PM : Michael Gove or Theresa May

[arista]

Boris is not running


http://news.sky.com/story/1719619/goves-bombshell-hell-stand-for-tory-leader


http://news.sky.com/story/1716917/who-will-replace-cameron-runners-and-riders

http://static1.uk.businessinsider.com/image/56967ff4e6183e9d408b8cae-480/theresa-may.png

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/78482000/jpg/_78482481_d243888d-fee7-43f6-8463-48e0b6f1f4ca.jpg

[joeysteele]

I'd go for Gove now over May.

[bots]

no, he won't have that responsibility. I would have liked him to be held accountable for leading the leave campaign, but if it turns out a disaster, he won't be forgotten. Better to have someone that has not pissed off half the country as leader.

[arista]

will not let do another Poll
can a Mod help please

"Pick The Next PM

1 Michael Gove

2 Theresa May


For 15 days

[Tom4784]

If Micheal Gove wins I will lose whatever little faith I have left in the UK.

[bots]

If Micheal Gove wins I will lose whatever little faith I have left in the UK.

experts ... never listen to them :laugh:

[Wizard.]

Why is there only two options: flop or evil?

[arista]

The Next General Election is May 2020
Fixed Term Parliament,

Labour/ New Labour Have no legal Right
to call a election

Its Set in Stone

Feel The Force

[Crimson Dynamo]

That Gove mess cant be the PM

Is this even real?

He looks like a Simpson's character

[arista]

Why is there only two options: flop or evil?


These are the Top 2


out of 5 the Conservatives will pick 2
for Final Vote
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/30/474949/default/v1/adaptive-new-1-736x414.jpg


Better than Labours mess

[Tom4784]

experts ... never listen to them :laugh:

Only listen to the ones that tell you what you want to hear!

[arista]

That Gove mess cant be the PM

Is this even real?

He looks like a Simpson's character


How Nice

[arista]

If Micheal Gove wins I will lose whatever little faith I have left in the UK.


Cheer Up , honey

[Cherie]

That Gove mess cant be the PM

Is this even real?

He looks like a Simpson's character

:hee:

[_Tom_]

Gove out of the two, but Leadsom of the five.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lol at us all laughing at America with Donald..



(no one tell LostAlex about the sh1tstorm here)
:worry:

[Rob!]

Jesus Christ this country is more screwed than I thought.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jesus Christ this country is more screwed than I thought.

:nono:

Nicola is keeping Scotland going no problem

[y.winter]

Michael's dog.

[Samm]

If Micheal Gove wins I will lose whatever little faith I have left in the UK.

.

[jaxie]

Well it's a difficult one, Gove is now a backstabber and Teresa May wanted to remain, not sure either is suitable? :shrug:

Can't really see how someone who didn't believe in brexit is right to negotiate it.

I quite like Andrea Leadsom.

[_Tom_]

Let's never let this man lead us :bored:

https://s31.postimg.org/lm0ws5ae3/Cm_Mi_SFz_Wk_AAR6e_R.jpg

[smudgie]

Delighted Boris is gone.
Still leaning towards Theresa May out of the candidates so far.

[smudgie]

Let's never let this man lead us :bored:

https://s31.postimg.org/lm0ws5ae3/Cm_Mi_SFz_Wk_AAR6e_R.jpg

Can't stand the twit.
The way he dismissed the ladies fighting against he pension changes was disgraceful.:fist:
He will have lost the grey vote for the tories if he gets in.

[Crimson Dynamo]

In 2013, Mr Crabb voted against extending marriage equality to same-sex couples. He has also been linked to an organisation which has advocated that homosexuality and bisexuality can be “cured”.

Mr Crabb has employed interns in his parliamentary office through a scheme organised and funded by Christian Action Research and Education (Care). Care has previously sponsored events that refer to gay and bisexual people as “sexually broken” and advocating that they can become “ex-gay”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-leadership-contest-stephen-crabb-deny-homophobic-david-cameron-brexit-a7109211.html


Oh this guy sounds like a keeper and no mistake

[arista]

Let's never let this man lead us :bored:

https://s31.postimg.org/lm0ws5ae3/Cm_Mi_SFz_Wk_AAR6e_R.jpg


Thats Fake?


In any case David Cameron has brought in Gay Laws
that can not be unlocked

So lets stay Up To Date

[_Tom_]

Thats Fake?


In any case David Cameron has brought in Gay Laws
that can not be unlocked

So lets stay Up To Date

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/thought-you-were-happy-to-see-the-back-of-ids-stephen-crabb-will-make-you-wish-we-had-him-back-a6945766.html

Disgusting, loathsome man.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i am amazed the tories allowed him to even stand?

idgi

[Cherie]

In 2013, Mr Crabb voted against extending marriage equality to same-sex couples. He has also been linked to an organisation which has advocated that homosexuality and bisexuality can be “cured”.

