Westworld | Renewed for Season 3

[Lostie!]

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The one-hour drama series Westworld is a dark odyssey about the dawn of artificial consciousness and the evolution of sin. Set at the intersection of the near future and the reimagined past, it explores a world in which every human appetite, no matter how noble or depraved, can be indulged.

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Anyone thinking of watching this? I've seen the movie years ago and I remember liking it, the show looks brilliant. Some really good names in the cast (Anthony Hopkins!!) and I'm especially excited about Jonathan Nolan's involvement since Person of Interest is one of my favourite shows so he's already won me over with his take on Artificial Intelligence. For anyone not familiar with the movie, it's about a Wild West themed amusement park called Westworld full of robots that perfectly mimic humans (in the movie there are other areas based on different periods in history too so I wonder if the show will incorporate them eventually).

It's gonna start in October apparently, so a little while to go yet.

[Natalie.]

Hadn't heard of it until now but the trailer looks interesting

[Lostie!]

Hadn't heard of it until now but the trailer looks interesting

:clap1:

It's been a while since I saw the movie but I remember liking it and the idea of Artificial Intelligence turning on humans is a creepy idea that always interests me in film and television :laugh:

(And yeah I've realised this should have really been in the sci-fi section, I've PM'd Niamh :laugh:)

[Ross.]

That trailer looks so good

[Lostie!]

That trailer looks so good

I've watched it a few times now, I really can't wait for this :laugh:

[Ross.]

I haven't seen the film so I might get round to watching that in preparation for this

[TT350]

Yes! Yul Brinner (sp?) was amazing in the original. Hope they recapture his performance.

They just need to remake Demon Seed now. That was proper creepy.

[Lostie!]

Just read the music's gonna be composed by Ramin Djawadi! He's the man behind the epic Person of Interest and Game of Thrones themes, among others. :clap2:

So many reasons to be excited for this, hope it delivers on it's potential.

[Lostie!]

October 2nd has been revealed as the official start date in the US, the UK airing likely won't be far behind.

[arista]

Yes! Yul Brinner (sp?) was amazing in the original. Hope they recapture his performance.

They just need to remake Demon Seed now. That was proper creepy.


Yes Top Film on 1080P BluRay
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[Mystic Mock]

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It's been a while since I saw the movie but I remember liking it and the idea of Artificial Intelligence turning on humans is a creepy idea that always interests me in film and television :laugh:

(And yeah I've realised this should have really been in the sci-fi section, I've PM'd Niamh :laugh:)

If you like the concept of the BIB then I recommend an Anime called Ergo Proxy if you haven't already watched it.

And I like the look of Westworld, it goes along with my Sense8, Killjoys, and Dark Matter for my Sci-Fi watches.

Oh and I've got to get back into Colony as well.

[arista]

A clip was on Ch4HD live
s. brunch

Looks great
the lady actor in it , was on the show
she has also has just done a book Acts of Love

[arista]

I haven't seen the film so I might get round to watching that in preparation for this


The film in 1080P
is Fantastic.

Top Film

[Lostie!]

HBO have released a new trailer

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This looks so ****ing good :flutter:

(It says "mature version" because they've released two versions of the new trailer but the differences are minor tbh :laugh:)

If you like the concept of the BIB then I recommend an Anime called Ergo Proxy if you haven't already watched it.

I don't really watch Anime but it's something I've thought about in the past so I'll look into it, cheers.

[Natalie.]

Wow that trailer looks so good!

[Lostie!]

Wow that trailer looks so good!

I love that we got so much more of Anthony Hopkins' character in this one, he seems really sinister.

[Black Dagger]

Trailer looks good. I've missed out on SO many Sky Atlantic shows, but we're back with Sky from next week :clap1:

[Ross.]

I'm ready

[Lostie!]

They've done a tie-in website for Westworld for people to visit as if it was a real place and apparently it's full of little cool easter eggs and hints about the show but it's not available outside of the US :idc:

Which makes it a little awkward that Sky Atlantic have retweeted Thandie Newton tweeting a link to it :laugh:

[Lostie!]

And another new trailer

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[Lostie!]

Quite a few reviews are now out and they're very positive

And the UK airdate has been confirmed as October 4th, so two days after the US airing.

[Shaun]

Looks promising

[Ross.]

Do we know how many eps this has got yet?

[Lostie!]

10 :)

[arista]

10 :)


10 that's good Lostie!

[Lostie!]

10 that's good Lostie!

Yeah, 10-13 episodes is my favourite length for a TV season. Long enough for a fleshed out story without having to throw in filler. :clap1:

HBO's seasons are usually around that length aren't they?

[arista]

Episode 1

is 9PM - 10:20PM

Next tuesday

[Jason.]

I'm going to give this a go. I like the sound of it and I've heard a lot of people talking about it. And I saw a bus poster for it today too :laugh:

[Lostie!]

I knew you'd give in.

[Lostie!]

I really enjoyed the first episode, glad to see it seems to be being really well received online too :clap1:

The production values really are phenomenal :love: I love period settings so I really like how the scenes in the park really feel like an actual western :flutter:

There was a fair bit of controversy about the Dolores' rape in the run-up to the show airing and it was the scene I was least looking forward to so I was pleasantly surprised it was kept off-screen and the show didn't feel the need to show it for shock value. The implication was more than enough.

The twist with Teddy was a nice way to introduce him (even though I figured he was a robot since the trailer showed him lying "dead" and obviously they wouldn't give that away but I still liked it as a narrative technique and I'm sure it was a great swerve for the people who weren't obsessing over every promo like I was :laugh:).

I also love how creepy it looks when they start glitching and when they're stopped mid-action. Also the little stiff movements that old retired one made, it's all just really well-done. :clap2:

That final shot of Dolores swatting the fly was a perfect little omen, I'm here for her going psycho on the more deranged guests.

I adore shows that are really mysterious and mind screwy and full of opportunities for theorising (well my username's Lostie so obviously) and there's already a lot of discussion and theories floating around so I can really see this show being something I get really hooked on.

The promo for the rest of the season looks amazing :flutter:

[Niamh.]

oh I'm definitely giving this one a go

[Lostie!]

You really should. It's so intriguing and gives you a lot to think about. And there are really some brilliant performances from some of the actors.

[arista]

9PM tonight

Top actors, as well.

[arista]

On now


Sounds Great in 5.1 Dolby Sound

[Lostie!]

It's taken a lot of willpower to not watch the second episode since HBO released it early, didn't want to have more than a week's wait for episode 3 :joker: (from what I've seen its getting positive reviews too :clap1:)

[BBUKAUSFAN]

Watched episode 1 and 2 and really liking this show and cant wait to see how it all plays out.

[Lostie!]

Loved the second episode, even better than the first :clap1:

I've read a theory that the scenes with William and Logan are actually taking place 30 years ago and William is the younger version of the Man in Black. I would absolutely love this :flutter:

Is Teddy gonna be shot dead every week? He really is Westworld's very own Kenny :joker:

[Jason.]

I haven't gotten around to watching this yet as I've been so busy with work the past week but I'll be watching the first episode tonight :spin:

[arista]

Episode 2 tonight 9PM

[Lostie!]

What did you think of the first episode, arista?

[Ammi]

Loved the second episode, even better than the first :clap1:

I've read a theory that the scenes with William and Logan are actually taking place 30 years ago and William is the younger version of the Man in Black. I would absolutely love this :flutter:

Is Teddy gonna be shot dead every week? He really is Westworld's very own Kenny :joker:

..haha, that's exactly what I thought as well about Teddy, that it was almost comical like Kenny...:laugh:...I agree, I enjoyed the second episode so much more because I wasn't so sure in the first one who the visitors were and who the Westworld people were and actually I thought Teddy was a visitors at first/the first time he was shot...Thandie Newton was amazing in this episode../the development of her character...she's one of my favourite actresses anyway, so...:lovedup:...also Anthony Hopkins/I'm loving him...:love:..

[kirklancaster]

I am such an avid Brynner and J.J. Abrahams fan, and of the original Westworld film, that I was eagerly looking forward to this series.

I was though, hugely disappointed by the first episode - mainly because it deviated so much from the original film's storyline that it was a little confusing just who were the humans and who were not, and that was immensely distracting.

The second episode was much, much better, and I am beginning to really enjoy this.

I still have a sneaking feeling that the apparent 'protagonist' may yet turn out to be the 'antagonist' and that J.J. may have inverted the storyline - we'll see.

[Lostie!]

..haha, that's exactly what I thought as well about Teddy, that it was almost comical like Kenny...:laugh:...I agree, I enjoyed the second episode so much more because I wasn't so sure in the first one who the visitors were and who the Westworld people were and actually I thought Teddy was a visitors at first/the first time he was shot...Thandie Newton was amazing in this episode../the development of her character...she's one of my favourite actresses anyway, so...:lovedup:...also Anthony Hopkins/I'm loving him...:love:..

Oh yeah Thandie was brilliant, Maeve has been one of the characters I've been most intrigued by so I loved all the focus on her this week :love:

I am such an avid Brynner and J.J. Abrahams fan, and of the original Westworld film, that I was eagerly looking forward to this series.

I was though, hugely disappointed by the first episode - mainly because it deviated so much from the original film's storyline that it was a little confusing just who were the humans and who were not, and that was immensely distracting.

The second episode was much, much better, and I am beginning to really enjoy this.

I still have a sneaking feeling that the apparent 'protagonist' may yet turn out to be the 'antagonist' and that J.J. may have inverted the storyline - we'll see.

I did really enjoy the premiere but yeah I felt like it really got into it's groove in this episode and I loved getting more focus on the other side of things with seeing the experience of the visitors to Westworld etc.

Are you referring to Dolores or William? I could definitely see either (or both) of them going bad :laugh: (and in a show involving both JJ Abrams and Jonathan Nolan we surely have some big twists in store).

[Niamh.]

Oh I didn't realise there was a film, if I watched that would it spoil the show anyway?

[Lostie!]

I wouldn't say so, the show is based on the same general premise but is pretty different on the whole :)

[Lostie!]

I have to say one little aspect of the show I'm not liking is Sizemore (that English storyline creator guy). He's just ****ing annoying in every possible way and the sooner a Host goes haywire and kills him the better :idc:

[Lostie!]

Another cool little featurette HBO have uploaded, "Reality of AI" (with more new footage so if you're not into trailers etc don't watch :laugh:).

I really find thinking about this stuff fascinating.

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2:27 D:

One of the things I'm loving about Westworld most is the video game comparison, both with how interactions with certain Hosts activate particular storylines and also the analogy between what some of the guests do to the Hosts and what people do when playing games like GTA without caring because none of it's real. I think taking a futuristic concept and grounding it in ideas that are recognisable and very current today (albeit in different form) was a really good idea.

[Strictly Jake]

Caught up with this last night it's really good, I mean it's pretty deprived and has a bit too much swearing in for my liking like an unnecessary amount especially when watching it with your parents, but the whole idea of it I really love

[Lostie!]

That scene with younger Anthony Hopkins :flutter:

[Ammi]

Another cool little featurette HBO have uploaded, "Reality of AI" (with more new footage so if you're not into trailers etc don't watch :laugh:).

I really find thinking about this stuff fascinating.

SKTbFwyLuuM

2:27 D:

One of the things I'm loving about Westworld most is the video game comparison, both with how interactions with certain Hosts activate particular storylines and also the analogy between what some of the guests do to the Hosts and what people do when playing games like GTA without caring because none of it's real. I think taking a futuristic concept and grounding it in ideas that are recognisable and very current today (albeit in different form) was a really good idea.

...when you think as well of the original movie and no thought back in the day then could have been of the possibility of computer interactive characters and stories becoming a reality...(there probably hadn't even been colour in movies for that long....)...


...also the reference to Teddy having died thousands of times...yep, he's Kenny...:laugh:..

[Lostie!]

...when you think as well of the original movie and no thought back in the day then could have been of the possibility of computer interactive characters and stories becoming a reality...(there probably hadn't even been colour in movies for that long....)...


...also the reference to Teddy having died thousands of times...yep, he's Kenny...:laugh:..

