Racism on the rise in the UK following EU Referendum

[Scarlett.]

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Communities are “divided and bruised” after Britain’s vote to leave the European Union and racism is on the rise, a senior Labour lawmaker warned.

Schoolchildren were racially abused in a west London district this week and many in her constituency feel “vulnerable” after the Brexit referendum, Seema Malhotra, one of the main opposition party’s team of Treasury spokespeople said at an event in the capital on Saturday.

“Someone shouted: ‘Why are there only 10 white faces in this class? Why aren’t we educating the English?’” she said, citing a letter from a teacher in her electoral district about an incident on Wednesday. “Another went close up to the children and said: ‘You lot are taking all our jobs. You’re the problem. You’re taking our jobs, you’re taking our land.”’

Malhotra represents the district of Feltham and Heston in the London borough of Hounslow, which voted by 51.1% to remain in the EU. She said the teacher hadn’t heard a comment like it “in three years.” Children age six were “crying and saying they would have to leave this country,” she said.

Vote Leave, the official group that backed Brexit, explicitly targeted concerns over immigration in the referendum campaign that saw Britain vote to quit the 28-nation bloc. Boris Johnson, their leading spokesman and the favorite to succeed David Cameron as prime minister, began backing away from that message the morning after the vote.

“I was personally devastated by the result on Thursday night,” Malhotra said. “The message of community cohesion that we send at this time is absolutely vital.”


Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-25/racism-on-rise-in-u-k-after-brexit-campaign-labour-warns)

[Kizzy]

And nobody was surprised, we officially are 'little britain' now.

[jennyjuniper]

This feeling that other nationalities are taking over our classrooms/jobs/country has been on the simmer for quite a few years now. Sooner or later it had to come to the boil and probably for the first time in a long while, because their vote actually acheived what they wanted, some people are voicing their opinions.

[Kizzy]

This feeling that other nationalities are taking over our classrooms/jobs/country has been on the simmer for quite a few years now. Sooner or later it had to come to the boil and probably for the first time in a long while, because their vote actually acheived what they wanted, some people are voicing their opinions.

And how will this change?... as stated almost immediately immigration will carry on so what was the point if that's all anyone was bothered about?

[armand.kay]

A shock to the system.

[Ammi]

..sadly, racism always had to there in the first place..it couldn't 'rise' from nothing..it could only become more vocal...

[Cherie]

I think some people almost feel they have carte blanche now to voice it, scary times

[jaxie]

There is racism all over the world and sadly there have always been bigots who are ignorant and vocal about it. However that has nothing to do with the EU referendum, and while it wasn't my main personal motivation to vote leave, it is not wrong to be concerned about a lack of control over your own borders. This is something that most countries throughout the world have. This is not racist.

[Cherie]

There is racism all over the world and sadly there have always been bigots who are ignorant and vocal about it. However that has nothing to do with the EU referendum, and while it wasn't my main personal motivation to vote leave, it is not wrong to be concerned about a lack of control over your own borders. This is something that most countries throughout the world have. This is not racist.

Jaxie just a quick question how will you feel if we remain in the single market and the associated continued free movement continues?

[Livia]

If people had been allowed to voice their concerns about immigration before, without everyone to the left of centre accusing them of racism and xenophobia, maybe the picture would have been different. The danger with ignoring people's concerns is that those concerns grow into problems.

And really, I'm tired of the suggestion that we are a ridiculously racist country when we are not. I hope this is a lesson learned. You have to listen to people because if you keep them down by calling them names, it just blows the situation out of all proportion.

[arista]

And nobody was surprised, we officially are 'little britain' now.


Its a Blip

[arista]

..sadly, racism always had to there in the first place..it couldn't 'rise' from nothing..it could only become more vocal...


You Are Most Wise Ammi

[bots]

I heard an interesting aside yesterday. There is an historic geographical reason why we have an issue with immigration. We are an island! We have never in our history had people able to freely cross our borders. Mainland europe, being land connected, have always had people crossing their borders, so they just don't see anything wrong with it, because its always been that way. Its a fundamental difference borne from geographical history.

[kirklancaster]

I heard an interesting aside yesterday. There is an historic geographical reason why we have an issue with immigration. We are an island! We have never in our history had people abe to freely cross our borders. Mainland europe, being land connected, have always had people crossing their borders, so they just don't see anything wrong with it, because its always been that way. Its a fundamental difference born from geographical history.

Interesting point to ponder there BOTS.

[Cherie]

The British had no problem crossing others borders themselves though :hee:

[kirklancaster]

If people had been allowed to voice their concerns about immigration before, without everyone to the left of centre accusing them of racism and xenophobia, maybe the picture would have been different. The danger with ignoring people's concerns is that those concerns grow into problems.

And really, I'm tired of the suggestion that we are a ridiculously racist country when we are not. I hope this is a lesson learned. You have to listen to people because if you keep them down by calling them names, it just blows the situation out of all proportion.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:Well said Livia.

[Northern Monkey]

There are racist incidents reported every week and always have been and always will be.I think this article is quite misleading trying to blame it on the fact that we've left the EU.If you read it they've just found one racist incident and conflated it with the referendum to make a story.There always has been racism and always will be in every country.Hell i've faced it from gangs of asians and blacks on multiple occasions in the past.

[Livia]

The British had no problem crossing others borders themselves though :hee:

Helpful.

We crossed lots of borders generations ago... and we're still being battered with that tired old stick.

[Cherie]

Helpful.

We crossed lots of borders generations ago... and we're still being battered with that tired old stick.

Oh lighten up Livia

[user104658]

Helpful.

We crossed lots of borders generations ago... and we're still being battered with that tired old stick.
Thank goodness our actions didn't have any knock-on effect throughout global history :worry: that would have been rly rly bad.

[Livia]

Thank goodness our actions didn't have any knock-on effect throughout global history :worry: that would have been rly rly bad.

Some of those knock-on effects have been positive. And we weren't the only country to colonise, although we are, I think, the only one still beating itself up for it. And to drag this back on topic - because colonialism was never part of this conversation till Cherie dropped it in - I would wager that the vast majority of people whose areas, whose culture has suffer most from immigration made not a penny piece from colonialism.

You know the Normans virtually wiped out Anglo-Saxon culture, right? They just stormed in here and took everything. Maybe we could have someone pop on to a French forum and remind them of that.

[user104658]

There are racist incidents reported every week and always have been and always will be.I think this article is quite misleading trying to blame it on the fact that we've left the EU.If you read it they've just found one racist incident and conflated it with the referendum to make a story.There always has been racism and always will be in every country.Hell i've faced it from gangs of asians and blacks on multiple occasions in the past.
Oh come on, this is a huge leap. It's just coincidence? The amount of casual racism I've heard since Friday is staggering, from people I'd never have expected it from. I've had a previously perfectly nice old gentleman start ranting about a black customer that it's because of "these Islam extremists" that Brexit is a good thing, we can "get rid of all that lot" finally. The other customer is a Christian from Africa... And genuinely one of our most laid back and friendly customers.

Just coincidence, I think not. The attitudes are clearly not new, they've been festering away in these people's grubby little heads all along, they just now feel like they have permission to pour their filth all over the streets.

As always though I'm quite happy with that. Makes it easier to know how to react to people when they're openly being scum rather than hiding it away.

[Livia]

Oh lighten up Livia


You want light, try chat and games.

[Cherie]

You want light, try chat and games.

Oh come on just admit you take tongue in cheek from some members in SD more than others :laugh:

[Headie]

I don't think it's "on the rise", it's always been there - but now people feel they have more of a right to air their racist views.

I doubt the fact that we've voted out the EU would make anyone suddenly become a racist - you've either always have been one and just not voiced it until now, or you aren't one. Sadly most racist groups like Britain First etc were on the leave side, so leave winning will just give them more of a platform to incite their hatred.

[user104658]

Oh come on just admit you take tongue in cheek from some members in SD more than others [emoji23]
That's not their tongues...

:omgno: :hee:

[user104658]

You want light, try chat and games.
How dare you.

[Northern Monkey]

Oh come on, this is a huge leap. It's just coincidence? The amount of casual racism I've heard since Friday is staggering, from people I'd never have expected it from. I've had a previously perfectly nice old gentleman start ranting about a black customer that it's because of "these Islam extremists" that Brexit is a good thing, we can "get rid of all that lot" finally. The other customer is a Christian from Africa... And genuinely one of our most laid back and friendly customers.

Just coincidence, I think not. The attitudes are clearly not new, they've been festering away in these people's grubby little heads all along, they just now feel like they have permission to pour their filth all over the streets.

As always though I'm quite happy with that. Makes it easier to know how to react to people when they're openly being scum rather than hiding it away.
As you say though.Brexit did'nt make these people racist.They almost certainly already were and would have been without Brexit.I don't think the referendum made people racist so finding a racist incident and titling it 'Racism on the rise in UK following EU referendum' is blatent propaganda to get people to read.Normal tolerant people aren't turning racist because we had a referendum.These people already existed long before.

[user104658]

As you say though.Brexit did'nt make these people racist.They almost certainly already were and would have been without Brexit.I don't think the referendum made people racist so finding a racist incident and titling it 'Racism on the rise in UK following EU referendum' is blatent propaganda to get people to read.Normal tolerant people aren't turning racist because we had a referendum.These people already existed long before.
Open free-range racism on the rise should be just as concerning, though. It starts with people feeling bolstered in saying whatever they want, leads to further dehumanisation, and that inevitably leads to violence. It's a very slippery slope and tbh "Brexit" supporters should be as keen as everyone else (if not moreso) to stamp it out quickly... It's a strong indicator to the world that the Brexit result is borne of xenophobia and isolationism and for a country that is soon going to be scrabbling for "new trade deals", that dent in international perception is a major problem.

[ThriceShy]

Looks like the worm has turned.

[user104658]

Looks like the worm has turned.
What worm? Robbie the Racism worm? Are you suggesting that this is a good thing?

[smudgie]

Perhaps it is not so much on the rise but about to come out into the open more.
Racists have very small minds so I can see how they think a vote for Brexit makes it ok to air their true feelings....it needs to be stamped out, harshly.:fist:

[thesheriff443]

Oh come on just admit you take tongue in cheek from some members in SD more than others :laugh:

You mean tongue in arse cheek:laugh:

[thesheriff443]

We are all racist to a point no matter how much you say you are not.

[ThriceShy]

What race are polish people? I saw there was an incident yesterday when someone put up signs telling polish people to go home. Is that racist?

[Northern Monkey]

Open free-range racism on the rise should be just as concerning, though. It starts with people feeling bolstered in saying whatever they want, leads to further dehumanisation, and that inevitably leads to violence. It's a very slippery slope and tbh "Brexit" supporters should be as keen as everyone else (if not moreso) to stamp it out quickly... It's a strong indicator to the world that the Brexit result is borne of xenophobia and isolationism and for a country that is soon going to be scrabbling for "new trade deals", that dent in international perception is a major problem.Brexit supporters in the main probably are just as keen to stamp it out.There are racist people who will obviously jump on the referendum to vent their views but that does'nt represent all or even most of the leave side.
I don't think the Brexit result is 'borne of xenophobia and isolationism'.There will obviously be elements who voted for it for those reasons but those elements are a minority.
Having the ability to decide who you want to enter your borders is not xenophobic and nobody is saying we will be isolated(well apart from remain scaremongerers of course).
I also don't think that believing that a country's infrastructure can only take so much and there has to be an upper limit somewhere is xenophobic.No government has been able to build enough housing and just piling in more and more people only takes that situation further out of reach.Mass uncontrollable immigration just adds unnecessary pressure and is not the answer.That is not xenophobic rhetoric it's just the truth.Brexit makes controlling the numbers more possible than it was.Atleast now there is'nt a whole continent with free reign to come in with us having no say of who or how many.

