View Full Version : Leadsom has quit Tory leadership bid
Crimson Dynamo
11-07-2016, 11:00 AM
breaking
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3683668/Andrea-Leadsom-says-sorry-motherhood-row-Tory-leadership-hopeful-apologises-Theresa-following-comments-better-PM-children.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/10/23/3619185800000578-3683668-image-a-53_1468190624697.jpg
arista
11-07-2016, 11:00 AM
Right Change PM NOW
Source : LBC Theo
_Tom_
11-07-2016, 11:04 AM
I hope she doesn't quit but after those smears who can blame her?
arista
11-07-2016, 11:07 AM
Fecking BBC DP
to slow
LBC told me 30mins ago,
Thank You (LBC Theo)
Crimson Dynamo
11-07-2016, 11:07 AM
well if she gives up over that she has no business even trying
arista
11-07-2016, 11:08 AM
I hope she doesn't quit but after those smears who can blame her?
Its Not up to her.
Backers Matter
Learn History
Correct the Future
Braden
11-07-2016, 11:17 AM
I'm actually shocked that she's quit. What happens now as a result? Theresa May is the Prime Minister just like that?
Crimson Dynamo
11-07-2016, 11:24 AM
I'm actually shocked that she's quit. What happens now as a result? Theresa May is the Prime Minister just like that?
the 1922 committee could still put up another candidate but unlikely
Crimson Dynamo
11-07-2016, 11:24 AM
I think it sounds like perhaps her tax returns are not as they should be
:think:
_Tom_
11-07-2016, 11:38 AM
Leadsom would have been a breath of fresh air for politics, with May it will be 4 more years of the same old BS. :bored:
user104658
11-07-2016, 11:45 AM
Leadsom would have been a breath of fresh air for politics, with May it will be 4 more years of the same old BS. :bored:
Impossible, surely. We have Brexit so it's a brave new world etc etc everything will change etc etc etc.
Crimson Dynamo
11-07-2016, 11:49 AM
Her statement was so full of BS. Why cant people just tell the truth?
Black Dagger
11-07-2016, 11:56 AM
What a waste of time this bellend was.
arista
11-07-2016, 12:06 PM
What a waste of time this bellend was.
Yes we need Rory Bremner Show
back on CH4HD
BBC scared of what he says
FECk the bbc
arista
11-07-2016, 12:07 PM
tY9yKbGCF-U
arista
11-07-2016, 12:12 PM
Impossible, surely. We have Brexit so it's a brave new world etc etc everything will change etc etc etc.
TS sir
will you Jump Ship to us
or Join the Deadly€
In the Words of Big Brother
"You Decide"
bliss
user104658
11-07-2016, 12:21 PM
TS sir
will you Jump Ship to us
or Join the Deadly€
In the Words of Big Brother
"You Decide"
bliss
Me personally? I will wait here, bent over with puckered arsehole, waiting sadly but patiently to be shafted by whoever it is that happens to be doing the shafting. It's the only sensible choice. Prep the sacrotuberous ligaments, lube up and relax.
Firewire
11-07-2016, 12:45 PM
What a waste of time this bellend was.
:joker: my thoughts exactly
Good, didn't like her anyway
arista
11-07-2016, 12:56 PM
Me personally? I will wait here, bent over with puckered arsehole, waiting sadly but patiently to be shafted by whoever it is that happens to be doing the shafting. It's the only sensible choice. Prep the sacrotuberous ligaments, lube up and relax.
It takes Time to Get into the €
We are Busy down here Mate
Setting up China Direct
USA , Canada Direct ETC
FECK EU HARD
arista
11-07-2016, 12:57 PM
Good, didn't like her anyway
How Nice
...encouraging..even the candidates that are applying are abandoning ship as well...very reassuring indeed....
Crimson Dynamo
11-07-2016, 01:04 PM
...encouraging..even the candidates that are applying are abandoning ship as well...very reassuring indeed....
I think this may have been more to do with her tax returns than anything else
arista
11-07-2016, 01:09 PM
I think this may have been more to do with her tax returns than anything else
Yes Backers
left her Ship
.... Ship Ahoy There ... my feelas
New PM T. May
NO Election - joey
Month May 2020 next General Elections
Feck The EU
joeysteele
11-07-2016, 01:26 PM
Good riddance to her she is totally false in my view.
However there should be no 'just a coronation' now,there should be an election,which the Conservatives would likely win easily,no way however should Theresa May just assume power as PM now.
Neither should she start any EU proceedings until she has an election too.
Andrea Leadsom full of talk, no action,totally useless.
_Tom_
11-07-2016, 01:50 PM
Theresa May needs to pull the lever on Article 50 ASAP - no more delays. The British people gave the government a very clear mandate - to leave the EU - that must take priority over an election.
reece(:
11-07-2016, 02:58 PM
Another Brexiter jumping ship, how sad!
_Tom_
11-07-2016, 03:10 PM
May will become PM on Wednesday.
Shaun
11-07-2016, 03:13 PM
Pretty indifferent about this since her evolved and more dangerous form now has an easy pass
joeysteele
11-07-2016, 03:37 PM
If Theresa May goes down the road of no election and then also excludes Parliamentary MPs a vote on the triggering of article 50, so much then for sovereignty and democracy as strongly argued for in the referendum.
Nothing in the referendum was asked of the voters as to when article 50 should be triggered, what deals should we aim for, or even if the UK should leave the EU now, or in the near future or far off future.
The only answer given was to remove our EU membership, nothing more than that.
That can mean and lead to many things,however since this was an all party campaign on both sides,then an election is vital before any 'concrete proceedings begin at all.
With the then new elected parliament of all MPs, as it was in the campaign, in place having a mandate from their visions of the UK out of the EU known and voted on by the electorate.
I am puzzled as to why the leave side wanted a referendum to ask the simple question but who are now not as eager, for the voters, to vote in a general election to express the views of what happened in the campaign, and to now give a further mandate for what deals and when all should be started.
UKIP featured heavily in the campaign, should they still only have one vote from one MP in parliament on this,or should the voters be given the chance to send more UKIP voices to parliament.
The Lib Dems want to remain in, they would campaign on that, put that to the test and see where they get to with that one.
The SNP want to leave the UK if we leave the EU, put that independence question to bed with a general election, if the SNP tally of seats fall, then that should close off that argument too.
However from the govt and the main opposition, the voters now should be given the chance to hear both visions of the UK out of the EU, before anything is started or article 50 is triggered.
No matter what govt is elected, majority Conservative, Labour or a coalition of 2 or even more parties, so be it.
The public have been asked if we should stop having membership of the EU, they should now be asked again, what Party's plan do they want and when to start the leaving proceedings too.
Nothing of which was included in or asked in the referendum.
So that can only be done in a general election.
Have we really, as was argued in the campaign, set out to take back democracy and sovereignty or is that only to be the case if it suits what side you were on and what govt is in power.
Again leaving parliament and people not consulted.
It would be, in my view, and should be an outrage if anything is done before going to the Country again..
Especially now with only a coronation of the new PM and not even a contest within even her own party, leaving said PM unelected and with no real authority to do anything morally or otherwise.
Shaun
11-07-2016, 03:38 PM
I'd imagine she would be cautious about the EU considering she was (thinly) Remain and every prominent Leave politician has spontaneously combusted in the last month. Literally every one. It's staggering really.
Cherie
11-07-2016, 03:54 PM
I'd imagine she would be cautious about the EU considering she was (thinly) Remain and every prominent Leave politician has spontaneously combusted in the last month. Literally every one. It's staggering really.
I love that image :joker:
Crimson Dynamo
11-07-2016, 04:04 PM
Another Brexiter jumping ship, how sad!
How?. Your metaphor is incorrect
Jack_
11-07-2016, 04:06 PM
Campaign to leave the EU to stop unelected officials controlling our democracy, quit leadership election to enable the succession of a PM who's been elected by no one :think:
rats and sinking ships come to mind
DemolitionRed
11-07-2016, 04:11 PM
Removed because its already been said.
Crimson Dynamo
11-07-2016, 04:12 PM
I'd imagine she would be cautious about the EU considering she was (thinly) Remain and every prominent Leave politician has spontaneously combusted in the last month. Literally every one. It's staggering really.
Shaun you iu and a few on here are getting confused - going for the Tory leadership is nothing to do with the brexit other than the resignation of the most prominent Remainer All the candidates all are still MPs and in the government. Only Farage has resigned and he is not an MP
The only member of the Government to resign is the highest profile Remainer
Mystic Mock
11-07-2016, 04:14 PM
Leadsom would have been a breath of fresh air for politics, with May it will be 4 more years of the same old BS. :bored:
Leadsom should've been careful with her comments towards Theresa May imo.
There's one thing playing the Mother card, but don't use it against someone that's impossible for them to give birth to a child.
Pete.
11-07-2016, 04:15 PM
Talent always wins
Mystic Mock
11-07-2016, 04:18 PM
Theresa May needs to pull the lever on Article 50 ASAP - no more delays. The British people gave the government a very clear mandate - to leave the EU - that must take priority over an election.
48% wanted to stay, that's not exactly as clear as you're saying it is.
Don't forget it's a big change for the country they need plans put in place to secure our finances before activating article 50.
And also if Scotland get another Referendum on leaving the UK that they're allowed to only have 52% of the vote and massively change the country on 48% that wanted to stay.
Crimson Dynamo
11-07-2016, 04:18 PM
Leadsom should have ballsed it out and stuck to what she said the spineless cow
Crimson Dynamo
11-07-2016, 04:27 PM
UKIP messaged me. Message below:
We’re going to have a Remain supporter Theresa May as Britain’s next Prime Minister.
The Tory establishment with its media friends in tow have managed to hound Brexiteer Andrea Leadsom out of the race, and we’re now looking at a Brexit fudge.
You only had to listen to the Home Secretary and next Prime Minister’s mealy mouthed statement on EU free movement this morning to realise what’s coming. She didn’t say she’d end it, she said she’d control it.
All this talk of “leave means leave” means almost nothing.
That’s why UKIP is needed now more than ever.
Cherie
11-07-2016, 04:53 PM
UKIP messaged me. Message below:
We’re going to have a Remain supporter Theresa May as Britain’s next Prime Minister.
The Tory establishment with its media friends in tow have managed to hound Brexiteer Andrea Leadsom out of the race, and we’re now looking at a Brexit fudge.
You only had to listen to the Home Secretary and next Prime Minister’s mealy mouthed statement on EU free movement this morning to realise what’s coming. She didn’t say she’d end it, she said she’d control it.
All this talk of “leave means leave” means almost nothing.
That’s why UKIP is needed now more than ever.
And people said UKIP were dead I expect Farage to reappear at some point :idc:
Cherie
11-07-2016, 04:53 PM
Shaun you iu and a few on here are getting confused - going for the Tory leadership is nothing to do with the brexit other than the resignation of the most prominent Remainer All the candidates all are still MPs and in the government. Only Farage has resigned and he is not an MP
The only member of the Government to resign is the highest profile Remainer
Boris bottled it didn't he?
Crimson Dynamo
11-07-2016, 04:53 PM
And people said UKIP were dead I expect Farage to reappear at some point :idc:
:fc:
smudgie
11-07-2016, 05:01 PM
Hopefully once she get some era feet under the table she will set the Brexit in motion.
She may not have won an actual election but she will be Prime Minister and as such should honour the referendum results.
Shaun
11-07-2016, 05:28 PM
Shaun you iu and a few on here are getting confused - going for the Tory leadership is nothing to do with the brexit other than the resignation of the most prominent Remainer All the candidates all are still MPs and in the government. Only Farage has resigned and he is not an MP
The only member of the Government to resign is the highest profile Remainer
It seems to have been the biggest hurdle block for every possible candidate, however? I admit a lot of it has been media nonsense and smear campaigns but as others have pointed out, the grey area between "we need to take our decisions back" and "I don't want to make the decisions actually... I'll stand down..." seems to be getting wider.
arista
11-07-2016, 06:12 PM
It seems to have been the biggest hurdle block for every possible candidate, however? I admit a lot of it has been media nonsense and smear campaigns but as others have pointed out, the grey area between "we need to take our decisions back" and "I don't want to make the decisions actually... I'll stand down..." seems to be getting wider.
EU Contract 50
Shaun ,
is Peace in our time,
Embrace it All.
arista
11-07-2016, 06:13 PM
Hopefully once she get some era feet under the table she will set the Brexit in motion.
She may not have won an actual election but she will be Prime Minister and as such should honour the referendum results.
Yes the Backers are most pleased.
arista
11-07-2016, 06:23 PM
The Markets are UP
No General Election is until 2020 Month May
Perfect Master Plan
Now Coppers - You behave now
There may be trouble ..... ahead.......
arista
11-07-2016, 06:25 PM
Campaign to leave the EU to stop unelected officials controlling our democracy, quit leadership election to enable the succession of a PM who's been elected by no one :think:
rats and sinking ships come to mind
Shop Ahoy.....Jock
She had no hope of winning, so why continue.It makes sense to me.
There hasn't been an election in the last 40 years any time a PM has resigned/moved aside, so there is no need for one now. The referendum vote was on the Conservative Manifesto on taking office, so there is no reason to hold an election just because we exited the EU, in my humble opinion of course.
Crimson Dynamo
11-07-2016, 07:36 PM
What a spineless lying hag she actually was
she could not even tell a shred of truth in her speech today
vile
jaxie
11-07-2016, 07:56 PM
Me personally? I will wait here, bent over with puckered arsehole, waiting sadly but patiently to be shafted by whoever it is that happens to be doing the shafting. It's the only sensible choice. Prep the sacrotuberous ligaments, lube up and relax.
I can't get that image out of my head now. Thanks.
arista
11-07-2016, 08:25 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/11/20/article-3684386-362B260500000578-94_968x576.jpg
reece(:
11-07-2016, 08:36 PM
May's statement
I am honoured and humbled to have been chosen by the Conservative party to become its leader.
I would like to pay tribute to the other candidates during the election campaign and I would like to pay tribute to Andrea Leadsom for the dignity that she has shown today.
I would also like to pay tribute to David Cameron for the leadership that he has shown our party and our country.
During this campaign my case has been based on three things. First, the need for strong, proven leadership to steer us through what will be difficult and uncertain economic and political times, the need, of course, to negotiate the best deal for Britain in leaving the EU, and to forge a new role for ourselves in the world. Brexit means Brexit, and we are going to make a success of it.
Second, we are going to unite our country and, third, we need a strong, new positive vision for the future of our country, a vision of a country that works not for the privileged few but that works for everyone one of us. Because we are going to give people more control over their lives. And that’s how, together, we will build a better Britain.
Braden
11-07-2016, 08:42 PM
Cameron stepped down and said that someone else needed to lead the country after the result of the EU referendum, and the person who we've ended up with is someone who wanted to remain :laugh:
joeysteele
11-07-2016, 09:14 PM
She had no hope of winning, so why continue.It makes sense to me.
There hasn't been an election in the last 40 years any time a PM has resigned/moved aside, so there is no need for one now. The referendum vote was on the Conservative Manifesto on taking office, so there is no reason to hold an election just because we exited the EU, in my humble opinion of course.
I get most of that however I thought it wrong that Brown stayed on after Blair and had no election until the last minute.
Mind you,he paid a big price for doing that as well as much went wrong and then voters were not impressed he didn't seek his own mandate.
Major had an election around 18 months from taking over from Thatcher.
Theresa May herself made strong criticism of Brown not going to the Country to get his own mandate, so it's rather hypocritical of her now to say she will not with much longer to run now too before the next election.
Also, we are now going to have to tear up 43 years of being connected closer to Europe,that has never been done before and calls for 'special circumstances', in my view.
The manifesto contained a pledge to hold a referendum, no more, not the actual taking us out of the EU if that was the vote result.
That is why I say there should be an election.
Just as all Parties fought the campaign, equally all parties should now have the opportunity,before anything is started,to present their plans for exit, and either have the voters increase their representation in parliament or reduce it.
The referendum was not an exercise just for the govt,all parties played their part and so,equally all parties should get the chance to play their part as to the plans for leaving, in accordance with the referendum result too.
Only a general election can give that.
Why this daft Leadsom woman ever stood in the first place is now beyond me if she was going to drop out at the first hurdle.
Thank all powers that be the UK didn't get her as a PM.
It was a smart decision to avoid the Tories becoming like the Labour party where one faction wins out without the support of the majority of the parliamentary party. May was easily the best placed to lead a stable government and unite the party. I think that Gove and Boris will both be pretty angry though - Gove at being eliminated by a candidate who then drops out and Boris because I suspect he could have become the main Brexit candidate in the end but he overestimated the support Gove would get.
I still think there's not the appetite for a general election in this country really when the situation is as uncertain and precarious enough as it is already. And Labour should be very careful what they wish for - Zoe Williams on C4 news today even admitted that she wouldn't want there to be an election because the opposition is in such a shambles they would probably come out of it worse off.
Also can we take a minute to appreciate this great moment
bprjHYY90lo
joeysteele
11-07-2016, 09:54 PM
It was a smart decision to avoid the Tories becoming like the Labour party where one faction wins out without the support of the majority of the parliamentary party. May was easily the best placed to lead a stable government and unite the party. I think that Gove and Boris will both be pretty angry though - Gove at being eliminated by a candidate who then drops out and Boris because I suspect he could have become the main Brexit candidate in the end but he overestimated the support Gove would get.
I still think there's not the appetite for a general election in this country really when the situation is as uncertain and precarious enough as it is already. And Labour should be very careful what they wish for - Zoe Williams on C4 news today even admitted that she wouldn't want there to be an election because the opposition is in such a shambles they would probably come out of it worse off.
I am Labour party member,I may even be a candidate one day for to be an MP.
I do not want an election because I think Labour would win, I want an election because I think it is right to have one, even if that sends the Conservatives back with a really big majority.
I feel before anything is started as to leaving the EU the voters now need to ,in the post referendum result, have their say as to who, which party/parties and what all other representation for all other parties are.
If this takes over 2 years to exit,then another 2/3 years to get all deals in place, we will be holding an election slap bang during that in 2020.
Far better now to hold an election in May next year with the local elections and then trigger off article 50,then get all done in the following 5 years with that full and new authority of a mandate.
smudgie
11-07-2016, 11:06 PM
Also can we take a minute to appreciate this great moment
bprjHYY90lo
Awww, was he humming to "tomorrow " ?
He has been a good PM for me, and honourable in standing down in the referendum defeat.
joeysteele
11-07-2016, 11:13 PM
Awww, was he humming to "tomorrow " ?
He has been a good PM for me, and honourable in standing down in the referendum defeat.
You know what, I really think he is sad that the UK voted to leave and rejected his arguments.
However, now realising the monumental task and time consuming drudgery of dismantling everything related to the EU,I think he is glad and relieved to be handing over that chaos to someone else.
I agreed with few of his policies but I did come to respect the man,particularly his stand on the EU issue.
I really wish him all the best for the future and am really looking forward to his last PMQs on Wednesday.
Tom4784
11-07-2016, 11:23 PM
It annoys me that a new election won't be called, the thought of a stand in PM being in power for almost a full term is shocking.
Jack_
11-07-2016, 11:32 PM
It annoys me that a new election won't be called, the thought of a stand in PM being in power for almost a full term is shocking.
You and me both but then Labour's not in any position to win an election right now so I'd rather weather the inevitable storm that's coming and wait until they've hopefully ****ed themselves over and the opposition have sorted themselves out
The anorak in me wants an election just because I love them but it's not a good idea cause it'll just extend her term by a year
arista
11-07-2016, 11:41 PM
It annoys me that a new election won't be called, the thought of a stand in PM being in power for almost a full term is shocking.
Do not be Silly
that would become a 2nd Referendum
Which Will Not Happen
Wise Dezzy
Sign of The Times
arista
11-07-2016, 11:43 PM
You and me both but then Labour's not in any position to win an election right now so I'd rather weather the inevitable storm that's coming and wait until they've hopefully ****ed themselves over and the opposition have sorted themselves out
The anorak in me wants an election just because I love them but it's not a good idea cause it'll just extend her term by a year
Which one
Real Labour
or
NewBlairLabour????
arista
11-07-2016, 11:45 PM
http://e3.365dm.com/16/07/536x302/7e9f888319e4aad45caaa5bbf8fd79f1d26c0ea8331d225f1e 6f7be0405f3837_3742348.jpg?20160711220943
Jack_
11-07-2016, 11:49 PM
Which one
Real Labour
or
NewBlairLabour????
Both, the idea that a Blairite candidate could suddenly swoop in and take the leadership and then ride to electoral victory later this year after the mess they've made of the party in the last few weeks is just absurd. Especially if it's Angela bloody Eagle, as if she's anymore electable than Jeremy Corbyn :rolleyes:
But then Jeremy's in no position to win an election right now either, the latest ICM poll puts the Tories eight points in front which would be a calamitous defeat. As I said in another thread, it is a movement and one that needs time to bed in and for policies to be developed and for messages to be created, nine months isn't nearly enough and this coup is just wasting time. Four years however is a long time in politics and if UKIP can win four million votes at a general election, and the Tories can acquire a majority government out of nowhere - then anything can happen.
Right now though? A general election would be a disaster for Labour
arista
11-07-2016, 11:51 PM
http://e3.365dm.com/16/07/536x302/8de574d6b64f767fa3b01c2b1815a23cbbd23420f2b0921af2 97da07f0cf1778_3742367.jpg?20160711224035
arista
11-07-2016, 11:55 PM
JC could Win
its all down to numbers
in the end.
If he stays Tomorrow (Up To Corrupt Lawyers)
he must start Re -Selection ( once Eagle Loses )
of the New Blair Labour Traitors.
Cherie
12-07-2016, 06:09 AM
A GE now would only serve to increase UKiPs presence in the House of Commons I'm afraid. Labour need the next four years to rebuild trust in their party, as it stands they would be annihilated
joeysteele
12-07-2016, 08:42 AM
A GE now would only serve to increase UKiPs presence in the House of Commons I'm afraid. Labour need the next four years to rebuild trust in their party, as it stands they would be annihilated
I don't mind that you see, I am a democrat and really believe the will of the people should be paramount, even though I massively disagree with the EU result and usually election results too.
However without UKIP, there would have been no referendum at all, neither major party would have ever risked one.
Now, with certain parts if leaving the EU to be debated in parliament,there will be only 1 solitary UKIP voice and indeed one vote only in parliament.
That has to be wrong to not test the water now as to who the voters want to negotiate the leaving of the EU.
Labour may well suffer,maybe not if the election was May next year, however I'd accept that to get the true mandate for this massive task.
UKIP would not really increase numbers considerably,they will need Labour down on about 26%, the Conservatives down to around 30% and themselves in the 20+%, to even get around just 15 seats.
They should however in my view be given the chance to have more than just one MP, that would be fair to allow, considering their efforts as to the EU vote.
I honestly cannot see where a general election now could cause any more chaos than is in place already, a 4 to 5 week campaign alongside the local elections in May next year, would cause little problems I would guess.
Get on with govt business now, stabilise the markets and then return to the EU issue in May next year with full and alternative plans for the UK out of the EU with the plan to trigger article 50 after that election.
What needs to be seen now by voters however, is those alternative plans for the UK out of the EU from all parties at Westminster, then the voters choose the one they prefer.
It should not be down to just this govt; and the fact it is only just over a year into govt, makes all the more reasoning for a further election.
As Jack_ says no way should a PM not expected to be there at this time, be able to govern with no new mandate of their own whatsoever other than 199 Conservative MPs only,for near a full term.
Wrong that is completely, it was with Brown and Labour and in my book two wrongs will never make a right.
Cherie
12-07-2016, 08:53 AM
I don't mind that you see, I am a democrat and really believe the will of the people should be paramount, even though I massively disagree with the EU result and usually election results too.
However without UKIP, there would have been no referendum at all, neither major party would have ever risked one.
Now, with certain parts if leaving the EU to be debated in parliament,there will be only 1 solitary UKIP voice and indeed one vote only in parliament.
That has to be wrong to not test the water now as to who the voters want to negotiate the leaving of the EU.
Labour may well suffer,maybe not if the election was May next year, however I'd accept that to get the true mandate for this massive task.
UKIP would not really increase numbers considerably,they will need Labour down on about 26%, the Conservatives down to around 30% and themselves in the 20+%, to even get around just 15 seats.
They should however in my view be given the chance to have more than just one MP, that would be fair to allow, considering their efforts as to the EU vote.
I honestly cannot see where a general election now could cause any more chaos than is in place already, a 4 to 5 week campaign alongside the local elections in May next year, would cause little problems I would guess.
Get on with govt business now, stabilise the markets and then return to the EU issue in May next year with full and alternative plans for the UK out of the EU with the plan to trigger article 50 after that election.
What needs to be seen now by voters however, is those alternative plans for the UK out of the EU from all parties at Westminster, then the voters choose the one they prefer.
It should not be down to just this govt; and the fact it is only just over a year into govt, makes all the more reasoning for a further election.
As Jack_ says no way should a PM not expected to be there at this time, be able to govern with no new mandate of their own whatsoever other than 199 Conservative MPs only,for near a full term.
Wrong that is completely, it was with Brown and Labour and in my book two wrongs will never make a right.
I agree with your sentiment, but there is no viable opposition though so we would go through a GE to reinstate a Tory government, I can't see any other result, if Labour hadn't blown themselves up and got behind Corbyn and concentrated on forcing a GE instead of shameful internal squabbling then maybe the public would have more stomach for it, we can argue all we like I don't think we are going to get one, it's hypocritical on behalf of the Tories yes but that comes as no surprise
joeysteele
12-07-2016, 09:05 AM
I agree with your sentiment, but there is no viable opposition though so we would go through a GE to reinstate a Tory government, I can't see any other result, if Labour hadn't blown themselves up and got behind Corbyn and concentrated on forcing a GE instead of shameful internal squabbling then maybe the public would have more stomach for it, we can argue all we like I don't think we are going to get one, it's hypocritical on behalf of the Tories yes but that comes as no surprise
I am not so sure, even the govt at present have little idea of the plans for outside the EU.
The result of the election is not an issue for me, it is the question now of authority from the voters for who to now oversee the leaving process.
This govt only had the authority to hold a referendum, no detail was in that referendum, they have not the authority for their plans,whatever they may come to be, as to taking us out and what goes in place now.
It should come as a surprise actually, as Conservative leaders post war have all held an election within 18 months of taking over the Premiership.
Never however, in my view,has it been more important now as to an issue, to seek the publics will now as to this issue.
No matter what that decision of the voters may end up being.
Crimson Dynamo
12-07-2016, 09:09 AM
I saw the labour lady on BBC news this morning
she said
"iv has success in PMQ's" ! (success??)
and
"I have spoken to many doorsteps and yada yada yada"
:facepalm:
Wizard.
12-07-2016, 10:26 AM
Margaret Thatcher is Theresa May. Both the initials are the same swapped around
Margaret Thatcher
Theresa May
_Tom_
13-07-2016, 06:44 AM
Don't get me wrong, I think it's terribly wrong for Theresa May to walk into No 10 unelected - it's an affront to democracy. We've just had the biggest democratic exercise in our history - but what would be the point in having a general election at the moment as all the other parties are in complete disarray.
I think we do need an election - but not now, with the pathetic state of all the political parties. The Tories would win by a landslide. And the danger is it will become a debate and another referendum on the EU.
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