Should Scotland have another referendum soon

[lewis111]

Should Scotland have the opportunity to vote for independence again seeing as all constituencies voted to stay in the EU and if so when?

And for Scottish members, would your vote change

[Northern Monkey]

Well some are saying that if Scotland broke away from the UK then they would have to reapply to join the EU,they would have to take the Euro as their currency as all new EU countries,they would have to go under a massive austerity programme and they may end up like Greece.
But i voted Don't care.

[Wizard.]

There's not a chance in hell. England would remove free movement of people the only way to get to Scotland (assuming you're not flying) from the EU is to travel through England making it easy for people to come here illegally. Scotland would adopt the failing Euro, and because of Scotland's bad economy they would not be a contributor to the Europeon Union leaving France and Germany to look after them financially it's not going to happen.

[Wizard.]

Also Nicola Sturgeon has failed 2 referendums it's about time she pissed off

[Crimson Dynamo]

no

not yet anyway

[kirklancaster]

Also Nicola Sturgeon has failed 2 referendums it's about time she pissed off

The stumpy little bitch is horrendous and revolts me. I wish she would piss off - preferably to Brussels.

[user104658]

It's a tricky one, it would have to be ideally timed - long enough from this referrendum to see the way things are going, but also before Brexit is fully implemented in a few years' time.

There's not a chance in hell. England would remove free movement of people the only way to get to Scotland (assuming you're not flying) from the EU is to travel through England making it easy for people to come here illegally.

:joker: What bull**** is this? For one, there are already sea routes to Europe from the east coast of Scotland that could be easily expanded. For another - even if ports didn't already exist - it wouldn't exactly be impossible to build them? Scotland believe it or not, is not landlocked.

[arista]

Well there is 2 years
to go so No Hurry

[Tom4784]

Why not, let's **** things up even further.

[arista]

The stumpy little bitch is horrendous and revolts me. I wish she would piss off - preferably to Brussels.



But she has MP's in Our Parliament
that have votes in Our stuff


Because Ed Miliband failed in Scotland

[arista]

Why not, let's **** things up even further.



There is No Rush
Dezzy

[user104658]

Are you fecking delusional? It was the Scots - every fecking area which voted REMAIN. It was Sturgeon who said that Scotland's future lies with the EU NOT the UK.

The Scots WANT devolution - not me - and if they want it, then let them have it.

The Scots WANT to remain in the EU - not me - and if they want it then let them have it.

And all the shet which comes from having it.

And that excuses your use of deliberately inflamatory and (undeniably this time, Kirk) xenophobic slur-terms like "jocks"? I get that your balls are swollen after the Leave result Kirk but I'd suggest you retire to the bathroom and sort yourself out, because you're on thin ****ing ice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

twice as many people in London voted to remain than in Scotland

[user104658]

twice as many people in London voted to remain than in Scotland

Get rid of them too yarrrr set up a new capital in a nice British pub that sells only Real Ale and doesn't allow in foreign johnnies London is basically Muslim now anyway yarr ayaaarrrr let those European nazi filth-pigs have them along with us Jocks yarr.

[kirklancaster]

And that excuses your use of deliberately inflamatory and (undeniably this time, Kirk) xenophobic slur-terms like "jocks"? I get that your balls are swollen after the Leave result Kirk but I'd suggest you retire to the bathroom and sort yourself out, because you're on thin ****ing ice.

:joker::laugh: I have two friends - one from my schooldays - who are both Scottish, and both are called; 'Jock'.

No xenophobia or slur intended, and I will delete my post.

But I take exception to you labelling me xenophobic.

[user104658]

:joker::laugh: I have two friends - one from my schooldays - who are both Scottish, and both are called; 'Jock'.

No xenophobia or slur intended, and I will delete my post.

But I take exception to you labelling me xenophobic.

My wife's grandad is a little Irish fellow called Patrick but I still manage not to go around calling Irish people "Paddies". The tone of the post made it perfectly clear that the word was being used intending offense Kirk and that is xenophobia... if you don't want to be labelled xenophobic, don't do it?

[kirklancaster]

My wife's grandad is a little Irish fellow called Patrick but I still manage not to go around calling Irish people "Paddies". The tone of the post made it perfectly clear that the word was being used intending offense Kirk and that is xenophobia... if you don't want to be labelled xenophobic, don't do it?

My post has gone and I've been punished.

As for being labelled xenophobic on here - I really couldn't care less any more. So fire away.

