Are you happy you voted the Conservative Party into power and where it has led us?

[billy123]

Im Curious How happy the Conservative supporters are with their second term in government and where it has led us and will you be voting for them to get a third term?
There was a lot of support for them on here at the last Election despite the warnings.
How do you feel they have done so far?

[Pete.]

I'm lowkey trapped in a Conservative safe seat but I'll be voting Green/Labour/Liberal next time

[Shaun]

Always baffles me that it's the Lib Dems who died harder than the Tories. Hoping they resurface as a genuine third party contender again soon.

[the truth]

happy theyve halved unemployment and reduced the brred for benefits, unhappy with vat and the massive tax evasion continued from new labours yrs. happy theyre targetting a 7 day nhs

[Braden]

No, I'll never respect the Tory party. I can't see myself ever voting for them unless there was an extraordinary circumstance where I felt I felt there were no other option, which is very unlikely.

I hate what they stand for. They don't benefit the working-class in any way. They don't benefit students in any way.

[kirklancaster]

I did not vote for them.

[Denver]

I voted UKIP

[bots]

i didn't vote for them, but i support them overwhelmingly compared to labour, and I still do. For whatever reason, they were the only party offering a referendum which was absolutely the right thing, whether you agree with the result or not.

[jaxie]

I've never voted for them though I will say they have gone some way to repairing the mess labour and the bankers left, though it's been painful.

[Vicky.]

I didn't vote for them, but they have done exactly as I expected. Blaming the poor for the woes of the world, cutting peoples income unless they are massively rich, cutting NHS budgets, school budgets, etc etc.

[Kizzy]

Well as a sinkhole opens up in Gateshead the UK is doing exactly what I predicted post brexit and disappearing up it's own arse.... :/

[Black Dagger]

I'd never vote for that disgusting party.

[Scarlett.]

I voted Labour :D

[joeysteele]

I didn't vote for them obviously but they have found that a small overall majority can be worse than having none and being in coalition.

They have had their wings clipped rather by public opinion and the Lords too.
So in the last year they have not been able to really do some of the worst aspects of their manifesto.

Now and for the next few years at the very least with this referendum,they have helped create an almighty mess and a pretty bad potential constitutional crisis too.

Whoever it is that takes over will need to be massively conciliatory to the Conservative opposing sides of this referendum and need careful and sensitive skills to carry Parliament as a whole with them.
That will not come easy to any Conservative leader and if they elect the one I hope they will not, then that will be well and truly out the window.

I would not be supporting them in the next election obviously, no matter when it may be, early next year or 2020.
I see at best little and really no hope for the sick,disabled and most vulnerable from this present Conservative party overall so for me,no they have not done well.

[Tom4784]

I voted Labour.

We ended up with a Tory MP which is confusing to say the least given that this area is as anti-Tory as you can get.

The sooner the next election comes around the better.

[smudgie]

I voted Tory, no way could I vote Labour with Ed at the helm and the mess they left behind last time they were in.
I am sorry David Cameron is resigning, I am not sure if I could vote for Boris.
Hopefully by the next election there will be a decent opposition so we have a choice if he doesn't cut the mustard.
Over all I have been happy with my vote, at least he has carried out his promise of a referendum, just have to wait and se how it pans out now.:shrug:

[Braden]

I voted Labour.

We ended up with a Tory MP which is confusing to say the least given that this area is as anti-Tory as you can get.

The sooner the next election comes around the better.

Same exact thing happened in my area. Very bizarre considering we had a Labour MP who was doing just great.

I have a feeling the next election will go the exact same way and we'll be stuck in a Tory government for years to come, sadly.

[the truth]

No, I'll never respect the Tory party. I can't see myself ever voting for them unless there was an extraordinary circumstance where I felt I felt there were no other option, which is very unlikely.