Oh definitely, the movie was way ahead of it's time :love:

:joker: Poor Teddy. I admit I found it hilarious (in a cruel way) when Dr Ford flat out told him they never even bothered to give him a backstory :laugh: :worry:

[Ammi]

Oh definitely, the movie was way ahead of it's time :love:

:joker: Poor Teddy. I admit I found it hilarious (in a cruel way) when Dr Ford flat out told him they never even bothered to give him a backstory :laugh: :worry:

...:laugh:..I did think about your Kenny comment with those scenes and smiled probably more than I would have....it's fascinating as well really...(not so much the original movie but with the series..)...how they're exploring (some) of the makers actually seeing their projects as human as well.../the guy who was reluctant to make the cut with the knife and kind of winced a bit when Anthony Hopkins did....

[Lostie!]

...:laugh:..I did think about your Kenny comment with those scenes and smiled probably more than I would have....it's fascinating as well really...(not so much the original movie but with the series..)...how they're exploring (some) of the makers actually seeing their projects as human as well.../the guy who was reluctant to make the cut with the knife and kind of winced a bit when Anthony Hopkins did....

Oh I agree, I loved that scene. It would be a bit one-dimensional if all of the Westworld staff were apathetic towards the feelings of the Hosts so I really like that they're having us see that some of them do have reservations about the way they're treated (the same goes for the guests with people like William providing a different representation).

I also find Dr Ford's conflicting attitude towards the Hosts interesting. He has friendly chats over drinks with that old retired cowboy Host and talks about them in a way that suggests respect (and there was that line in the last ep when he alluded to the Hosts forgetting everything as being a mercy for them) but then we had the scene where he didn't feel the undressed Host needed to be covered and cut his face to prove he couldn't feel it. I read a theory that he feels more sympathy for them than he lets on and overcompensates for it (as with the scene with the face cut), I could see that tbh. But yeah, I love how morally ambiguous they've made him.

Also I'm fully a believer of the "Bernard is a Host" theory now (I'm in full conspiracy theory mode, so yes I think his "wife" he was having a video chat with is just part of his storyline) :laugh:

[Ross.]

Ohhhh I like that Bernard theory

(I've caught up now, I'm hooked)

[Lostie!]

Ohhhh I like that Bernard theory

(I've caught up now, I'm hooked)

:clap1: :clap1:

It's really bringing back that Lost vibe for me with how layered and mysterious it all is and how the internet is full of theories :flutter:

Also episode 3 scored the highest ratings of the season so far :clap2:

[Ross.]

I have to say one little aspect of the show I'm not liking is Sizemore (that English storyline creator guy). He's just ****ing annoying in every possible way and the sooner a Host goes haywire and kills him the better :idc:

BYE he's fun :idc:

[Lostie!]

BYE he's fun :idc:

I want him DEAD.

[Ross.]

I love Maeve too

That whole sequence from when she woke up and escaped the operation table was captivating :clap2:

[Ross.]

Also was it just me that **** myself when the stray host picked up the rock or

[Lostie!]

I love Maeve too

That whole sequence from when she woke up and escaped the operation table was captivating :clap2:

Maeve :love:

I love her sardonic, dry comments even when her bar's being ambushed or a dead guy's being tied up outside :joker:

Also was it just me that **** myself when the stray host picked up the rock or

I just thought he was gonna try to kill Elsie and Thor's Brother would stop him in time, a little taken aback when he started beating himself to death :omgno:

Oh and I creased up at that female guest freaking out during the battle, "Oh my ****ING GOD!!!" :laugh2:

The ending with Dolores running up to William and Logan sort of damages the William = Man in Black 30 years ago theory but I'm not abandoning it just let, they could have sneakily shoved in a scene of Dolores running from something else 30 years ago to throw us off (or not and she'd probably have a different role back then but I love the theorising so let me live).

[Ammi]

Oh I agree, I loved that scene. It would be a bit one-dimensional if all of the Westworld staff were apathetic towards the feelings of the Hosts so I really like that they're having us see that some of them do have reservations about the way they're treated (the same goes for the guests with people like William providing a different representation).

I also find Dr Ford's conflicting attitude towards the Hosts interesting. He has friendly chats over drinks with that old retired cowboy Host and talks about them in a way that suggests respect (and there was that line in the last ep when he alluded to the Hosts forgetting everything as being a mercy for them) but then we had the scene where he didn't feel the undressed Host needed to be covered and cut his face to prove he couldn't feel it. I read a theory that he feels more sympathy for them than he lets on and overcompensates for it (as with the scene with the face cut), I could see that tbh. But yeah, I love how morally ambiguous they've made him.

Also I'm fully a believer of the "Bernard is a Host" theory now (I'm in full conspiracy theory mode, so yes I think his "wife" he was having a video chat with is just part of his storyline) :laugh:



..I always overthink these things in my theories...(which is why I'm usually completely wrong...:laugh:..)...but I think that there are very few who aren't hosts/maybe none at all....and the AI is so advanced that it has created and is repairing/reprogramming etc what were the makers...but who are long dead over time...because if it didn't create new then it couldn't sustain either so it has self protected by duplicating...

[Lostie!]

..I always overthink these things in my theories...(which is why I'm usually completely wrong...:laugh:..)...but I think that there are very few who aren't hosts/maybe none at all....and the AI is so advanced that it has created and is repairing/reprogramming etc what were the makers...but who are long dead over time...because if it didn't create new then it couldn't sustain either so it has self protected by duplicating...

I've actually read similar theories elsewhere about everyone being Hosts. And they did reference "management" having an agenda in the first episode so I could definitely see that with all the staff actually being robots and part of an elaborate experiment ran by the higher-ups :laugh:

[Lostie!]

Ooh this is really cool, I never noticed. Someone on Reddit pointed out that an earlier version of Armistice (Hector Escaton's gunslinger partner) seemed to appear in that flashback when Dr Ford was talking about the early days of Westworld

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They also showed her when Ford and Bernard were discussing the Bicameral Mind and how some of the Hosts became "lunatics", since she's a main character who's had very little screen time so far I'd bet this is relevant in the future.

The Host who welcomed William to the park briefly appeared in the same sequence too. I love little things like this that I didn't pick up myself :laugh:

[Tom4784]

I watched the first two episodes and I'm wigless.

[Ross.]

Another fan :clap1:

[Lostie!]

I watched the first two episodes and I'm wigless.

http://i.imgur.com/na2mhNx.gif

[Ammi]

...oooo Dezzy watching..:lovedup:...

[Natalie.]

I'm loving this :flutter:

[Shaun]

Just watched episode one and hmm... it left me a little uncomfortable... in a good way.

It seems quite inspired by several video games - the wavering AI stuff reminds me a lot of Fallout 3 and Bioshock: Infinite.

Quite enjoyed playing "what was he in?" (Beetee from the Hunger Games, that guy from Murder, She Wrote, Karl from Love Actually) but am intrigued by the actresses I didn't know anything of. Not sure I've seen Dolores, Elsie or Theresa in anything before but their characters interest me.

It's just the right mix of unsettling/intriguing. Just hope it doesn't go too mind****y.

[Lostie!]

I actually read that they said they were inspired by Bioshock :laugh: (along with Red Dead Redemption and GTA).

[Shaun]

I was about to say I'm all caught-up now but only seen episode 3. DLing 4 now :ninja2:

Liam Hemsworth's character is irritating and a little pointless atm, not to mention Ben Barnes' and whatever the name of that storyline writer guy is again.

But looking over the plot of the original film and Logan/William seem to be based on the two main 'protagonists' (if you can call Logan that) and I would assume Ed Harris' character is based on the original villain.

Film spoilers:
And if the plot of the film has any play in this I shan't be annoyed with Barnes for much longer :pipe: he gets deaded.

I was originally just disliking him because he reminds me a HELL of a lot of the guy I used to like but yeah then he went a bit mental with that old treasure hunter's hand and yeah **** THAT guy.

Loving Maeve, Elsie and Ford the most. I find the Man in Black intriguing as well but a little bit of a dick.

[Lostie!]

I watched episode 4 earlier. I read a theory on Reddit the other week that Armistice was the snake mentioned in the riddle, cool that it was actually right :clap1:

She's probably the character I'm growing most intrigued by since she's not been at the forefront of the show as of yet but she's clearly going to be important.

The Man in Black knowing Arnold is interesting :think: And the offhand mention of his "foundation", so he's clearly some big businessman in his real life.

[arista]

On Now

[Natalie.]

Another great episode

Loving Maeve

[Lostie!]

Another great episode

Loving Maeve

She's brilliant :love:

I really love the idea of the Hosts interpreting the men in hazmat suits as sinister creatures from another world and that the Native Americans worship them as deities. I assume this means they've been having memories they're not supposed to be having also, I'd guess them remembering the staff entering the park isn't part of their scheduled story :laugh:

The scene with Maeve and Clementine getting shot and the hazmat guys dragging them away was really well done, so unnerving. And Maeve having loads of the same drawing of them :worry:

And since it's a weekly tradition ... POOR TEDDY

:joker: :worry:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ep 4 recorded. Going to watch tomoz

[Shaun]

Saw the reviews for this are almost universally positive except for a couple (mainly 'Variety', whatever that is) that are complaining about the rape scene in the first episode. (Oh and the third I guess since that's the same clip almost). And general 'overuse of gore' as if there's anything more than whatever's in GoT, TWD, AHS and whatever else is dominating television atm.

Like...it didn't even show anything inside the stable? :shrug: barely even dwelled on the idea of her being raped at all. idk what these idiots want film and television to be? "Oh rape never happens nope let's never show it in case it upsets someone".

I'm one of the first to get squeamish at television and film (why I've never really watched the Walking Dead) but I can't say anything in this yet has especially unsettled me in a visceral sense aside from the treasure-hunting old man and the fork. It's much more unsettling in a psychological sense.

[Ammi]

..I started to feel with last night's episode, a bit of The Truman Show type feel as well..obviously that wasn't based on AI but it's that same awakening type thing...

[Natalie.]

She's brilliant :love:

I really love the idea of the Hosts interpreting the men in hazmat suits as sinister creatures from another world and that the Native Americans worship them as deities. I assume this means they've been having memories they're not supposed to be having also, I'd guess them remembering the staff entering the park isn't part of their scheduled story :laugh:

The scene with Maeve and Clementine getting shot and the hazmat guys dragging them away was really well done, so unnerving. And Maeve having loads of the same drawing of them :worry:

And since it's a weekly tradition ... POOR TEDDY

:joker: :worry:


This show is so confusing, I love it

Yes Poor Teddy :laugh:

[Lostie!]

Saw the reviews for this are almost universally positive except for a couple (mainly 'Variety', whatever that is) that are complaining about the rape scene in the first episode. (Oh and the third I guess since that's the same clip almost). And general 'overuse of gore' as if there's anything more than whatever's in GoT, TWD, AHS and whatever else is dominating television atm.

Like...it didn't even show anything inside the stable? :shrug: barely even dwelled on the idea of her being raped at all. idk what these idiots want film and television to be? "Oh rape never happens nope let's never show it in case it upsets someone".

I'm one of the first to get squeamish at television and film (why I've never really watched the Walking Dead) but I can't say anything in this yet has especially unsettled me in a visceral sense aside from the treasure-hunting old man and the fork. It's much more unsettling in a psychological sense.

Yeah, just some of the same old typical "Oh look at me I'm morally outraged" nonsense. They showed absolutely nothing in the implied rape scene, to the point where it's been theorised that he might not have even raped her in the first place. That's how unexplicit (idk if that's a word) and ambiguous it was so anyone claiming the show is being overly graphic is talking crap :laugh:

I've seen a few other people say it's boring etc. It's slow paced but in a good way I feel, they're taking the time to establish the world and the characters and to actually let the story develop. I haven't felt bored once.

I'm just glad the vast majority of reviews have been really positive, it's one of the most genuinely intriguing and compelling shows I've watched in a while. My favourite thing on TV atm actually.

[Crimson Dynamo]

woo hoo i have bake off and then WW to watch tonite

classic combo

:flutter:

[Lostie!]

So while it hasn't been officially renewed for a second season yet the HBO boss did say this

You haven’t renewed “Westworld” yet. What’s going on there?