[thesheriff443]

Racism is all around us, there are people that will see the eu vote as a green light to get mouthy about race but if you look at the bigger picture nothing will really change.

[ThriceShy]

We are all racist to a point no matter how much you say you are not.

The crucial distinction to make is between hating another race and not wanting them to take over your country.

The irony is that a lot of the people who come here actually hate us.

I also notice that a lot of these "anti-racists" say that they hate living in a racist britain and want to move to canada or australia. Why is it that they never want to move to pakistan?:shrug:

Did you see the "anti-fascists" protesting yesterday. They were protesting about a fair and open democratic referendum. The very definition of fascism.

I take no notice tbh.

[joeysteele]

Perhaps it is not so much on the rise but about to come out into the open more.
Racists have very small minds so I can see how they think a vote for Brexit makes it ok to air their true feelings....it needs to be stamped out, harshly.:fist:

This for me.

I don't think, and hope not, that the vast majority of the UK is racist,however there are elements that and events such as this EU referendum, that have helped bring more unacceptable terminology to the front.
Some have gone along with it unfortunately.

[ThriceShy]

None of this is new. The majority of people in this country have always had these views. It just seems that the little student snowflakes, who are protected by their little liberal echo chambers in universities, have never been exposed to it before.

I told you that a majority of people feel this way and you didn't listen. This is a democracy and the majority win.

Tough titties.

[user104658]

Brexit supporters in the main probably are just as keen to stamp it out.There are racist people who will obviously jump on the referendum to vent their views but that does'nt represent all or even most of the leave side.
I don't think the Brexit result is 'borne of xenophobia and isolationism'.There will obviously be elements who voted for it for those reasons but those elements are a minority.
Having the ability to decide who you want to enter your borders is not xenophobic and nobody is saying we will be isolated(well apart from remain scaremongerers of course).
I also don't think that believing that a country's infrastructure can only take so much and there has to be an upper limit somewhere is xenophobic.No government has been able to build enough housing and just piling in more and more people only takes that situation further out of reach.Mass uncontrollable immigration just adds unnecessary pressure and is not the answer.That is not xenophobic rhetoric it's just the truth.Brexit makes controlling the numbers more possible than it was.Atleast now there is'nt a whole continent with free reign to come in with us having no say of who or how many.
It's doesn't matter if it truly *is* xenophobic or isolationist, though, if that perception starts to creep out internationally, the truth is irrelevant. These people, though a minority, are shouting the loudest and that will be a major issue... Its all about appearances.

[DemolitionRed]

What worm? Robbie the Racism worm? Are you suggesting that this is a good thing?

I’m a brexiteer and I certainly don’t think it’s a good thing. The ignorance I’ve heard coming out of some people’s mouths has disappointed me but not surprised me because we have had years of right wing propaganda trying to educate the uneducated. We have been played by the trash tabloids and channel 4 into believing immigrants are the cause of our crumbling Britain. We’ve watched the blue collar pretentious middle class turn against the working class and the working class turn against the destitute and whilst we were all fighting with one another, the Tories were doing their dirty business unhindered.

Of course false promises were made to get people to vote Brexit. I knew they were lies, I voiced my opinion about those lies even though I wanted out of the EU. There are some brexiteers on here who are going to be woefully disappointed because even if they are still clinging on to false hopes now, they will eventually discover they were duped.

This is why we can’t support pathetic creatures like BoJo or Kipper; two men who allowed, even encouraged a believe in a white alternative Britain. Shame on them for supporting this freedom of speech which has created untold grief to the hard working immigrants of this country.

I believe Britain will be better for leaving the EU but I can comfort myself in the FACT that immigration will still be a core benefit to our economy.

[Northern Monkey]

I’m a brexiteer and I certainly don’t think it’s a good thing. The ignorance I’ve heard coming out of some people’s mouths has disappointed me but not surprised me because we have had years of right wing propaganda trying to educate the uneducated. We have been played by the trash tabloids and channel 4 into believing immigrants are the cause of our crumbling Britain. We’ve watched the blue collar pretentious middle class turn against the working class and the working class turn against the destitute and whilst we were all fighting with one another, the Tories were doing their dirty business unhindered.

Of course false promises were made to get people to vote Brexit. I knew they were lies, I voiced my opinion about those lies even though I wanted out of the EU. There are some brexiteers on here who are going to be woefully disappointed because even if they are still clinging on to false hopes now, they will eventually discover they were duped.

This is why we can’t support pathetic creatures like BoJo or Kipper; two men who allowed, even encouraged a believe in a white alternative Britain. Shame on them for supporting this freedom of speech which has created untold grief to the hard working immigrants of this country.

I believe Britain will be better for leaving the EU but I can comfort myself in the FACT that immigration will still be a core benefit to our economy.Bojo yes is a clown.Don't forget though that without Farage you wouldn't have been able to vote Brexit.I admire his persona and what he managed to do against all odds.However for me it is now time to move on from UKIP.They served their purpose.I agree that immigration is a benefit but it needs to be controlled and planned for rather than being left unchecked.

[DemolitionRed]

The crucial distinction to make is between hating another race and not wanting them to take over your country.

But they are not taking over the country. That's just a false belief system.

The irony is that a lot of the people who come here actually hate us.


That’s what people like you want to believe. I live in one of the most multi cultural boroughs of London. I have friends and work colleagues from all over the globe but I have never been shown a cold shoulder because I’m British.


I also notice that a lot of these "anti-racists" say that they hate living in a racist britain and want to move to canada or australia. Why is it that they never want to move to pakistan?:shrug:


Australia is one of the most racist countries in the world! I think most people are aware of that.


Did you see the "anti-fascists" protesting yesterday. They were protesting about a fair and open democratic referendum. The very definition of fascism.

I take no notice tbh.

It would be very undemocratic to have another referendum.

[user104658]

Bojo yes is a clown.Don't forget though that without Farage you wouldn't have been able to vote Brexit.I admire his persona and what he managed to do against all odds.However for me it is now time to move on from UKIP.They served their purpose.I agree that immigration is a benefit but it needs to be controlled and planned for rather than being left unchecked.
I fear you're going to be one of those disappointed Monkey; the big Brexit faces have ALREADY admitted that immigration numbers "probably won't" decrease. At all.

[Northern Monkey]

I fear you're going to be one of those disappointed Monkey; the big Brexit faces have ALREADY admitted that immigration numbers "probably won't" decrease. At all.

'Probably won't' is a better alternative to 'never can be though' and atleast we can now hold our government accountable for immigration rather than an organisation run by people we never elected or asked for and have no influence at all over.
PS i'm not one of those people who voted Brexit solely on immigration.

[ThriceShy]

But they are not taking over the country. That's just a false belief system.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/muslim-vigilantes-jailed-sharia-law-attacks-london

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-170373/School-bans-pig-books-avoid-offending-Muslims.html




That’s what people like you want to believe. I live in one of the most multi cultural boroughs of London. I have friends and work colleagues from all over the globe but I have never been shown a cold shoulder because I’m British.

Have you had muslims trying to force sharia law on you, like these guys?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/muslim-vigilantes-jailed-sharia-law-attacks-london

Australia is one of the most racist countries in the world! I think most people are aware of that.


No they aren't.


It would be very undemocratic to have another referendum.

I agree.

[microscope]

This was inevitable that this was going to happen once the leave campaigners won. The main gripe about being in Europe is immigration and the fact that we want control of our own borders and to keep as many of them out!

It's just like the rabies disease and bringing animals into the UK without quarantine. Now just imagine if Europe had control and their decision was that we bring millions of animals back without quarantine and we had to do as they say as we have to bow down to them and their decisions, well basically we would have rabid animals running about everywhere.

People feel strongly about immigration so racism and xenophobia is real and present and those who do live here who are not British will have to get ready for a sign like that and a whole lot more.

[Tom4784]

Not surprising, the extreme elements (IE not all of the Brexit voters, so calm your tits) of Brexit feel their actions are vindicated by the results. Racism is going to be a bigger problem going forward because the racists feel enabled by the vote to spout their bull****.

Just another glorious side effect of Leave winning. Has anything good come from voting out yet? Racism's on the rise, all of the campaign promises have been dropped in less then a week and the world hates us. Brilliant job UK, really well done.

[DemolitionRed]

Bojo yes is a clown.Don't forget though that without Farage you wouldn't have been able to vote Brexit.I admire his persona and what he managed to do against all odds.However for me it is now time to move on from UKIP.They served their purpose.I agree that immigration is a benefit but it needs to be controlled and planned for rather than being left unchecked.

Are you talking about EU migration? because entrants needing visas are very heavily scrutinized by our immigration system. A friend of mine has been engaged to an African American for four years and for four years she’s been trying to get him over here without success. He’s been allowed to visit Britain but he’s not allowed to stay for anything other than a short holiday and its the same for her going to the U.S.

[Denver]

I dont see the major problem of voicing your opinion and saying you dont want foreigners in Britian as long as it doesnt become a hate crime.

Im happily admit people need to be deported starting with the large number of criminals who are wasting tax payers money living a better life in our prisons, they should deport all foriegn criminals and hand them life long bans from Britain.

[StephenPullen]

Unfortunately, when you fail to listen to the will of the people, racism and defensiveness will surely rise. The politicians of the UK are the ones to blame for not listening to what the majority of the electorate want - eventually the people are going to take control back and it won't always be politically correct nor what the bleeding heart brigade desire. That's what happens when you take the piss out of ordinary people for far too long. Sad but true.

[Cherie]

You mean tongue in arse cheek:laugh:

Hey Sherriff :love:

[thesheriff443]

Hey Sherriff :love:
Hello, my fellow virgo:cheer2:

[Tom4784]

Unfortunately, when you fail to listen to the will of the people, racism and defensiveness will surely rise. The politicians of the UK are the ones to blame for not listening to what the majority of the electorate want - eventually the people are going to take control back and it won't always be politically correct nor what the bleeding heart brigade desire. That's what happens when you take the piss out of ordinary people for far too long. Sad but true.

Racists are responsible for their own ****ing racism.

[ThriceShy]

Not surprising, the extreme elements (IE not all of the Brexit voters, so calm your tits) of Brexit feel their actions are vindicated by the results. Racism is going to be a bigger problem going forward because the racists feel enabled by the vote to spout their bull****.

Just another glorious side effect of Leave winning. Has anything good come from voting out yet? Racism's on the rise, all of the campaign promises have been dropped in less then a week and the world hates us. Brilliant job UK, really well done.

Outside of london and the media, the country is rejoicing at the leave vote.

[ThriceShy]

Racists are responsible for their own ****ing racism.

Immigrants are responsible for their own actions too.

[Northern Monkey]

Are you talking about EU migration? because entrants needing visas are very heavily scrutinized by our immigration system. A friend of mine has been engaged to an African American for four years and for four years she’s been trying to get him over here without success. He’s been allowed to visit Britain but he’s not allowed to stay for anything other than a short holiday and its the same for her going to the U.S.Well immigration in general needs to be checked and planned for.All immigration could be handled better but it's predominantly EU immigration that's currently letting the side down as it is uncontrollable until we fully get out.

[StephenPullen]

Being against uncontrolled immigration is not racism I'm afraid.

[StephenPullen]

Racists are responsible for their own ****ing racism.

Do you even know what racism is?

[MB.]

We are all racist to a point no matter how much you say you are not.

I'll let you speak for yourself on that one

Being against uncontrolled immigration is not racism I'm afraid.

