Corbyn: Now he has upset Jewish people and Israel!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh oh Jezzer now putting the Jews of Israel in with ISIS now

:omgno:

http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.728109.1467287615!/image/247679966.jpg_gen/derivatives/headline_857x482/247679966.jpg


British opposition leader's made comments at presentation of report clearing Labour of anti-Semitism following forced ousters of party figures accused of slurring either Jews or Israel.

British Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn drew an odd parallel on Thursday between Israel and the Islamic State terror group at the launch of a report which cleared his party of accusations of being tainted by anti-Semitism, U.K. reports said.

"Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel than our Muslim friends are for the self-styled Islamic State," Corbyn told party members.

A Jewish Labour lawmaker, Ruth Smeeth, fled the news conference in tears after he spoke, the Jewish Chronicle said.

Corbyn went on to say: "Nor should Muslims be regarded as sexist, anti-Semitic or otherwise suspect, as has become an ugly Islamophobic norm. We judge people on their individual values and actions, not en masse.


read more: http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.728091

[Tom4784]

He made a fair point, I'm not going to be surprised if the media twist it though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lord Sacks, the former Chief Rabbi has waded into Labour's antisemitism row by releasing a statement on his website in which he accused the Labour leader's of "comparison of the State of Israel to ISIS" at Labour's unveiling of its antisemitism report as a "demonisation of the highest order, an outrage and unacceptable".

The former Chief Rabbi who now sits as a Crossbencher in The House of Lords added: "That this occurred at the launch of the report into the Labour Party’s recent troubles with antisemitism shows how deep the sickness is in parts of left of British politics today.

"Israel is a democratic state with an independent judiciary, a free press and a diverse population of many cultures, religions and creeds.

"ISIS is a terrorist entity whose barbarities have been condemned by all those who value our common humanity. In the current political climate, when hate crimes are rising and political rhetoric is increasingly divisive, this is all the more shocking".

source: telegraph

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-antisemitism-jeremy-corbyn-ruth-smeeth-jewish-mp-accused-of-colluding-with-media-a7111061.html

Jewish woman left in tears after being verbally attacked

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"But a man handing out leaflets linked to Momentum, an activist group that supports Mr Corbyn, then verbally attacked Ruth Smeeth. Ms Smeeth said she was “verbally attacked” and accused of being part of a media conspiracy.

It is beyond belief that someone could come to the launch of a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party and espouse such vile conspiracy theories about Jewish people, which were ironically highlighted as such in Ms Chakrabarti's report, while the leader of my own party stood by and did absolutely nothing,” she added.

“People like this have no place in our party or our movement and must be opposed.”

The MP called for Mr Corbyn to resign after the incident, saying he failed to intervene."


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[arista]

YES LT
but its under the Boris News
so he may get away with it

[arista]

He made a fair point, I'm not going to be surprised if the media twist it though.


He attacked the PM of Israel
Dezzy


I heard it clear on LBC Radio

[kirklancaster]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-antisemitism-jeremy-corbyn-ruth-smeeth-jewish-mp-accused-of-colluding-with-media-a7111061.html

Jewish woman left in tears after being verbally attacked

:sad:


"But a man handing out leaflets linked to Momentum, an activist group that supports Mr Corbyn, then verbally attacked Ruth Smeeth. Ms Smeeth said she was “verbally attacked” and accused of being part of a media conspiracy.

It is beyond belief that someone could come to the launch of a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party and espouse such vile conspiracy theories about Jewish people, which were ironically highlighted as such in Ms Chakrabarti's report, while the leader of my own party stood by and did absolutely nothing,” she added.

“People like this have no place in our party or our movement and must be opposed.”

The MP called for Mr Corbyn to resign after the incident, saying he failed to intervene."


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And I was beginning to feel sorry for the anti-semitic, ISIS ass-rimming fecking embarrasment. The sooner he disappears from public life the better. Unelectable? He's fecking Unbearable.

[Cherie]

Seems very timely all this :suspect: let's get back to discussing the imploding Tories

[Tom4784]

He attacked the PM of Israel
Dezzy


I heard it clear on LBC Radio

So? Both the leadership of Isreal and Palestine are woeful and have sacrificed the lives of their citizens for a pointless conflict. I don't blame Corbyn for feeling more sympathy for Palestine since it's their citizens that have paid the heaviest price.