I want to get a very complete picture of the ratings, which seem to be doing very well, so we’re happy with that. [The executive producers are] going to talk to us about what they envision a second season being. But right now I would say it’s looking really good. We’re very pleased with how it’s doing.

:fc:

[Headie]

Just caught up with all episodes and I have to say it's brilliant so far, I'm not really into Western shows but I like the unique twist this one has :clap1:

[Shaun]

I'd be surprised if they don't follow the theme of the film and have each series set in a different "world" (think I read about there being a medieval one and a Roman empire one?) but then that seems a bit American Horror Story.

[Lostie!]

Just caught up with all episodes and I have to say it's brilliant so far, I'm not really into Western shows but I like the unique twist this one has :clap1:

:clap2:

I'd be surprised if they don't follow the theme of the film and have each series set in a different "world" (think I read about there being a medieval one and a Roman empire one?) but then that seems a bit American Horror Story.

I was open to them introducing more worlds but I'm now getting the impression that Westworld is the only one in this version.

I'd still be here for more worlds if they could work them in but I'd still want the story to continue on from the first season rather than going down a more anthological route.

[Shaun]

Yeah I guess the idea of Ford devoting as much time and fondness to this world only to then go on and be like "right, then, what's happening in MedievalWorld today? :) :)" at the start of season two does sound...unlikely.

[Lostie!]

Yeah I guess the idea of Ford devoting as much time and fondness to this world only to then go on and be like "right, then, what's happening in MedievalWorld today? :) :)" at the start of season two does sound...unlikely.

:joker:

George RR Martin wants a crossover so I'm here for Westerosworld next year.

[JTM45]

I'm absolutely loving the show so far!!!!:love:
The acting and dialogue (for the most part) is great. I love Thandie Newton and Evan Rachel Wood as actors and i'm finding both of their characters really interesting.

I was a big fan of the original film so was really looking forward to this being given the HBO treatment.
Sadly they didn't do so well with the sequel film 'Futureworld' (no Michael Crichton involvement) and the original spin-off TV series, 'Beyond Westworld' which was cancelled after only three of the five filmed episodes were aired.

I actually thought the basic idea of 'Beyond Westworld' was an interesting one where the 'Evil Scientist' placed various androids/bots in prime positions (a crew member on a Nuclear Sub in the first episode and similar things in the other eps.) with the ultimate aim of taking over the World (ha, ha, ha, haaa!!!:laugh:).

Being a massive fan of Space and Inter-Planetary based Sci-Fi i always thought i'd have liked to have seen a 'Future World' spin-off series where they were inserted into a virtual holo-environment (kinda' like they did on the Holo-Deck on that one Trek spin-off series (was it 'TNG' or 'DS9' ?) so they could have gone off on Spacecraft and had some crazy inter-species battling and stuff. So much potential adventures!!!!!:laugh:

I think the producers said that they've 'roughed out' a basic storyline for 5 Seasons of Westworld already so i hope they carry on getting the funding and viewers to take it all the way!
I get the feeling that we could well see some of them making it out of the Park into the 'Real' World which could get interesting (i also loved the film 'The Island' which kind-of touches on that sort of stuff).

Glad to see plenty of other people are enjoying the show as much as i am! :thumbs:

[Lostie!]

Loved episode 5.

The Man in Black and Ford finally having a scene together :clap1: William abandoning Logan :clap1: The Ford / Dolores scene :love: (so the voice she keeps hearing is Arnold? I like it), the ending scene :flutter:

The promo for the upcoming episodes looks so bloody good. I'm especially excited since we're officially entering the back half now so I think it's all about to kick off :flutter:

[Ammi]

Loved episode 5.

The Man in Black and Ford finally having a scene together :clap1: William abandoning Logan :clap1: The Ford / Dolores scene :love: (so the voice she keeps hearing is Arnold? I like it), the ending scene :flutter:

The promo for the upcoming episodes looks so bloody good. I'm especially excited since we're officially entering the back half now so I think it's all about to kick off :flutter:

..yeah I loved that scene also..:love:..in the movie the man in black../the gunslinger was the all out bad guy but I have a feeling that his character will have so many shades in the storyline of the series.../actually I think all characters will and have which is a big thing that I love about it as well.../the complications of the characters that I think is going to be...

[Natalie.]

Loved episode 5.

The Man in Black and Ford finally having a scene together :clap1: William abandoning Logan :clap1: The Ford / Dolores scene :love: (so the voice she keeps hearing is Arnold? I like it), the ending scene :flutter:

The promo for the upcoming episodes looks so bloody good. I'm especially excited since we're officially entering the back half now so I think it's all about to kick off :flutter:

Yeah I loved their scene together
William :love:

Can't wait for the rest of the episodes.

[Lostie!]

..yeah I loved that scene also..:love:..in the movie the man in black../the gunslinger was the all out bad guy but I have a feeling that his character will have so many shades in the storyline of the series.../actually I think all characters will and have which is a big thing that I love about it as well.../the complications of the characters that I think is going to be...

Yeah I love that they've taken the concept of the movie but fleshed it out so much and added so many extra layers and dimensions to it.

Yeah I loved their scene together
William :love:

Can't wait for the rest of the episodes.

Here's the trailer for them if you're interested :spin:

Looks ridiculously good :love:

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Looks like Clementine's killing a staff member so it seems they finally break out of those "can't kill humans" limits which seemed to be starting in the last episode with that guy strangling Logan. And I remember a shot of Hector killing one of the lab technicians in another trailer (I assume that's who's uniform he's wearing when he, Maeve and Armistice are walking down the hallway in staff uniforms which btw looks so cool :laugh: :flutter:).

[Lostie!]

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:laugh2: :worry:

[arista]

After watching last weeks episode
I would want a Dolores
as its Tough.

i like Tough women.

I also like that Worker /Fixer Behavior Women
who found out the Necro fecker (Butcher worker)
dirty sod.


10 Out Of 10

[Lostie!]

Random but the Westworld IMDB page has been really cool today

http://i.imgur.com/T15xBRp.jpg

(the clouds move and the IMDB logo spins when you hover the cursor over it :flutter:)

Will watch episode 6 either tonight or tomorrow, from what I've heard it was a really good one (again) :spin:

[Lostie!]

Episode 6 was SO good :clap1: :clap1: Best yet by far imo

Everything with Maeve was of course brilliant. Loved Felix just spilling the beans about everything (I hope the Hosts spare him when they inevitably start massacring people), that line when he said he's a human and Maeve replied "How do you know?" was so good. And him showing her round the facilities was haunting, especially when she was passing the dead and bloody Hosts being hosed down.

Her having her intelligence raised and her loyalty lowered is gonna be a good combination :devil:

Ford having robot recreations of his childhood was a neat reveal. I already figured the little boy was a robot version of himself as a child but I didn't anticipate him having his whole family and home out there too.

Theresa being involved in the espionage was a really good twist, really intrigued to find out what she's all about now.

The Arnold mystery is so intriguing right now. Definitely can't wait to see how that all unravels.

I'm also more convinced than ever that Bernard is a robot. If "I've been here forever" wasn't foreshadowing I'll eat my metaphorical hat :wink:

Oh and this is so cool, I didn't even notice it

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It's Yul Brynner from the original movie :amazed:

[Lostie!]

So did anyone else watch the best episode yet or what

https://media.giphy.com/media/Emg9qPKR5hquI/giphy.gif

[Natalie.]

Oops no will watch the weekend

[Lostie!]

Oops no will watch the weekend

If you don't, one morning you'll wake up, and you won't be in your bed. You'll be outside the walls far, far away tied to a tree. And you'll scream and scream because you'll be so afraid. No one will come to help because no one will hear you. Well, something will hear you. The monsters will come. The ones out there. And you won't be able to run away when they come for you. And they will tear you apart and eat you up all while you're still alive. All while you can still feel it. And then afterwards, no one will ever know what happened to you. Or you can promise to watch Westworld episode 6 soon and then nothing will happen. And you'll get cookies. Lots of cookies. I know what I think you should do.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/09/2674C35E00000578-2985857-Our_secret_Carol_threatened_a_boy_who_caught_her_r ed_handed_on_S-a-17_1425873828134.jpg

[Natalie.]

If you don't, one morning you'll wake up, and you won't be in your bed. You'll be outside the walls far, far away tied to a tree. And you'll scream and scream because you'll be so afraid. No one will come to help because no one will hear you. Well, something will hear you. The monsters will come. The ones out there. And you won't be able to run away when they come for you. And they will tear you apart and eat you up all while you're still alive. All while you can still feel it. And then afterwards, no one will ever know what happened to you. Or you can promise to watch Westworld episode 6 soon and then nothing will happen. And you'll get cookies. Lots of cookies. I know what I think you should do.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/09/2674C35E00000578-2985857-Our_secret_Carol_threatened_a_boy_who_caught_her_r ed_handed_on_S-a-17_1425873828134.jpg


:laugh2::laugh2:

I watched it earlier, give me cookies please :laugh:
My favourite episode so far

Maeve :love:
That Felix and Maeve scene :love:

[Natalie.]

I was thinking that about Bernard being a robot too

[Lostie!]

:laugh2::laugh2:

I watched it earlier, give me cookies please :laugh:
My favourite episode so far

Maeve :love:
That Felix and Maeve scene :love:

https://usathea.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/twd_612_gp_0930_0288-rt.jpg?w=1000&h=662

Us shipping Maelix? (it's okay since she's self aware now :hee:)

I was thinking that about Bernard being a robot too

I'm so convinced of this now :laugh:

[Natalie.]

https://usathea.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/twd_612_gp_0930_0288-rt.jpg?w=1000&h=662

Us shipping Maelix? (it's okay since she's self aware now :hee:)



I'm so convinced of this now :laugh:

Thank you Carol.

Yeaah here for Maelix, just hope he doesn't get killed :laugh:

Would love it to be right (Bernard)

[Lostie!]

Thank you Carol.

Yeaah here for Maelix, just hope he doesn't get killed :laugh:

Would love it to be right (Bernard)

I reckon Maeve will kill him as soon as he's done everything she wants since she had her loyalty lowered :worry:

[Natalie.]

I reckon Maeve will kill him as soon as he's done everything she wants since she had her loyalty lowered :worry:

Maelix never stood a chance

[Lostie!]

Maelix never stood a chance

Hector would never allow it anyway </3

[Lostie!]

Episode 7 is being hyped up on Twitter by the cast and HBO as a big one so my already high expectations are even higher now :spin:

[Ammi]

...ughhh Lostie, hold me...I finally got around to watching a catch up of this week's episode last night because I haven't had time to keep up this week...but I fell asleep and only saw a small bit...:sad:...Maeve though, I'm quite falling in love with her, I loved her storyline this week../well the bit I saw anyway...I also love how they're showing balance to the man in black's character and also was that a whole episode without Kenny getting killed or did I miss that..?..and the reverse contrast to Anthony Hopkins character in that he felt a bit creepy../a bit darker...I'll have to try to do a catch up again before the next episode...

[Lostie!]

...ughhh Lostie, hold me...I finally got around to watching a catch up of this week's episode last night because I haven't had time to keep up this week...but I fell asleep and only saw a small bit...:sad:...Maeve though, I'm quite falling in love with her, I loved her storyline this week../well the bit I saw anyway...I also love how they're showing balance to the man in black's character and also was that a whole episode without Kenny getting killed or did I miss that..?..and the reverse contrast to Anthony Hopkins character in that he felt a bit creepy../a bit darker...I'll have to try to do a catch up again before the next episode...

Yeah I'm so into Maeve's whole story, such a good character :love:

I just watched episode 7

Really cool to have the Bernard theory confirmed, the clues were there so I was hoping they'd do it. Ford having him murder Theresa though :omgno: I've read a theory that Ford will have a robot version of Theresa created (perhaps the one that was being made during that scene) to cover up her death. I'd like this since it would keep Sidse Babett Knudsen around (and the idea of Ford having people killed and secretly replacing them with robot clones is terrifying Body Snatcher levels of sinister so I'd love it :laugh:). Also I haven't seen Futureworld but I believe that's part of the plot so it would be a cool reference to the lesser-known sequel :laugh:

Clementine being lobotomized :sad: I hope she isn't gone for good :worry:

Maeve slamming the piano shut was such a brilliant little moment in reflecting how she's truly done with living out that same loop. I can't wait for the Maevolution :flutter: :clap1:

Ford is so sinister at this point but I absolutely love him, such a compelling character. I've had a bad feeling all season that he'll die in the finale just because I'm not sure how long Anthony Hopkins will want to stick around in a continuing TV series in the event that it gets a second season but I really hope not.