I hate what they stand for. They don't benefit the working-class in any way. They don't benefit students in any way.

completely exaggerated , the world is infinitely more complex than that , but it will take students 10 / 15 years to unlearn some of this ...I hope you channel your idealism and hope to can change the world for the better

"Any one who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and
any one who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains" - Churchill (the bloke with the cigars who saved the world)

[the truth]

I voted Tory, no way could I vote Labour with Ed at the helm and the mess they left behind last time they were in.
I am sorry David Cameron is resigning, I am not sure if I could vote for Boris.
Hopefully by the next election there will be a decent opposition so we have a choice if he doesn't cut the mustard.
Over all I have been happy with my vote, at least he has carried out his promise of a referendum, just have to wait and se how it pans out now.:shrug:

Im absolutely gutted cameron quit. GUTTED. I didnt agree with all he said but damn it he was a great statesman in many ways and he inherited a disgraceful mess from the super corrupt labour party who destroyed the economy, invaded nations illegally , damaged our civil liberties and covered up endless public sector and nhs abuses

[the truth]

I'd never vote for that disgusting party.

neither would i , new labour were atrocious

[the truth]

I didn't vote for them, but they have done exactly as I expected. Blaming the poor for the woes of the world, cutting peoples income unless they are massively rich, cutting NHS budgets, school budgets, etc etc.

they havent cut nhs budgets and theyve increased it far more than welsh labour on the welsh nhs....though admittedly wales is much poorer
they have created 2.5 million new jobs and reduced the breed for benefits culture. yes i know some are part time and some are zero hour contract but jobs are the key to any happy contented society and 2.5 million is a monumental achievement and far moreso than all of europe put together

[Braden]

completely exaggerated , the world is infinitely more complex than that , but it will take students 10 / 15 years to unlearn some of this ...I hope you channel your idealism and hope to can change the world for the better

"Any one who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and
any one who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains" - Churchill (the bloke with the cigars who saved the world)

Well, I'm aware that the world is a very complex place, but I'm speaking on behalf of myself and what the Conservative party have done that affects my life in particular, and why they absolutely do not warrant my individual vote.

I feel like voting against Conservative demonstrates my idealism. I don't want to confine myself or respect a government that doesn't benefit me. In 10/15 years time, who knows, my perception might change (but like I said it's very unlikely). I don't even think a quote from Winston Churchill will make an impact on my political views. Sorry to say.

[Cherie]

Voted Green, that said there are some area of Tory politics that I agree with and a lot I don't, I don't think any of the parties are all black and white and as a leader I didn't mind Cameron

[Shaun]

I don't even think a quote from Winston Churchill will make an impact on my political views. Sorry to say.

Not to worry really considering he endorsed genocide in India.

[Kazanne]

I voted Tory, no way could I vote Labour with Ed at the helm and the mess they left behind last time they were in.
I am sorry David Cameron is resigning, I am not sure if I could vote for Boris.
Hopefully by the next election there will be a decent opposition so we have a choice if he doesn't cut the mustard.
Over all I have been happy with my vote, at least he has carried out his promise of a referendum, just have to wait and se how it pans out now.:shrug:

Exactly this ^

[Kazanne]

Im absolutely gutted cameron quit. GUTTED. I didnt agree with all he said but damn it he was a great statesman in many ways and he inherited a disgraceful mess from the super corrupt labour party who destroyed the economy, invaded nations illegally , damaged our civil liberties and covered up endless public sector and nhs abuses

And this ^:clap1:

[Northern Monkey]

Never voted Tory,Never will.Could'nt vote Labour with Ed and deffo not with Corbyn.Voted UKIP last couple of times,Think Nigel is a legend getting us our independence back but would'nt vote for him to be our leader in a GE.

Praying Corbyn stops being so stubborn and realises nobody wants him anymore then we can get a good strong sensible leader for Labour who will take advantage of all the benefits of our Brexit.

[Kizzy]

Never voted Tory,Never will.Could'nt vote Labour with Ed and deffo not with Corbyn.Voted UKIP last couple of times,Think Nigel is a legend getting us our independence back but would'nt vote for him to be our leader in a GE.

Praying Corbyn stops being so stubborn and realises nobody wants him anymore then we can get a good strong sensible leader for Labour who will take advantage of all the benefits of our Brexit.

What are the advantages again?..

[user104658]

What are the advantages again?..
Old Betty feels safe in her home now goddamnit you can't put a price on that!