[lewis111]

I think we should, but only if the SNP are sure they would win, otherwise it's a waste of even more money
The Scots have spoken and want to remain in EU, 62%

[Beso]

got to laugh at the big bad enemy(london) voting the same way as the scots..but no, there should not be another refurendum in sacotland..

they voted stay and stay thjey bgloody well will

[user104658]

I think we should, but only if the SNP are sure they would win, otherwise it's a waste of even more money
The Scots have spoken and want to remain in EU, 62%

I've seen a figure quoted that another referrendum should only be called if a significant number of polls are showing 60%+ support. That seems fairly sensible. We wouldn't want some result where something low like 52% constitutes and accurate indicator of desires for a country's entire political future. Oh wait...

[Crimson Dynamo]

there is an irony that during the scottish ref Scots were saying they want control and that decisions were made in London etc and England said "oh f off Scotland"

forward on 2 years and england were saying they want control and that decisions were made in Brussels etc

and they voted for to leave



:think:

[user104658]

there is an irony that during the scottish ref Scots were saying they want control and that decisions were made in London etc and England said "oh f off Scotland"

forward on 2 years and england were saying they want control and that decisions were made in Brussels etc

and they voted for to leave



:think:

"That's ridiculous, why would a smaller nation want control over their own destiny? Strength in numbers, more security as a part of a bigger collective with more power, it's the only way! Oh wait, you mean *us*? No no no no no, we need to have control over our own destiny! Out!"

[Denver]

Let them go but they will be the one running back when it goes tits up then we can say **** you also they generally believe they will be granted immediate access to the EU!?

[Niamh.]

Let them go but they will be the one running back when it goes tits up then we can say **** you also they generally believe they will be granted immediate access to the EU!?

why wouldn't they be?

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[Denver]

why wouldn't they be?

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Because there is already a que of countries waiting to be approved they would need to join the back of the que

[Smithy]

Queue Adam

[Niamh.]

Because there is already a que of countries waiting to be approved they would need to join the back of the que

No they wouldn't, they've already been members and didn't opt to vote out individually

[user104658]

Because there is already a que of countries waiting to be approved they would need to join the back of the que

I'm pretty sure it's not Tesco... it doesn't work on a "first come first served" basis, but rather on conditions that a country get themselves into a domestic political position that makes them compatible with the EU (which Scotland already is).

[Denver]

No they wouldn't, they've already been members and didn't opt to vote out individually

Great Britain voted out Scotland are part of GB yes that part may have wanted to stay but the majority of GB didn't therefore 4 countries Voted out

[Smithy]

:joker:.I'm pretty sure it's not Tesco.. it doesn't work on a "first come first served" basis, but rather on conditions that a country get themselves into a domestic political position that makes them compatible with the EU (which Scotland already is).
:joker::joker::joker:

[y.winter]

No. It will be stupid.

[Niamh.]

Great Britain voted out Scotland are part of GB yes that part may have wanted to stay but the majority of GB didn't therefore 4 countries Voted out

Of the 4 countries 2 wanted to remain in the EU :hee:

[Livia]

twice as many people in London voted to remain than in Scotland

Twice as many people live in London than live in Scotland. And a good proportion of them are Scottish.

there should definitely be a referendum on whether Scotland remain part of the UK and it should be soon. Only this time, it should be England voting on whether we want Scotland to remain.

[Ross.]

I'm pretty sure it's not Tesco...

:joker:

[user104658]

Twice as many people live in London than live in Scotland. And a good proportion of them are Scottish.

there should definitely be a referendum on whether Scotland remain part of the UK and it should be soon. Only this time, it should be England voting on whether we want Scotland to remain.
I hope so, England has aptly demonstrated their desire to be isolationists so Scotland would have a much better chance of getting out if you were the ones voting :hee:

[joeysteele]

I'd say yes, whenever they want one.

[Livia]

I hope so, England has aptly demonstrated their desire to be isolationists so Scotland would have a much better chance of getting out if you were the ones voting :hee:

I know.

[user104658]

I know.
They'll come for Jew next, you know.

[Vicky.]

I can see why they would want to. Yet again they have been completely ignored after the whole country pretty much voted to remain. Same with NI. Must be frustrating.

Bet Sturgeon is creaming her knickers today at the thought of having another one. If Scotland get a vote every year or two they will eventually leave, bet there are no more offered once that happened :laugh:

[Livia]

They'll come for Jew next, you know.

I'm not worried, we've been thrown out of better countries than this.