[Firewire]

Renewed for s2

[Lostie!]

Omg finally :amazed: :worship: :love:

Although

Westworld may not return until 2018 as HBO renews the show for a second season

http://i.imgur.com/U4rpuwB.gif

Still, I'll take that over cancellation :laugh:

Have you been watching, Jonathan?

[Firewire]

Not yet but I've downloaded them all

Just haven't had a chance to sit down and watch

[arista]

I love Barnard.

[Ammi]

Yeah I'm so into Maeve's whole story, such a good character :love:

I just watched episode 7

Really cool to have the Bernard theory confirmed, the clues were there so I was hoping they'd do it. Ford having him murder Theresa though :omgno: I've read a theory that Ford will have a robot version of Theresa created (perhaps the one that was being made during that scene) to cover up her death. I'd like this since it would keep Sidse Babett Knudsen around (and the idea of Ford having people killed and secretly replacing them with robot clones is terrifying Body Snatcher levels of sinister so I'd love it :laugh:). Also I haven't seen Futureworld but I believe that's part of the plot so it would be a cool reference to the lesser-known sequel :laugh:

Clementine being lobotomized :sad: I hope she isn't gone for good :worry:

Maeve slamming the piano shut was such a brilliant little moment in reflecting how she's truly done with living out that same loop. I can't wait for the Maevolution :flutter: :clap1:

Ford is so sinister at this point but I absolutely love him, such a compelling character. I've had a bad feeling all season that he'll die in the finale just because I'm not sure how long Anthony Hopkins will want to stick around in a continuing TV series in the event that it gets a second season but I really hope not.



..(I didn't read your spoiler yet Lostie...but that whole walk through with Maeve showed the kind of 'changing places' really of the hosts and the creators...you could see emotion in Maeve, she's showing sadness and she's showing feeling yet she is incapable because she's the artificial and the emotionless..?..an we've seen the creators through this just cutting through what looks like real human flesh and stripping off clothing that others have tried to 'cover modesty' and becoming emotionlessly robotic about those who look in every way human.../I mean with that type of AI advancement and looking in every way human, we would also associate human to them as well in so many ways...of for instance, of this doesn't feel right to be cutting into these bodies and brains etc...

[Niamh.]

I was thinking that about Bernard being a robot too

Yeah me too. He was the only one having flash backs and "calls to a wife" like the hosts

What bothered me was Ford had an English accent as a kid, he now has a Welsh accent but his dad has a Scottish accent.

Also, I want to point out Maeve is an Irish name :hee:

[Lostie!]

..(I didn't read your spoiler yet Lostie...but that whole walk through with Maeve showed the kind of 'changing places' really of the hosts and the creators...you could see emotion in Maeve, she's showing sadness and she's showing feeling yet she is incapable because she's the artificial and the emotionless..?..an we've seen the creators through this just cutting through what looks like real human flesh and stripping off clothing that others have tried to 'cover modesty' and becoming emotionlessly robotic about those who look in every way human.../I mean with that type of AI advancement and looking in every way human, we would also associate human to them as well in so many ways...of for instance, of this doesn't feel right to be cutting into these bodies and brains etc...

Yeah that's a great analogy tbh, and it's a great way of really making you root for the Hosts. Even the ones who play a more villainous role in the park, I still feel for them because they're only doing what they're being made to do rather than being malicious by choice like a lot of the humans are.

Yeah me too. He was the only one having flash backs and "calls to a wife" like the hosts

What bothered me was Ford had an English accent as a kid, he now has a Welsh accent but his dad has a Scottish accent.

Also, I want to point out Maeve is an Irish name :hee:

I always thought Ford's accent was English (I know Anthony Hopkins is Welsh but I thought he was doing an English accent in this) :laugh:

[Ammi]

Yeah that's a great analogy tbh, and it's a great way of really making you root for the Hosts. Even the ones who play a more villainous role in the park, I still feel for them because they're only doing what they're being made to do rather than being malicious by choice like a lot of the humans are.





..yeah, you can't dislike them really because they're programmed in their actions but it's interesting how it's starting to turn and how they're starting to have 'memories' and how they're attaching and associating human emotion with those memories, like sadness and loss etc...in contrast to very little emotion being shown with the creators...that scene where he covered her up showed a respect and emotion but then it was just stripped away very coldly and more 'robotic' being starting to be shown by the creators as they're starting to become each other and the opposite of what is meant to be, I think...do you think also Lostie that it has a touch of The Truman Show with it as well...it's really reminding me a lot of that as well and one of my favourite movies of all time...

[Niamh.]

Yeah that's a great analogy tbh, and it's a great way of really making you root for the Hosts. Even the ones who play a more villainous role in the park, I still feel for them because they're only doing what they're being made to do rather than being malicious by choice like a lot of the humans are.



I always thought Ford's accent was English (I know Anthony Hopkins is Welsh but I thought he was doing an English accent in this) :laugh:

Oh Anthony can't hide his Welshness too well then :laugh:

[Lostie!]

..yeah, you can't dislike them really because they're programmed in their actions but it's interesting how it's starting to turn and how they're starting to have 'memories' and how they're attaching and associating human emotion with those memories, like sadness and loss etc...in contrast to very little emotion being shown with the creators...that scene where he covered her up showed a respect and emotion but then it was just stripped away very coldly and more 'robotic' being starting to be shown by the creators as they're starting to become each other and the opposite of what is meant to be, I think...do you think also Lostie that it has a touch of The Truman Show with it as well...it's really reminding me a lot of that as well and one of my favourite movies of all time...

I've only seen bits and pieces of The Truman Show but from what I know of it, it definitely seems reminiscent for sure with people unknowingly living out a fiction and being watched at all times. I believe Ed Harris was in that movie too so that's a nice little crossover :laugh:

[Lostie!]

This little video they released with the Season 2 renewal is so odd :laugh: :worry:

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[user104658]

I've only seen bits and pieces of The Truman Show but from what I know of it, it definitely seems reminiscent for sure with people unknowingly living out a fiction and being watched at all times. I believe Ed Harris was in that movie too so that's a nice little crossover :laugh:

The Truman Show is an absolute must see IMO, get it downloaded :joker:. It's one that I always assume everyone must have seen. Like when I found out last year that my wife (who I have been with nearly a decade) had never seen The Goonies :worry:. It's like I didn't know her at all.

[Lostie!]

*hasn't seen The Goonies either* :whistle:

Definitely will watch The Truman Show in full sometime though, the whole concept is something I'd probably love.

[arista]

Westworld renewed for season two after year hiatus
http://news.sky.com/story/westworld-renewed-for-season-two-after-year-hiatus-10658440


Sorry if already posted


Life In The Fast Lane

[Lostie!]

The year break is a shame but I shouldn't be surprised, the pilot was filmed 2 years ago :joker:

If they want to take the extra time to make the show as good as possible then it's worth it I suppose, a return in 2 years is better than none at all :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Was that the last episode just gone? :o

[Lostie!]

No :joker: 3 left and then no more until 2018 though.

Have you seen episode 7?

[Niamh.]

Oh you gave me a fright there :laugh: 2 year wait though? whaaaat?

Yeah i watched Ep 7, I could see that coming with Bernard, his flash backs were a give away I think. Maeve :worship:

[Lostie!]

I've read another theory that Bernard is a physical recreation of Arnold and the scenes of his secret chats with Dolores are actually flashbacks of Arnold. The room he's in when he's talking to Dolores is pretty identical to the room Theresa died in and people have pointed out that when Ford showed him the picture of him and Arnold, the second man actually looked like Ford's father and there was a part of the picture obscured, if Bernard was modeled after Arnold then he physically wouldn't be able to see him in the picture.

And it's been mentioned more than once that Bernard wasn't there when the first generation Hosts and Arnold were, maybe because he was only made after Arnold died because he's based on him? :think:

[Niamh.]

I've read another theory that Bernard is a physical recreation of Arnold and the scenes of his secret chats with Dolores are actually flashbacks of Arnold. The room he's in when he's talking to Dolores is pretty identical to the room Theresa died in and people have pointed out that when Ford showed him the picture of him and Arnold, the second man actually looked like Ford's father and there was a part of the picture obscured, if Bernard was modeled after Arnold then he physically wouldn't be able to see him in the picture.

And it's been mentioned more than once that Bernard wasn't there when the first generation Hosts and Arnold were, maybe because he was only made after Arnold died because he's based on him? :think:

Oh interesting :think: I didn't really notice that about the room

[Lostie!]

Neither did I tbh, I have Reddit to thank for all of my theories :joker:

http://imgur.com/a/nTfG3

Bernard did say there are more like it around the facility so it could be put down to that but, when combined with the other things I honestly think it was an intentional clue. And another I just thought of, we've had those mentions of Bernard not being around during the early days but then Bernard had that joke with Elsie when he said "Like you say, I've been here forever". In a way, he sort of has if he's based on one of the founders of Westworld :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Oh it looks exactly like it, you're right :think: I wonder if Arnold lost his son in real life too and they are his real memories

[Lostie!]

Ooh that's a good thought actually! There must be a reason Ford gave him the memories he did. :think:

Oh btw, Bernard Lowe is apparently an anagram of Arnold Weber :laugh: (I didn't initially put much stock on this because that could have very well been a coincidence or an intentional red herring and we don't even know Arnold's surname yet but since the Bernard = a host theory came true, and combined with the other possible clues, I'm seeing it as a real possibility now).

[Niamh.]

Oh that's clever, I was only thinking Arnold and Bernard are not dis similar :laugh:

[Lostie!]

I don't know how people spot these little things. All this crazy theorizing is one of the things I love about this show so much :laugh:

[Ammi]

..I finally caught up and watched the last episode...wow, a great ending..I'm still loving that kind of flipping of creators and hosts as well, that tear from Maeve as she saw Clementine...:sad:..while the creators carrying out the lobotomy and seeming less feeling of emotion as humans.../just loving everything about this series...:love:..

[Niamh.]

Maeve is by far the best character, what's going to become of her now though? :worry: Dolores is just annoying

[Lostie!]

..I finally caught up and watched the last episode...wow, a great ending..I'm still loving that kind of flipping of creators and hosts as well, that tear from Maeve as she saw Clementine...:sad:..while the creators carrying out the lobotomy and seeming less feeling of emotion as humans.../just loving everything about this series...:love:..

That's one of the deviations from the movie I love the most, how the Hosts have been fleshed out as characters in their own rights and all the moral questions that come with it. I really enjoyed the movie but I have to say I'm far preferring the TV series for how much deeper and more complex it is (all the cryptic mysteries really call to the Lost fan in me :laugh:), rather than it being a standard story of robots going haywire and killing the guests.

I watched episode 8 last night. Once again a fantastic episode :clap1: (I'd lie if I said I wasn't confused because I definitely am but in a good way :laugh:).

It's mainly Dolores' story that I'm most confused by with the little visions she keeps having :laugh: It was cool to see the flashback from the park's early days again but this time to find out it was from Dolores' PoV (and I never even noticed Maeve in the background of that scene the first time around).

After the Host who greeted William showed up in the park and the Man in Black recognised her, I was back on board with the William = MiB theory but I'm still not sure if they're gonna do it. I had read a theory that her scenes with William were indeed taking place 30 years ago (during an earlier awakening she had due to the influence of Arnold) and those brief shots of her alone are actually her present-day.

I do think there are at least two separate timelines at play. I'm still convinced the Dolores / Bernard scenes are in the past and "Bernard" in those scenes is actually Arnold and the two different Westworld logos seen throughout the show is another hint. But then, the logo that seems to be the older one is seen when William arrives, and if the logos are significant then that definitely places his story in the past so he could be the Man in Black after all. UNLESS there's a huge swerve and the logo we think is the modern day one is actually the past one and vice versa.

MY HEAD D: :joker:

On a less mind melting note, I like Talulah Riley (Angela, the Host who greeted Wiliam) so I'm liking her role turning out to be a little bigger than expected. Her being revealed as a Wyatt follower was a cool twist.