[the truth]

IF labour had still been in charge in 2010 to now, wed be bankrupt and austerity would have been 10 times worse. when will idealistic young voters ever realise you simply must have a strong economy or we all go down the toilet

[Kizzy]

IF labour had still been in charge in 2010 to now, wed be bankrupt and austerity would have been 10 times worse. when will idealistic young voters ever realise you simply must have a strong economy or we all go down the toilet

How strong is it now?..

[Livia]

I'm not getting involved in such an obviously baiting, sneering thread. This is not designed to lead to a discussion... I won't say 'debate' as so few people on here know what that means now.

[joeysteele]

How strong is it now?..

Very good question Kizzy.

There has just been a vote that largely discounted the economy no matter how fragile that economy still was,now the economy is all important again.

There are many years to go before all this now chaos is concluded,let's see just what shape the economy is at the end of all that.

[Kizzy]

Imagine the impact on investments and share values?.....:/

[arista]

Im Curious How happy the Conservative supporters are with their second term in government and where it has led us and will you be voting for them to get a third term?
There was a lot of support for them on here at the last Election despite the warnings.
How do you feel they have done so far?





Yes the Old
IN / OUT Won It Bob.


I thank Nige for nicking Tory MP's
making Dave catch the TRAP

[the truth]

How strong is it now?..

way stronger than labour left it....unemployment over 50% down...gdp steadily up for the last few years....house prices up. 2.6 million new jobs. more than the rest of the eu nations put together. way fewer people on the breed for benefits gravy train and a limit has been put on them too.

[Kizzy]

way stronger than labour left it....unemployment over 50% down...gdp steadily up for the last few years....house prices up. 2.6 million new jobs. more than the rest of the eu nations put together. way fewer people on the breed for benefits gravy train and a limit has been put on them too.


Yeah that was a world wide recession now we're having our own sovereign recession...


'Trading in Barclays and RBS shares was suspended on Monday morning following heavy losses on the London Stock Exchange.

Barclays share price was down 10.3 per cent and RBS was down 15 per cent on Monday, triggering automatic circuit breakers that kick in when a share price falls more than 8 per cent.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/barclays-rbs-halts-trading-eu-referendum-brexit-ftse-100-stock-market-a7105196.html

[user104658]

Yeah that was a world wide recession now we're having our own sovereign recession...


'Trading in Barclays and RBS shares was suspended on Monday morning following heavy losses on the London Stock Exchange.

Barclays share price was down 10.3 per cent and RBS was down 15 per cent on Monday, triggering automatic circuit breakers that kick in when a share price falls more than 8 per cent.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/barclays-rbs-halts-trading-eu-referendum-brexit-ftse-100-stock-market-a7105196.html
You're fighting a losing battle here Kizzy, the blinkers are on so firmly that they're blindfolds in most cases. Apparently the economy is just fine and any drops are purely coincidence.

[joeysteele]

You're fighting a losing battle here Kizzy, the blinkers are on so firmly that they're blindfolds in most cases. Apparently the economy is just fine and any drops are purely coincidence.

Exactly TS.

[the truth]

Yeah that was a world wide recession now we're having our own sovereign recession...


'Trading in Barclays and RBS shares was suspended on Monday morning following heavy losses on the London Stock Exchange.

Barclays share price was down 10.3 per cent and RBS was down 15 per cent on Monday, triggering automatic circuit breakers that kick in when a share price falls more than 8 per cent.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/barclays-rbs-halts-trading-eu-referendum-brexit-ftse-100-stock-market-a7105196.html

it wasnt worldwide it was usa and uk especially and ours was worse because our economy was imbalanced. new labour wasted billions, deregulated the banks and the financial sector, dismantled the monopolies and mergers, wasted billions on the public sector, allowing council ceo's to double their salaries to nearly £250,000 p/a endless cover ups such as the 20,000 children abuses in rotherham...nhs scandals galore the stafford starvation of 1000+ patients, mrsa levels up to 70 times those in scandiavian countries....the whole nhs trust system was a disaster....they allowed banks to quadruple in size they totally decapitated the bak of england and sold billions of gold in a panic at way below its value.....
oh and wasted billions and cost 100,000s of innocent lives on on illegal wars.....but they did at least ban fox hunting
what a shower

they left us bankrupt again. no money left.