[Tom4784]

And I was beginning to feel sorry for the anti-semitic, ISIS ass-rimming fecking embarrasment. The sooner he disappears from public life the better. Unelectable? He's fecking Unbearable.

It's disgusting to accuse someone of being a terrorist sympathiser just because you don't agree with their opinion, Kirk.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Seems very timely all this :suspect: let's get back to discussing the imploding Tories

There is always time for the extreme left wing to compare the only democratic country in the middle east to a murdering, gay hating, west hating beheading death squad bunch of loonies that is IS

[Livia]

Corbyn hates Israel but has always been a great supporter of Hamas. I'd think he has enough sh1t to deal with already, maybe he should deal with that rather than stirring up extra sh1t.

[the truth]

hes said nothing wrong there

[kirklancaster]

There is always time for the extreme left wing to compare the only democratic country in the middle east to a murdering, gay hating, west hating beheading death squad bunch of loonies that is IS

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[the truth]

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

he didnt directly compare. he simply stated you cant tar everyone with the same brush. would I have chosen his analogy? nope. but the gist of what he is saying is not anti semitic imo

[Cherie]

he didnt directly compare. he simply stated you cant tar everyone with the same brush. would I have chosen his analogy? nope. but the gist of what he is saying is not anti semitic imo

That's what I read also, and I don't support Labour

[bots]

one has to remember that his speeches are prepared in advance and scrutinised for meaning. He knew what he was suggesting only too well.

[Liberty4eva]

I know where he's coming from when he says this. ISIS kills people. Israel kills people. I suppose you could argue that the other side fired first but Israel doesn't help the situation at all by building settlements. It's like Israel is poking and prodding a snake and then claims being attacked when the snake turns around and gives them a bite. And Muslims are not the only ones who use terrorism. If a soldier does things that terrorize a people, how is this not terrorism? People forget that it was Jewish terrorists (not Muslims) that got Britain to leave the land in the 40s.

I think this labor leader has guts and I hope people listen to him.

[the truth]

That's what I read also, and I don't support Labour

what happened was a man of arabian descent then said something like the mp in the crowd was working with the media and she is jewish so she took offence and stormed out. but what corbyn said imo was not remotely racist

[joeysteele]

he didnt directly compare. he simply stated you cant tar everyone with the same brush. would I have chosen his analogy? nope. but the gist of what he is saying is not anti semitic imo

I agree with you,I am one who thinks people have to now choose their wording carefully but I cannot see any real or meant offence from him here.
I am of the left and we were branded red Nazis for goodness sake.

I have Jewish friends who admittedly don't care for Corbyn but neither can they see any offence here oddly enough, and they raised another good point,
A view that were the Archbishop of Canterbury to make any political statements he gets told not to meddle in issues,yet this is twice now that the Chief Rabbi has made attacks on Labour and Corbyn publicly

Maybe it would not be too surprising then to wonder just where and from who the real prejudice may be, even if there is any in the first place, which I think and hope there is not.

[user104658]

Whizzzzz wheeeeee bang bang bang look over here everyone *streamers* *fireworks* important stuff over here forget about our imploding government brrrzzzzztttt look a badger with a gun omg omg omg.

[Shaun]

Who hasn't?

[Johnnyuk123]

And Labour wonders why no one votes for them.:shrug:

[Johnnyuk123]

It's disgusting to accuse someone of being a terrorist sympathiser just because you don't agree with their opinion, Kirk.

But didn't you accuse 17 million people who voted to leave the EU to be morons?

[MTVN]

To make a comment like that, on an occasion like that, at a time like this, is at worst inflammatory and at best shows a shocking lack of judgement

[DemolitionRed]

I know where he's coming from when he says this. ISIS kills people. Israel kills people. I suppose you could argue that the other side fired first but Israel doesn't help the situation at all by building settlements. It's like Israel is poking and prodding a snake and then claims being attacked when the snake turns around and gives them a bite. And Muslims are not the only ones who use terrorism. If a soldier does things that terrorize a people, how is this not terrorism? People forget that it was Jewish terrorists (not Muslims) that got Britain to leave the land in the 40s.