Telling anyone who isn't white to "go home", however, is

[DemolitionRed]

Being against uncontrolled immigration is not racism I'm afraid.

No of course its not!
There’s a difference between individual bias and structural racism.

[ThriceShy]

I'll let you speak for yourself on that one



Telling anyone who isn't white to "go home", however, is

What about telling polish people to go home?

[Tom4784]

Being against uncontrolled immigration is not racism I'm afraid.

If you look at the incidents listed in the OP and think that's okay then it's fairly obvious that you can't tell the difference between racism and taking a stance against immigration and that says it all really.

[Tom4784]

Do you even know what racism is?

I do but you are apparently confused on the issue.

[StephenPullen]

I'll let you speak for yourself on that one



Telling anyone who isn't white to "go home", however, is

Of course it is - but I thought the EU referendum was about uncontrolled European immigration (something that this country cannot cope with). Having a problem with hundreds of thousands of young, jobless, working class men flooding the country when we already have a high unemployment rate is not racist, it's common sense. Anyone who is not concerned about this is either ignorant or deluded.

Applying the racist card to any discussion about uncontrolled immigration is just a short-hand way of shutting down the argument because people on the 'in' side have no opposing positive points. It was applied to UKIP for many years but the British public saw through the arguments and thus votes to leave the EU.

[Tom4784]

We are all racist to a point no matter how much you say you are not.

Well no, that's the logic of a racist trying to make themselves sound less racist by tarring everyone with the same brush.

[StephenPullen]

I do but you are apparently confused on the issue however.

Well you're just repeating what I said - so you cancelled out your own argument #girlbye.

[DemolitionRed]

What about telling polish people to go home?

Of course that is racist.

I've driven round the Andalusian hills and seen graffiti saying “Brits go home”. That was the Spanish being racist towards the Brits.

[jaxie]

Jaxie just a quick question how will you feel if we remain in the single market and the associated continued free movement continues?

That depends on what the deal on offer is, whether there is a vote on it and how my country votes. From now is the time for negotiation about what happens next and in a democracy we go with the will of the people.

However, I see no point in staying in the single market if we have to pay 7% in fees when we can pay 3% in tarrifs outside it for the same trade. I don't really believe in the free movement of people for two reasons.

The first is that people coming from countries outside Europe to the UK do have a points system, for inside Europe to have no system is frankly unfair and discriminatory. Someone coming from Africa should have the same chance as someone coming from Latvia.

The second is that I believe we should have knowledge about who is coming and going. Someone coming to work is most welcome, someone convicted of a murder in another country should not be, so we do need to know and filter who comes.

[jaxie]

And nobody was surprised, we officially are 'little britain' now.

That is a ridiculous thing to say about yourself but if you want to won the label you go right ahead. Though if you are worried about racism, that is one racist remark Europe often throws at us when we disagree with them.

[ThriceShy]

Of course that is racist.

I've driven round the Andalusian hills and seen graffiti saying “Brits go home”. That was the Spanish being racist towards the Brits.

But the post I was responding too was saying that it is racist to say that to non white people.

What race are poles? If I tell them to go home and I am white, how can that be racism?

[Wizard.]

I do believe the whole "foreigners taking our jobs" is a bunch of BS when I went for a job interview there were some people from other countries and they never got through to the next round and I did...

[Tom4784]

Well you're just repeating what I said - so you cancelled out your own argument #girlbye.

I think the fact that you're defending racism because you can't tell the difference between it and arguing against immigration is all that needs to be said. You also defended racists by blaming politicians because apparently people aren't responsible for their own thoughts and actions.

It's quite suspect really.

[Northern Monkey]

Of course that is racist.

I've driven round the Andalusian hills and seen graffiti saying “Brits go home”. That was the Spanish being racist towards the Brits.

Xenophobic not racist

[jaxie]

The British had no problem crossing others borders themselves though :hee:

No we didn't and we have a lot from the past to be ashamed of. We also have a lot of things to be proud of, one of them I think is that a lot of the countries we have colonised in the past still have excellent relationships with us and hold us in fond regard. To make that transition from former conquest to fond friendship says a lot about us as a people now I hope.

[ThriceShy]

No we didn't and we have a lot from the past to be ashamed of. We also have a lot of things to be proud of, one of them I think is that a lot of the countries we have colonised in the past still have excellent relationships with us and hold us in fond regard. To make that transition from former conquest to fond friendship says a lot about us as a people now I hope.

Funny how all brits should be held responsible for invading countries hundreds of years ago, but when a muslim commits a terrorist attack it is suddenly #NotAllMuslims.

[Cherie]

No we didn't and we have a lot from the past to be ashamed of. We also have a lot of things to be proud of, one of them I think is that a lot of the countries we have colonised in the past still have excellent relationships with us and hold us in fond regard. To make that transition from former conquest to fond friendship says a lot about us as a people now I hope.

It does indeed Jaxie, peace in NI has been wonderful I hope it remains and I can say I was misty eyed when the Queen visited the Republic

[Cherie]

Funny how all brits should be held responsible for invading countries hundreds of years ago, but when a muslim commits a terrorist attack it is suddenly #NotAllMuslims.

OMG did you not see the :hee: smilie..stop trying to make something out of nothing :laugh:

[Ninastar]

If people had been allowed to voice their concerns about immigration before, without everyone to the left of centre accusing them of racism and xenophobia, maybe the picture would have been different. The danger with ignoring people's concerns is that those concerns grow into problems.

And really, I'm tired of the suggestion that we are a ridiculously racist country when we are not. I hope this is a lesson learned. You have to listen to people because if you keep them down by calling them names, it just blows the situation out of all proportion.

I don't think it's "on the rise", it's always been there - but now people feel they have more of a right to air their racist views.

I doubt the fact that we've voted out the EU would make anyone suddenly become a racist - you've either always have been one and just not voiced it until now, or you aren't one. Sadly most racist groups like Britain First etc were on the leave side, so leave winning will just give them more of a platform to incite their hatred.

I agree with both of these posts.

On the whole I think we are a incredibly open minded country and the idiots who are xenophobic/racist etc etc and in the minority. And no, I don't think that everyone who voted leave is Xenophobic, so don't try and tell me that the majority are actually in fact xenophobic.

You get xenophobic people everywhere. From what I've seen, a lot of places in Europe aren't too keen on us either...

[ThriceShy]

OMG did you not see the :hee: smilie..stop trying to make something out of nothing :laugh:

Don't make points if you don't want somebody to respond to them.

[jaxie]

It does indeed Jaxie, peace in NI has been wonderful I hope it remains and I can say I was misty eyed when the Queen visited the Republic

I was too. I answered the question you asked btw on page 3.

[Cherie]

Don't make points if you don't want somebody to respond to them.

Get you!

[Cherie]

That depends on what the deal on offer is, whether there is a vote on it and how my country votes. From now is the time for negotiation about what happens next and in a democracy we go with the will of the people.

However, I see no point in staying in the single market if we have to pay 7% in fees when we can pay 3% in tarrifs outside it for the same trade. I don't really believe in the free movement of people for two reasons.

The first is that people coming from countries outside Europe to the UK do have a points system, for inside Europe to have no system is frankly unfair and discriminatory. Someone coming from Africa should have the same chance as someone coming from Latvia.

The second is that I believe we should have knowledge about who is coming and going. Someone coming to work is most welcome, someone convicted of a murder in another country should not be, so we do need to know and filter who comes.


Fair points Jaxie, especially about checks as to who is entering

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-25/racism-on-rise-in-u-k-after-brexit-campaign-labour-warns)

So some foreign news agency gets a couple of reports and the headline is racism on the rise]

what a load of fckg bollocks

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

People need to travel around the world a bit first and then judge the uk as racist


jesus wept

[Tom4784]

So some foreign news agency gets a couple of reports and the headline is racism on the rise]

what a load of fckg bollocks

:joker:

Racism is racism, a racist in the UK aren't any less of a racist just because it's worse somewhere else. Bringing other countries into it to make it seem less of a problem here is a foolish move.

A problem is still a problem and the increase in racism is something that must be dealt with.

[ThriceShy]

Racism is racism, a racist in the UK aren't any less of a racist just because it's worse somewhere else. Bringing other countries into it to make it seem less of a problem here is a foolish move.

A problem is still a problem and the increase in racism is something that must be dealt with.


Well then you must deal with it by voting remain. Oh wait...most remainers didn't even bother to vote.

[DemolitionRed]

But the post I was responding too was saying that it is racist to say that to non white people.

What race are poles? If I tell them to go home and I am white, how can that be racism?

Ok then, its discrimination against a slavic ethnic nation. Its still hatred against a type.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well then you must deal with it by voting remain. Oh wait...most remainers didn't even bother to vote.

:joker:

[Kizzy]

But the post I was responding too was saying that it is racist to say that to non white people.

What race are poles? If I tell them to go home and I am white, how can that be racism?

:facepalm:

[Scarlett.]

Open free-range racism on the rise should be just as concerning, though. It starts with people feeling bolstered in saying whatever they want, leads to further dehumanisation, and that inevitably leads to violence. It's a very slippery slope and tbh "Brexit" supporters should be as keen as everyone else (if not moreso) to stamp it out quickly... It's a strong indicator to the world that the Brexit result is borne of xenophobia and isolationism and for a country that is soon going to be scrabbling for "new trade deals", that dent in international perception is a major problem.

Exactly, everyone should be condemning this, racism is deplorable no matter who it is used against.

[Liberty4eva]

The elite who ignored the wishes of their people when they brought in hundreds of thousands of "Syrians" (actually people from different countries) are most to blame for any perceived rise in racism. They and no one else. And actually all of the anger should be directed at the elite instead of the refugees. Europe needs to get them all out of office even if that means replacing them with nationalist parties. Just get rid of them. Get rid of all of them. And do it now because the clock is ticking on whether you can reverse this or at least contain it. And btw, Donald Trump is right when he used the poem "the vicious snake".

yeJ-iv3MOTo

[Tom4784]

The elite who ignored the wishes of their people when they brought in hundreds of thousands of "Syrians" (actually people from different countries) are most to blame for any perceived rise in racism. They and no one else. And actually all of the anger should be directed at the elite instead of the refugees. Europe needs to get them all out of office even if that means replacing them with nationalist parties. Just get rid of them. Get rid of all of them. And do it now because the clock is ticking on whether you can reverse this or at least contain it.

yeJ-iv3MOTo

No, racists are to blame for their own racism. Nobody is telling them to be racist, they're doing that all by themselves. There's plenty of people who were unhappy with how Germany handled the Immigration crisis without being racist.

Completely sick of people trying to explain away and justify racism.

[arista]

..sadly, racism always had to there in the first place..it couldn't 'rise' from nothing..it could only become more vocal...


Please read this Great post by Ammi
Again
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2nd time I have done this

[Liberty4eva]

Completely sick of people trying to explain away and justify racism.

Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?

[Rob!]

Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?

Yes.

[user104658]

Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?
Befuddled that you think this is a tough question :joker:

Ten points to slythetin though, for prompting me to use the word "befuddled" for the first time ever in a real sentence. :hee:

[Liberty4eva]

Yes.

:shocked:

[Tom4784]

Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?

That's not what you said, sweetheart.

You said that the 'elites' are to blame for a rise in racism therefore completely vindicating the actual racists for their actions. Not everyone who wants tighter immigration controls are racist but the ones that screech 'Go back to _____' at strangers in the street are.

Honestly, I'm getting real bored of bigots jumping through hoops to justify their own bigotry and the bigotry of others. You are responsible for your own actions and thoughts, you can't blame that **** on anyone else.

[Vicky.]