[the truth]

[/B]

Exactly TS.

Its been a very bad few days , but to compare 4 days blip to the economic meltdown of 2007/8 is hysterical. Lets see how the markets go over a period of time:wavey:

[Kizzy]

Its been a very bad few days , but to compare 4 days blip to the economic meltdown of 2007/8 is hysterical. Lets see how the markets go over a period of time:wavey:

it's worse, it's a 31yr low, with billions wiped of share prices, this is more than a blip.

[the truth]

it's worse, it's a 31yr low, with billions wiped of share prices, this is more than a blip.

lol the stock market fell 50% in the 07 /08 crash...that means the its doubled since then in the uk and usa....the pound falling is not ideal, it is a big fall and will hopefully rectify but it isnt anywhere near as important , it hurts in one way helps in another. the wntire ftse falling in half lost 100s of billions of value of our economy

[Mystic Mock]

Really, really bad.

When I was growing up this country's people was much happier as a whole, we was building alliances, and financially well off for most of my childhood. (until 2008)

But ever since the Tories have been running the UK they've had Scotland wanting to have two different Referendums in high numbers, they've caused us to leave the EU, they're encouraging racism in the UK, and they encouraged scapegoating of the EU and the Liberal Democrats, and biased treatment in their favour in the Media which is about as Democratic as Russia Today sometimes.

So no I seriously hope that they don't get a third term.

The only good thing in their repertoire has been legalising gay marriage, and even then nearly half of the party was against David Cameron on it.

They're a cold, inhumane party in my view that if they could they would have us all working without no wage whatsoever, and dying on the streets.

[user104658]

You can't even really give them gay marriage as a plus, let's be honest. That was just the global political tide at the time, any country claiming to be forward thinking can't really justify not legalising it... It wouldn't matter who was in power at the time, gay marriage rights would still have come in at roughly the same time.

Their "fixing" of the economy has been smoke and mirrors, their social policies have ranged from the cruel to the laughably disastrous, they've overseen the breakup of the EU and quite possibly the UK... They've wrecked education, both basic and higher... Wrecked the NHS... Let's not even talk about the shambles of Universal Credit...

Have I missed anything?

[Mystic Mock]

completely exaggerated , the world is infinitely more complex than that , but it will take students 10 / 15 years to unlearn some of this ...I hope you channel your idealism and hope to can change the world for the better

"Any one who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and
any one who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains" - Churchill (the bloke with the cigars who saved the world)

No offense to Winston Chruchill but there's a reason why the people of their time had issues with him running our country away from WWII, and that's because people like leaders that are tough, but can still be compassionate when need be, which is what the Conservatives lack.

[Mystic Mock]

What are the advantages again?..

I haven't heard a good case yet either.

I at least thought that there was a crazy plan gonna be pushed forward, it turns that there's no plan going forward.:shocked:

So basically we've damaged our relationship with the EU and America for what?

[Mystic Mock]

IF labour had still been in charge in 2010 to now, wed be bankrupt and austerity would have been 10 times worse. when will idealistic young voters ever realise you simply must have a strong economy or we all go down the toilet

I could say that to the elderly about the EU, but apparently in Neverland pulling out of the EU was gonna stop Immigration, save the NHS, get Coal Mines back, and pull us out of the European Court Of Law.:hehe:

So it's kind of funny the hypocrisy in this post.

[Mystic Mock]

You can't even really give them gay marriage as a plus, let's be honest. That was just the global political tide at the time, any country claiming to be forward thinking can't really justify not legalising it... It wouldn't matter who was in power at the time, gay marriage rights would still have come in at roughly the same time.

Their "fixing" of the economy has been smoke and mirrors, their social policies have ranged from the cruel to the laughably disastrous, they've overseen the breakup of the EU and quite possibly the UK... They've wrecked education, both basic and higher... Wrecked the NHS... Let's not even talk about the shambles of Universal Credit...

Have I missed anything?

So true on everything that you've said TS.:clap1:

It's gonna take years for us to fix ourselves, and maybe even get a chance to get back in the EU.

I'm just still in shock that there's no plan from the Brexitors after the result.

[the truth]

I could say that to the elderly about the EU, but apparently in Neverland pulling out of the EU was gonna stop Immigration, save the NHS, get Coal Mines back, and pull us out of the European Court Of Law.:hehe:

So it's kind of funny the hypocrisy in this post.

YOURE ABSURD exaggeration is exactly why bremain lost, when will you ever learn

[bots]

I could say that to the elderly about the EU, but apparently in Neverland pulling out of the EU was gonna stop Immigration, save the NHS, get Coal Mines back, and pull us out of the European Court Of Law.:hehe:

So it's kind of funny the hypocrisy in this post.

If you are going to blame an age demographic for a vote, it would be wise to check the proportions of age groups in the UK

The older generation are vastly outnumbered, so cannot possibly be soley responsible for a UK wide referendum result

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you are going to blame an age demographic for a vote, it would be wise to check the proportions of age groups in the UK

http://www.fanalyzer.co.uk/charts/facebook_uk_age_distribution.png

You can see that the older generation are vastly outnumbered, so cannot possibly be soley responsible for a UK wide referendum result

I doubt any 18-24s voted as they were too busy taking selfies and applying fake tan

[user104658]

I'm just still in shock that there's no plan from the Brexitors after the result.

The only explanation is that they didn't really think it would happen. They had zero day one, short, or medium term plan in black and white... And their long term plan is just "Everything will be rly super gud".

[bots]

I doubt any 18-24s voted as they were too busy taking selfies and applying fake tan

i took that graph out as it relates to facebook .... but the principle is the same :laugh:

[Cherie]

If you are going to blame an age demographic for a vote, it would be wise to check the proportions of age groups in the UK

http://www.fanalyzer.co.uk/charts/facebook_uk_age_distribution.png

You can see that the older generation are vastly outnumbered, so cannot possibly be soley responsible for a UK wide referendum result


This was a harsh wake up call for young people who didn't bother to vote, you can't expect Joe Bloggs next door to do it for you, I can understand young not voting in a GE with some seats being so safe there is no point voting or all the parties are so awful, but a referendum on membership of the EU which is a once in a lifetime decision, not to turn out to vote is beyond my comprehension

[Braden]

Voted Green, that said there are some area of Tory politics that I agree with and a lot I don't, I don't think any of the parties are all black and white and as a leader I didn't mind Cameron

I totally agree with you Cherie.

I'm actually going to look into the Green Party's policies and wait to see who their new leader will be, and if I'm satisfied enough I will join the party and volunteer in the run-up for the next election. I've always been stuck between Green and Labour in terms of my support.

[the truth]

ill support corbyn for a while against the blairites....new labour were pure evil....but if corbyn can survive this and grow some backbone maybe a labour with honesty and principle can emerge

[Braden]

ill support corbyn for a while against the blairites....new labour were pure evil....but if corbyn can survive this and grow some backbone maybe a labour with honesty and principle can emerge

I totally agree.

[Mystic Mock]

YOURE ABSURD exaggeration is exactly why bremain lost, when will you ever learn

I'm quoting what people said so it's not me exaggerating but the people on the Leave side that said those things.:joker:

[DemolitionRed]

You can't even really give them gay marriage as a plus, let's be honest. That was just the global political tide at the time, any country claiming to be forward thinking can't really justify not legalising it... It wouldn't matter who was in power at the time, gay marriage rights would still have come in at roughly the same time.

Their "fixing" of the economy has been smoke and mirrors, their social policies have ranged from the cruel to the laughably disastrous, they've overseen the breakup of the EU and quite possibly the UK... They've wrecked education, both basic and higher... Wrecked the NHS... Let's not even talk about the shambles of Universal Credit...

Have I missed anything?

Why on earth didn't this British government set up an oil fund to protect Scottish industry during hard times. Failure to protect Scotland was absolutely unforgivable.

