Anti Democracy Protest today in LOndon

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Thousands take to the streets in London blocking roads and stopping business to protest about business stopping :facepalm:


I swear they really do think that we are now not somehow geographically not in Europe :hehe:


Anyroad the top speakers are Tim Fallon (:shrug:) and wait for it.......Bob Geldof off of Boomtown Rats:joker:


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Would you join them?

[Johnnyuk123]

So it's a comedy event then?

[joeysteele]

I know of a good few of my former Uni Friends who are on this March, good luck to them.

[arista]

So it's a comedy event then?



Yes its a Fun Event/



On LBC

[Crimson Dynamo]

Blocking up London making it hell for the tourists

idiots

[Cherie]

Tens of thousands in London and York :clap2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tens of thousands in London and York :clap2:

they should have voted that lot

probably too busy round at the artisan bakers buying marble rye and sourdough

[Liberty4eva]

Young people protesting a democratic result that will take them out of an undemocratic union. Whatever crap their college professors are pouring into their ears it seems to be working. :shocked:

[reece(:]

At least it won't be as brutal as if Remain won.

[Liberty4eva]

So it's a comedy event then?

That's what I thought at first too but then I realized I wasn't laughing.

[Jack_]

I do find it hilarious that the Leavers who are like 'I'm so glad we left the undemocratic EU!' and shouting at those who are upset at the result for 'not accepting democracy' are adamant that these kinds of marches or people airing their opinions about the fears they have going forward shouldn't be happening :rolleyes: funny that, isn't it?

I accept the democratic result. Do I agree with it? No. Is it mine and other people's right to speak out in favour of the EU and air our concerns about the result going forward? Yes. That's democracy. It works both ways.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i bet half that lot didnt even vote

:facepalm:

[Jack_]

lol if you turn up to a protest you're definitely politically engaged enough to vote but okay

[kirklancaster]

I'd be more impressed if the dumb clucks actually investigated the apalling TRUTH about the EU - which they obviously have not, or they would not be protesting. :shrug:

[_Tom_]

Are any of those bandwagon protesters aware they are basically fascists? They are literally protesting against democracy on behalf of bankers and big business. :facepalm:

[Jack_]

screaming @ 'fascists'

The only term that absurd phrase could be directed at is those who believe anyone who's fearful at the result should put up and shut up because 'democracy* has spoken'. No, democracy works both ways. You got your wish, now allow those who are worried about what this means for the working people of this country to speak out about those who are about to be abused by a hardline Tory right government without the protection of several laws enshrined under the European Union (something which has still not been addressed by anyone pleased with the result).

* 52% of 72% of the electorate

[arista]

Jack
52%Win
48% Lost

Its all Legal
We are not going to pay the EU in 2 years,
Now we are Not in a War
we are in True Democracy

Even Labour said it Respects
The win Vote.

Even The BBC Respects the Win Vote

So with Respect to you Jack
we are going to Change Fast
and no one will Stop Democracy


I thank the BBC and Labour.

[bots]

if the demonstrators are out on the streets because of the vote result, and they are trying to change the result, then its undemocratic.

They would be better served arguing the details of any arrangements for life outside the EU

[Crimson Dynamo]

they are protesting about not being in a trade agreement for big business?


:joker:


they are my favourite socialists

[Tom4784]

Leavers complain that remain voters want to protest a 52-48 vote yet what would have happened if it was the other way around? I doubt the EDL and the other extremist organisations on the Leave side would have opted for peaceful protests.

There's already been violent incidents and hate crime and that's happened when Leave has won....God forbid what fresh hell would have happened if Leave lost considering they were already crying about it being fixed when it looked like they might lose before the results were announced.

[arista]

Leavers complain that remain voters want to protest a 52-48 vote yet what would have happened if it was the other way around? I doubt the EDL and the other extremist organisations on the Leave side would have opted for peaceful protests.