Well it seems acceptable to be against 'those immigrants' now doesn't it really...given the huge support for Farage and cos campaign which rested largely on immigration factors.

I am not accusing everyone who voted out of being racist btw, but a LOT of people voted on immigration only. When leave won my facebook feed erupted into a disgusting show of racism...I am about 40 'friends' down tbh as I don't want to see that ****.

[Cherie]

Well it seems acceptable to be against 'those immigrants' now doesn't it really...given the huge support for Farage and cos campaign which rested largely on immigration factors.

I am not accusing everyone who voted out of being racist btw, but a LOT of people voted on immigration only. When leave won my facebook feed erupted into a disgusting show of racism...I am about 40 'friends' down tbh as I don't want to see that ****.

Vicky :worship:

[Tom4784]

Well it seems acceptable to be against 'those immigrants' now doesn't it really...given the huge support for Farage and cos campaign which rested largely on immigration factors.

I am not accusing everyone who voted out of being racist btw, but a LOT of people voted on immigration only. When leave won my facebook feed erupted into a disgusting show of racism...I am about 40 'friends' down tbh as I don't want to see that ****.

Queen.

[Vicky.]

Oh come on, this is a huge leap. It's just coincidence? The amount of casual racism I've heard since Friday is staggering, from people I'd never have expected it from. I've had a previously perfectly nice old gentleman start ranting about a black customer that it's because of "these Islam extremists" that Brexit is a good thing, we can "get rid of all that lot" finally. The other customer is a Christian from Africa... And genuinely one of our most laid back and friendly customers.

Just coincidence, I think not. The attitudes are clearly not new, they've been festering away in these people's grubby little heads all along, they just now feel like they have permission to pour their filth all over the streets.

As always though I'm quite happy with that. Makes it easier to know how to react to people when they're openly being scum rather than hiding it away.
Yes, voicing these kinds of views seems a lot more common over these past couple of days. Its sad really. The views were obviously there to begin with, but now they feel validated in actually sharing them

(Again, I realised my post came across wrong before, immigration being the reason for the out vote isn't necessarily racist. But those saying things like this, are)

[Scarlett.]

Please read this Great post by Ammi
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I agree with Ammi, the racism was always there, its just in these bigots minds, they've seen the leave vote as some sort of vindication of their racism. So they've become more vocal and dangerous.

[Rob!]

Well it seems acceptable to be against 'those immigrants' now doesn't it really...given the huge support for Farage and cos campaign which rested largely on immigration factors.

I am not accusing everyone who voted out of being racist btw, but a LOT of people voted on immigration only. When leave won my facebook feed erupted into a disgusting show of racism...I am about 40 'friends' down tbh as I don't want to see that ****.

Same and the argument I'm currently having on Facebook is going to result in another one.

[Vicky.]

I do believe the whole "foreigners taking our jobs" is a bunch of BS when I went for a job interview there were some people from other countries and they never got through to the next round and I did...

Thing is, half say the 'foreigners are coming here and stealing our jobs'

Other half say 'foreigners are coming here to steal our benefits and they don't want to work'

It simply cannot be both. This kinda shows a lot of peoples prejudice towards immigrants, they literally can't do right for doing wrong. And I know coming across people with views like this is very common. And I think (again) at least 40-50% of the leave vote was because of this too.

[jaxie]

Well it seems acceptable to be against 'those immigrants' now doesn't it really...given the huge support for Farage and cos campaign which rested largely on immigration factors.

I am not accusing everyone who voted out of being racist btw, but a LOT of people voted on immigration only. When leave won my facebook feed erupted into a disgusting show of racism...I am about 40 'friends' down tbh as I don't want to see that ****.

Really? Or are the reports simply the sort of thing that goes on every day from the relatively small number of bigoted pigs who actually live in this country.

[Shaun]

Yeah these sorts of incidents happen every day so are obviously going to be magnified post-Brexit. Just depressing how many people thought voting Leave would mean the arab immigrants would go :laugh: Haven't seen too many examples of EU country migrants being attacked... although my hometown has a strong Polish population and there's a definite sense of "please go home" from some...

[Vicky.]

Really? Or are the reports simply the sort of thing that goes on every day from the relatively small number of bigoted pigs who actually live in this country.

IMO yes, it is because of the vote.

Newcastle apparently had some kind of 'kick em all out' type rally thing today too :suspect:

Racism will be more common now, or seem it. A lot of people are racist deep down but know better than to actually voice this. but now, I can't see those people holding back as sadly they think the out vote means their views are shared by half of the country...which I don't think (and hope isn't) true.

[Vicky.]

Yeah these sorts of incidents happen every day so are obviously going to be magnified post-Brexit. Just depressing how many people thought voting Leave would mean the arab immigrants would go :laugh: Haven't seen too many examples of EU country migrants being attacked... although my hometown has a strong Polish population and there's a definite sense of "please go home" from some...

And the illegals..apparently. Which is a bit daft, as if illegals are caught they are deported anyway (or I think they are...being...illegal?) so this again will make no difference to the amount of those we actually have either.

[jaxie]

IMO yes, it is because of the vote.

Newcastle apparently had some kind of 'kick em all out' type rally thing today too :suspect:

Racism will be more common now, or seem it. A lot of people are racist deep down but know better than to actually voice this. but now, I can't see those people holding back as sadly they think the out vote means their views are shared by half of the country...which I don't think (and hope isn't) true.

Of course those views aren't held by half the country. I very much doubt they are views held by many leaver voters, or remain voters come to that. Though unfortunately leave have all been branded raging racists.

[EspeonBB]

I don't think it's "on the rise", it's always been there - but now people feel they have more of a right to air their racist views.

I doubt the fact that we've voted out the EU would make anyone suddenly become a racist - you've either always have been one and just not voiced it until now, or you aren't one. Sadly most racist groups like Britain First etc were on the leave side, so leave winning will just give them more of a platform to incite their hatred.

I agree with this

Racist scum will never change. Luckily I live in an area where there isn't much racism/xenophobia but I feel for immigrants who do

[user104658]

Of course those views aren't held by half the country. I very much doubt they are views held by many leaver voters, or remain voters come to that. Though unfortunately leave have all been branded raging racists.
That's not really true though, is it, and that sort of hyperbole is hardly helpful.

It's very likely that a significant portion of leave voters were fuelled by casual racism but no one is saying "all" or even "most" or "half". Just a significant portion.

[empire]

For 50 years, the people here where never given any say on how high the immigration numbers would be at, and to mps who want it at high numbers , only threw this problem to areas that people said no, high immigration kills integration, and today in towns, cities, and even on housing estates, no-go-area's are there, its not just here in britain, but in western europe its a big problem, in germany school girls who where attacked by refugees, where told by the police, too not say anything to the media, this is striaght out of the rotherham book, and merkel knew of the dangers, but stuck two fingers at her voters, when thatcher in 79 said that people fear that we are being swamped by people of a different culture or race, what she said was, listen and take note, nigel farage is doing the same thing, in working class area's, because both parties don't care, or listen to the problems that causes a racial divide, the brexit vote had many reasons, but some in the remain camp, want another vote because they think that having no borders, and not being a nation makes everything better,

[bots]

For 50 years, the people here where never given any say on how high the immigration numbers would be at, and to mps who want it at high numbers , only threw this problem to areas that people said no, high immigration kills integration, and today in towns, cities, and even on housing estates, no-go-area's are there, its not just here in britain, but in western europe its a big problem, in germany school girls who where attacked by refugees, where told by the police, too not say anything to the media, this is striaght out of the rotherham book, and merkel knew of the dangers, but stuck two fingers at her voters, when thatcher in 79 said that people fear that we are being swamped by people of a different culture or race, what she said was, listen and take note, nigel farage is doing the same thing, in working class area's, because both parties don't care, or listen to the problems that causes a racial divide, the brexit vote had many reasons, but some in the remain camp, want another vote because they think that having no borders, and not being a nation makes everything better,

but the free movement rules from the EU have only been in effect a relatively short time. For 40 years governments were in charge of immigration levels and people were still moaning about them then

[jaxie]

That's not really true though, is it, and that sort of hyperbole is hardly helpful.

It's very likely that a significant portion of leave voters were fuelled by casual racism but no one is saying "all" or even "most" or "half". Just a significant portion.

You've just insinuated it yourself.

[joeysteele]

Well it seems acceptable to be against 'those immigrants' now doesn't it really...given the huge support for Farage and cos campaign which rested largely on immigration factors.

I am not accusing everyone who voted out of being racist btw, but a LOT of people voted on immigration only. When leave won my facebook feed erupted into a disgusting show of racism...I am about 40 'friends' down tbh as I don't want to see that ****.

Well said Vicky and you are one of many I'd say that found that.

[user104658]

You've just insinuated it yourself.
Stating that a significant proportion, specifically far less than half, have those tendencies - in other words stating definitively that more than half are NOT racist, is insinuating that "all" ARE racist? Logic has failed here.

[Kizzy]

Isn't it crackers these people who insist they are not influenced by the right wing media.....a year or so ago on this very forum it was insisted 'we need Eastern Europeans as they do the jobs people here won't do!' Now it's flipped 180 and suddenly we don't want immigrunts again.

[user104658]

Isn't it crackers these people who insist they are not influenced by the right wing media.....a year or so ago on this very forum it was insisted 'we need Eastern Europeans as they do the jobs people here won't do!' Now it's flipped 180 and suddenly we don't want immigrunts again.
Bennybobs claimants can do those jobs for £2 an hour.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well it seems acceptable to be against 'those immigrants' now doesn't it really...given the huge support for Farage and cos campaign which rested largely on immigration factors.

I am not accusing everyone who voted out of being racist btw, but a LOT of people voted on immigration only. When leave won my facebook feed erupted into a disgusting show of racism...I am about 40 'friends' down tbh as I don't want to see that ****.

Sigh


E V I D E N C E??

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sick and tired of sample size one

Thinking fact

[Cherie]

Sick and tired of sample size one

Thinking fact

I'm sorry you are being equated to a sample :HeHe:

[kirklancaster]

And how will this change?... as stated almost immediately immigration will carry on so what was the point if that's all anyone was bothered about?

If you have ever deeply researched 'Immigration and The UK' or regularly watched programmes on immigration - such as 'Immigration Undercover', 'Illegal Immigrant and Proud', 'The Truth About Immigration' etc, or the excellent 'Border Force UK', you will soon come to realise, that:

a) The British Government does not KNOW how many LEGAL IMMIGRANTS' are in the UK.

b) The British Government does not know how many ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are in the UK

c) The UK Border Agency make very little difference to the numbers of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS entering the UK, and have even less of an impact in ensuring that those they do catch are removed or 'secured', because - under the absurd EU laws - the greater percentage of detected illegal immigrants are simply placed in open accomodation in London (paid for by the UK taxpayer) and simply told 'not to abscond'.

It is NOT the Immigrants to blame - it is the Government and the system.

Out of the EU, we can and will, repeal all the inane EU laws which have rendered it nigh impossible for us to control immigration, and unfettered immigration will be reduced and more thorough policing of our ports and airports will be initiated.

Immigration may have been high on the list of the concerns of a lot of people who voted to 'Leave' the EU, but it is not the ONLY concern, and I do not believe at all, that 'immigration is all anyone was bothered about'.

[Kizzy]

Bennybobs claimants can do those jobs for £2 an hour.

Ah.... that makes sense actually, now they don't need to set up agencies to bring in cheap labour they can introduce mandatory work schemes for claimants and 'apprenticeships' for the yoofs even cheaper.

Why exploit foreigners when we have plenty of people here to exploit? I get it now.

[Vicky.]