[Mystic Mock]

If you are going to blame an age demographic for a vote, it would be wise to check the proportions of age groups in the UK

The older generation are vastly outnumbered, so cannot possibly be soley responsible for a UK wide referendum result

Well considering that 75% of younger demographics voted to Remain, then it does leave the elderly, and the middle aged I'm afraid.

The only reason the middle aged aren't getting as much abuse, is because a lot of them were willing to listen to their children and grandchildren who are gonna be living in this state for many more years to come, and of course have to wipe the bums off of the people that did vote to leave the EU.

[bots]

Well considering that 75% of younger demographics voted to Remain, then it does leave the elderly, and the middle aged I'm afraid.

The only reason the middle aged aren't getting as much abuse, is because a lot of them were willing to listen to their children and grandchildren who are gonna be living in this state for many more years to come, and of course have to wipe the bums off of the people that did vote to leave the EU.

thats just not correct. If the young actually went out and voted, they would totally outnumber the older generations vote. So you can't attach blame to the older generation for voting when the young generation can't be arsed.

[Mystic Mock]

thats just not correct. If the young actually went out and voted, they would totally outnumber the older generations vote. So you can't attach blame to the older generation.

The older generation shouldn't have been selfish, and cruel to the younger generations just because they thought that they would get their "UK" back.

Times change, just like in my time I'll lose certain things that made the UK unique to me (which is already starting at a really early age) the older generation need to learn and accept that a country nowadays cannot survive without allies, trade deals, and most importantly the Economy, you would've thought that the 70's would've taught these people something.

[bots]

The older generation shouldn't have been selfish, and cruel to the younger generations just because they thought that they would get their "UK" back.

Times change, just like in my time I'll lose certain things that made the UK unique to me (which is already starting at a really early age) the older generation need to learn and accept that a country nowadays cannot survive without allies, trade deals, and most importantly the Economy, you would've thought that the 70's would've taught these people something.

but they are not being selfish and cruel :joker:

Fact 1. there are many more young voters than old
Fact 2. if the young can't be bothered voting, its their OWN fault if the result doesn't go their way.

[Mystic Mock]

but they are not being selfish and cruel :joker:

Fact 1. there are many more young voters than old
Fact 2. if the young can't be bothered voting, its their OWN fault if the result doesn't go their way.

Fact 1 - it is cruel to want to damage the country's future.

Fact 2 - It is cruel to want to damage the younger generation's dreams and prospects, don't forget not everyone in this country hates Europe, hence 48% that did vote.

Fact 3 - As I've said the only people that can't complain about the result is the ones that voted OUT! Everybody else can complain and nobody can say anything about people doing it as they didn't vote out and then regret it afterwards like some of the Out people are already doing.

Fact 4 - The Leave campaigners have ironically been the least patriotic of us all because we're gonna lose Scotland, we're likely to lose NI, and I've heard that Gibraltar wants to join Scotland on a Referendum as well.

[bots]

Fact 1 - it is cruel to want to damage the country's future.

Fact 2 - It is cruel to want to damage the younger generation's dreams and prospects, don't forget not everyone in this country hates Europe, hence 48% that did vote.

Fact 3 - As I've said the only people that can't complain about the result is the ones that voted OUT! Everybody else can complain and nobody can say anything about people doing it as they didn't vote out and then regret it afterwards like some of the Out people are already doing.

Fact 4 - The Leave campaigners have ironically been the least patriotic of us all because we're gonna lose Scotland, we're likely to lose NI, and I've heard that Gibraltar wants to join Scotland on a Referendum as well.

I think you have a bit to learn about democracy. Your view isn't the only one, and is a personal choice.

There were 2 options on the ballot, both valid, and both with pros and cons


In a democracy, everyone is entitled to a view, and to be able to express it in the form of a vote.

Nothing cruel or unfair about it.

[arista]

I doubt any 18-24s voted as they were too busy taking selfies and applying fake tan


Yes LT


and Slumped on a bed with there PS4 Remote


Me I voted Sharp at 7AM
I made a Fecking EFFORT

[Kizzy]

Young people have to conserve their energy for working till they die...