There's already been violent incidents and hate crime and that's happened when Leave has won....God forbid what fresh hell would have happened if Leave lost considering they were already crying about it being fixed when it looked like they might lose before the results were announced.


I would Have made LESS threads
and Got back to WORK

[kirklancaster]

If 'Remain' had won, then there would be absolutely NO difference to what is occuring now;

the MAJORITY of losing 'Leave' voters would accept the democratic result, whilst the fecking idiot minority - extremists and all - would probably not accept the result and would take to the streets; causing civil disruption and trouble, because they are too immature to know what Democracy is.

Grousing over the Sunday dinner or over a pint, or even writing 'Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' type letters to the newspapers is perfectably acceptable, but whether Left or Right Wing, 'Remain' or 'Leave' - actions by IDIOTS which disrupt the lives of ordinary people going about their business, is NOT acceptable.

If I was driving through London or York and ANYONE stepped in front of my car as part of a 'protest' - I would RUN THE IDIOT OVER.

I would not, though, reverse over them, unless they had made me late for an appointment. :hee:

[kirklancaster]

I would Have made LESS threads
and Got back to WORK



:laugh: Bang On Right Arista.

[jaxie]

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Thousands take to the streets in London blocking roads and stopping business to protest about business stopping :facepalm:


I swear they really do think that we are now not somehow geographically not in Europe :hehe:


Anyroad the top speakers are Tim Fallon (:shrug:) and wait for it.......Bob Geldof off of Boomtown Rats:joker:


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Would you join them?

The daleks have moved us?

[empire]

over 51 percent voted leave, and Im one of them who voted out, so remember, don't blame me, bunch of lefties, they should get their bums out of bed and earn a living, not expect the state to throw money at them,

[Crimson Dynamo]

Leavers complain that remain voters want to protest a 52-48 vote yet what would have happened if it was the other way around? I doubt the EDL and the other extremist organisations on the Leave side would have opted for peaceful protests.

There's already been violent incidents and hate crime and that's happened when Leave has won....God forbid what fresh hell would have happened if Leave lost considering they were already crying about it being fixed when it looked like they might lose before the results were announced.

yes I hear there was some graffiti in London

I think the army should be called in

:idc:

[Johnnyuk123]

They are beginning to sound like a broken record.

[Jack_]

This thread reads like the Mail Online comments section, it's embarrassing :umm2:

[Mystic Mock]

If it's truly democracy in this country then these people should be allowed to have a peaceful protest, as after all what's there to be afraid of if they're such a minority group?:hehe:

[Mystic Mock]

Young people protesting a democratic result that will take them out of an undemocratic union. Whatever crap their college professors are pouring into their ears it seems to be working. :shocked:

Young people are the majority of this country, the elderly won't benefit from these changes, all the elderly have done is made the younger generations take decades to get us back into the EU (which will happen) so well done.

[Mystic Mock]

they should have voted that lot

probably too busy round at the artisan bakers buying marble rye and sourdough

Or are being attacked so badly financially that they don't even have a home?

[Jack_]

If 'Remain' had won, then there would be absolutely NO difference to what is occuring now;

the MAJORITY of losing 'Leave' voters would accept the democratic result, whilst the fecking idiot minority - extremists and all - would probably not accept the result and would take to the streets; causing civil disruption and trouble, because they are too immature to know what Democracy is.

Grousing over the Sunday dinner or over a pint, or even writing 'Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' type letters to the newspapers is perfectably acceptable, but whether Left or Right Wing, 'Remain' or 'Leave' - actions by IDIOTS which disrupt the lives of ordinary people going about their business, is NOT acceptable.

If I was driving through London or York and ANYONE stepped in front of my car as part of a 'protest' - I would RUN THE IDIOT OVER.

I would not, though, reverse over them, unless they had made me late for an appointment. :hee:

The right to protest is enshrined in law so it's entirely acceptable, and always should be. Why on earth would you not want it to be?

This exact thing would've been happening had we voted to remain and half of the people lambasting these protesters would've been protesting and screaming about a second referendum themselves. And Farage would've peddled his 'in a 52/48 result this is unfinished business' even more, it's funny how that's just been forgotten now he got the result he wanted?

[Mystic Mock]

I'd be more impressed if the dumb clucks actually investigated the apalling TRUTH about the EU - which they obviously have not, or they would not be protesting. :shrug:

Have you studied it's benefits Kirk? Like they come and protect us if we get attacked by a non-EU country? Or the fact that we have trading deals with the EU? The fact that we don't have to have Visa's to live in an EU country? Or the fact that our Economy was the 5th best in the world?

But apparently I'm uninformed for stating these facts as apparently Immigration is bigger and more important than all of these isn't it Kirk? Or is it the imaginary hindering of the NHS which is really all of the Tories doing?

Really stop taking the Daily Mail and The Sun as gospel and laugh them off like the jokes that they are like most of us do when we read them, The Sun in particular aren't even honest with their right wing propaganda.

[Jack_]

If it's truly democracy in this country then these people should be allowed to have a peaceful protest, as after all what's there to be afraid of if they're such a minority group?:hehe:

Precisely. Maybe they're scared that all the protesting will amount to a watering down of the things they hoped to achieve with leaving the EU and so want to silence them before it undoes all of their work?

If so, all power to them...

[Johnnyuk123]

Lets hope when the olympics are on and the men's 100 metres race has finished that the guy who came last says...erm the sun was in my eyes so we need to do a re run. Lets see how many YES lets re run the race threads we get.

[Mystic Mock]

Precisely. Maybe they're scared that all the protesting will amount to a watering down of the things they hoped to achieve with leaving the EU and so want to silence them before it undoes all of their work?

If so, all power to them...

The winning side was always gonna try and silence protests.

Imo as long as the protest is peaceful and non-violent then I support the right for a protest like you do.

Basically I agree with you that the Leave side is scared that if these protests go ahead that it could swing a pro-Remain campaign into a new lease of life.

[_Tom_]

If it's truly democracy in this country then these people should be allowed to have a peaceful protest, as after all what's there to be afraid of if they're such a minority group?:hehe:

Protesting against a democratic result is not democracy though.

[_Tom_]

Can we start calling the pro-EU protesters what they really are?

Goldman Sachs lobbyists.

[Mystic Mock]

Lets hope when the olympics are on and the men's 100 metres race has finished that the guy who came last says...erm the sun was in my eyes so we need to do a re run. Lets see how many YES lets re run the race threads we get.

I'm presuming that the Olympics would do a re run if a player was impeded.

[Jack_]

Protesting against a democratic result is not democracy though.

And condemning people for exercising their right to protest which is in itself an act of democracy is entirely undemocratic also.

People are protesting because they are rightly fearful of what this result is going to amount to, especially with the people that are about to ascend to power. That is their right. They are protesting against the xenophobia and racism that multiple people have experienced in the last week. That is their right. They are protesting because they want the things that protected the working people of the UK to be protected by the new government. That is their right.

The vote is done and a second referendum isn't going to happen. So what is the problem? Allow these people their voices if you're such a proponent of democracy, if it isn't going to change anything you're in support of then it's no harm done is it? Or are you scared that the things you've fought for are in jeopardy the more people speak out?

Either way, democracy works both ways. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

[Mystic Mock]

Protesting against a democratic result is not democracy though.

Well the Tories don't have to listen to it do they? That's democracy.

Telling people that they can't protest is no different to Russia.

[Jack_]

Can we start calling the anti-EU proponents what they really are?

Racists, xenophobes and turkeys voting for Christmas.

[Mystic Mock]

And condemning people for exercising their right to protest which is in itself an act of democracy is entirely undemocratic also.

People are protesting because they are rightly fearful of what this result is going to amount to, especially with the people that are about to ascend to power. That is their right. They are protesting against the xenophobia and racism that multiple people have experienced in the last week. That is their right. They are protesting because they want the things that protected the working people of the UK to be protected by the new government. That is their right.

The vote is done and a second referendum isn't going to happen. So what is the problem? Allow these people their voices if you're such a proponent of democracy, if it isn't going to change anything you're in support of then it's no harm done is it? Or are you scared that the things you've fought for are in jeopardy the more people speak out?

Either way, democracy works both ways. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

:clap1:

[Mystic Mock]

Can we start calling the anti-EU proponents what they really are?

Racists, xenophobes and turkeys voting for Christmas.

Apparently obsessing over Immigration above all else and wanting it closed off entirely is not racist or xenophobic Jack, and apparently we're just scaremongering for saying that they are didn't you know?:hehe:

Literally one of my Mom's Twitter friends has just called anyone wanting to remain "stupid" just because they're protesting about the result.

Imo it's pretty stupid not to at least question the result considering there is no plan for this country going forward other than to vilify Gove to make Boris sympathetic to the nation by the Right Wing Media such as The Sun and The Daily Mail, and the other 8 far Right Wing Newspapers.

[_Tom_]

Funny how debates with Remainiacs always turn into insults isn't it. Keep shouting racist and xenephobe because that worked out so well for you guys :flowers:

[joeysteele]

The right to protest is enshrined in law so it's entirely acceptable, and always should be. Why on earth would you not want it to be?

This exact thing would've been happening had we voted to remain and half of the people lambasting these protesters would've been protesting and screaming about a second referendum themselves. And Farage would've peddled his 'in a 52/48 result this is unfinished business' even more, it's funny how that's just been forgotten now he got the result he wanted?

It is pure hypocrisy Jack, nothing else.
You are right, Farage was already gearing up on the results night when ti was thought leave had won by the same margin.

He was starting to blame the extended deadline for people to register to vote as one reason remain had won.
There would have been a never ending lists of things from likely most on the leave side,some there would have 'never' accepted that result and would have been screaming night and day for another referendum.

With the attitude of some on the leave side there is no way anyone in power will be able to again unite this Kingdom.
Every day I find myself more turned off by their endless gloating and put downs to those who voted remain.

What is worse however are the truly horrible minority who helped the 'leave' side win, who 'are' racist and xenophobic, who are now setting out after this result to make immigrants lives really unpleasant now and even feeling threatened in the UK.

Those kind of people are the threats to democracy not peaceful marchers worried about their futures.
Also, who knows that those on this march today did not vote anyway, more guesswork and supposition to fuel prejudices.

[Jack_]

Funny how debates with Remainiacs always turn into insults isn't it. Keep shouting racist and xenephobe because that worked out so well for you guys :flowers:

Err...in case you hadn't noticed, my post about racists and xenophobes was a sarcastic response to your post which tarred all those who are pro-EU with the same brush:

Can we start calling the pro-EU protesters what they really are?

Goldman Sachs lobbyists.

So again you are contradicting yourself. Personally I think those calling leavers racists are shutting down a problem that's existed for years, but stereotype me and I'll stereotype you too.

I notice you didn't respond to my other post which had no insults, it can't be a debate if you didn't reply. Or did I prove you wrong?

[Alf]

There hasn't been this kind of out-pouring of love for an un-democratic super-state since The Hitler youth.

[Tom4784]

Protests would have been acceptable on either way, a 52-48 split is not a big enough lead to declare a majority.

yes I hear there was some graffiti in London

I think the army should be called in

:idc:

Good ol' LT with his Freudian-seque defense of racism.

[Cherie]

I'm presuming that the Olympics would do a re run if a player was impeded.

:clap2:

[Tom4784]

Funny how debates with Remainiacs always turn into insults isn't it. Keep shouting racist and xenephobe because that worked out so well for you guys :flowers:

Nobody is actually calling ALL leavers racist. It's been said plenty of times that, while a large portion of leave voters probably voted for racist reasons, not all of them did.

It's funny how it's people like you that are tarring yourself with the racist brush and becoming ultra defensive over nothing.

[Tom4784]

over 51 percent voted leave, and Im one of them who voted out, so remember, don't blame me, bunch of lefties, they should get their bums out of bed and earn a living, not expect the state to throw money at them,

So anyone who voted Remain is also a 'scrounger' in your eyes? Strange leap (and lack) of logic there.

[Ammi]

Err...in case you hadn't noticed, my post about racists and xenophobes was a sarcastic response to your post which tarred all those who are pro-EU with the same brush:



So again you are contradicting yourself. Personally I think those calling leavers racists are shutting down a problem that's existed for years, but stereotype me and I'll stereotype you too.

I notice you didn't respond to my other post which had no insults, it can't be a debate if you didn't reply. Or did I prove you wrong?

..yeah those are my thoughts as well, Jack...screaming 'racist' will only make those prejudices/intolerances etc more defensive and so more hostile as well and will solve nothing at all ...but just make it less possible for those prejudices to be diminished in any way...these prejudices haven't arisen from any decisions to have a referendum or the result of it..it's just showing it's face more now, rather than trying to conceal itself by some...but the thought process of Brexiters being mostly racist/xenophobic is a similar generalisation to football fans as being as being thought of as 'hooligans', when with both it's only a tiny percentage, I feel... that small percentage though is no consolation or comfort to anyone who has felt racism as a direct link to Brexit/Remain..and sadly many people have, as has been reported...it's now as you say, not shutting that revealed face down by shouting at it but dealing with the issue as 'problems' like this have a way of gathering and growing extroadinarily quickly in 'depression' times and times of uncertainty like we are in now....

[the truth]

Young people protesting a democratic result that will take them out of an undemocratic union. Whatever crap their college professors are pouring into their ears it seems to be working. :shocked:

lol so true. Ive notied the left dont actually have conversations anymore they just scream and shout and march and abuse, how sad, how undemocratic, how profoundly dumb and ineffective.

[Livia]

Someone's always marching through London dragging their grievance behind them.

[arista]

Someone's always marching through London dragging their grievance behind them.



Yes its OK so long as its music
and Children looking sad.


But Changes Nothing

[jaxie]

Nobody is actually calling ALL leavers racist. It's been said plenty of times that, while a large portion of leave voters probably voted for racist reasons, not all of them did.

It's funny how it's people like you that are tarring yourself with the racist brush and becoming ultra defensive over nothing.

I was called a xenophobe on this forum for saying I found Nicola Sturgeon's voice annoying. I promise I didn't tar myself. :shrug:
People are throwing round certain words in relation to disagreements over the referendum and we can't sanitise it and say those who voted leave are too sensitive or remainers wouldn't do that.

Re the march, the people who marched are exercising their democratic right and in democracy that means they are entitled to go up to town, shout a bit and have a picnic because things didn't go their way. While I may think it's a bit whiney and agree with someone on here who said they are marching to remain in an undemocratic club. We are very lucky to live in a country where we are able to do things like that.

[Beso]

screaming @ 'fascists'

The only term that absurd phrase could be directed at is those who believe anyone who's fearful at the result should put up and shut up because 'democracy* has spoken'. No, democracy works both ways. You got your wish, now allow those who are worried about what this means for the working people of this country to speak out about those who are about to be abused by a hardline Tory right government without the protection of several laws enshrined under the European Union (something which has still not been addressed by anyone pleased with the result).

* 52% of 72% of the electorate

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bqHwXWa3tH4

[jaxie]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bqHwXWa3tH4

That video is incredibly disturbing.

[Beso]

Nobody is actually calling ALL leavers racist. It's been said plenty of times that, while a large portion of leave voters probably voted for racist reasons, not all of them did.

It's funny how it's people like you that are tarring yourself with the racist brush and becoming ultra defensive over nothing.

Jack just said all outers are racist and xenophobic, which will inclede people on the forum, myself included...why no ban? Why is the post still showing?

[Jack_]

Jack just said all outers are racist and xenophobic, which will inclede people on the forum, myself included...why no ban? Why is the post still showing?

