3rd time: You Pick a PM, again from 2 Women

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmZ83Z_XgAEtyFx.jpg:large
PM contender Andrea Leadsom says UK could leave EU next year http://reut.rs/29pIb9l

Mother , aged 53




or

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02508/Theresa-May_2508509b.jpg
Theresa May
No kids , aged 59



You Decide

[_Tom_]

Leadsom without a shadow of a doubt. She was absolutely storming throughout the EU campaign - and she’s the only candidate capable of delivering on Brexit. She's miles ahead of all the others on ALL online polls.

Never May - she's failed on human rights, she's failed on immigration and has decimated our police forces. She would be a disastrous PM.

The only serious candidate is Andrea.

[Johnnyuk123]

Leadsom without a shadow of a doubt. She was absolutely storming throughout the EU campaign - and she’s the only candidate capable of delivering on Brexit. She's miles ahead of all the others on ALL online polls.

Never May - she's failed on human rights, she's failed on immigration and has decimated our police forces. She would be a disastrous PM.

The only serious candidate is Andrea.


:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[joeysteele]

I'd still go for Theresa May, I don't like the harder line Leadsom seems to use,something about her I just don't trust.
I wasn't impressed with her style in the debates either, she had a smile while she made points which often means someone is hiding what they really think and they don't want to reveal their true thinking..

I don't really want any of them but if I was Conservative,I would now support Theresa May still.

[kirklancaster]

Leadsom without a shadow of a doubt. She was absolutely storming throughout the EU campaign - and she’s the only candidate capable of delivering on Brexit. She's miles ahead of all the others on ALL online polls.

Never May - she's failed on human rights, she's failed on immigration and has decimated our police forces. She would be a disastrous PM.

The only serious candidate is Andrea.

I have now swung firmly behind Andrea after researching a little more deeply. You are correct Tom - She WILL deliver on Brexit.

[arista]

I have now swung firmly behind Andrea after researching a little more deeply. You are correct Tom - She WILL deliver on Brexit.



Sadly
she has not got the backers
plus the DM has dug up a 2013 Audio
said the reverse. but its out of context
She is Live in a min on Marr BBC1HD

T.May
has the big numbers
done deal

[Cherie]

It's a farce isn't it, I don't know how Teresa May can deliver Brexit any more than David Cameron could :shrug:

[kirklancaster]

It's a farce isn't it, I don't know how Teresa May can deliver Brexit any more than David Cameron could :shrug:

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Exactly Cherie - Are the politicians now so contemptuous of the electorate that they now do not even bother PRETENDING to really BELIEVE in the issues which they are claiming to be the best candidate on?

Feigned passion is what has just hastened Corbyn's end.

[Cherie]

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Exactly Cherie - Are the politicians now so contemptuous of the electorate that they now do not even bother PRETENDING to really BELIEVE in the issues which they are claiming to be the best candidate on?

Feigned passion is what has just hastened Corbyn's end.


I guess DC stepped down as he wanted Boris to get his hands dirty :laugh: now it looks like he may as well have stayed on

[arista]

It's a farce isn't it, I don't know how Teresa May can deliver Brexit any more than David Cameron could :shrug:


No its "Events"
that change how you think



As Dave has been Honest
and confirmed he could bring in ,
Contract 50
thats for the next Lady PM

[arista]

Andrea is Live now BBC1HD

[arista]

T.May is on ITV1HD Peston.

[arista]

T.May Live now on Peston

[arista]

The Next Election is Month May 2020


I thank you T. May Lady

[Livia]

Why does it say in the op that one is a mother and one is not? I've not read anywhere on here whether any of the male candidates are fathers.

[smudgie]

Out of the two I would still choose Theesa May.
We need a strong leader to steer us through these turbulent times. Someone who can bring us all back together again.
Nothing would please me more than David Cameron being persuaded to remain as PM for another couple of years,

[arista]

Out of the two I would still choose Theresa May.
We need a strong leader to steer us through these turbulent times. Someone who can bring us all back together again.
Nothing would please me more than David Cameron being persuaded to remain as PM for another couple of years,

She has the Backers

[arista]

Why does it say in the op that one is a mother and one is not? I've not read anywhere on here whether any of the male candidates are fathers.