[DemolitionRed]

Fact 1 - it is cruel to want to damage the country's future.

Fact 2 - It is cruel to want to damage the younger generation's dreams and prospects, don't forget not everyone in this country hates Europe, hence 48% that did vote.

Fact 3 - As I've said the only people that can't complain about the result is the ones that voted OUT! Everybody else can complain and nobody can say anything about people doing it as they didn't vote out and then regret it afterwards like some of the Out people are already doing.

Fact 4 - The Leave campaigners have ironically been the least patriotic of us all because we're gonna lose Scotland, we're likely to lose NI, and I've heard that Gibraltar wants to join Scotland on a Referendum as well.

So what exactly where the benefits of youngsters staying within the EU? What was on offer?

The EU have refused to reform in the slightest, so what will life be like for our children and future grandchildren? This isn’t about being European, we are European; its about leaving a Union that ties us to an uncompetitive market. It’s a club where every little thing is regulated.

I’m a mother and I don’t want my kids to live in a Union that insists they put up and shut up. I don’t want them to live in a Union that is heading towards being the United States of Europe with crippling medical insurance, prison systems that work on a profit basis and poor schools for those who can’t afford a decent education. I want them to live in a free-trading, open, globalized economy and because the Union wouldn’t give an inch, the only way they can do that is in a stand alone Britain.

[Wizard.]

I couldn't vote last year but at the time I wanted to vote Labour. Now I'm joining the Conservative party and will join them at the Student Union. Before anyone talks about how they're bad for students and the working class - I have hope that conservative can change some views in the future which is best done from the inside.

[DemolitionRed]

I couldn't vote last year but at the time I wanted to vote Labour. Now I'm joining the Conservative party and will join them at the Student Union. Before anyone talks about how they're bad for students and the working class - I have hope that conservative can change some views in the future which is best done from the inside.

The question is, what style of Conservatism will you support ?

[arista]

"Now I'm joining the Conservative party and will join them at the Student Union."

How Nice

[user104658]

I’m a mother and I don’t want my kids to live in a Union that insists they put up and shut up. I don’t want them to live in a Union that is heading towards being the United States of Europe with crippling medical insurance, prison systems that work on a profit basis and poor schools for those who can’t afford a decent education. I want them to live in a free-trading, open, globalized economy and because the Union wouldn’t give an inch, the only way they can do that is in a stand alone Britain.

But even man-of-the-people Farage has admitted that we're going to end up on a private health scheme anyway?

As usual I understand what you're saying in theory DR... but there are some glaring flaws here. In a free-trading, open, globalised, competitive economy we are now competing against a number of rising economic powerhouses who treat their citizens like disposable work-horses. No room for creativity, little time for recreation or family, no freedom to simply enjoy life, harsh and stifling education systems that have little care for the psychological or social wellbeing of the children in them. That is what we are "competing with".

To be blunt, it's like you voted for an idealised vision of an independent Britain that doesn't exist and will never exist.

[DemolitionRed]

But even man-of-the-people Farage has admitted that we're going to end up on a private health scheme anyway?


And well we may, but only if we allow the neo-liberals to continue with this . Its now for the people of Britain to stop this onslaught. We will now have a government that are servants to the people of Britain.



As usual I understand what you're saying in theory DR... but there are some glaring flaws here. In a free-trading, open, globalised, competitive economy we are now competing against a number of rising economic powerhouses who treat their citizens like disposable work-horses. No room for creativity, little time for recreation or family, no freedom to simply enjoy life, harsh and stifling education systems that have little care for the psychological or social wellbeing of the children in them. That is what we are "competing with".

To be blunt, it's like you voted for an idealised vision of an independent Britain that doesn't exist and will never exist.

We buy more from the EU than sell into it and so there would be riots on the streets of countries like Italy and Germany if free trade agreements didn’t remain in place. Imagine what it would do to their economy if we took our billions and spent it elsewhere. It just won’t happen. We are the 5th largest economy on earth which is pretty incredible considering our size.

So the EU have threatened that we will have no say and will be subject to all sorts of stifling regulations. China haven’t been stifled by regulations and neither has America. Norway and Switzerland haven’t been stifled by EU regulations because they, just like us, are in a free trading, open, globalized economy.

