps for Jo and her family.
Such an awful tragedy.
May she rest in peace.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes, but what does the '6 billion people in the world' have to do with the fact that in the past week we've lost a popular musician and someone else in the public eye, unfortunately yes there's a lot more not in the press, but it doesn't mean we can't grieve for those that are.

No it does not and its not a competition but we must try and keep a perspective on life and death otherwise we will not move forward as a race.

As a father I feel for her husband and the hard times he has ahead, no one would wish that on anyone.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

"As they work out his state of mind" oh here we bloody go.


RIP to the poor woman.

[ThriceShy]

"As they work out his state of mind" oh here we bloody go.


RIP to the poor woman.

He was known to be mentally ill. There is an article from a few years ago describing how he was helping out as a volunteer to help with his long term mental illness.

[Smithy]

I'm saying nothing but I know what it will turn out to be, especially in west yorkshire.



Very very interested as to what this was originally implying

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/16/18/355BE3EA00000578-3644847-Two_hours_after_her_death_Ms_Cox_s_heartbroken_hus band_Brendan_t-m-23_1466099097842.jpg
Her husband posted this

[ThriceShy]

Very very interested as to what this was originally implying

I knew it would be someone far right as they are very prevalent in west yorkshire due to the high immigrant population.

[joeysteele]

My heart weeps for Jo and her family.
Such an awful tragedy.
May she rest in peace.

Well said smudgie,it is a heartbreaking tragedy on the highest scale.

[DemolitionRed]

I knew it would be someone far right as they are very prevalent in west yorkshire due to the high immigrant population.

Why would you believe a far right guy would want to kill a white woman?

[user104658]

I knew it would be someone far right as they are very prevalent in west yorkshire due to the high immigrant population.

Not sure if you think people are actually going to buy this, or you're just going for plausible deniability.

[MTVN]

Just so incomprehensible, what a pointless loss

[ThriceShy]

Why would you believe a far right guy would want to kill a white woman?

Because she campaigns for immigrants rights and is a prominent Remain campaigner in the EU referendum.

[ThriceShy]

Not sure if you think people are actually going to buy this, or you're just going for plausible deniability.

What else could I have meant?

[the truth]

cant find anything positive to say from this complete and utter tragedy. a lovely person a mother and wife and daughter living a very productive life. I cant find any poisitves, I suppose you could say she lived her life to the full doing what she believed in. but what an horrific loss, rip and all my thoughts and sympathies go to the family

[MTVN]

The i continues the Indy's tradition of strong front pages

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And people should always remember how decent and hard working our MPs are

[arista]

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[MB.]

Classy: the i front cover
Not so: the Metro front cover

[arista]

No Question Time
or "This Week
Tooting ByElection Special "

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[Jack_]

The campaign should be suspended until Monday as far as I'm concerned

And *sigh* I see the 'loner' crap has started again, how convenient

[joeysteele]

The campaign should be suspended until Monday as far as I'm concerned

And *sigh* I see the 'loner' crap has started again, how convenient

I've been told no campaigning is to be done until Saturday at least and that all sides have totally stopped their campaigns out of respect,I will not be returning to campaigning.

This is such a tragic event, I agree with you Jack_.

I helped for a day in Batley and Spen in May 2015.
This Lady was very special indeed,so warm and determined too.
Horrible news this today,just horrible.

[ThriceShy]

Why should the campaigning be stopped? I thought we didn't allow terrorism and hatred to affect us and stop us going about our lives. I bet Jo Cox would have wanted the campaign to go on.


There is something very suspicious about all this. Her funeral and birthday are the day before the vote and the media are absolutely hammering this supposed Britain First angle that the witnesses are now saying that he didn't even say.

[Ross.]

I still can't comprehend this, such a tragic event and it must be absolutely devastating for her family :(

RIP x

[Liberty4eva]

Sympathies for Jo Cox but something does seem fishy. I wouldn't put it past the establishment to sacrifice one of their own to help win a poll if you know what I mean. I am absolutely serious.

[joeysteele]

Why should the campaigning be stopped? I thought we didn't allow terrorism and hatred to affect us and stop us going about our lives. I bet Jo Cox would have wanted the campaign to go on.


There is something very suspicious about all this. Her funeral and birthday are the day before the vote and the media are absolutely hammering this supposed Britain First angle that the witnesses are now saying that he didn't even say.

The campaigning is stopped,immediately announced admirably and rightly, in my opinion,by the Home Secretary Theresa May as soon as Jo Cox's death was made known, both out of respect and also massive shock at what had been able to happen to Jo Cox.
So due respect for Jo and her family and shock too from both sides involved in the campaign.

Who also is to say that other MPs may now be at even greater risk than they were before.
Something else that needs looking at too.

Come on, a 41 year old woman with a husband and 2 children,just doing her work,gets shot, stabbed and left to die in the street.
How bad do things have to get.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The campaign should be suspended until Monday as far as I'm concerned

And *sigh* I see the 'loner' crap has started again, how convenient

Why, do you think the perp had a great social life and plenty of pals?

[Smithy]

There is something very suspicious about all this. Her funeral and birthday are the day before the vote and the media are absolutely hammering this supposed Britain First angle that the witnesses are now saying that he didn't even say.

:umm2:

[DemolitionRed]

Sympathies for Jo Cox but something does seem fishy. I wouldn't put it past the establishment to sacrifice one of their own to help win a poll if you know what I mean. I am absolutely serious.

It seems there is a lot of people who believe Jo could of been sacrificed for pro-EU forces.

[joeysteele]

It seems there is a lot of people who believe Jo could of been sacrificed for pro-EU forces.

I haven't found that,all I am finding is genuine sadness and massive real shock from across all I know, in other parties too.
My Conservative friends, even on an opposing side to me, are all feeling the same.

I really would hope after such a horrendous crime, no one reasoned has any such thoughts.
For me, unbelievable anyone would or even want to think that way.
Good grief,if you have come across that then wow, have some,a minority hopefully,in the UK really fallen that far down and away from, as to decency.

It doesn't,for me anyway, even bear thinking about what her Husband and wider family would make of that kind of talk anywhere or anytime after this horrific murder of their loved one.

[Niamh.]

Poor woman and her poor family :(

[GiRTh]

Terrible tragedy.

Are we seriously considering she may have been sacrificed? :shocked:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No

[GiRTh]

Ok It does seem a bit far fetched

[DemolitionRed]

I haven't found that,all I am finding is genuine sadness and massive real shock from across all I know, in other parties too.
My Conservative friends, even on an opposing side to me, are all feeling the same.

I really would hope after such a horrendous crime, no one reasoned has any such thoughts.
For me, unbelievable anyone would or even want to think that way.
Good grief,if you have come across that then wow, have some,a minority hopefully,in the UK really fallen that far down and away from, as to decency.

It doesn't,for me anyway, even bear thinking about what her Husband and wider family would make of that kind of talk anywhere or anytime after this horrific murder of their loved one.

I read about it this morning in The International Business Times. http://www.ibtimes.com/jo-cox-false-flag-conspiracy-theories-swirl-twitter-brexit-vote-looms-2383168

[joeysteele]

I read about it this morning in The International Business Times. http://www.ibtimes.com/jo-cox-false-flag-conspiracy-theories-swirl-twitter-brexit-vote-looms-2383168

If it even tries to indicate that,it's really sick, I am not going to give it any of my time.

I just hope her Husband and family don't see that but particularly her Children never have to see that anytime in the future.
Disgraceful in my view for it even to be thought of.

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/jo-cox-witness-says-no-one-shouted-britain-first-132375

[joeysteele]

I think I will wait for the Police accounts of what happened when they officially answer any.
They will know in the end,who said what, what was said and how relevant anything is too.

[arista]

The PM and Corbyn are Together Live now
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/17/472160/default/v1/cegrab-20160617-134958-137-1-736x414.jpg
http://news.sky.com/story/1713485/pm-and-corbyn-in-united-front-after-mps-death

United on this issue Only



Parliament is back on Monday
to pay respects etc

[joeysteele]

The PM and Corbyn are Together Live now
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/17/472160/default/v1/cegrab-20160617-134958-137-1-736x414.jpg
http://news.sky.com/story/1713485/pm-and-corbyn-in-united-front-after-mps-death

United on this issue Only



Parliament is back on Monday
to pay respects etc

I for one, am really pleased about that.

[chuff me dizzy]

Sympathies for Jo Cox but something does seem fishy. I wouldn't put it past the establishment to sacrifice one of their own to help win a poll if you know what I mean. I am absolutely serious.

They've done it before ... David Kelly to name but one

[Crimson Dynamo]

They've done it before ... David Kelly to name but one

Now that was a very fishy business

[ThriceShy]

No

Look at her career history and it is clear she was a spook anyway.

[joeysteele]

I still can't comprehend this, such a tragic event and it must be absolutely devastating for her family :(

RIP x

Neither can I, the more that is learned of her life and thinking too just makes it all the more tragic.
A tireless worker for all that was really right and good.