Mr Crabb has employed interns in his parliamentary office through a scheme organised and funded by Christian Action Research and Education (Care). Care has previously sponsored events that refer to gay and bisexual people as “sexually broken” and advocating that they can become “ex-gay”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-leadership-contest-stephen-crabb-deny-homophobic-david-cameron-brexit-a7109211.html




Oh this guy sounds like a keeper and no mistake


:facepalm:

[Cherie]

Well it's a difficult one, Gove is now a backstabber and Teresa May wanted to remain, not sure either is suitable? :shrug:

Can't really see how someone who didn't believe in brexit is right to negotiate it.

I quite like Andrea Leadsom.


Apparently she was "only just" remain a bit like Boris :joker:

[the truth]

None of the above

[joeysteele]

The Next General Election is May 2020
Fixed Term Parliament,

Labour/ New Labour Have no legal Right
to call a election

Its Set in Stone

Feel The Force

Morally, this election should be brought forward, I am not backing away from what I thought as right as to Brown.
It would be very simple to repeal the fixed term parliament act anyway.

The Country should say now what govt and who it wants to do all these complex negotiations and dismantling of our 43 years in Europe.
No matter what govt the electorate may chooses, majority Conservative,labour or a coalition.

This would be more outrageous than going back on the EU vote if with all these changes and policy changes too,on top of the EU exit, the Country was now denied a voice in a general election with an unelected PM in place.

Whoever takes over will I feel sure face massive pressure to hold an early election as they have no mandate,if they don't that will turn to anger too and rightly so.
This is too long to the next election,almost a full term,this would be a PM acting on a major constitutional issue that affects across the whole UK who has not a bit of elected authority to do so.

[jaxie]

Morally, this election should be brought forward, I am not backing away from what I thought as right as to Brown.
It would be very simple to repeal the fixed term parliament act anyway.

The Country should say now what govt and who it wants to do all these complex negotiations and dismantling of our 43 years in Europe.
No matter what govt the electorate may chooses, majority Conservative,labour or a coalition.

This would be more outrageous than going back on the EU vote if with all these changes and policy changes too,on top of the EU exit, the Country was now denied a voice in a general election with an unelected PM in place.

Whoever takes over will I feel sure face massive pressure to hold an early election as they have no mandate,if they don't that will turn to anger too and rightly so.
This is too long to the next election,almost a full term,this would be a PM acting on a major constitutional issue that affects across the whole UK who has not a bit of elected authority to do so.

How can we possibly have a general election with both Labour and the Tories without any kind of leadership? Both sides need to sort their leadership and have a settling down period. :shrug:

[Tom4784]

Ideally they'd have an election next year. Give the Tories and Labour a chance to get their **** together and then let the public decide. An unelected PM should not remain in power for three years.

[Withano]

Johnson pulled out then? No surprise, even hes smart enough not to be the guy who pulls us out the EU

[Livia]

If I was a member of the Tory Party - and I'm not - there is not one of those five people for whom I would vote; I despise them all equally.

[jaxie]

I have a feeling whoever wins won't be PM for long but it might be better for the country if they are in for the duration of brexit, we really need the stability.

[Black Dagger]

May as I keep saying is the best of a scummy bunch.

[arista]

Morally, this election should be brought forward, I am not backing away from what I thought as right as to Brown.
It would be very simple to repeal the fixed term parliament act anyway.

The Country should say now what govt and who it wants to do all these complex negotiations and dismantling of our 43 years in Europe.
No matter what govt the electorate may chooses, majority Conservative,labour or a coalition.

This would be more outrageous than going back on the EU vote if with all these changes and policy changes too,on top of the EU exit, the Country was now denied a voice in a general election with an unelected PM in place.

Whoever takes over will I feel sure face massive pressure to hold an early election as they have no mandate,if they don't that will turn to anger too and rightly so.
This is too long to the next election,almost a full term,this would be a PM acting on a major constitutional issue that affects across the whole UK who has not a bit of elected authority to do so.


No after 2010 WIN
a New FIXED TERM came in

Its a Legal Thing


Conservatives have said
Date : May 2020 is our Next Election
this under Current Law
Joey

[arista]

Ideally they'd have an election next year. Give the Tories and Labour a chance to get their **** together and then let the public decide. An unelected PM should not remain in power for three years.


Under Our Current Law it will Dezzy

Its a Special Time

You and I will do well in it.


The Next New Conservative leader and New PM is on Sept the 9th

[Pete.]

Theresa even more

[Pete.]

https://s31.postimg.org/lm0ws5ae3/Cm_Mi_SFz_Wk_AAR6e_R.jpg

Denial is a step towards acceptance :fan:

He also voted against Same Sax Marriage

[MTVN]

Leadsom and Fox are the weak links - the other three are strong candidates. Everyone knows Gove is highly intelligent and incredibly driven, May is right that she's capable of taking over on day one and is the unity candidate, Crabb's background is as far from a typical Tory's as you can get and he can appeal beyond the party. I think any one of them would be a capable PM.