That was My Choice as Editor of My Poll.


In any case it does not Matter
as T.May lady is way ahead with
Conservative MP's backing her.


Done Deal

[joeysteele]

Why does it say in the op that one is a mother and one is not? I've not read anywhere on here whether any of the male candidates are fathers.

I was wondering that too, what on earth relevance has that to do with anyone's capabilities.
Like them or not.

[arista]

I was wondering that too, what on earth relevance has that to do with anyone's capabilities.
Like them or not.


It was used in Newspapers today


It makes no change,
anyway
as T. May is going to be the New PM.

[Livia]

Their status as parents is irrelevant as their hair colour.

[Toy Soldier]

Their status as parents is irrelevant as their hair colour.
Would you really want a blonde PM though?

[arista]

Their status as parents is irrelevant as their hair colour.


Of Course

[Vicky.]

Voted May as I have never heard of the other one :laugh:

[arista]

Voted May as I have never heard of the other one :laugh:



How Nice

[Livia]

May was against leaving the EU, half-heartedly against admittedly, and only when pushed did she have to stand behind the PM. I have no respect for her as Home Secretary. I voted for Leadsom. She's had experience of working in the real world as well as of being a politician. I like her... she could be a new broom.

[Vicky.]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/8201521/Sex-offenders-including-paedophiles-should-be-allowed-to-adopt-Theresa-May-told.html

Erm...wtf. I didn't know this.

[arista]

May was against leaving the EU, [/B]half-heartedly against admittedly, and only when pushed did she have to stand behind the PM. I have no respect for her as Home Secretary. I voted for Leadsom. She's had experience of working in the real work as well as of being a politician. I like her... she could be a new broom.

She was Live on Peston itv
this morning.

She accepts all that
but has Moved on.

[arista]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/8201521/Sex-offenders-including-paedophiles-should-be-allowed-to-adopt-Theresa-May-told.html

Erm...wtf. I didn't know this.



Vicky Thats a Smear
not fully true


That Paper wants the other Lady

[Livia]

She was Live on Peston itv
this morning.

She accepts all that
but has Moved on.

I saw them both on TV this morning and thought May floundered and came off second-best.

[Vicky.]

Vicky Thats a Smear
not fully true


That Paper wants the other Lady

This was from 6 years ago so not sure its anything to do with a smear :p

[Livia]

A Home Office spokesman said: “It is safe to say that the vetting review will not be considering allowing paedophiles to adopt. It wouldn’t exactly go down well with the public.

Spokesman stating the bleeding obvious...

[Johnnyuk123]

With a name like Leadsom she was born to lead.

[arista]

This was from 6 years ago so not sure its anything to do with a smear :p



Vicky if you were a MP
and I could dig up your past
any problems - Go Public


Its means nothing NOW Today
she is hard now
kept her Job Long Time.

[arista]

With a name like Leadsom she was born to lead.



Yes
but not enough backers , sadly

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/7/3/475619/default/v1/the-i-1-750x563.jpg

[_Tom_]

May leads with 165 votes, Leadsom in second with 66.
Liam Fox eliminated.

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/7/5/475994/default/v1/tory-leadership-results-online-1-589x442.jpg

[Pete.]

Girl power :clap1:

[arista]

Yes Pick the Lady you like.

[_Tom_]

Stephen Crabb has dropped out the race.

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[Cherie]

His votes might push Gove past Leadsom

[jaxie]

May was against leaving the EU, half-heartedly against admittedly, and only when pushed did she have to stand behind the PM. I have no respect for her as Home Secretary. I voted for Leadsom. She's had experience of working in the real world as well as of being a politician. I like her... she could be a new broom.

This is pretty much how I feel. Really hope Leadsom gets it.

[joeysteele]

His votes might push Gove past Leadsom

I cannot believe I am saying this after all I have said and thought of Theresa May the last few years but I do not want Andrea Leadsom at all, I think she's false.

Gove I feel has no chance now so for me I'd rather Theresa May.