[DemolitionRed]

If it even tries to indicate that,it's really sick, I am not going to give it any of my time.

I just hope her Husband and family don't see that but particularly her Children never have to see that anytime in the future.
Disgraceful in my view for it even to be thought of.

Do you really think the International Business Times would suggest this?

It was the comments written by the general public after the article was published.

And you know why people are feeling uneasy. Its because an MP, Maria Eagle tweeted about how witnesses heard him shout 'Britain First'. That tweet has now been withdrawn but not before it went to every news and media channel. People are asking why an MP would make such a claim before anyone else. I mean, she wasn't there. She stated this before it started showing coverage or interviewing witnesses.

Maria Eagle wanted to use Jo's death, before her poor body had even gone cold, as some sort of point score in this political campaign. Its cold callous acts like this that have the conspiracy theorists getting hot behind the collar.

Personally I think she was attacked by a man who was suffering from dangerous mental issues, but for those who don't believe it was as straightforward as that, I don't for a moment believe their grief for Jo is any less than the rest of us.

The climate over Brexit is worse than anything I've ever politically witnessed because already the pro-Remain journalists and broadsheets, are suggesting her death is a consequence of Brexit campaigning.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Do you really think the International Business Times would suggest this?

It was the comments written by the general public after the article was published.

And you know why people are feeling uneasy. Its because an MP, Maria Eagle tweeted about how witnesses heard him shout 'Britain First'. That tweet has now been withdrawn but not before it went to every news and media channel. People are asking why an MP would make such a claim before anyone else. I mean, she wasn't there. She stated this before it started showing coverage or interviewing witnesses.

Maria Eagle wanted to use Jo's death, before her poor body had even gone cold, as some sort of point score in this political campaign. Its cold callous acts like this that have the conspiracy theorists getting hot behind the collar.

Personally I think she was attacked by a man who was suffering from dangerous mental issues, but for those who don't believe it was as straightforward as that, I don't for a moment believe their grief for Jo is any less than the rest of us.

The climate over Brexit is worse than anything I've ever politically witnessed because already the pro-Remain journalists and broadsheets, are suggesting her death is a consequence of Brexit campaigning.

She actually retweeted an article by a local news outlet. So no, she didn't make any claim whatsoever, she simply cited a legitimate news source which was making that claim.

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[DemolitionRed]

She actually retweeted an article by a local news outlet. So no, she didn't make any claim whatsoever, she simply cited a legitimate news source which was making that claim.

I have no idea. All I know is, this is what some people are saying. I'm glad you at least cleared that up for me though.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

I have no idea. All I know is, this is what some people are saying. I'm glad you at least cleared that up for me though.

Unfortunately that's the way these thing go- theories and rumours are thrown around online like they're facts before we know a thing about what happened. I do think, though, that the best thing is for people, especially public figures, to not say anything until we learn fully what went on.

[joeysteele]

Do you really think the International Business Times would suggest this?

It was the comments written by the general public after the article was published.

And you know why people are feeling uneasy. Its because an MP, Maria Eagle tweeted about how witnesses heard him shout 'Britain First'. That tweet has now been withdrawn but not before it went to every news and media channel. People are asking why an MP would make such a claim before anyone else. I mean, she wasn't there. She stated this before it started showing coverage or interviewing witnesses.

Maria Eagle wanted to use Jo's death, before her poor body had even gone cold, as some sort of point score in this political campaign. Its cold callous acts like this that have the conspiracy theorists getting hot behind the collar.

Personally I think she was attacked by a man who was suffering from dangerous mental issues, but for those who don't believe it was as straightforward as that, I don't for a moment believe their grief for Jo is any less than the rest of us.

The climate over Brexit is worse than anything I've ever politically witnessed because already the pro-Remain journalists and broadsheets, are suggesting her death is a consequence of Brexit campaigning.

People said on the news to reporters that it was heard that was shouted.

We do not know what is behind the attack on her,we need the Police to get to the bottom of that.
The tweet will have been withdrawn, in case it becomes relevant from the Police interviewing this man and as to the statements from any witnesses to then become evidence.

I have found universal condemnation of this barbaric murder and from supporters and representatives of all parties.
The Conservative party and UKIP too have apparently said they will not even contest the by election when it is held.

I am not going to speculate on this in any way until the Police tell us their findings and what then goes to court as evidence.
Until then we have no idea what the thinking was in this man's head as to this but it will come out I am sure after the Police are done with him.

I am not interested in any publication or anyone presenting this any other way than a brutal murder of an innocent by someone who planned the crime.
Also Jo was a Labour MP, the party has felt a massive earthquake got off with her murder and that has hit near all other parties too and their leaders and MPs.
In shock people say and do inappropriate things.

Honestly,let's hope her Husband never looks at this thread.
We know noting really until the Police are finished with this man and it may be we learn not that much until his trial.

I as a Labour member am only mourning Jo. all my thoughts are with her Husband and children.
Who have enough to cope with without some spouting speculation of this, that and the other.
The Police have witnesses, they have a man in custody,identified by witnesses as the man who went off after killing Jo.

We need to just let the Police do their job and then get back to the Nation on this,they'll have the witness statements, they will be learning for sure what was seen, who was seen and what was said.

[Cherie]

People said on the news to reporters that it was heard that was shouted.

We do not know what is behind the attack on her,we need the Police to get to the bottom of that.
The tweet will have been withdrawn, in case it becomes relevant from the Police interviewing this man and as to the statements from any witnesses to then become evidence.

I have found universal condemnation of this barbaric murder and from supporters and representatives of all parties.
The Conservative party and UKIP too have apparently said they will not even contest the by election when it is held.

I am not going to speculate on this in any way until the Police tell us their findings and what then goes to court as evidence.
Until then we have no idea what the thinking was in this man's head as to this but it will come out I am sure after the Police are done with him.

I am not interested in any publication or anyone presenting this any other way than a brutal murder of an innocent by someone who planned the crime.
Also Jo was a Labour MP, the party has felt a massive earthquake got off with her murder and that has hit near all other parties too and their leaders and MPs.
In shock people say and do inappropriate things.

Honestly,let's hope her Husband never looks at this thread.
We know noting really until the Police are finished with this man and it may be we learn not that much until his trial.

I as a Labour member am only mourning Jo. all my thoughts are with her Husband and children.
Who have enough to cope with without some spouting speculation of this, that and the other.
The Police have witnesses, they have a man in custody,identified by witnesses as the man who went off after killing Jo.

We need to just let the Police do their job and then get back to the Nation on this,they'll have the witness statements, they will be learning for sure what was seen, who was seen and what was said.


:clap1: Joey, speculation and conspiracy theories are in pretty poor taste at this time.

[DemolitionRed]

People said on the news to reporters that it was heard that was shouted.

We do not know what is behind the attack on her,we need the Police to get to the bottom of that.
The tweet will have been withdrawn, in case it becomes relevant from the Police interviewing this man and as to the statements from any witnesses to then become evidence.

I have found universal condemnation of this barbaric murder and from supporters and representatives of all parties.
The Conservative party and UKIP too have apparently said they will not even contest the by election when it is held.

I am not going to speculate on this in any way until the Police tell us their findings and what then goes to court as evidence.
Until then we have no idea what the thinking was in this man's head as to this but it will come out I am sure after the Police are done with him.

I am not interested in any publication or anyone presenting this any other way than a brutal murder of an innocent by someone who planned the crime.
Also Jo was a Labour MP, the party has felt a massive earthquake got off with her murder and that has hit near all other parties too and their leaders and MPs.
In shock people say and do inappropriate things.

Honestly,let's hope her Husband never looks at this thread.
We know noting really until the Police are finished with this man and it may be we learn not that much until his trial.

I as a Labour member am only mourning Jo. all my thoughts are with her Husband and children.
Who have enough to cope with without some spouting speculation of this, that and the other.
The Police have witnesses, they have a man in custody,identified by witnesses as the man who went off after killing Jo.

We need to just let the Police do their job and then get back to the Nation on this,they'll have the witness statements, they will be learning for sure what was seen, who was seen and what was said.

This thread is mild compared to many of the public comments written at the end of online report pages. Whilst you may not want to read such comments because they offend you, I always read the public comments of any article I've bothered to read because I like to get a wider view of public reaction.

I think conspiracy theorists can make a conspiracy out of anything. Sometimes they may be right but most of the time I suspect they're wrong. The ones who are most vocal are the investigative journalists that get a hunch something isn't quite right. I see nothing wrong with that providing it remains sensible and with provable evidence.

[arista]

The 52 year old killer
had mental problems
of the last 5 years had been working on parks and gardens
he had said Garden Work was better for his health.
Before that he was on Medication.
he is not a member of that Right Wing group
but appears to have bought nazi books from USA.