[Tom4784]

Denial is a step towards acceptance :fan:

He also voted against Same Sax Marriage

http://c.directlyrics.com/img/upload/fleur-east-sax-video.jpg

[joeysteele]

Ideally they'd have an election next year. Give the Tories and Labour a chance to get their **** together and then let the public decide. An unelected PM should not remain in power for three years.

Exactly, the Spring of next year would be fine and is easily achievable too.

No one should start the EU exit proceedings until a new mandate is given to one or more Parties to do so with their newly elected Party leaders.

What this exit does is change all for the UKs future, its citizens and also governments too.
No way with that chaos should a few hundred Conservative MPs and around 150,000 Conservative party members only make that choice.
No way,totally unacceptable in my view.

[reece(:]

Theresa still, Gove is poison

[EspeonBB]

None of the above

[Scarlett.]

Under Our Current Law it will Dezzy

Its a Special Time

You and I will do well in it.


The Next New Conservative leader and New PM is on Sept the 9th

So much for democracy, Cameron's second term was the first time we've had a majority win in an election since Blair's third term began (and even he left halfway through). It's so sad that we haven't had a PM who won by majority who stayed their full term since 2001. The coalition government was a mess as it was basically the Tories calling all the shots. We need an election next year, enough is enough.

For the interim period, I'd chose May, Gove is a despicable, backstabbing two timing piece of human trash, he's ****ed over the poor so much during his time. I never thought it was possible for anyone to be hated more than Thatcher, but all this game playing by the Tories has ****ed the UK up big time, all these dumb stupid power gambits have done nothing by stick it to the little man. Cameron, Johnson, Gove, **** right off.

[arista]

So much for democracy, Cameron's second term was the first time we've had a majority win in an election since Blair's third term began (and even he left halfway through). It's so sad that we haven't had a PM who won by majority who stayed their full term since 2001. The coalition government was a mess as it was basically the Tories calling all the shots. We need an election next year, enough is enough.

For the interim period, I'd chose May, Gove is a despicable, backstabbing two timing piece of human trash, he's ****ed over the poor so much during his time. I never thought it was possible for anyone to be hated more than Thatcher, but all this game playing by the Tories has ****ed the UK up big time, all these dumb stupid power gambits have done nothing by stick it to the little man. Cameron, Johnson, Gove, **** right off.



Chewy one word can change Everything
"Events"


Like 9/11
or Brexit

They are Events
that change everything

the Event of the 23rd Vote
changed Davids future.

But in a Legal term
he is Still the PM
Until the the New Lady takes over.

[arista]

I must say its So Spiffing that on QT (BBC1HD, Last Night)
so many used Game Of Thrones

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/6/30/475040/default/v1/metro-2-992x558.jpg
Today Friday 1st July Fantastic Free Paper
the Metro

[joeysteele]

Chewy one word can change Everything
"Events"


Like 9/11
or Brexit

They are Events
that change everything

the Event of the 23rd Vote
changed Davids future.

But in a Legal term
he is Still the PM
Until the the New Lady takes over.

Not so arista, the fixed term act gives a term of power to an elected PM and govt.

David Cameron was due to go likely in 2019,and then a new leader elected who would have held an election the following year.

This is major constitutional change leaving the EU, that will affect how even govts govern for decades to come,not just what the outcome will be for the UK and its citizens,just over a year in a change of Prime Minister too.

There is no way, this govt elected on a manifesto,who will now also be having policy changes to that manifesto, to take account of this new situation under a different PM.
It cannot be even possibly, never mind moralyl right, to deny the Country a new election to elect whatever make up of govt, they want to deal with this new situation.

No way,I really hope the pressure placed on whoever takes over to do so is given in to.
This govt is changing all ways almost fully,a new election is a must in this situation, in any form of democracy.
Really to deal with this exit from the EU, it should not even be just the govt that does this anyway, it should be all parties involved.

If not that, then a new election should be and is a must in my view.

[MTVN]

David Davis made the point though that Brexit is the outcome of a manifesto pledge by the government to hold an In-Out referendum this parliament so people were aware when they were electing the Conservatives that this was a possibility. I can't see there being the appetite for a general election amongst any of the main parties - the Conservatives don't want to risk their majority given how unpredictable the polls have become, Labour don't want to risk losing a lot of their seats given the state of their party, and the SNP don't want to risk their monopoly of power in Scotland. The Lib Dems would be the most enthusiastic for an election because they probably would make a fightback in the South-West where a lot of areas did have a Remain vote. I don't really think there's much appetite for a general election in the country either after the laborious EU referendum coming only a year after the last general election and inbetween that we have had local elections as well. People would probably rather a period of stability where the government could get on with business without everything being seen through the prism of another election or another load of endless promises on the campaign trail which never come to fruition.

[arista]

"If not that, then a new election should be and is a must in my view. "

Fact : Your View means nothing to THEM, Joey

Both GOVE and MAY
have confirmed No Election
Until 2020.

Suck It UP

[arista]

David Davis made the point though that Brexit is the outcome of a manifesto pledge by the government to hold an In-Out referendum this parliament so people were aware when they were electing the Conservatives that this was a possibility. I can't see there being the appetite for a general election amongst any of the main parties - the Conservatives don't want to risk their majority given how unpredictable the polls have become, Labour don't want to risk losing a lot of their seats given the state of their party, and the SNP don't want to risk their monopoly of power in Scotland. The Lib Dems would be the most enthusiastic for an election because they probably would make a fightback in the South-West where a lot of areas did have a Remain vote. I don't really think there's much appetite for a general election in the country either after the laborious EU referendum coming only a year after the last general election and inbetween that we have had local elections as well. People would probably rather a period of stability where the government could get on with business without everything being seen through the prism of another election or another load of endless promises on the campaign trail which never come to fruition.


Bang On Right MTVN

[joeysteele]

David Davis made the point though that Brexit is the outcome of a manifesto pledge by the government to hold an In-Out referendum this parliament so people were aware when they were electing the Conservatives that this was a possibility. I can't see there being the appetite for a general election amongst any of the main parties - the Conservatives don't want to risk their majority given how unpredictable the polls have become, Labour don't want to risk losing a lot of their seats given the state of their party, and the SNP don't want to risk their monopoly of power in Scotland. The Lib Dems would be the most enthusiastic for an election because they probably would make a fightback in the South-West where a lot of areas did have a Remain vote. I don't really think there's much appetite for a general election in the country either after the laborious EU referendum coming only a year after the last general election and inbetween that we have had local elections as well. People would probably rather a period of stability where the government could get on with business without everything being seen through the prism of another election or another load of endless promises on the campaign trail which never come to fruition.

That would have been fine if the govt had a plan for both scenarios of in and out, they did not,
They had no plan for out in their manifesto,

Also the manifesto stated negotiations would take place if the Conservatives got an overall majority and a referendum to be held by the end of 2017.

It is all done now just over a year in and there is no plan for exit.
In light of that, all parties should now present their plans for exit to the electorate and allow them to decide who deals with same.
Whether that be a majority Conservative govt,majority Labour or a coalition of 2 or even more parties.

It should not just now be an automatic carry on, tearing down the manifesto pledges,the planned surplus is now dropped from the manifesto too.

At the very least an election should be held next year,preferably in the Spring, when all parties can agree their positions on the exit strategy by then and have the electorate make their choice.
No way should the new PM be able to dismantle most of the manifesto and deal with the exit negotiations without their own mandate.

That is and should be outrageous.

[joeysteele]

Just a thought,if Gove wins this, will it be him or his wife calling the shots.
His words don't seem his own of late.
The hand gestures and pronounced wording seem staged.

[Alf]

Change the title from Gove to Leadsom, it will be the battle of the females for the next PM.

[Cal.]

Theresa May

[joeysteele]

I'd rather now Theresa May than Gove.
However she still should have a general election within a year in my view.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/7/1/475303/default/v0/i-front-with-slate-1-992x558.jpg

Yesterdays Front Page

[arista]

Just a thought,if Gove wins this, will it be him or his wife calling the shots.
His words don't seem his own of late.
The hand gestures and pronounced wording seem staged.

No Gove has gone off the Scale
Fading.


I will have to do another Vote thread (Number 3)
with the 2 Women , only.


Sign Of The Times

[Heaven = Winner]

Michael Gove ****ed me over in terms of grades (basically I had gotten mostly Bs and Cs in my GCSEs, but I got one A and that was in English Language. Turns out Gove thought the marking in that department was too "generous" in terms of that subject, so I ended up getting marked down to a B+ as a result), so my vote's definitely going to Theresa.

[arista]

Michael Gove ****ed me over in terms of grades (basically I had gotten mostly Bs and Cs in my GCSEs, but I got one A and that was in English Language. Turns out Gove thought the marking in that department was too "generous" in terms of that subject, so I ended up getting marked down to a B+ as a result), so my vote's definitely going to Theresa.


Its OK Gove is no longer
worth a bet

[Ammi]

..I guess that the irony of democracy in this and the leaving Europe vote/as voted for the people and by the people etc...is that the leader taking us forward as it were is not going to be democratically voted for...