As for immigration. Immigrants outside the EU are restricted from working here. The skills they could bring to this country are held back by a mountain of EU red tape. Whilst the EU may allow any amount of unskilled workers in from the EU, it constantly turns away skilled workers from outside the EU. Its time that changed because if we want our economy to succeed then we need to be sourcing our skill sets from around the globe.

I've got a lot of respect for you TS. I know how passionate you feel about what's happened. Whilst we may disagree on this huge change, we should both agree that we are wanting the same outcome... a fairer and more successful Britain.

[user104658]

And well we may, but only if we allow the neo-liberals to continue with this . Its now for the people of Britain to stop this onslaught. We will now have a government that are servants to the people of Britain.

Why do you think post-Brexit citizens will be any different to pre-Brexit citizens, though? We COULD stop these things from happening, but we won't. Like I said I find it idealised... like somehow people will all of a sudden "be better" - be more involved, demand more. I see not evidence that people won't be just as lame as ever :shrug:. "Take what you're given! Don't complain, you copuld be starving in Africa! If the UK is so bad [blah blah blah]"

[DemolitionRed]

Why do you think post-Brexit citizens will be any different to pre-Brexit citizens, though? We COULD stop these things from happening, but we won't. Like I said I find it idealised... like somehow people will all of a sudden "be better" - be more involved, demand more. I see not evidence that people won't be just as lame as ever :shrug:. "Take what you're given! Don't complain, you copuld be starving in Africa! If the UK is so bad [blah blah blah]"

I didn’t vote out of this Union because of our neo-liberal government. Amongst other things, I voted out because our neo-liberal Union was always going to protect our neo-liberal government.

Whilst we can tar some of the leave voters with cloaked racism, a huge percent voted out because they were unhappy with an establishment who time and time again had blamed cuts to the working poor on ‘austerity’. Regardless of the protests against the harsh effects these cuts were having on the people of Britain, this government pushed on, whilst deliberately turning our class system into arch enemies.

Personally I don’t think that was a clever vote but what it does tell me is, this was as much about bringing down the British government as it was about coming out of Europe. In many ways it was a revolution and revolutions only happen when there are enough people willing to stand up and say, “we aint taking this siht”. That was a hard lesson for our government to learn and that alone will change politics in our favor for decades to come.

Why would we see evidence of anything yet? We are on the dawn of change and haven’t even signed Article 50.

[user104658]

a huge percent voted out because they were unhappy with an establishment who time and time again had blamed cuts to the working poor on ‘austerity’. Regardless of the protests against the harsh effects these cuts were having on the people of Britain, this government pushed on, whilst deliberately turning our class system into arch enemies.

Personally I don’t think that was a clever vote but what it does tell me is, this was as much about bringing down the British government as it was about coming out of Europe. In many ways it was a revolution and revolutions only happen when there are enough people willing to stand up and say, “we aint taking this siht”.

That seems highly unlikely when 4 months ago the very same voters stood up and said "We sure ARE taking this sh*t. More! More sh*t please!".

The bulk of the people who voted leave are the very same people who would like to see any and all benefits stripped back as close to zero as possible. Let's not pretend otherwise. Britain out of the EU is going to be less balanced, and have a bigger wealth divide, than before.

[Kizzy]

I agree, the tories had their wings clipped by the EU on many issues surrounding civil liberties, I expect those to disappear rapidly now.

[user104658]

I agree, the tories had their wings clipped by the EU on many issues surrounding civil liberties, I expect those to disappear rapidly now.

Not only that but they have fresh justification. "We have to do this because YOU all chose to leave the EU so now YOU will have to accept he consequences... we have to cut: [huge list]"

[Kizzy]

Not only that but they have fresh justification. "We have to do this because YOU all chose to leave the EU so now YOU will have to accept he consequences... we have to cut: [huge list]"

Exact amundo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

you two better watch out or you will be on the shadow cabinet by teatime

[Kizzy]

you two better watch out or you will be on the shadow cabinet by teatime

I would love to be on team Corbyn :)