Ch5HD News

[chuff me dizzy]

Now that was a very fishy business

Wasn't it just !! it happened once, nothing to stop it happening again

[Marsh.]

Some DISGUSTING comments in this thread. Have some bloody respect.

[joeysteele]

I just feel and maybe it's me and I shouldn't, that this thread started with the news an MP had been shot,it then went on to after she tragically died.

I feel this thread is better used to express sadness, pay tribute to her life and allow those who wish to,to express their thoughts and sympathies for her Husband,her children and her wider family.

Not have it leading speculation as to conspiracy theories from journalists, publications or any other sources.
I say again,I will wait for the 'official' Police investigation to be completed.

I applaud all the political leaders and parties who have all come together and demonstrated their horror, shock and grief at this tragedy of a young promising life lost,followed by their concern only for her family and particularly her Husband and her 2 young children.

This was a truly beautiful thread for a while, as those who wished to came on to express that same shock, horror,grief at times and sympathy for her family did so.

I make not the slightest apology for wishing it had stayed on that beautiful track, as I believe the opening post and reason for the thread, was meant to be.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

He was known to be mentally ill. There is an article from a few years ago describing how he was helping out as a volunteer to help with his long term mental illness.

Yeah...I don't care. He was stable enough to be part of far right and was stable enough to learn how to create gun through American sources. And "Britain First" those should be the main talking points regarding not this man

[ThriceShy]

Yeah...I don't care. He was stable enough to be part of far right and was stable enough to learn how to create gun through American sources. And "Britain First" those should be the main talking points regarding not this man

Where is the evidence that he said "Britain First"?

And what if he is right wing? Are you saying his behaviour reflects on all members of the right?

[ThriceShy]

Some DISGUSTING comments in this thread. Have some bloody respect.

Which comments have been disgusting?

[AnnieK]

Absolute tragic waste of a life....A daughter...mother...sister...friend etc. Thoughts are with those who knew her. Don't give a **** who did it....or why. Knowing won't bring her back.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Where is the evidence that he said "Britain First"?

And what if he is right wing? Are you saying his behaviour reflects on all members of the right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3646408/Gas-fitter-insists-Jo-Cox-killer-DID-shout-Britain-shot-MP-Testimony-closest-witness-murder-provides-compelling-account-death.html

Nah his behaviour doesn't reflect all of the members behaviours but his beliefs does provide him with motive to stab Jo Cox. He was stable enough to make the decision to stab and stable enough to do research for gun, and to join groups. In America this would be first degree murder. He probably will get a less harsh sentence here.

[ThriceShy]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3646408/Gas-fitter-insists-Jo-Cox-killer-DID-shout-Britain-shot-MP-Testimony-closest-witness-murder-provides-compelling-account-death.html

Nah his behaviour doesn't reflect all of the members behaviours but his beliefs does provide him with motive to stab Jo Cox. He was stable enough to make the decision to stab and stable enough to do research for gun, and to join groups. In America this would be first degree murder. He probably will get a less harsh sentence here.

He was totally deranged. Even the most ardent right wingers don't shoot a woman 3 times and then stab her 6 times with a foot long knife.

Those are not the actions of a stable person. We know he had long term mental illness.

[the truth]

she made a great speech here, got me quite emotional, she was idealistic, determined, clear thinking well read down to earth and she lived on a barge which imo is pretty rock and roll. she was absolutely beautiful too with a wonderfully fit vibrant body. Shed worked with obama in america for a while too yet still she dared criticizing his syrian debacle. great person, enormous loss

[DemolitionRed]

I saw a video today that was filmed a few weeks ago. It was a flotilla going up the Thames with Bob Geldof shouting at Farage through a loud speaker.

The sad thing was, Jo was there on her small motorboat waving a flag. She looked so happy.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

He was totally deranged. Even the most ardent right wingers don't shoot a woman 3 times and then stab her 6 times with a foot long knife.

Those are not the actions of a stable person. We know he had long term mental illness.

Shouting Britain first, shows someone conscious enough about what's making them angry and shooting then stabbing shows the level of anger, not insanity. Believe it or not plenty of people have gone to prison for shooting or stabbing more than they needed to due to anger, not insanity.

[ThriceShy]

Shouting Britain first, shows someone conscious enough about what's making them angry and shooting then stabbing shows the level of anger, not insanity. Believe it or not plenty of people have gone to prison for shooting or stabbing more than they needed to due to anger, not insanity.

Who cares what his motive was?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Who cares what his motive was?

Family, friends and a good portion of the public

[ThriceShy]

Family, friends and a good portion of the public

So what is the next step? If we find out he was a right wing extremist, what happens then? We know he is going to prison for the rest of his life anyway.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

So what is the next step? If we find out he was a right wing extremist, what happens then? We know he is going to prison for the rest of his life anyway.

Keep a close eye on the Britain first groups. This is how terrorist organisations start-when they oppose certain politics. He could be the first of many ready to explore. Who knows maybe here planning something big if we vote to stay.

[ThriceShy]

Keep a close eye on the Britain first groups. This is how terrorist organisations start-when they oppose certain politics. He could be the first of many ready to explore. Who knows maybe here planning something big if we vote to stay.

Latest news seems to be that he sought help for his mental problems on the night before the murder. He was turned away and told to make an appointment and come back the next day.:shocked:

That is the real scandal about this. For the left to try and use this to score political points is absolutely despicable.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Latest news seems to be that he sought help for his mental problems on the night before the murder. He was turned away and told to make an appointment and come back the next day.:shocked:

That is the real scandal about this. For the left to try and use this to score political points is absolutely despicable.

Or he carefully planned his appointment to be the night before so that he could back up his mental illness argument. Anyways, the authorities deemed him stable enough to interrogate.

[Tozzie]

Where is the evidence that he said "Britain First"?



Apparently one man said he shouted Britain First.............I am friends with someone who was present at the shooting/stabbing and they have stated he did not shout Britain First. Could it be someone is trying to make a political issue out of Jo's killing? I hope to god not because that would be despicable and disrespectful to Jo's memory. One can only hope the truth comes out. It is easy to speculate but not so easy to prove

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/17/472171/default/v3/12318067-1-1-736x414.jpg
United over her Murder
[Standing alongside the PM, Mr Corbyn
said: "Jo was brutally murdered here 24 hours
ago in this town - a town she loved, a town
she grew up in, serving a
community she loved.]


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/17/472049/default/v1/cegrab-20160617-081215-0-1-736x414.jpg
and at her house boat


The 52 year Killer has now been Charged
http://news.sky.com/story/1713711/thomas-mair-charged-with-murdering-mp-jo-cox

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/17/472257/default/v1/ft-1-992x558.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/17/472262/default/v1/mail-1-992x558.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/17/472260/default/v1/mirror-1-992x558.jpg

[Ammi]

Barack Obama has called the husband of Jo Cox to offer condolences on behalf of the American people, the White House has said.

The President, who is on a tour of several US national parks with his family, spoke on the phone with Brendan Cox while he was travelling on Air Force One.

The White House said in a statement: "President Obama offered his sincere condolences on behalf of the American people to Mr Cox and his two young children, as well as to her friends, colleagues and constituents.

"The President noted that the world is a better place because of her selfless service to others, and that there can be no justification for this heinous crime, which robbed a family, a community, and a nation of a dedicated wife, mother, and public servant."

[joeysteele]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/17/472257/default/v1/ft-1-992x558.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/17/472262/default/v1/mail-1-992x558.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/17/472260/default/v1/mirror-1-992x558.jpg


How really sad it is that it has taken a brutal unnecessary and cold blooded murder of this fantastic woman to bring out the very best, that is in near all of them,of Politicians in all parties.

You know to prepare to stab someone and also shoot them,knowing where they would be at a set time shows to me, careful planing of this barbaric murder.

It is still so hard to get my head around this tragic loss of a great person and life.
Someone who was selfless and prepared to fight for all she believed to be right.

If all Politicians were in fact even just a little more like Jo, what a great Parliament we would then for sure really have.
What her family must be feeling and going through now must be torture.

What an example she has proven herself to be.
I cannot comprehend why such horrible and truly vile things happen to really good people.

[arista]

Barack Obama has called the husband of Jo Cox to offer condolences on behalf of the American people, the White House has said.

The President, who is on a tour of several US national parks with his family, spoke on the phone with Brendan Cox while he was travelling on Air Force One.

The White House said in a statement: "President Obama offered his sincere condolences on behalf of the American people to Mr Cox and his two young children, as well as to her friends, colleagues and constituents.

"The President noted that the world is a better place because of her selfless service to others, and that there can be no justification for this heinous crime, which robbed a family, a community, and a nation of a dedicated wife, mother, and public servant."

Thats Nice of him

[joeysteele]

Apparently one man said he shouted Britain First.............I am friends with someone who was present at the shooting/stabbing and they have stated he did not shout Britain First. Could it be someone is trying to make a political issue out of Jo's killing? I hope to god not because that would be despicable and disrespectful to Jo's memory. One can only hope the truth comes out. It is easy to speculate but not so easy to prove

I wasn't there too but will wait for what the Police have as on record as to statements from others there.