[arista]

But Ammi

Fecking Blair did Just that
when he placed Brown as PM


So its what we have in England


In May Month of 2020
you get to vote
Conservative
Labour
New Labour
UKIP
Green

[arista]

and JUNCKER helped us
by saying No Deals until Contract 50
is handed in
I thank Him for that


So now it will be down to 2 Women Fighting to be PM
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303949
you pick one Ammi

[Ammi]

...it doesn't really change the thing that as a 'leading light in democracy' atm or whatever..our first big change will be to appoint a leader who hasn't been democratically voted for...a little bit of a mockery But Arista, baby...

[arista]

...it doesn't really change the thing that as a 'leading light in democracy' atm or whatever..our first big change will be to appoint a leader who hasn't been democratically voted for...a little bit of a mockery But Arista, baby...


1 . Democracy - 23rd June Vote - Event
2. Conservative MP's pick a New PM
3. May Month 2020 you Vote


Its that simple
I do hope you Educate your children at
your School

As its as simple as 1 , 2 , 3
baby

[Ammi]

...oh, we're just dipping our toes in that democracy then and baby steps through democracy school...we've had a little bit in 2016 and then we'll have another taster lesson in 2020 for a catch up and revision.../cool beans, Arista...

[arista]

...oh, we're just dipping our toes in that democracy then and baby steps through democracy school...we've had a little bit in 2016 and then we'll have another taster lesson in 2020 for a catch up and revision.../cool beans, Arista...



You need to Up You Game then
or I will Fly up there
and Show the younger kids
how great their Future will be
and give them all a Free MP3 Coin
size gadget

[arista]

Giving free gifts
makes them Learn Faster.

[arista]

http://www.dhresource.com/albu_839222458_00-1.600x600/no-memory-card-mp3-cd-mp3-cd-without-screen.jpg

[joeysteele]

But Ammi

Fecking Blair did Just that
when he placed Brown as PM


So its what we have in England


In May Month of 2020
you get to vote
Conservative
Labour
New Labour
UKIP
Green


Exactly the point, we had a PM who should not have been there in Brown as you with massive enthusiasm kept pointing out,and rightly.

Brown should not have maybe been there for when the financial crisis hit, someone else may have been if he had not got his own mandate.

This task of dismantling all the directives, rules and all things related to our 43 years in the EU is only the start of things.
They have to win new deals across the World and then also make sure we get the very best of deals still with the EU,

No way should any of that be undertaken until we have the electorate say which party or parties, and what leader should have the mandate to do that.

There should be an election in the Spring of next year,I think the pressure will force one too.
Anything done now by a new leader, tearing down the manifesto the govt got elected on and also starting to see through this almighty chaos there will be as to leaving the EU.
Now that would be the biggest affront to democracy.

The only way no election would be justified in my view,would be for the new PM to make this an all party policy as to leaving the EU,with the main parties and representatives of the other parties all working equally together on this,separate from the usual Govt business.

In other words a full coalition of all parties to see through only the full exit from the EU, for the full time it takes.
Making sure it is therefore done with authority and more democratically too.

[arista]

No the 5 Year Fixed Term Election
stays in place
Do not get in a tangle there Joey

[Ammi]

...you can't really show them a 'great future', Arista..that's something that they'll have to feel and experience themselves and hopefully they will../that would be the only right result ...actually just hold your flight for a little while because one of the big positives that has come out of the whole referendum process and a great thing is that according to the UEA..(and hopefully many unis..)...there has been a huge rise in the study of politics...some great young future politicians, which is always something that is needed, whatever the result and whatever the party, eh..


...anyways, I wish you good day sir, as I have to go start my day now...I hope that you have a lovely day..:love:..

[arista]

...you can't really show them a 'great future', Arista..that's something that they'll have to feel and experience themselves and hopefully they will../that would be the only right result ...actually just hold your flight for a little while because one of the big positives that has come out of the whole referendum process and a great thing is that according to the UEA..(and hopefully many unis..)...there has been a huge rise in the study of politics...some great young future politicians, which is always something that is needed, whatever the result and whatever the party, eh..


...anyways, I wish you good day sir, as I have to go start my day now...I hope that you have a lovely day..:love:..



Of Course

But its good to let them Aspire

[Ammi]

http://www.dhresource.com/albu_839222458_00-1.600x600/no-memory-card-mp3-cd-mp3-cd-without-screen.jpg

..if I were to give the children anything, it would be a British product and supporting British industry...and not a cheap export thing, Arista...which may or may not involve exploitation in the making of.../not a great choice for children especially, my friend...

[joeysteele]

No the 5 Year Fixed Term Election
stays in place
Do not get in a tangle there Joey

That can and you know it can be easily repealed in these circumstances arista.

They cannot hide behind that one,that was only to ensure to the Conservative/LibDem coalition lasted the course of 5 years.

It would take a small amount of time to repeal it.

However, there could be an election without it if the MPs decided to call one, the problem there is the oppositions would need 130 Conservative MPs to vote for one.
As 434 MPs have to support the calling of an election.

No tangle to get into arista for me, just right and what should be done.
No way can this new PM have a mandate or authority to see this massive constitutional change started and seen through, unless they get their own mandate or involve equally all parties in parliament in the full process.

Their mandate was only to hold a referendum, not deal with the consequences.
This is also not a legally binding referendum on the govt arista.

I would dare bet if this was Labour in govt at this time, you would now be screaming for a new election again too,as you did with Brown, with another change of PM while in office.
This would be worse than Brown as this govt is only just over a year into its term.

[arista]

Fixed Term
was set up
No one is standing behind it

Its Legal Tender

[joeysteele]

Fixed Term
was set up
No one is standing behind it

Its Legal Tender

How convenient, then never again with respect can or should Gordon Brown be termed as being an unelected PM as you have done so for years.
If this MP can be elected by Conservative MPs, Conservative party members but not have to seek the support of the wider electorate.

I said this last week and do so again,clearly then when it suits as to what party is in govt, 2 wrongs can and do in fact make a right.

I do not like UKIP for instance,however I, and indeed no one, can justifiably deny that UKIP and Farage were very instrumental in this campaign and indeed Farage more likely the one who made the referendum possible.
It is then now ridiculous that now in parliament for the probable full time of this dismantling of 43 years in the EU and the planning of trade deals, that only 1 single UKIP MP, is there to represent his party following this result, with no prospect of him being added to.

That is why another election is needed to get the full new framework of opinion as to this result,and what support there is for all the parties involved in this referendum campaign too,as to the best way forward.
That can only be done through a general election.

The whole temperature and status of the UK is going to change from this,an election at this time of chaos, far from making things worse, would actually more likely clear the air as to all, and get the right representation in parliament that the people want too, after their decision on this referendum.
Another 4 or 5 weeks of an election campaign are not going to make that much difference,in my opinion.

Also,if that even means many Labour seats fall to UKIP, if that means Conservative seats fall to UKIP, if that means a stronger Conservative govt, if that means we get a Labour led govt,even if it even means we get a Conservative/UKIP coalition,then so be it.
UKIP particularly ,in fairness to them,as one of the main advocates of this referendum and result, have also a right to be heard more as to it now as democratically elected MPs,if they do get more.

That will not happen with just the one single UKIP MP in Westminster,especially one who only gets booed by Conservative and some other MPs in Westminster too, when he speaks.

I have little time at all for UKIP but the House of Commons has to be updated as to representation of all parties after this referendum result.
How do you do that without an election.

So for me, only a general election can decide that new representative parliament for this massive task, it should not now be decided by just a Conservative party only leadership election.

[arista]

"indeed no one, can justifiably deny that UKIP and Farage
were very instrumental in this campaign
and indeed Farage more likely the one who made the referendum possible."

Yes a Doug is the one UKIP MP
he can voice his view

[arista]

Confirmed today on ITV1HD LIVE

Next Election is Month May 2020

I thank the Lady

[joeysteele]

Confirmed today on ITV1HD LIVE

Next Election is Month May 2020

I thank the Lady

That's what she says now arista, events as this referendum has shown can massively alter the course of what anyone hopes for or even says.
David Cameron was staying until at least 2019, he is going now.

I wouldn't be so sure this wrong act of saying no election until 2020 will be able to be so,when in fact an election may then have to be held at a time forced in 2020,when negotiations as to trading deals are at a critical point if it takes over 4 years or more.

[arista]

That's what she says now arista, events as this referendum has shown can massively alter the course of what anyone hopes for or even says.
David Cameron was staying until at least 2019, he is going now.

I wouldn't be so sure this wrong act of saying no election until 2020 will be able to be so,when in fact an election may then have to be held at a time forced in 2020,when negotiations as to trading deals are at a critical point if it takes over 4 years or more.


He is Going Now with Valid Reason
not a problem

The EU50 Contract is going ahead this year



Ref: ITV1HD

[Toy Soldier]

"Do you want Gove or May?" :joker:

"Oh Hello sir, welcome, on offer today we have a sloppy sh*t-sandwich or, if that doesn't tickle your fancy, we have an ice cream cone doused in pig cum. Bon appetite!"

[arista]

"Do you want Gove or May?" :joker:

"Oh Hello sir, welcome, on offer today we have a sloppy sh*t-sandwich or, if that doesn't tickle your fancy, we have an ice cream cone doused in pig cum. Bon appetite!"



Fantastic TS

[joeysteele]

He is Going Now with Valid Reason
not a problem

The EU50 Contract is going ahead this year



Ref: ITV1HD

The very same people going for his job,and now saying only someone on the side of leave should be PM, are the ones who signed a letter asking David Cameron to stay on and see this through.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

I almost honestly believe after this referendum result, that no party or person really wants to govern and certainly not in the National interest whoever does.

[Ammi]

..not sure if this has been posted ...

Theresa May has refused to rule out the deportation of EU nationals living in Britain after the country leaves the European Union, amid fears that guaranteeing their rights at this stage could lead to a “huge influx” of migrants during the Brexit negotiation phase.


http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/theresa-may-refuses-to-rule-out-deportation-of-eu-nationals-living-in-uk-amid-fears-of-%e2%80%98influx%e2%80%99-of-migrants/ar-AAi2xIi?ocid=spartandhp

...obviously there is the British nationals living in the EU as well.../..just a mess of uncertainty for people and the lives they have built...

[bots]

..not sure if this has been posted ...

Theresa May has refused to rule out the deportation of EU nationals living in Britain after the country leaves the European Union, amid fears that guaranteeing their rights at this stage could lead to a “huge influx” of migrants during the Brexit negotiation phase.


http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/theresa-may-refuses-to-rule-out-deportation-of-eu-nationals-living-in-uk-amid-fears-of-%e2%80%98influx%e2%80%99-of-migrants/ar-AAi2xIi?ocid=spartandhp

...obviously there is the British nationals living in the EU as well.../..just a mess of uncertainty for people and the lives they have built...

Its not so much that she wants immigrants to be deported, she just can't preempt negotiations as it ties our hands.

They are expecting a huge influx prior to any exit, so that has to be manged too.

[Cherie]

Hugely worrying time for non British residents, I'd like to think there would be an amnesty for those resident here at the time of the referendum, but who knows

[Toy Soldier]

Hugely worrying time for non British residents, I'd like to think there would be an amnesty for those resident here at the time of the referendum, but who knows
Exactly, this would be the most sensible solution. Rule out the deportation of anyone who was living and working in the UK at, say, the start of July 2016. Don't rule out the deportation of those who arrive after that time, but make it very clear that this is the case (so that anyone considering migrating here knows the situation before making that decision).

Outright refusing to rule it out is insane. There are people here who have been living here for decades... Many of them have lived in the UK for longer than they lived anywhere else. The UK is their country as much as it is for someone born here.

We have an English woman at work who turned 60 this year, she moved to Scotland when she was 15. She still has a sort of weird hybrid accent but as she's fond of telling younger customers who mention her Englishness; "I'm more Scottish than you are, I've lived here longer!"

[joeysteele]

Hugely worrying time for non British residents, I'd like to think there would be an amnesty for those resident here at the time of the referendum, but who knows

There are a lot of people worried Cherie and that is bad in any scenario.

[MTVN]

Think arista is going to need to do a third poll the way its going, Leadsom looking more likely than Gove to face off against May

[Mystic Mock]

I've got to be honest I don't know as May's too authoritarian for my tastes.

And Gove is a complete clown across the board who's been setup by the right wing media into making Boris a "victim."

[Mystic Mock]

Let's never let this man lead us :bored:

https://s31.postimg.org/lm0ws5ae3/Cm_Mi_SFz_Wk_AAR6e_R.jpg

If it's the will of the people and the Tories then we can't protest it apparently.

But yeah I agree with you really, I don't want another group being attacked by the Media just to deflect away from the poor leadership that this country is receiving.

[Mystic Mock]

How can we possibly have a general election with both Labour and the Tories without any kind of leadership? Both sides need to sort their leadership and have a settling down period. :shrug:

Once they've both got their leaders in place they should then plan to do a GE within a year.

[joeysteele]

Once they've both got their leaders in place they should then plan to do a GE within a year.

Absolutely right,

They all have to get sorted out for the local elections next May Mock, there is no reason why a general election could not be fought at the same time and voting on the same day too.

Hardly any disruption, as if any disruption could be as bad as things are now.

[kirklancaster]

Before any General Election it is time for Electoral Reform and Proportional Representation.

Ukip has ONE MP, but was the 3rd largest party with 12.6% of votes cast, and came second in 118 of the 650 parliamentary seats.

Britains TRUE political landscape under the more democratic PR would have seen UKIP with 82 seats and Cameron's team losing 90 seats.

Where would the Tory majority have been then?

And only the most bigotted of anti-Farage people would say that a Tory/UKIP Coalition would NOT have been better for this country than the Tory Majority which allowed them 'free rein' with some of the most damaging policies for the working classes yet seen in the UK.

Say what you will about Farage, but his track record SHOWS that he cannot be bought and he would have done what the Lib Dem's failed to do - and that is; put a brake on the most unfair and radical of Cam's policies.

Electoral Reform is overdue.

[joeysteele]

Before any General Election it is time for Electoral Reform and Proportional Representation.

Ukip has ONE MP, but was the 3rd largest party with 12.6% of votes cast, and came second in 118 of the 650 parliamentary seats.

Britains TRUE political landscape under the more democratic PR would have seen UKIP with 82 seats and Cameron's team losing 90 seats.

Where would the Tory majority have been then?

And only the most bigotted of anti-Farage people would say that a Tory/UKIP Coalition would NOT have been better for this country than the Tory Majority which allowed them 'free rein' with some of the most damaging policies for the working classes yet seen in the UK.

Say what you will about Farage, but his track record SHOWS that he cannot be bought and he would have done what the Lib Dem's failed to do - and that is; put a brake on the most unfair and radical of Cam's policies.

Electoral Reform is overdue.

Actually as to that whole post I agree with you, and on the figures,it would have bee more likely to have a Conservative/UKIP coalition, I also agree that would have been considerably better than what we have now.

I am a newer advocate of electoral reform over recent years but have come to the belief it is time, with both major parties, getting easily under 40% of the votes cast now, that it is ridiculous a party can govern unfettered with only around 37% at best of the votes cast in an election.

I think pr would make for better policies,more inclusive govt and far better representative govt too.
Labour have flirted with changing the electoral system but never actually got round to it, although had the Lib Dems tried to do a deal with Labour in 2010,maybe they could have forced their hand more as to it, at least to a referendum on it, not AV that would not alter much,a proper pr system.

However now,I cannot see the Conservative party ever being persuaded to change the voting system ever.
I think their MPs would always vote it down.

I said this earlier,that no on can deny Farage and UKIP played their role in this referendum,I never agreed with their stance but they played their part.
It is now then shocking in my view that the house of commons make up stays the same with all the work and negotiations to be done as to leaving the EU.

On all of it going on with no election held, there will certainly only be a single UKIP party MP with a vote in parliament for all of that going on,if this new PM fails to have an election.

What is now needed is a new election,and I say this again too,even if that means Labour seats do fall to UKIP,Conservative seats fall to UKIP, whether it results in a Conservative majority govt or a Labour led one,or finally a Conservative UKIP coalition govt. 'so be it'

The voters should now be given the right to decide not only who but what make up of govt is elected to see all this through now.

Labour is one of the main parties I hope will come to the idea that pr is the way forward now, all would be in their hands and all other parties hands too to ensure they had the policies that are right for the Country as a whole and also probably more consensus policies too..

The SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens,Lib Dems and UKIP are all parties that could support pr, also the N Irish parties too.
It cannot be permitted that parties can govern as Tony Blair did and Brown with only 35% of the votes cast from 2005 to 2010,then this govt now with 36.8% of the votes cast to govern from 2015 to 2020.

It is now going to be in 2020,19 years since any party got over 40% of the votes cast to govern in a general election, that is to me anyway, and I think should be totally unacceptable now.

[kirklancaster]

Actually as to that whole post I agree with you, and on the figures,it would have bee more likely to have a Conservative/UKIP coalition, I also agree that would have been considerably better than what we have now.

I am a newer advocate of electoral reform over recent years but have come to the belief it is time, with both major parties, getting easily under 40% of the votes cast now, that it is ridiculous a party can govern unfettered with only around 37% at best of the votes cast in an election.

I think pr would make for better policies,more inclusive govt and far better representative govt too.
Labour have flirted with changing the electoral system but never actually got round to it, although had the Lib Dems tried to do a deal with Labour in 2010,maybe they could have forced their hand more as to it, at least to a referendum on it, not AV that would not alter much,a proper pr system.

However now,I cannot see the Conservative party ever being persuaded to change the voting system ever.
I think their MPs would always vote it down.

I said this earlier,that no on can deny Farage and UKIP played their role in this referendum,I never agreed with their stance but they played their part.
It is now then shocking in my view that the house of commons make up stays the same with all the work and negotiations to be done as to leaving the EU.

On all of it going on with no election held, there will certainly only be a single UKIP party MP with a vote in parliament for all of that going on,if this new PM fails to have an election.

What is now needed is a new election,and I say this again too,even if that means Labour seats do fall to UKIP,Conservative seats fall to UKIP, whether it results in a Conservative majority govt or a Labour led one,or finally a Conservative UKIP coalition govt. 'so be it'

The voters should now be given the right to decide not only who but what make up of govt is elected to see all this through now.

Labour is one of the main parties I hope will come to the idea that pr is the way forward now, all would be in their hands and all other parties hands too to ensure they had the policies that are right for the Country as a whole and also probably more consensus policies too..

The SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens,Lib Dems and UKIP are all parties that could support pr, also the N Irish parties too.
It cannot be permitted that parties can govern as Tony Blair did and Brown with only 35% of the votes cast from 2005 to 2010,then this govt now with 36.8% of the votes cast to govern from 2015 to 2020.

It is now going to be in 2020,19 years since any party got over 40% of the votes cast to govern in a general election, that is to me anyway, and I think should be totally unacceptable now.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: A GREAT post Joey.