Maeve remains amazing :love: When she was literally dictating the story around her :flutter: Cracked up at Armistice noticing the Sheriff tip his hat to her and shooting him anyway :laugh2:

As heartbreaking as Clementine being replaced is, I couldn't help but love the meta aspect of a character in a story noticing one of the the roles has been recast :laugh:

[Shaun]

Just watching episode seven now.

Clementine going H.A.M. on the random asian bodyguard. :clap1:

:omgno: Bernard :omgno: THERESA :omgno:

[arista]

Just watching episode seven now.

Clementine going H.A.M. on the random asian bodyguard. :clap1:

:omgno: Bernard :omgno: THERESA :omgno:



Westworld better than Humans.



I am Pleased you cannot 2nd guess it all.

With 5.1 sound its a 10 Outta 10 Series

[Shaun]

I do like Evan Rachel Wood but she's far too similar to Anna Paquin in True Blood to take seriously/sexually. That constant confused voice.

Maeve any day.

[arista]

Maeve is by far the best character, what's going to become of her now though? :worry: Dolores is just annoying


http://cdn3-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2016/09/westworld3.jpg

But Dolores
is a Sexy Robot.

I would........

[Shaun]

well :omgno:

Just watched episode eight and it confused me, really. And I'm worried I'm tiring of the show already... everything seems to be boiled down to just Ford and his machinations and I'm not sure that's a premise big enough to interest me in the long run? Like every possible emotional following point now has either already been exposed as an orchestration by him (Bernard, Dolores), or I'm constantly thinking is secretly down to him (Maeve, William, The Man in Black). I guess this is why I never bothered getting into Lost, I kept hearing bad things about the need for a mystery being greater than the story being told.

It seems to be killing off surplus (female) characters (sort-of growing to understand those negative reviews... it's a bit formulaic now, just bash the woman's head in, strangle her, blah blah blah) that're sort of interesting to me (ALL THE WHILE KEEPING OBNOXIOUS ****HEADS WITH NO TANGIBLE STORYLINE VALUE. SIZEMORE. LOGAN. SYLVESTER.)... I should imagine Charlotte will go the same way soon :idc:

I don't know, I'm enjoying the concepts the show are throwing about but not so much...the show itself, the past few episodes. For once, I agree with the AV Club :worry:

“Trace Decay” didn’t need to be about Bernard’s efforts to cover his tracks, but it’s mark of how Westworld has struggled to deliver as an episodic TV show that this introduction and casual discard of a potentially strong hook is as disappointing as it is. Wanting to know the answers isn’t the same as crafting a well-rounded narrative—it’s the reason we don’t weep over crosswords. The show hasn’t completely failed to deliver interesting characters, but it has done an inconsistent job at finding ways to make those characters matter as more than just pieces in the machine.

[arista]

"Just watched episode eight and it confused me, really."


Feck Me ..... Shaun
Its Utter Bliss


Its logical that robots
will be given fake memory's
like Blade Runner (1080P BOX SET)
and Soon
Blade Runner 2

[Lostie!]

I do get why it wouldn't be totally working for everyone because of the whole style of the show and the overly cryptic nature of it all right now but yeah I absolutely love it, this sort of stuff 100% appeals to me :laugh: But of course I will need it all to be clearer by the season's end, I definitely want the mysterious nature to carry over into season 2 but with new mysteries, I want the stuff with Arnold and Dolores etc to all be clearer by the time season 1 comes to a close and I will be disappointed if the season ends with little clarification on those things.

I don't think Elsie is actually dead tbh, I'll be very surprised if she is. I'm a firm believer of "Well if you don't see a body..." :laugh: (and since they're trying to point you towards thinking she's dead, that just makes me even more confident that she isn't).

[Niamh.]

I'm enjoying it too Lostie but getting back to a point Shaun made about heaping on the mysteries like they in Lost, i do hope they don't go down that road. That always pissed me off about Lost, they never really answered most of those "mysteries" or they just made no sense, it was clearly just to keep people watching

[Lostie!]

I'm enjoying it too Lostie but getting back to a point Shaun made about heaping on the mysteries like they in Lost, i do hope they don't go down that road. That always pissed me off about Lost, they never really answered most of those "mysteries" or they just made no sense, it was clearly just to keep people watching

To be fair I think they answered more than they get credit for (and it gets a lot of flack for "making it up as it went along" but they foreshadowed the whole show's endgame from the very first episode so I completely believe they knew where they were going but of course everything in between would have come along the way) but yeah I do think there were cases where they added stuff for the sake of mystery and didn't know exactly where to go with them. It always pissed me off that they never showed who was shooting from the other outrigger during the time travel in Season 5 :idc:

I have faith though because it's Jonathan Nolan and he was responsible for Person of Interest which was absolutely brilliant, one of the most underrated shows ever :love:

[Niamh.]

To be fair I think they answered more than they get credit for (and it gets a lot of flack for "making it up as it went along" but they foreshadowed the whole show's endgame from the very first episode so I completely believe they knew where they were going but of course everything in between would have come along the way) but yeah I do think there were cases where they added stuff for the sake of mystery and didn't know exactly where to go with them. It always pissed me off that they never showed who was shooting from the other outrigger during the time travel in Season 5 :idc:

I have faith though because it's Jonathan Nolan and he was responsible for Person of Interest which was absolutely brilliant, one of the most underrated shows ever :love:

Oh Person of Interest is one i was considering starting actually, you recommend then?

regarding Lost,

I half agree with you about them knowing how they were going to end it. I think they were planning on ending it with them being in purgatory and having all died in the crash but I think they diverted from that because for one everyone figured it out pretty quick and also because they wanted to drag it out alot longer then they'd planned because it got so successful.

One thing that annoyed me was that Temple stuff, what was that all about? And why of all people bring Sayid back from the dead?

[Lostie!]

Oh Person of Interest is one i was considering starting actually, you recommend then?

regarding Lost,

I half agree with you about them knowing how they were going to end it. I think they were planning on ending it with them being in purgatory and having all died in the crash but I think they diverted from that because for one everyone figured it out pretty quick and also because they wanted to drag it out alot longer then they'd planned because it got so successful.

One thing that annoyed me was that Temple stuff, what was that all about? And why of all people bring Sayid back from the dead?

Yeah I loved it. If you do start it, it might not grab you at first but most people agree it's a show that got heaps better as it progressed. It's a combination of most episodes at first having a standalone case and also an ongoing storyline gradually progressing but the ongoing story is really really interesting and only grows in prominence as the show goes on. And Michael Emerson (Ben from Lost) is the lead so there's enough reason right there to watch :spin:

And with Lost, yeah I didn't love how it got more mystical and fantasy at the end and the stuff with the Temple water and Sayid and Claire going evil with this "sickness" and why the Man in Black couldn't attack the Temple was never clear tbh :laugh:

I preferred the more science fiction aspects with The Dharma Initiative so yeah I do think it went a little off track by the final season but it's still my favourite show ever :laugh:

But the scene in the Pilot with Locke explaining backgammon and his speech about "two players, one is light, one is dark" was really nice foreshadowing of Jacob and the Man in Black, I certainly don't think they knew exactly what they were gonna do with that at the time but they have said they at least knew those two sides were going to be represented by two people eventually and I believe that much.

[user104658]

Oh Person of Interest is one i was considering starting actually, you recommend then?

regarding Lost,

I half agree with you about them knowing how they were going to end it. I think they were planning on ending it with them being in purgatory and having all died in the crash but I think they diverted from that because for one everyone figured it out pretty quick and also because they wanted to drag it out alot longer then they'd planned because it got so successful.

One thing that annoyed me was that Temple stuff, what was that all about? And why of all people bring Sayid back from the dead?

Do we really still need spoiler tags for Lost? :joker: Anyway...

I agree that it was probably their plan from the beginning for it to be purgatory but in my opinion, it was obvious from near the beginning (after everyone figured it out) that to keep the suspense they not only decided to steer people away from that conclusion... but actually decided NOT to go in that direction, instead genuinely writing it as science fiction rather than pseudo-religion. And I think while it was on that track, it was actually a better show going in a better direction. Then they couldn't figure out how to conclude it so they THEN said "let's just do the Purgatory thing"... which, tbqfh, after several seasons going in another direction, no longer made much sense at all.

They should either have stuck with the changed direction... or just accepted in the first place that people had figured out the "purgatory" angle and kept with it, exploring the nature of purgatory and what it all means. Who would move on, is it possible to find a way back, the personal journies experienced there, etc...

[Lostie!]

Do we really still need spoiler tags for Lost? :joker: Anyway...

I agree that it was probably their plan from the beginning for it to be purgatory but in my opinion, it was obvious from near the beginning (after everyone figured it out) that to keep the suspense they not only decided to steer people away from that conclusion... but actually decided NOT to go in that direction, instead genuinely writing it as science fiction rather than pseudo-religion. And I think while it was on that track, it was actually a better show going in a better direction. Then they couldn't figure out how to conclude it so they THEN said "let's just do the Purgatory thing"... which, tbqfh, after several seasons going in another direction, no longer made much sense at all.

They should either have stuck with the changed direction... or just accepted in the first place that people had figured out the "purgatory" angle and kept with it, exploring the nature of purgatory and what it all means. Who would move on, is it possible to find a way back, the personal journies experienced there, etc...

Well you never know if someone is planning on starting the show, I'd only feel right talking about the ending without tags in an actual Lost thread :laugh:

I do get all that tbh, as I say there are gripes I totally agree with but I do also think it gets more flack than it deserves in some regards like people saying "Oh they were dead all along" when the finale quite clearly pointed out that they weren't at all. I think there are genuine, valid issues with the show (as you and Niamh have addressed) that sometimes get lost (lol) among a lot of generic moaning about things that aren't actually true because criticising the Lost ending has become a very popular thing to do. Like I zone out as soon as someone says "the Island was Purgatory" or "literally nothing was answered". :worry:

But with Westworld they have said they have like 5 seasons mapped out in advance so I like to think they know exactly where they plan on going with it and already know the outcomes to the mysteries they've set up (even if they don't get that far). I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise anyway :laugh:

[user104658]

Well you never know if someone is planning on starting the show, I'd only feel right talking about the ending without tags in an actual Lost thread :laugh:

I do get all that tbh, as I say there are gripes I totally agree with but I do also think it gets more flack than it deserves in some regards like people saying "Oh they were dead all along" when the finale quite clearly pointed out that they weren't at all. I think there are genuine, valid issues with the show (as you and Niamh have addressed) that sometimes get lost (lol) among a lot of generic moaning about things that aren't actually true because criticising the Lost ending has become a very popular thing to do. Like I zone out as soon as someone says "the Island was Purgatory" or "literally nothing was answered". :worry:

But with Westworld they have said they have like 5 seasons mapped out in advance so I like to think they know exactly where they plan on going with it and already know the outcomes to the mysteries they've set up (even if they don't get that far). I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise anyway :laugh:

I think the problem with Lost, and a lot of the "earlier" shows with grand concepts and over-arching plots actually, was that they didn't start out with a clear idea of how many seasons they were going to be running for, so they didn't know how to pace the story and ended up having to create "filler content" in the middle, only to then have to slightly rush the final seasons. There are a greater number of shows with these large season-and-whole-show spanning plots these days and they've learned to at least aim for an end date ("We're aiming for 5/6/7 seasons") and they have proper 1st/2nd/3rd "acts" planned. Lost was really one of the first to negotiate that, I believe, it was sort of a big thing when they and the network announced I think in '07(?) that a full deal had been agreed with the network and it was DEFINITELY going to end in 2010... rather than renewals being indefinite hand in hand with ratings which just wouldn't have worked for a show like Lost. It would either have waffled on for years, or been cancelled at short notice with a rushed half-season summing up. Or both! :umm2:. But they really paved the way for writers planning shows with set lengths, that we often see now.

[arista]

No :joker: 3 left and then no more until 2018 though.

Have you seen episode 7?


Episode 7
a Top Episode.

Season 2
14 months away
that's great,
as its Quality First,

I agree in the story that Hopkins
has TOTAL control (ref :ep. 8)
as the CEO.