Whatever he may or may not have said, very revealing, for me anyway,is the name he gave in that Court as to himself in Court today, which was astonishingly 'death to traitors and freedom for Britain'.

Just for me, from where I see things,that seems to fit in too strongly with what was originally reported, as to what may have been said at the time of this horrific, brutal murder of this truly decent innocent woman and MP..

[bots]

I wasn't there too but will wait for what the Police have as on record as to statements from others there.

Whatever he may or may not have said, very revealing, for me anyway,is the name he gave in that Court as to himself in Court today, which was astonishingly 'death to traitors and freedom for Britain'.

Just for me, from where I see things,that seems to fit in too strongly with what was originally reported, as to what may have been said at the time of this horrific, brutal murder of this truly decent innocent woman and MP..

in his court appearance he said his name was "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain"

I think that makes things clear ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36567005

[joeysteele]

in his court appearance he said his name was "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain"

I think that makes things clear ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36567005

Very clear to me too.
Indefensible in my view with clearly no signs at all of any remorse either.

Sick,really sick, I am so angry at this loss of life of a decent person by the likes of him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i had never heard of her until that nutjob killed her

[Alf]

QtDKfd-pEGw

[Shaun]

This world is so ****ing depressing. Trying to score points either way off her death.

[Alf]

This world is so ****ing depressing. Trying to score points either way off her death.Of course it's depressing, we're currently living under a tyrannical dictatorship called the European Union, what do you expect?

The rise of far-left and far-right groups and hatred comes from a lack of democracy. Get out or get used to it.

[joeysteele]

Just my view but I do not personally think this thread now needs to be taken down the road into another EU thread.

Jo's position was very clear on that issue and in light of that and much moreso of her horrific murder,I think respect for her Family and her tragic loss of life should override the temptation to stir up any divisions further or try to make points on that issue.

[Alf]

Just my view but I do not personally think this thread now needs to be taken down the road into another EU thread.

Jo's position was very clear on that issue and in light of that and much moreso of her horrific murder,I think respect for her Family and her tragic loss of life should override the temptation to stir up any divisions further or try to make points on that issue.I

[_Tom_]

QtDKfd-pEGw

Utterly disgraceful how the media and many Remainers have exploited this senseless tragedy to bash their political opponents - and before the body was even cold. Those using death for political means should hang their heads.

[Shaun]

He says whilst bashing the Remain camp in the same sentence

[Tom4784]

He says whilst bashing the Remain camp in the same sentence

Preach.

[DemolitionRed]

That was a good video Alf.

I have been made to feel like I've somehow got blood on my hands; that because I'm voting Brexit my grief for Jo Cox is somehow flawed and because I show concern at the way remain journalists are milking this tragedy in their own favour I become some sort of heartless bitch.

Jo Cox is being used for political gain...no doubt about it, but how dare I speak about anything other than Jo's Tragic end. Well I can because regardless of my grief for Jo Cox this channel is called 'serious debate' and the two other sites I use, which also have long ongoing discussions about the tragic murder of an MP are not making me feel like I'm some sort of outsider with fake sympathy.

I won't be coming back on this discussion, at least not on this site.

[joeysteele]

That was a good video Alf.

I have been made to feel like I've somehow got blood on my hands; that because I'm voting Brexit my grief for Jo Cox is somehow flawed and because I show concern at the way remain journalists are milking this tragedy in their own favour I become some sort of heartless bitch.

Jo Cox is being used for political gain...no doubt about it, but how dare I speak about anything other than Jo's Tragic end. Well I can because regardless of my grief for Jo Cox this channel is called 'serious debate' and the two other sites I use, which also have long ongoing discussions about the tragic murder of an MP are not making me feel like I'm some sort of outsider with fake sympathy.

I won't be coming back on this discussion, at least not on this site.

With the fullest respect, this thread was made as to her brutal attack and then tragic death.
I for one certainly have never raised the EU as to her death.

It is a forum and people have to talk about what they want, this thread however turned into a sort of tribute thread after her death
Why does anyone need to bring anything EU related on it.

If anyone wants to talk about the EU there are plenty EU threads to do so on tibb,it doesn't need another thread such as particularly here on this one after this horrible murder.

I have actually done as best I can not to even be part of EU discussions anywhere just as the 2 sides campaigning and all Politicians have not done too.
All my thoughts are only for Jo's family,nothing else at this time rather than to hope and see real justice meted out to her murderer.

All out of the grief I feel for this senseless loss of a really good person and life.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Welcome to Weimar Britain


A humane member of parliament has been murdered for the sanctified cause of Britain First - and immigrants last.


www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/06/weimar-britain-160617105948993.html


:facepalm:

[arista]

Jo Cox Accused Gives Name As 'Death To Traitors'
"Death to traitors, freedom for Britain".

http://news.sky.com/story/1713838/jo-cox-accused-gives-name-as-death-to-traitors


He is Crazy

[Sticks]

So Alf posts a video that is biased, and we are not to challenge it in this thread?

They are now saying what was reported was never uttered and are denying this was anything to do with any far right group, yet the BBC understands that during the searches of his house, detectives found Nazi-linked items including books and literature. What about those images on the net of this man being at a Britain First meeting, behind a banner, is that deemed to be a fake?

Are we also to ignore what he said when asked his name, "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain"?

If this had been a Brexit MP, murdered by an Assylum Seeker, allowed in due to EU freedom of movement, would the Brexit people selflessly refrain from exploiting it?

That video does not even mention how both official campaigns were suspended. The video was using Jo's murder just as much as they accuse the Remain people

[Kizzy]

So Alf posts a video that is biased, and we are not to challenge it in this thread?

They are now saying what was reported was never uttered and are denying this was anything to do with any far right group, yet the BBC understands that during the searches of his house, detectives found Nazi-linked items including books and literature. What about those images on the net of this man being at a Britain First meeting, behind a banner, is that deemed to be a fake?

Are we also to ignore what he said when asked his name, "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain"?

If this had been a Brexit MP, murdered by an Assylum Seeker, allowed in due to EU freedom of movement, would the Brexit people selflessly refrain from exploiting it?

That video does not even mention how both official campaigns were suspended. The video was using Jo's murder just as much as they accuse the Remain people

I agree Sticks, how ironic that the far right are asking people not to tar them with the same brush as this guy....

[Shaun]

Really moving statement from her family on the news (BBC just now) :(

[joeysteele]

So Alf posts a video that is biased, and we are not to challenge it in this thread?

They are now saying what was reported was never uttered and are denying this was anything to do with any far right group, yet the BBC understands that during the searches of his house, detectives found Nazi-linked items including books and literature. What about those images on the net of this man being at a Britain First meeting, behind a banner, is that deemed to be a fake?

Are we also to ignore what he said when asked his name, "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain"?

If this had been a Brexit MP, murdered by an Assylum Seeker, allowed in due to EU freedom of movement, would the Brexit people selflessly refrain from exploiting it?

That video does not even mention how both official campaigns were suspended. The video was using Jo's murder just as much as they accuse the Remain people

Probably it is none of my business and I should have kept my thoughts as to this thread and the intention of it to myself.

I agreed with Jo's stance,I find it odd that anyone clearly on the other side to hers should now feel uncomfortable.

It seems this thread is now going to go down the road of others as to the EU and the divisions that brings.
It is just for me,one of Jo's greatest messages was look for the things that unite us, not divide us.
I thought and hoped all on this thread are united in the horror and even grief at her brutal and senseless murder, that anyone for just being who they are and for having an opinion,going about their work should meet such a cruel and yes really, evil, end to their life.

Maybe the rhetoric applied in the EU campaign has got way out of hand,especially as to refugees and immigration.
Maybe in time the links will be solidly proven as to that as this case progresses.

I also do not in any way disagree with a single thing you have said above too,every word you say is totally valid and strong points.

I just liked this thread better when it was being used for to express, sorrow, shock and condolences for a great person and life lost.

Also, for me anyway, had this been an MP cut down in the same way who was on the other side.
I would have felt a need to refrain from mentioning the EU and would have looked for the positives of that MP and offered sympathies equally to their family too.

We have heard a lot about Jo on the news.
I was very fortunate indeed to be able to,with others spend about 4 hours in her company during the election campaign last May in her constituency.
There are some people who can be in your life for years and they may never make any real impression.
Then there are people like Jo, who maybe you meet for a few hours,who make such a massive impression, due to their caring, warmth, friendliness, humour and dedicated determination.
Someone who you never forget,even after only that brief few hours in their presence, and also who you wish you could maybe come to be like someday too.

Sorry if anyone felt I was getting at anyone,I just felt there are plenty EU threads on tibb, and that this thread after her barbaric attack and death,could have been used to avoid any divisive elements to it, between anyone.