[the truth]

Their status as parents is irrelevant as their hair colour.

because he was only talking about these 2 candidates

[Braden]

I voted for Andrea Leadsom.

[reece(:]

Glad Crabb is out, vile thug.

Idrk out of the others who's best after doing more research on May

[the truth]

Girl power :clap1:

sexist. do men say when its only men in the race , men power? no it gets shouted down as sexist. forget the battle fo the sexes and work out who is best for the job

[kirklancaster]

This is pretty much how I feel. Really hope Leadsom gets it.

And me.

[Cherie]

sexist. do men say when its only men in the race , men power? no it gets shouted down as sexist. forget the battle fo the sexes and work out who is best for the job

:clap2:

[kirklancaster]

I cannot believe I am saying this after all I have said and thought of Theresa May the last few years but I do not want Andrea Leadsom at all, I think she's false.

Gove I feel has no chance now so for me I'd rather Theresa May.

For me, May makes me fel uncomfortable - like when you are a kid staring nervously into the dark recesses in your bedroom. I have a feeling that she will resurrect the 'unnaceptable face of Capitalism' days of Tory years gone by.

In addition, I do not believe that any 'Remain' politician can - sincerely - ensure a truly successful post-Brexit UK.

[Cherie]

For me, May makes me fel uncomfortable - like when you are a kid staring nervously into the dark recesses in your bedroom. I have a feeling that she will resurrect the 'unnaceptable face of Capitalism' days of Tory years gone by.

In addition, I do not believe that any 'Remain' politician can - sincerely - ensure a truly successful post-Brexit UK.


Leadsom changed her mind only two years ago she was warning about the effects of leaving, at any rate I wouldn't vote for either in a GE, I think Cameron was pretty moderate in the face of what is coming

[arista]

Kirk

Already Live on Peston Sunday /ITV1HD
That Lady you fear
Confirmed end of the year to get Contract 50 Started

She wants to win being the Leader
if she back tracks now

The Other Lady , a mother, could win.

But So far the Money is all on T. May to win in Sept.

[kirklancaster]

Kirk

Already Live on Peston Sunday /ITV1HD
That Lady you fear
Confirmed end of the year to get Contract 50 Started

She wants to win being the Leader
if she back tracks now

The Other Lady , a mother, could win.

But So far the Money is all on T. May to win in Sept.

Thanks Arista.

[joeysteele]

For me, May makes me fel uncomfortable - like when you are a kid staring nervously into the dark recesses in your bedroom. I have a feeling that she will resurrect the 'unnaceptable face of Capitalism' days of Tory years gone by.

In addition, I do not believe that any 'Remain' politician can - sincerely - ensure a truly successful post-Brexit UK.

Leadsom often smiles when she is making a serious point to a question asked, I have found that in my law work, that is often masking the real truth someone thinks or knows.
So I would have no trust in much of what leadsoms says.
I don't like Theresa May but we will need someone with strong Ministerial experience.

I don't like how May has behaved as Home secretary but she has stood firm and never wavered off the path she was on.
Therefore she delivers.

I don't see why there should be any condition other than who is better for the task of ensuring all goes well and gets the best deals possible.

I am not that sure a leave candidate would get the warmth from the EU that may be needed.
3 years ago, all except Gove and Grayling would have been for staying in the EU.
It was a remain PM who eventually bowed to pressure and gave a referendum, with all the risks that entailed too as in David Cameron.

Whoever is best for the task is who should get it and also someone who hopefully can start to unite the whole UK again from being just about split 50-50 really,that is not Leadsom for sure in my view.
Gove has been the only solid leave as to the EU for many years now anyway.

Boris behind the scenes will be ensuring he doesn't get it so for me May is the better way of having even a small chance of uniting Country and her party over this.
I don't really like any of them being honest,I did like Gove until I realised he is likely henpecked and probably has to do all his wife tells him to.
Last thing we need now,at this time, is a back seat driver as PM namely Sarah Vine,

[_Tom_]

Imagine condemning the lovely Leadsom because she smiles a lot :worry:

When she smiles it's warm and genuine imo and not the usual fake gritted-teeth affair.