[Kyle]

Yep, give it them.

Northern Ireland too.

[Black Dagger]

Yes, and I hope they distance themselves from our pathetic country :clap1:

[Tom4784]

Time to consider moving to Scotland tbh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Time to consider moving to Scotland tbh.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UC6uZ1SRbkI/TZ9e3x-miJI/AAAAAAAAAC8/wD1Sfm4PqrU/s1600/No-Vacancies-sign-in-Hote-001.jpg

[Livia]

I think disgruntled English people should be assisted to move to Scotland.

[Tom4784]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UC6uZ1SRbkI/TZ9e3x-miJI/AAAAAAAAAC8/wD1Sfm4PqrU/s1600/No-Vacancies-sign-in-Hote-001.jpg

If they let you stick around i'm sure they can make room for me :flutter:

[kirklancaster]

Twice as many people live in London than live in Scotland. And a good proportion of them are Scottish.

there should definitely be a referendum on whether Scotland remain part of the UK and it should be soon. Only this time, it should be England voting on whether we want Scotland to remain.

:joker::joker::joker: Here, here.

[hijaxers]

Also Nicola Sturgeon has failed 2 referendums it's about time she pissed off

Sure ain't no caviar in her guts

[kirklancaster]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UC6uZ1SRbkI/TZ9e3x-miJI/AAAAAAAAAC8/wD1Sfm4PqrU/s1600/No-Vacancies-sign-in-Hote-001.jpg

:joker::joker::joker:

[bots]

i will be taking up my option of a Scottish passport :cheer2:

[kirklancaster]

i will be taking up my option of a Scottish passport :cheer2:

:nono: You'll have to arm wrestle LT to be able to get one BOTS - 'No Vacancies'. :hee:

[bots]

:nono: You'll have to arm wrestle LT to be able to get one BOTS - 'No Vacancies'. :hee:

i don't need to live there to get one :hee:

[Jack.]

Well as the voting shows Scotland don't want to leave the EU so I think a referendum is needed soon, So then Scotland and the voters now were they stand.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes, but they should wait until the UK is financially ready to give it to them which hopefully will be within a few years.

[Jack.]

I've been told that northern ireland want out of the uk aswell don't they?

[T*]

They can't just get cold feet and ask for a recount. They've been given a vote and they said no. End of.




but I also really don't care if they stay or leave

[Kizzy]

Yep and I'm moving asap.

[Mystic Mock]

Let them go but they will be the one running back when it goes tits up then we can say **** you also they generally believe they will be granted immediate access to the EU!?

Do you mean like when the whole of the UK will come running back to the EU?

[Mystic Mock]

I think disgruntled English people should be assisted to move to Scotland.

Yes I'll be with my fellow kindred spirits that actually care about our fiances and having tighter alliances and influence.

[jaxie]

No I think they've had their vote and we need a period of stability now. Also with the price of fuel now they wouldn't have much hope of standing alone.

[jaxie]

I've been told that northern ireland want out of the uk aswell don't they?

Sein Fein do but they are not Northern Ireland.

[Jack_]

Most definitely, and they should rightly take the decision to **** off and leave the Little Englanders to wallow in their new indepedent English-speaking only island empire ruled by the Tories where holiday pay is as little as the US cause 'we're all in this together' and the NHS is no more, cause take back control grrr!

[Niamh.]

Sein Fein do but they are not Northern Ireland.

They are representatives there though.

[Greg!]

Yes I'm sick of Scotland voting for something and getting the opposite. This is the last straw for me tbh

[lewis111]

Yes I'm sick of Scotland voting for something and getting the opposite. This is the last straw for me tbh

Yea same

[user104658]

I'm not worried, we've been thrown out of better countries than this.
:omgno: not on glorious England's glorious day of glory! There are no better countries.

[arista]

Yes I'm sick of Scotland voting for something and getting the opposite. This is the last straw for me tbh



She is taking 12 months on it
to get them on Her side


Z deal with it

[arista]

I've been told that northern ireland want out of the uk aswell don't they?


Not all of them

[reece(:]

Yes, and I hope they distance themselves from our pathetic country :clap1:

:clap1:

[andybigbro]

NO!!!!!!! thanks

[Brother Leon]

Yeah. Take us(London) with you too please.

[Josy]

Still NAW

[EspeonBB]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't a big reason why Scotland voted against independence because they would struggle to get EU benefits? Now that's out the window I think they should be able to vote again

[lewis111]

The reasons so many Scots voted to stay was to stay in the EU

[MB.]