As I've already said, that was a sarcastic riposte to Tom's insinuation that all the pro-EU protesters are 'Goldman Sachs lobbyists'. Should he be banned too?

Are you immune to sarcasm or did you just not read the thread properly? That's a common problem on TiBB

[kirklancaster]

That video is incredibly disturbing.

On more than one level, I'm afraid. The threats of an irrational bully who is vexed because a democratic 'Referendum' decision has not gone her way, even though she is pig ignorant of the facts of the issue which was the crux of that Referendum.

Couldn't happen on Tibb though.... Err, hang on a mo.

[Cherie]

She didn't do herself any favours, she should have just walked on

[Jack_]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bqHwXWa3tH4

So she turns up to an organised protest of people speaking out about the fears they have since Britain voted to leave the EU with a 'leave' poster and expects to receive a warm welcome?

Do I agree with the woman saying she needed to leave and take her poster down? No, that would be undemocratic. But do I agree that the woman shouldn't be allowed to criticise her for turning up to a protest she's not in support of? No, because that would also be undemocratic. So you end up with a pointless stalemate that goes nowhere.

Those who were protesting yesterday have every right to and people calling them 'undemocratic' have no sense of irony whatsoever, but as much as the other woman is allowed to turn up and proclaim her dislike of the cause, she has to expect criticism since she's a small minority who has appeared at an organised protest for a cause she doesn't believe in...it's pretty stupid, no? She knew what she was getting into, so there's nothing to see here.

[Beso]

As I've already said, that was a sarcastic riposte to Tom's insinuation that all the pro-EU protesters are 'Goldman Sachs lobbyists'. Should he be banned too?

Are you immune to sarcasm or did you just not read the thread properly? That's a common problem on TiBB

Just stinks when i get banned for sarcastically referring to someones sexuality after they called me a troll..anyway, i didnt report you cause i aint like that..just find it very clique amd unfair when certain people get away with stuff that others don't.

[Beso]

So she turns up to an organised protest of people speaking out about the fears they have since Britain voted to leave the EU with a 'leave' poster and expects to receive a warm welcome?

Do I agree with the woman saying she needed to leave and take her poster down? No, that would be undemocratic. But do I agree that the woman shouldn't be allowed to criticise her for turning up to a protest she's not in support of? No, because that would also be undemocratic. So you end up with a pointless stalemate that goes nowhere.

Those who were protesting yesterday have every right to and people calling them 'undemocratic' have no sense of irony whatsoever, but as much as the other woman is allowed to turn up and proclaim her dislike of the cause, she has to expect criticism since she's a small minority who has appeared at an organised protest for a cause she doesn't believe in...it's pretty stupid, no? She knew what she was getting into, so there's nothing to see here.

So i suppose the physical assault by a man at the very beginning of the clip by ripping her placard from her hand was ok as well:joker:

[Liberty4eva]

That video is incredibly disturbing.

Disturbing but hardly surprising. They are an intolerant mob.

[Liberty4eva]

lol so true. Ive notied the left dont actually have conversations anymore they just scream and shout and march and abuse, how sad, how undemocratic, how profoundly dumb and ineffective.

I agree. The funniest signs I saw at the demonstration were "We are the 48%". In their minds that makes them entitled to get their way.

[Liberty4eva]

Young people are the majority of this country, the elderly won't benefit from these changes, all the elderly have done is made the younger generations take decades to get us back into the EU (which will happen) so well done.

The EU will not last the end of this decade. Remember this prediction.

[Ammi]

..I'm not condoning how the Remain lady behaved in the protest../very grim...but watching it made me think that, that's probably how the ethnic minorities are made to feel and have been made to feel so many times...'you don't belong here/go away' type thing..:sad:...ironic though, that she mentioned that herself and accused of voting along with racism, while doing something similar herself really...it's also worrying that neither lady when questioned seemed to really know what their vote had been for../their reasoning behind it etc...this has been the huge thing, really...