Will you utilise your European Granny?

[Cherie]

So if we leave, will you apply for a passport say is you have an Irish Granny so you can have dual nationality thereby affording easy access to Europe if you want to work?

[Niamh.]

There's already been an rush on apparently of people applying for Irish passports

[Cherie]

There's already been an rush on apparently of people applying for Irish passports


It's a win win really people who can would be crazy not to :hee:

[billy123]

No. My Mum is Irish but what benefit would it bring?
Working in Europe isnt dependant on being in the EU.

[Marsh.]

Assuming we leave.

I think we're staying in no matter what.

*fixes tin hat*

[y.winter]

Not the same case, but I have my lawyers working for a Romanian passport (grandmother) for the last year so I could move to the UK with EU passport, and now the referendum is making it so tragic for me. :hehe::worry:
So there's a subjective part in me that really hopes it's going to be a stay, but that's just selfish. But well, whatever will be will be.

[StephenPullen]

I don't see the fascination with Europe; I'd rather live and work in North America or Australia.

[Cherie]

No. My Mum is Irish but what benefit would it bring?
Working in Europe isnt dependant on being in the EU.

Freedom of movement. you would have to apply for a work visa and pay for it?

[Cherie]

I don't see the fascination with Europe; I'd rather live and work in North America or Australia.


That's another thread :fist:

[Cherie]

Not the same case, but I have my lawyers working for a Romanian passport (grandmother) for the last year so I could move to the UK with EU passport, and now the referendum is making it so tragic for me. :hehe::worry:
So there's a subjective part in me that really hopes it's going to be a stay, but that's just selfish. But well, whatever will be will be.


Aw..like Marsh I think we will stay in but it will be marginal

[StephenPullen]

Aw..like Marsh I think we will stay in but it will be marginal

You won't have to worry about messing around with passports. The UK will stay in anyway regardless of the vote - Cameron will always get his way, he'll just over-rule the referendum if the outcome is not what he wants.

[user104658]

My wife has an ROI grandad in his late 70's but unfortunately he doesn't exist and has no nationality! Hahaha. Well, I think he now (after years of forms) has a British passport, however for most of his life, he was totally non-existant...

Basically he was born and raised in Ireland then came over to England "clothes on his back" style. Never went abroad, only banked locally, never needed ID... for anything... then when he wanted to go abroad, in his 60's, he tried to track down a birth certificate... but he had been born and registered in a tiny nunnery in middle-of-nowhere Ireland, which had later burned to the ground taking all records with it. There's no record of his birth anywhere, OR of him ever having existed, at all, in Ireland :joker:.

Funny thing is, if you think of the stereotype of a simple little Irish fella, that's basically him. Like he's the guy they made the "Irish jokes" about.

[user104658]

Other than that, sadly, I don't think either of us have any non-UK connections of any kind. Meh.

[Cherie]

You won't have to worry about messing around with passports. The UK will stay in anyway regardless of the vote - Cameron will always get his way, he'll just over-rule the referendum if the outcome is not what he wants.

I thought it was an interesting question :shrug: let's face it most of the leave campaign has been based speculation so I thought I could join in :laugh:

[Kizzy]

I'm on ancestry.com as we speak...

[user104658]

You won't have to worry about messing around with passports. The UK will stay in anyway regardless of the vote - Cameron will always get his way, he'll just over-rule the referendum if the outcome is not what he wants.

A bit of selective vote counting might go on, in my opinion, despite people's insistance that these things "don't happen"... however, if the result is announced as "Exit" then it will not be over-ruled. The implications for western democracy would be insane.

[billy123]

Freedom of movement. you would have to apply for a work visa and pay for it?Who told you that you need to pay for a visa?

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Ooh I never thought about this. Both grandparents on my dads side are Irish. So could I apply for dual citizenship? :conf:

They moved here in the 50s and I don't know if they became full British citizens or had dual citizenship...

[billy123]

Ooh I never thought about this. Both grandparents on my dads side are Irish. So could I apply for dual citizenship? :conf:Possibly because it isnt true,

[Crimson Dynamo]

Both my grannies are dead so little bit offensive tbh

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Possibly because it isnt true,

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/who_can_become_an_irish_citizen.html

First question applies to me I believe :conf:

[billy123]

I honestly dont care whether we stay or leave at this point. What does piss me off is the misinformation that has been relayed to people by both sides.

[Cherie]

Who told you that you need to pay for a visa?

Are you honestly saying if Britain exits the EU, the Remaining EU countries won't impose tariffs and that everything will remain as it is :joker:

[Cherie]

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/who_can_become_an_irish_citizen.html

First question applies to me I believe :conf:


Yes you can if you have an Irish grandparent you can apply for an Irish passport

what part of that is misinformation Bob?