Yes, and I hope they distance themselves from our pathetic country :clap1:

.

[Mystic Mock]

Can Scotland take me with them please?

I'm fed up of being stuck with idiots, and not meaning to sound arrogant but I'm just too good to be hanging around idiots that want to damage me.

[arista]

Can Scotland take me with them please?

I'm fed up of being stuck with idiots, and not meaning to sound arrogant but I'm just too good to be hanging around idiots that want to damage me.


You can Move up there
ask Z
for help

[Wizard.]

People think ScotLond will actually become a thing LOL

[Cal.]

Will the EU even want Scotland without England? I didn't think Scotland had much money by themselves. That being said, they should be given a chance so give them another one.

[Wizard.]

Will the EU even want Scotland without England? I didn't think Scotland had much money by themselves. That being said, they should be given a chance so give them another one.

One of the many EU presidents said that the EU is happy to accept any one who wants to join them. That sums it all up doesn't it! See Turkey join within the next 10 years - that's if the whole EU doesn't collapse first.

[Vicky.]

One of the many EU presidents said that the EU is happy to accept any one who wants to join them. That sums it all up doesn't it! See Turkey join within the next 10 years - that's if the whole EU doesn't collapse first.

Well they first applied in 1987, about time they got in :laugh:

I don't really understand why this Turkey thing is a big deal. Can't be about immigration again surely as even without being in the EU we have a lot of Turks over here already. Most pizza shops and such round here are owned by Turks too...

[Wizard.]

Well they first applied in 1987, about time they got in :laugh:

I don't really understand why this Turkey thing is a big deal. Can't be about immigration again surely as even without being in the EU we have a lot of Turks over here already. Most pizza shops and such round here are owned by Turks too...

Err direct access from the Middle East?

[microscope]

Yes of course. Make Nicola Sturgeon queen of Scotland to, she would look very fitting with a crown upon her ugly head lol :laugh:

The main thing is that we don't let them use our pound notes or even pence, let them have the Euro gladly or they just keep their own Scottish notes that most people who don't live in Scotland usually turn their nose up at if they are given Scottish notes in our change at a shop and we usually say, "Have you got an English note?" haha :P

Basically on a serious note, I shall just say that if Queen Nicola tells us all that it's time for Scotland to independent, then let it happen, it doesn't really matter one bit.

[Livia]

Scotland should be allowed to have a referendum of course. This time though, promise them what they would actually get.... nothing. Cut all ties, take back the pound, keep our flag as it is for historical reasons, wish them luck with their application to join the EU. Because they'll need every single state to agree on them joining and Spain will never agree to it, not with Catalonia pushing for independence. So yeah, go it alone if you want Scotland, and best of luck with it. Seriously.. I hope it goes well. Of course all the British business that's there would be pulled back to England, all the military stuff of course and the military records office in Glasgow. Not sure what would happen with the Royal residences... perhaps Scotland would like to make us an offer for them?

[DemolitionRed]

Scotland has an independence party in charge that by its very nature will always be aiming at an independent scotland . Whilst Brexit might trigger its leaving, it isnt the cause of its leaving. If not this then the next then the next.

[Cherie]

Scotland has an independence party in charge that by its very nature will always be aiming at an independent scotland . Whilst Brexit might trigger its leaving, it isnt the cause of its leaving. If not this then the next then the next.


The Scots had a once in a lifetime chance to exit which they turned down, they had no reason to call for another vote until yesterday.

[joeysteele]

The prejudice of some against Scotland and its capabilities is astonishing, so much for a United Kingdom.

I think the Scottish govt should wait and see what, after all the hoo ha and give us independence back from 'leave', just what is the deal in the end with the UK negotiators.
If the deal is as I expect, that we remain in the single market and still have to accept in the greater part or fully, the free movement of EU citizens,then Scotland will see little change likely to how things are now.

If however,the UK insists on not having any free movement of EU citizens and does leave the single market,then the Scots should request a new referendum.
Those who can only make negative slurs to Scotland may then get a shock as to an independent Scotland.
I think the EU Nations would do all it can to fast track Scotland to remaining an EU member as it is now as part of the UK.

I further think the EU would assist the transition from the rest of the UK too.

However in addition, I would think it very possible those foreign investors and companies doing so in England and Wales at present may just move their investments to Scotland,with it remaining in the EU.
Those who would be pompously joyous at their expected fall of a independent Scotland, may just see the opposite take place.

I would support the futures of any forward looking Nations like Scotland any day of the week over any walking backwards as the UK overall has just done, thanks to England and sadly massively and surprisingly Wales too.

[Johnnyuk123]

If Scotland want to leave the UK then they should.

[joeysteele]

The Scots had a once in a lifetime chance to exit which they turned down, they had no reason to call for another vote until yesterday.

They did vote in 2014 to remain in the UK while the UK was part of the EU.
They were even told that was their best way to secure continuing EU membership.

At the time of the referendum in Scotland, no party in the UK looked like winning an election outright so no EU referendum was even on the cards let alone guaranteed.
David Cameron did stress in May 2015, there would only be an EU referendum 'if' the Conservatives won an overall majority,something he never expected to happen at all.

That for me, should make that first Scottish referendum void,as they voted on a totally false position that voting to remain in the UK also meant being safe as a member of the EU too.
So they should get one and I think they could do even better than England if they went for it next time.

[bots]

There could well be support for it on the day the UK made a fundamental choice, but that may well change as time goes by and the realities of brexit become more clear, who knows.

We know a referendum will not be called unless there is overwhelming chance of independence being supported. If that circumstance becomes a reality, then of course they should have their referendum because at that point they will want independence. No doubts about it.

[DemolitionRed]

The Scots had a once in a lifetime chance to exit which they turned down, they had no reason to call for another vote until yesterday.

but it wasn't a once in a lifetime chance. SNP existence is based on getting independence for Scotland.

[Livia]

The prejudice of some against Scotland and its capabilities is astonishing, so much for a United Kingdom.

I think the Scottish govt should wait and see what, after all the hoo ha and give us independence back from 'leave', just what is the deal in the end with the UK negotiators.
If the deal is as I expect, that we remain in the single market and still have to accept in the greater part or fully, the free movement of EU citizens,then Scotland will see little change likely to how things are now.

If however,the UK insists on not having any free movement of EU citizens and does leave the single market,then the Scots should request a new referendum.
Those who can only make negative slurs to Scotland may then get a shock as to an independent Scotland.
I think the EU Nations would do all it can to fast track Scotland to remaining an EU member as it is now as part of the UK.

I further think the EU would assist the transition from the rest of the UK too.

However in addition, I would think it very possible those foreign investors and companies doing so in England and Wales at present may just move their investments to Scotland,with it remaining in the EU.
Those who would be pompously joyous at their expected fall of a independent Scotland, may just see the opposite take place.

I would support the futures of any forward looking Nations like Scotland any day of the week over any walking backwards as the UK overall has just done, thanks to England and sadly massively and surprisingly Wales too.

The prejudice against England from Scotland had always been astonishing. They want out... let them go.

[Tom4784]

I'm actually all for it and I hope they get it. I hope NI and Scotland get a chance to break away from the UK. They deserve the chance to make their own decisions after this ****show.

[Livia]

So long as they understand that the Barnett formula will end.

[Denver]

Here for the border then they can deport the rest

[Kizzy]

I'd trust Scotland to make a better job of being a stand alone country than us.

[kirklancaster]

The HYPOCRISY on this forum is staggering.

My stomach TURNS from all the whinging and whining from certain members whose posts have denigrated this country at every opportunity, yet, now, these are the very same members who are whinging and whining that other members are denigrating Scotland.

We have voted to close the door on Brussels, but it seems that once the result of the democratic Referendum was known, all logic and all fairness from certain people on here has flown through it while it is still open.

I have been wrongfully accused of being 'immature' and 'smug' since the Brexit victory, which is a lie - because a small amount of tongue-in-cheek banter with other 'Leave' members aside - I have not 'gloated' or took any comfort in the sorrow or anxieties of any 'Remain' members on here.

What I have done, is ramped my moderation up when I have been unfairly trolled and targeted.

I thought that all the acrimony - from whichever side - would diminish once the Referendum was over, and with it, all propaganda, 'point scoring', and hysterical scaremongering -- but it is increasing.

The great difference between our Entry into the EU, and our Exit out of it, is that 42 years ago, after being lied to by Edward Heath, we did not know what we had signed up to - now, despite the claims to the contrary of some, we KNEW that there would be some adverse changes in the short term.

It is disingenuous for anyone to claim any different.

I appeal for peace and commonsense to prevail upon here and for any genuine concerns which any member wishes to air, to be discussed and debated in a mature, intelligent fashion.

Because this claim and counter claim amidst a sea of growing animosity is benefitting no one.