[Ammi]

..maybe staff could move Alf's video and any connected posts after it to one of the EU threads, Joey..?...

[Crimson Dynamo]

..maybe staff could move Alf's video and any connected posts after it to one of the EU threads, Joey..?...

why? this isnt a shrine to the dead MP its a discussion about her death

[Crimson Dynamo]

So Alf posts a video that is biased, and we are not to challenge it in this thread?

They are now saying what was reported was never uttered and are denying this was anything to do with any far right group, yet the BBC understands that during the searches of his house, detectives found Nazi-linked items including books and literature. What about those images on the net of this man being at a Britain First meeting, behind a banner, is that deemed to be a fake?

Are we also to ignore what he said when asked his name, "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain"?

If this had been a Brexit MP, murdered by an Assylum Seeker, allowed in due to EU freedom of movement, would the Brexit people selflessly refrain from exploiting it?

That video does not even mention how both official campaigns were suspended. The video was using Jo's murder just as much as they accuse the Remain people

so if the guy had shouted Alah Snakbar people on here would be falling over themselves to say its nothing to do with Islam


But because its to do with the right then oh yes he is one of them?

puleeze

[Kizzy]

so if the guy had shouted Alah Snakbar people on here would be falling over themselves to say its nothing to do with Islam


But because its to do with the right then oh yes he is one of them?

puleeze

He is a far right supporter that isn't in dispute is it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is a far right supporter that isn't in dispute is it?

What is the evidence?

[joeysteele]

..maybe staff could move Alf's video and any connected posts after it to one of the EU threads, Joey..?...

Well that is not for me to say or request as it is Shaun's thread but anyway it seems this thread is now heading down a divisive route and I find that very sad indeed.
A thread to announce the attack of and then crushing news of the death of and show respect to Jo, ending up with what she fought against all her life, any divisions.

I'll certainly keep my mouth shut now other than to honour Jo and think of her family.

[Alf]

..maybe staff could move Alf's video and any connected posts after it to one of the EU threads, Joey..?...If you want, I can edit it out for you, would you like me to do that?

[smudgie]

What an amazingly dignified family Jo had.
I was moved to tears by the lovely words her sister read out and the smile on her mothers face.

[joeysteele]

What an amazingly dignified family Jo had.
I was moved to tears by the lovely words her sister read out and the smile on her mothers face.

Beautiful the words were smudgie,just beautiful.
As were the words her Husband released too after her brutal death.

[Kizzy]

What is the evidence?

The literature and affiliations to far right organisations found in his home.

[Jack_]

I said the other day that if the reports about him shouting 'Britain First' were true then this should be called out for what it is - terrorism. And it seems the evidence coming to light only adds weight to that.

I am so sick of white perpetrators of premeditated murder in the name of politics or religion being offered the 'lonely' and 'mental health issues' excuses by the media. It is bull**** and it's time to stop allowing such institutionalised racism to continue because if this man had dark skin and/or links to Islamic State it would've been called terrorism within minutes.

The more we learn about this appalling story, the more it seems that the perpetrator was a far-right neo-Nazi who vehemently opposed Jo's politics. This was a callous act of terror and that is that.

[ThriceShy]

The literature and affiliations to far right organisations found in his home.

But what I don't get is that the left constantly post #NotAllMuslims when a muslim commits a terrorist attack.

So why is the whole of the right wing being blamed for this shooter?

[ThriceShy]

Can anyone explain to me what the endgame is here?

Let's suppose we establish that the shooter of Jo Cox was a right wing extremist/terrorist. What then?

We can't ban guns as they are already banned. Are we going to ban the right wing?

[Tom4784]

I said the other day that if the reports about him shouting 'Britain First' were true then this should be called out for what it is - terrorism. And it seems the evidence coming to light only adds weight to that.

I am so sick of white perpetrators of premeditated murder in the name of politics or religion being offered the 'lonely' and 'mental health issues' excuses by the media. It is bull**** and it's time to stop allowing such institutionalised racism to continue because if this man had dark skin and/or links to Islamic State it would've been called terrorism within minutes.

The more we learn about this appalling story, the more it seems that the perpetrator was a far-right neo-Nazi who vehemently opposed Jo's politics. This was a callous act of terror and that is that.

I agree it should be labelled as terrorism but that'll never happen since the shooter was white and the media has a very clear image of how they want to present terrorism.

It'd also be nice if all the Right Wing folks saying 'don't tar us all with the same brush, we aren't all terrorists' could apply the same to Muslims and immigrants but they don't have the self awareness to see the similarities.

[ThriceShy]

I agree it should be labelled as terrorism but that'll never happen since the shooter was white and the media has a very clear image of how they want to present terrorism.

It'd also be nice if all the Right Wing folks saying 'don't tar us all with the same brush, we aren't all terrorists' could apply the same to Muslims and immigrants but they don't have the self awareness to see the similarities.

IRA terrorists were white and they were always described as terrorists. David Copeland, the nail bomber who attacked the gay pub and the jewish market, was white and he was also called a terrorist.

If this guy shot Jo Cox to further a political end then I will happily call him a terrorist too. But lets not pretend he is anything more than an isolated nutjob.

When have the right wing claimed that ALL muslims are terrorists? I have certainly never said this and I appear to be the most right wing poster here.

[Kizzy]

But what I don't get is that the left constantly post #NotAllMuslims when a muslim commits a terrorist attack.

So why is the whole of the right wing being blamed for this shooter?

Who's blaming the whole right wing? He was a lone terrorist, like the guy in Orlando.

[ThriceShy]

Who's blaming the whole right wing? He was a lone terrorist, like the guy in Orlando.

The guy in Orlando was not a lone terrorist. His wife has admitted to helping him scout targets.

[Kizzy]

IRA terrorists were white and they were always described as terrorists. David Copeland, the nail bomber who attacked the gay pub and the jewish market, was white and he was also called a terrorist.

If this guy shot Jo Cox to further a political end then I will happily call him a terrorist too. But lets not pretend he is anything more than an isolated nutjob.

When have the right wing claimed that ALL muslims are terrorists? I have certainly never said this and I appear to be the most right wing poster here.

You could argue all extremists have a degree of mental illness, why isolate this one?
The poster unveiled by UKIP is pretty divisive, nobody is commenting on any one individual in the thread.
That said your comment on west Yorkshire, being from there myself I found a bit off, we have no more or less anti immigration supporters than anywhere else.

[Kizzy]

The guy in Orlando was not a lone terrorist. His wife has admitted to helping him scout targets.

He was not aided by any organisation.

[bots]

I for one hope that he isn't allowed to hide behind a mental illness claim and receives the punishment he fully deserves for this crime. It is absolutely a terrorist event, the colour of skin doesn't come in to that term, it never has.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/18/472397/default/v0/peoplenew-1-992x558.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/18/472391/default/v0/mailnew-1-992x558.jpg

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Right wing, vote leave activist Eva Van " don't let this man's sacrifice go on vain"

http://dailym.ai/1YyM0f3

[Ammi]

..if many are signing the petition to cancel the referendum then I wonder if that's an indication of 'no vote' from them../that I'm sure would be something that Jo wouldn't have wanted or her family wouldn't want...for people not to vote at all...


A petition to cancel next week’s European Union referendum has surged in support in the days following the killing of MP Jo Cox.

As of lunchtime on Saturday over 20,000 people have signed the statement on the Parliament website in the last few days calling for the vote to be called off at the last minute.

The call comes amid consternation at the tone of the referendum campaign and the temporary suspension of activities by both sides in light of the MP’s death.

Thomas Mair, the man charged with her murder, gave his name as “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain” when he appeared in court on Saturday morning.

As the petition has over double the 10,000 required signatures for it to reach its first hurdle, the Government will be obliged to issue an official response to it in due course.

At the current rate of increase the campaign looks set to hit 100,000 signatures before polling day on Thursday – a bar which would normally trigger a debate in parliament.

However, the petition will almost certainly fall on deaf ears as MPs have broken for recess so they can campaign in the referendum – and will be unable to hold a debate.
The petitioners argue that Britain is a parliamentary democracy and that parliament, rather than a national plebiscite, should determine whether Britain stays in the EU.

“According to the BBC 444 MPs of (almost) all parties have declared their support for Britain staying a member of the European Union on the basis of the reform package negotiated by the Prime Minister,” the petitioners say.

“Constituting more than 68 per cent of the votes in the House of Commons, this represents a rate and overwhelming cross-party Parliamentary majority.

“If it is the settle will of such a large majority in the House of Commons, Parliament should now rise to the occasion and asset the very sovereignty Brexit campaigners claim it has lost.”

There were last minute changes to plans this month when the deadline to register to vote in the referendum was extended by a further 48 hours.

Around half a million people flooded onto the Government website to sign up to register to vote – most of them young.

The call to cancel the referendum comes with the Leave campaign leading in the polls published before Ms Cox’s killing.

A string of surveys from Ipsos MORI, YouGov ORB showed Britain on the verge of Brexit.

The European Union referendum is set to take place on 23 June. The deadline to register to vote has already passed.

[bots]

if we cancelled the referendum, then people would just go out and murder a politician any time they wanted to stop a vote. hardly democracy in action.

[Crimson Dynamo]

these silly petitions signed by facebook/snapchat/instagram/twitter kids are a waste of time and energy

[ThriceShy]

He was not aided by any organisation.

How can you possibly know that??? The FBI are still investigating.

The fact his wife was involved means he wasn't a lone terrorist Unless you are now changing the definition of "lone"

[Crimson Dynamo]

The literature and affiliations to far right organisations found in his home.

Some pamphlet from the 80s?

[MTVN]

I think giving his name as 'Death to traitors, freedom for Britain' is fairly strong evidence for his political sympathies..

[Tom4784]

It's so silly to even entertain the thought of cancelling the Referendum at this stage. It would basically be giving into terrorism to do so.


I think giving his name as 'Death to traitors, freedom for Britain' is fairly strong evidence for his political sympathies..

Yeah, it's nonsensical to try to downplay his political motivations at this point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think giving his name as 'Death to traitors, freedom for Britain' is fairly strong evidence for his political sympathies..

or perhaps a tactic to get sent down as a mentalist rather than a sane murderer

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's so silly to even entertain the thought of cancelling the Referendum at this stage. It would basically be giving into terrorism to do so.




Yeah, it's nonsensical to try to downplay his political motivations at this point.
i dont see any political movement having freedom for britain or death to traitors as a policy?

sounds like the ideas of a mentallist rather than someone with political aspirations

[Tom4784]

i dont see any political movement having freedom for britain or death to traitors as a policy?

sounds like the ideas of a mentallist rather than someone with political aspirations

Well, no terrorist is truly sane. A sane person doesn't go out and murder people for their ideals.

Being mentally ill doesn't exclude you from being a terrorist.

[billy123]

i dont see any political movement having freedom for britain or death to traitors as a policy
I see at least one although they and their deluded idiotic followers are too cowardly to admit it in public what they obviously really are.

[MTVN]

i dont see any political movement having freedom for britain or death to traitors as a policy?

sounds like the ideas of a mentallist rather than someone with political aspirations

Not in the mainstream, you don't have to look far to find far-right groups supporting action like this though. Tiny groups maybe but they are very capable of serious violence

[Crimson Dynamo]

I see at least one although they and their deluded idiotic followers are too cowardly to admit it in public what they obviously really are.

yes bob but i am afraid that may convince you but no one else

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not in the mainstream, you don't have to look far to find far-right groups supporting action like this though. Tiny groups maybe but they are very capable of serious violence

at both ends of the spectrum tho not just RW

[billy123]

yes bob but i am afraid that may convince you but no one elseJust as i thought.

[arista]

these silly petitions signed by facebook/snapchat/instagram/twitter kids are a waste of time and energy


Bang On Right LT

[joeysteele]

Sorry, for me the mental health bit here is a non starter, it takes careful and wilful planning to not only make sure you know where someone is going to be and how to accost them,acquiring a gun and to go out for that person, with not only the gun but also a knife.

To then accost the totally innocent victim, attack her, stab her repeatedly and finally shoot her 3 times.

No sympathy from me for him,and then for him to stand up in a court of law still going on about freedom for Britain.
While refusing to give an address or date of birth.
All shows someone thinking and planning rather carefully to me.
Not mentally ill but just plain horrible and really bad right through him,are most likely what are the only things wrong with him.

[arista]

Sorry for me the mental health bit here is a non starter, it takes careful and wilful planning to not only make sure you know where someone is going to be and how to accost them,acquiring a gun and to go out for that person, with not only the gun but also a knife.

To then accost the totally innocent victim, attack her, stab her repeatedly and finally shoot her 3 times.

No sympathy from me for him,and then for him to stand up in a court of law still going on about freedom for Britain.
While refusing to give an address or date of birth.
All shows someone thinking and planning rather carefully to me.
Not mentally ill but just plain horrible and really bad right through him,are most likely what are the only things wrong with him.

But his Case Worker
said 5 years before on
he was on meds.

Are you sure the Meds did not Screw him up?

[Kizzy]

How can you possibly know that??? The FBI are still investigating.

The fact his wife was involved means he wasn't a lone terrorist Unless you are now changing the definition of "lone"

It was in the presidents statement.

[Kizzy]

Some pamphlet from the 80s?

I saw a cute saying the other day, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck...it's a duck.
Your denial is palpable on this issue, not sure why.

[the truth]

I saw a cute saying the other day, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck...it's a duck.
Your denial is palpable on this issue, not sure why.

and quacks like a duck

[Northern Monkey]

From what i've heard in the news etc it seems that there's no denying both facts that this guy was strongly in favour of far right extremism and also had psychological issues.A lethal combination.There is plenty to suggest both.
A misconception on here is that being mentally ill means a lack of intelligence and the ability to plan an attack.This was more than likely brewing inside of him for a long time and his state of mind made him take it to the next level.
This thread has turned into some kind of political competition for some reason which there is absolutely no need for.Just look at the facts.
I don't think the deranged actions of one far right extremist lunatic will affect the referendum on a noticeable scale.This awful murder should be distanced from the referendum and the British people should not let this affect their decision in any way.

[joeysteele]

But his Case Worker
said 5 years before on
he was on meds.

Are you sure the Meds did not Screw him up?

I said not a scrap of sympathy from me for him, so no I do not.

I think someone who was able to plan this so carefully and bring it about, and then execute it with not one but 2 weapons too is plain and simple bad and rotten inside.

I think any trying to afford this man, a mental health get out clause is an insult to people who are genuinely mentally ill and who couldn't plan this kind of this so carefully.

They may well lash out at someone random due to their mental health issues but this guy had his plan, built it up, selected his victim,set it up, brought it about and saw it right through the the conclusion he wanted.
Bad right through, not ill in any real sense of the word.

[Crimson Dynamo]

From what i've heard in the news etc it seems that there's no denying both facts that this guy was strongly in favour of far right extremism and also had psychological issues.A lethal combination.There is plenty to suggest both.
A misconception on here is that being mentally ill means a lack of intelligence and the ability to plan an attack.This was more than likely brewing inside of him for a long time and his state of mind made him take it to the next level.
This thread has turned into some kind of political competition for some reason which there is absolutely no need for.Just look at the facts.
I don't think the deranged actions of one far right extremist lunatic will affect the referendum on a noticeable scale.This awful murder should be distanced from the referendum and the British people should not let this affect their decision in any way.

But we have very few facts

[ThriceShy]

Well, no terrorist is truly sane. A sane person doesn't go out and murder people for their ideals.

Being mentally ill doesn't exclude you from being a terrorist.

Someone found not mentally fit to stand trial could not be convicted of terrorism charges.

[ThriceShy]

Right wing, vote leave activist Eva Van " don't let this man's sacrifice go on vain"

http://dailym.ai/1YyM0f3

Wow.

This is, without doubt, the most cynical, blatant and disgusting Psy Op that MI5 have ever conducted.

[Kizzy]

Wow.

This is, without doubt, the most cynical, blatant and disgusting Psy Op that MI5 have ever conducted.

what's a psy op?

[the truth]

From what i've heard in the news etc it seems that there's no denying both facts that this guy was strongly in favour of far right extremism and also had psychological issues.A lethal combination.There is plenty to suggest both.
A misconception on here is that being mentally ill means a lack of intelligence and the ability to plan an attack.This was more than likely brewing inside of him for a long time and his state of mind made him take it to the next level.
This thread has turned into some kind of political competition for some reason which there is absolutely no need for.Just look at the facts.
I don't think the deranged actions of one far right extremist lunatic will affect the referendum on a noticeable scale.This awful murder should be distanced from the referendum and the British people should not let this affect their decision in any way.

the left and the remain will exploit this tragedy and are doing so....yet when the right state simply a radical islamist is guity of yet another mass murder, obama and the liberals go mad and call them racist again? and complain the right are using a tragedy to make political gain. massive hypocrisy from the left and remain

[joeysteele]

MPs across the whole of Parliament will be paying full and due respects to a great life and person cruelly taken from the World this afternoon.

Hopefully this will be a fitting tribute to Jo,from those who knew her well, a bit and who even didn't at all.

A Woman who really deserved only the best in life and who fought for that endlessly for others, not only here in the UK but around the World too,long before she even became an MP.

[Ammi]

MPs across the whole of Parliament will be paying full and due respects to a great life and person cruelly taken from the World this afternoon.

Hopefully this will be a fitting tribute to Jo,from those who knew her well, a bit and who even didn't at all.

A Woman who really deserved only the best in life and who fought for that endlessly for others, not only here in the UK but around the World too,long before she even became an MP.