[billy123]

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/who_can_become_an_irish_citizen.html

First question applies to me I believe :conf:I dont think anyone questioned whether you were eligble to become an irish citizen http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/conf.gif

[Cherie]

Possibly because it isnt true,

Prove it isn't, you are the one talking about misinformation, let's see your proof

[Cherie]

Ooh I never thought about this. Both grandparents on my dads side are Irish. So could I apply for dual citizenship? :conf:

They moved here in the 50s and I don't know if they became full British citizens or had dual citizenship...

Possibly because it isnt true,

I dont think anyone questioned whether you were eligble to become an irish citizen http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/conf.gif


You just did :joker:

[AProducer'sWetDream]

I dont think anyone questioned whether you were eligble to become an irish citizen http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/conf.gif

Oh right- I assumed that's what you are saying. Apologies.

Either way, there's no harm in applying just in case it becomes more difficult to travel/live in Europe, which I would like to do at some point.

[billy123]

Prove it isn't, you are the one talking about misinformation, let's see your proofNo need to be so aggressive.
How about you prove that only the Irish would be allowed free movement since you claimed it.

[Cherie]

Oh right- I assumed that's what you are saying. Apologies.

Either way, there's no harm in applying just in case it becomes more difficult to travel/live in Europe, which I would like to do at some point.

Good know you can do that if things change.

[Cherie]

No need to be so aggressive.
How about you prove that only the Irish would be allowed free movement since you claimed it.



Aggressive? you are the one calling me a liar :joker:


:umm2: isn't freedom of movement one of the huge talking points of the referendum

[billy123]

Aggressive? you are the one calling me a liar :joker:


:umm2: isn't freedom of movement one of the huge talking points of the referendumWhere did i call you a liar?
Damn i questioned something you said is all and you got angry.
I will leave you to it.

[Cherie]

Where did i cal you a liar?

:facepalm:


Anyway back to the original point...

[Cherie]

Where did i call you a liar?
Damn i questioned something you said is all and you got angry.
I will leave you to it.


How nice

[Marsh.]

I'm on ancestry.com as we speak...

How will being a descendant of the Salem witches help you here? :hee:

[Niamh.]

No need to be so aggressive.
How about you prove that only the Irish would be allowed free movement since you claimed it.

Only the Irish and other EU countries....... Presumably British people would need visa etc to live or work within Europe if they leave the EU

[Cherie]

How will being a descendant of the Salem witches help you here? :hee:


Kizzy can get on her broomstick and land anywhere visa free :idc:

[Cherie]

Only the Irish and other EU countries....... Presumably British people would need visa etc to live or work within Europe if they live the EU


Don't go talking sense Niamh

[Kizzy]

How will being a descendant of the Salem witches help you here? :hee:

Moravian witches if you don't mind.

[Kizzy]

Kizzy can get on her broomstick and land anywhere visa free :idc:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/1d/bf/35/1dbf351a8fa93b3c69fa5ec1b9d163d6.jpg
Of course modern witches prefer to travel by trike.... ;)

[Cherie]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/1d/bf/35/1dbf351a8fa93b3c69fa5ec1b9d163d6.jpg
Of course modern witches prefer to travel by trike.... ;)

I saw one of those the other day and thought of you :laugh:

[Kizzy]

I saw one of those the other day and thought of you :laugh:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/97/fb/9a/97fb9a0cec5581d5b01b93857c9cdbf2.jpg

[jaxie]

So if we leave, will you apply for a passport say is you have an Irish Granny so you can have dual nationality thereby affording easy access to Europe if you want to work?

The truth is that on Friday if Leave win nothing will have greatly changed. Deals will be done, better deals for us. You won't have to use your Granny to travel. My son travels all over the world and never has any problems, EU or not.

[Cherie]

The truth is that on Friday if Leave win nothing will have greatly changed. Deals will be done, better deals for us. You won't have to use your Granny to travel. My son travels all over the world and never has any problems, EU or not.


I'm not talking about travel Jaxie, I'm talking about to live and work, of course we can still travel, but I would be very surprised if there wasn't a visa requirement for work and to live or people would have to become citizens of that country, take a test like they so here in the UK

[Cherie]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/97/fb/9a/97fb9a0cec5581d5b01b93857c9cdbf2.jpg

:cheer2:

[jaxie]

I'm not talking about travel Jaxie, I'm talking about to live and work, of course we can still travel

My son's friend lives and works in Dubai. I'm pretty sure he will still live and work in Dubai on Friday. Pretty sure it will be the same for someone who lives and works in France. The world isn't going to implode on Friday, people aren't all going on a big boat home because they aren't welcome anymore. In fact the implication seems kind of ridiculous. :shrug:

Sorry but I still like you, you may pet a cat just watch the one on my head she bites!