[Tom4784]

Episode 8 was okay but the reveals being so obvious have annoyed me and dampened my enjoyment of the show as a whole as they could have done some of the reveals earlier on and made the plot move along a bit more. It feels like we've been waiting around just to be given the obvious answers.

I do agree with what Shaun was saying about killing off good characters, it does feel needless especially when there's a surplus of uninteresting characters who are still around.

The Maeve plotline is great though.

[Ammi]

...mind you that early killing off of characters who could have developed further is something that TWD has never been afraid to do as well and it has allowed a growth also and been quite successful...


..I'm going to re-watch episode 8 this weekend because I was pre-occupied doing something else when I watched it so didn't really understand it all...oooops...

[arista]

...mind you that early killing off of characters who could have developed further is something that TWD has never been afraid to do as well and it has allowed a growth also and been quite successful...


..I'm going to re-watch episode 8 this weekend because I was pre-occupied doing something else when I watched it so didn't really understand it all...oooops...
Yes well worth it
its 10 Outta 10

[Lostie!]

Episode 9!!! :worship: (yes I know I've loved every episode, this show can do no wrong for me)

The theories of Bernard being a recreation of Arnold and the multiple time periods being confirmed :clap1: :clap1: I don't mind that the twists are things that have been heavily theorized because the clues have been there throughout the series, I like that they're doing things that make sense rather than attempting to do twists that nobody would ever guess and going with things that make no sense as a result as so many other shows do at times. Also, shows like this that invite mass speculation wouldn't be fun if they just decided to go for a random WTF reveal and disregard the clues for the sake of shock value, the whole appeal of forming theories is the possibility that you're on to something so I love the show for not cheating for the sake of shock.

Also I wouldn't have even thought of multiple time periods if I hadn't read the theories online that made me look at certain scenes in a new light. Same with Bernard being based on Arnold, if I hadn't already read the theories and clues I wouldn't have considered it myself prior to maybe last week so I don't think they were twists that were glaringly obvious, just that the signs were there if you looked for the right things.

Someone online a few weeks ago also suggested the woman in the photo that Dolores' father found in the first episode was Logan's sister so very cool to have that confirmed too (along with that being the moment that essentially confirmed those scenes were taking place years ago, well, that and Dolores having mechanical insides).

The Man in Black being a Delos board member completely took me by surprise, didn't expect that. I'm now more convinced than ever that he's an older William and he gets into the company by marrying Logan's sister (since Logan's family have a share).

If Angela is anything to go by it seems like Wyatt's cult are self aware Hosts so I'm wondering if Ford's new narrative is something to do with awakening the Hosts (which would be odd considering his God complex and how he delights in having complete control over them but I'm very intrigued).

I've read another theory that Dolores is Wyatt which sounded absolutely absurd when I first heard it but now I'm considering it. Last week we saw Dolores have a flashback of that same shooting that Wyatt and Teddy perpetrated, and it was made to look like maybe Dolores was the shooter (but it was ambiguous of course). It would be cool since it would still tie Teddy to Dolores but in a whole new way (and we've seen Wyatt as a man but that could be Teddy's programming to remember him a certain way). Wyatt has to be more than just some bad guy who isn't someone else we know considering his apparent importance to the endgame so yeah, I definitely think the guy we've seen as Wyatt isn't what he actually looks like (and the Hosts are the absolute definition of unreliable narrators as far as their supposed memories go).

Really happy to see Clementine again (even if she was just a mindless drone). I hope Maeve pulls her into her rebellion, we can't have her just stuck in cold storage forever. I'm also wondering what will become of Bernard, I know Ford made him kill himself but that isn't really true death to a Host so I wonder if he'll wake up and join in the revolt with Maeve and co.

And yeah, Elsie 100000% is alive, they keep teasing Bernard "killing" her without showing her actually dead. Wonder where she's been hanging out these past few weeks. (watch her actually be dead now :laugh:)

Also I can't forget my obligatory Maeve is ****ing awesome comment :love:

My posts on this show are always so long, there's so much to talk about :joker::joker:

[Lostie!]

So the penultimate episode got the second highest ratings of the season so far (and were extremely close to matching the season high) :clap1:

[Niamh.]

I read part of your spoiler Lostie but I decided that I'm going to avoid fan theories now as well if i can because alot of them come true and it spoils it a bit for me.

I agree with you though that I'm glad they're sticking to whatever plan they had whether people guessed or not unlike some shows cough*Lost*cough

[Lostie!]

I read part of your spoiler Lostie but I decided that I'm going to avoid fan theories now as well if i can because alot of them come true and it spoils it a bit for me.

I agree with you though that I'm glad they're sticking to whatever plan they had whether people guessed or not unlike some shows cough*Lost*cough

:joker::joker:

Yeah, it makes rewatches so much more appealing too if you can go back and see the clues they sprinkled which you can't have with twists they pull out of thin air for the sake of catching people off guard. Give me a reveal that was guessed beforehand but makes tons of sense any day tbh. So far it's been pretty much a solid fair-play mystery (a particularly well-done one in that the clues have all been there but not in an annoying glaringly obvious kind of way, everything has been open to interpretation and all of the theories I've read have had as many detractors as believers which I think is a testament to how they've done it).

I'm sooo ridiculously excited for the finale but also sad that it's nearly over, easily my favourite show in quite some time (since Lost actually :hehe:). *fastforward to a couple of years time and I've changed my username to Westie*

[Lostie!]

The finale will be simulcast at the same time as the US airing on Sunday night (well, Monday morning for us technically), 2am our time. I'll just watch later on Monday, I'll be too tired to pay proper attention (and this show in particular requires full attention :laugh:).

It's also 90 minutes long :clap1:

[Shaun]

Watched episode 9 and was entertained but confused.

Won't put it in spoilers because it's not a spoiler lol just a theory, or maybe it is a spoiler idk, but I assume one of Logan and William goes on to be the man in black? Right now my money would be on William since dolores keeps looking at TMIB with a deep recognition.

Bernard </3

I don't really buy into the elsie=alive theories but it'd be a really pleasant surprise to see they aren't just tossing aside any and every minor female character WHILE LETTING BLOODY LOGAN LIVE

[Shaun]

And I agree with your idea about ford and the self aware hosts with Wyatt. My guess is he's going to be posited as an extremely nihilist villain who some how unleashes the hosts on the real world but I'M not sure how they'd execute that in scope. It'd be a very tired trope as well; man hates world wants to destroy it. Especially since little seems to be revealed about Ford's past yet.

And I'm not here for Maeve's rebellion story taking a back burner. But then I guess her overthrowing her masters and gaining freedom before the end of season 2 would be rather premature

[Lostie!]

For what it's worth, I can't see Logan surviving the finale. I think William (who I'm sure is the Man in Black) will kill him and doing so will be a major push down the rabbit hole to becoming MiB.

[Lostie!]

Something I'm confused about: Dolores and Teddy keep having flashbacks to the Escalante massacre, which is seemingly connected to Wyatt. Wyatt was only added to the narrative recently by Ford but Dolores had flashbacks to the massacre while with William (which we know is happening years ago) so I assume this massacre was an actual event years ago rather than just newly added false memories? I guess this Wyatt thing has been in play the whole time but it's only now that Ford is kicking whatever his plan is into motion.

Also, it's interesting that when Dolores descended down into the underground facility, it was all disheveled and abandoned (as opposed to how it looked in the flashback). I wonder why there were "dead" Hosts strewn all over.

[Natalie.]

Great episode, my favourite so far. I'm not ready for this to end.
Bernard :(

I think it's William who is man in black, it will be interesting to rewatch this next year knowing what we know now

[Lostie!]

I don't think it's the end of Bernard, a shot to the head is nothing to a Host in the long run :laugh:

And in the finale promo, it shows Maeve going down into cold storage and seeing Clementine, I assume she'll find Bernard on the ground and wake him up to join her army.

(that's not a full on spoiler but it's do to with the finale trailer)

[Natalie.]

Yeah I think he'll be back :fc:

[Lostie!]

I'm tempted to watch this later in the week rather than asap on Monday like I have been all season because I don't want it to be over so soon, but I don't think I have the willpower :laugh: :worry:

[BBUKAUSFAN]

Final Episode was Amazing I can not wait for Season 2!!

[Lostie!]

Final Episode was Amazing I can not wait for Season 2!!

I absolutely loved it. And it capped off probably my favourite season of TV I can remember. :flutter:

[Niamh.]

watched it last night, i was so glad I didn't read anymore theories, William being the old crazy guy was a shock which was great. Great finale such a shame we have to wait so long for season 2 though

[Lostie!]

watched it last night, i was so glad I didn't read anymore theories, William being the old crazy guy was a shock which was great. Great finale such a shame we have to wait so long for season 2 though

Even though I had a strong feeling William was the Man in Black (admittedly only because I read the theories :laugh:), I'm still so glad it happened. That and Dolores being Wyatt were my favourite theories and they both happened :clap1:

Also they did well with getting some William = MiB believers off the scent for a while, after believing it for a while I then abandoned the idea for a bit when I became convinced there was only one timeframe so it couldn't possibly be true, and then when the multiple timeframes was seemingly confirmed last week I was back on board. So yeah, some really effective misleading editing work there :spin: I wouldn't have even considered the stories taking place at different points in time until episode 9 when Logan revealed the picture if I hadn't read the theories that brought my attention to little things like the Westworld logo being different etc so yeah, I definitely think some people who stay away from theories wouldn't have seen certain reveals coming, especially since they did such a good job of even making those who had read the theories second guess themselves :laugh:

I actually recall one scene earlier in the season when, right after a Dolores / William scene we went to a scene in the control centre with Stubbs and another employee talking about Dolores going off her loop. It seemed clear that they were referring to what we'd just been watching but they never actually specified that she was with a guest and clearly now we know they were following her while she was alone in the present day. It's the stuff like this that really make me want to rewatch now we know so much.

Ford has to be one of my favourite fictional characters ever. Him working to free the Hosts all along was a brilliant twist that I didn't anticipate (and his whole arc was so compelling, his initial ambiguous nature before being presented as seemingly pure evil only to be revealed as an anti-hero at the end :love:).

That final scene with Dolores shooting into the crowd while the cold storage hosts emerge from the forest was so good (and Clementine being out, with a gun nonetheless) :love:

And I still believe Elsie and Stubbs are alive :smug:

[Lostie!]

The finale got the highest ratings of the season :clap1:

[Niamh.]

Where are they going to go for season 2 though I wonder? :think:

[Lostie!]

Where are they going to go for season 2 though I wonder? :think:

Yeah I've no idea tbh, but I'm excited to see where they take it. I love that they answered the biggest mysteries of the season in the finale and opened up the story for a whole new set-up next season rather than dragging out the same things for too long. As much as I love Lost, them ending their first season with the opening of the hatch but not revealing what was inside feels like even more of an insult given how Westworld ended :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Yeah I've no idea tbh, but I'm excited to see where they take it. I love that they answered the biggest mysteries of the season in the finale and opened up the story for a whole new set-up next season rather than dragging out the same things for too long. As much as I love Lost, them ending their first season with the opening of the hatch but not revealing what was inside feels like even more of an insult given how Westworld ended :laugh:

Yeah I don't like cliff hangers that big at the end of a Season either, they're annoying and if you're lucky enough to get through without a spoiler, you've waited so long the suspense has almost worn off by the time it's revealed and it's usually disappointing

Re Season two, I don't know how they're going to make a fresh story really, surely the only thing they'll get away with is them escaping to the real world?

[Lostie!]

I like cliffhangers but not if they're used in place of refusing to answer questions they've been posing all season. I'd say Westworld ended on a cliffhanger of sorts with Dolores shooting everyone and the other Hosts arriving from the woods but it was a cliffhanger that was to lead into the new era of the story rather than to postpone the current mysteries. Like, if it ended just as we were about to discover what the maze was, that would have been ridiculous :laugh:

[Lostie!]

It's interesting that they seemingly confirmed the existence of other themed areas with the samurais. For now I'm gonna assume that, and any other potential areas of the park, were added by the money-hungry Delos board rather than Ford himself.

[Niamh.]

Oh I had forgotten about the samurais actually and Felix seemed kind of sketchy about them too, they must play a part in the next season for sure

[Lostie!]