..did you read about her husband and children going camping, Joey...a beautiful tribute I think...and also a short escape from the media atm as well...


The husband of MP Jo Cox has revealed he took the couple's two young children camping to spend the night under the stars in tribute to her just days after she was killed .

Brendan Cox camped out with his son and daughter on Saturday night in memory of their mother, who loved the great outdoors.

In a moving tweet, Mr Cox said the trio had reflected on the last time the family had been together and were woken by the dawn chorus.

Jo loved camping. Last night the kids & I camped in her memory& remembered the last time we were all woken by the dawn chorus

[joeysteele]

..did you read about her husband and children going camping, Joey...a beautiful tribute I think...and also a short escape from the media atm as well...


The husband of MP Jo Cox has revealed he took the couple's two young children camping to spend the night under the stars in tribute to her just days after she was killed .

Brendan Cox camped out with his son and daughter on Saturday night in memory of their mother, who loved the great outdoors.

In a moving tweet, Mr Cox said the trio had reflected on the last time the family had been together and were woken by the dawn chorus.

Jo loved camping. Last night the kids & I camped in her memory& remembered the last time we were all woken by the dawn chorus


I did Ammi, they were an incredible couple and family.

I am so glad he has done this and she would have loved it too.
I get emotional everytime I think of this cruel tragedy.

Things like what Brendan has done with the children there that you mention and then this today with MPs from all parties in Parliament paying due tribute to her.
Give some hope that decency may one day take over in politics but moreso the example of this family, and indeed all of Jo's life, show that real good does exist if we look for it.

[Shaun]

Very nice tribute to her in parliament today :love:

[joeysteele]

Very appropriate all the tributes to her today and incredible to think her husband her family and her 2 young children were there for it too.

What a tragedy and what a loss.
R.I.P Jo.

[Sticks]

I hate to lower the tone, but there are people out there trying to say this was a false flag operation because in a video clip of her sister reading from a prepared statement, they were not wailing and sobbing and collapsing on the floor. Some are even saying nobody was really killed and this is a Mossad MI6 ruse to fix the referendum..

Whilst tributes go on in parliament certain people on YouTube and face book are concocting all sorts of outlandish conspiracy theories. :mad:

We know what Thomas Mair said in the magistrates court, or is he not to be considered an MI6 CIA undercover operator
:bored:

[joeysteele]

I hate to lower the tone, but there are people out there trying to say this was a false flag operation because in a video clip of her sister reading from a prepared statement, they were not wailing and sobbing and collapsing on the floor. Some are even saying nobody was really killed and this is a Mossad MI6 ruse to fix the referendum..

Whilst tributes go on in parliament certain people on YouTube and face book are concocting all sorts of outlandish conspiracy theories. :mad:

We know what Thomas Mair said in the magistrates court, or is he not to be considered an MI6 CIA undercover operator
:bored:

Some people are really gross and really sick.

[Sticks]

Some people are really gross and really sick.

And they are perpetually in denial

I read an extended Bible passage at my mother's funeral, The Wife of Noble character from the end of Proverbs, I managed to do it without crying or collapsing on the floor, which these people would expect I would be doing

[the truth]

strange hos the politicians say so little about the legendary 77 year old man who is fighting for his life after trying to save jo cox from her attacker and there is no money being raised for him? these one eyed politicians only talk about what is in their interests

[kirklancaster]

I have been without proper internet service since this utterly senseless tragedy occurred, but I want only to say; R.I.P beautiful Jo and God bless your beautiful family.

[joeysteele]

strange hos the politicians say so little about the legendary 77 year old man who is fighting for his life after trying to save jo cox from her attacker and there is no money being raised for him? these one eyed politicians only talk about what is in their interests

Both Corbyn and Cameron paid tribute to him in Parliaments tribute for Jo yesterday afternoon.

I also understand govt Minister Matt Hancock has been approached as to an honour for him too.

[smudgie]

strange hos the politicians say so little about the legendary 77 year old man who is fighting for his life after trying to save jo cox from her attacker and there is no money being raised for him? these one eyed politicians only talk about what is in their interests

He is home from hospital, recovering from his injuries.
He has been mentioned by a fair few of the politicians over the past few days.
Hopefully he will be fully recognised for his bravery with a medal of some sort.
Very brave man indeed.

[Alf]

Her funeral will take place tomorrow.

It will be a small private affair in her constituency.

[the truth]

strange how no one mentions jo cox anymore, 3 weeks ago her tragic death was everywhere? and no one mentions the 77 yr old man who nearly died trying to save her either....were run by fickle people

[Cherie]

strange how no one mentions jo cox anymore, 3 weeks ago her tragic death was everywhere? and no one mentions the 77 yr old man who nearly died trying to save her either....were run by fickle people

Consigned to just another news story now the leavers have decided this wasn't organised to thwart the leave campaign

[Crimson Dynamo]

Consigned to just another news story now the leavers have decided this wasn't organised to thwart the leave campaign

no

some people, you have no idea if they voted leave

it was just some internet crazies

[joeysteele]

This truly good and wonderful person must never be forgotten.

It is right there has been a time for less high profile news of her savage murder.

Donations to her causes are rising still and also her funeral is Friday, also hoped to be low key but stopping hopefully at places for those wanting to pay public respects to her.

The man who tried to save her, again it is likely he wants no fuss,there has been recommendations for him to be awarded with some honour for this massively brave effort.
An award even some have the grudging attitude as to him getting a particular one.

Hopefully some permanent memorial for Jo will be forthcoming in the future, she gave her life in the service of her constituents for her caring and good beliefs as to how the World could be and how others should be treated.
Not forgotten and rightly so.

[_Tom_]

Consigned to just another news story now the leavers have decided this wasn't organised to thwart the leave campaign

In the same way that the remainers promise of a "kinder, gentler" brand of politics after her death went completely out the window?

[Sticks]

But then the Leave people won and with the outburst racism and Theresa May threatening all EU national with deportation the "kinder, gentler" brand of politics was killed before birth.

[joeysteele]

But then the Leave people won and with the outburst racism and Theresa May threatening all EU national with deportation the "kinder, gentler" brand of politics was killed before birth.

Just seen this, a very good point.
Faults on both sides admittedly but you make a strong observation there.

[Cherie]

But then the Leave people won and with the outburst racism and Theresa May threatening all EU national with deportation the "kinder, gentler" brand of politics was killed before birth.

Good point Sticks

[Northern Monkey]

But then the Leave people won and with the outburst racism and Theresa May threatening all EU national with deportation the "kinder, gentler" brand of politics was killed before birth.

She is'nt going to deport EU nationals.They have to use that in the negotiations though to ensure our citizens living in the EU are able to stay and live their without any issues.It's a bargaining chip.

[Sticks]

In which case to stop your bargaining chips going to ground, won't you need to round them up in detention centres? :shocked:

[Northern Monkey]

In which case to stop your bargaining chips going to ground, won't you need to round them up in detention centres? :shocked:
:joker:

This does'nt warrant a sensible reply

[Alf]

Breaking

Thomas Mair has been found guilty of the murder of Jo Cox

[Cherie]

Not unexpected, her family have been the most dignified I have ever seen

[Tom4784]

Expected but still good to hear, I do hope he gets life.

I've got a lot of respect for her family, such strength.

[MB.]

Hope he rots in there

[Cherie]

Expected but still good to hear, I do hope he gets life.

I've got a lot of respect for her family, such strength.

Yes amazing restraint

[Ammi]

...just so glad that the trial and verdict are all over for her family and friends now.../most of us brace ourselves so much for the funerals of our loved ones which are hard enough but to know that there was this to go through as well and how painful it was going to be in re-living all of the details again...:sad:..

[Sticks]

And those who clamoured for this referendum, do they not share in this culpability? If there had not been a referendum there would not have been the atmosphere that led to this murder?

[Kizzy]

Far right terrorists are a bigger threat than anything else at this moment.

Her family were so brave :(

[Ammi]

..no Sticks...whatever 'atmosphere' has been created by the decision to have this referendum, that atmosphere has been there for every one of us but only one person took Joe's life, he is the only one with culpability...

[Kizzy]

I think he's right in a sense, someone said this week that 'something dark' had been unleashed in America following trumps win, I feel that here about brexit.

[kirklancaster]

And those who clamoured for this referendum, do they not share in this culpability? If there had not been a referendum there would not have been the atmosphere that led to this murder?

I think he's right in a sense, someone said this week that 'something dark' had been unleashed in America following trumps win, I feel that here about brexit.

The above posts are two of the most disgustingly irresponsible, which I have ever seen on a Forum and as an EU Referendum devotee, Leave voter, Trump supporter, and someone who is genuinely saddened by the senseless murder of young Jo Cox, I am deeply offended by them.

To try to turn the tragic murder of a beautiful young mother at the hands of an evil, mentally deranged monster into something more than that in order to make political capital from it, is unforgivable.