I definitely don't want Gove now - as well as knifing Boris in the back his campaign has urged May supporters to vote for him to block Leadsom.

[_Tom_]

Gove eliminated! :clap1:

May and Leadsom put forward to membership of Conservative party.

[arista]

Gove eliminated! :clap1:

May and Leadsom put forward to membership of Conservative party.


Yes I told you week ago

Done Deal


2 women fight it out
Ends Sept 9th Friday

[_Tom_]

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[Pete.]

The 2nd female PM :clap1:

[Pete.]

Leadsom has said she doesn't support same sex marriage so I'm Team Theresa at this point

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/andrea-leadsom-brexit-speech-conservative-leadership-election-next-tory-leader-a7124641.html%3famp?client=safari#

[MB.]

At this point, various forms of torture > Theresa May > chemical castration > Andrea Leadsom

I'd hope that having the backing of Britain First, Nick Griffin and Katie Hopkins would be the nail in the coffin for Leadsom, but it didn't do the Leave campaign much harm in the end

[Jack_]

The 2nd female PM :clap1:

I wonder how much worse than the first one they'll be

[arista]

Leadsom has said she doesn't support same sex marriage so I'm Team Theresa at this point

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/andrea-leadsom-brexit-speech-conservative-leadership-election-next-tory-leader-a7124641.html%3famp?client=safari#



She Does Not Object to it

And agrees with the new Gay Laws

its a church thing , Pete

Ref: LBC Live/SkyNewsHD/ Daily Politcs

[Crimson Dynamo]

Leadsom lied badly about her career

:umm2:

[arista]

Leadsom lied badly about her career

:umm2:


No wrong data

She has corrected it


LT - Get Up to date, please

[MB.]

She Does Not Object to it

She co-runs a school exchange project with a gay cure group though

[jaxie]

Well I liked Leadsom right up until they said on sky news she wants to bring back fox hunting. That's a no go for me. She can do one.

[Pete.]

She Does Not Object to it

And agrees with the new Gay Laws

its a church thing , Pete

Ref: LBC Live/SkyNewsHD/ Daily Politcs
Common sense and morals should take priority over religion (especially since her job is on the line and the members are voting is she thick?)

[kirklancaster]

Yes I told you week ago

Done Deal


2 women fight it out
Ends Sept 9th Friday

:clap1::clap1::clap1: You know what Arista - You ACTUALLY DID predict that 2 women would be fighting this out, and that WAS over a week ago!.

Very well done.

[Cherie]

The 2nd female PM :clap1:

Leadsom has said she doesn't support same sex marriage so I'm Team Theresa at this point

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/andrea-leadsom-brexit-speech-conservative-leadership-election-next-tory-leader-a7124641.html%3famp?client=safari#

:laugh:

[arista]

:clap1::clap1::clap1: You know what Arista - You ACTUALLY DID predict that 2 women would be fighting this out, and that WAS over a week ago!.

Very well done.


Yes inside information

[Cherie]

Yes inside information

Arista has the ear of those in the know :clap2:

[arista]

Of Course
Andrea can drop out before the 9th
if she chooses.

TV debates are rushing to be set up
while there is 2

[Withano]

There needs to be a call for a lack of faith in all candidates.

[MTVN]

Imagine condemning the lovely Leadsom because she smiles a lot :worry:

When she smiles it's warm and genuine imo and not the usual fake gritted-teeth affair.

I definitely don't want Gove now - as well as knifing Boris in the back his campaign has urged May supporters to vote for him to block Leadsom.

Strange that you attacked Crabb for his views on homosexuality yet now you champion Leadsom

[kirklancaster]

Arista has the ear of those in the know :clap2:

Mmm... He could benefit both of us then Cherie, when it comes to political betting. Shall we start buttering up the green legend? :laugh:

[Headie]

Leadsom has said she doesn't support same sex marriage so I'm Team Theresa at this point

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/andrea-leadsom-brexit-speech-conservative-leadership-election-next-tory-leader-a7124641.html%3famp?client=safari#

Come thru Mother Theresa!

[_Tom_]

Strange that you attacked Crabb for his views on homosexuality yet now you champion Leadsom

That was before I heard of Leadsom's stance on gay marriage. At least she's tolerant, it's not like she's going to reverse the legislation.