Felix :love:

Oh I forgot to mention, Armistice in this episode :worship: Have you seen the post-credits scene?

[Niamh.]

Felix :love:

Oh I forgot to mention, Armistice in this episode :worship: Have you seen the post-credits scene?

Oh no, what was it?

[Lostie!]

_Uk5Aj-HabA

Nothing huge but a nice little extra. :laugh:

[Lostie!]

Can we just appreciate the look on William's face as Dolores went full Wyatt on him? :laugh2:

https://68.media.tumblr.com/31acf198929a01a8c852dc91fa64662f/tumblr_ohqh2rngZ91qawxnko5_250.gif

It was a brilliant callback to the premiere too. There were a few moments that were sort of bookends to earlier episodes actually, something else I loved about the finale.

[Shaun]

I'm in two minds about the finale. Love the Ford/takeover stuff and how that's working out, because it's actually interesting.

BORED TO ****ING TEARS over the William/MIB/Dolores stuff, though. That reveal was so tedious. And the purpose of it was what? Build up the Hosts as believing they're gods. So basically season 2 will be the AIs taking over. Which hasn't at all been done to death in popular culture :idc:

Idk I just really wanted to watch a compelling drama with storylines that actually went somewhere and made sense, instead the whole season's effectively been another "mankind is horrible!1!" rant from JJ Abrams. I'm sure it's made sense to some who've analysed every other scene for the tiniest of clues, but I refuse to believe anyone actually believes the William presented in episodes 1-8 just happened to turn out to be a bit of a nasty **** tbh :( there's more fantasy in that being a legitimate character arc presented by the show than in any of its premise.

Outcome was fun enough... but I just don't really have any motivation to bother with season 2.

[Shaun]

also I lowkey wanted the fridge scene to play out as a comedy with Maeve walking up to random offline hosts and being like REMEMBER HIM, RODRIGO SANTORO? :) HE USED TO RUN THE PET STORE, WEREN'T HE LOVELY XXX

[Lostie!]

This is supposed to be a nice thread and you're ruining it! http://i.imgur.com/PH3vKnw.jpg

But seriously, I have no issue in believing William became the Man in Black tbh, a lot can change in a person in 30 years. That said, I do think his shift into slaughtering Hosts in the flashbacks was a little fast but it didn't bother me that much since at that point he still hadn't fully gone off the deep end, I can buy that he shed more and more parts of his moral compass over the years.

I'm also here for the Hosts taking over, it was always gonna become an aspect of the show what with the premise of the movie. But I don't for a second think it's going to be as clean-cut in the show, from the look on Teddy's face when Dolores was killing everyone I don't think he'll be fully on board and that could very well be the case with some other Hosts too. (And I don't entirely disagree with Ford's assessment of humanity :whistle:)

I trust the show won't go down the cliche route because of Jonathan Nolan, he explored both malevolent and benevolent AI in Person of Interest so I think (and hope) Westworld does the same.

Also, if it's true that they've had like 5 seasons mapped out and they're getting to the Hosts fighting back at the end of season 1, they definitely don't have 4 seasons of simply "robots kill people" in mind :laugh:

The only aspect of the show I flat-out don't like is Sizemore still being around. We lost Theresa and Ford but he stays around being his usual pointless, irritating self :idc:

[Lostie!]

Evan and Thandie won for Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress respectively at the Critics Choice Awards last night :clap1:

[Niamh.]

Evan and Thandie won for Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress respectively at the Critics Choice Awards last night :clap1:

Why is Thandie supporting actress? she's as main actress-y as Evan

[Lostie!]

I do agree but I guess Dolores is the central protagonist and to be fair if they were both nominated in the same category they couldn't both win so I'm fine with it :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I suppose, thandie is so much better though imo

[Lostie!]

I think they've both been amazing tbh.

Emilia Clarke and Lena Headey were both nominated as supporting actresses for GoT too so I wouldn't put too much stock in that classification :laugh:

[Shaun]

Yeah Evan's clearly the lead really. Maeve getting noms would be like William/TMIB/Bernard/Ford getting noms.

[arista]

Love the bonus clip
after the end Credits .

I wonder how many Deleted it?
without leaving it on to hear that lady say
extra clip after the Credits end

[Lostie!]

Love the bonus clip
after the end Credits .

I wonder how many Deleted it?
without leaving it on to hear that lady say
extra clip after the Credits end

Yeah I didn't know about that at first so went and found it on Youtube :laugh:

Armistice :clap1:

[Lostie!]

So I never realised the song during the climax of the finale was Exit Music (For a Film) which is brilliantly fitting considering Jonathan Nolan also used it for the climax of Person of Interest's season 3 finale when Samaritan came online. Has to have been an intentional call back :clap1:

[Brother Leon]

Best show of the year. Confirmed.

Anthony Hopkins is so good. Only storyline I found boring was the super naive story and how stupid everyone was in handling her, but when it was proven that Ford was manipulating it the whole time then that was saved.

[Lostie!]

Best show of the year. Confirmed.

Anthony Hopkins is so good. Only storyline I found boring was the super naive story and how stupid everyone was in handling her, but when it was proven that Ford was manipulating it the whole time then that was saved.

:clap1: It's the most immersed I've been in a show in a while.

[Lostie!]

http://i.imgur.com/Xxu8Xqz.gif

:laugh2:

[Jason.]

I've been watching this over the past few weeks and I absolutely loved it. Such an intriguing, albeit confusing show but I guess that's one of the things that made it so good. Maeve :love:

Fantastic finale too. :clap1:

I'll be waitin for ya luv @ Season 2

[Lostie!]

I've been watching this over the past few weeks and I absolutely loved it. Such an intriguing, albeit confusing show but I guess that's one of the things that made it so good. Maeve :love:

Fantastic finale too. :clap1:

I'll be waitin for ya luv @ Season 2

:joker:

If I die before 2018, you can have the thread.

[Lostie!]

This is really cool. They have a couple of tie-in websites (one for Westworld and one for Delos) as if it's a real-world thing and they made some cool updates after the events of the finale (part of it drops a big clue about one of the unresolved plotlines of the first season)

http://www.thisisinsider.com/westworld-website-after-season-finale-2016-12

So it's seemingly pretty much confirmed that Elsie is still alive, as I thought :clap1:

Wish DiscoverWestworld wasn't blocked in the UK though :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

i have STILL not watched the last ep

:worry:

[Lostie!]

I need these in my life

http://beyondwestworld.com/2017/02/22/new-funko-pop-westworld-vinyl-figures/

[Jason.]

Those are cute.

I love the Bernard one, the face looks just like him. :laugh:

[Lostie!]

It'd be epic if the Little Boy Ford one did this :laugh:

http://oohlo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/RobertTurnChek.gif

[Lostie!]

A bit of season 2 casting news

Talulah Riley upgraded to series regular for season 2

http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/23/westworld-season-2-angela//

She was actually one of the characters I was most intrigued by in season 1 and I kept hoping we'd see more of her so I'm really glad about this :clap1:

[Jason.]

A bit of season 2 casting news

Talulah Riley upgraded to series regular for season 2

http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/23/westworld-season-2-angela//

She was actually one of the characters I was most intrigued by in season 1 and I kept hoping we'd see more of her so I'm really glad about this :clap1::

https://media.giphy.com/media/IYyn46tl55Yyc/giphy.gif

[Lostie!]

A bit of season 2 casting news

Talulah Riley upgraded to series regular for season 2

http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/23/westworld-season-2-angela//

She was actually one of the characters I was most intrigued by in season 1 and I kept hoping we'd see more of her so I'm really glad about this :clap1:

And another

Louis Herthum (Peter Abernathy) has also been upgraded to a regular.

http://deadline.com/2017/03/westworld-louis-herthum-promoted-series-regular-season-2-hbo-1202052806/#respond

Really happy about this one too, his performances in season 1 were brilliant :clap1: I like that being decommissioned (and essentially lobotomized) doesn't necessarily mean the end of a Host's role in the story.

If none of Anthony Hopkins, Sidse Babett Knudson, Jimmi Simpson and Ben Barnes return to the main cast next season, we'd still have space in the opening credits for some more new names, although I'm not counting out any of them coming back as regulars just yet given the nature of the show.

[Natalie.]

And another

Louis Herthum (Peter Abernathy) has also been upgraded to a regular.

http://deadline.com/2017/03/westworld-louis-herthum-promoted-series-regular-season-2-hbo-1202052806/#respond

Really happy about this one too, his performances in season 1 were brilliant :clap1: I like that being decommissioned (and essentially lobotomized) doesn't necessarily mean the end of a Host's role in the story.

If none of Anthony Hopkins, Sidse Babett Knudson, Jimmi Simpson and Ben Barnes return to the main cast next season, we'd still have space in the opening credits for some more new names, although I'm not counting out any of them coming back as regulars just yet given the nature of the show.

Really pleased about this, one of my favourites

[Jamie89]

Just a rumour I heard, I don't think it's anything more than a theory, but if it is true it's quite a big spoiler...

Louis Herthum (Peter Abernathy) has also been upgraded to a regular.

http://deadline.com/2017/03/westworld-louis-herthum-promoted-series-regular-season-2-hbo-1202052806/#respond

Really happy about this one too, his performances in season 1 were brilliant :clap1: I like that being decommissioned (and essentially lobotomized) doesn't necessarily mean the end of a Host's role in the story.

If none of Anthony Hopkins, Sidse Babett Knudson, Jimmi Simpson and Ben Barnes return to the main cast next season, we'd still have space in the opening credits for some more new names, although I'm not counting out any of them coming back as regulars just yet given the nature of the show.

I heard a theory that he might return as either a host, or it was actually a host version of Ford that was killed at the end of Season 1, and I'd imagine if it was true that they'd want to keep it a surprise so I wonder if they'd announce him as part of the Season 2 cast even if he is in it.

[Lostie!]

Just a rumour I heard, I don't think it's anything more than a theory, but if it is true it's quite a big spoiler...



I heard a theory that he might return as either a host, or it was actually a host version of Ford that was killed at the end of Season 1, and I'd imagine if it was true that they'd want to keep it a surprise so I wonder if they'd announce him as part of the Season 2 cast even if he is in it.



I've heard that too. Although, as much as I thought Hopkins was brilliant and Ford became one of my favourite characters on TV, I think the impact of his story would be lessened if it was a Host copy that Dolores killed. Him allowing himself to be the first big casualty of the rebellion he sparked is a fitting end for him. I'd love to see more of him in flashbacks etc but yeah, I hope it was the real him who died for the sake of preserving the impact of his character arc.

The camera focusing on the machine creating a new Host during Theresa's murder is still suspicious though. The big theory was that it was making a copy of Theresa to cover up her death but that was apparently debunked when Ford made no effort to keep her death a secret, only the cause. Since the finale, the main theory has been the Ford Host idea but I'm not completely giving up on the Theresa theory since we don't know if her death was ever public knowledge outside of Delos and the staff / board members are being killed off now. Actually, I've seen another theory that the whole Delos board are going to be replaced by Host copies in the outside world which is a really creepy thought :laugh:

[Jamie89]

I've heard that too. Although, as much as I thought Hopkins was brilliant and Ford became one of my favourite characters on TV, I think the impact of his story would be lessened if it was a Host copy that Dolores killed. Him allowing himself to be the first big casualty of the rebellion he sparked is a fitting end for him. I'd love to see more of him in flashbacks etc but yeah, I hope it was the real him who died for the sake of preserving the impact of his character arc.

The camera focusing on the machine creating a new Host during Theresa's murder is still suspicious though. The big theory was that it was making a copy of Theresa to cover up her death but that was apparently debunked when Ford made no effort to keep her death a secret, only the cause. Since the finale, the main theory has been the Ford Host idea but I'm not completely giving up on the Theresa theory since we don't know if her death was ever public knowledge outside of Delos and the staff / board members are being killed off now. Actually, I've seen another theory that the whole Delos board are going to be replaced by Host copies in the outside world which is a really creepy thought [emoji23]
Oh yeah the Theresa thing, I remember reading that was a theory after I watched it. It would have been a good twist although looking back over the season I suppose it would have just been a twist for the sake of it, like I don't see how she'd have fitted into the rest of the story. I'm not sure what the purpose of the camera panning to the host being created might have been though, I'm kinda of the opinion that there was no purpose to it rather than it being a set up for something.