Another 2 people on my FB shared this :(

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1175534212478092&set=a.579304615434391.1073741824.100000645744379&type=3&theater

Definitely allowing more racists to come out of the closet. Never saw anything like this in all the years I have been on there, the sheer amount of racism and ignorance is shocking.

[Scarlett.]

This album (https://www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.10101369198638985&type=3&pnref=story) is what made me start this thread.

[Vicky.]

This album (https://www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.10101369198638985&type=3&pnref=story) is what made me start this thread.

Skim read most. Thats ****ing disgusting.

[bots]

well, the laws surrounding racism remain the same. They don't change, so if this brings racists out into the open where it can be dealt with, it can only be good.

I have no doubt that racists attached themselves to the brexit campaign, but one cannot lump everyone who voted out into the same category. So while it may seem like its made things worse, I think its just made it more obvious.

[joeysteele]

I am not on facebook.I hate it, however even my family are appalled at the tone and statements being made after this result.
Makes me near ashamed to be part of the UK.

[Kizzy]

Seen some similar comments on here at times, (just an observation)

[Ammi]

...just reading some of Vicky's Facebook stuff...anyways I don't do Facebook and I don't do social media but I have spoken to a few older people since the vote and yeah they have said some things that have made me cringe in their views but their views don't come from 'hate'...they come from fear and from not being talked through and rationalised in their fears...one of the older people is fairly much someone who doesn't leave the house that much, so her influences are TV/news etc...so for her, what she's seeing is so much negative stuff and ISIS ARE EVERYWHERE..she doesn't have a balance to that and she had felt in her vote that she was voting for the younger people and making their world safer and better, you know...anyways, with mind-sets that are fixed like that and fixed from a generation of their influences from childhood and youth etc...I doubt that there will be any change and yes, racism/prejudice etc but not hateful as such...just ignorance....I do feel though and I know an unpopular opinion...that however wrong these things are, fears should be educated rather than 'shouted RACIST at'...because that will achieve nothing and only add another layer of intolerance on top of intolerance....so will add to what is an issue and a problem and very real...these mindsets will only and can only stop being handed down through generations if we discuss them/educate them and not though accusing them, which is so often and mostly the case...all that will do is make them defensive and hostile....

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

But but but I thought Brexiters weren't racist?:laugh:

"Leave vote it's not about trade and other business it's about immigration simple as that! It's to stop the Muslims..."
http://i.imgur.com/RriDd0U.jpg
Movement is alright just not from brown people :laugh:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Exactly what ISIS want. Soon the Muslim community will feel even more isolated then eventually give in more and more to Isis grooming.

[user104658]

...just reading some of Vicky's Facebook stuff...anyways I don't do Facebook and I don't do social media but I have spoken to a few older people since the vote and yeah they have said some things that have made me cringe in their views but their views don't come from 'hate'...they come from fear and from not being talked through and rationalised in their fears...one of the older people is fairly much someone who doesn't leave the house that much, so her influences are TV/news etc...so for her, what she's seeing is so much negative stuff and ISIS ARE EVERYWHERE..she doesn't have a balance to that and she had felt in her vote that she was voting for the younger people and making their world safer and better, you know...anyways, with mind-sets that are fixed like that and fixed from a generation of their influences from childhood and youth etc...I doubt that there will be any change and yes, racism/prejudice etc but not hateful as such...just ignorance....I do feel though and I know an unpopular opinion...that however wrong these things are, fears should be educated rather than 'shouted RACIST at'...because that will achieve nothing and only add another layer of intolerance on top of intolerance....so will add to what is an issue and a problem and very real...these mindsets will only and can only stop being handed down through generations if we discuss them/educate them and not though accusing them, which is so often and mostly the case...all that will do is make them defensive and hostile....
As always I admire your endless optimism Ammi but... MOST hatred is fuelled by fear and ignorance, from little old Betty to the most hardcore and violent Britain First skinhead. The latter has got himself buffed up into what he sees as a "soldier" to fight back, while Betty hides in her home, but he's no less afraid and that's why he wants to fight.

I guess my point is... Pointing out that Betty's hatred is borne out of fear and ignorance does not stop it from being hatred.

[user104658]

Exactly what ISIS want. Soon the Muslim community will feel even more isolated then eventually give in more and more to Isis grooming.
Agreed. Some people so concerned with keeping people out of the country, that they don't give a second thought to the consequences of rejecting those who are already here.

[Ammi]

As always I admire your endless optimism Ammi but... MOST hatred is fuelled by fear and ignorance, from little old Betty to the most hardcore and violent Britain First skinhead. The latter has got himself buffed up into what he sees as a "soldier" to fight back, while Betty hides in her home, but he's no less afraid and that's why he wants to fight.

I guess my point is... Pointing out that Betty's hatred is borne out of fear and ignorance does not stop it from being hatred.

..it's got nothing to do with optimism at all TS..I see prejudice/racist stuff at work from small children...would you say that was 'hate' also..?...because there is no hate in them at all, it's inherited through environments and influences and shouting it down will achieve absolutely nothing at all..it will only breed defensiveness and on and on and on...nothing will ever change...there is only one 'fight' against ignorance that can ever have any chance of victory whatsoever and that's educating and discussing and understanding that person's fears or prejudices...I'm not optimistic at all, I'm very much a realist....

[Crimson Dynamo]

just been to take the children to school and can report that i did not come across any racism

will update later when I go to the Spar..


LT

[kirklancaster]

...just reading some of Vicky's Facebook stuff...anyways I don't do Facebook and I don't do social media but I have spoken to a few older people since the vote and yeah they have said some things that have made me cringe in their views but their views don't come from 'hate'...they come from fear and from not being talked through and rationalised in their fears...one of the older people is fairly much someone who doesn't leave the house that much, so her influences are TV/news etc...so for her, what she's seeing is so much negative stuff and ISIS ARE EVERYWHERE..she doesn't have a balance to that and she had felt in her vote that she was voting for the younger people and making their world safer and better, you know...anyways, with mind-sets that are fixed like that and fixed from a generation of their influences from childhood and youth etc...I doubt that there will be any change and yes, racism/prejudice etc but not hateful as such...just ignorance....I do feel though and I know an unpopular opinion...that however wrong these things are, fears should be educated rather than 'shouted RACIST at'...because that will achieve nothing and only add another layer of intolerance on top of intolerance....so will add to what is an issue and a problem and very real...these mindsets will only and can only stop being handed down through generations if we discuss them/educate them and not though accusing them, which is so often and mostly the case...all that will do is make them defensive and hostile....

:worship: The intellectual quality of this forum would not only be severely impaired without you Ammi, one truely impartial voice of reason (BOTS being the other) would be gone.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hopefully now that we can finally look forward to a more controlled immigration policy racism will decline.

[joeysteele]

Overheard this in my ASDA supermarket this morning by a group of men too as to this referendum.

They better get moving and make sure they stop 'them' coming into our Country, that's what was voted for.

Whoever 'them' may be is open to anyone's guess,whoever they are, they are likely not seen as people or human beings.

[user104658]

Hopefully now that we can finally look forward to a more controlled immigration policy racism will decline.
:joker: You are aware of the problems Australia has with racism, right?

[Niamh.]

What race are polish people? I saw there was an incident yesterday when someone put up signs telling polish people to go home. Is that racist?

The Polish are great, we have loads over here and from my experience they're really hard working and a nice bunch, they've integrated really well here

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker: You are aware of the problems Australia has with racism, right?

well no as I have never heard of Australia having a particular problem with racism and i do tend to keep up to date with current affairs. I lived on australia and never came across racism?

I am sure there are racists there but its a big place very few people

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Polish are great, we have loads over here and from my experience they're really hard working and a nice bunch, they've integrated really well here

yep, hard working and good people in my experience

[user104658]

well no as I have never heard of Australia having a particular problem with racism and i do tend to keep up to date with current affairs. I lived on australia and never came across racism?

I am sure there are racists there but its a big place very few people
Aus has huge problems with both racism (particularly against black people and people of Aboriginal origin) and homophobia. Improving steadily for decades, but still some major issues.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Aus has huge problems with both racism (particularly against black people and people of Aboriginal origin) and homophobia. Improving steadily for decades, but still some major issues.

Australia is 20 years behind the UK so it not being the same as the UK is no surprise but how do you qualify a huge problems? oz is one of the most sought after countries to emigrate to.


I think if you stopped 100 people in any street in the UK and asked "does Oz have a huge problem with racism?" 100 would say no

just my guess

[Northern Monkey]

The Polish are great, we have loads over here and from my experience they're really hard working and a nice bunch, they've integrated really well here

That's a generalisation which we apparently should'nt make.Some Polish are great and some are definately not.We had some living down our street who were constantly pissed and upsetting the neighbours.Many of them had arguments with them but i don't judge them all on just the ones i know.

[user104658]

Do you know what I've noticed and find really sad? Over the last couple of weeks, and especially since Thursday, there's been a noticeable difference in a lot of my immigrant customers. They're making obvious deliberate efforts to make small talk / chat about sports and events / generally making clear efforts to, for want of a better term, "be liked".

Not that this is a bad thing in itself, of course the outcome of such efforts can only be a good thing. But the REASONS for it - the obvious desperation to be accepted and liked and not glared at or whispered about (and believe me there has been plenty of that) - is very sad.

[kirklancaster]

As always I admire your endless optimism Ammi but... MOST hatred is fuelled by fear and ignorance, from little old Betty to the most hardcore and violent Britain First skinhead. The latter has got himself buffed up into what he sees as a "soldier" to fight back, while Betty hides in her home, but he's no less afraid and that's why he wants to fight.

I guess my point is... Pointing out that Betty's hatred is borne out of fear and ignorance does not stop it from being hatred.

You live in Scotland - in which particular 'bubble' of splendid isolation the Lord only knows - so what qualifies you to denigrate decent English people, old or otherwise, who have genuine grievances about the impairment to the quality of their lives, wrought by unfettered immigration into their communities?

The majority of British people - and that, by their own voilition, includes huge numbers of long domiciled immigrants, coloured or otherwise - who are concerned about uncontrolled runaway immigration, are NOT racist, xenophobic, or ignorant. They are ordinary, decent, people who have genuine concerns borne of actual direct personal experience, of the extremely adverse effects on their traditional way of life.

These 'indigenous' people are not filled with hatred, just concern. They are not against immigrants in reasonable numbers who integrate, just alarmed by huge numbers of immigrants who have not integrated, but formed ghettos; scaled down replications of the native villages, towns, and cities in their own countries - THE countries which they have left to come to Britain.

In addition to the now long established and accepted Asian usurpation of huge parts of the UK, there is now ever increasingly more areas in Great Britain where British people are GENUINELY suffering because their traditional British way of life has been, and increasingly still is being, usurped by the relentless influx of Eastern European immigrants.

Which areas of the UK now does not have its 'Little Polands', 'Little Romanias' etc? - areas where the shops, businesses, houses, and markets are owned, staffed and patronised by immigrants. Areas where English is a foreign language, and British traditions and culture even more foreign.

No one in authority has done anything to allay the concerns of these usurped indegeous citizens, because they are prejudiced against such concerns by their own political persuasions, or are fearful of the P.C. driven backlash, or are rendered impotent by 'EU Legislation'.

So yes, these people are concerned, and feel marginalised, forgotten, contemptuously ignored by the politicians whom they elected to serve them and trusted with their votes.

And YES, the win by the 'Vote Leave' campaign was partly due to the votes of these anxious citizens, because it was 'payback' time - a message to the Government, that if immigrants lives matter, then so should the lives of the downtrodden, suffering people who put this Government in power.