Still - when the alternative is Teflon Theresa ReMayner - I'll back Andrea everyday.

[kirklancaster]

That was before I heard of Leadsom's stance on gay marriage. At least she's tolerant, it's not like she's going to reverse the legislation.

Still - when the alternative is Teflon Theresa ReMayner - I'll back Andrea everyday.

Precisely Tom - Me too.

[Black Dagger]

Gosh it's like asking me which testicle I'd rather ****ing live without.

Both scummy but Teresa less so.

[Jack_]

Come thru Mother Theresa!

Theresa has a terrible track record on immigration and human rights, so they kind of balance themselves out. Just three days ago she was the only candidate of the five to not guarantee the places of EU citizens currently residing in the UK, effectively describing them as a bargaining tool to use in exit negotiations - literally using actual human beings as a political weapon. And as for LGBT rights:

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Be under no illusion that everything would be wonderful under her premiership, they are both just as scummy as each other.

[Rob!]

The pair of them are absolutely awful. This country is so so very screwed

[Cherie]

They both look like power will go to their heads like Josy :oh: :fist:

[Withano]

Andrea creeps me right out. Like psycho nan vibes. Like you can just imagine her manically laughing and smiling whilst stabs you multiple times.

[Cherie]

Mmm... He could benefit both of us then Cherie, when it comes to political betting. Shall we start buttering up the green legend? :laugh:

Should have put our houses on it being a woman :laugh:

[joeysteele]

I've said all along I find Andrea Leadsom false,I wouldn't trust her one inch.

Theresa May, I cannot stand but for me is my preferred choice from 2 of the probable worst candidates in any leadership election ever.

[joeysteele]

Just watched Andrea Leadsom being asked about gay marriage and foxhunting with hounds.

The latter she would bring back if she could, the former she said she would have preferred marriage remaining a Christian thing.
What, does she think non Christians and atheists don't get married.

I doubt you can trust much of what she says.

[jaxie]

Andrea creeps me right out. Like psycho nan vibes. Like you can just imagine her manically laughing and smiling whilst stabs you multiple times.

kind of worried about what your nan is like now! :shocked::shocked:

[Withano]

kind of worried about what your nan is like now! :shocked::shocked:

Hah. Shes lovely.

[MTVN]

Theresa has a terrible track record on immigration and human rights, so they kind of balance themselves out. Just three days ago she was the only candidate of the five to not guarantee the places of EU citizens currently residing in the UK, effectively describing them as a bargaining tool to use in exit negotiations - literally using actual human beings as a political weapon. And as for LGBT rights:

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Be under no illusion that everything would be wonderful under her premiership, they are both just as scummy as each other.

Interesting that that list doesn't include the fact she voted in favour of same sex marriage. Not exactly unusual that someone would have a different attitude to LGBT rights in 1998 than they do now in 2016. No mention also of how it was Theresa May who refused to let police use Boris' water cannons on London's streets and has criticised the lack of diversity in the police and clamped down on racially discriminative stop and searches.

[arista]

ThankYou
MTVN
for putting the Facts Down

The Young on tibb
love Diss-information
its Shocking

[Jack_]

Interesting that that list doesn't include the fact she voted in favour of same sex marriage. Not exactly unusual that someone would have a different attitude to LGBT rights in 1998 than they do now in 2016. No mention also of how it was Theresa May who refused to let police use Boris' water cannons on London's streets and has criticised the lack of diversity in the police and clamped down on racially discriminative stop and searches.

I know she did, and we could list some of the positives of pretty much any of the five candidates (and most MPs for that matter) because no one - with few exceptions - are consistently abhorrent on every issue. She does however still have an appalling track record on immigration, was behind the 'go home' vans, said we should seriously consider pulling out of the ECHR (I don't care whether she's changed her position on this in the last week, I wouldn't rule it out), decimated police budgets and frontline officer numbers and decided to bring back the snoopers charter

And I don't really think the attitude change in LGBT rights is a necessary point either, I mean sure it's a good thing, but I'm pretty sure I could find a list of MPs who've been voting in favour of LGBT rights for decades - in fact Jeremy Corbyn is one of them. What's May's excuse?