I think this labor leader has guts and I hope people listen to him.

I agree but here in the UK we aren't allowed to speak badly of Israel.

[joeysteele]

I agree but here in the UK we aren't allowed to speak badly of Israel.

I am a supporter of Israel but I agree with you DemRed, it does seem criticism of Israel is not permissible now,all have to tread on eggshells as to what is said.

However the chief Rabbi can slate Labour, a whole party.

Then also it is in order for some to generally call people on the left of politics all sorts of truly horrible and prejudiced names.

[the truth]

I am a supporter of Israel but I agree with you DemRed, it does seem criticism of Israel is not permissible now,all have to tread on eggshells as to what is said.

However the chief Rabbi can slate Labour, a whole party.

Then also it is in order for some to generally call people on the left of politics all sorts of truly horrible and prejudiced names.

The way Israel has behaved over many decades has often been disgraceful , brutal, cruel and illegal. Some one could argue they are under constant attack , but they have weaponry 10000 times that of their opponents and have enormous backing from the US. This power has been abused on a massive scale imo

[Crimson Dynamo]

The way Israel has behaved over many decades has often been disgraceful , brutal, cruel and illegal. Some one could argue they are under constant attack , but they have weaponry 10000 times that of their opponents and have enormous backing from the US. This power has been abused on a massive scale imo

So comparing them to isis by the UK leader of the Labour Party is ok?

It's a disgusting comparison by a dead man walking.

Shameful

[the truth]

So comparing them to isis by the UK leader of the Labour Party is ok?

It's a disgusting comparison by a dead man walking.

Shameful

he didnt compare them, he said we shouldnt tar everyone with the same brush just because of extremists.

[kirklancaster]

To make a comment like that, on an occasion like that, at a time like this, is at worst inflammatory and at best shows a shocking lack of judgement

:clap1::clap1::clap1: He is a political liability and embarrassment.

[Kizzy]

As misquotes go this is a corker, nice try press keep up the rubbish biased work.

[joeysteele]

he didnt compare them, he said we shouldnt tar everyone with the same brush just because of extremists.

That is exactly what he was inferring, nothing else,you are spot on.
However like all else,if anyone can find even the smallest of nails to hammer into Corbyn, it will be driven in to its greatest effect.

I really am fed up of this witchhunt and hounding of one man,maybe I would prefer a new Labour leader myself but this really looks a disgrace as to how a major political party is acting now.

Amazing again I say, how he dare not it seems, even say anything about Israel but the Chief Rabbi,who really should keep quiet in my view and stop inflaming things as he has done twice in the last year now,,can virtually write off a whole party.

It is getting ridiculous how almost everyone dare not even say anything now,even when it is not meant offensively such as this comment from Corbyn.

For goodness sake, I have Jewish friends, they were not offended at all by this, in fact they moan at Israel more than most.

[y.winter]

Oh well...

Good luck for Britain. Slowly Europe will understand that 100% PC policy won't get them anywhere with ISIS.

[DemolitionRed]

So comparing them to isis by the UK leader of the Labour Party is ok?

It's a disgusting comparison by a dead man walking.

Shameful

How can you twist Corbyn’s words to come out with that conclusion?

Come on LT, you hate the very ground he walks on. You are happy to be influenced by others who demonize him.

[DemolitionRed]

That is exactly what he was inferring, nothing else,you are spot on.
However like all else,if anyone can find even the smallest of nails to hammer into Corbyn, it will be driven in to its greatest effect.

I really am fed up of this witchhunt and hounding of one man,maybe I would prefer a new Labour leader myself but this really looks a disgrace as to how a major political party is acting now.

Amazing again I say, how he dare not it seems, even say anything about Israel but the Chief Rabbi,who really should keep quiet in my view and stop inflaming things as he has done twice in the last year now,,can virtually write off a whole party.

It is getting ridiculous how almost everyone dare not even say anything now,even when it is not meant offensively such as this comment from Corbyn.

For goodness sake, I have Jewish friends, they were not offended at all by this, in fact they moan at Israel more than most.

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[arista]

"For goodness sake, I have Jewish friends, they were not offended at all by this"

How Nice Joey

[letmein]

Corbyn has always been an antisemite who hates his own country.

[kirklancaster]

That is exactly what he was inferring, nothing else,you are spot on.
However like all else,if anyone can find even the smallest of nails to hammer into Corbyn, it will be driven in to its greatest effect.

I really am fed up of this witchhunt and hounding of one man,maybe I would prefer a new Labour leader myself but this really looks a disgrace as to how a major political party is acting now.

Amazing again I say, how he dare not it seems, even say anything about Israel but the Chief Rabbi,who really should keep quiet in my view and stop inflaming things as he has done twice in the last year now,,can virtually write off a whole party.

It is getting ridiculous how almost everyone dare not even say anything now,even when it is not meant offensively such as this comment from Corbyn.

For goodness sake, I have Jewish friends, they were not offended at all by this, in fact they moan at Israel more than most.

I LOVE Israel, and I too have Jewish friends, but I'm not Jewish - guess you could call me a 'GOY BOY' :hee: - but both my Jewish friends and I, DO find offense in parts of Corbyn's statement.

By implication, Corbyn's phrasing leaves no doubt that he is 'indicting' Israel and Netanyahu's Government of 'something', and also 'condemning' their actions, and though he never elaborates as to just WHAT this 'something' is or just WHY he is indicting Israel and Netanyahu's Government, Corbyn's use of 'self styled Islamic states or 'organisations' as a comparator, coupled with his long established support and empathy for Hamas and other terrorist organisations, renders it perfectly clear that he WAS being slyly antisemitic.

As the the part of your post which I have emboldened, perhaps some sympathy might be forthcoming now for all of us who dared to broach our concerns about 'unfettered and unvetted immigration, and were EVERY TIME - wrongly and unfairly lambasted as xenophobic or racist for our efforts.

[user104658]

As the the part of your post which I have emboldened, perhaps some sympathy might be forthcoming now for all of us who dared to broach our concerns about 'unfettered and unvetted immigration, and were EVERY TIME - wrongly and unfairly lambasted as xenophobic or racist for our efforts.

You do have a selective memory sometimes Kirk, or at least a tendency to cherry pick. I can't think of any time on here that you've been lambasted as xenophobic PURELY for expressing concerns over immigration. I do, for example, specifically recall calling you xenophobic for claiming that Middle Eastern people are more likely to become terrorists because they are genetically predisposed to aggression, violence and warmongering, with it being "in their DNA" after thousands of years. Little things like that are what have lead to the overall impression. Not immigration concerns.

[kirklancaster]

You do have a selective memory sometimes Kirk, or at least a tendency to cherry pick. I can't think of any time on here that you've been lambasted as xenophobic PURELY for expressing concerns over immigration. I do, for example, specifically recall calling you xenophobic for claiming that Middle Eastern people are more likely to become terrorists because they are genetically predisposed to aggression, violence and warmongering, with it being "in their DNA" after thousands of years. Little things like that are what have lead to the overall impression. Not immigration concerns.

Not so T.S. I am among a few members on here who have beem labelled xenophobic and racist for my views on immigration, but even if it was true (which it is not) then my 'selective memory' dovetails oh so neatly with other members on here who 'cherry pick' and also often contradict themselves.

[user104658]

Not so T.S. I am among a few members on here who have beem labelled xenophobic and racist for my views on immigration, but even if it was true (which it is not) then my 'selective memory' dovetails oh so neatly with other members on here who 'cherry pick' and also often contradict themselves.
I maintain that a lot of it comes down to how you state the opinion, rather than the opinion itself... But the rest is true enough I suppose :hee:

[joeysteele]

I LOVE Israel, and I too have Jewish friends, but I'm not Jewish - guess you could call me a 'GOY BOY' :hee: - but both my Jewish friends and I, DO find offense in parts of Corbyn's statement.

By implication, Corbyn's phrasing leaves no doubt that he is 'indicting' Israel and Netanyahu's Government of 'something', and also 'condemning' their actions, and though he never elaborates as to just WHAT this 'something' is or just WHY he is indicting Israel and Netanyahu's Government, Corbyn's use of 'self styled Islamic states or 'organisations' as a comparator, coupled with his long established support and empathy for Hamas and other terrorist organisations, renders it perfectly clear that he WAS being slyly antisemitic.

As the the part of your post which I have emboldened, perhaps some sympathy might be forthcoming now for all of us who dared to broach our concerns about 'unfettered and unvetted immigration, and were EVERY TIME - wrongly and unfairly lambasted as xenophobic or racist for our efforts.



That is only your view, not fact, so accusing him of that should be wrong in my view and that is also is in fact inflammatory terminology.

Clearly you have different Jewish friends to me, I spend a lot of time with them and they do not like Corbyn at all but they saw no wrong in this statement,in fact they go further, they actually have said for many years I ahve known them, Jewish people generally should not be tarnished with the actions of the Israeli govt.

Frankly,I support Israel and always have done, on here and off here, so please don't presume to even try to lecture me on this issue just because you have Jewish friends who think what he said offensive.
My Jewish friends are no less equal as to views than yours.

However when I talk to people as to Corbyn, I come from the angle of not blaming him for everything and I do not see him as any terrorist sympathiser either.
Oddly enough,seemingly coming from that non prejudicial view of him, in that I do not find the hostility to him that you and your friends appear to have.

[kirklancaster]

That is only your view, not fact, so accusing him of that should be wrong in my view and that is also is in fact inflammatory terminology.

Clearly you have different Jewish friends to me, I spend a lot of time with them and they do not like Corbyn at all but they saw no wrong in this statement,in fact they go further, they actually have said for many years I ahve known them, Jewish people generally should not be tarnished with the actions of the Israeli govt.

Frankly,I support Israel and always have done, on here and off here, so please don't presume to even try to lecture me on this issue just because you have Jewish friends who think what he said offensive.
My Jewish friends are no less equal as to views than yours.

However when I talk to people as to Corbyn, I come from the angle of not blaming him for everything and I do not see him as any terrorist sympathiser either.
Oddly enough,seemingly coming from that non prejudicial view of him, in that I do not find the hostility to him that you and your friends appear to have.

You are over-reacting Joey. I am posting MY view just as you post yours, and NOWHERE in my post do I 'lecture you' OR claim that my 'Jewish friends' are more 'equal ' than your 'Jewish friends -- even TYPING that seems so infantile. :shrug:

Of course it is 'my view' because it is me posting what I THINK - that being so, and in the absence of any claim by me in my post that I am posting 'FACT', then your opening statement is redundant.

It is also WRONG, because there is nothing in my post that could be construed as 'inflammatory terminology' - especially when compared to what Corby said.

Incidentally, I am not one of those people - the majority on her I feel - who blindly accepts a premise that Israel is at FAULT for what is occurring in that region, because the TRUTH is very complex and I could fill 15 threads on here about what I know from DECADES of research on Israel.

Just yesterday, a 13 year old Israeli girl - an American Citizen - was stabbed to death by a Palestinian as she slept in her own bedroom.

We are all entitled to our opinions.

[the truth]

You are over-reacting Joey. I am posting MY view just as you post yours, and NOWHERE in my post do I 'lecture you' OR claim that my 'Jewish friends' are more 'equal ' than your 'Jewish friends -- even TYPING that seems so infantile. :shrug:

Of course it is 'my view' because it is me posting what I THINK - that being so, and in the absence of any claim by me in my post that I am posting 'FACT', then your opening statement is redundant.

It is also WRONG, because there is nothing in my post that could be construed as 'inflammatory terminology' - especially whe compared to what Corby said.

We are all entitled to our opinions.
im partly jewish and i cant find a single thing that remotely offends me about what corbyn said, this is absolute nonsense just to bring the man down

[joeysteele]

You are over-reacting Joey. I am posting MY view just as you post yours, and NOWHERE in my post do I 'lecture you' OR claim that my 'Jewish friends' are more 'equal ' than your 'Jewish friends -- even TYPING that seems so infantile. :shrug:

Of course it is 'my view' because it is me posting what I THINK - that being so, and in the absence of any claim by me in my post that I am posting 'FACT', then your opening statement is redundant.

It is also WRONG, because there is nothing in my post that could be construed as 'inflammatory terminology' - especially whe compared to what Corby said.

We are all entitled to our opinions.

You directly accused him of being slyly antisemitic, accusing anyone of being that with no real proof, is inflammatory in my book, with all the danger that could then promote against that individual or even agsinst groups of people deemed so. just as people calling those on the left red nazis, not you, that is way out of line too.

We have seen enough in this EU campaign to see what problems and dangers inflammatory language can bring about.

If people need to be very careful what wording they use as to bringing Israel into play, then equally people should guard their tongues before accusing anyone of being antisemitic, Jewish haters or nazi's just for their political leanings.

[kirklancaster]

im partly jewish and i cant find a single thing that remotely offends me about what corbyn said, this is absolute nonsense just to bring the man down

I have no problem with that, The Truth - it is YOUR opinion based upon your INTERPRETATION - and that is how it should be.

My opinion, based upon my interpretation, is different.

[the truth]

I have no problem with that, The Truth - it is YOUR opinion based upon your INTERPRETATION - and that is how it should be.

My opinion, based upon my interpretation, is different.

are you calling corbyn racist?

[y.winter]

I'm Jewish ("by the book", though actually atheist) and Israeli and I find this whole thing laughable, honestly.
UK should take care of its immigration issues, instead of arguing about what Israel and ISIS stand for. It's ISIS who uses it as an advantage, not Israel.

[kirklancaster]

You directly accused him of being slyly antisemitic, accusing anyone of being that with no real proof, is inflammatory in my book, with all the danger that could then promote against that individual or even agsinst groups of people deemed so. just as people calling those on the left red nazis, not you, that is way out of line too.

We have seen enough in this EU campaign to see what problems and dangers inflammatory language can bring about.

If people need to be very careful what wording they use as to bringing Israel into play, then equally people should guard their tongues before accusing anyone of being antisemitic, Jewish haters or nazi's just for their political leanings.

I reached a verdict that Corbyn was being 'slyly antisemitic' based upon my knowledge of the English language and my knowledge of Corbyn's antecedents, and my intelligence.

I have written speeches for public figures and public bodies, and I know the effectiveness of utilising 'emotive' words to subliminely influence the reader, and in what we call the 'Acorn effect' - planting a verbal or written 'acorn' in the mind of an audience so that subsequently and subconciously, it grows into an oak tree.

There is also no NEED to actually write or say the actual seed words - just implication is enough, in circumstances where uttering the seed words may be too imflammatory and lead to recrimination.

Corbyn's phraseology was ultra transparent to all but his most avid supporters - of which, I am not one.

I am amused how you accuse me of being 'imflammatory' because I post my reasoned opinion on what Corbyn said and meant to say, but you are in a state of total denial - as is your right - when it comes to Corbyn being 'offensive', or indeed imflammatory in what he said.

We are all entitled to our opinions.

[kirklancaster]

are you calling corbyn racist?

:facepalm: Truth - I have supported you on here many times when your views have not been popular, and I did so because I thought you were correct in those views.

I am THE fairest member on Tibb when it comes to not bearing grudges, being civil, and applauding posts WHERE I feel that what the writers says has merit - even if that writer is emphatically opposed to my own personal viewpoint or has not got a particularly 'friendly' disposition towards me.

I am straight, honest, and mean what I say and say what I mean - often to my detriment.

If I felt that Corbyn was outright RACIST I would SAY SO.

He is ANTISEMITIC and PRO-HAMAS - in my opinion - and THAT is what I said.

I hope this clears things up for you.

[user104658]

I am THE fairest member on Tibb when it comes to not bearing grudges, being civil, and applauding posts WHERE I feel that what the writers says has merit - even if that writer is emphatically opposed to my own personal viewpoint or has not got a particularly 'friendly' disposition towards me.

I am straight, honest, and mean what I say and say what I mean - often to my detriment.

Also muscular, well-endowed and humble to a fault.

