Muslim Veils

[GlitterEyes]

There was alot of talk a while ago about muslim veils and if women should wear them in schools, work etc. I am wondering what your views are on wearing these veils while driving? For me I would think they are quite dangerous and they must hinder visibility whilst driving a car?

I don't know anyone who wears them & I would of thought that if they hindered driving something would be set in stone about it. Are all types of veils allowed during driving or just certain kinds? Is wearing a muslim veil a security risk? Do you know anyone who wears a veil?

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/4908/veilsnt7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[easypeasy]

I think they should be banned everywhere. they are a security risk.

[GlitterEyes]

Yeah read somewhere that a guy wore one and catched a plane saying he was his sister or something recently and nobody suspected a thing because he was hidden behind the veil. I can understand the religious reasons behind them but at airports more checks need to be carried out.

[secrets]

they should be banned.
if muslims can wear veils i should be allowed to NOT wear a seatbelt ,crash helmet, as its against my beliefs.:spin2:
not only that but this veil thingy gives me the creeps.:conf2:

[easypeasy]

i really dont understand why people want to move to a western cultured country and not actually embrace it. wearing a veil is just purely ignorent of our culture and quite an insult because it assumes that western men are nothing but dogs who will lust after muslim women.

[secrets]

Originally posted by easypeasy
i really dont understand why people want to move to a western cultured country and not actually embrace it. wearing a veil is just purely ignorent of our culture and quite an insult because it assumes that western men are nothing but dogs who will lust after muslim women.

HEAR HEAR.
at least the french are doing things right.if they choose to live in France they have to live by french law with no exception.

[zachary]

I think the veil should be banned....hijabs (scarfs) are ok because you can see the persons face but the full veils are too much plus they kinda scare me.

I think if you ban the covering of the head then other religious groups such as Judaism will also face fire because they will be saying if your gona ban scarves and veils why not ban the Tichel which is a scarf similar to the hijab that Jewish women wear.

[zachary]

Originally posted by easypeasy
i really dont understand why people want to move to a western cultured country and not actually embrace it. wearing a veil is just purely ignorent of our culture and quite an insult because it assumes that western men are nothing but dogs who will lust after muslim women.

I don't agree with you. I think that people should embrace the western culture but not forget their own culture.

What your saying is that when you see a Jew with a kippa, and Indian in a sari or a rastafarian...you think they are being ignorant toward the western culture? I think not.

Western culture sort of sucks compared to others...such as issues regarding sex, women, drugs and alcohol.

[easypeasy]

nope i purely meant that a major part of being a westerner is the fact that you dont hide your face, ive got nothing against anyone wearing anything to cover their body.

[easypeasy]

as for women and drugs, Id rather see women treated as equals, and the muslim words attitude to drugs sucks because you gotta ask yourself where exactly are the poppy fields that fund the taliban?

[secrets]

Originally posted by zacharybinx
Originally posted by easypeasy
i really dont understand why people want to move to a western cultured country and not actually embrace it. wearing a veil is just purely ignorent of our culture and quite an insult because it assumes that western men are nothing but dogs who will lust after muslim women.

I don't agree with you. I think that people should embrace the western culture but not forget their own culture.

What your saying is that when you see a Jew with a kippa, and Indian in a sari or a rastafarian...you think they are being ignorant toward the western culture? I think not.

Western culture sort of sucks compared to others...such as issues regarding sex, women, drugs and alcohol.


i dont think you know what you are talking of.
i suggest you spend time in the middle east.
woman are treated disgustingly,they are just servants to the men.:sad:
i have seen such beautiful girls reduced to a life of drudgery.
and they still practice female circumcision which is appalling and inhumane.:yuk:
i have yet to meet an arab man who does,nt drink alcohol given the chance.drugs are widely used as well.of course its against their religion but given they pray 5 times and more each day it seems its all ok.:thumbs:
its a mans world and woman have no rights.
i have lived in arab countries and have seen it first hand.
please get your facts right.
one things for sure you would,nt have freedom of speech.:nono:

[The_Hitman]

No rules of religion should infringe on the laws of a country.

If the laws of your religion contradict the laws of a country its tough, go somewhere where your oppressive religions rules can be adhered to.

[Lauren]

I may seem harsh but I refuse to speak to anyone where I can't see their full face. If someone wearing a balaclava started talking to me I would blank them, because I couldn't see their facial reactions and it's not really a conversation. Similarly if a women wearing a face veil was talking to me I'd blank her too.

They pose a security risk, they would never let anyone through an airport wearing a balaclava because of the same reason. It's difficult to identify anyone wearing a veil and it could easily just be men (or female terrorists) dressed in this gear and no-one would be able to recognise them cos they'll all look the same.

I don't see why they should wear the full-body/face veil to follow their culture when there are more subtle veils out there that also follow their culture while still embracing our Western culture.

Originally posted by secrets
i dont think you know what you are talking of.
i suggest you spend time in the middle east.


Sorry, but if you were talking to Zachary his location clearly shows he has spent time in Tel Aviv.

[The_Hitman]

Originally posted by Lauren

Originally posted by secrets
i dont think you know what you are talking of.
i suggest you spend time in the middle east.


Sorry, but if you were talking to Zachary his location clearly shows he has spent time in Tel Aviv.

I noticed that, but its still true, he doesnt sound like he knows what hes on about.

[GiRTh]

I agree with Zachary (and that MUST be a first). If someones religion does not break the law then they have the right to dress and act how they want; as long they are not breaking any laws.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by The_Hitman
Originally posted by Lauren

Originally posted by secrets
i dont think you know what you are talking of.
i suggest you spend time in the middle east.


Sorry, but if you were talking to Zachary his location clearly shows he has spent time in Tel Aviv.

I noticed that, but its still true, he doesnt sound like he knows what hes on about.

LOL! Well he might just have a different view.

Personally I disagree with what Zachary said about Westernised Culture being degrading compared to Middle Eastern. Especially when women are being forced into marriages, being circumcised, forced into veils (Although this is debateable), and treat as slaves to their husbands.

[zachary]

Originally posted by secrets
Originally posted by zacharybinx
Originally posted by easypeasy
i really dont understand why people want to move to a western cultured country and not actually embrace it. wearing a veil is just purely ignorent of our culture and quite an insult because it assumes that western men are nothing but dogs who will lust after muslim women.

I don't agree with you. I think that people should embrace the western culture but not forget their own culture.

What your saying is that when you see a Jew with a kippa, and Indian in a sari or a rastafarian...you think they are being ignorant toward the western culture? I think not.

Western culture sort of sucks compared to others...such as issues regarding sex, women, drugs and alcohol.


i dont think you know what you are talking of.
i suggest you spend time in the middle east.
woman are treated disgustingly,they are just servants to the men.:sad:
i have seen such beautiful girls reduced to a life of drudgery.
and they still practice female circumcision which is appalling and inhumane.:yuk:
i have yet to meet an arab man who does,nt drink alcohol given the chance.drugs are widely used as well.of course its against their religion but given they pray 5 times and more each day it seems its all ok.:thumbs:
its a mans world and woman have no rights.
i have lived in arab countries and have seen it first hand.
please get your facts right.
one things for sure you would,nt have freedom of speech.:nono:

Um, I have spent time in the Middle East, darlin.

Why are we talking about women right now? I thought this was a thread about veils.

Now, your just generalising, not all Muslim women are treated as 'slaves', not all Arabs drink and take drugs and as for female circumsision, I can't really comment as I have little knowledge about it.

And, what do you mean that I would have no freedom of speech?

[The_Hitman]

Originally posted by zacharybinx

And, what do you mean that I would have no freedom of speech?



We wouldnt be able to hear you through your veil.

[zachary]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by The_Hitman
Originally posted by Lauren

Originally posted by secrets
i dont think you know what you are talking of.
i suggest you spend time in the middle east.


Sorry, but if you were talking to Zachary his location clearly shows he has spent time in Tel Aviv.

I noticed that, but its still true, he doesnt sound like he knows what hes on about.

LOL! Well he might just have a different view.

Personally I disagree with what Zachary said about Westernised Culture being degrading compared to Middle Eastern. Especially when women are being forced into marriages, being circumcised, forced into veils (Although this is debateable), and treat as slaves to their husbands.

I didn't mean it in that way...I meant that the Western way of women dressing to showing off skin and other cultures look down upon this way of dressing as unrespectful.

[zachary]

Originally posted by The_Hitman
Originally posted by zacharybinx

And, what do you mean that I would have no freedom of speech?



We wouldnt be able to hear you through your veil.

Why would I wear a veil?

[secrets]

Originally posted by zacharybinx
Originally posted by secrets
Originally posted by zacharybinx
Originally posted by easypeasy
i really dont understand why people want to move to a western cultured country and not actually embrace it. wearing a veil is just purely ignorent of our culture and quite an insult because it assumes that western men are nothing but dogs who will lust after muslim women.

I don't agree with you. I think that people should embrace the western culture but not forget their own culture.

What your saying is that when you see a Jew with a kippa, and Indian in a sari or a rastafarian...you think they are being ignorant toward the western culture? I think not.

Western culture sort of sucks compared to others...such as issues regarding sex, women, drugs and alcohol.


i dont think you know what you are talking of.
i suggest you spend time in the middle east.
woman are treated disgustingly,they are just servants to the men.:sad:
i have seen such beautiful girls reduced to a life of drudgery.
and they still practice female circumcision which is appalling and inhumane.:yuk:
i have yet to meet an arab man who does,nt drink alcohol given the chance.drugs are widely used as well.of course its against their religion but given they pray 5 times and more each day it seems its all ok.:thumbs:
its a mans world and woman have no rights.
i have lived in arab countries and have seen it first hand.
please get your facts right.
one things for sure you would,nt have freedom of speech.:nono:

Um, I have spent time in the Middle East, darlin.

Why are we talking about women right now? I thought this was a thread about veils.

Now, your just generalising, not all Muslim women are treated as 'slaves', not all Arabs drink and take drugs and as for female circumsision, I can't really comment as I have little knowledge about it.

And, what do you mean that I would have no freedom of speech?

for goodness sake,Tel aviv is hardly a strictly arab city.
no the christians in arab countries do treat their woman well as a rule,but the arab culture generally treat woman as subservient.you must live a very sheltered life if you claim to know the Middle East so well and hav,nt noticed the appalling treatment of woman.
most do not wish to wear the veil and nothing in the koran states that they should.! its a man thing and a means of control.
i have never seen such cruelty to people and animals in my life that i have seen in that part of the world.
i suggest you go visit and speak out loud about anything controversal and you would soon be put in your place,and possibly locked away..another thing is you dont go around calling people you do not know, darlin.!
obviously you cannot see very well or you would see the arabs asking westerners for alcohol every single day.
as for drugs,the most popular and widely available is Bango and cannabis.
another thing is that stealing and robbery is rife.
i guess you are now going to call me a liar.?i have no reason to lie but i am telling it as it is.

[J.C.]

I do not wish this to be offensive, but I can`t stand all these rediculous clothing items worn by both men and woman in the name of religion.

All these things have been introduced through the total insecurity of men.

The veils were obviously introduced by an influential man who was torn inside with raging jealousy everytime another man looked at `his`lady.

The Jewish Kippah must have been introduced by a powerfull religious leader who couldn`t face the fact that he was bald.

Monks shaved on the back of their heads for a similar reason,only
different in that this leader obviously had one of those more circular bald
features, or otherwise had to find an alternative to the cap as it had already been reserved.

Even religion itself was mainly introduced to ease the burden associated with death..... life after death,The eternal life, Martyrs, etc etc....If I believed in miracles then I might just believe in a journey after death.But sadly I don`t,and thats the point, because I would like to,the demand is certainly there, as it would have been years ago,even more so back then before modern science.

These clothing items are so ingrained with tradition that it just wouldn`t be fair to ban them, other than when it presents direct issues of security,communication etc.etc Its stuff we have to live with whilst this delusion exists,and that will be forever, until the end of time when the world is blown up in a war,and yes, that too will be in the name of religion.

I really do sincerely apologise to anyone who finds my opinion offensive but I will live with your choices and hope you will live with my opinions.

Make my day and change my mind, but if you try to, please give me some proper evidence.
I accept that western culture is not perfect and this is not even a defence of it, but for a woman to be almost entirely covered is simply not right, in my opinion.If you tell me that its their own choice and that they are happy with it, then Iwould simply say that it is because of forced conditioning from a very young age,afterall we all listen to our mothers and fathers.
So with the veil ,I believe there should be a partial ban only .

[secrets]

an excellent post JC.

[J.C.]

Originally posted by secrets
an excellent post JC.

Thats very kind of you.Thank you.:thumbs:

[Siouxsie]

Ban them I refused to teach a kid wearing one in our school. As lauren says it hides their identity. If they are to live in our country they should abide by our way of life. IMO

[MarkWaldorf]

TBH I've never encountered/spoke to someone wearing a veil. But if I did, it would be pretty rude as I wouldn't see who I'm talking to, and as Lauren said, it hides their identity.

[secrets]

Originally posted by Markus™
TBH I've never encountered/spoke to someone wearing a veil. But if I did, it would be pretty rude as I wouldn't see who I'm talking to, and as Lauren said, it hides their identity.


hear hear,absolutely true.:thumbs:

[secrets]

Originally posted by Siouxsie
Ban them I refused to teach a kid wearing one in our school. As lauren says it hides their identity. If they are to live in our country they should abide by our way of life. IMO


true true true,if they cant live by the British way of life they should push off to an arab country.
why should the rules bend for them.:nono:

[J.C.]

Originally posted by Siouxsie
Ban them I refused to teach a kid wearing one in our school. As lauren says it hides their identity. If they are to live in our country they should abide by our way of life. IMO

Are you saying that you feel they should be banned outright
and made illegal anywhere in the uk under all circumstances,
including homes,places of worship,private gatherings etc ?

I am also curious about your own situation at your school.Was the Head concerned about the possible legal implications.I heard recently about a school facing the prospect of having to pay nearly £1/2 millon to defend their actions similar to yours.(except it was the teacher not the pupil wearing one)

Don`t get me wrong,I dislike the veils myself and I understand your position completely ,but it is a very tricky area and thats why I beleive it should be a partial ban,which would probably include areas of communication such as schools, but an outright ban seems a step too far IMO.

[GlitterEyes]

I think wearing whatever they want at home is upto them but it seems be double standards happening alot. People are not allowed to wear "hoodies" in main shopping places as people cannot see who they are...yet people are allowed to wear veils.

[~Kizwiz~]

Unfortunately these garments are a way of life for some people and nothing is going to change this fact.

Personally I don't find hijab or shayla offensive but I am very intimated by the niqab or burqa. The latter two are the types of veil for the face that leaves the area around the eyes clear or covers the entire face and body, leaving just a mesh screen to see through.

[ttw]

Originally posted by J.C.
I do not wish this to be offensive, but I can`t stand all these rediculous clothing items worn by both men and woman in the name of religion.

All these things have been introduced through the total insecurity of men.

The veils were obviously introduced by an influential man who was torn inside with raging jealousy everytime another man looked at `his`lady.

The Jewish Kippah must have been introduced by a powerfull religious leader who couldn`t face the fact that he was bald.

Monks shaved on the back of their heads for a similar reason,only
different in that this leader obviously had one of those more circular bald
features, or otherwise had to find an alternative to the cap as it had already been reserved.

Even religion itself was mainly introduced to ease the burden associated with death..... life after death,The eternal life, Martyrs, etc etc....If I believed in miracles then I might just believe in a journey after death.But sadly I don`t,and thats the point, because I would like to,the demand is certainly there, as it would have been years ago,even more so back then before modern science.

These clothing items are so ingrained with tradition that it just wouldn`t be fair to ban them, other than when it presents direct issues of security,communication etc.etc Its stuff we have to live with whilst this delusion exists,and that will be forever, until the end of time when the world is blown up in a war,and yes, that too will be in the name of religion.

I really do sincerely apologise to anyone who finds my opinion offensive but I will live with your choices and hope you will live with my opinions.

Make my day and change my mind, but if you try to, please give me some proper evidence.
I accept that western culture is not perfect and this is not even a defence of it, but for a woman to be almost entirely covered is simply not right, in my opinion.If you tell me that its their own choice and that they are happy with it, then Iwould simply say that it is because of forced conditioning from a very young age,afterall we all listen to our mothers and fathers.
So with the veil ,I believe there should be a partial ban only .

:hello: Spot on agreed with everything.

[ttw]

Although I do not like religion, I respect that people are religious and that their religion holds certain traditions.

I do not think it fair to say "ban them completely" or "if they're in our country do as we do"... It is pretty much like saying "if ur gna wear that veil you can **** off home"

If they do not abide with certain laws then it is understandable, but we have to be tolerable of other people's cultures, religions as you would expect other people to be of yours, and not just shun them because you do not undertand them.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by ttw
Although I do not like religion, I respect that people are religious and that their religion holds certain traditions.

I do not think it fair to say "ban them completely" or "if they're in our country do as we do"... It is pretty much like saying "if ur gna wear that veil you can **** off home"

If they do not abide with certain laws then it is understandable, but we have to be tolerable of other people's cultures, religions as you would expect other people to be of yours, and not just shun them because you do not undertand them. but muslims are very intolerent of other religions in muslim countries. you should read up on what the word "dhimmitude" means.

[easypeasy]

heres an example of muslim "tolerance".....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

[ttw]

Originally posted by easypeasy
Originally posted by ttw
Although I do not like religion, I respect that people are religious and that their religion holds certain traditions.

I do not think it fair to say "ban them completely" or "if they're in our country do as we do"... It is pretty much like saying "if ur gna wear that veil you can **** off home"

If they do not abide with certain laws then it is understandable, but we have to be tolerable of other people's cultures, religions as you would expect other people to be of yours, and not just shun them because you do not undertand them. but muslims are very intolerent of other religions in muslim countries. you should read up on what the word "dhimmitude" means.

All religions are intolerable, as they suggest there is only one god, and their god and they have no respect for other religions.

But of course you are right, muslims are intolerable of other religions , therefore lets not respect them hey ...:rolleyes:

[easypeasy]

christianity doesnt advocate the murder of people who do not worship christ.....

"A Turk who claims to be a descendant of Islam's prophet Muhammad has converted to Christianity while living in Germany.

But Sedar Dedeoglu, of Luedenscheid, now faces a threat to his life if he's forced to return to Turkey, and is seeking help from German authorities.

Dedeoglu, who is involved in Christian outreach programs among Muslims, has been receiving death threats from Muslims unwilling to accept his conversion. His relatives also regard the apostasy as shameful.

If Dedeoglu is returned to his native country, he very likely would be killed, his lawyer says."

[ttw]

Right... I see you obviously have a strong problem with Muslims.

[easypeasy]

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58:

Narrated Abu Burda:

Abu Musa said, "I came to the Prophet along with two men (from the tribe) of Ash'ariyin, one on my right and the other on my left, while Allah's Apostle was brushing his teeth (with a Siwak), and both men asked him for some employment. The Prophet said, 'O Abu Musa (O 'Abdullah bin Qais!).' I said, 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, these two men did not tell me what was in their hearts and I did not feel (realize) that they were seeking employment.' As if I were looking now at his Siwak being drawn to a corner under his lips, and he said, 'We never (or, we do not) appoint for our affairs anyone who seeks to be employed. But O Abu Musa! (or 'Abdullah bin Qais!) Go to Yemen.'" The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'"

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by ttw
Right... I see you obviously have a strong problem with Muslims. i have a problem with most religions, yes my greatest problem is with Islam.

[ttw]

Originally posted by easypeasy
Originally posted by ttw
Right... I see you obviously have a strong problem with Muslims. i have a problem with most religions, yes my greatest problem is with Islam.

I too am not religious, and do not agree with religions.

But too completely generalise is unfair. And to ban a veil because it is not the traditional custom of British people is unfair.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by ttw
Originally posted by easypeasy
Originally posted by ttw
Right... I see you obviously have a strong problem with Muslims. i have a problem with most religions, yes my greatest problem is with Islam.

I too am not religious, and do not agree with religions.

But too completely generalise is unfair. And to ban a veil because it is not the traditional custom of British people is unfair. Im not opposed to all religions even though i dont have faith in them, peaceful religions like buddism and rastafarianism are acceptable, they dont see violence as a way of dominating the world.
Also of course people vary in their adherence to their religion. It just seems that Islam is the religion of terror and hate rather than love and peace, If i was a christian i would go as far as to say Mohammed is the false prophet the bible warned us about.

[Sunny_01]

I feel that they should not be worn in public places. In this era of increasing fear of terrorism it seems inappropriate for our country to allow someone to walk around with their faces covered, yet a kid can not wear a hoodie as it covers their faces!! kind of contradicts itself doesnt it!

[J.C.]

Originally posted by easypeasy
heres an example of muslim "tolerance".....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

Thanks for the link.

I must admit that these examples of intolerance make me angry inside,especially when it happens in our own country.
I am also infuriated how few muslim leaders stand up and unconditionally condemn the actions of extremists.
However lets not match intolerance with intolerance,that surely will put us all in the same boat.We should ban some of the veil types when it presents critical problems in terms of security and important unavoidable communication such as schools and in the work place.However most of the time it can be our choice to avoid it.Personally, I'm not that interested in holding a conversation with someone who has their face completely covered.
I thought the story about barbers being warned of violence against them for shaving customers was horrendous.I don't even know what this beard thing is about to be honest??(can anyone explain this to me)
Our freedom of choice is being pushed to the limits but I still think we should stand strong and hope eventually they will realise that some of their actions are infact beyond the reasonable.I still think it must be a partial ban,and obviously not all types of veils.

[ttw]

Originally posted by easypeasy
Originally posted by ttw
Originally posted by easypeasy
Originally posted by ttw
Right... I see you obviously have a strong problem with Muslims. i have a problem with most religions, yes my greatest problem is with Islam.

I too am not religious, and do not agree with religions.

But too completely generalise is unfair. And to ban a veil because it is not the traditional custom of British people is unfair. Im not opposed to all religions even though i dont have faith in them, peaceful religions like buddism and rastafarianism are acceptable, they dont see violence as a way of dominating the world.
Also of course people vary in their adherence to their religion. It just seems that Islam is the religion of terror and hate rather than love and peace, If i was a christian i would go as far as to say Mohammed is the false prophet the bible warned us about.

Why do you believe this? Because of the bombings?

[easypeasy]

not just the bombings but the kidnappings, gleeful beheadings, medievil treatment of women (including female circumcism and public stoning to death of pregnant women), the acts of pedophilia both in the qur'an and modern life (adults marrying 4 year old girls etc), the honour killing of female children in the name of allah, the fact that music was illegal under taliban rule in Afghanistan, need i go on?
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/7359/beheadir1.th.jpg (http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beheadir1.jpg)

[easypeasy]

and to show you the music vid that is passed around many a british mosque that celebrates the act of killing non believers of islam follow this link to youtube.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3efv4oIdRY4
a "kuffar" is a non believer. just listen to these british muslims laughing their asses off at the thought of september 11th.........

[easypeasy]

Strike off the head of the infidels. Cut off every finger tip (Sura 8:12)

If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will punish him (Sura 9:39).

[secrets]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I feel that they should not be worn in public places. In this era of increasing fear of terrorism it seems inappropriate for our country to allow someone to walk around with their faces covered, yet a kid can not wear a hoodie as it covers their faces!! kind of contradicts itself doesnt it!

agreed and spot on.!
seeing people completely covered is quite scary,even my dogs are terrified of them.:dog:

[SiMoN!]

Originally posted by Lauren
I may seem harsh but I refuse to speak to anyone where I can't see their full face.


OMG that made me laf

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by easypeasy
and to show you the music vid that is passed around many a british mosque that celebrates the act of killing non believers of islam follow this link to youtube.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3efv4oIdRY4
a "kuffar" is a non believer. just listen to these british muslims laughing their asses off at the thought of september 11th.........

I watched this link.... I am truly shocked, as you said, but the laughing :bored:

I am disgusted that this is being passed around british mosques

[J.C.]

^ Interesting to see that the above youtube video has been taken off.

I must admit I'm slightly changing my opinion on this banning business.I think that the issue is almost entirely about the conditioning by parents, particularly fathers,on their daughters, and effectively pressurizing them into wearing the Niqab and Burqa.This is a step too far and does infringe on a child's human right to independent choice.This type of influence is not really the freedom of choice that our western culture has grown to enjoy,and on that basis I think there is more justification for a full ban on the Niqab and Burqa.

When I see someone wearing a Burqa I see a woman imprisoned !

Or, if not that, something unknown and a possible security risk.

It would still be very tricky to make a ban tho, but at least for once the Euro Parliament would not veto it, as France have already set a precedent, I believe.

[easypeasy]

hmmm yep interesting to see that video has been banned......
this git is still on youtube spitting his bile though.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTcPGj3G_s8

[abs]

dont tarnish all muslims with the same brush!

its like saying all footballers want sex with every willing woman going & they all want fast cars! people like paul scholes are a fine & very rare example of good examples. the same with muslims (& other people in other proffessions in general). yes, the majority which is usually the bad side will always be in the public eye, but what about those that are good examples!?!?

http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/

its better to take the religion for WHAT it is, not from those that are bad examples (the majority) & make things harder for those who are actually good examples (the minority).

its like saying all people that live in council estates are chavs, every teenager that wears a hoddie is a knightmare, people that drink alchohol are alchoholics, every english person drinks tea, all americans support bush, every muslim is a terrorist, every muslim woman is oppressed! come on. yes, many muslim people put culture before the actual islamic teachings, but if you look at the islamic teachings (via the link above) you will see that many muslims put culture first, which is of course wrong.

& as you can see (in the link above), the minority of good muslims was fighting terrorism way before sept 11th!

:thumbs:

SHAIKH IBN AL-UTHAIMEEN ADVISES MUSLIMS HOW TO LIVE AMONGST NON-MUSLIMS IN THE WEST…

http://salaf.com/category/terrorism/

WOMEN & ISLAM (from a Muslim womans view)...

http://www.theislamblog.com/archive/experiences-of-a-hindu-woman-who-chose-islam/

http://www.theislamblog.com/archive/category/women-and-islam/the-hijab-and-veil/

TIMES ARTICLE...

http://www.theislamblog.com/archive/times-article-why-british-women-are-turning-to-islam/

CONVERTS...

http://www.theislamblog.com/archive/category/converts-to-islam/

i hope these few links will give a bigger picture! remember - Education is Key!!!

[rex3]

Originally posted by abs
dont tarnish all muslims with the same brush!

its like saying all footballers want sex with every willing woman going & they all want fast cars! people like paul scholes are a fine & very rare example of good examples. the same with muslims (& other people in other proffessions in general). yes, the majority which is usually the bad side will always be in the public eye, but what about those that are good examples!?!?

http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/

its better to take the religion for WHAT it is, not from those that are bad examples (the majority) & make things harder for those who are actually good examples (the minority).

its like saying all people that live in council estates are chavs, every teenager that wears a hoddie is a knightmare, people that drink alchohol are alchoholics, every english person drinks tea, all americans support bush, every muslim is a terrorist, every muslim woman is oppressed! come on. yes, many muslim people put culture before the actual islamic teachings, but if you look at the islamic teachings (via the link above) you will see that many muslims put culture first, which is of course wrong.

& as you can see (in the link above), the minority of good muslims was fighting terrorism way before sept 11th!

:thumbs:

SHAIKH IBN AL-UTHAIMEEN ADVISES MUSLIMS HOW TO LIVE AMONGST NON-MUSLIMS IN THE WEST…

http://salaf.com/category/terrorism/

WOMEN & ISLAM (from a Muslim womans view)...

http://www.theislamblog.com/archive/experiences-of-a-hindu-woman-who-chose-islam/

http://www.theislamblog.com/archive/category/women-and-islam/the-hijab-and-veil/

TIMES ARTICLE...

http://www.theislamblog.com/archive/times-article-why-british-women-are-turning-to-islam/

CONVERTS...

http://www.theislamblog.com/archive/category/converts-to-islam/

i hope these few links will give a bigger picture! remember - Education is Key!!!

i agree with you abs, i just cant believe you needed to say that...

[abs]

it had to be said because it seemed like everyone couldn't see the bigger picture, hence why i used other examples.