[Cherie]

My son's friend lives and works in Dubai. I'm pretty sure he will still live and work in Dubai on Friday. Pretty sure it will be the same for someone who lives and works in France. The world isn't going to implode on Friday, people aren't all going on a big boat home because they aren't welcome anymore. In fact the implication seems kind of ridiculous. :shrug:

Sorry but I still like you, you may pet a cat just watch the one on my head she bites!



That is not what I am saying at all :laugh:it will take two years for the UK to exit Europe so obviously nothing will change over night, but down the line if we do exit it will change, do you honestly think if the UK put controls on Europeans entering, that they won't receive the same treatment when Brits want to move to Europe?

[jaxie]

That is not what I am saying at all :laugh:it will take two years for the UK to exit Europe so obviously nothing will change over night, but down the line if we do exit it will change, do you honestly think if the UK put controls on Europeans entering, that they won't receive the same treatment when Brits want to move to Europe?

So in the worse case scenario you might need a visa. Why is that such a big deal? :shrug:

[Cherie]

So in the worse case scenario you might need a visa. Why is that such a big deal? :shrug:

Finally! So to avoid the paperwork and the cost and the yearly renewals you could utilise your Granny, jeez this forum is hard bloody work at times :fist:

[Kizzy]

I wish I had a Canadian granny I'd go there ay,

[Cherie]

A scramble for EU passports is under way after Britain’s vote to leave the union. There has been a spike in the number of online searches for “getting an Irish passport”, and some European citizens publicly offered themselves – probably jokingly – in marriage.


Ireland’s foreign ministry said it had received a significant rise in the number of Irish passport applications from Britain. It published a guide on how to obtain documents for the 430,000 Irish-born people living in England, Wales and Scotland.

Anyone with a parent born in Ireland is automatically eligible for a passport, irrespective of where they live. People with an Irish-born grandparent or a parent who had Irish citizenship at the time of their child’s birth may also qualify.

Northern Ireland residents are also entitled to citizenship. Adam Quinn tweeted: “From Belfast, proud to be British but definitely getting an Irish passport to retain EU citizenship. Lucky I can do so.”

As well as the spike in UK Google searches for “getting an Irish passport”, there was evidence that panicked expatriates were trying to acquire citizenship and naturalisation in other EU countries.

Charles Masters, a translator who can certify legal documents, said he had received six or seven applications on Friday from Brits living in France seeking French passports.


“A lot of people were thinking they wouldn’t have to worry about getting French nationality. Now all of a sudden it’s ‘Oh Jesus!’” said Masters, who lives in Burgundy.

He said getting French citizenship was relatively straightforward. You need to have lived in the country for five years and to have no criminal record. The cost is a couple of hundred euros.

Masters, who is originally from Reading, said: “I’m gutted by the result. We got French nationality ourselves two-and-a-half years ago. We were thinking: ‘You never know.’ Now ‘you never know’ has actually happened. We are in shock.”


Other people resorted to humour to disguise their frustration and disappointment at the Brexit result. Some said they were accepting proposals or were seeking sham marriages. Other EU citizens said they were taking bids.

There was a wry realisation among international travellers on Friday that having a post-Brexit British passport would mean standing in the unfashionable slow-moving non-EU queue at airports. The days of gliding through the quick lane are drawing to a end.



Looking forward to getting off a plane full of Brits and watching them queue behind the chinese guy trying to get his point across to the one immigration officer in the non EU queue while I head to my sunlounger after sailing through....:dance:

[DemolitionRed]

He said getting French citizenship was relatively straightforward. You need to have lived in the country for five years and to have no criminal record. The cost is a couple of hundred euros.


If you study in France for two consecutive years then you can apply for citizenship.

The thing a lot of ex pats will fail is the oral and written French test. There’s a lot of Brits living in France who can’t speak or understand French.

[arista]

Assuming we leave.

I think we're staying in no matter what.

*fixes tin hat*


Yes we are Out For Good
Our Great PM accepts he lost
what a Guy

[Cherie]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-record-number-of-britons-worldwide-have-applied-for-irish-passports-to-safeguard-their-positions/ar-AApoLrC?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartandhp



Britons living all around the world are applying for Irish passports to “safeguard their positions” after Brexit, the country’s UK ambassador has revealed.
Daniel Mulhall said many of a record 500,000 applications in the first half of 2017 had come from British people who fear losing their rights to live and work in the EU after withdrawal.
That increase comes on the back of a 40 per cent rise in the number of Britons seeking Irish passports in the second half of 2016, immediately after the EU referendum.
“It’s risen very significantly,” Mr Mulhall told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “We have to attribute that to the impact of last year’s referendum.”

[Vicky.]