These people are NOT Xenophobic and NOT racist, and neither is their concerns bred of ignorance or irrational fear, but very much borne from the real increasingly adverse experiences of how uncontrolled immigration is decimating the lives of decent, ordinary people.

[arista]

Do you know what I've noticed and find really sad? Over the last couple of weeks, and especially since Thursday, there's been a noticeable difference in a lot of my immigrant customers. They're making obvious deliberate efforts to make small talk / chat about sports and events / generally making clear efforts to, for want of a better term, "be liked".

Not that this is a bad thing in itself, of course the outcome of such efforts can only be a good thing. But the REASONS for it - the obvious desperation to be accepted and liked and not glared at or whispered about (and believe me there has been plenty of that) - is very sad.

TS its only the first week
its a temp blip.


Conservatives
Run The UK


Farage is not part of the Cabinet.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46429000/jpg/_46429295_michael_heseltine3_pa226.jpg
Fecking Get that old Tory of the BBC Breakfast
he is stupid keeps saying they need Farage



FARAGE is UKIP
another Party

[arista]

"You live in Scotland -"


How Nice

[Niamh.]

That's a generalisation which we apparently should'nt make.Some Polish are great and some are definately not.We had some living down our street who were constantly pissed and upsetting the neighbours.Many of them had arguments with them but i don't judge them all on just the ones i know.

This is why i said "in my experience" :hee:

[user104658]

So you open your denial that you / others are xenophobic by directly commenting on my nationality and inferring certain things about what that means.

Slow. Clap

[Tom4784]

I was in town today, a bunch of Takeaways have had their windows smashed and the atmosphere was generally tense as ****.

We employ quite a few polish people at work and I'm worried for them, I hope they haven't been targeted.

[Niamh.]

Ian Paisley Jnr is advising Unionists in Northern Ireland to get a ROI passport :o

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you know what I've noticed and find really sad? Over the last couple of weeks, and especially since Thursday, there's been a noticeable difference in a lot of my immigrant customers. They're making obvious deliberate efforts to make small talk / chat about sports and events / generally making clear efforts to, for want of a better term, "be liked".

Not that this is a bad thing in itself, of course the outcome of such efforts can only be a good thing. But the REASONS for it - the obvious desperation to be accepted and liked and not glared at or whispered about (and believe me there has been plenty of that) - is very sad.

It would be the same for any british people in their country if the roles were reversed I am sure

[arista]

Ian Paisley Jnr is advising Unionists in Northern Ireland to get a ROI passport :o


Yes the Irish Passport Office Needs More Staff
can you spare 46hours a week Fine Lady
to Assist

[Niamh.]

Yes the Irish Passport Office Needs More Staff
can you spare 46hours a week Fine Lady
to Assist

I already have a job I'm afraid Arista

[arista]

I already have a job I'm afraid Arista


OK Fine Lady


Have A Good Week

[Vicky.]

But but but I thought Brexiters weren't racist?:laugh:

"Leave vote it's not about trade and other business it's about immigration simple as that! It's to stop the Muslims..."
http://i.imgur.com/RriDd0U.jpg
Movement is alright just not from brown people :laugh:

Erm..leaving the EU will have no effect on any immigrants from Africa and such anyway? Another who doesn't seem to know what he was voting for...

[Niamh.]

Erm..leaving the EU will have no effect on any immigrants from Africa and such anyway? Another who doesn't seem to know what he was voting for...

"The movement of people from Europe, fair enough" .....isn't that exactly who is going to be affected by it?

[Vicky.]

Do you know what I've noticed and find really sad? Over the last couple of weeks, and especially since Thursday, there's been a noticeable difference in a lot of my immigrant customers. They're making obvious deliberate efforts to make small talk / chat about sports and events / generally making clear efforts to, for want of a better term, "be liked".

Not that this is a bad thing in itself, of course the outcome of such efforts can only be a good thing. But the REASONS for it - the obvious desperation to be accepted and liked and not glared at or whispered about (and believe me there has been plenty of that) - is very sad.

This is not really going to be a popular post, but I king of think they should always have been making some kind of effort to integrate rather than isolating themselves. I feel like some of the...unsavoury..views a lot of British people have come from fear of the unknown. People ignoring you when you walk past them, blanking you if you attempt to talk..etc.

Of course a lot of immigrants do make an effort to 'fit in' but a lot also don't bother, the guys who own the shop up the road from me speak perfect English, but they often talk in their own language when there are English in the shop, which tbh I find quite ignorant :/

[Vicky.]

"The movement of people from Europe, fair enough" .....isn't that exactly who is going to be affected by it?

yup...bright spark that one eh :joker:

[kirklancaster]

So you open your denial that you / others are xenophobic by directly commenting on my nationality and inferring certain things about what that means.

Slow. Clap

:facepalm: I am more than secure in the knowledge that my post was reasoned and reasonable, but I'm afraid your deflectory response is yet further proof that trying to be reasonable and genial with you T.S. just does not work.

The fact that I pointed out that you live in Scotland is neither xenophobic or racist, or any other 'tosh' label which you disingenuously wish to falsely label it with.

I used the fact of your geographical location to underscore my point, that you are just not qualified to KNOW the true circumstances of any people living in any other country of the United Kingdom who may have concerns about unlimited immigration, and because you do not have that intimate personal knowledge of these people's lives, you also cannot have any insight into their reasons for having concerns, therefore to denigrate them as you did is out of order.

To underscore your condemnation of the 'EU Referendum' verdict, there is no one on here more than you, who has pointed out over the past days, that 'Scotland' is a 'separate nation' - now, because I am innocently using the fact that you live in Scotland NOT England, Northern Ireland, or Wales, to underscore what I am saying, you accuse me of being xenophobic or racist.

[user104658]

:shrug: My wife is English, my first daughter was born in England (though she insists she "identifies as American" :joker: ) , and I lived there for just under 4 years, if that helps?

[Kizzy]

If you have ever deeply researched 'Immigration and The UK' or regularly watched programmes on immigration - such as 'Immigration Undercover', 'Illegal Immigrant and Proud', 'The Truth About Immigration' etc, or the excellent 'Border Force UK', you will soon come to realise, that:

a) The British Government does not KNOW how many LEGAL IMMIGRANTS' are in the UK.

b) The British Government does not know how many ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are in the UK

c) The UK Border Agency make very little difference to the numbers of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS entering the UK, and have even less of an impact in ensuring that those they do catch are removed or 'secured', because - under the absurd EU laws - the greater percentage of detected illegal immigrants are simply placed in open accomodation in London (paid for by the UK taxpayer) and simply told 'not to abscond'.

It is NOT the Immigrants to blame - it is the Government and the system.

Out of the EU, we can and will, repeal all the inane EU laws which have rendered it nigh impossible for us to control immigration, and unfettered immigration will be reduced and more thorough policing of our ports and airports will be initiated.

Immigration may have been high on the list of the concerns of a lot of people who voted to 'Leave' the EU, but it is not the ONLY concern, and I do not believe at all, that 'immigration is all anyone was bothered about'.

If you have ever deeply researched 'Immigration and The UK' or regularly watched programmes on immigration - such as 'Immigration Undercover', 'Illegal Immigrant and Proud', 'The Truth About Immigration' etc, or the excellent 'Border Force UK', you will soon come to realise, that:.......this is how the media is utilised to influence the public as a tool of informal control.

[Kizzy]

Ah look at all the lovely malleable ignorant people spouting their sun/mail bigotry, shouting for people to 'go home' into channel 4 news cameras...

murdocks muppets.

[DemolitionRed]

Do you know what I've noticed and find really sad? Over the last couple of weeks, and especially since Thursday, there's been a noticeable difference in a lot of my immigrant customers. They're making obvious deliberate efforts to make small talk / chat about sports and events / generally making clear efforts to, for want of a better term, "be liked".

Not that this is a bad thing in itself, of course the outcome of such efforts can only be a good thing. But the REASONS for it - the obvious desperation to be accepted and liked and not glared at or whispered about (and believe me there has been plenty of that) - is very sad.

I don’t know about you but because racism and bigotry is at the forefront at the moment, I make a special effort with foreign shop assistants to be extra pleasant. Before they were just shop assistants like anyone else but because I’m now aware of how they are possibly feeling, it makes me want interact with them more. I like to think they are being extra nice because they are feeling accepted by all us none bigot/racists and not because they are attempting to be more accepted.

[DemolitionRed]

If you have ever deeply researched 'Immigration and The UK' or regularly watched programmes on immigration - such as 'Immigration Undercover', 'Illegal Immigrant and Proud', 'The Truth About Immigration' etc, or the excellent 'Border Force UK', you will soon come to realise, that:.......this is how the media is utilised to influence the public as a tool of informal control.

Exactly Kizzy and this didn't start within earshot of a referendum, this started with those bastard neoliberals who used immigration and fear of terrorism as a ruse to bring in more snooping laws. Prejudice wasn't born from UKIP, it was just nurtured and watered by them. These Tories planted the seed and sat back and allowed the media to fuel it for all it was worth.

Cameron's little game went woefully wrong and now he has fallen on his own sword.

[Kizzy]

You live in Scotland - in which particular 'bubble' of splendid isolation the Lord only knows - so what qualifies you to denigrate decent English people, old or otherwise, who have genuine grievances about the impairment to the quality of their lives, wrought by unfettered immigration into their communities?

The majority of British people - and that, by their own voilition, includes huge numbers of long domiciled immigrants, coloured or otherwise - who are concerned about uncontrolled runaway immigration, are NOT racist, xenophobic, or ignorant. They are ordinary, decent, people who have genuine concerns borne of actual direct personal experience, of the extremely adverse effects on their traditional way of life.

These 'indigenous' people are not filled with hatred, just concern. They are not against immigrants in reasonable numbers who integrate, just alarmed by huge numbers of immigrants who have not integrated, but formed ghettos; scaled down replications of the native villages, towns, and cities in their own countries - THE countries which they have left to come to Britain.

In addition to the now long established and accepted Asian usurpation of huge parts of the UK, there is now ever increasingly more areas in Great Britain where British people are GENUINELY suffering because their traditional British way of life has been, and increasingly still is being, usurped by the relentless influx of Eastern European immigrants.

Which areas of the UK now does not have its 'Little Polands', 'Little Romanias' etc? - areas where the shops, businesses, houses, and markets are owned, staffed and patronised by immigrants. Areas where English is a foreign language, and British traditions and culture even more foreign.

No one in authority has done anything to allay the concerns of these usurped indegeous citizens, because they are prejudiced against such concerns by their own political persuasions, or are fearful of the P.C. driven backlash, or are rendered impotent by 'EU Legislation'.

So yes, these people are concerned, and feel marginalised, forgotten, contemptuously ignored by the politicians whom they elected to serve them and trusted with their votes.

And YES, the win by the 'Vote Leave' campaign was partly due to the votes of these anxious citizens, because it was 'payback' time - a message to the Government, that if immigrants lives matter, then so should the lives of the downtrodden, suffering people who put this Government in power.

These people are NOT Xenophobic and NOT racist, and neither is their concerns bred of ignorance or irrational fear, but very much borne from the real increasingly adverse experiences of how uncontrolled immigration is decimating the lives of decent, ordinary people.

It was a UK referendum, Scotland is as entitled to their say as England remember?

[joeysteele]

It was a UK referendum, Scotland is as entitled to their say as England remember?

It seems not Kizzy, what some in England appear to want to do is dominate and dictate even more to the likely seen as bothersome and other burden Nations of the UK.

[Kizzy]

It seems not Kizzy, what some in England appear to want to do is dominate and dictate even more to the likely seen as bothersome and other burden Nations of the UK.