And the thing with bringing her back for season 2 is, why go to the bother of creating a host Theresa for the benefit of the outside world anyway? Like she's not the face of the company or anything (I think). And even though the outside world might not have been told about her death and only the staff were, would it not create various minor plot holes such as staff members might have told their family like you probably would if a colleague died, or a funeral, or informing Theresa's family etc (staff members might have had contact details of her friends or family on the outside etc), or maybe I'm over thinking all of that [emoji23]
(All that being said though I am actually here for a Theresa comeback!)

Oh and I kind of agree with what you're saying about Ford actually, as much as I'd like him to come back it might take away somewhat from the season 1 finale. Although I'm still open minded about the idea of him returning if they do it justice, like he'd have to have a worthy enough story considering it would be altering the impact of season 1, instead of it just being 'yay Anthony Hopkins is back' [emoji23]

Ugh I just love though about this show that there's so many what ifs and possible theories to discuss though and still manages to have a tight storyline instead of being a bit all over the place :worship: (no shade @lost)

[Lostie!]

Oh yeah the Theresa thing, I remember reading that was a theory after I watched it. It would have been a good twist although looking back over the season I suppose it would have just been a twist for the sake of it, like I don't see how she'd have fitted into the rest of the story. I'm not sure what the purpose of the camera panning to the host being created might have been though, I'm kinda of the opinion that there was no purpose to it rather than it being a set up for something.

And the thing with bringing her back for season 2 is, why go to the bother of creating a host Theresa for the benefit of the outside world anyway? Like she's not the face of the company or anything (I think). And even though the outside world might not have been told about her death and only the staff were, would it not create various minor plot holes such as staff members might have told their family like you probably would if a colleague died, or a funeral, or informing Theresa's family etc (staff members might have had contact details of her friends or family on the outside etc), or maybe I'm over thinking all of that [emoji23]
(All that being said though I am actually here for a Theresa comeback!)

Oh and I kind of agree with what you're saying about Ford actually, as much as I'd like him to come back it might take away somewhat from the season 1 finale. Although I'm still open minded about the idea of him returning if they do it justice, like he'd have to have a worthy enough story considering it would be altering the impact of season 1, instead of it just being 'yay Anthony Hopkins is back' [emoji23]

Ugh I just love though about this show that there's so many what ifs and possible theories to discuss though and still manages to have a tight storyline instead of being a bit all over the place :worship: (no shade @lost)

Yeah I think you're right tbh, I do think a Theresa Host is pretty unlikely thinking about it. I think the moment for that has probably passed, and for all we know the shot of the machine during her death scene could have just been a stylistic choice (she was being killed by a product of it after all).

And yeah I agree, all the theorising involved and the cryptic nature of the story and how it makes you think (and over-think :laugh:) are some of my favourite things about the show, as you might expect from a Lost fan but with the added bonus of being much more planned out. I'm looking forward to rewatching the first season with the knowledge we now have and looking out for the clues, something you can't really experience with a show that makes it up as it goes along (and as much as I loved Lost, it was definitely guilty of that a fair bit :laugh:).

[Niamh.]

I really want to read those spoilers but I'm going to stay strong

[Jamie89]

I really want to read those spoilers but I'm going to stay strong
Its just theories tbh, they're not based on anything as far as I'm aware so it's nothing too spoilery (unless you haven't seen all of season 1) but yeah avoid them if you don't want to know any theories.

[Niamh.]

Its just theories tbh, they're not based on anything as far as I'm aware so it's nothing too spoilery (unless you haven't seen all of season 1) but yeah avoid them if you don't want to know any theories.

Lots of the theories for Season 1 turned out to be right which is why I don't really want to read any :laugh:

[Lostie!]

Yeah, I'm being safe and tagging all theories I bring up now ever since the big season 1 theories that ended up coming true, just for the sake of people who like to be in the dark about that stuff :laugh:

I couldn't do that, it's my favourite part of the experience :cool:

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I'm being safe and tagging all theories I bring up now ever since the big season 1 theories that ended up coming true, just for the sake of people who like to be in the dark about that stuff :laugh:

I couldn't do that, it's my favourite part of the experience :cool:

There's nothing better then watching the shock of an unexpected twist though

[Lostie!]

I do love that but I get a lot of satisfaction from seeing theories I loved happen for real on-screen and also the whole added atmosphere of reading up on weekly discussions after each episode all just contributes to the enjoyment for me, there was a lot of buzz surrounding the first season online if I avoided all that I'd be detracting from my experience tbh. All just depends on each person's personal preferred way of enjoying the show I guess. Actual spoilers are a big no-no though, theories that may or may not turn out to be right are my limit :laugh:

But yeah, it makes perfect sense why some people do want to stay away from theories that might alter the way they see certain things so people should have the chance to enjoy it without having theories forced on them.

[Niamh.]

I did read all the theories for Game of Thrones though after I finished the first 5 books, so the first 5 books was all a surprise but he's dragged his heals so much in writing anymore I needed to read the theories out of desperation :p

[Lostie!]

I did read all the theories for Game of Thrones though after I finished the first 5 books, so the first 5 books was all a surprise but he's dragged his heals so much in writing anymore I needed to read the theories out of desperation :p

Sshh, don't give Jonathan Nolan ideas. Waiting 2 years for more Westworld is bad enough :laugh:

[Lostie!]

Jonathan Nolan has posted on Reddit and, unless he's ****ing around, seemingly revealed the title of the season 2 premiere (not really big news but I'll take anything right now :laugh:)

http://i.imgur.com/bk21Kvj.jpg

"Journey into Night" presumably, Ford's final narrative.

[Jason.]

I'm ready

[Lostie!]

Can you believe it's been 6 months since the first season ended?

[Jason.]

Can you believe it's been 6 months since the first season ended?

1/4 down 3 to go

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DyxpVnMuy0Q/VVXyUbILMHI/AAAAAAAAAtY/TJbB2OL03NE/s1600/tumblr_mwyzuxJQmT1sg3b68o1_500.gif

[Locke.]

First season was amazing, Man in Black is one of the best characters on TV in quite some time. Hope he is back for S2.

[Lostie!]

1/4 down 3 to go

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DyxpVnMuy0Q/VVXyUbILMHI/AAAAAAAAAtY/TJbB2OL03NE/s1600/tumblr_mwyzuxJQmT1sg3b68o1_500.gif

:joker:

First season was amazing, Man in Black is one of the best characters on TV in quite some time. Hope he is back for S2.

Another fan :clap1: We seem to share interests in quite a few shows.

I'm sure Ed Harris will return. Less so about Jimmi Simpson but I hope we do see him again. I'd also be interested in an older Logan showing up to face off with Ed Harris.

[JTM45]

A brilliant show indeed. Some truly fantastic roles portrayed by amazing actors!

I saw the original film when i was a wee nipper in the early 70's (at home on an original 16mm Cine Projector!) and , while it's not in the same league as the series, it scared the bejeezus out of me and i had nightmares for years afterwards that the original 'Man in Black' character, played by Yul Brynner, was hunting me down!:laugh:

[Lostie!]

Katja Herbers has been cast as a series regular. http://deadline.com/2017/07/westworld-katja-herbers-cast-series-regular-season-2-hbo-1202126782/

Not familiar with her but it's nice to get the first new cast member confirmed.

A brilliant show indeed. Some truly fantastic roles portrayed by amazing actors!

I saw the original film when i was a wee nipper in the early 70's (at home on an original 16mm Cine Projector!) and , while it's not in the same league as the series, it scared the bejeezus out of me and i had nightmares for years afterwards that the original 'Man in Black' character, played by Yul Brynner, was hunting me down!:laugh:

I saw the movie a few years back one night when I couldn't sleep and it was on one of the lesser watched channels (ITV4 I think?) late at night. I'd never heard of it but I ended up loving it. Very different beast to the TV series but very enjoyable in its own right, need to give it a rewatch sometime. Also very ahead of its time.

[Lostie!]

22 Emmy nominations :clap1: (tied with Saturday Night Live for the most)

[Lostie!]

First trailer for season 2 :clap1:

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Also Neil Jackson and Jonathan Tucker have joined the cast http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/westworld-season-2-cast-jonathan-tucker-neil-jackson-1202502853/

[Locke.]

The Man in Black surviving :clap1:

[Lostie!]

I think all of this footage will be from the first episode since they apparently only started filming very recently.

[Lostie!]

Confirmed that we'll see the outside world in season 2 http://www.looper.com/77221/westworld-season-2-will-show-world-outside-park/?amp=1

"I think one of the things we're excited about for the second season is that beyond Westworld, you're going to get a look at the real world," Nolan said. "Season 1 was ambitious, but season 2 will be twice as ambitious in terms of scope and scale."

[Lostie!]

Also confirmed for a Spring 2018 airing https://medium.com/hbo-cinemax-pr/hbo-cinemax-programming-overview-dca4424c4c44

It's nice knowing we don't have to wait until autumn 2018 but I did like having it at that time of year (probably because it's my favourite time of year so having my new favourite show coincide with it was nice :laugh:)

[Crimson Dynamo]

i watched and enjoyed all of the last series and then did not for some reason watch the last episode?

[Lostie!]

i watched and enjoyed all of the last series and then did not for some reason watch the last episode?

http://i.imgur.com/LRdlqQY.gif

[Headie]

Confirmed that we'll see the outside world in season 2 http://www.looper.com/77221/westworld-season-2-will-show-world-outside-park/?amp=1



I wish Maeve had stayed on the train tbh, it would've been more interesting

[Lostie!]

I wish Maeve had stayed on the train tbh, it would've been more interesting

I actually think it's much more interesting that she got off because she was programmed to get on the train, getting off was her very first act of free will.

[Headie]

I actually think it's much more interesting that she got off because she was programmed to get on the train, getting off was her very first act of free will.

Oh I forgot about that

Who programmed her/why was she programmed that way?
I thought the whole point of programming was for her to stay in the unreal world and have no idea of reality

I might have to rewatch tbh :laugh:

[Lostie!]

Oh I forgot about that

Who programmed her/why was she programmed that way?
I thought the whole point of programming was for her to stay in the unreal world and have no idea of reality

I might have to rewatch tbh :laugh:

It was never stated outright (I assume it will be next season) but it was heavily implied to be Ford once we found out he wanted to set the Hosts free. Also when one of the technicians checked who'd been modifying Maeve's code, it came up as Arnold (and we know Ford was finishing what Arnold started).

[Locke.]

Also confirmed to return Season 2.....

Jimmi Simpson/young William!

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[Lostie!]

Brilliant news :clap1:

[Lostie!]

Neil Jackson, Gustaf Skarsgård, Fares Fares (as regulars), Jonathan Tucker and Betty Gabriel (recurring) are joining season 2

http://deadline.com/2017/07/westworld-neil-jackson-jonathan-tucker-cast-season-2-hbo-series-1202133085/
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/westworld-season-2-cast-1202521782/

I like Gustaf in Vikings (I mean, his character's pretty annoying but he's a great actor) so I'm definitely interested to see him in the show.

[Lostie!]

Hiroyuki Sanada is also joining season 2

and there's already a Funko Pop of his character

https://www.magicmadhouse.co.uk/images/pop-tv-westworld-504-musashi-p263633-253025_medium.jpg

I'm really glad they're following up on the Samurai / Shogun World tease from the finale :clap1:

Great to have another Lost actor on board :clap1:

[Strictly Jake]

i cant wait i love it!

[Nicky91]

i've now started watching season 1, i really am starting to like it :)

[Lostie!]

New season 2 trailer debuts during the Super Bowl :clap1: They wrapped filming recently.

Also put out a cool little tease

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[Jamie89]

Can't wait, I rewatched S1 recently and it was just as good on second watch (maybe even a bit better since I wasn't so confused). Got me really excited for S2

[Lostie!]

Can't wait, I rewatched S1 recently and it was just as good on second watch (maybe even a bit better since I wasn't so confused). Got me really excited for S2

I'm definitely rewatching season 1 before season 2 starts. This show is perfect for it :laugh: