Lessons in history from the "Original Brexit"

[Liberty4eva]

This post is mostly for Remainers.

By the "original Brexit" I mean the American War for Independence (1775-1783). I saw this posted on the 4th of July by an American who is very well-read in history. He goes into the parallels with Brexit and the American Revolution and I believe he is spot on. The Remainers (Toy Soldier, Cherie, etc.) should listen because I think there's an outside chance they would have an ear for what history teaches us. ;)

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[kirklancaster]

This post is mostly for Remainers.

By the "original Brexit" I mean the American War for Independence (1775-1783). I saw this posted on the 4th of July by an American who is very well-read in history. He goes into the parallels with Brexit and the American Revolution and I believe he is spot on. The Remainers (Toy Soldier, Cherie, etc.) should listen because I think there's an outside chance they would have an ear for what history teaches us. ;)

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TOY SOLDIER??? Listen. :laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

Oh ffs I actually watched that waiting for the "lesson". Spoilers: He just says "Britain will be OK cos America was OK".

It doesn't even attempt to equate the two events (because you can't because they aren't even similar) other than to say that "People thought the Americans who wanted independence were stray'dup crazy too y'awl". Come on. I was at least expecting some dubious parallels to be drawn for me to dismiss... but he didn't even bother to make any.

Because the links between a 250 year old Colonial independence event and a vote to withdraw voluntarily from a trading collective of individual nations are tenuous at absolute best, and more accurately, laughable. All you've done here Liberty is demonstrate (or rather, confirm) that you have very little understanding of European politics.

I mean c'mon. Even Kirk isn't trying to pretend that the two are similar and he'll latch onto pretty much ANY pro-Brexit propaganda.

The guy in the video is at least right about one thing though. He *is* obnoxious :joker:

TOY SOLDIER??? Listen. :laugh:

Always willing to listen Kirk, it's not my fault that what I'm listening to is people constantly slavering bull****.

[Liberty4eva]

Oh ffs I actually watched that waiting for the "lesson". Spoilers: He just says "Britain will be OK cos America was OK".

It doesn't even attempt to equate the two events (because you can't because they aren't even similar) other than to say that "People thought the Americans who wanted independence were stray'dup crazy too y'awl". Come on. I was at least expecting some dubious parallels to be drawn for me to dismiss... but he didn't even bother to make any.

Because the links between a 250 year old Colonial independence event and a vote to withdraw voluntarily from a trading collective of individual nations are tenuous at absolute best, and more accurately, laughable. All you've done here Liberty is demonstrate (or rather, confirm) that you have very little understanding of European politics.

I mean c'mon. Even Kirk isn't trying to pretend that the two are similar and he'll latch onto pretty much ANY pro-Brexit propaganda.

The guy in the video is at least right about one thing though. He *is* obnoxious :joker:



Always willing to listen Kirk, it's not my fault that what I'm listening to is people constantly slavering bull****.

Sigh, there were many parallels listed and I'm annoyed I have to spell them out.

Everyone thought the founders were crazy thinking they could create an independent country that could stand on its own two feet in the world. And actually, you could argue that the founders faced a bigger challenge as the US had no history of working together. He makes the point that not everyone in the US wanted independence just like not everyone in the UK and there were regions in the US that didn't want it (New York was the Scotland in its day). He makes the point that heavy trading that existed in colonial times continued a few years after the war meaning suggesting that trade will continue between the UK and Europe.

There are other points but, in all honesty, this is just a half-hearted response to your post. I know it won't make any difference. I have accepted that some people are just content with their own ignorance. And when you argue with them it's like rolling around with a pig in mud: eventually you realize that the pig likes it. :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

TS and Cherie outed as ringleaders

:omgno:

[Cherie]

TS and Cherie outed as ringleaders

:omgno:

:fist:

Liberty you seem to want to liberate us so that we can be Americanised

Independence Day
A Presidential style election
The United States of Europe

:idc:

[Toy Soldier]

He draws flimsy parallels based on the barmy notion that a 21st century corporate / capitalist democracy is in any way comparable to 18th century colonial America. It isn't.

[reece(:]

i'm sure this Brexit will follow the exact same suit as 1776.... :facepalm:

[Toy Soldier]

i'm sure this Brexit will follow the exact same suit as 1776.... :facepalm:
I personally can't wait for the industrial revolution, that's when it should really start to come together.

[Liberty4eva]

i'm sure this Brexit will follow the exact same suit as 1776.... :facepalm:

It is silly to argue that it is a perfect comparison but it is the closest event in history to brexit. Can you think of one that is closer? (Half-expecting a wise - guy response)

[Liberty4eva]

:fist:

Liberty you seem to want to liberate us so that we can be Americanised

Independence Day
A Presidential style election
The United States of Europe

:idc:

No but I am aware that I can offer a different perspective on things because my background is different than most members of TIBB.

[kirklancaster]

:fist:

Liberty you seem to want to liberate us so that we can be Americanised

Independence Day
A Presidential style election
The United States of Europe

:idc:

:laugh::laugh::laugh: This GENUINELY had me LOLLING. :nono: You naughty Cherie. :hee:

[lostalex]

does anyone really think the sky is still falling? c'mon it's been a few weeks now, calm down. the sky isn't falling, don't let the fear mongers get to you. The truth is, yes, it's scary, new things are, changes are tough. we all know that. but where the **** is that famous stiff upper lip? Man THE **** UP BRITAIN. You've turned a corner now.

think of it this way. if you do go crawling back to the EU, you will forever be the sniveling little thing that begged for forgiveness. you've already lost your power in the EU. even if you did stay in the EU you've lost any power you had. it's pathetic.

man up, respect the decision made by the people and work your ****ing asses off to make it work for everyone, just like America did. It's not gonna work if you keep bickering and second guessing everything. Get that upper lip in proper Britih stiffness, and work together!

If you can't all work together it won't work, and you are just sabotaging yourselves. Better Together.