[Livia]

I'm Jewish ("by the book", though actually atheist) and Israeli and I find this whole thing laughable, honestly.
UK should take care of its immigration issues, instead of arguing about what Israel and ISIS stand for. It's ISIS who uses it as an advantage, not Israel.

How very true, ywinter. It's great to have an Israeli member here at last, there are so many opinions from people who know no more about Israel than they read in the tabloids and yet rabidly applaud criticism of, and action against it. And yes, you'd have thought Corbyn had bigger fish to fry right here in his own back yard.

[user104658]

How very true, ywinter. It's great to have an Israeli member here at last, there are so many opinions from people who know no more about Israel than they read in the tabloids and yet rabidly applaud criticism of, and action against it..

Come on Livia, you can apply that statement to the vast majority of topics discussed here...

[Johnnyuk123]

I believe that Jeremy Corbyn does sympathize with terrorists.

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-news/night-jeremy-corbyn-stood-in-honour-of-dead-ira-terrorists-1-7008757

[Livia]

Come on Livia, you can apply that statement to the vast majority of topics discussed here...

TS, dismissing my post.

Situation normal.

[user104658]

TS, dismissing my post.

Situation normal.
I'm not dismissing it, I'm not saying you're wrong, or that it's OK, I'm saying that it's pretty much standard. Tabloid opinions are rattles off like facts, about everything.

[Livia]

I'm not dismissing it, I'm not saying you're wrong, or that it's OK, I'm saying that it's pretty much standard. Tabloid opinions are rattles off like facts, about everything.

Actually, I like to think there are members on here who actually know some stuff about topics, who take the trouble to look beyond the headlines. But it's not always easy to see the other side once you've made up your mind.

Anyhoo, I'm not about to get involved in an Israel discussion.

[kirklancaster]

Also muscular, well-endowed and humble to a fault.

Ah.... but you forgot extremely amusing, a raconteur, multi talented artist, sculptor, writer and poet, builder, and philosopher, handsome beyond your wildest dreams, and a very well practiced and accomplished lover.

THE REST OF MY GOD-GIVEN ATTRIBUTES, WE WILL LEAVE UNTIL TIME AND SPACE PERMITS.

I think that is just WHY I do not subscribe to all the knee-trembling, Teddy-Clutching, apolpolyptic wailing at the predictable, short-term post-Brexit reactions of the Stock Market, Sterling etc - because I am a confident person and a fighter and PROUD to be BRITISH.

Oh, but you actually forgot to mention whether I was telling the truth in my post?

[user104658]

Actually, I like to think there are members on here who actually know some stuff about topics, who take the trouble to look beyond the headlines. But it's not always easy to see the other side once you've made up your mind.
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There are, but all you said was that there are "too many" tabloid based opinions on Israel floating around. I maintain that this applies to a vast number of other topics often discussed on here.

[Tom4784]

But didn't you accuse 17 million people who voted to leave the EU to be morons?

No, as usual you've missed the mark.

I accused the people who didn't know what they were voting for of being morons.

[the truth]

:facepalm: Truth - I have supported you on here many times when your views have not been popular, and I did so because I thought you were correct in those views.

I am THE fairest member on Tibb when it comes to not bearing grudges, being civil, and applauding posts WHERE I feel that what the writers says has merit - even if that writer is emphatically opposed to my own personal viewpoint or has not got a particularly 'friendly' disposition towards me.

I am straight, honest, and mean what I say and say what I mean - often to my detriment.

If I felt that Corbyn was outright RACIST I would SAY SO.

He is ANTISEMITIC and PRO-HAMAS - in my opinion - and THAT is what I said.

I hope this clears things up for you.

does anti semitic mean racist?

[the truth]

No, as usual you've missed the mark.

I accused the people who didn't know what they were voting for of being morons.

yes but there were only 16 million of them voting to remain

[kirklancaster]

does anti semitic mean racist?

It means being an ignorant bastard in my view, but as anti semism is generally consider to be 'racist', I'll say; 'yes'.

Trap 'baited' - What next?

[Tom4784]

yes but there were only 16 million of them voting to remain

Now who's generalising?