She is just as appalling a candidate as Leadsom. You know we're ****ed when you wish a pig ****er would stay

[joeysteele]

The problem is and yes, people can change their minds as to issues,I have on many things from how I thought at 16 through to 20 and now to being 24.

However, these people who become MPs, do so from a place of found,formed and set convictions.
Even to the point of where their votes as MPs were put.

I think it is justified to wonder and ask why, and even if they really have done so in fact,that they have gone full circle on some very important and often sensitive issues.

[arista]

[The problem is and yes, people can change their minds as to issues,I have on many things from how I thought at 16 through to 20 and now to being 24.]

Very True Young Joey

[arista]

[She is just as appalling a candidate as Leadsom. You know we're ****ed when you wish a pig ****er would stay ]

Its OK Jack as time moves on
you will find one of the Ladies due to be Elected
by Friday 9th Sept 2016
better than a Fella, I love your posts
never stop.
Keep Your Chin Up

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/13/article-0-01515E8D00000578-13_634x828.jpg
GMBHD itv LIVE
Feck Me Nadine Dorries MP
mention that Andrea was in a top job
while being 7 months pregnant

some on this thread got angry
at the Mother thing


And Thanx for telling them
Gordon Brown never had a Election
after getting his job

2020 Month May perfect for the next Election
as everyone including OLd Dimbl on BBC1HD QT
needs a Holiday/Rest / Sack

[joeysteele]

If a general election is not held within a year,this PM will not have any major elected authority and will be as wrong as those before her who did not get their own mandate from the voters at large and not just from their own party.

We have never been in the position we are in now as to the EU, imprtant decisions have to be taken and very complex time consuming deals to be negotiated both in the EU and around the World.

No way should any PM be allowed to just assume office in such a scenario, never mind be arrogant enough to even want to.

She will be an unelected PM all through if she fails to trust the voters before starting the leaving process.
That will be outrageous.

[arista]

If a general election is not held within a year,this PM will not have any major elected authority and will be as wrong as those before her who did not get their own mandate from the voters at large and not just from their own party.

We have never been in the position we are in now as to the EU, imprtant decisions have to be taken and very complex time consuming deals to be negotiated both in the EU and around the World.

No way should any PM be allowed to just assume office in such a scenario, never mind be arrogant enough to even want to.

She will be an unelected PM all through if she fails to trust the voters before starting the leaving process.
That will be outrageous.


YES just like New Labour G. Brown
did that as well.


Suck It Up - I tell them

Not you Joey, though
you are a Good tibber

[joeysteele]

YES just like New Labour G. Brown
did that as well.


Suck It Up - I tell them

Not you Joey, though
you are a Good tibber

Well the thing is he wasn't in fact unelected if you and the Conservative party feel it is fine for this leader to do so now.
All the criticism of him as to that should also be void now.

Not for me however, I think he was wrong and I will always say this leader will also, at a more difficult time will also be extremely wrong not to go to the Country.

[MTVN]

I know she did, and we could list some of the positives of pretty much any of the five candidates (and most MPs for that matter) because no one - with few exceptions - are consistently abhorrent on every issue. She does however still have an appalling track record on immigration, was behind the 'go home' vans, said we should seriously consider pulling out of the ECHR (I don't care whether she's changed her position on this in the last week, I wouldn't rule it out), decimated police budgets and frontline officer numbers and decided to bring back the snoopers charter

And I don't really think the attitude change in LGBT rights is a necessary point either, I mean sure it's a good thing, but I'm pretty sure I could find a list of MPs who've been voting in favour of LGBT rights for decades - in fact Jeremy Corbyn is one of them. What's May's excuse?

She is just as appalling a candidate as Leadsom. You know we're ****ed when you wish a pig ****er would stay

Yes but its quite disingenuous to cherry pick her voting record to suggest she's completely opposed to LGBT rights by deliberately omitting her support for one of the most important pieces of LGBT legislation in recent memory. Sure some people were ahead of the times in their support for gay rights but amongst the general public its clearly been a case of slow but steady progression and its quite likely that May has followed a similar path.

With immigration its worth remembering that it was her job to cut the numbers to fulfil a manifesto pledge that the government were elected on. By all intents and purposes she did not clamp down on it as much as many in this country would have liked. Similar story with the police budget as well seeing as every cabinet member was tasked with finding cutbacks in their department. And crime has fallen under her watch, she's battled against abuses in the police force, she's fought to end modern slavery and refused to extradite Gary McKinnon to the USA - none of that ties in with an image of a woman who doesn't care about human rights. Theresa May would never have been my first choice for PM but we can do a lot worse and Leadsom would be a disaster.

[susie q]

Why does it say in the op that one is a mother and one is not? I've not read anywhere on here whether any of the male candidates are fathers.

Good point, it shouldnt matter at all. Although Leadsoms views on maternity leave, (and paternity leave) worry me. They are rights that were hard fought for, and could ultimately lead to children being adversely affected.:shrug:

[Cherie]

Andrea Leadsom called for minimum wage and maternity pay to be scrapped for small business



Andrea Leadsom: 'No minimum wage, no maternity or paternity rights, no unfair dismissal rights, no pension rights'
By Adam Bienkov
Tuesday, 5 July 2016 8:57 AM

People working for the UK's smallest businesses would be stripped of their right to a minimum wage, maternity leave and protection from unfair dismissal, under plans previously backed by one of the favourites to become next Tory leader and prime minister.

Speaking in 2012, Andrea Leadsom told the House of Commons that she would like businesses with three employees or fewer to no longer have to comply with any employment regulations.

"I envisage there being absolutely no regulation whatsoever," she said.

"No minimum wage, no maternity or paternity rights, no unfair dismissal rights, no pension rights—for the smallest companies that are trying to get off the ground, in order to give them a chance."

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The comments contradict a statement she made during the launch of her campaign yesterday, in which she insisted that workers' rights would be "protected and enhanced" under her premiership.

"The national living wage, the apprenticeship levy and Michael Gove’s important pupil premium will all be safe under my watch," she insisted.

However, Leadsom has long been critical of plans to increase the minimum wage. Earlier this year she warned that the government's new 'national living wage' would be a magnet for migrants to the UK.

She said the policy would cause an "inevitable pull factor" which would lead to "the poorest Britons [suffering] the most."

Leadsom is currently gathering momentum in the contest to replace David Cameron. Her socially and economically conservative and religious views have gained popularity from leading figures on the right of the party including Iain Duncan Smith.

“She wants to turn Britain into Singapore on stilts, combined with 1950s social values," one Tory minister told the Times.

The Conservative MP is second favourite with the bookies to become the next Tory leader. A new YouGov poll of party members today found her beating all of her rivals, aside from Theresa May, in a head-to-head contest.

In a straight contest with May, Leadsom has the backing of 31% of members to May's 63%.

However, the race could narrow significantly in the event that Leadsom makes it through to the final round. In three of the past four Tory leadership contests, the front runner in the first round has gone on to lose in the final round, with the candidate viewed as the most Eurosceptic winning in all four.

Leadsom received a major boost to her campaign today, with the backing of former London mayor and leadership hopeful Boris Johnson. Johnson said that Leadsom had the "zap, drive and determination" required to be prime minister.

Today's poll found that the reputation of her nearest rival for second place Michael Gove, has collapsed among party members since his 'betrayal' of Johnson.


Just a third of Tory members now have a positive opinion of him, down from two thirds a week ago.

Supporters of Theresa May told Politics.co.uk they expect Gove to be squeezed out of the final two by Leadsom.

However, Leadsom's inexperience could still cost her a place in the final round after a disappointing performance at the first Conservative leadership hustings last night. Tory MPs described her appearance as "dreadful" and a "car crash".

Her speech, described as "rambling" by Tory MPs afterwards, covered everything from freight train lines, to the brain development of babies.

Leadsom also came under repeated questioning for her strong links to Ukip. The party's leading backer and leadership hopeful Aaron Banks this week threw the weight of his Leave.EU campaign behind her. Supporters of Theresa May believe Leadsom is being backed as part of an attempted Ukip-takeover of the Conservative party. Leadsom told the hustings that she would not take any direct funding for her campaign from Banks or Leave.EU.

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Andrea Leadsom called for minimum wage and maternity pay to be scrapped for small business



Andrea Leadsom: 'No minimum wage, no maternity or paternity rights, no unfair dismissal rights, no pension rights'
By Adam Bienkov
Tuesday, 5 July 2016 8:57 AM

People working for the UK's smallest businesses would be stripped of their right to a minimum wage, maternity leave and protection from unfair dismissal, under plans previously backed by one of the favourites to become next Tory leader and prime minister.

Speaking in 2012, Andrea Leadsom told the House of Commons that she would like businesses with three employees or fewer to no longer have to comply with any employment regulations.

"I envisage there being absolutely no regulation whatsoever," she said.

"No minimum wage, no maternity or paternity rights, no unfair dismissal rights, no pension rights—for the smallest companies that are trying to get off the ground, in order to give them a chance."

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The comments contradict a statement she made during the launch of her campaign yesterday, in which she insisted that workers' rights would be "protected and enhanced" under her premiership.

"The national living wage, the apprenticeship levy and Michael Gove’s important pupil premium will all be safe under my watch," she insisted.

However, Leadsom has long been critical of plans to increase the minimum wage. Earlier this year she warned that the government's new 'national living wage' would be a magnet for migrants to the UK.

She said the policy would cause an "inevitable pull factor" which would lead to "the poorest Britons [suffering] the most."

Leadsom is currently gathering momentum in the contest to replace David Cameron. Her socially and economically conservative and religious views have gained popularity from leading figures on the right of the party including Iain Duncan Smith.

“She wants to turn Britain into Singapore on stilts, combined with 1950s social values," one Tory minister told the Times.

The Conservative MP is second favourite with the bookies to become the next Tory leader. A new YouGov poll of party members today found her beating all of her rivals, aside from Theresa May, in a head-to-head contest.

In a straight contest with May, Leadsom has the backing of 31% of members to May's 63%.

However, the race could narrow significantly in the event that Leadsom makes it through to the final round. In three of the past four Tory leadership contests, the front runner in the first round has gone on to lose in the final round, with the candidate viewed as the most Eurosceptic winning in all four.

Leadsom received a major boost to her campaign today, with the backing of former London mayor and leadership hopeful Boris Johnson. Johnson said that Leadsom had the "zap, drive and determination" required to be prime minister.

Today's poll found that the reputation of her nearest rival for second place Michael Gove, has collapsed among party members since his 'betrayal' of Johnson.


Just a third of Tory members now have a positive opinion of him, down from two thirds a week ago.

Supporters of Theresa May told Politics.co.uk they expect Gove to be squeezed out of the final two by Leadsom.

However, Leadsom's inexperience could still cost her a place in the final round after a disappointing performance at the first Conservative leadership hustings last night. Tory MPs described her appearance as "dreadful" and a "car crash".

Her speech, described as "rambling" by Tory MPs afterwards, covered everything from freight train lines, to the brain development of babies.

Leadsom also came under repeated questioning for her strong links to Ukip. The party's leading backer and leadership hopeful Aaron Banks this week threw the weight of his Leave.EU campaign behind her. Supporters of Theresa May believe Leadsom is being backed as part of an attempted Ukip-takeover of the Conservative party. Leadsom told the hustings that she would not take any direct funding for her campaign from Banks or Leave.EU.

That woman Andrea Leadsom is hiding something definately in my view, I would not trust her in anything whatsoever.

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Leadsom's on the front page of The Times boasting that having children makes her a better candidate, probably knowing full well that Theresa May hasn't been able to conceive children

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It will be Theresa May that will win without any shadow of a doubt.

She is a clone of David Cameron. She is a true Conservative that will keep the rich richer and the poor poorer. She will give into those unelected muppets in Brussels who demand the free movement of people if the UK stays in the Single market, and believe you me, she would never leave the single market as I heard her say in a speech after Brexit, so immigration levels will continue to rise under her rule and she don't care at all.