Noone in my family is from anywhere else so I can't :(

[Underscore]

My gran came from Slovenia in the 40s but don't think I could utilise on that

[bots]

if you have the appropriate skills you will be in demand around the world no matter what passport you have. People should concentrate on achieving things in life rather than expect to get them handed on a plate

[Headie]

Noone in my family is from anywhere else so I can't :(

Same, mine are African so that's no use :laugh:

[arista]

So if we leave, will you apply for a passport say is you have an Irish Granny so you can have dual nationality thereby affording easy access to Europe if you want to work?


Can they work?
I will pay CASH & all their Legal TAXES
For assistance in 2 Offices.

No Robot will go near them,

All is Good TS

[arista]

Same, mine are African so that's no use :laugh:


Some African Grannies
are in Big demand - they Work HARDER
Hayden

[Cherie]

if you have the appropriate skills you will be in demand around the world no matter what passport you have. People should concentrate on achieving things in life rather than expect to get them handed on a plate

i if you don't have to apply for visas and stuff though, its a pain having to get a visa and pay for it when you go to the states and it really adds up if there is a few of you going :fist: say if you travel to Europe 2 or 3 times a year it would be useful to have an EU passport, its bad enough..do I sound like the vodaphone ad..its bad enough having to get a code from the DVLA to prove you have no points on you licence if you hire a car though I don't bother with that any more as no one abroad asks for it :hee:

[jaxie]

So if we leave, will you apply for a passport say is you have an Irish Granny so you can have dual nationality thereby affording easy access to Europe if you want to work?

When we leave I won't be needing an Irish passport!

[Livia]

My grandmother comes from Germany. She moved straight from a concentration camp to the UK just after the last time the Germans ran Europe. So no, I won't be using her nationality for a passport.

[Cherie]

Big spike in Irish passport applications

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46030552

the best bit of the 5 live show this morning was hard line Brexiteers ringing in using anonymity saying they had got one "for their kids'


:joker:

[user104658]

if you have the appropriate skills you will be in demand around the world no matter what passport you have. People should concentrate on achieving things in life rather than expect to get them handed on a plate

I think you're underestimating how difficult it is to live abroad long-term no matter how in demand your skills are... at the end of the day, your right to reside in a country is up to the government of that country, not an employer. I know more than one person who has been "sent home" after a couple of years and had to live with their parents again, despite having been in full employment.

[user104658]

My stupid ancestry is all Scottish and you have to go back too many generations to find me Oirish roots (My dad's maternal grandmother was from ROI). :fist:

Both of my wife's grandparents on her Mum's side are Irish but I don't know if that's on any use to our kids? :think: ... They also both moved over to England in their 20's and had British passports etc. so I dunno if they even count as properly Irish.

[Jessica.]

:dance:

http://puu.sh/BTTdA/d41675dedb.jpg

[smudgie]

Having never owned a passport, I wonder if I am neutral:joker:

[arista]

Big spike in Irish passport applications

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46030552

the best bit of the 5 live show this morning was hard line Brexiteers ringing in using anonymity saying they had got one "for their kids'


:joker:



Yes they are making money out of the rush

[arista]

:dance:

http://puu.sh/BTTdA/d41675dedb.jpg


Perfect for you Jess

[Jessica.]

Perfect for you JessThank you.

[Livia]

According to Ancestry DNA I am 1% Irish (which is a complete mystery to our family!). Not sure that would be enough for a passport...

My fella has a US passport, he studied here and works here now. He's also worked in mainland Europe. I suppose it all depends on which skills you can offer and luckily his are in demand.

[Cherie]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/record-number-of-britons-seeking-irish-passports-ahead-of-brexit/ar-BBRD6wc?ocid=spartandhp



The number of British citizens applying for Irish passports rose by 22% in 2018, Ireland’s foreign office said on Monday, more than doubling the total of annual applications since Britain voted to leave the European Union.
News, analysis and expert opinion as the UK gets closer to leaving the European Union
Almost 100,000 eligible Britons sought to hang onto their EU citizenship via a passport from their nearest neighbour this year, up from 81,000 last year and 46,000 in 2015, the year before the Brexit vote led to a sharp rise in applications.

[Cherie]

My stupid ancestry is all Scottish and you have to go back too many generations to find me Oirish roots (My dad's maternal grandmother was from ROI). :fist:

Both of my wife's grandparents on her Mum's side are Irish but I don't know if that's on any use to our kids? :think: ... They also both moved over to England in their 20's and had British passports etc. so I dunno if they even count as properly Irish.

No, it has to be parent or grandparent, If they moved to England in their 20s they were born in Ireland so will have Irish birth certs so your wife would definitely be eligible and maybe then that would stand as the parent with an Irish passport and your kids could get one, I dunno…. no harm in enquiring

[Micky]

So if we leave, will you apply for a passport say is you have an Irish Granny so you can have dual nationality thereby affording easy access to Europe if you want to work?

Nope.

[Cherie]

Remember when people laughed at me :idc: