EU Referendum result - Are you pleased or disappointed?

[Scarlett.]

I actually felt sorry for Remain at first and sympathized with their loss, but then I saw how nasty the majority of the sore losers were being and all the pity I felt just withered away, so, might as well enjoy winding 'em up.

This isn't some BB eviction. The whole thing is real and will affect a lot of people, its not about being "sore losers" it's about being deeply worried about where the UK is headed economically and politically. This fear and worry naturally generates anger. Remember the gap between leave and remain was just over 1m. Like, think how close that actually is. It's almost a split down the middle of the country.

[Scarlett.]

Overreaction.

Hardly.

[Beso]

What evidence do you have that a lot of Leave voters are racists?



Facebook Jeremy.:joker:

[Marsh.]

This isn't some BB eviction.

I've lost count of the number of people who seem fit to inform us it wasn't a BB or X Factor vote.

You're kidding? :o

[Marsh.]

Hardly.

Extreme.

[Tom4784]

I actually felt sorry for Remain at first and sympathized with their loss, but then I saw how nasty the majority of the sore losers were being and all the pity I felt just withered away, so, might as well enjoy winding 'em up.

Please, Leave has all the racist thugs, EDL, and the Britain First inbreds. If you think people being annoyed at Leave winning is 'nasty' then be thankful Leave didn't lose because blood would have been spilled.

[armand.kay]

Apparently holiday prices are going to rise though, right before I book mine. Bloody typical :fist:

Bye I have trips to Prague, Zante and Brussels on the cards for next year.

[reece(:]

Bye I have trips to Prague, Zante and Brussels on the cards for next year.

I've Zante marked too NOT here for having to go to Bulgaria instead!

[Scarlett.]

I've lost count of the number of people who seem fit to inform us it wasn't a BB or X Factor vote.

You're kidding? :o

Well to be fair the language I'm seeing in this thread makes me think that perhaps some people don't know the difference. Feelings don't just disappear because the ever so slightly majority voted against those us. Leave keep talking about how they want to make Britain great again, well that will include closing the gulf that this referendum has created.

[Scarlett.]

Extreme.

The £ will be devalued by quite an amount, it might not be an extreme amount, but its more pressure on the most desperate.

We're currently in between Prime Ministers, with no idea of when article 50 will be invoked.

Scotland WILL demand another Scottish Independence referendum, and I have a feeling they might be wanting to vote leave themselves.

The leave vote has very likely cause a bit of a stir in Northern Ireland too, which we're going to have to keep a close eye on.

And lastly, I know Leave voters seemingly hate the EU, but this could be the beginning of the end for the EU, but the EU crashing is in no way a good thing at all, it would cause even more chaos and panic than the Brexit itself, especially in countries like Greece. It would also have ramifications for the UK itself.

[kirklancaster]

Extremely disappointed - that 'Leave' did not win by an even greater majority.

The UK has finally broken out of the prison which the abhorrent Edward Heath conned us into 42 long years ago - and we did it without the help of Michael Scofield :hee:

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDfVulhYpQywFSJHZC-vcjrBPLuJoJIo0cVVjlWBB-4T27KPg3

[armand.kay]

This isn't some BB eviction. The whole thing is real and will affect a lot of people, its not about being "sore losers" it's about being deeply worried about where the UK is headed economically and politically. This fear and worry naturally generates anger. Remember the gap between leave and remain was just over 1m. Like, think how close that actually is. It's almost a split down the middle of the country.
Well to be fair the language I'm seeing in this thread makes me think that perhaps some people don't know the difference. Feelings don't just disappear because the ever so slightly majority voted against those us. Leave keep talking about how they want to make Britain great again, well that will include closing the gulf that this referendum has created.

This this this!!!

I see so much **** on fbook of people saying things like "we're leaving get over it and stop moaning"... Like are you being ****ing serious? This is a massive and scary change that will effect us all for the rest of out lives. We were already seeing some of the concequeces before it was even mid day... How can anyone be anything but a bit passionate about what's happened rn? Especially when it's not even been 24hrs since it was made official? Instead of moaning and winging about the remain lot ruining your victory pint with the reality of what's just happened, try give your take on what's going on. Like people have said in here before we've not just voted out Jayne from BB (as tragic as that would be) or the next Beyoncé from the Xfactor. This is not a case of "hahaha we win stop being so pressed you lefties" "lefties tears ohh" (a used and tiered joke btw). It's more than that imo and I feel like people acting like that have underestimated how important and above that this referendum should be.

How are people who've lost meant to react just sit there quietly and accept the fact that in their eyes their country has let them down massively by ****ing up their future Based on a campaign of half truths, fear and intolerance?

I respect that the majority have spoken and I respect everyone's right to vote but when I'm seeing leave voters being interviewed in disbelief over their vote actually counting and not being sure what they had actually done it does make me furious. One girl on my facebook actually wrote a status asking what it meant now that we'd left Europe, someone replies asking her why she voted to leave if she had no idea what was gonna happen and she responded with (I kid you not) something along the lines of "the Muslims were all gonna be let in from Syria and come here and be violent and I don't want to raise [son's name] in a violent environment" :/.... And yeah I know those two examples are not a representation of all the leave voters but seeing stuff like this kind of supports my theory that a few people who voted leave were not informed enough about the repercussions of making such a decision for Britain. I believe fear mongering, snappy key words intolerance and key words & slogans that made leaving feel as if it was the patriotic and right thing to do was what led a good amount of people to vote out and that's not good enough imo.

I'm not actually sure what we're gonna do now this all seems so chaotic, everyone seems so shocked that we actually voted to leave and it seems like Scotland may want another referendum. So it's not looking like there's a way forward. All I can do is hope that I'm proven wrong and Britain recovers from this greater than ever. :)

[armand.kay]

I've Zante marked too NOT here for having to go to Bulgaria instead!

A trip to Bournemouth instead?

[kirklancaster]

Facebook Jeremy.:joker:

:laugh2:

[Cherie]

This this this!!!

I see so much **** on fbook of people saying things like "we're leaving get over it and stop moaning"... Like are you being ****ing serious? This is a massive and scary change that will effect us all for the rest of out lives. We were already seeing some of the concequeces before it was even mid day... How can anyone be anything but a bit passionate about what's happened rn? Especially when it's not even been 24hrs since it was made official? Instead of moaning and winging about the remain lot ruining your victory pint with the reality of what's just happened, try give your take on what's going on. Like people have said in here before we've not just voted out Jayne from BB (as tragic as that would be) or the next Beyoncé from the Xfactor. This is not a case of "hahaha we win stop being so pressed you lefties" "lefties tears ohh" (a used and tiered joke btw). It's more than that imo and I feel like people acting like that have underestimated how important and above that this referendum should be.

How are people who've lost meant to react just sit there quietly and accept the fact that in their eyes their country has let them down massively by ****ing up their future Based on a campaign of half truths, fear and intolerance?

I respect that the majority have spoken and I respect everyone's right to vote but when I'm seeing leave voters being interviewed in disbelief over their vote actually counting and not being sure what they had actually done it does make me furious. One girl on my facebook actually wrote a status asking what it meant now that we'd left Europe, someone replies asking her why she voted to leave if she had no idea what was gonna happen and she responded with (I kid you not) something along the lines of "the Muslims were all gonna be let in from Syria and come here and be violent and I don't want to raise [son's name] in a violent environment" :/.... And yeah I know those two examples are not a representation of all the leave voters but seeing stuff like this kind of supports my theory that a few people who voted leave were not informed enough about the repercussions of making such a decision for Britain. I believe fear mongering, snappy key words intolerance and key words & slogans that made leaving feel as if it was the patriotic and right thing to do was what led a good amount of people to vote out and that's not good enough imo.

I'm not actually sure what we're gonna do now this all seems so chaotic, everyone seems so shocked that we actually voted to leave and it seems like Scotland may want another referendum. So it's not looking like there's a way forward. All I can do is hope that I'm proven wrong and Britain recovers from this greater than ever. :)

Armand :love: What a thoughtful we'll put together post, I have also heard some astonishing admissions from people who voted to leave, like I voted out to make a stand but I didn't want to leave :conf: I'm think this will have a ripple effect and the ramifications are huge, who knows where this process will take us, hopefully it will be okay, but at the moment it feels like living in a very tense atmosphere just waiting to explode.

[Nedusa]

Extremely disappointed - that 'Leave' did not win by an even greater majority.

The UK has finally broken out of the prison which the abhorrent Edward Heath conned us into 42 long years ago - and we did it without the help of Michael Scofield :hee:

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDfVulhYpQywFSJHZC-vcjrBPLuJoJIo0cVVjlWBB-4T27KPg3

:clap1::clap1:

[Suze]

Very happy and it needed to happen. Other countries are wanting to leave to so we are not alone on that score. At first there will be some panic as is plainly obvious from what we see on tv and in the papers and the web, but that will die down in time. Business will continue as before as there are always people out there in the world ready to take our lovely money :blush: but if anybody in Europe says that they don't want to sell you their product then screw them and find someone else, it's that easy.

The pound has gone down which is natural at this particular time but that will be a temporary thing and will rise again when things start to settle down. It can actually be a good thing for those in Europe who wish to buy products from the UK as if their Euro goes up then they get better value for money. Of course it is not the same the other way round as it costs us more to buy in from European countries, so what you do is either spend less or buy British or haggle for a better price.

The main thing is of course immigration and being able to control our borders and not have those twats in Brussels to bow down to as we can do as we please, which is the way it should be and will save us Billions of pounds which we can certainly put to better use :smug:

Just spotted your post whilst reading through some of this thread, and just want to say, good post :thumbs:

[Cherie]

To all the still bitter remainers.... We won, we're out, we're happy, so you might as well get over it because moaning and whining and showing yourselves up isn't going to get you anywhere. You lost. Suck it up ;(

You said you didn't vote, so you opted for the status quo..you lost :tongue:

[bots]

I think we need to look at why the vote was out because although each who supported that decision believes it was because everyone had a common goal, it is far from reality.

Some voted because they wanted control of immigration, some to take back political control from Brussels, but I think the majority voted exit because they were just generally dissatisfied with their current circumstances and wanted to vote exit to register that feeling.

In a standard general election, people basicallly have a choice of 2 parties. The majority are unhappy with both of them but consider one the lesser of the evils. so although dissatisfied, they pick one to support. The EU referendum gave all those voters the opportunity to say ... we dislike you all, so they voted for brexit.

Even amongst the political groups that supported and campaigned for brexit, there is little evidence of any agreement between them, they just each cherry picked a reason to be dissatisfied and ran with it. In those circumstances its easy to find a voter who will agree.

So, if general dissatisfaction was the real reason for voting brexit, we now have a circumstance where our main political parties are in dissarray, so in that respect, the aim has been achieved. The parties will now have to re-allign themselves to represent what people really think is important them, so believe it or not, its probably for the best and this is coming from someone who took the vote for what it was ... a vote about the EU and voted to remain.

[microscope]

Just spotted your post whilst reading through some of this thread, and just want to say, good post :thumbs:

Thankyou :hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bye I have trips to Prague, Zante and Brussels on the cards for next year.

we are in the EU for the next 2 years

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think we need to look at why the vote was out because although each who supported that decision believes it was because everyone had a common goal, it is far from reality.

Some voted because they wanted control of immigration, some to take back political control from Brussels, but I think the majority voted exit because they were just generally dissatisfied with their current circumstances and wanted to vote exit to register that feeling.

In a standard general election, people basicallly have a choice of 2 parties. The majority are unhappy with both of them but consider one the lesser of the evils. so although dissatisfied, they pick one to support. The EU referendum gave all those voters the opportunity to say ... we dislike you all, so they voted for brexit.

Even amongst the political groups that supported and campaigned for brexit, there is little evidence of any agreement between them, they just each cherry picked a reason to be dissatisfied and ran with it. In those circumstances its easy to find a voter who will agree.

So, if general dissatisfaction was the real reason for voting brexit, we now have a circumstance where our main political parties are in dissarray, so in that respect, the aim has been achieved. The parties will now have to re-allign themselves to represent what people really think is important them, so believe it or not, its probably for the best and this is coming from someone who took the vote for what it was ... a vote about the EU and voted to remain.

really so how do you figure the huge victory for Cameron in the last election?

[Marsh.]

The £ will be devalued by quite an amount, it might not be an extreme amount, but its more pressure on the most desperate.

At the moment. That will change once this initial tantrum is over. The value of the pound is always jumping up and down.

[arista]

At the moment. That will change once this initial tantrum is over. The value of the pound is always jumping up and down.


Yes a Naughty Cock

[_Tom_]

I have only one thing to say as to those of over 65 who it appears have voted more to 'leave' than 'remain', not all of them thankfully.

When 41 years ago, they were voting for their futures, they voted yes to getting closer to Europe in the EEC, with the knowledge, that was said at the time of going in then, this was just the start of the UKs journey in Europe.

Now it is not their futures they were particularly voting on, sadly more of them than not, it appears now voted to 'leave',so to blazes with everyone else.

Perhaps it's because old people actually have life experience and have been directly impacted by the EU?

These are people who have direct experience from before and after the European Union. They have lived through the EU's effect on their lives - and they can see how it's going.

[joeysteele]

Perhaps it's because old people actually have life experience and have been directly impacted by the EU?

These are people who have direct experience from before and after the European Union. They have lived through the EU's effect on their lives - and they can see how it's going.

My point was not that they had not life experience at all but when it was their futures they were voting on, they voted 'in' and were probably over the moon the rest of the Nation backed them by 2 to 1 then too.

This time even with the young of today, like them in 1975, being pro being in the EU by a likely strong margin, they voted for themselves and not the futures of said young of the Nation.

Those who did that,it's their right to do so and vote as they wish but it doesn't alter my point that they wanted different for themselves in 1975.
Which most young of today wanted what they'd had and got in 1975 for them, here in 2016..

[smudgie]

My point was not that they had not life experience at all but when it was their futures they were voting on, they voted 'in' and were probably over the moon the rest of the Nation backed them by 2 to 1 then too.

This time even with the young of today, like them in 1975, being pro being in the EU by a likely strong margin, they voted for themselves and not the futures of said young of the Nation.

Those who did that,it's their right to do so and vote as they wish but it doesn't alter my point that they wanted different for themselves in 1975.
Which most young of today wanted what they'd had and got in 1975 for them, here in 2016..

Not quite sure how old is old in this instance.
There is absolutely no way of knowing if the older generation that have voted this time even bothered voting last time never mind if they actually voted the opposite to last time, so it's a rather big assumption Joey.
Back in the seventies there was no internet and not that much telly to be honest, apart from the very boring party political broadcasts at the time or the news, I wonder if the youngsters of the day were anywhere near as interested in it as they are now.

[joeysteele]

Not quite sure how old is old in this instance.
There is absolutely no way of knowing if the older generation that have voted this time even bothered voting last time never mind if they actually voted the opposite to last time, so it's a rather big assumption Joey.
Back in the seventies there was no internet and not that much telly to be honest, apart from the very boring party political broadcasts at the time or the news, I wonder if the youngsters of the day were anywhere near as interested in it as they are now.

I am not assuming anything and I don't do so either.

The news has presented that according to findings, the young that voted did so by around 70% to 30% to stay in.
Also that the older voters over 65 voted around 65% to 35% to leave.

The campaigning team I was part of, the findings there,over 1500 in fact, of talking to people at their doors and at the street stalls are in line with those figures.

I never assume anything, I came across hundreds myself who had voted yes in 1975 who were going to vote leave this time.

However I think even ignoring my own experiences of campaigning and any other means,even just dismissing that work as nonsense.
It was clearly and widely reported daily on the news, the daily politics,the sunday politics and question time programmes,that the more older voters were more for leave and the younger voters for remain.

[smudgie]

I am not assuming anything and I don't do so either.

The news has presented that according to findings, the young that voted did so by around 70% to 30% to stay in.
Also that the older voters over 65 voted around 65% to 35% to leave.

The campaigning team I was part of, the findings there,over 1500 in fact, of talking to people at their doors and at the street stalls are in line with those figures.

I never assume anything, I came across hundreds myself who had voted yes in 1975 who were going to vote leave this time.

However I think even ignoring my own experiences of campaigning and any other means,even just dismissing that work as nonsense.
It was clearly and widely reported daily on the news, the daily politics,the sunday politics and question time programmes,that the more older voters were more for leave and the younger voters for remain.

Yes Joey, I don't dispute your facts, but how can anybody know for a fact that the actual people that voted in last time voted out this time?
No doubt some did..and no doubt some didn't.
That aside, so much has changed over the last 40 odd years you can expect a fair few people to change their minds.:shrug:
Were young people voting in the same percentages over 40 year ago? I know for sure not one of my group of friends bothered voting or had any interest in politics at the time.

[smudgie]

Just had a thought.
What are we going to do about the Euro Lottery once we come out?
Will we keep it but only for the British, change the name etc....in other words just do the normal national lottery but on 4 days a week, can't see the lottery people wanting to miss a trick.:joker:

[bots]

young or old people vote related to their personal circumstances. As young people tend to have less responsibilities and fears they are more likely to vote for a change and step into the dark than those with families.

Those who voted last time are entitled to have a change of mind in the interim :laugh:

I am old enough to remember life before we joined the common market No one was aware at that time that the aim was political union across europe. Had they known, i don't believe it would have received a single vote.

Now we are out, we will be negotiating trade deals with other countries in europe, we will be setting up a common market .... which is what was originally voted for.

You don't see anyone complaining about the prospect of a trade deal, we all want it, so the original vote and aim has been restored.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I still think (my opinion) that a lot of younger voters were voting to stay in Europe geographically and now think that they are not in Europe

[smudgie]

I still think (my opinion) that a lot of younger voters were voting to stay in Europe geographically and now think that they are not in Europe

I wonder if everyone realises we are still all Europeans:shrug:
We haven't changed geographically.
Ooooooh it will beggar the football up a fair bit as well:fist:

[user104658]

I still think (my opinion) that a lot of younger voters were voting to stay in Europe geographically and now think that they are not in Europe

While these people do exist, you are referring to stupid voters, not younger voters, and believe me these people span the entire range of ages.

You would be staggered - utterly staggered - by the number of punters (in general, men aged 40 - 60) who have commented today and yesterday about how it's "England's Last Euro's".

"Those arseholes won't be there next time anyway ha ha!"

"Och, would be nice for them to win, since it's their last..."

Seriously. :facepalm:

[user104658]

Now we are out, we will be negotiating trade deals with other countries in europe, we will be setting up a common market .... which is what was originally voted for.

You don't see anyone complaining about the prospect of a trade deal, we all want it, so the original vote and aim has been restored.


If EU members make it easy for the UK to set up beneficial trade agreements, if they allow the UK to prosper, they will be demonstrating that the UK's exit was a good idea and that may well trigger exits across the board and the complete dismantlement of the EU.

With that in mind;

Do you honestly believe that the bigger pro-EU governments will make it easy for the UK to set up any way decent trade deals?

Honestly?

[Cherie]

While these people do exist, you are referring to stupid voters, not younger voters, and believe me these people span the entire range of ages.

You would be staggered - utterly staggered - by the number of punters (in general, men aged 40 - 60) who have commented today and yesterday about how it's "England's Last Euro's".

"Those arseholes won't be there next time anyway ha ha!"

"Och, would be nice for them to win, since it's their last..."

Seriously. :facepalm:


Somebody said this at work yesterday, so what are we now we are no longer in Europe? :umm2: Honestly I give up at times

[Livia]

If EU members make it easy for the UK to set up beneficial trade agreements, if they allow the UK to prosper, they will be demonstrating that the UK's exit was a good idea and that may well trigger exits across the board and the complete dismantlement of the EU.

With that in mind;

Do you honestly believe that the bigger pro-EU governments will make it easy for the UK to set up any way decent trade deals?

Honestly?

I know you didn't ask me this question, but...

They're still going to want to sell their sh1t to us, it's not a one-way street. So... yes.

[bots]

If EU members make it easy for the UK to set up beneficial trade agreements, if they allow the UK to prosper, they will be demonstrating that the UK's exit was a good idea and that may well trigger exits across the board and the complete dismantlement of the EU.

With that in mind;

Do you honestly believe that the bigger pro-EU governments will make it easy for the UK to set up any way decent trade deals?

Honestly?

Well, I voted to remain :laugh:

But, there will be a lot of gesturing initially. The EU want to strike while its all fresh in the mind, hoping to put the UK at a disadvantage by common agreement. We should and will take it slowly, negotiating deals with countries that provide the best mutual benefit first. Once they are defined and agreed, the smaller countries will have to fall into line

[kirklancaster]

Not quite sure how old is old in this instance.
There is absolutely no way of knowing if the older generation that have voted this time even bothered voting last time never mind if they actually voted the opposite to last time, so it's a rather big assumption Joey.
Back in the seventies there was no internet and not that much telly to be honest, apart from the very boring party political broadcasts at the time or the news, I wonder if the youngsters of the day were anywhere near as interested in it as they are now.

Some good points Smudgie. As you say, we did not have internet back then, but the 'young' people today have, and most of them are very skilled in using it.

Which is one of the things which annoyed me about some young people moaning before the EU Referendum that they 'could not find any information' and were 'confused'. There are hundreds of thousands of pages on the internet about the EU - googling brings them all up.

I bet they would not be confused about where to find information on the latest video game or what style of weaves Paris Hilton is curently wearing - their little fingers would be googling at the speed of light. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Somebody said this at work yesterday, so what are we now we are no longer in Europe? :umm2: Honestly I give up at times

Great point Cherie.

[Gusto Brunt]

Very happy - especially seeing the spiteful way the other Euro leaders are now treating the UK.

Petty behaviour. Pathetic. Showing their true colors now.

[Wizard.]

Very happy - especially seeing the spiteful way the other Euro leaders are now treating the UK.

Petty behaviour. Pathetic. Showing their true colors now.

A group of people who are going to cap your knees because you disagree with them or want to part ways is a group you don't want to be a part of - like the mafia or the plastics.

[user104658]

I know you didn't ask me this question, but...

They're still going to want to sell their sh1t to us, it's not a one-way street. So... yes.

The UK is now the outsider with no safety net. It is the weakest possible negotiating position. Less to offer, less ability to hold out for more... the deals that can realistically be struck with EU member countries are always going to be skewed to the other country's advantage.

[Johnnyuk123]

Some good points Smudgie. As you say, we did not have internet back then, but the 'young' people today have, and most of them are very skilled in using it.

Which is one of the things which annoyed me about some young people moaning before the EU Referendum that they 'could not find any information' and were 'confused'. There are hundreds of thousands of pages on the internet about the EU - googling brings them all up.

I bet they would not be confused about where to find information on the latest video game or what style of weaves Paris Hilton is curently wearing - their little fingers would be googling at the speed of light. :laugh:

Those kids are talking BS saying that they can't find information on the EU but yet it only takes them 3 clicks to get Pamela Anderson having sex on a boat.:shrug:

[Gusto Brunt]

I think we were once called an 'irrelevant' country by the other Euro leaders.

If that's the case why is our exit causing them all to go into paroxysms of fear. They are like headless chickens.

The UK will always be great.

We are the best country in the world. Look at our music, our arts. Our scientists, specialists...adored the world over.

The Americans actually come here to film their movies. The back of the queue my ****.

TALENT.

[Livia]

The UK is now the outsider with no safety net. It is the weakest possible negotiating position. Less to offer, less ability to hold out for more... the deals that can realistically be struck with EU member countries are always going to be skewed to the other country's advantage.

Well, for instance, the UK is BMW's fourth largest market after China, the USA and Germany. If they want to continue to sell to us there will have to be an agreement that favours us too.

We'll have to wait and see, of course... but I don't believe for one minute it's going to be as bad as your painting it, quite the reverse.

[Crimson Dynamo]

While these people do exist, you are referring to stupid voters, not younger voters, and believe me these people span the entire range of ages.

You would be staggered - utterly staggered - by the number of punters (in general, men aged 40 - 60) who have commented today and yesterday about how it's "England's Last Euro's".

"Those arseholes won't be there next time anyway ha ha!"

"Och, would be nice for them to win, since it's their last..."

Seriously. :facepalm:


Yes I think you are right

[Crimson Dynamo]

I note the vile CBI have now changed their tune and are rather optimistic of the pre brexit UK

:whistle:

[Jack_]

We are the best country in the world.

screaming

[_Tom_]

Just had a thought.
What are we going to do about the Euro Lottery once we come out?
Will we keep it but only for the British, change the name etc....in other words just do the normal national lottery but on 4 days a week, can't see the lottery people wanting to miss a trick.:joker:

"As of 10.00am on Friday 24th June 2016, the UK has voted for Brexit. This will not affect the ability of UK residents to play EuroMillions; visit the EuroMillions Brexit page for more information.

Regardless of whether the UK remains in the EU or not, players will still be able to buy EuroMillions tickets, just like Great Britain will still enter EuroVision each year and European football competitions will stay the same. However, the economy is likely to be affected and shifting exchange rates will be analysed closely, and this could have a direct effect on the value of EuroMillions prizes won in the UK."

https://www.euro-millions.com/news/how-would-eu-exit-impact-on-euromillions-in-the-uk

[user104658]

I think we were once called an 'irrelevant' country by the other Euro leaders.

If that's the case why is our exit causing them all to go into paroxysms of fear. They are like headless chickens.

The UK will always be great.

We are the best country in the world. Look at our music, our arts. Our scientists, specialists...adored the world over.

The Americans actually come here to film their movies. The back of the queue my ****.

TALENT.

Our scientists and specialists have indeed been some of the best in the world historically because we have had an exemplary education system, which is now being decimated.

Our music, artists, novelists, talent... again all world class, because we have been allowed the individual freedoms and space for creativity to make that possible. That is now being systematically chipped away by austerity.

(And just FYI, Hollywood comes here, and to Canada, Australia, etc. to film movies because the big US locations like California and the iconic cities charge huge taxes to film there... they come because it's cheaper and has comparable architecture.)

Britain has been strong but it would be a HUGE mistake to become complacent. Especially now.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659802/Tory-Brexiteer-Dan-Hannan-insists-quitting-EU-does-NOT-mean-dramatic-cuts-number-immigrants-coming-Britain.html

Tory Brexiteer Dan Hannan insists quitting the EU does NOT mean dramatic cuts to the number of immigrants coming to Britain



Aw...

[user104658]

Tory Brexiteer Dan Hannan insists quitting the EU does NOT mean dramatic cuts to the number of immigrants coming to Britain


Aw...

Such shock! Ehmagerd...

[Jack_]

Anyone who voted to leave the EU believing there'd be a dramatic decrease in immigration is an idiot quite frankly, since most migration to the UK comes from outside of the EU

[kirklancaster]

If EU members make it easy for the UK to set up beneficial trade agreements, if they allow the UK to prosper, they will be demonstrating that the UK's exit was a good idea and that may well trigger exits across the board and the complete dismantlement of the EU.

With that in mind;

Do you honestly believe that the bigger pro-EU governments will make it easy for the UK to set up any way decent trade deals?

Honestly?

Now we have Brexited - WE are in the BIG chair, and the EU is in the LITTLE chair, and they will jump through OUR hoops to continue trading with us - the deals may be thrashed out behind closed doors, as with so much of the corrupt twots dealings - but they WILL jump through our hoops.

The reasons why I say this are:

The EU’s share of global GDP fell from 30% in 1993 to 24% in 2013 and is STILL plummeting.

The UK has suffered a negative Trade Balance with The EU for decades, and it is increasing - in April of 2016, our trade deficit with the EU was £16 BILLION pounds - FOR THE MONTH.

We BOUGHT £16 BILLION POUNDS OF GOODS MORE FROM THE EU, THAN WE SOLD TO THEM - IN ONE MONTH.

With an ever increasingly plummeting share of Global GDP the crumbing EU is DESPERATE for trade, so the very notion that they will 'put barriers' in our way and deprive themselves of £20 BILLION POUNDS per month trade surplus is banal.

And for those who have been seduced by the propaganda and lies that the UK was economically stronger in the EU, bear in mind that we have been in the EU for over 40 years, then read this tiny snippet from Ed Conway, Economics Editor of Sky News:

"The worst goods trade deficit in more than three centuries"

"Last year Britain recorded its biggest deficit in goods trade since records began.*

Those records technically go all the way back to 1697, though getting hold of the data is rather tricky. The ONS only has numbers going back to 1998, on a comparable basis, while HM Revenue & Customs supposedly has the 300-year series of data, but, when I spoke to them earlier today, weren’t exactly sure where one can lay one’s hands on it."

THE WORST TRADE FIGURES FOR 300 YEARS! And note the difficulty in actually obtaining information from HMRC.

So much for any argument that we are 'economically better off in', and for any belief that the crumbling corrupt EU will salve their wounded pride by making it more difficult to trade with us - as I have said on here for a year - WE DO NOT NEED THE EU, THEY NEED US.

As you will witness.

[DemolitionRed]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659802/Tory-Brexiteer-Dan-Hannan-insists-quitting-EU-does-NOT-mean-dramatic-cuts-number-immigrants-coming-Britain.html

Aw...

If it had made a difference I wouldn't of voted out. I've said all along that it wouldn't change a thing re- immigration.

[smudgie]

"As of 10.00am on Friday 24th June 2016, the UK has voted for Brexit. This will not affect the ability of UK residents to play EuroMillions; visit the EuroMillions Brexit page for more information.

Regardless of whether the UK remains in the EU or not, players will still be able to buy EuroMillions tickets, just like Great Britain will still enter EuroVision each year and European football competitions will stay the same. However, the economy is likely to be affected and shifting exchange rates will be analysed closely, and this could have a direct effect on the value of EuroMillions prizes won in the UK."

https://www.euro-millions.com/news/how-would-eu-exit-impact-on-euromillions-in-the-uk

Thanks Tom, we can still dream the dream:cheer2:

[user104658]

Now we have Brexited - WE are in the BIG chair, ad the EU is in the LITTLE chair and they will jump through OUR hoops to continue trading with us - the deals may be thrashed out behind closed doors, as with so much of the corrupt twots dealings - but they WILL jump through our hoops.

The reasons why I say this are:

The EU’s share of global GDP fell from 30% in 1993 to 24% in 2013 and is STILL plummeting.

The UK has suffered a negative Trade Balance with The EU for decades, and it is increasing - in April of 2016, our trade deficit with the EU was £16 BILLION pounds - FOR THE MONTH.

We BOUGHT £16 BILLION POUNDS OF GOODS MORE FROM THE EU, THAN WE SOLD TO THEM.

With an ever increasingly plummeting share of Global GDP the crumbing EU is DESPERATE for trade, so the very notion that they will 'put barriers' in our way and deprive themselves of £20 BILLION POUNDS per month trade surplus is banal.

And for those who have been seduced by the propaganda and lies that the UK was economically stronger in the EU, bear in mind that we have been in the EU for over 40 years, then read this tiny snippet from Ed Conway, Economics Editor of Sky News:

"The worst goods trade deficit in more than three centuries"

"Last year Britain recorded its biggest deficit in goods trade since records began.*

Those records technically go all the way back to 1697, though getting hold of the data is rather tricky. The ONS only has numbers going back to 1998, on a comparable basis, while HM Revenue & Customs supposedly has the 300-year series of data, but, when I spoke to them earlier today, weren’t exactly sure where one can lay one’s hands on it."

THE WORST TRADE FIGURES FOR 300 YEARS! And note the difficulty in actually obtaining information from HMRC.

So much for any argument that we are 'economically better off in', and for any belief that the crumbling corrupt EU will salve their wounded pride by making it more difficult to trade with us - as I have said on here for a year - WE DO NOT NEED THE EU, THEY NEEDD US.

As you will witness.

As I pointed out in an earlier discussion, Kirk... we have **** all to sell. That is why we have a trade deficit that continues to rocket. We don't produce. We consume.

[joeysteele]

If EU members make it easy for the UK to set up beneficial trade agreements, if they allow the UK to prosper, they will be demonstrating that the UK's exit was a good idea and that may well trigger exits across the board and the complete dismantlement of the EU.

With that in mind;

Do you honestly believe that the bigger pro-EU governments will make it easy for the UK to set up any way decent trade deals?

Honestly?

No I expect they won't make it easy at all.

I still say we will have to accept the free movement of EU citizens and I believe whoever does the negotiations will in the end accept that.

If the UK citizens demand goods from European Countries, then we will still have to import them, no matter the costs of doing so,and the EU knows that.

I say you are right.

[kirklancaster]

No I expect they won't make it easy at all.

I still say we will have to accept the free movement of EU citizens and I believe whoever does the negotiations will in the end accept that.

If the UK citizens demand goods from European Countries, then we will still have to import them, no matter the costs of doing so,and the EU knows that.

I say you are right.

Well there's a surprise Joey - ignore FACTS and agree with opinion.

[kirklancaster]

As I pointed out in an earlier discussion, Kirk... we have **** all to sell. That is why we have a trade deficit that continues to rocket. We don't produce. We consume.

That is pure baloney. Just not true, but I have no time at present to answer fully, so I will do so later.

[user104658]

That is pure baloney. Just not true, but I have no time at present to answer fully, so I will do so later.
I anxiously await more patriotism-fuelled delusions of grandeur, Kirk.

"WE are in the BIG chair" about sums it up. You have left reason behind in your excitement.

[Liberty4eva]

I just had a random thought. The voting results remind me of a poem. Those who are (very) well read in history will know the historical meaning of it.

If buttercups buzz'd after the bee,
If boats were on land, churches on sea,
If ponies rode men and if grass ate the cows,
And cats should be chased into holes by the mouse,
If the mamas sold their babies
To the gypsies for half a crown;
If summer were spring and the other way round,
Then all the world would be upside down.

[Liberty4eva]

Somebody said this at work yesterday, so what are we now we are no longer in Europe? :umm2: Honestly I give up at times

Technically you haven't been in Europe since the oceans rose thousands of years ago. :hee:

[Liberty4eva]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659802/Tory-Brexiteer-Dan-Hannan-insists-quitting-EU-does-NOT-mean-dramatic-cuts-number-immigrants-coming-Britain.html

Aw...

Why is it so surprising that not everyone on the Brexit side agrees on how many immigrants should come in? I think the goal the Brexiters were trying to accomplish was to give Britain ultimate control over their own affairs. Once Britain has control, all bets are off.

[Liberty4eva]

I anxiously await more patriotism-fuelled delusions of grandeur, Kirk.

"WE are in the BIG chair" about sums it up. You have left reason behind in your excitement.

Toy Soldier, everything is gonna be okay. Be okay. Be okay. Everything is gonna be okay. :hee:

[Liberty4eva]

The whole EU referendum debate reminds me so much of the debate Americans had in 1776 over whether they were going to be an independent country or not. This cartoon episode gives you the gist of what people were saying back then. And if you squint your eyes Thomas Paine looks a lot like Nigel Farage. :laugh:

awlBeITstkE

[Ammi]

..it's funny that in a country and a world that says people should be accountable for their words..that the lies that have been told by politicians through this campaign will have no accountability...

[Ammi]

..anyways my thoughts are that the vote has been cast as it were and being disappointed isn't going to change anything...what's equally or more worrying for me is how much this has shown a country divided..we can't do anything about the decision but that divide is in our control to change...and there is no alternative but to support the Brexit vote..there is no point in sitting back and watching and saying...haha, we told you it would fail because in doing so, we're contributing to that fail also and on day 3 or whatever it is, that fail should not even be an option to be considered...it's all about making it work now and hoping that it's possible... and there is no point in saying haha, we won because a country divided has no winners, not one single one...

[arista]

"shown a country divided"


Its Not That Bad
Older Folks Voted OUT


Younger Feckers
Voted In
and Stayed in Bed more

[Ammi]

"shown a country divided"


Its Not That Bad
Older Folks Voted OUT


Younger Feckers
Voted In
and Stayed in Bed more

..if the voting showed a Brexit 'win' then it also showed a country divided, Arista...you can't have one without the other I'm afraid...and the 'younger Feckers' quite possibly didn't vote because they were let down in their guidance to vote (by all parties..)....