Yes it does appear that way to me too, England do not call all the shots in UK affairs.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Another 2 people on my FB shared this :(

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1175534212478092&set=a.579304615434391.1073741824.100000645744379&type=3&theater

Definitely allowing more racists to come out of the closet. Never saw anything like this in all the years I have been on there, the sheer amount of racism and ignorance is shocking.

Aw...

[Niamh.]

Another 2 people on my FB shared this :(

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1175534212478092&set=a.579304615434391.1073741824.100000645744379&type=3&theater

Definitely allowing more racists to come out of the closet. Never saw anything like this in all the years I have been on there, the sheer amount of racism and ignorance is shocking.

:sad:

[the truth]

arrest these racist scum and lock them up, thats what the police are for

[Kizzy]

It's feeling very thatcheresque in England at the mo, minorities are being blamed for governmental errors, the media are ramping up the pressure. people are poor and disenfranchised.

It's touted as an ace time to be British...it doesn't feel ace, it feels sh*t.

[the truth]

:sad:

i feel so bad but that did make me laugh

[kirklancaster]

If you have ever deeply researched 'Immigration and The UK' or regularly watched programmes on immigration - such as 'Immigration Undercover', 'Illegal Immigrant and Proud', 'The Truth About Immigration' etc, or the excellent 'Border Force UK', you will soon come to realise, that:.......this is how the media is utilised to influence the public as a tool of informal control.

:facepalm: Says someone who voted with the Establishment and Cameron and Osborne to Remain.

Do you really BELIEVE that EVERY documentary produced is done deliberately to produce a false picture of immigrants and immigration?

On the subject of 'Immigration', just WHO 'utilises the media to influence the public as a tool of information control?'

It cannot be Cameron and The Establishment because THEY have just sold their souls to try to 'influence the public' into staying in the EU' - including utilising the media' - and only those supporting immigration, openly or covertly, voted to stay in the EU.

Perhaps it was the Labour Party?..... Uh, no, ok then.

The BNP, The EDL, UKIP?... Oh, OK - none of these wield THAT kind of power or have the funds.

Let me think for a moment....... Eureka! I've got it!.... It's all just nonsense emanating from within your own mind - without foundation of course.

Thank you for another meaningless negative response, which does zilch to contribute to any meaningful debate. Bye. :wavey:

[the truth]

the conspiracy bremainers blame everything on the sun newspaper, they are sounding as crazy as david icke talking about lizard people

[Kizzy]

:facepalm: Says someone who voted with the Establishment and Cameron and Osborne to Remain.

Do you really BELIEVE that EVERY documentary produced is done deliberately to produce a false picture of immigrants and immigration?

On the subject of 'Immigration', just WHO 'utilises the media to influence the public as a tool of information control?'

It cannot be Cameron and The Establishment because THEY have just sold their souls to try to 'influence the public' into staying in the EU' - including utilising the media' - and only those supporting immigration, openly or covertly, voted to stay in the EU.

Perhaps it was the Labour Party?..... Uh, no, ok then.

The BNP, The EDL, UKIP?... Oh, OK - none of these wield THAT kind of power or have the funds.

Let me think for a moment....... Eureka! I've got it!.... It's all just nonsense emanating from within your own mind - without foundation of course.

Thank you for another meaningless negative response, which does zilch to contribute to any meaningful debate. Bye. :wavey:

Not every documentary no.

It has been previously admitted that the media and documentary programming has in the past been used as a tool to manipulate the perception of the electorate on certain issues.

Thank you for your denigration of my perception and opinion on this issue, I have come to expect nothing more.

[Cherie]

Ian Paisley Jnr is advising Unionists in Northern Ireland to get a ROI passport :o

I posted this yesterday Ian SR must be turning in his grave :fan:

[Mystic Mock]

Why are British children of colour being targeted for "crimes" that their parents have committed which is live in this country?

Obviously the Media loves blowing things out of proportion and that it's probably not quite as bad as it's being made out to be, but I do think that when you have a Right Wing party running the country it breeds prejudice of all kinds.

It breeds racism, homophobia, and more importantly it breeds snobbery between the Upper Class and the Working Class.

[Niamh.]

I posted this yesterday Ian SR must be turning in his grave :fan:

I'll bet he is :laugh:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

If people had been allowed to voice their concerns about immigration before, without everyone to the left of centre accusing them of racism and xenophobia, maybe the picture would have been different. The danger with ignoring people's concerns is that those concerns grow into problems.

And really, I'm tired of the suggestion that we are a ridiculously racist country when we are not. I hope this is a lesson learned. You have to listen to people because if you keep them down by calling them names, it just blows the situation out of all proportion.

Not being heard doesn't make racism justified. They're not the same. For example the same person that said that he's allowed to have pride like the Welsh and Scots fair enough but then he posted a pic of a golliwog. He didn't have to go there. He's racist.

Anyway I thought you were Jewish? :conf:

[Kizzy]

I'll bet he is :laugh:

As will Benn snr.

[the truth]

new labour are more guilty than anyone for the rise in racism, they banned free speech they abused the privelige of accusing people, they eroded civil liberties and freedom of speech and they systematically accused anyone who questioned their party of racism....now those chickens are coming home to roost. they were a stinking corrupt party who hated their own country and would do anything to seize power.

[Niamh.]

new labour are more guilty than anyone for the rise in racism, they banned free speech they abused the privelige of accusing people, they eroded civil liberties and freedom of speech and they systematically accused anyone who questioned their party of racism....now those chickens are coming home to roost. they were a stinking corrupt party who hated their own country and would do anything to seize power.

No one but the racists are to blame for the rise in racism........imo

[Tom4784]

All this desperate justification and passing of the buck is driving me insane. Why are people so desperate to defend these racists?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes the world is about to end. This should please those on the left who just keep backing the losing horses

:hehe:

[the truth]

No one but the racists are to blame for the rise in racism........imo

yes but labour created the atmosphere and the environment for this frustration and bigotry to grow. not everyone is racist, sometiems theyre desperate or ignorant or ill informed or dirt poor or uneducated or in some cases have dreadful personal experience which has made them fear immigration. maybe relatives killed in wars or hit by terrorists or beaten up or robbed. labour labelled everyone as racists, people felt they werent allowed a voice, labour allowed population to rise 3.7 million in a decade and never mentioned we had open borders yrs before germany. they were a totally dishonest party , rotten to the core. they then started illegal wars for oil and sent our poorest to fight an die without even the propr equipment and without military hospitals to treat our wounded. vile party.

[Vicky.]

Commons now talking about the rise in racism too.

[Kizzy]

I agree, the commons right this moment are discussing the rise in racism, fueled directly by the leave campaign, let's not gloss over this.
Disclaimer: That is not by any means all leave voters are/were or will be racist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Commons now talking about the rise in racism too.

No they 2 leaders mentioned one incident of graffiti in Hammersmith


#stopthepress

[Mystic Mock]

Unfortunately, when you fail to listen to the will of the people, racism and defensiveness will surely rise. The politicians of the UK are the ones to blame for not listening to what the majority of the electorate want - eventually the people are going to take control back and it won't always be politically correct nor what the bleeding heart brigade desire. That's what happens when you take the piss out of ordinary people for far too long. Sad but true.

52% isn't much of a majority though, especially considering 16-17 year olds wasn't allowed to vote either, and a lot of Remain voters thought that we would remain so didn't vote.

If Scotland has to have over 60% to have another Referendum, then shouldn't the Leave campaign have to have over 60% to leave the EU?

48% is a lot of people to piss off, ruin their future careers, their finances, and change how the country is run on them.

Don't forget there is nearly 3 million people so pissed off that they're demanding another Referendum, the majority do not want to leave the EU, it's just that the elderly voted more and scraped a majority which is fair enough, but it's not what people want, and more importantly not what the future generations that are gonna be living in this country for many more years to come want.

[Kizzy]

Yes the world is about to end. This should please those on the left who just keep backing the losing horses

:hehe:

Are you suggesting that only those on the right were voting to leave? and can be said to be the instigators of the rise in racist comments?..... You sound like this is what you are saying :/

[Mystic Mock]

Outside of london and the media, the country is rejoicing at the leave vote.

They're not.

Even in Tamworth it's dividing people and the majority voted to Leave.

[Kizzy]

No they 2 leaders mentioned one incident of graffiti in Hammersmith


#stopthepress

Nope, almost every MP on both sides has mentioned the rise in racist attacks.

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/4166e746-b9af-41b2-8a71-983be4680fb4

have a listen....

[Mystic Mock]

Being against uncontrolled immigration is not racism I'm afraid.

And it's not going to change so why leave the EU?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are you suggesting that only those on the right were voting to leave? and can be said to be the instigators of the rise in racist comments?..... You sound like this is what you are saying :/

NoNo. Or else I would have said that.

[the truth]

labour created all of this

[Vicky.]

No they 2 leaders mentioned one incident of graffiti in Hammersmith


#stopthepress

A fair few MPs have mentioned a noticable rise in racism.

[Kizzy]

NoNo. Or else I would have said that.

Then can you clarify what you meant please?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Iv just been to Tesco in a small Angus town and I can report no racist incidents. I did see several eastern Europeans and I watched them closely.

:suspect:

LT

[Mystic Mock]

Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?

If they've come here illegally then no it's not racist/xenophobic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A fair few MPs have mentioned a noticable rise in racism.

It can only be a rise if it is measured against something. Otherwise it is just a racist incident and we get plenty of these out of 60 odd million people

[Mystic Mock]

Thing is, half say the 'foreigners are coming here and stealing our jobs'

Other half say 'foreigners are coming here to steal our benefits and they don't want to work'

It simply cannot be both. This kinda shows a lot of peoples prejudice towards immigrants, they literally can't do right for doing wrong. And I know coming across people with views like this is very common. And I think (again) at least 40-50% of the leave vote was because of this too.

We are overpopulated which isn't helping any of us get jobs, so the solution is to have tighter immigration yes, but to stop it all together is imo what makes some people come off as racist in the Leave side.

Imo the Tories need to try and make more jobs for people as well by investing in more projects that people can work on.

[Vicky.]

Hate crime up 57% on last month...police figures :(

Edit. online hate crime this is..

[the truth]

ive witnessed nothing yet....i saw one man asking a polish girl out on a date, she was very curvy and pretty eyes...she said she had a boyfriend and he accepted this and the world moved on

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just saw a large combine harvestor

This brexit has caused a rise in farm machinery.


When will the madnes end



The Leave camp better reap what they have sowed

:fist:

[Mystic Mock]

That's not really true though, is it, and that sort of hyperbole is hardly helpful.

It's very likely that a significant portion of leave voters were fuelled by casual racism but no one is saying "all" or even "most" or "half". Just a significant portion.

Say about 3% of the Leave campaigners are racist, that was enough to tip the result, even though 97% had other reasons to vote out.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

ive witnessed nothing yet....i saw one man asking a polish girl out on a date, she was very curvy and pretty eyes...she said she had a boyfriend and he accepted this and the world moved on

Yes but down the road an equally Pretty Polish woman was being sent a go back to your country card through her letter box.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes but down the road an equally Pretty Polish woman was being sent a go back to your country card through her letter box.

Yes and it was posted by an Indian guy at number 45

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Say about 3% of the Leave campaigners are racist, that was enough to tip the result, even though 97% had other reasons to vote out.

A poll was taken with "are you racist" to conclude the 3%?

[Crimson Dynamo]

We assume that racism must be white britishBritish led

In itself a lazy racist thought

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Yes and it was posted by an Indian guy at number 45

It was after continuous abuse from a white man telling him to Speak English and go back to his country on the card which he posted through the letterbox, believing the house belonged to the racist.