To suggest - even disguised as a question - that those who 'clamoured for a referendum' have culpability in poor Jo's senseless murder, is as banal as saying that EVERYONE involved in staging football matches are culpable in the numerous cases of football fans being knifed to death or kicked to death during post-match football fan violence, because if there had been no clamouring for football matches on a Saturday, there would not have been the atmosphere which led to the murder.

Let's not restrict ourselves to Politics and Football though, let's be totally ridiculous and go for... Road Rage for starters. Yes - and those fecking bastards who invented cars. If there wasn't any cars there would be no chance of any bad atmosphere developing which leads to numerous murders through Road Rage.

As for;

"I think he's right in a sense, someone said this week that 'something dark' had been unleashed in America following trumps win, I feel that here about brexit."

The ONLY 'something dark unleashed' by both Trump's victory AND the 'Brexit' Referendum result, is in the deeply immature and dangerously twisted minds of ANYONE who cannot accept both those DEMOCRATIC results and who lose all objectivity, rationality, and civility as a consequence.

And the total HYPOCRISY in these type of posts is STAGGERING:

Any condemnation in a post of a deranged Muslim Extremist slaughtering innocent civilians, is met with a barrage of totally UNJUSTIFIED accusations of 'Demonising all Muslims' and 'Tarring all Muslims with the same brush', YET, it is perfectly acceptable for a least one of those same protesters to try to 'Demonise' Trump supporters or - as is the despicable case here - to try to Demonise' 'Leave' supporters or those citizens who favoured an EU Referendum, and condemn them as somehow partly responsible for the senseless slaying of an innocent young woman by this solitary deranged psychopath.

None of these type of disgusting posts do anything but dishonour the memory of Jo Cox.

In MY opinion.

[kirklancaster]

..no Sticks...whatever 'atmosphere' has been created by the decision to have this referendum, that atmosphere has been there for every one of us but only one person took Joe's life, he is the only one with culpability...

Thank God for your logic and reasonableness Ammi.

[joeysteele]

This is still raw for me as I spent a short time during the 2015 election with Jo with many others canvassing.
I doubt I have come across a more enthusiastic, optimistic and rallying person.
Her warmth, energy and determination really inspiring.

This case is sickening and I am glad this vile man has got the sentence he did, although you wonder why he gets to still acquire some comforts for himself.
That is the law however.

All I hope is that, as to any who may think as he does, somehow more is done to root them out and stop them being able to even get anywhere near even thinking about doing this to anyone else, never mind actually being able to do so.

Jo Cox, is along with her family,her amazing Husband and her Sister, a really fine example of dignity and good in the World.
Part of that good has been viciously taken from the World by Jo's murder but her values can live on, by others making sure what she stood for is always fought for and upheld.

R.I.P. to a truly wonderful Lady.
One who could have made such a big change for the better in the world of politics.
A Parliament filled with the understanding, compassion and consensus politics of Jo Cox, would be a truly amazing and wonderful thing to see, as well as being the best change possible to come about too.

[Cherie]

This is still raw for me as I spent a short time during the 2015 election with Jo with many others canvassing.
I doubt I have come across a more enthusiastic, optimistic and rallying person.
Her warmth, energy and determination really inspiring.

This case is sickening and I am glad this vile man has got the sentence he did, although you wonder why he gets to still acquire some comforts for himself.
That is the law however.

All I hope is that, as to any who may think as he does, somehow more is done to root them out and stop them being able to even get anywhere near even thinking about doing this to anyone else, never mind actually being able to do so.

Jo Cox, is along with her family,her amazing Husband and her Sister, a really fine example of dignity and good in the World.
Part of that good has been viciously taken from the World by Jo's murder but her values can live on, by others making sure what she stood for is always fought for and upheld.

R.I.P. to a truly wonderful Lady.
One who could have made such a big change for the better in the world of politics.
A Parliament filled with the understanding, compassion and consensus politics of Jo Cox, would be a truly amazing and wonderful thing to see, as well as being the best change possible to come about too.


:clap1:

[kirklancaster]

This is still raw for me as I spent a short time during the 2015 election with Jo with many others canvassing.
I doubt I have come across a more enthusiastic, optimistic and rallying person.
Her warmth, energy and determination really inspiring.

This case is sickening and I am glad this vile man has got the sentence he did, although you wonder why he gets to still acquire some comforts for himself.
That is the law however.

All I hope is that, as to any who may think as he does, somehow more is done to root them out and stop them being able to even get anywhere near even thinking about doing this to anyone else, never mind actually being able to do so.

Jo Cox, is along with her family,her amazing Husband and her Sister, a really fine example of dignity and good in the World.
Part of that good has been viciously taken from the World by Jo's murder but her values can live on, by others making sure what she stood for is always fought for and upheld.

R.I.P. to a truly wonderful Lady.
One who could have made such a big change for the better in the world of politics.
A Parliament filled with the understanding, compassion and consensus politics of Jo Cox, would be a truly amazing and wonderful thing to see, as well as being the best change possible to come about too.

I wholeheartedly endorse every word you write Joey. It is a terrible tragedy.

[Northern Monkey]

The above posts are two of the most disgustingly irresponsible, which I have ever seen on a Forum and as an EU Referendum devotee, Leave voter, Trump supporter, and someone who is genuinely saddened by the senseless murder of young Jo Cox, I am deeply offended by them.

To try to turn the tragic murder of a beautiful young mother at the hands of an evil, mentally deranged monster into something more than that in order to make political capital from it, is unforgivable.

To suggest - even disguised as a question - that those who 'clamoured for a referendum' have culpability in poor Jo's senseless murder, is as banal as saying that EVERYONE involved in staging football matches are culpable in the numerous cases of football fans being knifed to death or kicked to death during post-match football fan violence, because if there had been no clamouring for football matches on a Saturday, there would not have been the atmosphere which led to the murder.

Let's not restrict ourselves to Politics and Football though, let's be totally ridiculous and go for... Road Rage for starters. Yes - and those fecking bastards who invented cars. If there wasn't any cars there would be no chance of any bad atmosphere developing which leads to numerous murders through Road Rage.

As for;

"I think he's right in a sense, someone said this week that 'something dark' had been unleashed in America following trumps win, I feel that here about brexit."

The ONLY 'something dark unleashed' by both Trump's victory AND the 'Brexit' Referendum result, is in the deeply immature and dangerously twisted minds of ANYONE who cannot accept both those DEMOCRATIC results and who lose all objectivity, rationality, and civility as a consequence.

And the total HYPOCRISY in these type of posts is STAGGERING:

Any condemnation in a post of a deranged Muslim Extremist slaughtering innocent civilians, is met with a barrage of totally UNJUSTIFIED accusations of 'Demonising all Muslims' and 'Tarring all Muslims with the same brush', YET, it is perfectly acceptable for a least one of those same protesters to try to 'Demonise' Trump supporters or - as is the despicable case here - to try to Demonise' 'Leave' supporters or those citizens who favoured an EU Referendum, and condemn them as somehow partly responsible for the senseless slaying of an innocent young woman by this solitary deranged psychopath.

None of these type of disgusting posts do anything but dishonour the memory of Jo Cox.

In MY opinion.:clap1:

[Northern Monkey]

This is still raw for me as I spent a short time during the 2015 election with Jo with many others canvassing.
I doubt I have come across a more enthusiastic, optimistic and rallying person.
Her warmth, energy and determination really inspiring.

This case is sickening and I am glad this vile man has got the sentence he did, although you wonder why he gets to still acquire some comforts for himself.
That is the law however.

All I hope is that, as to any who may think as he does, somehow more is done to root them out and stop them being able to even get anywhere near even thinking about doing this to anyone else, never mind actually being able to do so.

Jo Cox, is along with her family,her amazing Husband and her Sister, a really fine example of dignity and good in the World.
Part of that good has been viciously taken from the World by Jo's murder but her values can live on, by others making sure what she stood for is always fought for and upheld.

R.I.P. to a truly wonderful Lady.
One who could have made such a big change for the better in the world of politics.
A Parliament filled with the understanding, compassion and consensus politics of Jo Cox, would be a truly amazing and wonderful thing to see, as well as being the best change possible to come about too.:clap1:

[Kizzy]

George medal for hero who tried to save Jo Cox from right wing terrorist, great news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-40301429

[joeysteele]

George medal for hero who tried to save Jo Cox from right wing terrorist, great news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-40301429

It is indeed Kizzy.
A well deserved recognition for a really brave and selfless act.

[Kizzy]

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[Kizzy]

RIP to a true hero :(

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/15/a-true-hero-bernard-kenny-stabbed-trying-protect-jo-cox-dies-aged-79

[Braden]

I'm glad you updated the thread, Kizzy, thank you. I saw a news notification on my phone yesterday, but forgot to read the article.

RIP :sad:

[Underscore]

RIP to him.

Read Jo Cox's book written by her husband Brendan which highlighted him. Such a shame.

[Alf]

RIP that brave man.