View Full Version : UK needs to leave the EU on 1st Jan 2019
arista
26-06-2016, 12:58 PM
Liam Fox
Conservative Leave MP has just said
That sounds about right
Cheers Liam
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/26/474078/default/v1/gettyimages-129142986-1-288x216.jpg
GiRTh
26-06-2016, 12:59 PM
Arent the EU demandng UK leave before then?
arista
26-06-2016, 01:02 PM
Arent the EU demandng UK leave before then?
Yes they are
but we have the Legal Letter that starts it all off
NOT them feckers
GiRTh
26-06-2016, 01:03 PM
What did you expect. You rejected them and now they want you gone as soon as possible. Surely its best if UK leaves as soon as possible. :shrug:
arista
26-06-2016, 01:06 PM
What did you expect. You rejected them and now they want you gone as soon as possible. Surely its best if UK leaves as soon as possible. :shrug:
No Great Britain does not Like Orders like that
Until we have in Our Legal Letter
they can not force us.
They can get nasty at borders
but we can Smash French Wine Bottles
plans ready
GiRTh
26-06-2016, 01:08 PM
No Great Britain does not Like Orders like that
Until we have in Our Legal Letter
they can not force us.
They can get nasty at borders
but we can Smash French Wine Bottles
plans readySo you want to hang around? Why?
The vote has been made, the decision as been taken,why hang around?
jaxie
26-06-2016, 01:15 PM
Arent the EU demandng UK leave before then?
Well we kind of voted to leave so we don't actually have to do what they tell us to anymore. The UK will proceed as appropriate for us.
GiRTh
26-06-2016, 01:22 PM
Well we kind of voted to leave so we don't actually have to do what they tell us to anymore. The UK will proceed as appropriate for us.Good luck with that. Do you really expect the Eu to let UK take advantage while leaving? And you're gonna hang around why? To spite them? OK if you say so but the decision has been made surely its in eveyones best interest for the Uk to leave as soon as possible.
Cherie
26-06-2016, 01:26 PM
Isn't this going to cause 4 and a half years of uncertainty as it will take another two years to exit after 2019 and will the EU let us sit round the table making decisions on a future the UK won't be involved in :shrug:
Tom4784
26-06-2016, 01:27 PM
If you were invited to a party then said it was terrible and that you wanted to leave, the party hosts probably wouldn't take too kindly to you hanging around and gorging on their spreads until you decide to actually leave.
The voters have made their beds, now it's time to lie in it.
GiRTh
26-06-2016, 01:30 PM
If you were invited to a party then said it was terrible and that you wanted to leave, the party hosts probably wouldn't take too kindly to you hanging around and gorging on their spreads until you decide to actually leave.
The voters have made their beds, now it's time to lie in it.This. Even if UK stays till 2019 there will not be alot of co-operation coming their way so why not make the spilt as soon as possible.:shrug:
Crimson Dynamo
26-06-2016, 01:39 PM
This is no surprise to anyone.
arista
26-06-2016, 01:52 PM
So you want to hang around? Why?
The vote has been made, the decision as been taken,why hang around?
No I want it moved faster
but because of the UK setting up there Documents
and agreements needs to be be sorted right
I am OK so long as the Date is Set in place soon.
Party Time
Dancing on a Mega Map of Europe
Music Marvin Gaye Remixes
with California Wine and English Food.
1st Jan 2019
http://hhdimports.com/wp/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/caliwinefair.png
arista
26-06-2016, 01:55 PM
If you were invited to a party then said it was terrible and that you wanted to leave, the party hosts probably wouldn't take too kindly to you hanging around and gorging on their spreads until you decide to actually leave.
The voters have made their beds, now it's time to lie in it.
Yes Dezzy
California Wine is Fantastic
http://static.theglobeandmail.ca/cf0/life/food-and-wine/wine/wine-reviews/article9674710.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/beppi13lf1.JPG
Kizzy
26-06-2016, 02:23 PM
No Great Britain does not Like Orders like that
Until we have in Our Legal Letter
they can not force us.
They can get nasty at borders
but we can Smash French Wine Bottles
plans ready
Yep we've proved we're really good at destroying things.
Crimson Dynamo
26-06-2016, 02:29 PM
Yep we've proved we're really good at destroying things.
What like the labour party?
(rip)
Mokka
26-06-2016, 02:44 PM
Was the vote not just to find out from the electorate what they want the government's decision on an issue to be?? It isn't a legal and binding decision that takes effect the moment it is made... It's a guidepost for the current government to make a decision based on public opinion on a single issue... So now the UK and it's governments can look at the data of the vote and make choices based on the people they represent.. And if Ireland and Scotland use the data to leave the UK, and if the UK use the data to leave the EU... Those are choices that need to be made by their respective governments still.
joeysteele
26-06-2016, 02:47 PM
Isn't this going to cause 4 and a half years of uncertainty as it will take another two years to exit after 2019 and will the EU let us sit round the table making decisions on a future the UK won't be involved in :shrug:
No they won't Cherie,that is in fact just about the only thing we know since this vote .
arista
26-06-2016, 02:54 PM
Yep we've proved we're really good at destroying things.
Its Up to them (French)
Play Fair
arista
26-06-2016, 02:58 PM
Was the vote not just to find out from the electorate what they want the government's decision on an issue to be?? It isn't a legal and binding decision that takes effect the moment it is made... It's a guidepost for the current government to make a decision based on public opinion on a single issue... So now the UK and it's governments can look at the data of the vote and make choices based on the people they represent.. And if Ireland and Scotland use the data to leave the UK, and if the UK use the data to leave the EU... Those are choices that need to be made by their respective governments still.
The Massive Turnout Vote Win is Legal
After October a New Leave Conservative PM
takes over (could be Liam Fox, for example)
he then the submits the Legal Letter EU Act.50
rights to leave the EU
The Massive Turnout Vote Win is Legal
After October a New Leave Conservative PM
takes over (could be Liam Fox, for example)
he then the submits the Legal Letter EU Act.50
rights to leave the EU
its not binding, although the government would ignore it at their peril
joeysteele
26-06-2016, 03:05 PM
The Massive Turnout Vote Win is Legal
After October a New Leave Conservative PM
takes over (could be Liam Fox, for example)
he then the submits the Legal Letter EU Act.50
rights to leave the EU
Liam Fox would be disaster.
I have little doubt as to that, his time is surely gone,if it in fact ever came, for even consideration as a potential leader.
Cherie
26-06-2016, 03:35 PM
It feels to me like a be careful what you wish for thing, now the leavers (government) have got it they don't know what to do with it, Dave resigning was a blow few envisaged
Cherie
26-06-2016, 03:39 PM
Was the vote not just to find out from the electorate what they want the government's decision on an issue to be?? It isn't a legal and binding decision that takes effect the moment it is made... It's a guidepost for the current government to make a decision based on public opinion on a single issue... So now the UK and it's governments can look at the data of the vote and make choices based on the people they represent.. And if Ireland and Scotland use the data to leave the UK, and if the UK use the data to leave the EU... Those are choices that need to be made by their respective governments still.
No we were told Article 50 would be triggered immediately in the event of an out vote, at this rate most of the vote leavers will be dead or have forgotten the vote ever happened by the time it's triggered :joker:
Northern Monkey
26-06-2016, 03:41 PM
It feels to me like a be careful what you wish for thing, now the leavers (government) have got it they don't know what to do with it, Dave resigning was a blow few envisaged
I think it was envisaged.Just before the referendum a load of Tories wrote a letter the Cameron begging him to stay.I think they knew he'd quit if it was a leave vote.
Kizzy
26-06-2016, 03:54 PM
What like the labour party?
(rip)
nope..
37iHSwA1SwE
jaxie
26-06-2016, 04:07 PM
It feels to me like a be careful what you wish for thing, now the leavers (government) have got it they don't know what to do with it, Dave resigning was a blow few envisaged
It was widely assumed he might go if we didn't vote to remain. It stands to reason that we need to get a new leader before it can go ahead. :shrug:
Cherie
26-06-2016, 04:08 PM
It was widely assumed he might go if we didn't vote to remain. It stands to reason that we need to get a new leader before it can go ahead. :shrug:
2019 though Jaxie come on that is just not feasible
2019 though Jaxie come on that is just not feasible
if the new pm is appointed in october, its then only 2 months till the end of the year. As the process is allocated a 2 year time frame, Jan 2019 is going to be about right.
If we add a General election in to the mix to decide which party does the negotiating, it could be much later than that.
jaxie
26-06-2016, 04:48 PM
2019 though Jaxie come on that is just not feasible
If you think about it, from October when the new PM will be in place Jan 2019 is actually about 2 months over 2 years.
Jamesy
26-06-2016, 04:50 PM
Given the government will need time to adjust and sort itself out with a new prime minister, this time frame could be quite right. I doubt they will sit back with getting things in motion, so 2-3 months for the government to sort itself out with a new leader then activate the 2 year negotiations of leaving sounds about right.
joeysteele
26-06-2016, 04:54 PM
The point is Article 50 just triggers off the leaving process, that is not about the trade deals.
The 2 year period can be extended by the EU if needed and it will likely have to be,as trade deals can take anything from 2 to 10 years to complete.
Unless of course the UK negotiators go to the EU saying they want to stay in the single market and will accept still the free movement of EU citizens.
Then other than membership and the funds we send,not much is likely to change. Except that we will still have to accept EU conditions when and how they change them but have no say in that whatsoever, or a vote on it either.
The point is Article 50 just triggers off the leaving process, that is not about the trade deals.
The 2 year period can be extended by the EU if needed and it will likely have to be,as trade deals can take anything from 2 to 10 years to complete.
Unless of course the UK negotiators go to the EU saying they want to stay in the single market and will accept still the free movement of EU citizens.
Then other than membership and the funds we send,not much is likely to change. Except that we will still have to accept EU conditions when and how they change them but have no say in that whatsoever, or a vote on it either.
Germany are now looking in to offering us an associate membership that takes account of immigration worries .... its not a renegotiation in name ... but it is in reality ....
joeysteele
26-06-2016, 05:03 PM
Germany are now looking in to offering us an associate membership that takes account of immigration worries .... its not a renegotiation in name ... but it is in reality ....
It is all up in the air, no one knows what to offer, what is best, where to go, when to do anything or even what to say.
Still let's see what comes up and also Boris Johnson early on in the campaign said, if we got a vote to leave,he gave the impression that could bring a greater set of offers as to 're-negotiations'.
I believe he and others were asked, were they hoping a leave vote would force more concessions from the EU.
Cherie
26-06-2016, 05:08 PM
if the new pm is appointed in october, its then only 2 months till the end of the year. As the process is allocated a 2 year time frame, Jan 2019 is going to be about right.
If we add a General election in to the mix to decide which party does the negotiating, it could be much later than that.
If you think about it, from October when the new PM will be in place Jan 2019 is actually about 2 months over 2 years.
Oh I picked that up wrong I thought he meant starting the process in 2019 :omgno:
joeysteele
26-06-2016, 06:41 PM
Oh I picked that up wrong I thought he meant starting the process in 2019 :omgno:
That was suggested by a Conservative MP on the news this morning, nothing can begin until the British govt actually does trigger Article 50, if they don't nothing really happens in between.
It is almost starting to look like no one really wants to be the one that does trigger it,just at this present time anyway.
Cherie
26-06-2016, 07:13 PM
That was suggested by a Conservative MP on the news this morning, nothing can begin until the British govt actually does trigger Article 50, if they don't nothing really happens in between.
It is almost starting to look like no one really wants to be the one that does trigger it,just at this present time anyway.
Poisoned chalice, it needs to be someone who is at the end of their career, they might have to dig someone up
vBulletin® v3.8.11, Copyright ©2000-2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.