[Mystic Mock]

TS its only the first week
its a temp blip.


Conservatives
Run The UK


Farage is not part of the Cabinet.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46429000/jpg/_46429295_michael_heseltine3_pa226.jpg
Fecking Get that old Tory of the BBC Breakfast
he is stupid keeps saying they need Farage



FARAGE is UKIP
another Party

You make it sound like a good thing that the Tories run the UK?

[Cherie]

And it's not going to change so why leave the EU?

A lot of people who voted out didn't know this, neither did the know that most immigrants come from outside the EU...everyone is availing themselves of the facts after the event I've had to listen to it all day at work :idc:

[Mystic Mock]

new labour are more guilty than anyone for the rise in racism, they banned free speech they abused the privelige of accusing people, they eroded civil liberties and freedom of speech and they systematically accused anyone who questioned their party of racism....now those chickens are coming home to roost. they were a stinking corrupt party who hated their own country and would do anything to seize power.

People was allowed free speech, it's just that people was allowed to disagree with a comment that the other person made.

It's people like you that ban free speech as apparently people can say whatever prejudiced stuff that they like, but nobody can say anything about it without "scaremongering" being "uninformed" being a "looney lefty" that's banning free speech.

Imo I like it more when one person says one thing, and the other person is allowed to disagree without the right wing PC going off calling people names because they was challenged about their ignorance towards the bigger world.

[the truth]

People was allowed free speech, it's just that people was allowed to disagree with a comment that the other person made.

It's people like you that ban free speech as apparently people can say whatever prejudiced stuff that they like, but nobody can say anything about it without "scaremongering" being "uninformed" being a "looney lefty" that's banning free speech.

Imo I like it more when one person says one thing, and the other person is allowed to disagree without the right wing PC going off calling people names because they was challenged about their ignorance towards the bigger world.

That is a lie. Ive neever ever said anything racist in my life, take that lie back!!!!!!!!!!! new labour created all the tensions. they falsely accused everyone who even discussed immigration as racists , this stopped any proper discussion and without proper communication and discussion the whole country fell apart

[Mystic Mock]

Are you suggesting that only those on the right were voting to leave? and can be said to be the instigators of the rise in racist comments?..... You sound like this is what you are saying :/

LT's opened up a can of worms here.:hehe:

[Mystic Mock]

yes but labour created the atmosphere and the environment for this frustration and bigotry to grow. not everyone is racist, sometiems theyre desperate or ignorant or ill informed or dirt poor or uneducated or in some cases have dreadful personal experience which has made them fear immigration. maybe relatives killed in wars or hit by terrorists or beaten up or robbed. labour labelled everyone as racists, people felt they werent allowed a voice, labour allowed population to rise 3.7 million in a decade and never mentioned we had open borders yrs before germany. they were a totally dishonest party , rotten to the core. they then started illegal wars for oil and sent our poorest to fight an die without even the propr equipment and without military hospitals to treat our wounded. vile party.

Whilst that's a low point for Labour, it doesn't really have anything to do with what we're discussing as it's not gonna breed racism in this country from white people.

[Kizzy]

LT's opened up a can of worms here.:hehe:

He did, let's see what other leave advocates are saying ( no idea obviously if they are on the left or right) :)

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/06/26/explosion-post-brexit-racism-truly-heartbreaking-tweets/

[Mystic Mock]

Yes but down the road an equally Pretty Polish woman was being sent a go back to your country card through her letter box.

And I'd "comfort" her so I would hopefully get a "reward.":hehe:

Yes I've made this thread a whole lot more creepy.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

A poll was taken with "are you racist" to conclude the 3%?

I was doing a fake estimate.

Sadly it's probably about 10% but I was being generous.

[Mystic Mock]

A lot of people who voted out didn't know this, neither did the know that most immigrants come from outside the EU...everyone is availing themselves of the facts after the event I've had to listen to it all day at work :idc:

But they was warned nearly every day leading up to this?

[Mystic Mock]

That is a lie. Ive neever ever said anything racist in my life, take that lie back!!!!!!!!!!! new labour created all the tensions. they falsely accused everyone who even discussed immigration as racists , this stopped any proper discussion and without proper communication and discussion the whole country fell apart

I never said that you was racist, but you do have that right wing PC attitude of you can say anything that you like but nobody can disagree with you on it and have their own opinion on the subject instead.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The thread title should be changed immediately

There I'd NO EVIDENCE that racism is 'on the rise' due to the result

You may as well attribute it to Natalie's exit on BB

No evidence of a rise

No evidence that random incidents are because of the result


All we have are incidents

And hysterical hyperbole

[Scarlett.]

The thread title should be changed immediately

There I'd NO EVIDENCE that racism is 'on the rise' due to the result

You may as well attribute it to Natalie's exit on BB

No evidence of a rise

No evidence that random incidents are because of the result


All we have are incidents

And hysterical hyperbole

There is evidence of a rise, the House of Commons have discussed it, there's a whole album of screenshots and photos of it. Do on deny there is a rise in racism, we shouldn't just shrug this off, to do so is dangerous. Both the leave and remain side are disgusted by the rise of racial abuse, this isn't the fault of either side, but we must accept its a problem.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There is evidence of a rise, the House of Commons have discussed it, there's a whole album of screenshots and photos of it. Do on deny there is a rise in racism, we shouldn't just shrug this off, to do so is dangerous. Both the leave and remain side are disgusted by the rise of racial abuse, this isn't the fault of either side, but we must accept its a problem.

There is No Evidence of a rise

What parameters are you measuring it agains t precisely?


There have been un connected incidents


Please post evidence of a rise showing a rise against actual data

Please post evidence that incidents are a direct result of the referendum

[Kizzy]

There is No Evidence of a rise

What parameters are you measuring it agains t precisely?


There have been un connected incidents


Please post evidence of a rise showing a rise against actual data

Please post evidence that incidents are a direct result of the referendum

Why are you being so defensive?... :/

[Scarlett.]

There is No Evidence of a rise

What parameters are you measuring it agains t precisely?


There have been un connected incidents


Please post evidence of a rise showing a rise against actual data

Please post evidence that incidents are a direct result of the referendum

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/27/sadiq-khan-muslim-council-britain-warning-of-post-brexit-racism

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/27/europe/racist-attacks-post-brexit/

https://www.rt.com/uk/348524-polish-embassy-racism-brexit/

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d6c3c43e-3c66-11e6-8716-a4a71e8140b0.html#axzz4Cnec7Pa1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/26/a-sharp-spike-in-racist-incidents-reported-after-the-brexit-vote/

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/525693/Polish-racism-f-off-graffiti-London-Eu-Referendum-Brexit-police-crime

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3662114/Reports-attacks-Poles-Muslims-wake-Brexit-vote.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36642047

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/poland-shocked-xenophobic-abuse-poles-uk-160627105512611.html

[Kizzy]

Police said there had been a 57% rise in hate crimes reported to a special website since Britain voted to leave last Friday. The national police chiefs council said at least 85 reports had been received through its online reporting site, and the overall figure may be higher.

There were 85 reports to the site called True Vision between Thursday 23 June and Sunday 26 June, compared with 54 reports in the corresponding four days four weeks ago, police said.

A spokesperson for the national police chiefs council said these figures should not be read as showing a 57% increase in hate crime, but an increase in reporting through one mechanism. Other hate crimes are reported directly to police forces, or to community groups like Tell Mama and Community Security.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/27/brexit-live-george-osborne-economy-corbyn-shadow-cabinet

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why are you being so defensive?... :/

I am not Kizzy I am being accurate

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

And I'd "comfort" her so I would hopefully get a "reward.":hehe:

Yes I've made this thread a whole lot more creepy.:joker:

Funnily enough it's not creepy, white people do get rewards for not being racist like many of their white peers.

[Kizzy]

I am not Kizzy I am being accurate

Ok, well I can't help you I'm afraid.

Kizz out *drops mic*

[bots]

I am not Kizzy I am being accurate

kizzy is always accurate :fist:

[Kizzy]

kizzy is always accurate :fist:

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmjembFeP61ql2jw1o1_500.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

What kind of name is Kizzy anyway, it's not British

If it... Foreign?

:suspect:

[Beso]

we better have another referendum then to get that statistic down.

[Tom4784]

If you find yourself having to constantly explain evidence away and jump through hoops to do so then it's usually a sign that it's not something you should be defending.

[the truth]

this is disgusting lets pray the cops find and arrest every last one of these racist idiots

[Ammi]

..a bit off topic from the referendum but it's funny how the media dance attentively so much Donald Trump, give him platform of attention to the extent they do, give him credence and bask themselves in him...and then show the 'shock' of prejudices that are been felt and displayed....

[user104658]

There is No Evidence of a rise

What parameters are you measuring it agains t precisely?


There have been un connected incidents


Please post evidence of a rise showing a rise against actual data

Please post evidence that incidents are a direct result of the referendum

:joker: is it just another "coincidence" like the drop in the economy? Totally unrelated nothing to do with Brexit :hmph:.

Corellation is perfectly acceptable as evidence, especially when the statement isn't concrete. The thread title doesn't say "Racism on the rise BECAUSE OF referendum", just "following", which leaves people free to draw their own conclusions... whether that be the obvius conclusion that it is related, or the head-in-the-sand fantasy conclusion that it has nothing to do with it and is related to something else like cat pheromones or maybe moon phases.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/27/sadiq-khan-muslim-council-britain-warning-of-post-brexit-racism

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/27/europe/racist-attacks-post-brexit/

https://www.rt.com/uk/348524-polish-embassy-racism-brexit/

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d6c3c43e-3c66-11e6-8716-a4a71e8140b0.html#axzz4Cnec7Pa1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/26/a-sharp-spike-in-racist-incidents-reported-after-the-brexit-vote/

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/525693/Polish-racism-f-off-graffiti-London-Eu-Referendum-Brexit-police-crime

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3662114/Reports-attacks-Poles-Muslims-wake-Brexit-vote.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36642047

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/poland-shocked-xenophobic-abuse-poles-uk-160627105512611.html

that is reports of racist incidents and not evidence of a rise in racism. It is also not evidence that the incidents were because of the referendum.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker: is it just another "coincidence" like the drop in the economy? Totally unrelated nothing to do with Brexit :hmph:.

Corellation is perfectly acceptable as evidence, especially when the statement isn't concrete. The thread title doesn't say "Racism on the rise BECAUSE OF referendum", just "following", which leaves people free to draw their own conclusions... whether that be the obvius conclusion that it is related, or the head-in-the-sand fantasy conclusion that it has nothing to do with it and is related to something else like cat pheromones or maybe moon phases.

It reminds me of of the general "is on the rise" statements by people when really what they mean is that you can now get news media 24 hours, in your pocket, on 5 devises at home etc when 20 years ago you got the news at 6 and 9 on 2 channels

same with "freak weather"

[Crimson Dynamo]

what is on the rise is the number of young people under 30 using social media and desperate for news so they can post it for drama to their pals

:facepalm:

[user104658]

It reminds me of of the general "is on the rise" statements by people when really what they mean is that you can now get news media 24 hours, in your pocket, on 5 devises at home etc when 20 years ago you got the news at 6 and 9 on 2 channels

same with "freak weather"

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/750/685/685750.gif

You're going to hurt yourself LT, pleays shtapp.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have found all the evidence I need now, its the perfect article and who better than the DM to deliver it...


:laugh2:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3663008/Taking-safety-precautions-Brexit-vote-Man-flashes-British-passport-passing-police-report-rise-hate-crimes-EU-referendum.html